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[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 51 points52 points  (6 children)

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Don't worry too much about it. Lots of women have all their sexual fun in their early-mid 20s and by their late 20s are looking for a wallet and babies. She just has different priorities now.

Yeah and those priorities are making her husband into a chump.

[–]wakingslowdiver 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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yup and which priority do you want to be. The guy who gets to cum on her face and call her daddy or the guy who pays all her bills.... hmmm such a difficult choice.

[–]WithjusTapistol 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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Heh, you call women "daddy" when you cum on their faces?

Edit: I know it was a typo, just having a laugh.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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no, he meant literally phone her father to let him know what he's doing to his beloved daughter. It's level two super-genius golden dark triad strategy, haven't ventured much into it myself.

[–]TehFuggernaut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Why this should be an acceptable and placating answer, rather than something that opens his eyes and makes him absolutely furious - I'll never understand.

[–]bisexie 104 points105 points  (13 children)

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This was the top comment: "I wouldn't care about the promiscuity. But being an asshole is completely different, like what you described about the nerdy guys and trashing the players girlfriend. You married an asshole."

Girl fucked the entire football team, nobody bats an eye. Lead on nerdy guys for sex but not give them sex, everybody loses their minds.

As for the couple... it's hard to fathom that the girl was able to hide her super-biotchness over 3 years. I think flags have been waving all along, but the guy refuses to acknowledge them... until it came out of the girl's mouth explicitly. I piety the guy, but I've got no one else to blame but him.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (1 child)

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His last statement how he's scared to confront her.... You're scared to confront your wife?! He must be one helluva spineless pushover. She sounds like an awful person but it was his dumbass that married her. Guy needs to get a backbone.

[–]sundaybrunch11 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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If you can't confront your wife/gf, you're not the one wearing the pants

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 22 points23 points  (9 children)

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Lead on nerdy guys for sex but not give them sex, everybody loses their minds.

Not everyone, only people who have found themselves on the receiving end of this situation and therefore can empathize with the victims. Remember that most girls deny the existence of the friendzone, or at best say guys who have been led on should get over it.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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Kind of gives you a little bit of a new perspective on LMR, doesn't it?

Anyone still think it's rude to bounce a bitch out of your crib for shutting that shit down?

[–]solariant 12 points13 points  (5 children)

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The "friend zone" is just an excuse for "I don't fancy you" , anyone with half a brain knows that. It's an excuse both ways - the woman gets to act like "Oh, you're hot but we're fwends so we can't fuck", and the guy gets to think "Well, she does like me, but we're fwends so we don't fuck". The guy gets the benefit of validation by association with a hot female, and the girl gets the benefits a beta orbiter brings. Bottom line though, is she just doesn't find him attractive enough to fuck. That's the main reason I think the word "friendzone" should be eliminated from our vocabulary. It's just an excuse word.

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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The friendzone is more than that. There's a reason we advise guys to start being sexual/flirty right away with a girl, and if they haven't, it's better to move on to another. Women immediately categorize men into either sexually attractive or not, and once categorized, it's almost impossible to move from the latter to the former (but the other way is just a mistake away). Men don't do this kind of immediate categorization, that's why the concept of the "slutzone" isn't taking hold. Instead, they'll take more time to determine whether a girl is LTR material. But on both sides, people can attempt to lead on the other and selfishly extract benefits for themselves without reciprocating. And since according to almost every girl I know, it is the man's fault for being taken advantage of, I would have no problem misleading a girl into thinking I may have long terms plans with her, when I don't.

[–]MooMooMooN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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And the opposite: if a guy fucks a girl and leads her on about being in a relationship.. people lose their minds!!!!

[–]VegasHostTre 97 points98 points  (12 children)

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Aww c'mon guys those football players didn't count

[–]Dopebear 76 points77 points  (10 children)

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She was just finding out who she is!

This was all before she was even with her husband anyway!

etc

We've seen and heard it all before.

[–]Thzae 64 points65 points  (0 children)

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How could she have ever discovered herself if the entire football team didn't cum on her face?

[–]1spicy_fries 40 points41 points  (1 child)

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If I hadn't sucked all those cocks I wouldn't be the person I am today!

[–]lepies_pegao 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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hahah I tried really hard to imagine a girl saying, but I just can't. it requires a lot of hamstering to say something like this with a straight face

[–]theozoph 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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[–]HolographicWhaleTail 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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We've heard it all before, but I still don't understand it. How, exactly, does fucking men help you find out who you are? Unless you're trying to figure out whether you're a slut or not.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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The reason is because every woman's default operation in life is to judge the value of herself in comparison to others. And when they doubt that they're as good as someone in something that doesn't have to do with sex, they desperately seek validation in whatever form they can get so that they can continue feeling okay about being alive.

And most of the time these forms are beta-orbiters and sex from high value men. The latter of which directly confirms her sexual value while the former indirectly confirms it. The reason women need both is that in this desperate scrambling for self worth, getting pumped and dumped doesn't do any good-- in fact it only brings more crippling doubt. So having a doormat man-bitch that provides endless emotional validation closes the cycle and allows her to feel just good enough to jump back into it. And as we all know, she'll continue doing so until she hits the wall, at which point donning a veil of innocence is not only easy, but natural considering she's already been selling it to her beta-boys her whole life.

To answer your question directly then, when someone says they need to "find themselves" it usually amounts to connecting with your self-worth, potential, and purpose in life. Sadly, it is too alluring and easy option for the girls who are hot enough to fulfill these psychological needs with as many dicks as possible. It's no surprise then that they indeed haven't found themselves in this process, and that they are still so preoccupied with value and feeling validated that they become unhappy in the beta-marriages they thought they needed.

