top 200 commentsshow all 224

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 214 points215 points  (21 children)

I wondered if it was worth pointing out that she didn't raise my brother and I, we essentially raised each other while she was off with her hobbies.

In other words, you are still too scared to tell your mom how it really is, and that she is a thoughtless prat. Ice out your mom. Tell her why. Hang out with your dad. Tell him why. He will really like hearing that someone recognizes what he did. Better than a Congressional Medal of Honor it is when your son says "thanks" for being a good father.

[–]goodguy29 48 points49 points  (7 children)

Exactly. The question I would ask your mom is, If you became severely injured and were no longer able to perform your duties as a wife and mother, do you think dad would divorce you, despite your trying to get better?

[–]balalasaurus 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Really? Because the way I see it, that's trying to use logic and we all know that women prefer feelz over rational logic.

[–]Clemence999 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Broadly true, yes. But situations occur where logic presents to steep of a hill for the hamster to climb. This may be one of those situations.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And they'll take a part of that logical argument and use it against you if it's to their advantage.

Better not to give them anything to react to or to quote or twist.

[–]Menadian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

However, being able to say you did the right things really pays off in regards of your own self-esteem and others perception of you.

[–]balalasaurus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe but other's perception of you or you saying you did nice things in the past has no bearing on your present. A woman won't care about the past or whether or not you're a nice guy. Solipsism is real. You just have to accept it.

edit - and if you're thinking along the lines of "I was a nice guy before so I deserve to be treated fairly now", then you're not really a nice guy, but a Nice Guy.

[–]Neworld8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To rationalize this question for her own hamster, she will simply reply 'Yes he will' to this question even if it isn't true, it's to justify her own actions otherwise she will be a hypocrite. As long as she believes it, it will work in her favor. Once you go down this road you can't really say anything afterwards as you're counting on her to say 'no he wouldn't' which is the answer she does not want to give you for leverage.

[–]Mysogyny 23 points24 points  (10 children)

The only thing that has any value to her is her relationship with her kids. That's you.

Just tell her flat out that if she divorces your father, you will never, EVER, speak to her again.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 69 points70 points  (11 children)

Just like my first divorce. 10 years together. When the market crashed I was let go and found a job that paid less.

The wife at the time made $1 an hour more than I did and got pissed as fuck that I didn't pay for 100% of everything. Apparently asking her to pay her student loans and her credit cards with her job money while I still covered rent, insurance, car payments, utilities, cell phones, cable, was deemed of me "being lazy and taking advantage of her"

As soon as another man gave her some attention and flashed his mad wad of cash from his paid under the table job, she jumped ship.

Oh fucking well... I recovered and moved on.

If you're a beta buck and you fail to buck up. You're downgraded further to Omega.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Damn that's cold. A woman doesn't give a shit about fair, except when her slice of the pie is smaller. And once she gets accustomed to a lifestyle, she never wants to lose that. Her coughing up money to contribute was entirely reasonable, but that would have meant she had to dial back on her luxuries. She can't accept that.

At least you got rid of the parasitic ho.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Women can not go backwards in Lifestyle"

[–]PlanB_pedofile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's life. Go through the bitter phase, then the recovery, then discover the manosphere. Finally acceptance of awalt.

[–]redpilltom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A woman doesn't give a shit about fair, except when her slice of the pie is smaller.

Hmm, that seems awfully familiar to a certain women's movement.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course... The movement mimics and amplifies a ball-busting female's manipulations. Why bother focusing on one dude when you can exploit all men at once?

[–]ioncloud9 5 points6 points  (1 child)

She was treating your money as "the family money. Our money." And the money she made at her job was "her money" that she spent on herself. She didnt like it when "her money" paid for things she didnt want to pay for.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. This is where a man should quality test a woman.

See what responsibility a woman does. Will she pay her share? How does she contribute? Does she spend her money on you? How does she respect your finances?

A wife who thinks sex is a good enough payment is probably a hom

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Brother in arms... she left me after the crash and I wasn't bringing home the big bucks anymore.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meh. I haven't recovered 100% nor has anyone esle who got raped in the crash and shit on through divorce but I have evolved and I am tougher now. New job, a social job, I've evolved as a person. Her though didn't evolve much at all.

I've discovered a thing among men. Men evolve, women don't. A woman you met snd see in high school and college will the same type well past her wall.

Men you knew in school and college will have evolved and can almost be unrecognizable from their past selves.

[–]AmazonExplorer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I personally don't entirely believe in AWALT. I think women like this are more of a product of our current society. They've been tea spooned a false feminist narrative about how Men have taken advantage of women (when in fact, throughout history, the safety of women has always been prioritized), and thus hate men.

When I talk to women, (baby boomers, my mom, elders, etc.) they don't have a bad attitude towards men and are generally respectful. Whereas I look to my sister, tumblr tends to ooze out of her from time to time.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's from female employment while keeping the freedom of being provided.

When the woman was the stay at home, she lived off an allowance. She knew who paid all the bills and knew her place as the housewife.

Now women work and use the excuse of having a job to not do anything at home. Her hamster also fed upon the stereotype that a man is to pay for everything but a woman doing dishes is degrading.

