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[–]1redpillbanana 138 points139 points  (92 children)

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"Men with muscles are outdated/fat" - So idiotic. Since I built just a little bit of muscle my sex life has improved dramatically. Just when you start to build it, don't let some beta or dumb bitch tell you otherwise.

This is a really important point, and the reason why TRP advocates lifting so heavily.

I'm a geek so I'll bring in a D&D analogy. When you lift, you increase both your strength AND your charisma (and probably your constitution as well).

It's one of the few things you can do that will noticeably and immediately improve your social standing among both women and men, and the more jacked you are, the more it will improve. It really is like leveling in D&D - and your experience points will follow.

[–]1myTRPaccount 162 points163 points  (23 children)

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"Try this one trick that your DM's don't want you to know about."

[–]anonlymouse 41 points42 points  (35 children)

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And your dexterity. Everything physical goes up when you lift.

[–]1redpillbanana 15 points16 points  (33 children)

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Good point. I'm even willing to bet that it helps your intelligence. Then again, I've been known to invoke broscience from time to time.

I do know for a fact, though, that there are studies that show that creatine makes you smarter...

[–]1ThumpNuts 27 points28 points  (19 children)

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Studies show your intelligence does increase the more fit you are. That is a fact.

Fat makes you slower... physically and mentally.

[–]21kasvoinenmies 25 points26 points  (2 children)

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Ability to commit to improving yourself in one area correlates with ability to do so in other aspects of life too.

[–]Dtnapier 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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I loved your statement, but I had to try and make it better.

"Committing to improve yourself in one area correlates with ability to do so in other aspects of life too."

Simply having the ability isn't enough. You need commitment.

[–]Dtnapier 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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I think it's more like at least 30 minutes of cardio (not just lifting) a day directly improves brain function and intelligence. Either way the point is the same, and it's never too late to start. Source: My Neuroscience teacher in grad school told us this after every time he told his "I hate exercise" jokes.

[–]jolly--roger 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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citation needed.. got links?

[–]lilacblaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Look up a book called Spark by John Ratey

[–]1ThumpNuts 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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[–]NOT_MEEHAN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Studies show your intelligence does increase the more fit you are.

Your intelligence doesn't change because of weightlifting. However your ability to take an IQ test will increase if you're physically and mentally not drained.

[–]anonlymouse 7 points8 points  (10 children)

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I do know for a fact, though, that there are studies that show that creatine makes you smarter...

Awesome, one more reason to eat red meat!

[–]NOT_MEEHAN 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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Supplied by creatine distributors right? That's a lie, if that was true, creatine would be mandatory for school children. Just because you read it online, doesn't mean it's true.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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Supplements would never be mandatory for school children, even if proven to be beneficial.

[–]NOT_MEEHAN 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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That still doesn't change the facts.

I do know for a fact, though, that there are studies that show that creatine makes you smarter...

Can you show us one of these studies from a reputable source? Or are you just gonna down vote me and go away?

[–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I havent looked into how good the study is or anything, but here you go:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030813070944.htm

Summary: Research undertaken by scientists at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University in Australia has shown that taking creatine, a compound found in muscle tissue, as a dietary supplement can give a significant boost to both working memory and general intelligence.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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http://examine.com/supplements/Creatine/

Proven (but minor) benefits to mental function.

[–]NOT_MEEHAN 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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Minor benefits to mental function and "smarter" like you originally claimed are 2 different things.

You haven't proven anything. There are other things that will give you minor benefits to mental function besides creatine.

  • a good nights rest

  • meditation

  • exercise

  • a balanced diet

  • caffeine

  • etc.

You said smarter. Show me the study that says smarter. Sure people tend to do better on tests when they are physically active and not mentally drained but, those are the types that take creatine.

It may help you mentally be more alert or aware at best, but certainly your IQ level doesn't rise a bit

[–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Fair enough. I wasn't sure you were referring specifically to IQ.

[–]esco_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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"You said smarter. Show me the study that says smarter"

Intelligence is a notoriously vague and "un-nailed down" concept. IQ tests basically test a range of different areas of functioning which the test designers have deemed to be part of "intelligence".

We shouldnt let this debate go into exactly what is intelligence as it will never end.

[–]boscoist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I can only offer familial anectdotes, but my family feels and works drastically better when we get any amount of exercise. No exercise = stir crazy or depressed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I don't know about muscle making you smart, but the hormones that result from large quantities of adipose tissue have been directly tied to brain damage clustered around the areas associated with judgement and self control.

Fat people literally have self inflicted brain damage regarding their ability to control their dietary habits.

