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[–]InsaneRay[🍰] 210 points211 points  (52 children)

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Am I the only one thinking this spreadsheet could've stemmed from the all too common conversation where the husband complains about not enough sex and the wife states that it's his fault for not initiating enough?

[–]trapper33[S] 166 points167 points  (29 children)

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Or her saying "I do not turn you down that often!"

[–][deleted] 138 points139 points  (6 children)

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They should bring these things into math classes, since women love storyline-based mathematics problems.

Q: "If your husband asks for sex 15 times in two weeks and you agree to have sex with him twice, what percentage of sex did you consent to?"

Hamster: 100%?

[–]nomadicwilk 17 points18 points  (3 children)

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"MARITAL RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!"

[–]Draki1903 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Something something "See me after class and we'll work on that"

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (14 children)

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Translation: "I find it so repulsive to engage in gland to gland combat with you, that it gets burned into my memory when I do, and it seems like it's happening all the time."

[–]Evolved_Red 89 points90 points  (8 children)

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I live by the 'Brad Pitt' (or whoever a celebrity of your choice) principle:

Would she say the same shit to me if i were Brad Pitt?

Sweaty, feeling gross or whatever, she'd absolutely drop her daks if Brad Pitt were asking.

For us men, this is also translates as you did not create/maintain enough attraction for her to do (whatever you're asking.)

[–]Ragu35 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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This principle works for just about anything relationship wise too. I use the same philosophy

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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I wish this was higher. I've been saying this since high school!

[–]Panzer_Geist 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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That's a good one. I have a different twist on it but I do a similar thing in a situation that I don't know what to do in: "what would James Bond do?". That has been my go-to for several years. And By James Bond I mean the Sean Connery version of him. Untainted by cultural Marxism.

[–]HappyNacho 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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I actually like Daniel Craig Bond.

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 24 points25 points  (2 children)

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Like Archwinger said - "all you care about is sex!"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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And if you really think that's true, then you don't care what I care about, and that's kind of the point of marriage. Your bullshit becomes my bullshit, and my bullshit becomes your bullshit.

[–]JablesRadio 61 points62 points  (6 children)

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Even with the spreadsheet in front of her, she still seems to think that it's made up or exaggerated. In her mind, she is not that bad, even when the proof is right in front of her.

[–]galaxy_man33 34 points35 points  (5 children)

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This. Imagine trying to verbalize this to her, it would go in one ear and out the other. In her mind, she doesnt deny it "that often". Then BAM! he takes the time to chart it with specific responses to show her how bad it really has gotten. I think this has woken her up, but now that she realizes how little sex they have she will begin to rationalize that they aren't right for each other and begin the Alpha Cock search.

[–]JablesRadio 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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Alpha cock search aka. Irreconcilable differences.

[–]rockymountainoysters 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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aka. I'm not haaaaaaappy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 68 points69 points  (17 children)

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I had the same thought.

He sent her a spreadsheet because the number one response is to deflect and minimize: "oh come on, our sex life is fine."

With a spreadsheet, anal as it is , she cannot do that.

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    [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 31 points32 points  (7 children)

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    Exactly, brother.

    The comments in the original thread were calling the husband "immature, passive-aggressive," and all sorts of other shit.

    Nobody thought to ask the obvious question: "What the hell has been going on in your marriage, that your husband feels like his only option is to send you a spreadsheet?"

    [–]seethelight476 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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    It's her work email. Of course she's going to open it there!

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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    Well, it was concerning her wifely duties.

    [–]seethelight476 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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    Yeah she'll fuck him a couple times out of "duty" but do you think she'll enjoy it? No way.

    [–]galaxy_man33 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly, the last straw to break the camel's back.

    [–]uncle_glen 46 points47 points  (5 children)

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    Was there mention of anal on the spreadsheet? I'll have to go back and look at it again

    [–]MeRikeyBouncy 39 points40 points  (1 child)

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    Yeah, but it's complicated and uses pivot tables.

    [–]Bottled_Void 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    "I'm still a bit tender from yesterday"

    [–]brons104 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This is most likely the prime reason he did. They probably also got into a fight about it just before she went on the trip. I've had to make lists of the dumb shit my wife has said before so there is a record of accountability to be referenced. Bravo to this guy.

    [–]CUNTRY 160 points161 points  (34 children)

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    "Why is he doing this to me?" She says it without a hint of irony.

    She doesn't seem to care about what her husband has been going through. She seems more upset that someone called her out on her neglect. So not only does she not fuck her husband... she is allowed to get hurt and angry when he shows her that he is upset. Unfair.

    [–]QuietlyLearning 48 points49 points  (8 children)

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    Narcissistic women are especially devious about getting angry when you are upset, angry, not happy, not doing what they want. This sounds like she has some narcissistic tendencies.

    Growing up in a household with a single narcissist mother is terrible, I can't imagine getting married to one.

    [–]ChirpChirp169 15 points16 points  (2 children)

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    You just made me realize why my childhood with one single mother was so incredibly difficult.

    Thank you

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Check out /r/raisedbynarcissists. I think that could be the sub for you.

    Furthermore, I think anybody who grew up in a family with disfunction can benefit from reading there. It's somewhat therapeutic at least.

    [–]the_red_scimitar 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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    Narcissistic women are especially devious about getting angry when you are upset, angry, not happy, not doing what they want.

    This. I dated one extensively for 5 months. It's all astonishment and disbelief whenever they are called out for actual behavior issues - especially when it is hypocritical. I.e. her: "You can't do that thing!" Me: "But you do, all the time." -> Tears and end of conversation. Even when something absolutely objective and undeniable (and in fact, was not denied). Fed up with it = ending it with prejudice.

    [–]HedRotPiliCeppers 29 points30 points  (19 children)

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    She doesn't understand that sex is a biological need for men. To her its just a tool to get him to stop bothering her or get something she wants or needs.

