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[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 89 points90 points  (5 children)

That's what boyfriends are for, right? You shake them and see how much money comes out.

[–]BoyMeetsHarem 28 points29 points  (2 children)

That's fine, as long as you shake them in the right place and everybody understands the relationship.

[–]karmacrunch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds more like prostitution that

[–]BoyMeetsHarem -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Aka "male female sexual relationships."

[–]tremondo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

its like that olg sega game golden axe where at night when you rest you can beat up the gnomes and they give you coins and potions without any resistance from the gnomes apart from that they try to run away from you

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let's just hope that mom wasn't talking about condoms.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 352 points353 points  (91 children)

Your wife is teaching your daughter to treat a beta provider like a beta provider. I don't see a problem.

[–]sniperhiding 200 points201 points  (84 children)

Agreed. No different than a dad telling his son it's OK to fuck a slut if the opportunity arises, because that's all she's good for.

Now if my wife (if married) taught my daughter it's OK to be a slut and ride the cc, then I would have a problem.

[–]HiddenDeathArt 36 points37 points  (1 child)

The equivalent of my father saying, don't love these hoes..

[–]Kaelteth[S] 82 points83 points  (76 children)

Actually, 100% this.

If she can dupe some poor bastard into paying her way while she's got him semi-friendzoned, more power to her. Just also don't ride the fucking it for when you find the guy that isn't a pushover loser but isn't trying to plate you either.

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 43 points44 points  (28 children)

It may not be the best idea for her to go around duping betas. It's not about "fairness" or "doing the right thing", it's simply that she's at her peak SMV now and should be using her sexual power to secure the commitment of the best guy she can find.

The danger of duping betas is twofold. First, she'll become emotionally detached from these nice guys, and will need especially hard game to get interested, which will make her even more susceptible to players. These are not the guys who will invest in her, they'll take her for a ride on the carousel. Second, if she gets into the habit of treating her boyfriends (and other guys) like ATMs, word will get around, and she will gain the reputation of a bitch golddigger, which will put her even more in the crosshair of players for a quick lay.

The smart thing to tell her is to choose the most alpha beta bucks she can find, and if need be groom him to become the alpha she wants. That person will be the kind who focuses on his studies and will have a good, high paying job in the future, who will genuinely love her and therefore not dump her when a bigger set of tits pass by him, but still have the ability to give her the tingles.

That's what I'd tell my hypothetical daughter anyway. To my hypothetical son, I'd say have your fun fucking sluts, then find a good girl to settle down with. Different advice for different genders.

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    [–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Alpha and beta are useful terms to describe a man's behavior towards women, and although it may feel that way, it's not like there are two buckets of men. You can have a man who has the traits of a good provider (disciplined, resourceful, caring) but also has confidence and charm. A lot of guys have alpha potential, they just don't know any better, and it's easier to turn a beta bucks into an alpha than get a player to settle down (just like you can make a slut out of a wife, but not the other way around).

    For a successful female strategy, look no further than your grandparent's generation: keep your virginity or at the very least a low N, and trade your sexual access for commitment with an honest assessment of its value. That means wait until marriage if you can, otherwise until you are sure the guy you're giving it to is planning on wifing you up. Do not go after the hottest guy you can get, find a guy who has good provider traits but has some confidence, realizing that men gain confidence as they age, and therefore become sexier. One additional hurdle your generation and the one that comes after has to deal with is that a lot more men won't want to marry, especially when they realize what's going on, so you may need to marry the guy before he realizes it and realize he can do better. But that's the thing, just as men's strategy has become more difficult, so has women's. It's a losing situation for everyone, so you have to play hard if you want to get anywhere.

    [–]throwaway131072 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Your everyday college alpha doesn't give a shit about commitment, he cares about himself, and pussy. Alphas are selfish and focused on improving themselves, which makes them less than ideal providers/supporters.

    Girls (and boys) can date whoever they want, it depends on what you're looking for.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    "So wait. Girls shouldn't try to date alphas for commitment?"

    The smart thing to tell her is to choose the most alpha beta bucks she can find, and if need be groom him to become the alpha she wants.

    Which part of that did you not understand?

    [–]ayvyns 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I understood it. I wanted to know if it would not be smart to date a guy who is already alpha.

    [–]rpkarma 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    He won't want to date. Not at that age. Why would he, with the amount of easy pussy girls throw at him

    [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Your question is best suited to the lovely ladies over at /r/RedPillWomen

    IMO, your time shouldn't be spent picking who you date. Your time should be spent improving yourself endlessly. You'll naturally rise up through the ranks. You'll also be smarter so you won't fuck up your own life/relationship. To each their own.

    [–]SekcRokStallion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    If you're a female seeking advice on sexual strategy, you are in the wrong place.