[–]brain_candy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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And, how do you not know who you are?!? Is introspection really that hard??

[–]myprimetime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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she might be interested to know if she prefers black/brown/white or yellow dick. Once she narrows it down, she then has to narrow down if she likes the bulky football linebacker dick or slim quarterback dick.

[–]Wiskie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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It's after-the-fact justification for wanting to sleep with high quality males which is an evolutionary drive.

[–]Dopamine37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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"To predict the future one must first study the past".

[–]NoLongerSisyphus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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They count, as 1, cause they are a team. Duh.

[–]TestosteroneFilled 116 points117 points  (7 children)

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Man that sub is fucking retarded. EVERY single thing of her past indicates her present and future, except sex or being whore. Are the people mentally challenged?

[–]1MajorMid 41 points42 points  (0 children)

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Yeah really. It's like people who are so "politically correct" like that are just so completely oblivious to what they are saying and how hypocritical they are. So scary.

[–]1johnnight 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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The people telling the manipulative lies are smart. The people believing them are retarded or just naive.

Maybe human intelligence evolved to better detect liars through logic.

[–]Menadian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Well then we have obviously de-evolved somewhat lately.

[–]kinggluejar 127 points128 points  (79 children)

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  • Remember folks, that this is what feminists want. You can't shame this sort of behavior. Women have feelings you know.

  • Another reason why you shouldn't get married. Imagine if you marry someone and then later find out they're a piece of shit. You can't just cut 'em loose. Marriage is the ultimate commitment and it's sadly no longer compatible with this selfish society we live in.

  • You can't turn a ho into a housewife.

  • Even if you could manage to excuse the past behavior, it doesn't change the fact that the bitch lied about it.

  • There is this massive censorship that goes on with the ugly truth about female sexuality. Kind of makes you wonder if the redpill mods are female with all that censorship. Just kidding. Male sexuality, on the other hand, is very open. We don't give a shit about how women judge us.

  • Addendum I love how all these people go on about slut shaming and then still lie about their past sexual encounters.

[–]Sovietkitten 44 points45 points  (11 children)

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[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 25 points26 points  (2 children)

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Snoop is Red Pill deep down in his soul.

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    [–]bisexie 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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    what did Kanye have to say about that?

    [–]clone9786 21 points22 points  (5 children)

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    Pretty sure this was before kimye.

    Also he did say he'd marry a prostitute or something like that so hey at least he followed through.

    [–]bisexie 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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    yea, this was before. Was just wondering what Kanye have to say now.

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      [–]RojoEscarlata 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Well he married the ho, didn't he?

      [–]Nydusurmainus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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      Reach up to the sky to the hoezone layer!

      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (36 children)

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      I have lots of things to teach my son, but a few things are:

      1) College is a rip off, learn that shit on the internet (assuming the internet is still a bastion of knowledge and free speech).

      2) Don't be some dipshit that leases a car.

      3) Don't get married.

      I'm still with his mom and was dumb enough to get married -- and things are actually really good for the time being -- but honestly, who knows how long we'll be together. I'm certainly not naive enough now to assume we'll be together forever. Feminism ruined women's loyalty to their husbands.

      [–]8kbps 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Better than 1), go to college in Europe

      [–]Histidine604 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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      I hope my doctors doesn't tell me "I had the best dad in the world, He told me I didn't need to go to college, I learned everything I know from the internet". There are very few fields where this would apply. For most professions college is actually better. Not just because you need a diploma for a lot of jobs now but the college experience overall makes it worth it. Listen to the episode of Freakonomics where they talk about the return on investment (ROI) of going to college, overall it's worth it and you should encourage your son to go (Unless he wants to go into a trade skill or something similar.)

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        [–]10J18R1A 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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        Going to caveat this a bit...isn't worth it "financially". Education isn't never a bad thing. Paying 40k + for said education is not wise, though.

        [–]ihavecandygetinmyvan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        State schools all the way. Bullshit small liberal arts colleges are a cancer and I don't feel bad at all for the idiots that go into 6 figure debt for their bachelors in Women's studies.

        [–]Soyala 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Unless we're talking a career in the straight up arts, and setting aside wether or not you could really learn as well via Internet, you're kid would have a had time getting a job in any field with no degree.

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          [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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          I'm not really worried about it. He'll have a strong male role model (me) which is a lot more than most of us had growing up.

          I mean my parents are still together, but my dad taught me jack shit about anything. Everything I know now is pretty much on my own accord.

          [–]www777com 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah, my dad suscribed to the philosophy that it's best if I learn on my own. So instead of having a "leg up" in life, I have to reinvent the wheel.

          [–]Starrucca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          If you think that way you haven't embraced your masculinity yet

          [–]bertstare10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          my 100k dual major degree is currently having a ROI of 0.

          I can't even get a minimum wage job working at a health shop in the mall, where I've been a loyal customer for 6 years and very into fitness.

          fuck this gay earth.

          [–]Clauderoughly 5 points6 points  (13 children)

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          2) Don't be some dipshit that leases a car.

          There are many good tax reasons in Australia for me to lease a car.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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          Maybe. I'm speaking about in the US where it's a terrible idea unless you're wealthy and want to drive new cars all the time.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Come on, college still opens up lots of opportunities if you go to the right one.

          Better to encourage your son to achieve through grades or athletics and get a scholarship that makes college not a ripoff.

          [–]ProductivityMonster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          agree with 1 unless you go to a Harvard or something. Leases are useful if you always need a reliable (re: new vs. old) car for work although you will pay more over time than outright buying. Still agree with 3 wholeheartedly.

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            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 155 points156 points  (33 children)

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            Seriously.