    [–]199639 18 points19 points  (13 children)

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    Some men are celibate- I don't think it's a good path in life but strictly speaking it isn't a 'biological need', it's a very strong 'biological want'.

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      [–]SigmaMu 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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      Take it up with Maslow.

      I'm sure there's a lot of jerkin' going on.

      [–]variableLt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      She doesn't understand that sex is a biological need for men. To her its just a tool to get him to stop bothering her or get something she wants or needs.

      No you are wrong. She does. That is the reason she is holding it from him. To hurt him where he can be hurt the most.

      [–]ajswdf 30 points31 points  (0 children)

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      The spreadsheet is in the comments. You know that this has been going on a lot longer than 2 months though. Most people don't randomly start making spreadsheets of their sex life.

      [–]Hokuto199x 53 points54 points  (11 children)

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      I love how he just dropped that bomb on her and then just went to complete radio silence. Lol.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 37 points38 points  (2 children)

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      I did nearly the same thing but with a blast of verbal diarrhea rather than a spreadsheet. I had kept a sex denial journal that grew to over 100 pages long over several years. When I unplugged and had been lifting for several months, had read about 10 books, consumed Dalrock and Roissy, and Roosh and Rollo, and all the sidebar and went through MMSL, I then proceeded to ignore the consistent advice to be covert etc. and instead gave my wife a detailed letter containing my demands. It didn't work. Just as Athol Kay predicts in one of his books, you get 24-48 hours of compliance and then it is back the "normal." Negotiated compliance never works.

      What works is the dread. That is all you can do to revive an old, cold relationship. All we have to contribute these days is our commitment. Until you show yourself ready, willing and able to withdraw that commitment nothing will ever change.

      You cannot negotiate desire.

      However, if you put yourself into a high SMV state and take control of the relationship by making her understand you are leaving unless things change, you are then in a position to command desire. The very act of taking control, and telling her when and where you will have sex from now on triggers intense desire. The wife who knows she must submit to sex becomes much more sexually aroused. Feminists destroyed this critical part of marriage and men need to retake this at least.

      [–]199639 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Just as Athol Kay predicts in one of his books, you get 24-48 hours of compliance and then it is back the "normal." Negotiated compliance never works.

      I've never read that book but I am so impressed by the accuracy and consistency of the predictions. I have had the exact same experience with the exact same timeframes. AWALT.

      [–]subcover 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Having sex bonds a woman to you via the action of oxytocin. Over time if there's no sex it wears off a bit. One way to revive it is to manage to have sex. I don't care if you call it duty sex or whatever, it's an involuntary physical reaction. Duty sex is fine. It is her duty after all. It's sex. Your balls get drained and she gets bonded.

      A woman who wants to cheat may first try to go a while without sex, so that she will escape the bond within herself. This is I think what happened with my wife. She did all sorts of shit, excuses, etc.

      Eventually I got a bit more alpha in bed. You start in bed. You're at the point where all she can do is LMR.

      So yes you can command desire, the very act of commanding works in my experience. You can also rekindle desire via the physical act of sex. It doesn't have to be great sex, hot sex, just plain sex. Trigger that involuntary bonding, if you still want her.

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        [–]1iluminatiNYC 25 points26 points  (6 children)

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        Who says he isn't talking to lawyers? You have to play the long game with this, and if he's smart, he has all of his ducks in a row, ready for war.

        [–]Mrswhiskers 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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        I think he was probably just upset and stressed instead of trying to nuke the relationship. Most people want to try to save their relationship. Their communication skills are probably lacking and the guy was at his wits end with all the stress that she mentioned before. Moving is a HUGE stressful deal and when you're stressed with bad communication skills things like this end up happening. It sounds like he's finally got her attention, be it a bad way to do it. But I hope they do work things out.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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        My thinking is that stress reveals existing issues, not creates them. This was always there waiting to strike.

        [–]subcover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        It just puts facts on the table. She is obviously uncomfortable with that, which is all the more reason to do it, to try to get some change in her behavior.

        [–]subcover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Maybe he is. Lawyers generally suggest you accumulate documentation.

        Maybe he's in a state where it would matter to the terms of a divorce.

        At any rate this helps him generate dread, which he surely needs.

        Why does it upset her so much to see a historical summary of what actually happened? She doesn't dispute its correctness, just that he "needs to" be in touch with her right now.

        [–]trapper33[S] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

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        I'd like to know what frame of mind he was in when making/sending it. Lubed cock in hand, eyes shrink-wrapped in tears? Laughing at the absurdity of it all?

        [–]LeviGoldberg 31 points32 points  (0 children)

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        I'd imagine it was sheer bravado in the face of nuking your relationship. Something like this.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA#t=29

        [–]ChirpChirp169 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        How many times on the spreadsheet was she "dirty" or "full" or "watching" some show?

        Piggy

        [–]∞ Red Pill VisionaryRollo-Tomassi 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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        My advice to this guy, assuming this is legit: Eject.

        He probably already has, but he's got a fat wife wife that fucks him 3 times in 7 weeks? Any therapist would tell you that is clinically a sexless marriage.

        Nothing he does from this point forward, even dread, will engender genuine desire on her part. Even if she ups her frequency of fucking him after these 10 days as a result, she's only doing it because he's won her negotiations – not because she wants to.

        Yes, it's a stupid appeal to her reason, but it's also a graphic representation to himself of his wife's lack of real desire and her self-important prioritization of sex in her Frame. It's good he's experienced this now after just 2 years of marriage and there's not much equity for him to lose.

        Lawyer up.

        [–]DanG3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Her desperate efforts to 'make this work' (makeup sex) will be Epic! He should enjoy the ride THEN dump her.

        [–]Bandikoto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        They will be half-hearted, she will have her own spreadsheet, and she'll try to space things out again, using slightly different pretexts. Just go. These days, she may re-frame it as "rape".

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 333 points334 points  (116 children)

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        Alright, here's another perspective.

        He just sent her a volume 99 message that a sexless marriage isn't going to fly and is now dread gaming her with silence.