[–]Thurmut 11 points12 points  (13 children)

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And your intelligence. I think it was proven that regular exercise affects cognitive function positively. Seriously guys, just work out. At least run a bit if you don't have money for gym.

[–]dldallas 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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I know I feel mentally slow and tired when I don't get to the gym.

[–]fathak 8 points9 points  (10 children)

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swimming would be better on the joints, and gets rid of belly fat FAR faster than running.

[–]Thurmut 5 points6 points  (8 children)

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Oh definitely. I recommend swimming to anyone, it's one of the few sports which can be extremely intense or extremely relaxing, it's all up to the individual.

edit: Not sure about getting rid of fat faster. Not saying you're wrong, but can you bring a source?

[–]BCFtrip 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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It doesn't. Its all calories and A/B/B2 receptor distribution on your fat cells.

[–]g8m3 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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Google cold exposure fat loss. Water drains your body heat wicked fast. Thats why swimmers like Michael Phelps have to wolf down like 5,000 calories a day just to maintain their body weight.

[–]johnbranflake 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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Every top tier athlete eats that much because they train many hours every day

[–]g8m3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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No, actually they don't. (and by the way I looked it up and I was wrong, Phelps actually eats 12,000 calories a day) Some endurance athletes like marathon runners have to consume a lot of calories, but nowhere near that much. You'd think weight lifters would have to eat the most calories, because the entire point is to put on massive amounts of muscle, and they don't contend with weight-class restrictions, but even they only eat about half what Phelps has to eat just to stay lean and muscular.

[–]kruddthemessiah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Google Jack Kruse for a more extreme version of it

Enjoy the ice baths brother

[–]Thedaviddepablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Any physical activity which raises heart rate for an extended amount of time will reduce body fat

[–]1redpillbanana 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Excellent point - cardio has definitely been shown to help cognitive function.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I think the reason is they think you might be trying to become one of those giant swole ass affliction t-shirt wearing douchenozzles that bases their whole sense of self on how big they are.

But when they notice it being just a supplement to yourself, and when you start looking more filled out, toned up, with better posture and more confidence, it ignites those tingles everyone talks about. They like it, don't let them fool you.

[–]r_a_w_k 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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Stupid question, but how do I begin working out knowing literally nothing at all? I'm basically "skinnyfat" right now and I need to get in shape.

[–]1redpillbanana 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Pick up a copy of Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. There are many good beginner programs - Starting Strength is as good a place to start as any.

Then start reading some of the fitness subreddits.

[–]elevul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Props on SS. Best book on starting to train.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Buy the book "starting strength." Or use the wiki. You don't need to know the fine details beyond what a clean bulk is (IE: eating a lot but not eating a lot of junk food) and what the exercises, and the volume of repetitions is.

Next, find a gym that actually has a squat rack. Spend the money to get a personal trainer (we're assuming this is a professional gym rather than some box gym "LUG ALERT" gym) for a few days to get your form correct (form is important. If it's not saving yourself from having a trashed back 20 years from now, it's about not pulling a tendon today)

Then eat. Then lift.

[–]GhostRider22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I've lost 120lbs, and have started to since put on muscle, which has made keeping the weight off easier. a lot of people will tell you some crazy ass shit to do. I'd recommend starting with a simple "jailhouse" workout. Jumping jacks, push ups, sit ups, pull ups.

You'll notice huge improvements in probably just a week.

[–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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www.stronglifts.com - gives you the technical how to as well as motivation.

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    [–]Dishmayhem 24 points25 points  (5 children)

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    Soreness debuff: you lifted chest yesterday, -5 str. Lasts 48 hours.

    [–]1redpillbanana 13 points14 points  (4 children)

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    ...and if you do Crossfit and get Rhabdomyolysis, you lose a level - like getting hit by the Spectral Touch.

    [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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    Goodness y'all are a bunch of nerds ;)

    [–]anonlymouse 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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    Who else would you think would need the red pill?

    [–]evilassaultweapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Damn, hadn't thought of that until now. Always nice to know one's in good company. :-)

    [–]smile_e_face 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I remember the first time I told one of my players that he'd lost a level. The look of horror on that poor kid's face...

    [–]Adolf_ghandi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    I consider this stuff a lifehack for a reason

    [–]QQ_L2P 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Psssht. TRPers are all stat padders.

    [–]Jrix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    How do I start lifting man...

    I go, I do a set of 10, then I just sit there thinking "uhhhh ok now what" then play videogames.

    [–]HeadingRed 38 points39 points  (8 children)

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    This - "I'm so busy, life is hectic right now" - Barack Obama, he's busy. Putin, hes busy. Not some bitch or some beta who works 9-5.