    You would be better off in /r/redpillwomen

    You absolutely should attempt to gain the commitment of an alpha, but the tactics and strategies for doing so are completely different than what is preached here.

    [–]ayvyns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I am on there. Most posts are by women who are already in LTRs, which I'm interested in because I obviously want to keep my boyfriend happy. But they don't discuss strategy to the extent and depth that guys do here.

    [–]Rush-into-the-fray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Do you really believe that any woman has this much forward thinking? I think you are being hopeful, and i agree with you. Tell your boy to wear a condom, tell your girl to follow her heart, not her ovulation cycle.

    [–]Kaelteth[S] -5 points-4 points  (16 children)

    I don't disagree, however in terms of teaching my daughter, there's a line between making some loser beta take her on a free ride through life and allowing some loser beta to choose to blow his cash on this stuff.

    IE - its not "Do this, and maybe someday I'll think about sleeping with you" its mentioning "Hey, I could use this" and him just going out and getting it.

    [–]ktappe 15 points16 points  (13 children)

    You know darn well the BB guy is getting it for her as part of an attempt to win her affections. If both you and she have no intention of every rewarding his attempts, it's morally repugnant for you to accept the gifts.

    [–]LeviGoldberg 1 point2 points  (12 children)

    it's morally repugnant for you to accept the gifts.

    Hamster time this early on a Friday? Sexual strategy is amoral. How many times has that been said here? Don't be mad because OP's daughter has it figured out.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 7 points8 points  (11 children)

    Taking gifts under false premise is no "sexual strategy" and certainly not immoral.

    [–]duckducklandwhale 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Well then the Blue Pill loser needs to revamp his sexual strategy to adjust to the current realities.

    Also, he's already her boyfriend apparently so yeah

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Yep. He should alpha up and drop or plate that bitch to look for a girl with nurturing instinct instead of gold-digger qualities.

    [–]LeviGoldberg 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Really? A woman finding a provider for herself isn't part of sexual strategy? Are you kidding me?

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    She is clearly not looking for a provider and mate but only looking for somebody she can drench of as many things as possible.

    Enforcing this kind of behaviour in you child is indeed a dangerous thing. Not only will she be looking for the wrong traits, she will most likely end up in a relationship with a BB she is unhappy with and will most likely become a cheating sloot who is self-entltled to an expensive life-stlye. One day she will divorce and end up as a 35-yo single mom that wonders where all the good guys have gone.

    The optimal sexual strategy for a woman is to find herself either an aspiring alpha, or a beta which she can form into an alpha with a good education and good opportunities for his later life, catch and nail him as early as possible and support him regardless of the resources he possesses at the moment, and not start gold-digging as soon as possible.

    [–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Here's the thing though, if K is her boyfriend, she's probably sleeping with him. Your daughter should realize that her N matters, and every new guy she sleeps with hurts her SMV. It's like blowing cash away. So she wants to make sure every guy counts.

    If K is redeemable, she shouldn't use him for money but rather patiently and subtlety guide him on the path of masculinity. If he isn't, she should not be staying with him.

    As for betas she isn't sleeping with, I agree that there is little harm in accepting gifts from them, but actively conning them is an unproductive use of her time.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 70 points71 points  (23 children)

    Not trying to sound like a dick, and I don't know your daughter from Jane Doe, but the CC in most universities is going to be extremely tempting. Parties, alcohol, "all of my girlfriends are doing it", "but Dad, he's just soooo hawt and he has a great personality and he Cares About MeTM ", etc, etc.

    I would be making it clear early and often, on every phone call home, that slut-shaming is indeed a "thing", and that even though 90% of her friends are cheap whores doesn't mean she needs to be one too, and that despite what feminism tells her, any future husband will in fact care about her "number".

    [–]mechafrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Your post is very much true for 90% of women out there. A bluepiller like me would like to change that. Hear me out, this is what I think:

    Women who sleep around and have experiences with Alphas will mostly not have the mental capacity to accept and understand their inability to be sexually satisfied by the beta providers later in life. Having sex and sexual desire is a deep and physiologically powerful, so many “sluts” will crave for their Alpha fucks they got during their slut period. Intelligent women will know and understand Alpha behaviour and will like it, but, ultimately understand that there is a rational man behind it who is playing his game. She is getting sex from high SMV men so she is playing her own game too.