        Have fun on your trip honey and think about how important this marriage is to you - you fucking ice queen.

        Oh and BTW... Laundry and blow jobs are not interchangeable. I can do my own laundry.

        He has to follow through with the dread though. He shouldn't let her go the whole 10 days in silence, but should just say "We'll talk when you get back". Then when she gets back he needs to have the very serious "This is not what I signed up for" talk.

        If he just bitches out and just whines when she gets home this is definitely going to backfire on him big time.

        What he did was harsh, but he's fed up. At least give the guy credit for doing something other than just take the repeated rejections.

        I've know a couple of married buddies of mine that have had this conversation with their wives. One dude told his wife he didn't care if divorce put him living in a cardboard box, at least he'd have a chance to get laid. He was serious too. Divorce was definitely talked about. His wife went and talked to my wife about how much of an asshole he was and my wife told her Jesus Christ just fuck your husband. Lie on your back and do what you need to do. She went lingerie shopping and he started getting special treats. Woman was shocked at how well it worked and how happy the family is now. Marriage saved. Sometimes you have to be an asshole to save them from their own dipshittery.

        This kind thing has to be done early in a marriage when wifey starts to think its safe to shut down regular sexy time. That precedent needs to be firmly in place early on. You wait 15 years and then it takes on another whole dynamic. Dread game needs to be executed silently - a new diet - a gym membership - branching out into independent interests - all the hallmarks of a man readying himself to abandon ship. No anger. No yelling. Just a whistle and a plan. Stealth mode (but not too stealthy) is always waay more serious. Let her sweat it. Why should any man have to live like that? Constantly begging for sex from an ungrateful wife? Fuuuuuck that.

        Unfortunately as we all know solipsism is a thing and women will get lax sexually in a marriage if given their druthers (while fantasizing about more alpha cock).

        The best technique is to always keep your SMV high - be fit - have ambition - be charming and charismatic - so wifey knows you set the bar for yourself high and therefore have higher expectations overall. Why would she ever think a sexless marriage is going to fly?

        Obviously, if your SMV is high you'll always have options. Also, if you have a manly physique and great game overall she's going to want to keep fucking you because its fun. You win.

        That can be the honey you catch more flies with instead of having to use the sometimes necessary vinegar of dread.

        Of course you can never get married in the first place and avoid this fucking insane head game. That's a very valid option too.

        [–]jakethesnake76 25 points26 points  (11 children)

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        "We'll talk when you get back". Then when she gets back he needs to have the very serious "This is not what I signed up for" talk.

        Uhmm yes he just signed up for a house 5 months ago and then the sex and intimacy started to taper. She's got hers now what can he do to top buying a house?

        [–]theredpillager 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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        She's got hers now what can he do to top buying a house?

        Walk out of it without a word.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 8 points9 points  (9 children)

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        She likes being in that house doesn't she?

        [–]jakethesnake76 13 points14 points  (8 children)

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        Yes , but what you did for a woman yesterday doesn't count, she already owns the house in her mind and he is just there to keep it up and pay her bills.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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        Yeah, but the reality is - no kids - you split assets and move on if it's only 5 years and she works a full time professional job.

        Or you can say buy me out and have her refinance and you take half the equity and split - or she can do the same.

        Marital assets get split in divorces.

        [–]arhombus 97 points98 points  (23 children)

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        I can't help but agree with the crux of what you said.

        Why should any man have to live like that? Constantly begging for sex from an ungrateful wife? Fuuuuuck that.

        [–]colovick 40 points41 points  (22 children)

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        Stop it with your logic... Married women across the country are getting angry about having to sleep with their husbands again after years of dry nights... Do you really think men have the right to not be miserable? /s

        [–]TogiBear 41 points42 points  (21 children)

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        Men aren't entitled to sex from their wives! #YesAllWomen!

        [–]Abadoobie 23 points24 points  (16 children)

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        No, they aren't. One simply has to accept that a lack of a fulfilling sex life will end the relationship. So they gotta make the choice between sex they don't always want and losing their partner.

        [–]seethelight476 33 points34 points  (15 children)

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        You can't negotiate desire. Making spreadsheets doesn't make her want to fuck him more.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 34 points35 points  (10 children)

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        This is a critical point that I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to read.

        It's a given that this unfulfilled guy didn't just make a spreadsheet because he's pissy that he got rejected on June 1st out of the blue after a mostly regular sex life. This has been a long-standing issue in his marriage, and he finally decided to actually keep written track of it for whatever reason.

        But his problem isn't that his wife doesn't know how often she's denying him sex. His problem is that he's an unattractive loser that his wife doesn't respect. She doesn't want to fuck him, but if he pesters her for 60 days straight, she'll do it 2 or 3 times out of obligation. But making a written spreadsheet and sending it to his wife as proof of her failings is going to be perceived by her as the opposite: proof of his failings. She will see her husband's actions as pouty and whiny -- the same way hot girls at bars perceive the nice guys in fedoras who bitch about never getting anywhere with women. Making a fucking spreadsheet to attempt to persuade your wife to fuck you more using facts, logic, and proof that your sexual frequency falls below the national average is beta behavior. It's immature and whiny.

        You can't logic and reason your wife into wanting to fuck you. Facts are no substitute for actual attraction and respect.

        [–]1BaeCaughtMeJackinOff 59 points60 points  (8 children)

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        He should silently play dread game on her by hanging out with "buddies" for a nights out, play co-ed sports, and most importantly go cold turkey and stop asking her for sex. That will send her hamster spinning wondering whats going on.

        [–]100 Modbsutansalt 14 points15 points  (7 children)

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        and is now dread gaming her with silence.

        While I agree, I suspect this is by accident. If he was purposely using dread game I don't think he would have sent that spreadsheet and gone on the offensive the way he did.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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        You may be right... I think he just hit a whole new level of DGAF because he's ready to tell her he wants a divorce and doesn't want to do it over the phone.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Yeah he's fucking had it.