    If I only had a dollar for every time I heard then and then heard 5 minutes later "Watched seasons 1-4 of Mad Men on Netflix this week"

    [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

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    Totally this. It pains me to recall just how daft I was, being told by a woman she was busy and had lots of family stuff on and didn't know when she would get out of work, only to find out she had plenty of free time for some other fella, a fella who dumped her not long after, a fella she told me all about whilst I sat there hoping she'd notice what a great guy I was etc. Urgh.

    [–]laere 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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    Next time a girl starts spilling her emotional shit onto you, either 1. get up and walk away or 2. tell her "I don't want to hear it, talk to your girl friends about this shit."

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Oh I do. Recently had a woman going on about her ex husband giving it lots of "you know what I mean?". I cut her off and said I'm really not interested. Made me wish I'd done that all those years ago.

    [–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    How about saying: "This sounds like Pillow talk, and I don't see a bed."

    [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    Even if she is not seeing someone else. Even if she is doing nothing- something is hard wired into many women that if they don't say "I'm so busy its been such a crazy day" they have somehow failed at life.

    I think its also a little bit of the victim card- only in this case they are victims of their own awesomeness. "I'm just so damn amazing doing such amazing stuff do to my awesomeness that I just don't have time for anything else"

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    It's the ultimate form of bragplaining.

    [–]ajswdf 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    I was wondering if I was the only one who found this weird. I truly am busy at the moment, since I work full time and go to school full time, but when school's over I'll have plenty of time. What the heck are people doing that makes then so busy?

    I think people just like to pretend they're busy. It's the same at work. Everybody says they're swamped with work, but they spend a ton of time making small talk.

    [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    It also lets them convince themselves of the following-

    1. I have a lot of friends

    2. I do a lot of awesome, entertaining and important things

    3. I don't have time to do this thing (which is important) becuase I have to do this thing (which is trivial). Like "I don't have time to study for certifications, I am so busy working on this hobby project which I will drop within 6 months"

    At the end of the day it's said to make themselves feel better and try to convince others that they are really in the game.

    [–]stevredpill 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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    "I'm looking for a relationship" - I am looking for a relationship, just not with you, you Beta Bux. I want to be with an Alpha Fux and change him to an Alpha Fux Bux.

    [–]neighborhood_man 61 points62 points  (25 children)

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    "I don't like players" - Bollocks they love them. All of them do.

    I came just to talk about this one. At least 5 times in the last few years a chick has said to me "I heard you were a player". In all five times I was fucking them within 45 minutes.

    [–]enticingasthatmaybe 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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    When one girl introduced me to another - "This is [Me], he's a womanizer."

    My internal demon grinned ear to ear.

    [–]TheKhajiit 32 points33 points  (10 children)

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    I wanna get to the point where women say that to me. One day soon.

    [–]sadshark 24 points25 points  (8 children)

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    Fake it 'till you make it. Be extremely sexual from the start. Talk about your sexual conquests. And always use "all" when talking about women.

    All women are crazy.

    All women are bad in the sack.

    All women are/do...

    This way you give the vibe that you've been with "all" women.

    [–]migukin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    All women are crazy.

    From experience, don't say this. This is just as much a red flag to girls as it is to guys, trust me. Most people are intelligent enough to make the connection that if you think everyone else is crazy, you're probably the crazy one.

    [–]herbinlegend 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    If I say

    'All women are bad in the sack',

    people won't conclude that I'm emotionally immature, that I'm unable to distinguish between women as individuals, and that I consistently have really bad sex. No, they'll believe that I have had sex with ALL WOMEN.

    [–]TheKhajiit 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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    This is by far my favorite subreddit. I havent contributed much since joining but I still feel like a part of the community. Thankyou for the tip.

    [–]sadshark 32 points33 points  (1 child)

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    I havent contributed much since joining

    This will probably sound harsh, but, don't contribute. There's already a lot of diluted content here anyways from guys that took the pill and all of a sudden they're a 'know-it-all'.

    Go out, fuck a girl, post a FR, get feedback.

    [–]TheKhajiit 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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    Ive been here long enough to understand the rules about contributions. Lurking is all I've really done.

    [–]Thurmut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Same thing happened to me. Only once and it took longer than 45 minutes, but the idea is the same.

    [–]Tom_The_Human 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    The only time anything like that has happened to me is when a random girl came up to me at a party and asked if it was true that I had a threesome. Unfortunately this was my pre Red Pill days and I did not convert.

    [–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    "Which threesome are you talking about? Don't give me that look. I'm just efficient with my time."