So what does a woman who makes her own money and lives with no expenses to do? She parties, spends selfishly, lives beyond her means, develops an expensive taste. While her man is expected to fork over 90% of his earnings and do all the house chores. At that point might as well be a bachelor because a woman is like a roommate that doesn't pay nor helps around the home.

[–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 253 points254 points  (38 children)

Typical woman, will ditch the man when he's down.

I hope you call your mom the cunt that she is. This is how men commit suicide. They lose their job, then their "loved ones" abandon them. They're at the bottom, with no social network.

They turn to drugs/alcohol and eventually commit suicide. Seen/heard of tales like this a few times.

I hope you and your siblings support your dad through this tough time.

[–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 119 points120 points  (7 children)

I agree. OP should first and foremost support his dad. Be there for him. Take it as an opportunity to bond closer with him, since he knows the truth about women.

Secondly, OP. call your mother out for this horrible behavior. Women only respond to social cues and social ostracization (not any sort of moral code and definitely not a marriage vow). Tell her what she is doing is wrong and pull away from her, let her know why you are cold. Tell aunts and uncles about her behavior. Spread the word. Get extended family involved. Talk about her like you are disappointed in her behavior, and wondering why she is doing it. This will get those aunts, uncles, cousins, whoever to call up and ask her for the story.

[–]1GRRMkills 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Women only respond to social cues and social ostracization

Yes! So much truth to this statement. You need to use this to your advantage. Never come at a woman with logic. She only acts on emotion, and the threat of social ostracization will stir up some of the strongest emotions a woman can feel. This is why divorce was so uncommon by women until it became socially accepted. If she knows that what she's doing is unacceptable to her social group, she will rethink everything

[–]Ebon_Link 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Make sure to get her on tape saying that he never abused her. She'll go there.

[–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes and don't leave out the other women. Women judge each other morally (knowing the moral weakness the best) and don't give a lot of breaks. It could really rock her world if the other females she knows start hearing about this in a way she isn't controlling.

[–]Cock_unblocker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wait a second, maybe you could help explain a few contradicting concepts for me here. I read a while back on here that setting a standard (any standard really) to a women really imprints on her. So a guy with lesser value would typically set a higher bar for standard of living on his women to keep her happy. An example a beta gives his wife flowers each month and one month he forgets and she gets upset. Rather an alpha would never do this, and one day random he decides to bring his girl flowers for doing something good. She is ecstatic. So when you tend to go below your standard it's really bad, but if your value is high you don't need to up any standards for her. So OPs father provides this amazing standard of living for his wife, she gets use to it. Now that he lost his job and the standard lowers, is it OPs fathers fault for setting that bar too high? Should he have never let her get so comfortable in that situation for 30 years to prevent her being entitled to the life she was living. Or was this the only level of confront she was willing to accept to be with this man before she decided she would rather have random cock than stay with him?

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it's hard to have a different standard for the two partners in a marriage. They share a house and all sorts of things. As long as she isn't out buying lots of extra luxury items just for herself, the standard is shared.

But the woman does vow "for better or worse"; this seems to be something they have trouble with. We can't know if she would have stayed with him for a bit less 10 years ago. Nor do we really have to. What significant question would that answer, since they were going to share a standard of living anyway?

[–]ragear8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Secondly, OP.

PLEASE do this OP. And do it FAST

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait. First, have Dad understand his legal position and get affairs in order (bank accounts etc.)

That will make him more desirable, if he's able to pull some assets into his exclusive control. Does he have an inheritance from his own family? Have him segregate that out if it was commingled. That should be his to keep.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 28 points29 points  (4 children)

OP's dad and OP is a bit lucky. As twisted as it sounds. Imagine OP's mother divorcing his father and the lies she would have told him. Poisoning him for the rest of his dependent life against his father never to have met his father and eventually hating him. Then one day OP's father dies and he goes to his funeral there he meets his fathers side for the first time, everyone tells him how much he loved OP and asks why he didn't reply to the letters his dad sent him then OP asks "what letters?" And realizes that he has been cheated he asks his mom and indeed she hid those letters. She hid a father's love from her own child just to get back at him and then op breaks down and hates his mom while his mom says "it was for your own good."

This unfortunately is the story of millions of men around the world.

This is a tragedy indeed. OP I know you will be there for your dad he needs his loved ones besides him.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I was told my father was a rapist (that my mother apparently had consensual sex with after the rape, supposedly) never got to meet him, found out he died some years back.

[–]netgrey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck I can't imagine how bad that would fuck with your head. Even if it was true why would she saddle you with that.

Total bullshit though.

[–]jb_trp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Typical woman, will ditch the man when he's down.

This. So much this. I know a family that has 4 children. The mom is slightly overweight and certainly not a catch herself. I had only ever met the dad once because he was working all the time. A few months ago he was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. And you know what I heard last week? They're divorcing. Literally, this man is dying and this woman isn't even going to wait for that before moving away with their her kids. AWALT.

[–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I hope you call your mom the cunt that she is.