        Now the only question is does he have the stones to issue the ultimatum.

        [–]mctoasterson 32 points33 points  (16 children)

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        There is merit to this idea. I have gone through spells in married life not too different from what is being referenced here. I did "keep track" on a calendar for proof and it was bad times.

        However, I don't believe the correct solution is "confront wife with meticulously gathered data and graphs".

        The correct solution is to start working out, improve your diet, start going out alone and offer no explanation for your absence etc. Maybe casually work into dinner conversation how the intern at work or one of the moms at your kid's t-ball practice keeps flirting with you, etc.

        Make your dissatisfaction apparent, increase your own value, and then demonstrate subtly that other options are available to you. If you have done all three of these things your wife will be fucking you constantly. If she still isn't, your relationship probably has even bigger problems.

        [–]LFAB 34 points35 points  (1 child)

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        Guy's probably an engineer. Can't help but document and analyze.

        [–]galaxy_man33 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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        I'm an engineer and I agree 100%, its realllllly hard to not do these types of things.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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        This is the "never let them see you sweat" methodology and I completely agree its better to be measured and cool than to throw a shit fit.

        Its close to the preventative measures approach I was describing.

        However this dude has already dropped this bomb, and sometimes greater measures might be necessary.

        I'm not seeing the evidence that his situation needed a WMD style approach however, but it could work out for him if he maintains stoicism.

        I think we can both agree that wife in this situation wasn't really giving a shit about his happiness and doing the least amount of maintenance service as she could get away with. That shit sucks in any marriage.

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          [–]SigmaMu 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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          it's empirical, tangible 'evidence' of their behavior that can't be twisted around.

          Oh, nothing stops the hamster. Look no further than the OP, she strings together 5 different excuses.

          [–]theredpillager 16 points17 points  (5 children)

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          Maybe casually work into dinner conversation how the intern at work or one of the moms at your kid's t-ball practice keeps flirting with you, etc.

          That's some female shit test bullshit there. Do not do this.

          [–]mctoasterson 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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          Educate me. What is a better course of action. Serious question.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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          Talking about it makes you sound like you are bragplaining which is a female tactic.

          Just go about your shit. Your GF/Wife will see the other soccer mom's eyeballing you and get rightly jealous and territorial and start putting out more sex to keep you on lockdown.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          I love it when that happens!

          [–]theredpillager 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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          In your own words:

          The correct solution is to start working out, improve your diet, start going out alone and offer no explanation for your absence etc.

          You got it right the first time. This alone will do the trick.

          [–]daprospecta 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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          This. Patrice O'Neal said it best. We are all fishermen. You caught your wife/GF and she stayed on the boat. He goes on to say that your wife/gf has to continue to smell 'fish' on you so she will act right. Think of it like this, let's say you are going out on the town with your boys and you leave the house, if your wife thinks "I'd sleep with him if I didn't know him" then you are good. My wife always and I mean always tries to have sex with me before I go out. I think you can figure out why.

          One thing we as men have to do as well as keep up the appearance we had when we met our women. If you had a six pack when you met her then you should be working on getting an eight pack. If you were suave and debonair, you should be suave, debonair and charismatic now.

          [–]Lionstrong 37 points38 points  (31 children)

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          I never understood women getting married and not wanting sex. Isn't sex as pleasurable to them as it is to us?

          [–]captshady 58 points59 points  (1 child)

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          Many a man gets married with the intent of doing his best to make his new bride happy, for the rest of her life. Often, this causes them to lose frame, to become the "second in command" of the relationship, and for them to grow increasingly submissive to their wives. That causes a decrease in attraction, and less sex, which makes the husband try even harder, which decreases sex further, and so on.

          A marriage requires a mix of alpha/beta traits to keep it going.

          [–]widec 41 points42 points  (2 children)

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          Reminds me of an old joke. When a woman enters a marriage, she expects her husband to change and he doesn't. When a man enters a marriage, he expects his wife to stay the same and she doesn't.

          I do remember a post a few days ago where a woman said she was knowingly giving abundant sex to her fiancee to make him want to marry her, and then she pretty much cut him off after. That's really damn manipulative if you ask me.

          [–]HuddsMagruder 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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          The opposite of dread game. Bliss game?

          That old joke is only half a joke. I'd say it's why most marriages fail.

          [–]trias_e 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Doesn't seem like a joke at all to me sadly.

          [–]BluepillProfessor 78 points79 points  (14 children)

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          Interesting isn't it? PUA's and feminists both agree on that point except in 90% of the low sex marriages it is the woman withholding. Why can't we just admit the truth. Women go through PHASES of hypersexuality but most men experience hypersexual needs all the time. The sex drive's are not the same.

          [–]hermit087 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          I think of it as the female sex drive being more conditional, while the male sex drive is more indiscriminate. That's why it always seems ridiculous when people debate over which gender likes sex more, its just not a simple matter of one gender wanting it more and one wanting it less.

          [–]BRANE13 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          If I'll eat a burger anytime and you'll only eat it with cheese, I like burgers more than you

          [–]Kubomi 32 points33 points  (10 children)

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          Men obviously have much higher sex drives, anyone who doubts it needs to look up how many lifetime sexual partners gay men have, on average, compared to gay women.

          [–]woodycanuck 21 points22 points  (4 children)

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          You're confusing promiscuity and libido. I could have the highest sex drive in the world, and if I found the right partner, I might never need another.

          [–]1Starswarm 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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          Clearly they are related. Lesbian bed death is a thing, while I highly doubt that there are many male homosexual couples whose sex life devolves into nothing.

          [–]woodycanuck 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          I don't disagree with that, I just disagree that more partners = higher sex drive. The people I know with the higher "numbers" tend to just be bad at relationships.

          [–]tiftik 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          Women are only attracted to a minority of men.