            Every. Single. Comment. On that sub prefaced itself with "promiscuity isn't bad, but..."

            Like you have to qualify that you're not a racist, sexist, homophobe, and so on any time you disapprove of anything. Now add slut shamer to that list.

            Note how the biggest issue those r/relationships losers focused on was being mean to nerdy guys. You know what caste most of them were back in college, and what role they play in their current relationships with (allegedly) reformed sluts.

            [–]neveragoodtime 83 points84 points  (24 children)

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            This explains why the rest of reddit hates this sub. Being a beta bux to a reformed slut is their plan A. Of course they don't want to hear what a bad idea that is.

            [–]1Gavlan_Wheel 20 points21 points  (23 children)

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            I was shocked by how many people on Reddit hate the Big Bang Theory, because they think it's just making fun of nerds.

            Then I remembered that nerds with social dysfunctions probably make up like 90% of the general subs. That show probably hits too close to home for most of them, especially since the characters on the show are clueless with women.

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              [–]MildlyFunnyUsername 27 points28 points  (5 children)

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              I like the phrase: 'community is a smart show about dumb people: bbt is a dumb show about smart people.'

              [–]Snivellious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              This is where Community and even moreso Archer shine - now and again, they'll make a joke that the vast majority of people won't get. BBT tosses out physics terms as part of easy jokes that don't actually require any knowledge or insight to understand.

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              Community isn't 'smart', it just plays more to liberal sensibilities. It is a much funnier show than BBT, but it isn't really that smart. It's what average people consider 'smart'.

              [–]MarkFuckerberg 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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              And because that wasn't bad enough for them, they started giving characters catch-phrases.

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                [–]topspeedj 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                I don't watch that show any more, Leonard is just too much of a whining pussy. And Penny just walks all over everyone and thinks she's right for doing it.

                [–]Idle_Redditing 9 points10 points  (6 children)

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                Is there such a thing as a truly reformed slut?

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                  [–]Idle_Redditing 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  That could do the trick. Hopefully make her disgusted with her past too.

                  [–]2elysius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  I don't think the female hamster can die that easily.

                  [–]NippinCheddar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                  Being a slut ("reformed" or not) is like being a drug addict. You may be clean for X amount of years, but you're still an addict. A slut will always be a slut.

                  [–]VelociReactor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  If she could be satisfied by one cock, she never would have become a slut in the first place.

                  [–]asimplescribe 58 points59 points  (15 children)

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                  It definitely still exists. Why do you think she said she was only with 3 people? Shaming them does not make it stop it just pushes the bad behavior into the shadows and they then get better at hiding and lying about it. We don't (and never will) live in a perfect world, so I would much rather have shitheads wearing their nasty behavior like a badge of honor to save time trying to figure out what type of person they are.

                  This dude needs to walk away. I'm not dumb enough to expect an honest number of partners from a woman, but that other stuff is way over the top. Her friends are going to be the catalyst to some real fucked up situations just like they were in the past.

                  [–]dave_is_not_here 15 points16 points  (14 children)

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                  so I would much rather have shitheads wearing their nasty behavior like a badge of honor to save time trying to figure out what type of person they are.

                  This is a compelling argument and I'm tempted to take on that mindset myself until I consider how many women decide to be promiscuous because society condones it. If our culture once again regarded female promiscuity as unacceptable how many young women, who are sluts today, would instead decide to be chaste?

                  Regardless, we live in culture were female promiscuity is not only condoned, but celebrated, packaged and sold to such an extent that many college aged women feel a need to "up their count" and those badges of honor are handy....

                  [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  They're going to anyway. We can't change the behaviour of women when they're with other guys.

                  [–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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                  What ever happened to shame? Participating in the whore Olympics should be a matter to be ashamed of, not to giggle about because "omg Jeremy had a huge cock."

                  Funny indeed. These idiot feminists cry about "patriarchal society" and "misogyny" while stuff like this happens regularly. These women don't look and act oppressed to me..

                  [–]1cover20 44 points45 points  (13 children)

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                  Men need to judge women harshly without fear.

                  Certainly agree with that. And women agree too. They respect a man who does it. They need it.

                  [–]A_Roasted_Peanut 17 points18 points  (10 children)

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                  What ever happened to shame? Participating in the whore Olympics should be a matter to be ashamed of, not to giggle about because "omg Jeremy had a huge cock."

                  It happened when feminism took over and brainwashed a generation of men into thinking they're not allowed to express any opinion on the matter.

                  Whores divorce more.

                  Is there a reputable source for this? It's not that I doubt this, so much that it would be useful in a discussion when people say "what's so bad about promiscuity?"

                  It would also be interesting to see any details on what's correlation vs causation.

                  [–]sway_usa 7 points8 points  (9 children)

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                  Google around, I don't have the link handy but yeah there is a study that correlates pre-marital partner count and divorce rate, and it's exactly like we think it is. Higher partner count correlates with higher divorce rate.

                  [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

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                  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract

                  Personally, why not just make it a preference. If you prefer women who have lower sexual partners, it's like preferring someone who is not religious. It's your own choice and no one can tell you what to prefer. You don't need to shame these women, just simply avoid them for LTR / marriage. If she's a slut and sees herself that way (shown by her choice to sleep around, not by her words) just agree with her, do your thing and leave.

                  [–]1iluminatiNYC 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                  Thank you for saying this. If you don't want a slut, don't fuck them. It's her right to be a slut, and your right not to want to commit to her. Let them live. :)

                  [–]sway_usa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  Don't get me wrong, I love sluts. I feel like we are in the middle of the real decline, so I'm getting as much enjoyment as I can before we become a 2nd or 3rd world country. I don't think it can be stopped, but I'm not throwing my hat into the ring to try and prop it up with a risky marriage to a slut.