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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    What is the correct response to this?

    [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I'd just shrug, nod, and smile smugly. Then immediately change the subject.

    [–]neighborhood_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I always responded with "I don't comment on rumours, it's not worth my time" or something like that. I was still a bit blue pill then.

    [–]migukin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    As someone who gets this a lot (word gets around a lot where I live) I always say "well, what do you think?" and every single time I get something to the effect of "I don't care, not my business".

    If they straight up call you a player on the other hand, just shrug it off or make a joke about it - "What, all your friends recommended me?"

    [–]Vaguely_Reckless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    In all five times I was fucking them within 45 minutes.

    Exactly, because she was simply confirming that she was going to get some no-strings-attached action. Yup, sometimes women just want to get laid too....

    [–]Jswiizle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    This is confirmed, bout a week ago a girl kept asking how many other girls I was talking to and calling me a player... fucked her 30 minutes later

    [–]ericishere -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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    How would you respond? Personally I would agree and amplify, "yep pretty much fucked every girl on earth" with a shit eating grin

    [–]neighborhood_man 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    I just responded with "I don't listen to rumours"

    [–]analredemption12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I feel like the only bad response to this is to act upset or like you actually give a shit. I just say so what, or ask them why they're talking to me then. It's pretty much an insta-lay assuming you want to.

    [–]HolographicWhaleTail 19 points20 points  (12 children)

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    Number 3 is one of the dumbest things that I see constantly. I have no idea where people get the idea that they don't have to be attractive anymore after they get into a serious relationship.

    [–]anonlymouse 22 points23 points  (4 children)

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    Because it's "about the personality."

    [–]musicvita25[S] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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    And also about "being comfortable in yourself."

    Being comfortable in yourself in this era is apparently being fat or in PJS e.g;

    http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/uploaded/pic_giant_121813_Pajama-Boy-The-Obama-Machines-Id.jpg

    [–]HitlersCow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    Sigh...Interesting how my government sees me and people my age. It kind of explains a lot.

    [–]gprime312 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Hey man, pajama boy just wants to enjoy his hot chocolate. Why you gotta hate?

    [–]dhump 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    God I hate 98% of the population my age and younger (31).

    Just get off your ass and go earn your shit. Oh, sorry, you would have to be "mainstream" and get a job that didn't involve selling the latest locally grown organic fad food for minimum wage. Which would disallow you from bitching about the minimum wage.

    [–]Thurmut 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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    "So I'll work out regularly, take care of my hair and skin and maybe start taking advantage of my opportunities. Then I'll be attractive yay."

    fast-forward

    "I'm in love! Wonderful. Now I can just relax and stop doing all of that exhausting stuff. Maybe I'll eat that whole bucket of icecream tonight."

    "You're not the same anymore, I think we should break up."

    Wonder why.

    [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 15 points16 points  (2 children)

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    In fact, a lot of times, women will encourage this kind of behavior from their partner. Eg, I've seen a few instances where women say it's "kind of cute when her boyfriend gains some weight."

    It's like cutting your dog's leg off so it won't run away.

    [–]elevul 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    It's like cutting your dog's leg off so it won't run away.

    I think many males would be fine with it, if the women who did all this to lock them down actually stayed within the relationship, instead of bailing.

    [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Often times that's the problem. Women will diminish their previously alpha boyfriend/husband down into a chubby beta shlub whom they can lock down for long term commitment, but then find that after the betafication has occurred, the guy just isn't all that interesting anymore, and she leapfrogs on over to the next.

    [–]laere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Sad thing is a lot of guys these days fall in love instantly a girl gives them attention. Sad times we live in.

    [–]bonekeeper 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    If anything, maintaining attraction in a serious relationship is much harder than attracting her in the first place. You have to keep frame for months, years, instead of hours/days.

    [–]analredemption12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I don't stay in shape for anyone, much less a girl. I do it primarily for my own health and self-respect. Secondarily it gives you a leg up in just about any interaction involving other people (that aren't total fatasses at least, see /r/fatpeoplestories). I know at least a few guys that can pull hot girls and keep them around without being in shape. Lifting isn't the end-all be-all of being a physically attractive guy. It's the lifestyle that matters. If you have a shitty lifestyle, going to the gym is one of the cheapest, easiest ways to get motivated and change.

    [–]Kirkayak 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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    "Men with muscles are outdated/fat"

    Cardio and weight training are both beneficial to general health. Do not shirk. You ARE your body.

    "Follow your heart not your head"

    Compassion, while not necessarily wasted on ingrates, tends to have better results when invested in those also capable of compassion. Compassion towards a narcissist or sociopath often amounts to enabling their affliction/aberration.