    I think if she has the capacity to understand the behaviour and see the men behind the image she will need less and less of the alpha behaviour from her partner to be satisfied. This is because she understands why it is used and its affects will be diluted or more transparent to her. She will also need her partner to have the same realization and have the emotional maturity to be her equal (i.e. he can’t be a pushover beta provider). At this level of understanding the "number" will not matter because both the man and woman understand that the woman has experienced and seen through enough alpha behaviour and therefore is not hamstering that she doesn't need an alpha man. He will still provide the alpha man because they both understand it is needed as they have a mutual knowledge of sexual desires of both man and woman. The alpha will no longer be intimidated by her number because she has opened the book of her sexual past and this level of openness shows she isn’t hamstring for more of what she got during her promiscuous years.
    In this relationship both partners have sexual maturity to know what the best sex is for them, as they know their bodies any know how sexual behaviour is important part of a LTR. Your average male female partnership will not have discussed this issue and will keep hamstring what they have is the best for them. Many women who date Alphas fuck behind their backs… this is unfortunately true. I would rather my woman be able to tell me she has fantasies rather than hamster that she isn’t. This will be worse if she hasn’t been able to experience as many alpha fucks, and have the intelligence to eventually see through it. I will admit a lot of women don’t have the level of intelligence to get this level of understanding and will crave for the same “fresh” Alpha male experience she got during her period of whoring. Thus proving for the majority of cases TRP truths are proven true. I know this will be down voted but I hope its food for thought. Women are sexual beings; I want the truth from my partner and not some hamstring to help her overcome her guilt for wanting to have fucked around a bit more.

    [–]Kaelteth[S] 2 points3 points  (20 children)

    I understand, but please also understand I have raised my daughter right. Yes, its a temptation, but she understands that the true right guy won't want her if she's been guzzling cum all her life either.

    [–]2Axotl 34 points35 points  (5 children)

    The amount of girls I've been with who has had righteous stern-faced conservative my-daughter-was-taught-right angels beliefs has been staggering. It's very likely you aren't the exception. Just so you know. It's hard for a girl to ignore their natures. Look at Palin's daughter for example. One of the biggest abstinence advocates. Pregnant at 17.

    [–]Cthulu2013 22 points23 points  (4 children)

    I love the irony of her slutty daughter.

    [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    And Sarah wasn't pregnant during the campaign, that was her daughters kid. Couldn't let on that the real family life didn't live up to the rhetoric.

    [–]Devvils 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That whole tribe of hillbillies spent $150K on clothes for the 2008 campaign.

    [–]drunkjake 49 points50 points  (1 child)

    You think that. Experience says otherwise

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    So do the stats, sadly.

    [–]bumblingbuck 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    For some reason, I imagined Hank Hill having the talk with a teenage girl. "You don't want to be a cum dumpster, I tell ya hwhat."

    [–]miraistreak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    mmhmmm (sips Alamo beer)

    [–]sudoaptgetinstall2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Hank Hill was pretty red pill.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorn0c0ntr0l 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Wishful thinking.

    I've fucked your daughter. Maybe not YOUR daughter.

    But I've fucked girls who's Dad's think they raised their little angel correctly and taught her to say no to every dick around.

    And then I've tossed them away afterwards.

    [–]creepyjelly -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

    You're so awesome! Hope some angry dad finally gets a hold of you and turfs you off a fucking balcony.

    [–]Rush-into-the-fray -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    You have the right idea. It is your job to make it hard for the players. I have played girls, but only the ones that i would agree to marry, because she was my type. But if you are not an alpha male to your daughter, i'm going to hit that shit in the lowe's home improvement bathroom on her lunch break. Fair warning, papa. Self respect, and humility is a real womans' reason for being. Don't you forget it.

    [–]1mykart 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Most women know this already, the problem is that they think lying about their history is a sufficient enough workaround to this. This works for the most part but once they get started they will start to get used to the lifestyle.

    If I was you I would do everything in my power to ensure that my daughter is never single during her college years. If that means encouraging her to not rock the boat with this beta then so be it.

    [–]QQ_L2P 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    NAWALT? Come on bro. She will know it up to the point her 'gina tingles matter more than whatever life lessons she's learnt. After all, sex just happened, right?

    I know it's hard to think of your daughter like that, but periodic reminders are never a bad thing.

    [–]midwesternliberal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What? Raised her right? She's going to be cheating on all her bf's throughout college, since they'll be paying for her but she'll be fucking every other dude that gives her an ounce of attention. That's really what you call raising her right? Guess like mother like daughter lol.

    [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And so she'll lie to them, duh

    [–]sniperhiding -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    And tell her, if she wants a good marriage, don't marry the beta. It's one thing to date him and let him do beta things. But if she thinks she'll be happy with him in marriage, she won't.

    [–]cooledcannon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    While I do think children should choose for themselves, I dont see any reason why anyone, let alone girls, should go to university... Its sorta a scam.

    [–]noydoc 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    First year STEM degree.

    You can be in denial all you want, she's going to be riding the carousel. It's just not going to involve any STEM students.

    [–]yumyumgivemesome 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Whether true or not, a STEM degree makes that less likely than a go-nowhere degree. Unless OP's daughter sucks at STEM -- in which case, she'll need to manipulate the boys for help...