          [–]robesta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          lmao imagine being a man that feels rewarded by a woman forcing herself to have boring, repulsive sex with you

          [–]MooMooMooN 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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          He is probably so sexually frustrated that her leaning over the couch while eating ice cream watching "The View" and texting her BFF he could just three pump chump a load into her.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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          That is not a happy place for a man to be in - Yikes.

          [–]MooMooMooN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          No it is not.. I feel for the guy, as I know many other husbands in the same position.

          [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

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          He's married, it's game over. She gets the house and half of his income forever. End of story.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 25 points26 points  (1 child)

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          No kids. Sell the house and start over. He's got leverage.

          [–]the_red_scimitar 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah. I have been there - married, no kids. Divorce did not destroy me at all.

          [–]1independentmale 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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          She gets the house and half of his income forever. End of story.

          Doesn't quite work like that. They don't have kids, for one, which will help him if it comes down to divorce.

          [–]iamdropc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Yes! This comment right here! Have an up vote! Digging the raw realistic optimism!

          [–]Algermas 28 points29 points  (21 children)

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          His follow-up dictates how I feel about this. If he stays with her it's passive-aggressive beta whining but if he's gone when she returns from her businesstrip it was a worthwhile RP truth-bomb.

          [–]the99percent1 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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          damn.. those RP bombs is wreck in her head. she can't work and stays in the hotel sulking.

          don't know if the guy is accidental RP or knows what he is doing..

          [–]trapper33[S] 7 points8 points  (17 children)

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          That seems awfully severe for 1.5 months of tepid sexlife. But then again, maybe it's been going on for a year and he only decided to document it recently.

          [–]evolve18 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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          Well...if it got to the point where he started keeping track on a spreadsheet, it's likely this has gone on for more then 1.5 months. And remember, we are only getting the wife's side of the story other than the spread sheet. She may have even doctored the spreadsheet a little to make it seem less like she is a bitch. In my opinion, the guy wouldn't start keeping a spreadsheet if this were not already a huge problem. He may have even tried to talk with her about it in the past and is now fucking done with her.

          [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 95 points96 points  (69 children)

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          [off] Am i the only one who is shock by this fact?: she worked out in the afternoon, and she went to sleep without showering? I'm a clean guy, and i wouldn't allow that bitch to get in the bed next to me, that's for sure!

          [–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (53 children)

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          You assume she worked out like we workout, where we get exhausted and sweaty, and NEED a shower or we gag at our own stench. Where it's so bad, people around us will happily offend us if it gets us to take a shower.

          Not the case.

          My girlfriend does a few minutes of bullshit cardio, and then half an hour of "Yoga" where she spends 10 minutes finding and setting up the yoga mat, and then lightly stretches. Doesn't even break a single bead of sweat, and is satisfied with her workout. I'm like "Babe, you aren't even sweating." She's like "But I'm le tired. It means I'm done."

          This seems to be the case for a shocking amount of women. They are done when they are slightly tired, sore, and running out of breath. We go past that shit and are done when finish our workout and feel like death.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 40 points41 points  (41 children)

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          In defense of yoga, that can be a legit workout if you do it right. Plus it's a good way to balance out the lifting if deployed properly.

          [–]chancethebanker 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          In defense of yoga, that can be a legit workout if you do it right. Plus it's a good way to balance out the lifting if deployed properly.

          I am pretty sure he's saying that his girlfriend (and implying the majority) don't do it right and are just doing yoga lightly as an excuse to go to the gym and say they worked out.

          [–]tjones123 19 points20 points  (22 children)

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          Ain't nobody that has been able to make it through 90 minutes of hot yoga without feeling some sort of work out. It might not be the same type of muscular soreness, but it is really great exercise, has some great meditative components.

          [–]icouldhavehaditall 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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          My ex once did 8 push-ups and told me to take her to the hospital because she 'pulled a muscle'. I did, (better safe than sorry) and she was completely fine. And now everyday at the gym I see guys doing 100 push-ups looking like they're about to die at the end but they don't stop till they're fucking done.

          [–]friestogo 21 points22 points  (2 children)

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          You took her to the hospital instead of laughing in her face? Why?

          [–]Snivellious 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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          Laughing in someone's face is easier with a doctor on your side. The cost/benefit of doing it the other way isn't great, because it's a problem forever if you were wrong. Saying "give it a day and see" would probably have been my reaction, though.

          [–]Unfiltered_Soul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Laughing at her face means no mushu later. Check.

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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          About 1/3 of the girls I see in the gym are wearing facial make up that's not at all messed up - it is gross, but fairly common I'd imagine

          [–]smokeybehr 22 points23 points  (1 child)

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          Girls: If you look as good leaving the gym without showering as you did entering the gym, you're probably doing it wrong.

          Guys: If she's not sweating, and is using the same machine next to the free weight area for 30 minutes, she's not there for a workout, she's fishing.

          Yes, I've seen both while doing my cardio on the "upper deck" at my gym. I don't shower at the gym, because I go after work. I shower when I get home so I can just lay around with a towel wrapped around me.

          [–]Sharra_Blackfire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          When women refuse to work out with me because I actually WORK OUT and not just sit around, I tell them "I go to the gym to look pretty LATER, not while I'm at the gym"

          [–]Snivellious 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          fibbonaci makes a good point: it's only gross if it's actually a workout. If it's watching TV on a low-resistance elliptical for 10 minutes, guys probably wouldn't shower either.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          Avoiding a shower was her way of avoiding sex with a "valid" excuse.

          [–]rotzooi 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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          Shocked? Not at all.

          It might be a European thing, but I really dislike smelling pine forests and lily-of-the-valley instead of woman. And I know I'm not the only one, I've regularly (over)heard my friends, "I'm going to be home in 2 hours (insinuating that there'll be action going on) - don't shower".

          People should smell like people. I don't get excited smelling Blue Ocean and certainly don't want to fuck a Summer Breeze.

          [–]MikeyCSGO 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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          Over the Internet you kind of assume everyone is like you and not old/gross hambeast.