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    | Compassion towards a narcissist or sociopath often amounts to enabling their affliction/aberration.

    (slowly applauding) Wow, that hit home! Thank you!

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    One that I see a lot. The whole nice guy thing. I can't tell you how well being an asshole works. A story.

    Was hanging with a girl while I was traveling europe. I'd bust her chops all the time and she just would get more and more affectionate (gave her a little affection here and there). Anyway, I told her to get me a drink at the bar, and after she said she didn't have any money, I told her to go get it off some chump. Anyway, five minutes later this guy buys her a gin and tonic (one of my favorites) and I take it from her and I tell her to come dance with me. She follows me out, the guy too, but after she is obviously dancing with me, he buzzs off.

    Three lessons

    -Being an asshole is ok, don't let your mom tell you otherwise

    -Girls love assertive men. I never asked her to do these things. I told her to

    -Never, ever, ever buy girls shit, especially drinks

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      Hopefully the guy learned that when I was drinking his €7 drink. Cheap lesson for him

      [–]redditredpill 29 points30 points  (19 children)

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      "I cant talk to girls in the club, I'm sort of seeing someone." - Just a simple lie betas say in order to avoid talking to any girls period. Cut ties.

      haha oh so true

      [–]HoneyIShrunkMyDick 28 points29 points  (18 children)

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      If you want to see male hamstering, just listen to a blue pilled man in a club. They will say almost anything to avoid having to approach a woman.

      • "I hate party girls / I don't do one night stands."
      • "It's better to seem aloof rather than try-hard." [cue not making any approaches all night]
      • "Let's just get drunk and see what happens." [hint: nothing happens]
      • "I'll talk to her later when it heats up a bit." [later it becomes a sausage fest and some other guy moves in]
      • "Let's check out the dance floor. That's where all the horny girls go." [cue sausage fest dance floor]
      • "I'm working on a much hotter girl right now." [texts her all night]
      • "They look like they're having an important conversation, I don't want to interrupt."
      • "That's probably her boyfriend there."
      • "There just isn't anyone hot enough in here."
      • "I'm just not feeling it tonight."

      [–]ImCheshire 17 points18 points  (13 children)

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      I hate clubs. This is a hell of a fire test and I failed it. I'll come back in one year.

      [–]anonlymouse 23 points24 points  (4 children)

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      Clubs aren't the only place to pick up chicks. If you're successful elsewhere, no reason to try clubs if you don't like them.

      [–]ImCheshire 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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      The danger I wanna avoid is using the same rationale for any other situation I feel uncomfortable.

      I read somewhere else that clubs are set up to make you spend money ans chase chicks while the loud music protect them from your verbal game.

      I'm 34 and the mechanics of pick up in night clubs nowadays are completely alien to me. I can't accept the fact I've been unable to function in there.

      [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      It only matters if the situation you feel uncomfortable in is necessary to get you what you want. There's enough of those that there's no reason to add to it unnecessarily.

      [–]ImCheshire 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      That makes sense. This is why I said I'll come back to that situation/test in one year. I have a lot of things to work on and raising my SMV is my top priority. Everything else feels like will fall into place in consequence.

      [–]bigrimsims 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      This is good. Focusing on yourself and having everything else 'fall into place in consequence' is the most effective thing you can do.

      [–]fathak 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      so don't go to clubs. go somewhere and have a good time. it shows; they pick up on it.

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        Start with someone who is 5 years older

        Lol, targeting 39 yo women in clubs! C'mon!!! Yea I get it, start slow. Risk and learn.

        Besides the staff, you will never see the same person twice.

        I live in a small city. What do you think is best, rotating venues or sticking to one and try to make guy friends to help with social proof?

        The most common question you'll get is, "Are you a pickup artist?"

        For this one I'll use agree and amplify. I love this, it always work for me.

        [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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        If you can learn to relax and have fun in a club - an environment made to make anyone not rich, famous, or female feel like dirt - you will be able to pickup anywhere.

        It's kinda like guys who make it big from the hood have 10x the frame of guys who make it big from a upper-middle class family.

        Once you learn how to enjoy and pick up in the club, you can graduate and move on, but until you do, I would recommend treating clubs like lifting and just doing it until you love it.

        [–]ImCheshire 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        Understood, but I'm not investing a lot of time into this right now. It's overwhelming the number of things a new TRP guy has to deal with. Day game seems to be more versatile and fruitful towards a balanced life, although all the young girls in slut mode I've seen in clubs are very tempting indeed.