    [–]CasualPenguin 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    You're teaching your daughter to be a disgusting human being, how about being earnest with what she wants regardless of what she can get from people.

    [–]ktappe 10 points11 points  (15 children)

    If she can dupe some poor bastard into paying her way while she's got him semi-friendzoned, more power to her.

    Let me put this as succinctly as I can: Fuck you.

    One of the basics of TRP (and I admit I'm somewhat new here) is that we try to take a moral high road. Women can act like what you are advocating for your daughter and we men try to help each other avoid being taken in. But the fact is, that type of behavior is wrong. We acknowledge it, avoid women who act like that, and/or change that woman's behavior by teaching/showing her that it's wrong and won't be tolerated. For you to say "all power to her" is to advocate for her to do that to a guy. It is wrong.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    TRP is about evolutionary biology and the sexual marketplace.

    The approach a man has to take in the sexual marketplace is much different than the approach a woman has to take. This is why while TRP is 95% guys we still have a separate sub for females /r/RedPillWomen that gives women advice.

    A woman who consciously makes these decisions is red pill, when they make these decisions subconsciously because society tells them that's what should happen that's when you end up with a cock carousel riding slut.

    In reality the beta BF is just a stepping stone. It is actually in her best interests to extract as much resources from him as she possibly can while on the search/hunt for the best alpha she can find that she can get to commit to her (rope into marriage or at the very least LTR).

    It may feel wrong but that's just because you are engaging in male empathy. You feel bad for the guy getting screwed (and not in the wild night in the sack kind of screwed either) because you were that guy at one point.

    [–]nsummy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Being a gold digger is red pill? Hardly. Lets reverse a roll. A guy who lays around and has a woman pay for all of his stuff while he is broke is not alpha.

    [–]drimadethistocomment 10 points11 points  (8 children)

    TRP is amoral. That's actually said quite a bit here. People talk about fucking their friends girlfriends. I would say we're split down the middle.

    [–]ThanksRoissy 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    It is amoral, but a good man should have morals.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Indeed, but "sexual strategy" is amoral. Not just amongst humans, but among all living things. Sexual morals are societal constructs designed to control primal urges in human beings.

    [–]thisjibberjabber 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    We have moral instincts. We also have many moral philosophers who have provided a rational basis for morality.

    I like Kant and the silver rule (don't do unto others what you don't want done to yourself) pretty well, while recognizing that lots of things called moral rules are arbitrary (mixed fibers, shellfish, etc.).

    I'd rather not be associated with people who disavow morality. This is also good evolutionary strategy. You don't want to be around people who will stab you in the back.

    Every time someone on here disavows morality they are providing fuel for the mainstream media/extreme feminists to call trp morally repugnant.

    [–]duckducklandwhale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Yea but you cant even really pin what is or isnt moral since it's all relative to a persons beliefs, values, religions, cultures, etc

    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Morality is not subjective at all. This is an easy, but decent read on the subject if you're new to it.

    [–]drimadethistocomment 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Where do you base these morals? Religion? I don't see the problem here. In the world we live in you essentially have two choices. Get fucked, or fuck. Which side of the equation is your preference?

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I've been reading this shit way to often here as well as all over reddit. The world isn't black and white. You can go through live and be successful without fucking anybody and without letting anybody fuck you pretty well.

    [–]DexterousRichard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    True, but some fail to understand what this means.

    TRP is a theory explaining behavior, just like physics explains the physical world. This theory is outside the realm of morality. It's just how things are.

    Choosing your actions is a moral act. How you teach your kids to act is a moral act...

    [–]nsummy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Amen to this. TRP or not, probably not a smart idea to teach your daughter to be a gold digger that swindles money instead of works for it. I would instill better values.

    [–]1aguy01 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    If you think it's okay to use a girl for sex then you are a hypocrite. If you don't think it's okay to use a girl for sex then you are bluepill.

    [–]Saturnalia93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    This seems to be a big trend here. I've followed this subreddit for quite a while before I even joined the site, and I see it replayed over and over again.

    You have a group of guys split down the middle, with one half claiming amorality or at least ambiguous morality and ethics, and the other half trying to take an ethical stance or the moral high road, whichever you want to call it.

    I tend to side far more with the second half, because I am a good person. There's a difference between being a BP'er "nice guy" and a genuinely good human being. One doesn't have to be a fucking cunt to his mates (i.e. fucking their girlfriends, as was spoken of below in another post) to be RP.

    Sociopathy =/= RP, imo. Being a rational, adult male who knows the rules of the game and bears no false illusions is what it's all about.