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                  Agreed. Too much "shaming" involved. Especially since this is TRP... the entire idea is simply seeing the world as it is and behaving accordingly. Shaming and trying to get people to conform to your own idea is quite different... we aren't feminists, guys.

                  [–]MrMagwitch 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  .

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                  The general consensus is that by NOT shaming them and being totally cool with promiscuity, they tend to open up a bit more and be honest versus hiding it.

                  Otherwise, how do you avoid anyone who chooses to lie? Unless it is extremely obviously untrue, you can either accept what they say or just live in total paranoia.

                  [–]wakingslowdiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  you are completely right but I still wouldnt shame. Why, because it makes ME look bad. Besides why should I care if other people fuck up their life. You cant change society on your own.

                  [–]sniperhiding 42 points43 points  (4 children)

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                  Newbs. Don't miss the other takeaway from this. OP is a bitch. Listen to how he is too scared to confront his wife. He got what he deserved. Alpha fux /beta bux happens because betas let it happen. Just like assholes exist because women let them. If men consistently stood up to this shit, girls would realize being a whore is not a viable option.

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                    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 60 points61 points  (0 children)

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                    A woman who engages in that level of sexual manipulation and promiscuity is not going to be a woman who remains faithful (in any sense--sexually, emotionally, or putting him first before all else) over the long term. He might as well get the whole divorce matter out the way now, rather than wait until there are more assets and such at risk.

                    And her manipulation was not just of the nerdy guys, but also of him. She has already demonstrated she regards him as just another mark for the con.

                    He discovered he was not married to the woman she had presented herself as. So yeah, I would say divorce is a pretty reasonable and proper response to that.

                    [–]1AlienSunrise 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                    Since swallowing the pill I've basically lost all interest in being in a LTR. And it's mainly because the majority of girls that I fucked at parties were all cheating on their boyfriends with me. It's gonna take a a seriously good girl to get me to commit, if I ever do.

                    [–]psi_storm 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                    I wonder if the college retired his girlfriend's football jersey.

                    [–]A_Roasted_Peanut 28 points29 points  (4 children)

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                    Well, there are worse ways to find out you're married to a sociopathic woman. Who would want to be around someone like that, after having shown her true colours?

                    [–]MagicGainbow 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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                    Clearly not the guy, according to him close proximity is disgusting.

                    [–]A_Roasted_Peanut 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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                    I don't blame him. The level of sadistic cruelty shown in some of her past behaviour is astounding.

                    [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                    Now that's going a bit far. She didn't torture anyone.

                    As for the nerds they got naked in bed with, they were taking a risk. The guys had a choice to make, and maybe some of them got aggressive, and guess what, the girl couldn't even tell her friends because that would not go over well. By the time a girl is naked in bed with you, she's probably feeling it anyway. Some nerd are probably fairly good at kino.

                    What may have happened is they had to admit they went to bed with some nerd because they were seen with him, but they didn't want to admit the attraction to their friends, so they said this improbable story about getting naked and refusing sex. Communication among girls is largely group dynamics and posture talk. Don't assume it's all inside secrets they are keeping from you.

                    Women do not collaborate well, have you noticed that girls cannot even talk to their rivals even to tell them to back off, and if they try, the typical response from the rival is to laugh at her.

                    The guy should ask questions strategically and demand full disclosure, not quite letting her know exactly how much he knows and from what source. Given the ambiguity, she'll probably tell a lot of truth.

                    [–]A_Roasted_Peanut 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                    Being sadistic doesn't have to involve getting the thumbscrews out, it's just someone who gets off on causing or seeing pain/cruelty/humiliation. It's the latter two that apply here.

                    What may have happened is they had to admit they went to bed with some nerd because they were seen with him, but they didn't want to admit the attraction to their friends, so they said this improbable story about getting naked and refusing sex.

                    Sure, if we don't take it at face value there are some alternative possibilities, but even those speak about that person in unflattering ways. And frankly, from the account given, I don't buy any of those.

                    Assuming of course it isn't all a lie anyway. But that's very unlikely, given that 99.99268% of stuff on the internet is true, and making stuff up to get attention is extremely rare and almost unheard of.

                    [–]farbenwvnder 28 points29 points  (23 children)

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                    This is just great.

                    Be honest guys. Would you divorce? I know it's easier to say "I would divorce if I were him" than actually being in the situation but I honestly couldn't stand to stay with this woman, no matter how good our past together has been

                    [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 42 points43 points  (3 children)

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                    Not that I'd get married, but over a single year of marriage in late-20s? Yeah. Cut my losses and run if I was unhappy.

                    [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 23 points24 points  (2 children)

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                    Yeah, sorry I just found out you fucked your whole football team.

                    Here's the check the government is making me pay you - I'm out.

                    [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                    Here's the check the government is making me pay you

                    They'll have to split marital assets, sure. But they probably don't have much anyway.

                    I got divorced at his age, and it was no big deal - at least, not financially speaking. You lose a lot of friends because you're the bad guy, but that's about it.

                    [–]widec 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                    A real dick move would be to wait a few years until she's in her mid 30s, keep holding off kids, and then at the last minute be all like "Nah lol let's get a divorce". I'll be honest, I don't know what I'd do in the situation myself, but you can bet that I'll do my best in the future to screen out reformed sluts.

                    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 32 points33 points  (4 children)

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                    but I honestly couldn't stand to stay with this woman, no matter how good our past together has been

                    She already lied to him in order to con him into marrying her. So that past was built upon his misapprehension of who he married. Eventually she will treat him like any other mark. That is what people like her do. That is what she is.