        [–]thepillwastaken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Just go to bars. Clubs are fun and loud, and there are ways to game the system (buy bottles with some buddies for VIP- mass text women you know to come - boom you are surrounded with girls at your couch...if musically inclined, hone your craft and become a club DJ..) in your favor.

        But bars are a little more suited for conversation. It's easier to pick up there due to this for many. There are no real rules as to what route to go.

        [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Word. We all have our own paths to pussy, money, and such and such. If you do, however, want to take advantage of momentum (approach, approach, approach, OK I finally have stopped feeling self-conscious and nervous, approach, approach...) then clubs are the only place to do it. (Minus maybe a crowded street in a city known for having a lot of pretty women)

        [–]garlicextract 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        "Let's check out the dance floor. That's where all the horny girls go." [cue sausage fest dance floor]

        Could you elaborate on this one at all? This isn't the case at all, quite the opposite. BP Betas are usually the ones leaning against the wall at the back of the dancefloor, awkwardly staring at a chick or at their drink, without actually moving.

        I have never seen a beta suggest to start dancing. And on the flipside, good dancing ability is very attractive to women.

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        "Let's check out the dance floor. That's where all the horny girls go." [cue sausage fest dance floor]

        That's the internal voice of rationalization. Not that actually he's asking anyone to dance.

        Good dancing skills is one of the things more you do, more you show and gain confidence from it. Once you break the initial fear and start improving, receiving good feedback you get more motivated to improve and the circle goes on.

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        This. Its usually a bunch of fairly attractive girls in the middle of the dance floor and other guys who are just enjoying themselves dancing. Then there is literally a circle of guys on the outer edges just watching with their beedy eyes.

        [–]Endevour 17 points18 points  (16 children)

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        Absolute basic. This all plays into powertalk and it's implications. There was a stickied post a while ago, can't dig it up right now cause work.

        It's more important to learn why these things are false, instead of taking every single element by themselves, as they all spill from the same source; rationalization and what makes the female/beta mind tick.

        Also, I wouldn't go as far as calling these things lies. Women really believe those words as they leave her mouth, but when it really comes down to it, biology has the last word.

        [–]Thurmut 6 points7 points  (15 children)

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        This all plays into powertalk

        I think we need to have a discussion someday about what exactly powertalk means. Some guys take that to mean "raise your voice and shout commands" which strays away from the point.

        [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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        Read the sidebar. Powertalk is a mode of communication where the face value or veracity of the statement is irrelevant because it's the implication of the statement that matters.

        It is commonly used intentionally or naturally by most CEO / high-powered types who are accustomed to power (and somewhat sociopathic as a general rule of thumb). It is also used by women to hold power in social interactions even though they do not necessarily understand HOW what they are saying works.

        There are a LOT of people in TRP who have no idea WTF powertalk is or is not because... they couldn't make it through the fabulous 6 chapter blog (even though the dude breaks it down with Office characters in perhaps the most insightful, clear way I have ever seen).

        For example - You're my boss and you suspect a fellow colleague of mine is cheating on the job or stealing or doing something. You suspect I know, but you aren't sure.

        Straight-talk: "Drrr, we suspect X is cheating, we suspect you know, fess up.

        Posture-talk (Michael in Office): "So, in my days I was known as quite a sleuth, yup nothing gets past me. I smell fish from a mile away and I strike like a cat when I know something is up. Tell me what you know?"

        Posture talk is often an attempt to mimic the competent powertalk that losers see around them, but in doing so, they ultimately reveal their cards (which is here, that you the boss don't know shit and have no hard evidence, despite trying to "posture" like you did).

        Powertalk: "Drrr, a lot of employees have come forward about something fishy on with one of your colleagues. I won't bore you with the details of what we found, but we do want your 2c - a lot of people respect you in the office and if someone is draining our resources, it's up to leaders to come forward cut out the problem."

        In this case, you created the false illusion that A) lots of people are speaking up, so I probably should too since the truth is coming out B) you manipulated me by saying a leader would do X and implying that I am a leader in your mind. I will want to fulfill this expectation and I may even think there is a promotion in it for me (which there probably is not). BUT there's also implied threat and flexing of your muscles - you're not telling me what you know so I cannot predict how little I "have" to tell you to avoid getting in trouble too.

        It's powertalk, it's all bullshit, it's just about whether or not I am literate in your speak and can decode the seduction / power play happening. If I am literate, I can leverage the situation into something for me. If I am not, I blubber up the details, eager to win the bosses approval. My friend gets fired and I get blamed for ratting him out (power-players make you do the dirty work and then divorce you to deal with the fallout so they do not reek of this whole messiness.)