    [–]Rush-into-the-fray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    nature relies on the carousel, it's your JOB to be the best of the choices.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    They can't tell plate from LTR any more than they can tell quality alpha from loser that uses them for sex and a place to crash. How to teach a daughter that, I don't know. My 17 year old has found an interesting kid, waiting to see how it pans out. He's quite a bit like I was at 22, which is both alarming and comforting. Only fathers with daughters will fully understand that. My kid has been on the CC since she was 13, andshe is catching up to my number fast, she's over half way there in just four years. We are open about things, no details, but she asks questions and is honest with me. Girls are for fucking, my daughters aren't special, they are like their mom.

    [–]yumyumgivemesome -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    This isn't a good thing. "Nice guys" can turn into maniacs when their niceness is not enough. Your daughter will eventually get bored because her major male role model all of these years has been an alpha. These guys are just as likely to turn vindictive as the typical alpha college guy, except that the nice guys will be far less predictable if/when they turn.

    [–]Rush-into-the-fray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No different, but my boy doesn't need to fuck the slut, his hand fits tighter. No drama, no Maury Povich show, he is not the father! My boy fucks the best of the best, no exceptions. She is saying okay to a lame fuck, if he has money. Lose-lose situation. 50 percent divorce rates with alimony, and child support money handed to the ex. I wish i was a female just for the free ride, and the new boyfriend taking me on vacations.

    [–]FuriousMouse -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Now if my wife taught my daughter it's OK to be a slut and ride the cc, then I would have a problem.

    But WHY? What do you think will happen if your daughter rides the CC?

    The options are to marry an low value beta at 22 and risk a divorce after a kid or two, or ride the CC and marry a highly educated beta at 29-30, stay married for 10-15 years and take half his wealth at 40-45.

    This all assuming af course that your daughter has the SMV to pull this off.

    [–]nsummy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What will happen? pregnancy, stds, poor reputation, poor self-worth. What could go wrong?!

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Right, So its okay for other peoples daughters to ride the cc but when its yours its a big nono.I hope some alpha dude knocks her up and leaves her.

    [–]sniperhiding -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It is the girl's own choice if she wants to be a slut or not. She has agency in case you forgot.

    I just choose to raise a daughter so that hopefully she chooses red pill women sexual strategy and not feminist sexual strategy. And I will make damn sure the wife does not point her in the wrong direction either.

    Go re-read the sidebar Sally.

    [–]harkrank 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    In today's world a woman can support herself without relying on beta providers. There will not be such a thing as a beta with a good life in the future, so his wife is setting up their daughter to either spend her future with a beta provider that can't provide or destroying her future LTR-value by having fruitless relationships.

    [–]VegasHostTre 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Which poses the million dollar question. Would you want your daughter to be with a beta or an alpha?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    hold it there where's the love for fellow males?

    [–]Manuel_S 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Exactly this. Do you wish your daughter to play handicapped with a man's notions of honour? Thats how they roll, and it works.

    Teach her to make sure she finds a proper BB at the right moment.

    [–]slideforlife 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    just one step from whoredom

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Sounds more like an inch or two IMO. OP's daughter's behavior sounds like soft prostitution to me.

    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 63 points64 points  (28 children)

    "Don't teach my daughter to be a money-wringing leech."

    [–]chakravanti93 -3 points-2 points  (27 children)

    Why not? She should teach her daughter to fuck betas? Date better? What? He don't owe K shit. We don't do dowries.

    [–]CornyHoosier 36 points37 points  (15 children)

    Why not? Because that isn't how you should live your life. Stop looking at it from a male/female stand-point and realize you need to raise your child not to rely on the welfare of others and take some personal-responsibility with their own lives. Men can be money/time/life-wringing leeches as well.

    [–]ktappe 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    K is a human being. He likes D. Taking advantage of him for trying to be a nice person is crappy.

    TRP exists because we got tired of being taken advantage of by women. It is therefore anathema to TRP to encourage our own daughters to take advantage of men. "We got shit on, so when we have the chance we'll shit on others." WTF?

    [–]chakravanti93 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Nope. That's my blood. I don't owe you shit juat because you have a penis. Particularily if you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself.

    AFBB is a functional evolutionary imperitive and if my daughter can hustle it to keep our gene pool and our finances at the top, what am I supposed to tell her, again?

    Psuedomorals work real well but don't mean a fuck to me.

    -Marylin Manson, Get your gunn

    [–]1independentmale 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    The day will come when women like your daughter won't be able to find a decent man because you've turned her into an entitled little brat who thinks men owe her the world on a silver platter.

    I, for one, can't wait.

    [–]chakravanti93 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    And yet I see 4+ kids post wall fatties with multiple bb's throwing down cash for no ass in a conservative midwest state.

    You may be right. In which case, my boy will be running shit and training, although not supporting, his nieces and nephews. Hard to say what the world looks like tommorow.

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket, eh?

    What's your real complaint. If you're genuinely alpha, you get a free fuck and forget.