Eh, I'm not sure think this achieves anything other than momentarily feeling better. You do this to women or teens, and they go on the defensive or you drive them away seeking validation elsewhere. With women, name of the game is often exerting influence, their perception becomes their reality.

A "I'm disappointed in you for abandoning dad" and slowly shutting her out would send the same message. She can still have the same flight response, but another would be to live up to your expectations that the name-flinging often torches.

[–]jjakers88 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Nothing hurts a women more then her own children turning on her. It may not fix any problems - she'll hamster it after a bit - but it will sure put her in her place and make her suffer.

[–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Calling her a cunt would just make her go into tone policing and victim mode. She'll turn the whole thing into her kids making amends to her. Perhaps tell the court that her husband is turning her kids against her, depending on their age.

A "I'm disappointed in you" and freezing her out does not give her that line of hamstering or way of retribution but much the same effect.

[–]ROIVeritas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Typical woman, will ditch the man when he's down.

And because the second the man is down, he has become the woman when she's "up" or at her norm and best.

She doesn't want another her, because she knows she's not all that.

Women themselves are useless to themselves.

[–]Waffles92 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Wow I actually have a personal anecdote to argue your anecdote. Recently my dad got let go from his job, corporate bought out what was a privately owned location and they fired the highest paid employees. My mom is now working 2 jobs, 7 days a week to help pay bills and hasn't complained a bit. And is optimistic the family will get back on its feet again

Moral of the story. It's willful ignorance that's leading you to believe all women are the same, and are in a relationship just for the money.

[–]UrRealDad 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Tick tock, tick tock.

The countdown has begun and if your dad doesn't find meaningful employment quite soon, your experience will take quite a different turn.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep. It's the third corollary of Briffault's Law:

3 - A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male.

[–]imaRPman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I bet your Dad has a good amount of Alpha too. She wasn't there for the BB only.

I think the women here has been unhappy for a long time. This job loss is icing on the cake.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. What most people don't get about AWALT is that it has a specific context: AF/BB in a society where there is no stigma around divorce. Women can and do have successful marriages with Betas with some Alpha characteristics or Alphas with principles.

There's another factor at play here, though: the woman's family and social circle. If she's from a typical urban or suburban family with a typical urban or suburban social circle, then she won't think twice about divorce because she's actually encouraged to do it. If, on the other hand, the woman is from an Irish Catholic farming family and has no real social circle, divorce isn't an option, no matter how bad things get.

The devil's in the woman's social circle.

[–]fifth0 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Why people don't get this. I have no idea.

[–]jcrpta 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Because RP is a philosophy, and as such it deals almost exclusively in enormous generalisations.

Are those generalisations sometimes wrong in specific cases? Yes, of course they are. All generalisations are.

Are those generalisations - at least broadly speaking - more-or-less accurate? Our experience is that they are. But don't take an echo chamber that is pretty much any subreddit's word for it - carry out your own research to find out for yourself. That's strongly encouraged.

[–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (1 child)

We've seen so many that are like OP's situation. The exceptions don't invalidate the rule, but the rule does not mean that good women like Waffles92's mom share any blame for what they are not doing.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Briffault's Law in action.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This is the only proper reply. Standard, textbook Briffault's Law.

Briffault's Law:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Epic further reading on the subject:

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Women are simply not capable of loyalty the way men are. This behaviour shouldn't be surprising to any of you.

Going to second the general sentiment here; freeze out your mom, spend more time with your dad. He needs social support even if his pride won't allow him to admit it. Your mom will ruin him and not feel an ounce of shame doing so. She'll spin herself as the victim somehow.

[–]WeAreGlidingNow 62 points63 points  (8 children)

the second you stop buying them shit, they will take half your shit

It gets worse. Source: my own recent experience. I was a high-income earner, but my income went down. Her lawyer asked for support payments based on the previous high income, not current low(er) income. I would WELCOME an equitable 50-50 split at this point. Had to argue to a judge that my income is permanently low; my previous high income was a temp job under extreme conditions.

[–]login_for_no_atheism 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Every time I come to this sub I remember to never get married

[–]fap_the_pain_away 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I personally would strongly consider murdering everyone involved in that story.

[–]draketton 1 point2 points  (1 child)

were you successful in convincing the judge?

[–]WeAreGlidingNow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Partially. Mixed bag. Still not too happy. It's a long story, but wife was also a high-income earner for a while, but decided to be unemployed while I was a high-income earner, to REALLY exploit the support guidelines (as in, she makes zero and I make solid six figures, when, in REALITY, it should be more even). Bitch and her dirty lawyer.

[–]ioncloud9 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I understand lawyers have to make a living but how do they rationalize screwing somebody over that badly?

[–]WeAreGlidingNow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

how do they rationalize screwing somebody over that badly?

"It's just business, not personal." Ex-wife had a rich mom who would pay her legal bills. I wanted to settle out-of-court, but wife was a greedy, bitter woman who wanted a Clown Car Fire Drill courtroom show. She had an unethical lawyer tell her that she's entitled to the Sun, Moon, and Stars, and can essentially retire at age 39 at my expense. Vicious cycle. Both parties telling each other they can have more, and more, and more. No incentive to settle. Judge was a sane man, but still had to do his duty to rape me on behalf of state laws.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this is how murders happen. Smdh...