                    [–]adamryanx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    Of course. And I'm sure deep down, after enough introspection, you would too. Men have self-respect and dignity. We have standards and any form of deceit from a woman is unacceptable. If you wouldn't spend $1 to buy a bottle of water that had 50 dicks in it, why would you all of a sudden spend the rest of your life with a woman whose had 50 dicks in her?

                    Remember: self-respect means being able to always walk away.

                    [–]sundaybrunch11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    I'd probably start working out, going out more... do steps to ready for a split.

                    [–]Paweler 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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                    Be honest guys. Would you divorce?

                    No. I wouldnt marry a non-virgin woman in the first place.

                    [–]adamryanx 15 points16 points  (7 children)

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                    Double-edged sword you're wielding there, my friend. The perks are obvious (inclination to be faithful, purity, etc) but that can backfire if you don't keep frame throughout the years. I remember reading a post here a while back where wife never rode the cock carousel, married husband when she was a virgin, husband lost frame, and she told him she wanted to "open" the marriage. Their marriage went to shit fast.

                    Virgins are ideal but just make sure you've made the commitment to yourself to always work on yourself and always be able to maintain alpha status.

                    [–]Thomas_Crapper 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                    She doesn't have to be a virgin to lose attraction because you lost frame. Every woman will do that. I would argue that the demise of nearly every marriage is attributed to that truth. Every other event that occurs is a symptom of that truth.

                    Women that rode the carousel rather than stayed rather chaste are more likely to pull this shit.

                    [–]adamryanx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    Agreed. My main point, at bottom, is that despite your LTR's sexual history, always make yourself your number one priority. It's imperative. If you do that, your relationships will fall into place and flourish.

                    I don't go after women who've rode the cock carousel but I've got buddies who wouldn't have it any other way (something about the appeal of a woman who knows what she's doing). These are really just minor differences of preference for us since what we can all agree on is the importance of frame.

                    [–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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                    Virgin and deeply religious solves your problem.

                    First, there is absolutely no other reason a woman can invoke to demand marriage from you other than she strongly believes in it. Then you test if it's true: is she practicing and did she remain a virgin until marriage? If not, she's not really serious about it and she can't just change her mind about these things. But if her faith is strong enough that she resisted sexual temptations before marriage, she's much more likely to keep her vows, less likely to think about things like "opening the marriage" down the line, and probably is ok with traditional gender roles, which make it a lot easier to keep your dominant frame.

                    The only danger is the low libido, frigid wife. But here, you got to go with your gut, and determine whether she is actually super horny for you but has a will of steel, or if the whole "no sex before marriage" thing was a walk in the park for her.

                    [–]adamryanx 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                    Agreed. Was getting to know a woman like that for a few weeks last year. She seemed like obvious LTR material right off the bat but determining her libido was hell at first. She was open to talking about it and told me she was a virgin struggling with her sexual urges and religious guilt, but I knew better than to just leave it at that. It wasn't until she invited me to her church and I eventually met her family that I could really get a feel for how true it was. Her church "family" all live as though everyone really is extended family. Kinda weird but it made my discovery more convincing.

                    I concluded it was probably the truth at her church's BBQ when I overheard her talking to her church girlfriends (all very religious like her but married). She said something along the lines of, "Is it true that it only hurts the first time you do it? What should I do when he's around me and all I wanna do is jump his bones?" and one of the girlfriends started talking about what to expect during the first time you have sex, and then advised her to never be alone with a man until she's married, and until that man she's alone with is her husband. She then went on some long diatribe about how important it is to pray and read the Bible and fellowship with her "sisters" when she feels "the temptations".

                    I had mixed feelings about the friends advice but it was nice knowing I had a woman who at least hadn't lied to me about her past. She told me she had watched porn once as a teenager, too, but said she cried and prayed to Jesus to forgive her for not remaining pure. Haha.

                    We didn't wind up in a LTR because I wanted to move. It all worked out for the best though. That religious guilt probably would've frustrated the shit out of me. I don't have a problem with people being religious but that kind of guilt just rubs me the wrong way. The idea that I'd be in bed with someone who thinks someone "up there" will always be watching her get plowed was too much for me.

                    [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    In other words....a unicorn.

                    Sacrifice to the Bot God.

                    [–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Then you test if it's true

                    and

                    determine whether she

                    Are the salient points. They're things that most men don't do. They're more than happy to take things at face value. If we can't turn blue pill men red, the very least we can do is teach our blue pill brethern (especially the religious ones) to vet the everloving shit out of any woman they plan on wife'ing.

                    I think we can do that without having to use red pill terminology, and it's better for us all.

                    [–]sway_usa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Don't know why you got down-voted. This seems very logical, assuming you can find such a creature.

                    [–]Germansausage23 38 points39 points  (0 children)

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                    I mean I'm not even sure what to say here. I think the guy should cut his losses, divorce her and move on with his life. She sounds vindictive and cruel at the least. I wouldn't want a woman like that in my life.

                    Let's hope this guy doesn't have kids with her. Also I think lying about sexual partners is a huge red flag. If someone is willing to lie about something that simple, what else are they going to lie about. This lady lied about everything it is truly disgusting. To make things worse is she used people to embarrass them sexually. That right there is messed up.

                    [–]NormanoSilurian 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                    I really really dont like what I heard. Im afraid that if I bring it up she will flip it on me for spying on their conversation

                    This tells me everything I need to know about his assertiveness. Fuck me.

                    [–]TheRealMewt 30 points31 points  (0 children)

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                    Sounds like this guy needs to get tested for STDs.