    I fail to understand your resentment of my logic here.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Hehe... you know dowries were basically parents bribing men to take their daughters off their hands because women have always been high maintenance and low in production capability.

    [–]chakravanti93 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Basically. Bitches aint shit. Someone has to be responsible? Dude, I will litterally pay you to get this cunt I accrued trying to make a Man off my hands. She's even good for fucking.

    Then you got Jews who flipped the script on that shit. Which is both really fucking pathetic and goddamn genius at the same time.

    Hell, I'd say it's the fuckin' bomb.

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      [–]chakravanti93 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      What do you think I'm trying to say?

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        [–]chakravanti93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That men should pay for sex...T'was once the other way around.

        [–]1TVTestPattern 36 points37 points  (0 children)

        "Make me a sandwich and blow me while I eat it watching porn... that's what wives are for."

        Good luck buddy...

        [–]RebootedMale 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        But, but, but, I thought we sent young women to college to teach them to be strong and independent?

        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 26 points27 points  (6 children)

        I have a 16 year old daughter. When I dropped her off at school today I reminded her not to allow her fellow students to influence her behavior too much, saying "remember, in ten years these people will be delivering your pizza".

        [–]Lemminger 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        Watch out putting too much pressure on her. Also you are alienating her from her friends - it could backfire and/or she could become a bitch. There was something on reddit a few days ago that said to promote effort was the most important. I would not recomend statements like that.

        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        "Don't worry about what these people think, don't let them influence you. Work your ass off and develop skills that will last you a lifetime. The kids who are the most popular in school- the jocks, the football guys, and the girls who are screwing them- they'll be delivering your pizza and flipping your burgers in ten years."

        Nothing there is going to alienate her, or make her a bitch. Do you even dad, bro?

        [–]Lemminger 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        By adding: "Work your ass off and develop skills that will last you a lifetime", I totally agree with you. Good dad'ing, bro!

        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Also told her "The reason you need to pass Algebra is not because Algebra matters in any real-world application. You will never, as an adult, find yourself using Algebra. What matters is that you are learning to push yourself through a situation you don't give a fuck about and don't feel like finishing, because at the end there is a reward you care about. Most of adulthood is about doing shit you don't wanna do because you need the payoff at the end."

        [–]Lemminger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You sound like a good dad with a healthy gasp of reality :)

        [–]Satchmo84 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Fucking AWALT, that's how it works.

        [–]1RBuddDwyer 13 points14 points  (11 children)

        Admittedly I am new to all this, and I do not have a daughter, so take this with a grain of salt.

        I would teach my daughter:

        1. Don't sleep around.
        2. Find a good alpha male you are attracted to who has his shit together and is either going places or is already there. Make sure he is a good and moral man. (This is very important later.)
        3. Find him before you turn 25.
        4. Get a ring on his finger and yours.
        5. Fuck the shit out of him early, often, and in as many kinky ways you can think of, be submissive, be respectful, provide a good home, be very feminine, and stay loyal.
        6. Make as many babies with him as possible.

        Basically, find the right alpha guy, run some serious girl game, start a family. Keep doing this until one of you is dead.

        [–]Proud_Denzel 16 points17 points  (9 children)

        You just described the average Muslim woman.

        [–]doritoesNcoffee 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        In 50 years, muslim women will be the only remaining wife material.

        [–]lakingscrzy 2 points3 points  (6 children)

        The conservative Catholics are fighting against the liberal invasion. They've even started to break away, look at SSPX.

        [–]DanG3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        So I/we don't have to do a lot of research, what, in your opinion is the Society of Saint Pius X about - beyound what Wickipedia says? Bells and Smells crowd? Dark Chocolate Catholics? I'm asking because IME I'm recently seeing (what I see as) Red Pill thinking emerging in the Church. In some seminars I recently attended, they were (nearly) talking in evo-bio-psyco terms. What's your read?

        [–]lakingscrzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm not highly read up on SSPX. AFAIK, they are theological disseminated rather than politically or socially, though these are convoluted terms. Vatican 2 and holding hands in mass, sing-songy Catholicism, the threat of womyn clergy, essentially the "desecration of the Mass." I bring them up mainly because when I think conservative Catholicism, my mind goes to those Latin speaking bulwarks. It's more difficult to draw distinctions to an audience (such as trp) that is not privy or well versed on current religious trends.

        I was baptized Easter '13 and spent nearly 2 years studying The Great Books For Men before I took the plunge. I can tell you that modern churches are very feminized. There is a very strong correlation between how close to Protestantism and how feminized a church is. Women really have taken over, and it's something I suspect SSPX sniffed out when the laity took more control after Vatican 2.