[–]yummyluckycharms 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Its good that you recognize that it wasnt your fathers fault for the divorce. Unemployment is perhaps the biggest stress on relationships, and to be frank, it will be very hard for an older person to find work - regardless of his talents.

If you can and are able to, encourage him to start a new chapter of his life by moving away from where he is now. It will be easier for him mentally - new surroundings = new mindset. Also, by selling the house, liquidating anything that he doesnt really need (because of the filtering process that relocating provides), he can raise a good deal of cash and adjust better.

The worst thing that can happen to him is that he divorces, stays in the same environment, sees the same mental triggers, and becomes depressed because he remembers the life that he used to have.

[–]imaRPman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agree - A man always needs a plan.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 22 points23 points  (15 children)

This is kind of sad.

She probably thinks that in her 50's, she can attract a better man? She has no idea that she sailed past the wall 20-30 years ago. Maybe she'll get someone to fuck her, but the odds of landing a 'good man' for her are zero right now.

Middle aged and older women getting divorced is a major screw up on their part. This goes double if their husband is unemployed at the time, because that will lower any alimony award (and child support is probably off the table, with any kids being grown and gone.)

[–]redpillmofo 22 points23 points  (14 children)

The thing is she doesn't need a better man. Daddy state is going to make sure that she gets at least half her husband's stuff anyway. She's got nothing to lose. The only reason this dried up old bag can even consider leaving her husband is because the state makes sure that she won't end up in the gutter by doing so.

That's what makes these divorces so perverse, they allow women to give in to their whimsical desires without any negative consequences whatsoever. 30 years marriage, loyal husband, good provider, father of my kids? Who gives a shit, I don't like him anymore. Give me half his shit. How do these people live with themselves?

[–]yummyluckycharms 6 points7 points  (13 children)

Dont be angry at the woman - she is just being true to her nature. It is who they are, what they are. Expecting women to be different and to be closer to some disney archetype is like waking up and expecting the sky to be neon green - not going to happen.

[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's all benefit and absolutely no downside, I'd do it too. It's like giving away free money at the bank to anyone who asks, free and clear forever.

Most women get praised and rewarded even further for doing it too. YOU GOO GURRL ruin his life!!

If I offered you 1000$ right now for doing nothing would you accept it?

[–]yummyluckycharms 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Slight twist on your example to make it closer to the divorce example

If you offered me 1000 dollars for doing nothing, BUT I knew that you couldn't afford to give me that 1k, would I accept it?

Answer is no because I know that you need that money more than I do. Would women do the same - probably not because the inner hamster would be jusifying it as you wouldnt be offering me the money if it was a problem.

In case you dont think this is accurate, when you are on your next date, pay attention to other couples that are probably on their first date. Sometimes you'll see a guy trying to impress a girl, and maybe the dinner is too expensive for him. There has been zero instances in which I see the woman offer to go dutch...zero....zippo.

[–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Fuck that. That level of selfishness and disregard for other human beings is not true to her nature. Even if it is, women are perfectly capable of gaining awareness of themselves like we do here.

[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Willingness to do something, and the ability to do something, are two separate things.

[–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I don't think women are beyond self-awareness. They have the capacity for logic. They just choose not to use it and society let's them get away with it.

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (3 children)

actually, one could argue that they are being VERY logical. After all, the divorce game offers a healthy payout for those that choose to play it.

[–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Then that would just make them evil. I don't think they're like that either. I think for the most part they are severely misguided and simply follow their feelings. It doesn't help that there are hordes of beta men to fall back on.

The lack of self-awareness is rampant among both men and women and is the real problem.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hmm....I would say calling them evil to be extreme, much like calling a lion that eats a gazelle to be cruel would be extreme. Both are doing what they do best - a women is going to follow briffaults law just as lion his going to follow its stomach.

In many ways, the hard wiring of women is a good thing - good thing for the species as it will always ensure that her offspring are taken care of, and its good for men because it makes women very predictable. If you lose your job, she goes off swinging to the next guy. What makes things hard is that men in the west are brainwashed to think that this wont happen - and when it does they get angry.

[–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except lions aren't people and don't have consciousness. They have an excuse. Women don't. Women could learn about briffault's law if they wanted too.

Men have certain traits hardwired into us. To provide and protect. I recognize the urge now and do my best to curb it because it's not in my best interest.

I don't necessarily think unchecked hypergamy is a good thing. Yes, hypergamy has been a driving force of civilization but the cost is too great. The civilization we have today was built on the backs of millions of enslaved men throughout history. Rulers who commanded other men to obey them or face death.

I truly believe they did this to gain women's favor and in the vain hope that they would be satisfied. But they never are and the cycle just repeats itself over and over again because people lack self-awareness.

The world we have today just makes no sense to me. I would have much rather lived in a simpler time where I learned to depend on myself and the trusted company of fellow men.