                    [–]12ToneRow 22 points23 points  (3 children)

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                    This is why you need to at least pretend you don't care about a girl's mileage. If she is comfortable enough with you, she'll probably give you some of the juicy details. Works for me every time. Girls like to brag about that stuff too, and then you can make a more accurate evaluation of LTR material.

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                    Yes but do NOT under any circumstance give her the reason for breaking up, or she will have learnt her lesson and the next guy is fucked.

                    [–]theozoph 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                    You don't want to get into an argument, for women love is a mysterious force that rules their destiny. Just use that same bullshit against them : "I just feel that we've been growing apart, the spark isn't there anymore. We were lucky to meet each other and share something deep for a while, but some loves last forever and some burn fast and bright. It hurts now, but this experience will make us stronger..."

                    Properly applied, you can string a girl along for years with this bullshit. Calibrate to your DT level.

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                    i am so thankful for RP. it has saved my godamn ass.

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                    Could be worse. There was a thread over there (now deleted) about a guy who's girfriend confessed that she paid her way through NYU by hooking. The number of people who said that it was in the past and she checked out as STD free therefore HE'S a bad guy was just so fucked up.

                    I guess sucking dick for tuition is more honourable then facing that big Education Debt.

                    [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    I'm gonna be honest, I'd do it.

                    [–]watersign 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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                    not surprised one bit. his wife sounds like a typical american woman..aka a filthy good for nothing whore

                    [–]HolographicWhaleTail 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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                    This is why I try to avoid women that have been to universities. Community college is cool, but universities are where a lot of women become whores. It's like they can't handle the freedom. Women in community college are still close to family and friends, so it seems like they're less likely to slut all out. Not all women in universities are whores, of course, but say you have a bowl of M&Ms. 10% of them are poisonous. Eat a handful of those M&Ms. Not all M&Ms are poison.

                    EDIT: Women also get all that feminist shit from universities. I've known women that were real cool and laid back in high school, women who prove the notion that men and women can't be friends wrong. But when they come home for the summer after being in college all year, they're like completely different people.

                    [–]zephyrprime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                    It's just girl psychology. Girls slut around not for sexual pleasure but to assuage their insecurities and to gain the social allegiances of men. Lacking socialogical security and men to depend on, a women is much more likely to slut around. When a girl goes to college, she loses her social network just as you mentioned. She loses her friends, she loses her dad and her brothers and her orbiters. She loses her high school boyfriend if she had one. In a situation like this, a girl will naturally be driven to become a slut. We're so stupid as a civilization that we're encouraging life choices that are destructive which is exactly what sending girls away from their entire social network is - destructive.

                    [–]through_a_ways 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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                    Some guy deleted his comment and I typed out a long response, so I'll just post it here as a free comment:

                    Original comment: No one is required to sleep with someone who has had multiple sexual partners. It's a personal choice, without a doubt and is typically a safe one.

                    I just never understood why chastising men for being promiscuous doesn't really get as much coverage as slut shaming (I'm aware men are ostracized for their sexual habits at times but society just seems to accept it more). Both men and women can get STD's, both men and women can lose themselves in promiscuous sexual habits. Why does this disparity exist? I would appreciate an honest, in depth explanation. Please and thank you.

                    Why does this disparity exist? I would appreciate an honest, in depth explanation. Please and thank you.

                    Because long long ago, before even Pangaea was formed, a single celled protist (link if you're interested) began to engage in differential gamete formation. This is the earliest known evidence of sexual reproduction.

                    What sexual reproduction boils down is an increase in variation. Variation helps populations survive. The first sexual reproduction was isogamous, meaning that there was only one gender.

                    However, since sex produces variation very easily, this led to certain individual organisms producing bigger and more nutrient dense gametes, and certain ones producing smaller and more nutrient sparse gametes.

                    So the superior big gametes would survive, right? Wrong. Because small gametes are so energy sparse, they can be produced in greater amounts. Starting to sound familiar yet? Individuals with these gametes did not go extinct, because while a big/big pairing would result in more resources available to the offspring, the small/big pairings were far more common, due to the abundance and motility of the smaller gametes.

                    Fast forward a billion years and the same exact principle applies to humans, other animals, and plants. Females invest more energy into reproduction. Milk comes from female cows. Eggs come from hens. Fruits, legumes, and grains come from female flowers. Civilization, and life itself, is built on the consumption of female-derived energy.

                    Mammals are a bit of an exaggerated case: Not only do females produce larger and fewer gametes, but they also produce energy-intensive milk. AND they have to gestate the fucking infant inside of them, rendering them vulnerable and less physically able.

                    Since female mammals put in so much more energy into reproduction, the laws of supply and demand dictate that males will want to fuck females far more than females will want to fuck males. This didn't evolve as a conscious decision, but rather the males who had a high sex drive fucked more, and bore more offspring, begetting more horny little fuckers into the male gender.

                    This is why the male sex drive is so much stronger than the female sex drive.

                    A theory about the female sex drive is as follows: Women were unable to procure external resources (though they were quite good at diverting consumed resources to the reproductive gametes). Men were able to do this (though they suck at using that energy for reproduction), and from a mathematical standpoint it makes sense that the more energy you put into reproduction, the less you have available for other tasks (building muscle, moving around, etc.)

                    People who are seen as socially dominant in societies tend to have more resources available. The theory goes that women "evolved" to pick out socially dominant men, rather than exclusively focus on physically attractive men. The phenomenon of women preferring social dominance in their mates is well documented.

                    Regardless of the validity of the female theory, the male theory is all that needs to hold to explain this differential. Men want sex more than women. That they want sex more is an innate trait of being male. Because of this, women get an endless supply of sex partners, and the female gender becomes a consumer's market, and the male gender a competitive industry.