          I watched one video where this dude was recording his gf talking about how she used him and I'm thinking "wtf who talks like this". Then the camera pulls up and it's an older ugly couple and all Ora sudden it made perfect sense lol.

          [–]trapper33[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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          I think I know the video you're talking about, some sewer-creature is telling her BF how she slept with like 10 guys through-out the course of their relationship, and the dude is secretly recording it from his car. Right?

          [–]Rudy_J_Peebs 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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          First, this has been going on A LOT longer than 1.5 months. These are the actions of a desperate man who is at the end of his rope. He's heard the "we have a good sex life, I DO NOT turn you down that often!" line one too many times, and now he's showing her quantifiable evidence that yes, their sex life fucking sucks.

          Imagine if 90% of the time she dressed up for a night out, he said "God you're hideous, you were so much hotter when you were younger". Her self-worth would wither away to nothing. Only being validated 10% of the time by your partner is unacceptable. I wouldn't doubt if the guys depressed.

          His only fault is the way he did it (email) - cowardly. Should've spoken to her in person. Still, owning up and logging your sexual failures ... many would rather stay ignorant/delusional to it rather than stare it in the face. I commend it.

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            [–]Bandikoto 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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            She's "gross" because she's been having an affair with someone at work.

            [–]Snivellious 37 points38 points  (6 children)

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            Woah, a conspiracy theory just hit me. He's way more aware than he's being given credit for here. The timing, the passive-aggressive nature of it, the silence, it's all to drive the hamster to an affair, and therefore produce an at-fault divorce. He's done, and handling it this way to ensure he gets out cleanly.

            Or not, but it's a fun thought.

            [–]Eifersuchtig2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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            This is actually a really good idea for him.

            [–]100 Modbsutansalt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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            I don't know. At the time she wrote that she was by the phone and I doubt she's in the mental state to be out trolling for strange.

            If he plays it right he could swing this into nuclear level dread game. I doubt it, but it's possible. Her reaction is most certainly that which results from strong dread though.

            [–]redpillshadow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            It is a hamster who wanted to have a 10 day fuck feast of alpha cock and now is angry that beta bucks is acting up.

            The plan for the "it just happened" affair was already in motion when the bomb dropped.

            [–]subcover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            It's the sound of a hamster that's devastated that it's mood for an affair has been ruined. That whole long trip and he ruined it for her.

            It's brilliant.

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              [–]insane_psycho 27 points28 points  (4 children)

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              Damn should not have bought that house together.

              [–]farbenwvnder 33 points34 points  (3 children)

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              They didn't have kids yet so he's got that going for him

              [–]Buchloe 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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              hard to have kids when you NEVER have sex

              [–]DrakeSaint 37 points38 points  (18 children)

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              This is arguably a Red Pill example if he ends up ditching her. And has potential to be hilarious if he decides to attach the spreadsheet on his divorce papers.

              [–]trapper33[S] 28 points29 points  (14 children)

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              I never considered him actually ditching her, to me it sounded more like the passive-aggressive tantrum of a sexless beta. But you may be right.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 27 points28 points  (5 children)

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              He's gone total silence on her. That's usually reserved for when you're making an exit.

              It's possible he's just being a beta bitch, but it seems to me he's drawing a line in the sand.

              [–]Enphuego 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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              That's the problem here - he can't find Alpha until his frustration level hits 100% and he says fuck it and destroys the relationship.

              [–]Boss_Monkey 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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              Its like the moment of clarity that a suicide jumper gets in the air.

              [–]tjones123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              I can't relate to this guys situation having never been married and no real intentions of it, but in relationships its been a pass/fail scenario. If the sex is bad, I end it immediately, and if there's no sex, I will generally have a pretty frank (and in person) discussion about my own high sex drive not matching up to theirs, best of luck, but they should go find an ideal partner.

              [–]mctoasterson 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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              If he is just throwing this spreadsheet at her without further incident, I agree.

              But let's suppose he levels with his wife and says, "We currently have sex once every three or four weeks. I need sex x times per week. I have other sources if you can't accommodate that."

              Seems like it would work to jumpstart dread.

              [–]pushajudas 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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              I wouldn't go so far as to called it RP at all. He spent his time logging all the times he was denied in order to throw it in her face in a passive-aggressive manner-- literally as she was leaving for ten days through an indirect manner (email). He's still blue as fuck, he's just hit his boiling point.

              [–]unethical_pirate 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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              This is gold, I got a laugh out of this one. 'our sex life has tapered in the last few months but isn't that allowed?' certainly not, what is this girl thinking. She's got fat and lazy as soon as they move in their new house. Can tell she's just been a pain in this guy's arse.

              Honestly I like how this guy has handled himself, he's obviously been a little bitch leading up to this point but dropping this as she's going on a 10 day business trip is a brilliant move. He's not talking, she's hamstering. Could be a complete 180. I hope he was out all week and had a good time.

              I want to know what was going through this guy's head for him to come up with a spreadsheet.

              [–]DanG3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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              "Isn't it allowed to 'Bait & Switch?" <--- This is not the hamster speaking, this is RP Truth. The institution of marriage and, now, divorce rape 'tells' women that it IS ok to bait and switch. IF the woman did not have these contrivances of civilization she would have to rely on what nature gave her to keep her Man around.

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              So what does this spreadsheet tell her?

              Hmm, maybe he's right, maybe I don't want to have sex with him.

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                [–]trapper33[S] 9 points10 points  (12 children)

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                Is that her true feelings though, or a convenient excuse? I mean, surely he'd take her into the shower and fuck her?

                [–]bobbybluepill 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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                Could be an excuse. I used to get that shit all the time in my last LTR and the girl was a solid 8 or 9 depending on who you asked. She knew it and would throw it in my face all the time if we fought ("I'm the hottest girl you've ever slept with" which is not true).

                The funny thing is, I had considered making a spreadsheet just like this one but ultimately decided not to because I knew she would have just laughed at me, lol.