[–]redpillmofo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I read this argument a lot on TRP but I don't agree with it. Just because something is in your nature does not mean you have to give in to it. That's why we have something called civilization.

When my dog has to shit he's likely to do it on my carpet unless I teach him to do it outside. If I don't teach him he'll shit on my carpet every time. It's in his nature, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be rectified.

[–]yummyluckycharms 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The dog is forced to not pee on your carpet because the repercussions of doing so (your displeasure, spanking, etc) makes it not want to risk it.

There are zero repercussions for women to play the divorce game or hypergamy. In fact, they are rewarded for it.

[–]Birdoftruth -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yea, girls with higher levels of thinking have better boundaries to contain humans natural instincts.

[–]Malinois 68 points69 points  (11 children)

"You want loyalty? Get a dog." -Me

[–]TheMenAreWavering 58 points59 points  (1 child)

You want a dog? get a woman - My father

[–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Eat with me if you're hungry dog, but then again, how loyal is a hungry dog? That same hunger makes a dog, eat you alive, you either starve to death, or you eat to survive." - Fabolous

[–]traveling_morgue 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"I know these hoes like a pimp scholar." - Montana of 300

[–]surfjihad 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Gordon Gekko? You're on reddit?

[–]jjakers88 5 points6 points  (5 children)

"Only thing a a woman has over a dog is sex and not shitting on the couch" - A wise man

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (4 children)

They don't shed either. And they can even get a job if you work things right.

[–]WAFC 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They don't shed either.

Have you ever seen a woman's bathroom?

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't shed either.

Maybe one of the most untrue statements I've read on reddit today.

[–]t21spectre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This goes for companionship. Dogs never bitch, complain, or nag either. And are happy as fuck to see you every time you come home.

[–]1renzy77 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Three months ago, my Father lost his job, and has been unable to find another one. My Mother is fed up with this arrangement, is sick of having to work "over 30 hours a week" (whilst still making less than quarter of what he made).

One point the red-pill really helped me understand was just how opportunistic women's "love" is. That part in the wedding vows about "for richer for poorer"... that's directed at women. Traditional societies knew how women's love can magically disappear when the money stops rolling in...

[–]netgrey 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's pretty much all directed at her. In sickness and in health doesn't mean run away as soon as he breaks frame because he's on his back for a couple months recovering.

Think about the social pressure that would have existed in marriage 1.0, women were expected to be virgins or no white dress in front of her family. The guests were there to shame her if she strayed or thought of divorce.

She knew society would look down on bastard children and single moms wouldn't have a support network and laws to support them. The kids would go to the dad. Fuck you she would divorce except in the most extreme circumstances.

None of those checks exist anymore and the ceremony just is there to inflate her ego more.

[–]NoTifuToday 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Married for 30 years means she's 50+ now. This leaves her SMV somewhere below absolute zero, and soon she will realize her options are to stick around or be alone.

Your dad on the other side may still raise a new family with some asian golddigger. Divorce is emotionally devastating, but in the end he might get the way better deal than he has now.

Im 50+ myself, and the amount of females my age not understanding my complete lack of attraction to them is mindboggling.

[–]yummyluckycharms 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Funny you mentioned that. A british article a while back was writing as to why older men were basically ignoring similarly aged women. Most common responses were that they were boring, followed by unattractive.

[–]jcrpta 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Don't blame them.

I'm 35; if I divorce my wife there is no way I'm going to be dating 35 year old women.

They'll likely already have kids and the kids will be their life; I'll always be second place to them.

Any woman in her mid-30s who doesn't have kids likely has baby rabies so hard that any mention of being on the pill should be taken with a pinch of salt; either that or issues (mental or physical) that will combine make her thoroughly twisted. Avoid at all costs.

[–]elrayem 7 points8 points  (0 children)

incorporate this concept into shaming your mom's behavior. IE help your dad out with Dread game --- tell her she's past her prime and will never find a man as good as your father, she might find men that will user her and leaver her, but she'll die alone if she keeps this feeding this line of thought -- because you will never honor her once she betrays the family -- it only ends one way for her -- and its not good.

[–]denmaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 50 plus and they all remind me of my grandma. I'm still targeting 20 and 30-somethings. There's no way I'm getting with my grandma.

[–]magus678 17 points18 points  (3 children)

At this point I have to think of marriage as a business deal.

When you factor in the ridiculous amount of money marriage costs you on the whole, it's hard not to simply hire a maid, spin plates, etc.

Hell it's rare enough anymore to even find a girl that will cook consistently, let alone one that takes care of herself and doesn't nag you with bullshit all the time.

[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Men need to realize what they are doing.

Caveat Emptor

Marry a woman who makes more than you!!

[–]1cover20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No need to use a throwaway to say this. Rational financial planning is red-pill in my opinion.

[–]andres7832 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think this will be the next shift in men's rationale, at least the ones who have seen the light. Marriage is a financial transaction, a contract enforced by the government and courts.

The sooner men realize this the better, so they can make an informed decision. If they decide to get married, they should do so knowing the possibilities if it going bad. Its too bad that marriages happen at the "peak" of a relationship hoping to continue to capture that magic for the rest of their lives.