        Women do not usually use powertalk in such a devious way, they use it to shit test. They just want to know are you fluent in the language of the rich and powerful, are you fluent in woman-speak, etc. When a woman says "Eww, I never go home with guys I meet at clubs!" while she's just finished shaking her ass on your dick on the dancefloor, what she is saying is "Have you dealt with enough women to know exactly WTF this means and what to do in this situation WITHOUT me giving you the straight talk or baby talk (which is in the article, I didn't get into it here).

        When feminists say "there is no real concern about false rape" do they actually think 0% of rapes reported are false reports? That no guy ever has been falsely jailed? NO! They are saying it because it's powertalk, because it squashes one of the major legs of the MRA / anti-feminist platform that is growing popularity. They are not saying it doesn't happen, they are saying "it is not a concern". If you decode that, it boils down to "society should not care about men, they are not a concern, women are the only concern, and by women, we mean rich white women." The "1 in 4 women have been raped" is powertalk of genius construction - it is bullshit stats and everyone knows that, but it is a statement expertly constructed to feed into fear and paranoia, set women against men, create "sides", essentially market the image of women as victims to young impressionable women, so that they grow up thinking they need feminism.

        Check out the thread though, it might just be the most useful thing you ever get out of TRP.

        [–]mrninja1097 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        Powertalk is a ubiquitous feature of debate in public forum and Lincoln-Douglass. Using your feminist/false rape accusation example, opponents will posture themselves in a manner which diverts your attention towards rebuttal instead of furthering your argument.

        In this sense, you give your opponent the ability to maintain an offensive lead as you cover up defensively. This is where the disparity between those who speak the language and those who don't begins, not just in debate but with the same girl who doesn't take home guys from the club.

        The common beta male views this statement as a spurned advance and covers up through the act of retreating from the situation, he is incapable of understanding the female doublespeak and hypergamous behavior, it's a test of your value. Males on trp who understand this statements roots instead of as a blatant shit test will not resort to abundance mentality but instead understand the ability to counterpunch when being attacked instead of pulling guard.

        Great explanation bro.

        [–]Thurmut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Thank you for your reply, I've read it in entirety. I'll check out the side bar when I have time.

        [–]2emptyform 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Great explanation of powertalk and how it applies to game.

        [–]manwhy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        Read The Gervais Principle. It's long but well worth the read.

        [–]joncho 4 points5 points  (8 children)

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        Im new here but what I understand for powetalk is saying something that the ones "in the know" will understand in one way while the rest will take it literally.

        [–]manwhy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Read The Gervais Principle. It's long but well worth the read.

        [–]Thurmut 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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        What do you mean by that? Can you elaborate, perhaps I could help.

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          [–]manwhy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Read The Gervais Principle. It's long but well worth the read.

          [–]mrninja1097 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Most interesting read of the month

          [–]ohhaio 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          and they are laughing at you, not with you.

          [–]manwhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Read The Gervais Principle. It's long but well worth the read.

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Read the link on the side bar and read the full 5 chapters of the blog. All the responses I've seen in this thread so far are completely mistaking powertalk. Joncho is right, but what he is describing is just a shit test really - that isn't the full extent of what powertalk is and how its used.

          [–]Thurmut 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          "I don't like players"

          I had this exact thing said to me by a girl while we were riding the bus late at night.

          "I'm a player and I don't think I like you anymore, then."

          "Come on, I was kidding." I was pretty sure that was going to be her reaction, but still, if I said something like "players are gross/creepy" she wouldn't have argued.

          [–]bbidabbong 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          I fell for six few times. Nine is true, always.

          [–]1ThumpNuts 16 points17 points  (7 children)

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          Barrack Obama is busy... playing Golf and telling you to swallow the Blue Pill.

          [–]osheninja2 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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          Hey if I had his wife, I'd be trying to lower the competition for when I got out

          [–]RedPillJohnny 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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          Feminism has never found a bigger supporter than him.

          [–]1ThumpNuts 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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          Some people are blind to Politics and how it influences EVERYTHING. The BLUE pill is a literal PILLAR of a certain political party. But, most people cannot have a rational discussion about politics, they believe in it like a religion and therefore take great offense and immediately begin to lose their frame... kind of like the people who are exposed to TRP for the first time. They are in denial.

          [–]RedPillJohnny 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          You are absolutely correct ThumpNuts.

          Sex, politics and religion...despite the popular saying, are the only things we should be talking about.

          If we can't talk about these topics together, and with logic and reason, then all is lost. That is why I believe the Red Pill to be both a revolutionary and an activist philosophy/activity (the two must melded together...there is no Red Pill philosophy without action...only hamstering).