                    While both genders can lose themselves in sex, it is far, far easier for a female to do so than a male, as her level of access to sex is generally greater by...I won't pretend to know the exact number, but it's a pretty fucking big amount. Just look up those online dating experiments.

                    Add to that that promiscuous women tend to have unstable marriages, divorce, and unhappiness.

                    Meanwhile, women actually prefer men who display that they are desirable to other women. ("Who's chasing whom" is a good study, there are several others) Since around 70-80% of divorces are initiated by women, it makes sense that a promiscuous woman is a bigger problem than a promiscuous man.

                    Basically, if you're gonna slut shame someone, do it to the people who have the access to, and the deleterious effects from, being a slut.

                    [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    I'm just enough of an asshole to really enjoy posts like this one.

                    Since female mammals put in so much more energy into reproduction, the laws of supply and demand dictate that males will want to fuck females far more than females will want to fuck males.

                    This leads to a prediction: find a species where the energy investment is about equal, and their behavior should be different. I can even think of such a species: penguins.

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                    That "emotional hurt" he feels is the truth punching him in the gut. The truth that he is actually a low value man.

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                      [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                      The only reason I suspect this may be made up is because the OP claims that the girls went as far as getting into bed naked with a beta to lead them on.

                      I'm not going to go so far as to call this fake, but yeah. In my experience, women recount their stories to friends using inside jokes and cants that would be very hard for an outsider to casually follow.

                      [–]DarkSayed 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                      "The past doesn't matter" as they claim, yet they go to great pains to hide it.

                      I feel bad for this guy, so glad I'm not married to a woman like that. Divorce is a real bitch, it's not something that you can do without great pain. He may just be stuck with her.

                      [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      He's lucky. He's young and only been married one year. They probably don't have a lot of assets yet and no kids.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey 24 points25 points  (3 children)

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                      Shame. This is the centerpiece. It is shame that keeps you from shitting in public. It's shame that makes people feel bad about being overweight. It's shame that used to keep women from indulging in their sexual, attention cravings.

                      There was a concentrated effort to remove all shame from women and it's worked. Women are 100% without limits to their self indulgences and childlike emotions and this is the result.

                      Women are nastier than 90% of men will ever realize. The problem is that 90% of men are finally realizing it. The veil is off. The facade is cracked and crumbled.

                      All women are whores if let be. Infinite orgasms has its price.

                      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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                      Women are nastier than 90% of men will ever realize. The problem is that 90% of men are finally realizing it. The veil is off. The facade is cracked and crumbled.

                      A shitload of divorce will do that.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                      The removal of shame will do that.

                      If women could put stripper on their resume most of them would do it.

                      [–]chewbaccaisaducksfan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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                      God, that fucking sub. All of the comments are people butt hurt about them leading guys on. "I wouldn't care about the promiscuity, but...(those poor nerdy guys)".etc You're not supposed to care about your wife getting miles and miles of football cock...but worry about those poor guys she didn't sleep with. Jesus Fuck. Edit-Hit submit to early.

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                      • letsgoflyers81: Past promiscuity itself doesn't really bother me. I'd be more upset about the mean things she's done, and the fond amusement she showed when they were recounting the stories. Many of us have done stupid and mean things when we were younger, but then we grow up and mature, and usually regret being an asshole. Either she was going with the flow to fit in with her old friends, or she looks back at those things fondly and doesn't see anything wrong with them. That's what I'd be worried about. You need to discuss it with her.

                      • CB2112: Right, because being mean is a lasting trait, but being a loose sex addict stops the minute she met OP.

                      • WAFC: Sex is the only past behavior that doesn't indicate future behavior to these people. It's a ridiculous belief and I wonder how long until the inevitable backlash comes, because you can proclaim whatever shit you want but the majority of guys do not want long term relationships with promiscuous women.

                      https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/frigidity-and-power/

                      The whole episode has been shocking for modern women, because while deep in their minds they always knew there was such a risk, they thought they had banished the risk by banishing the word used to describe it. ... Feminists have done an incredible job in temporarily removing words like slut and frigid from our lexicon, but they won’t be able to banish them for good because of the realities behind the terms. What we are seeing is the concept working its way back into our thought process, even though the word itself is still forbidden.

                      [–]seattleron 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                      First comment says not to worry about "promescuity," but being an "asshole" for trolling guys was the real problem.

                      WTF is wrong with this world?

                      [–]LineOfCoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      all women are whores by nature. this is how patriarchy came to exist. to get these whores under control so they could contribute something of value to society.

                      [–]Tuzantar 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                      I often wish I never came across this place.

                      Ignorance really is bliss, and stuff like this makes me angry, but also very sad.

                      [–]GC0W30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Your paying now to avoid paying later. If it helps, I had the same feelings... I guess a few months ago.

                      [–]fapuffin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      No argument with OP, but wondering if the linked post is a troll. It seems so deliciously evil.

                      [–]moosik85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      Id get a divorce under the guise of false advertising/ pretences etc.

                      [–]Ojisan1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      If you're eventually looking for a LTR, be EXTRA vigilant. Or just don't have a LTR.

                      Have an LTR if you want to, but don't marry. I think of marriage like a bad lease on a car, one that you can't get out of until death do you part. Buy a used car or a new car, either way, but pay cash for it and you can always walk away.

                      There's no marriage warranty on her lying about her past, but with an LTR you can always get a trade-in.

                      [–]TattedGuyser 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                      Depends where you are, but being in an LTR and living together is the same as being married here in Canada. Called common-law, it even allows her to cash in on alimony. Pretty fucked up.

                      [–]jambalaya113 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      Thought TRP would like this link:

                      http://www.lifeofatrophywife.com/

                      [–]1wakethfkupneo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      Apparently we should multiply with a factor bigger than 3.