        One of the biggest strengths of Rome was its centralization. Men only clergy (look how much shit was accomplished because of this), very strict ritual and tradition, and a non-democratic theology. It held the church together for thousands of years. Once Vatican 2 happened and Rome allowed the laity to start running local parishes, they did exactly what women did with the power feminists won for them: they started creating everything in their own image.

        Now, there are men who are really starting to take notice of this, mainly because men are leaving in droves. What once was a place where a blood stained crusader came to seek repentance is now a place where people come to socialize and get happy-feels from a homily and couldn't give two shits about the mass itself.

        I was thinking red pill because of my religious thinking before I truly discovered RP. I found redpillwifey and Dalrock and it all solidified. I don't know which direction it will all go, I'm very weary about the current state of affairs in our world. If Rome falls to feminism that's an instant 1 billion hamsters getting jet fuelled. I've been thinking lately about what the men of the Church need, my godfather started up an order that's still fledgling.

        He is very very extreme, and I've lost a bit of my taste for him; but if you want to see what a red pill Catholic who smacks down liberalism looks like, check out a guy named Michael Voris on YouTube.

        Edit: I didn't seem to answer your evo-psych question. The Church has always had one eye on science and one on the spiritual. Look at all the work that priests have done over the years. They've definitely moved slowly on proclamations as to not shoot themselves in the foot because of the sciences fluidity.

        Psychology is the baby of the sciences right now. There is just shit we really don't know yet. As more and more comes out it tends to vindicate what the Church has been claiming the whole time, which is why they move slower. But as things are revealed you can bet they are going to jump all over it.

        The problem is that there are very probably red pill Catholics out there with an amazingly melded concept of theology and red pill, but seminars are only heard by a few thousand at a time, and one three hour talk is not going to reverse years of societies BP indoctrination. RP needs to be injected like an antiviral into homilies. V2 gave power to the laity to help run things, red pillers need to step up and defend their churches.

        [–]IAcceptDogecoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I used to work for a SSPX run school which focused on the formation of young men. It was hardcore and prepared it's students equally for the priesthood or fatherhood. I should say now that I approve wholeheartedly of the SSPX despite its tenuous position with Rome which I hope is resolved soon.

        The SSPX is a traditionalist Catholic priestly fraternity. Through its apostolates the SSPX is trying to get souls to heaven through the formation of priests and shepherding of the Faithful. They take a classical approach to most problems and view St. Thomas Aquinas as the apogee of Catholic theology. Aquinas himself largely synthesized Christianity with Aristotle producing his masterpiece Summa Theologica. How do you feel about Aristotle? If you have a positive disposition, I think that you would accept many of the SSPX's positions.

        The most obvious difference between a diocesan Mass and SSPX Mass is the language; the SSPX exclusively uses the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) everyday. Having had the opportunity to talk with many SSPX seminarians I have been singularly impressed by the quality and competence. Most Catholics have a funny way about talking about men entering the priesthood. They use phrases like: 'It was my calling.' or 'I discerned my vocation.'

        If you are religious and trying to make sense of what is wrong with the world I recommend checking out the Catholic Church through the SSPX.

        I counsel against regularly attending a Hippy Spirit of Vatican II Church. The Society of St. Pius X has Mass centers around the world. There are Catholic organizations that are doing the ordinary holy work expected of them. Among these are the Fraternity of St. Peter, The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, Canons of St. John Cantius, and so forth. If a nun isn't wearing a religious habit, avoid her like the plague.

        [–]1RBuddDwyer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You should look into Opus Dei. All the hard core catholicism of SSPX, without the schism. Your sacraments will count with them.

        [–]IAcceptDogecoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Or the FSSP. Really if a religious order is growing it's probably fairly conservative or traditionally minded.

        [–]IAcceptDogecoin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        They're not fully broken off yet. I am hoping for a personal prelature a la Opus Dei.

        [–]txroller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I imagine my wife would tell our Daughter the same thing. I'm divorced and speak to neither of them

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          [–]commandliner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          that's the bottom line gentlemen.

          [–]2asd1100 11 points12 points  (5 children)

          "It" is not everywhere, IT is US, this is how we fucking function, morality is just so we don't kill one another and because it feels good to be self righteous, we are fundamentally horrifying beings.

          We are the only animal that can trick it's self into hurting other members of it's species for no reason at all than to appear, defend and protect abstract social concepts like patriotism, race or honor.

          We search our whole life for reasons to die. We hate one another because we have different imaginary friends. We mutilate our children to appease those imaginary friends. We would hesitate to protect our neighbour for fear of our own life but we consider it honorable to die for our country's interest. We obey and enforce laws with unscrupulous violence, but we find it acceptable because those people do it in the name of an arbitrary written law. We are not reasonable being by any stretch of the imagination.

          [–]MrRexels 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Are you feeling euphoric right now?

          [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          No, I'm just a very cheerful person in general :)

          [–]NormanoSilurian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Race is not a social abstract. That is just a line from Cultural Marxism.