[–][deleted]  (4 children)

[deleted]

    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    With all those labor saving devices present in even lower middle-class homes, and the prevalence of obesity of stay at home moms in western nations, you have to start laughing at the idea that mothering in Western nations is "hard" in any way whatsoever.

    Yes, the coal-miners of China weep at the difficulties faced by the mothers in San Diego....

    [–]czatara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Necessary reference: http://youtu.be/Hitc8haEu_g

    [–]AlfaWolf 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    Make sure you support your father. It can be very hard on a man to be stabbed like this when he's down. Women, that's what they do.

    [–]rossiFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This right fucking here. Shoulder-to-shoulder with your Father.

    [–]justinsayin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Did anyone else notice that dad lost his job 3 months ago, but, apparently out of the blue, mom got herself a job a year ago?

    Seems like this unemployment was a convenient excuse for something she was already deciding beforehand.

    [–]RAGING_ERECTION 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    30 years or 30 days, it doesn't really matter. AWALT.

    A friend of mine had just started dating a girl he met on Tinder who I strongly suspected was a gold digger.

    As soon as she found out that he recently just got made redundant from his well paid job she was gone like the fucking wind.

    I feel bad for my friend but I couldn't help chuckle at what happened.

    [–]Faps2Down_Votes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Tinder

    Like it had a chance anyways.

    [–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    For an emotion-driven gender, women sure are coldly logical when it comes to picking and staying with a partner.

    [–]RobertCarraway 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You're touching on one of the core "EUREKA" realizations of RP man. Emotions are the product of epochs of successful chance quirks of personality. Each emotion is a monument to game theory and other fantastically complicated constructs of reality we are only beginning to understand objectively. Consider it a form of deep, time-tested logic.

    [–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    True, true. When did you last hear about a woman writing poetry to her lover? Or singing a song about how much she missed him after a messy breakup?

    Writing about how big an arsehole her ex is, yeah, sure, happens all the time.

    [–]asdfghjkltyu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Women will always see you as disposable. A friend of mine recently friend zoned himself hardcore with this girl. He done everything he could to be the nice guy, bought her gifts, spent weekends with her. He wasn't getting laid. This went on for a good six months and just when she just packed up and moved six hours away without even telling him.

    The point? You're just a stepping stone. Unless they're super invested they will just leave when they get a better option. The best thing to do is know it and embrace it.

    [–]sway_usa 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I would be sad, if it weren't so typical.

    [–]Ochreata 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It's sad because it is typical.

    [–]paracog 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I worked for a very successful property manager, who had provided his family with a huge house, half a block from the best synagogue in San Francisco, everything the best of the best. Had a heart attack, and his secretary, who I was friends with, let me know the whole time he was in the hospital he was terrified that his wife would leave him if he couldn't keep them in the same style. What a way to live.

    [–]RobertCarraway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What a way to live indeed. This is why we should all pick our wives (or SO's) very carefully. It's completely fucked that a man could kick that much ass in life and feel like he's on the rocks the moment he takes a breather.

    I, for one, would prefer to have a wife one HB point uglier who is grateful for everything I have given her.

    [–]1wantonton 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Have you made it clear to your mother what her leaving your father over this will do to the relationship between you and her?

    How much of a relationship would you have with your father if you found out he was violent rapist? This isn't so different.

    [–]hamsterbator 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Sorry Your mom is just a cunt. NAWALT

    My dads health has been waning over the years and my mom treats him like a king, massages him every day, has taken up brunt of all of the chores they used to do together. Bear in mind she was brought up very RP in Asia with a very poor upbringing.

    I also see lots of geriatric couples where more often than not the wife is usually taking care of husband (men die sooner).

    Maybe it is a lack of options to jump to but I think if you maintain a strong frame for long enough you can earn true love and devotion.

    At least, you could back in the day. My dad was her first and only real boyfriend. All bets are off with these western hoes who grow up in the age of the cock carousel.

    [–]jjakers88 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Call your mom out for the cunt she is and start hanging out with your dad. It will be good for both of you.

    [–]reddiforlove 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'd seen this happen enough times personally to know marriage wasn't for me at a very young age, still sucks to see it happen to undeserving men though.

    On the bright side, your father's marriage served its (primary) purpose. You were raised to adulthood in a two parent household. Now he can enjoy the rest of his life living for himself and not in a futile attempt to keep her happy.

    [–]bitches_be_crazy86 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    well your father made a mistake. And its twofold: A) getting married B) not saving money

    If you make 6 figures you can always invest some of it or you can create passive income (I know it's overused these days but it does make sense - there are easy ways to 100% legally invest money into something that can give you steady income for years)

    [–]ProductivityMonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    to be fair, he married at a time when things were more traditional and it's pretty hard to predict 30 years into the future.

    [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    He probably did save money -- in the family accounts, and buying things for the family.

    The question is, how much money can he keep in a divorce, and what can he do now to maximize his chances there? He must work that out before even giving any more hints.