                My guess is this guy fell into the common trap of allowing himself to get beta during his relationship. You attracted her because she thought you were alpha, but over several years her constant shit tests take their toll, you've failed enough and did a poor job leading the relationship... What happens? You become viewed as unattractive and start thinking like this guy. It's only a matter of time before she cheats, and it's probably his fault.

                [–]arhombus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                "I'm the hottest girl you've ever slept with."

                Answer: "You were the hottest bitch with whom I've ever slept. Now get out."

                [–]bobbybluepill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                That'd be nice if I didn't live with her for 3+ years at that point with both of our names on a lease and nowhere else to go.

                My response was, "Of all the girls I've slept with, you REALLY think you're the hottest?" Then, she'd FLIP THE FUCK OUT and I'd usually just withdraw at that point, say "whatever", and open my iPad ignoring her.

                The problem was she would relentlessly bring it back up, out of nowhere, days, weeks, or months later. If I didn't "admit" she was the prettiest girl I'd ever slept with (which I would do, semi-sarcastically), it would erupt into an insane fight. And she'd ALWAYS pull this shit in a car so I'd have nowhere to run. Wasn't I such a lucky guy? I'm sure she's going to make someone VERY HAPPY one day!

                [–]1kick6 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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                the parenthesis about her being sweaty and then not showering till the following morning lead on to believe that these were convenient excuses.

                It seems to me that this guy has realized that after buying and remodelling a house for a woman, she doesn't sexually desire him, and is actually doing something about it. Whether this is a beta play or the beginnings of an exit strategy, at least he won't end up posting in /r/deadbedrooms that he hasn't lied pipe in a decade. That counts for something.

                [–]Stormhammer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I'd go with the prior - I've been turned down at times for those exact same reasons.

                ... although for the feeling gross usually saying what does it matter, when we're done you're going to be all sweaty anyways.

                [–]the_red_scimitar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                Well, you note that nowhere does she so much as hint that she likes or ever wants to have sex with him. Nowhere.

                [–]juanqunt 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                "Didn't shower until next morning" "I feel gross"

                Take a shower, you dirty kunt LOL

                [–]galaxy_man33 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Just excuses and hamstering. Sex makes you super sweaty, why be nice and clean beforehand?

                [–]mercuryg 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                This woman has clearly lost almost all sexual attraction for him, and sleeps with him once every 6 - 7 days so she can hamster away the thoughts that tell her she's a bad wife. She has turned him into beta bux and will treat him as such.

                In a marriage where there's clearly a huge lack of tingles, she will see sex as an obligation, a liability, and she'll only do it enough but no more.

                Conclusion: If there's a lack of tingles, a woman simply won't have sex, it's just not happening, marriage or not. If there's a lack of tingles, negotiating and showing her spreadsheets won't do the trick either. If there's a lack of tingles, you must either get them back or get out.

                The modern woman simply will not have sex for any other reason than tingles, you're married? She's not your property you oppressive patriarch. You're a great father and provider? Not enough you misogynist. /s

                You cannot negotiate genuine desire - Rollo Tomassi

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                  [–]DanG3 16 points17 points  (2 children)

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                  Well, creating/presenting a SS or tracking calendar, per se, is a bad idea. BUT, the timing, delivery, circumstances, response/lack of response and MESSAGE is OUTSTANDING! "Yeah Baby, this is how it feels. And yeah, when you try to call me to talk and I don't respond, it's just like when you say "No" the second, third, ... times." If he had the notion to create a spreadsheet, you can bet there is a history of similar denials.

                  I'm beginning to conclude that some women conflate the whole "house and picket fence" thing coming together as "love." In fact, it seems that the better/smoother the domestic scene comes together, the less 'need' they feel for sex. For them, sex is - WAS - a part of that process as 'sanding is before painting.' In their minds you only need to sand again if you want to repaint. For guys sex is an every day, or couple of days, process of maintaining the finish. Some women don't get that. My wife didn't. It took some pretty dramatic "awareness activities" to finally get her to get it (and she still slips back sometimes). (I'll share upon request.)

                  [–]slideforlife 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                  "what am I supposed to do?" fuck him at the earliest opportunity, you dolt.

                  [–]moonsuga 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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                  this lady sounds like a land-whale. eats too much, feels gross all the time, and then doesnt even shower after the gym. dude needs to get divorced now before kids get brought in and find a hottie that will bang him all the time

                  [–]Wrong_Opinion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                  She only agreed during ovulation.

                  [–]MrRexels 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  Somebody get a in touch with this guy and send him a link to this place, he needs it badly. We make better spreadsheets.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  A woman can't donate 6-12 minutes a day to bring pleasure to the person most important to her future welfare? Let me tell you why this bothers you, because it's not that she's selfish. It's that on a daily basis she engages in hedonistic behavior contrary to her rational self-interest. She will let her relationship go to hell to avoid momentary discomfort.

                  [–]16 Endorsed Contributorbankruptedcasino 28 points29 points  (5 children)

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                  I'm beginning to think the only thing to do when confronted with a sexless marriage is to start having an affair. That and subtle dread game.

                  Think about it. If this guy was having an affair, he would suddenly stop asking for sex all the time. Her hamster would get curious. Then, when she jetted off for 10 days on a business trip and he went no-contact, the dread would really set in.

                  Even if he wasn't having an affair, she'd still think he was if he acted the same way (not asking for sex, no contact on her business trip), and the dread would still set in.

                  This guy needs to learn that girls only really comprehend what a man is saying through their primary methods of communication: subtle signals and passive aggression.

                  He should have shown his wife that he can get sex whenever he wants from someone else, but he chooses to get sex from her.

                  Instead, he told her that he was upset he wasn't fucking enough. Expect their "conversation" when she gets home to be all about how he hasn't helped out enough around the house, mixed with some more hamstering about how their lives are stressful.

                  4/10 would not recommend.

                  [–]JBiebers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  10/10 post, he probably just sent it to her out of anger and frustration without thinking about the consequences. Seems pretty beta to me.