          [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Never said that.

          racism however is.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Well. If I were you I'd question myself if I chose the right wife in this moment.

          [–]DoctorWelch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm not sure why this struck me as odd, but I just got a weird sensation/realization that there are men out there who have daughters around my age who are here reading and learning the same thing as me...something I always knew but never really thought about.

          [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I'm sorry OP but your wife is a cunt. Hope you got a prenup.

          [–]∞ Red Pill VisionaryRollo-Tomassi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          She's half right, that's what Betas are for.

          [–]ktappe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          ITT: TRP'ers showing their true natures. Half are knocking OP for encouraging his daughter to take advantage of a Beta. The other half are saying "Kudos! You take what you can get!"

          The really tricky bit is these two camps give differing TRP advice. The former are actual humans, the latter make me want to shower after reading reddit.

          [–]Traz_Onmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If K likes to provide for nothing in return he's the male equivalent of a slut. TRP always has great advice on how to deal with sluts: sexual strategy is amoral, use people for what they're good for etc. Why is it different when the genders are reversed?

          [–]ThanksRoissy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Gasp! Maybe there is no hivemind after all.

          [–]sixtysixpixistix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          One man one woman, the diad is a solid structure and it won't change until our minds are uploaded or something horrible biologically happens to us.

          [–]The_bad_seed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          she was probs talking about condoms bro...

          [–]johnyann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I wonder how your wife learned that Mr. Alpha OP.

          [–]Rush-into-the-fray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The cycle continues because you kept your mouth shut. Well done, /u/Kaelteth . They will always produce Betas to further their "empowerment". Pussy is pussy, pay for it with dinner, or pay for it with cash, #sheknowswhatisbest.

          [–]breathedeeply1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You have the right to interfere with this mindless bullshit which will only corrode your daughter.

          A few years ago my daughter was encouraged by her mother and grandmother to burn a year's worth of scholarship and live in France for a year to hopefully seduce a rich fellow to pay for her life after marriage. I was supposed to help fund this female narcissistic leachfest.

          I absolutely refused to do so and made clear the male logic of the cost of making construction mistake. First there is the cost of digging the wrong hole. Second is the cost of fixing the wrong hold. Third is the cost of digging the right hole. Stupidly burning one year of a scholarship to get a free meal ticket is actually burning three years worth of the same money. The plan didn't work, and she learned a lesson.

          You can have an impact. The Red Pill can be used on kids. The basic leachi-ness of some women is constantly searching for allies and accessories after the fact, like in the story. Grandma and mom both saw men simply for the money they can suck out of them, time to make the next generation do the same. We as men can have an impact. Our daughters do notice the difference, evenif they shut up around their mothers.

          [–]kashmon77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          how about you be a leader and tell your daughter what to do...

          a real leader does not sit silently and listen to a convo they dislike and whine about it online...

          [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Don't you get it? A red pill woman would of course expect this from a man. A redpill woman BELIEVES that a man should lead, take control, and PAY. All those things are simply the old school gender roles for a man.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          and PAY.

          I've been deciding my LTR's budget allowance based on what she needs, not on what she wants. How much I make or have is none of her business & she knows better than to ask. Adopt the same model or you'll indeed be "paying".

          [–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Think you're overvaluing money in attraction. It's the stability they want, that means babies and roof. Every hour past that is a waste. If it's not job that ups tingles; it's just time she doesn't get to ride your cock to her. They're only working for a man named will I be alright, and tingles is his boss.

          [–]ohsweetword -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Sounds like you're white knighting for your daughters beta boyfriend.

          [–]lemotif -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

          Maybe give K some RP insight? Sit down and talk with him about how not to get pushed over.

          [–]chakravanti93 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          "Here's how to fuck my daughter."

          Nah, I'm with Momma on this one. Fuck that bitch, right in the fucking wallet.

          If he's a bitch and you aint got what to put in his back pocket, take something out of it.

          [–]Kaelteth[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Why? K's saving me a pile of cash. What benefit is it to me, or my daughter, to man up K?

          Ride the bucks all you want daughter...just don't ride the carousel.

          [–]2Marsupian -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Id tell my daughter to take that guys wallet for a ride and tell her to try to in the future bring a guy home who has at least a chance against me in a fight and I can drink a fucking beer with afterwards.

          [–]dardanmm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Jesus.. use fake names next time "op"

          [–]learningBen -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          Maybe she meant, "That's what a partner is for." When you're low on funds and your partner has some, why not let them help you?

          Still waiting to hear someone who actually understands what an Alpha is on TRP. Probably not someone sitting around complaining about his wife and daughter on internet message boards.

          [–]GreatWalker -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

          For some reason I thought "it" referred to protection. Now it makes sense