    [–]bitches_be_crazy86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    By passive income I mean things like investing in something that will bring you steady income in the future, not saving money in bank. My friend invested a little in his YT account and now gets 400$ each month. Sure it's not much in itself but he also invested in online games and websites. Just choose something you're good at so you know what makes sense financially. You might as well rent property if that's your thing, or whatever else.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

    [deleted]

      [–]1cover20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      First Dad should see a divorce attorney to strategize and understand the situation. Then start working on Mom. In that order.

      [–]surfjihad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I want to give your dad a handshake and tell him it will be alright. And I want your mom to be ostracized for being ungrateful

      [–]Tarnsman4Life 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      AWALT dude AWALT. Your mother, your sisters, your aunts, grandmothers, nieces and cousins, All Women Are Like That. You lose your job, your fucking done with a woman if her SMV is anywhere near yours, period.

      It is a very rare woman who will stand by you when the chips are really down; they do exist but how much "down" they put up with is in relation to a lot of things, your SMV, how well you have maintained frame, etc.

      [–]imaRPman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Women are loyal when their is a good mix of Alpha/beta.

      This issue is your Dad is BB. He's risked his entire marriage on being BB only.

      If he had a good mix of Alpha/Beta it would have been easier to weather this storm.

      Several years ago my wife tossed out the D word a couple of time. I told her that divorce was not something she could choose. I would be the one telling her if/when she could divorce or not. That seemed to satisfy her and she has never mentioned it again.

      Right now your mother needs a huge amount of Alpha to keep her inline. Having the BB security removed is scary. Its very natural for women to test men.

      Comparing who's done what over the years is BS. Go try telling your boss what a great employee you were 3 yrs ago.

      Employed or not. If I'm out of a job and things do not look good. I will have a new plan and be executing on that plan. I lead, my wife follows. Period.

      [–]clone9786 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      My grandpa is 70 years old with MS. He is already divorced once, and one morning he woke up to find a note and that his wife took the car to their house in Florida, with the divorce papers sent in the mail. AWALT.

      [–]Dubiousxy 7 points8 points  (9 children)

      He failed in the first place by setting the expectation of himself as the provider. When he couldn't live up to those expectations she wanted out.

      Never give them access to your finances Never let them totally retire from working Never give them everything

      [–]JACKDOGBOB 2 points3 points  (8 children)

      I honestly wouldnt feel comfortable with my wife in the workforce because it would most likely lead to infidelity. At the same time, I do agree the man should control the finances.

      [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      Then you have the wrong wife or the wrong relationship. You are bribing her every day not to cheat on you, by providing everything to her.

      [–]Glenwalk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think this can be remedied by having her in a female dominated workplace. An elementary school teacher for instance is mostly surrounded by children and adult women. The few males there might orbit/provide validation, but aren't going to be giving her tingles.

      The added benefit of 70k/year is worth the small additional risk of infidelity, and will make child/spousal support substantially less should divorce ever take place.

      [–]login_for_no_atheism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is a really insecure mindset. I wouldn't have a relationship with someone I felt this way about.

      [–]Upvote_To_The_Left 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      you should avoid building theories off of your parents dude. it's weird, and toxic.

      ignore the dynamic between them, it can make you bitter and resentful. focus on bettering yourself and use the red pill theories in your own relationships.

      i'm sorry your parents are splitting. that can be hard. dont draw your mom out to be a cunt. try to love them both equally. after all, they're your fucking parents.

      [–]Garathon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      She does seem like a cunt though. It would only be fair if she actually got consequences for her selfish actions.

      [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Blue pill society thinks women are loyal.

      Players who eventually wife some broad up think female loyalty can be earned.

      Traditionalists think their loyalty can be bought (though they won't use that term themselves).

      They are all wrong.

      Female loyalty can only be rented

      [–]Pm_MeyourManBoobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Spend time with your dad. Men are really important to talk to when getting a divorce. Tell him to get a lawyer asap and not to say one word to your mom until that happens!

      [–]Beardsman2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      So help you dad out, you know you can fix this right? Tell your mum she's full of shit, ungrateful, that your disappointed with her etc and make it known that if shes leaving your dad she's leaving you too. If she's a normal mother and not a psychopath she'll do just about anything for her kids.

      My mum angry with dad for the first time really because he started smoking, he left the house for like 4 days. I basically told her she was an idiot, dad can smoke if he wants to, don't be such a bitch, little bro did the same... just made it clear that she was wrecking her relationship with us and he was back the same night, no problems since.

      [–]_fappycamper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Also need to work with your dad to raise his SMV. Telling mom she is a bitch will just delay this. She will hamster at it and find a reason to divorce dad anyway. Or she will suffer in silence living with a man lower SMV than her.

      [–]VancouverSucks 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      My mom left my dad because he didn't help out planning birthday parties and shit like that..he was too busy making over 100k a year.. My mom met some loser who moved in with her and quit his job once he realized how much money my dad was sending my mom..my dad ended up supporting his ex and her new deadbeat..in fuckin real..now the dead beat is gone after stealing most of mom's money...I was too young to deal with this situation.its almost like my dad enjoyed the role of providing for everyone.. I learned so much from this...seeing my dad do everything that society thinks is right and then ending up living in a shitty apartment while my mom gets the house.. Now my mom complains about how hard her life is..being all alone.