          [–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          I think most people view our two parties as a sports team. You support your team and fuck those rivals. Even if one of the players on your team happens to smash a opposite player in the nuts after a play is whistled dead "Oh well he deserved it for what happened X weeks ago..." But then someone from the other team lightly grazes one of your guys helmets in error "Oh my god throw that asshole out of the game!

          People I talk to seem to be totally unaware that you should support policies and ideas that you think are correct and not the assholes who spew them without question.

          [–]1ThumpNuts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

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          These are good but i've never heard someone say #1 in my life. Of course it's false.

          [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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          There was a post here in the past couple days about a woman hamstering exactly that.

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          If women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of commitment, isn't it good that I said no? Would you pursue a woman if she was part of an online forum that advised women not to have sex for the most part?

          [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I don't see how that follows. What I was saying is that there are women who will discourage men from getting fit.

          [–]53Pirate 7 points8 points  (7 children)

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          Number 3 is the main reason men cheat also.

          [–]redpillshadow 29 points30 points  (6 children)

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          The main reason men cheat is their women not wanting to fuck them anymore.

          [–]53Pirate 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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          Not necessarily true. A lot of men cheat because their wife has turned into a bitchy fat slob and they are totally unattracted to her anymore. Lots of bitchy fat slobs still duty-fuck their husbands .... but he's just not interested anymore (for obvious reasons.) But they can't leave her for some reason or other - usually kids and money. So they deal with it by trying to get some strange whenever they can.

          [–]select1on 23 points24 points  (1 child)

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          Yeah. I broke up with a ltr when I stopped being attracted to her she went from an 8 UK to a 14Uk over a number of years. Sex was forced and I always thought about other girls. I broke up with her soon after. Was the time where I started to rebuild myself after all the years of being trained to be a beta.

          [–]Evol533d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          This guy needs more upvotes

          [–]Fetish_Goth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Seems like a valid reason to me.

          [–]Thurmut 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          The main reason I cheated before is because I was really attracted by the prospect. That and some very intense parties. I know I'm a douchebag for doing this, I know.

          [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          It happens Brah, I cheated because the chick was way too hot for me not to make a move. I would have regretted it for years to come, luckily she let me fuck her for like a year. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

          [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Number 4, I've been a bitch ass beta in the past and waited around like a chump....Never again.

          [–]Talkshitgethit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I'd like to add a favorite of mine "I don't do X/Y/Z, I'm not that kind of girl!"

          What it really means?

          "I'm not going to do X/Y/Z/ because it would be degrading because you aren't Alpha enough/Chad/Your frame is weak/You're beta"

          [–]Movonnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          "I'm looking for a relationship" - I am looking for a beta buck to support me.

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          Had #4 recently, shut that down immediately. Wasn't interested in her poor excuses.

          [–]jimmAo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Agree with everything expect number 10.

          [–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Good list. I got #9'd the other day. You hit the nail on the head with just moving on to the next one.

          [–]Dreamtrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          "Follow your heart not your head"

          This is how I see it, the body is a carriage, the heart is the horse, the mind is the driver. Without the horse, the carriage and the driver aren't going anywhere they want to get to, but if the driver doesn't knows how to direct the horse, the horse will just drag the carriage through less tan favorable terrain. If you have a co-driver, you may take notice of their opinion, but you'll be damned if you let anyone tell you where you want to drive to.

          [–]Geocan001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I can verify #6. Chick looking for a relationship happily hooks up with me at a moment's notice. No talk of monogamy, not interested in what she's looking for.

          I just make her laugh and keep my frame.

          Can also verify #1. Since putting on muscles...Damn.

          I regularly employ #4 myself to keep women from getting too close. My pipeline is so full it creates other problems.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          1. "Yeah we can meet up maybe" - Means no. Abort. Forget about her.

          Lol, I have way more fun being like "cool", not inviting her, then sending her a pick that looks like a ton of fun afterwards. "Oh hey, I didn't have a chance to text you, it was fun.". Even better if there's a cute girl with me.

          Shit, you know what's nuts? Sometimes I do this to guys. You know the guys. "Oh hey man, yeah I'd love to, but...I got some other stuff going on...". The guy that seems to want to be pursued like a chick somehow. I barely have the energy to put into chicks - no way I'm chasing some dude for some platonic thing.

          [–]dof42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Can someone elaborate on number 9? Why is that something you need to avoid so much? Also I completely agree with number 3. Motivation to look good should come from yourself not a desire to impress others.

          [–]lazypengu1n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          great post, so cut and dry it made me laugh at some points. would appreciate if you could post more!