                  [–]DanG3 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  I think this guy has done a great job of graphically illustrating what "Bait & Switch" looks like. The institution of marriage and, now, divorce rape 'tells' women that it IS ok to bait and switch. "Our sex life has tapered in the last few months but isn't that allowed?" IF the woman did not have these contrivances of civilization she would have to rely on what nature gave her to keep her Man around.

                  [–]Ratcliff01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  It also highlights a thing with marriage.

                  She says that "isn't sex suppose to taper off? That's normal right?"

                  Ugh, never getting married >_>

                  [–]Ojisan1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Hamster's closing comment: "What the hell am I supposed to do?"

                  Um... Let him stick it in? It's not rocket science, lady.

                  [–]lalicat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                  I've been married 5 years and this has never been a problem within our relationship. My wife, bless her heart, has on occasion just jumped on the couch, pulled down her pants, put her ass in the air and said 'make it quick'. Obviously I prefer an active partner who is into it but I won't turn down easy pussy and I think it makes a point that I'm still getting what I want regardless if you're in the mood or not. It's reinforcing the fact that I'm entitled to pussy on demand.

                  The only time I've been denied sex is after the birth of my children.

                  I can't wait to be called a rapist by some feminist. She has told me outright that she loves it when I get bossy and demand sex and she always gets into it after the first 2 minutes. She had passed out drinking once (this is very rare) and I was horny but decided against it. The next day I asked her once if she minded if I blew a load in her while she was passed out drunk because I was about to last night and she was like 'why didn't you?' and told me she doesn't care how I get my self off with her as long as I don't hurt her. I've thought about getting it in writing haha.

                  [–]1iluminatiNYC 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                  Reading the image, it's clear to me that she has issues with herself that she isn't being honest about. Moving in with someone can change the dynamic, and it's clear she feels more of a mommy than a sexual being. Kudos to dude calling her on her BS. Why should he remain married to someone who hates themselves. Eventually the hate is coming his way, and he is taking defensive actions.

                  [–]bonekeeper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  TL;DR - she's pretty gross.

                  [–]iceet 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                  This kind thing has to be done early in a marriage when wifey starts to think its safe to shut down regular sexy time. That precedent needs to be firmly in place early on. You wait 15 years and then it takes on another whole dynamic. Dread game needs to be executed silently - a new diet - a gym membership - branching out into independent interests - all the hallmarks of a man readying himself to abandon ship. No anger. No yelling. Just a whistle and a plan. Stealth mode (but not too stealthy) is always waay more serious. Let her sweat it. Why should any man have to live like that? Constantly begging for sex from an ungrateful wife? Fuuuuuck that.

                  The whole post is great, this paragraph is gold

                  [–]allcapsisyelling 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                  Happy ending: she (allegedly) cried herself to sleep.

                  [–]boydeer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  i like that she's supposed to be out working but she's an emotional wreck, and she wonders why her husband is doing this to her. haha.

                  in any case, as pointed out by /u/trudatness, it's only BP if he doesn't follow up right.

                  [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Also thought of something else - I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here or not.

                  They are both 26. They should still be having tons of sex.

                  If she's pulling this shit at 26 - I don't want to even think about 36 or 46 or 56.

                  [–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  When the sex tanks and you don't recover swiftly, your relationship is toast. You can't negotiate desire and if you've gotten to that point you've been fucking up hard for a long time.

                  Employ dread ASAP and don't fear pulling the trigger. That is: It isn't a dread bluff or game, it's real. You're going to get sex whether it's from her or not.

                  Better: Don't get married, so a woman can never hold it over you like that with impunity.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  All excuses are bullshit if a women is truly attracted to you she'll find any excuse to get you in bed.

                  [–]tsotha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  Our sex life has tapered in the last few months

                  The times in seven weeks isn't "tapering", and she's giving other clues that she's lost interest (like gaining weight).

                  They've only been together five years. If this is life without kids when the kids come this guy will be remember fondly to the time when he got sex three times in seven weeks. He should leave her before it gets complicated by children.

                  [–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  His marriage is going to end anyways, so might as well have an affair, and then start socking his money away. When she wonders why he doesn't pester her about sex anymore, she'll realize that her beta is slipping out of her hegemony, and will file divorce papers

                  Of course, at this point, he would've been prepared for it and would beginning to slowly rebuild his life and harem.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Example #2345251 of why you do not get married.

                  Also, this is what happens when you don't make women respect you.

                  [–]everfresh7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Why is he putting me through this? What the hell am I supposed to do?

                  That victim mentality shines like a lighthouse in a hamster storm.

                  [–]MockingDead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I think it's fantastic - if your plan is to never have sex and be shamed by her and her friends.

                  See, the problem is, revealing reality to her will only make her angry. Never forget, for women: feels > facts.

                  [–]SouthAfricanGiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I love the apparent dread she is experiencing... she waited by the phone. HAHA. This bitch is probably afraid that she is going to finally be getting some sex for the time she is not there. Love it.

                  [–]iamdropc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Sounds like me once upon a time, until you guys "showed me how deep the rabbit hole goes."

                  Beta bitch move, but beta can be used effectively in a marriage situation like this. This is a good time for him to take the pill and reinvent himself. Athol Kay's MAP would have this guy laughing all the way up his wife's or some other woman's ass, depending on which way it turns out.

                  [–]Mouthpiece 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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                  I was surprised and impressed by most of the comments. Yes, this was kind of a dick move to go silent on her, and it was clearly an act of desperation, but it was also obviously not the start of the conversation. He's clearly been trying to convey to her for some time that he was unhappy, to the point where he eventually started making a spreadsheet

                  I don't think day one of the spreadsheet was day one of the problem.

                  Here's one interesting thing I observed, though. She's the one hitting the gym and spending 10 days away on a business trip. What is he doing? Do you think he's hitting the gym? You think he's keeping his SMV up? Something tells me if he was, he would be having these problems.

                  Maybe he needs to start reading MMSL.