                      [–]CornyHoosier 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      This is why you ALWAYS meet a person's friends (man or woman) before you invest and intertwine yourself with them. A lot of us, myself included, may have an asshole friend in particular ... but you can generally get a feel for someones attitude by seeing who all their friends are.

                      [–]PM_ME_YourPlate 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      people of US is this true ?

                      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_players_are_on_a_college_football_team

                      125 players on average football team? He might just married someone from a brothel as well. At least she would be honest with him.

                      Her vagina must be so loose now...

                      [–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      Let me add this which others have not already said - stuff like this isn't even uncommon. The naive fools over at the other subreddit don't seem to realize it but LOTS of college girls do this. Not a majority but maybe a quarter of them have done stuff like this. Do you know how much poon college athletes get? Probably 80% of girls lust after that athlete cock. This is the reality of the situation and unfortunately, the naive nerds over at /relationships don't understand the true nature of women's sexuality.

                      [–]wiseprogressivethink 5 points6 points  (5 children)

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                      He should breed her like a pig and then leave the country.

                      [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                      I do like the idea of popping some buns in her oven. Put her to good use.

                      [–]u_fukn_wot_m8_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                      I did that about six hundred times when I was in China

                      [–]MajorStyles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      Shame these sloots with pride. Apologize to nobody.

                      [–]1ConstableCockBlock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                      How is "but that was all in the past" a valid excuse in any situation. Seriously, even if the subject weren't "slut-shaming", that is the most bullshit claim ever.

                      "Yeah I used to suck dick for heroin a year ago, but that's all in the past and you have no right to treat me like some drugged-out prostitute who sucks dick for heroin!" What the fuck? Like that changes the situation somehow? I can't punch a dude in the face, and see him a year later and be like "Oh it's cool man, I've changed now so why are you mad?"

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      from the way he writes, it seems he's in for a world of pain as she destroys him and moves on.

                      it's a sad thing to see someone so "afraid".

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      "All my friends don't count it so I shouldn't either!" Rationalization complete.

                      [–]Acx3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                      I found this line to be the most disturbing portion of the message, 'They would target nerdy/inexperienced guys and got off on rejecting them.' Anyone care to elaborate on this predatory behavior or share some stories relating to it?

                      [–]1wall-of-meth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Boosting their self-esteem. It apparently is low enough that it needs to be boosted by rejecting nerds. Huge red flag.

                      [–]jamesez501 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                      By reading this thread my faith in there ever being an intelligent, genuine, rational, faithful woman who'd equally contribute to our relationship in every way (that I also would) is now 100% dead. Fuck man. Why can't it be like the 20's or something when people were real. Fuck the liberal agenda influencing all of our lives and all the fucking idiots who blindly accept the status quo.I t's sickening. HOW do you have a kid if they're all like this? Damn. Where dem good girlz at breh?!

                      [–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      During the 20's, the condom was invented and women were loosening up. "Heavy petting" was invented as a term although it is now obsolete because the phenomenon is trivially chaste compared to what we do nowadays. Also, becoming a whore at college was just invented too because colleges had just begun begun being coed.

                      My point is, this shit's been going on for a long time man. Women's true nature is right beneath the surface. As soon as society let's it, it comes out. This is why that shit needs to be officially policed. We cannot rely upon mere social conventions to keep that destructive stuff in check.

                      [–]ProfessorD2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                      Sounds like a bullshit "Dear Penthouse" wannabe-cuckold fantasy.

                      [–]1niczar 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                      It's hard to distinguish reality from fiction, since we have only have one point of reference, i.e. what OP posted.

                      What I find more interesting isn't whether OP's story is true or not. After all even if it's true it's only one anecdote and there's all kinds of people, and furthermore people are not going to post in /r/relationships if their experience is boring and uneventful.

                      No, what's really interesting is how so many commenters react, defending the undefensible.

                      [–]ProfessorD2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Good point. There may be lessons to learn even if OP is full of it.

                      [–]Wheat-Thins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      Not that things like this dont really happen, but that post has to be trolling. The teasing nerds part makes it hit all the possible buttons to make sure every part of reddit is infuriated by it.

                      [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      Or just don't have a LTR.

                      I have to disagree with this. LTRs can be very fulfilling and without marriage, they maintain man's walking away power.

                      Plates are fine for a time and for practice, but they tend to fulfill physical urges and less emotional ones. After a while, most people will be craving something more.

                      [–]Yoda7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      If shes not living on a farm 1000 miles from the closest male, in a convent, under 12 YO, or hideous, shes been with more than 6 guys. Minimum. And more like double that. Who believes those stories?

                      [–]GC0W30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      This wouldn't surprise my ass for a fucking second if I learned it about ANY attractive woman who had been to college. AWALT, so not a big deal to me.

                      [–]aciliusoperatorx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Reading this just makes me hate humanity even more. I'll never go into a relationship again.

                      [–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Too many people saying "talk to her." How exactly is that convo going to go? "Hey honey, I overheard that you used to be a raging cockmagnet even though you told me you you were a a good girl. Want to quickly think up some excuses that make this ok?"

                      Fucking hell. It's like people are telling this guy "hey, you should actively solicit your wife gaslighting you."

                      What ever happened to talk is cheap? Nowadays these blue pill phaggots are worse than women in thinking that simply running your cock gobbler solves problems. It doesn't. Solving problems solves problems. Talk is just talk, and in this scenario it's begging to let her hamster run loose.

                      [–]yimanya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Rule of _____ (insert number) proven once again.

                      [–]Audball766 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      That is really fucked up. All of it. Wtf.