      [–]denmaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I thought the alimony stopped when the woman remarried.

      [–]MightyTaint 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Well, at least your father left your family in an abundance of periods.

      [–]VancouverSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Lol . this sub has more grammar nazis then expected.

      [–]zhu_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      3 months unemployed hmmm....

      my dad is unemployed for 3 years. lol.

      [–]fasterpussycatdie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Jesus Christ.

      Part of me wants to unload about your mom, but she's still your mom. I second, third, and fourth the posts recommending you go nuclear on her though.

      Stick with your dad, and give him all the support you can.

      [–]lubeoil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Go to divorce court and stand against your mother.

      [–]balalasaurus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      One thing that strikes me about stories like this is the line women use - "I've been raising kids and taking care of the house for X years".

      For centuries women have been taking care of their families. Since feminism, it's now come to be viewed as a 'remunerable task'. And not only that, it's a task that somehow seems to equate to and overshadow every other providing task a man does.

      Save people from fires on the regular? Cooking and cleaning is still harder. Be part of MSF helping blind underprivileged kids see again? Child-rearing and domestic work is harder. Head a multi-national corporation responsible for the livelihoods of thousands of people? Housework is still harder.

      How long until women realize that as far as 'housework' is concerned, a nanny/ maid presents a more cost-effective, less stressful solution? Or is that just wishful thinking?

      [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Women realize it just fine. The problem is getting them to admit it.

      [–]j-coordinate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Women's behaviour is truly sickening.

      [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Tell your dad to start putting accounts in his name only. He needs an early warning to start putting affairs in order. He should see a divorce attorney now, before she does, so he knows what he can and should do.

      Also you and your brother will probably be asked about custody, if you're still at home. If you select dad, then mom won't be able to get CS at least.

      At this point it's all about the money. And if dad gets control of some of the money, mom might even gain attraction back to him, because now he's got something she doesn't control.

      [–]Pm_MeyourManBoobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      First thing my lawyer said to me. Divorce is about money. If you want to talk feelings go see a therapist.

      [–]icanhazTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If she's the sole breadwinner, shouldn't SHE pay alimony for your dad?

      Make her think about it, man.

      [–]bloodshot_eyes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yep. The beta-bux strategy is like being the horse in Animal Farm.

      [–]bepdub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      So for the next 30 years your mom should work her ass off and provide for your father while he sits around and enjoys his hobbies.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You should call your dad today and tell him how important it was for you and your brother that your dad worked so hard to support you all those years. I would do the same thing I have done with my mother: I have not spoken with her in almost 2 years. No reason.

      [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The recession let me know what my marriage's vows were worth.

      She couldn't get her mani/pedi/latte/spa time any more. Literally, that was about all that changed. Less money going into savings but everything else covered. Nope, not good enough. Divorce.

      Hope to find a granola that doesn't care about money.

      tl;dr married a plate when the economy was good, she left when the economy went sour.

      [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Back in the 1800's they were not naive about women.

      They knew that women must be kept as second class citizens or you would get Hypergamy that would destroy your civilization.

      So if this were the 1800's the wife of 30 years "might" leave, but she would not get cash prizes on the way out and would end up in worse shape than before.

      There was no "Divorce Rape" until 1970.

      We've gotten dumber over the years, but the truth never changes.

      [–]pupplenupple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He reckons that he worked for 30 years while I didn't provide at all, so 3 months is not a big deal.

      Does he want to preserve the marriage? He's got to lose that attitude for a bit if he wants to preserve the marriage.

      From her perspective it is a huge thing, as big as it would be for him if he had to take up a job selling vacuum cleaners door to door and learning cold call selling skills and making quota after a lifetime in manufacturing. She's having to take up new behaviors and face new challenges, and in one's fifties and after a lifetime doing the one job that isn't always easy. Neuroplasticity reduces as people age, particularly if they have lived an undemanding life without much change.

      And then there's the fact she's probably coming home after work to see the house being kept in a way that isn't her way. And that she's probably defined herself this past 30 years as supporting him in his job. Now she's the one in the job and she's not feeling supported.

      Of course it tastes bitter to her. So bitter she's about to spit the whole situation out. He needs to sweeten it

      And more on that neuroplasticty thing. She's making new connections in her brain and breaking old ones because she is in a different environment with different demands. How she sees him right now is going to colour everything

      [–]pastrie300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Do it. Tell her off. All people need to be reminded of what they've done.

      [–]mstersmith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      My mom pulled the same shit when I was much younger. I haven't spoken to her in almost 18 years.

      [–]StasisNation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      A think a better thing to take away from this is the following statement:

      "To keep a 9, you must be a 9". -Whoever

      Etc etc etc. I notice there's not much talk in this sub about "settling", but let's face it. We both do it. The difference is, when we want to upgrade/move on, it's "nexting". when a woman does, she's a X derogatory and is a total bitch.

      The fact is, we're both human, and we both have expectations. While I'd certainly say girls are beginning to have an overinflated ego (a 6 thinking they're an 8), the fact is we're dating/marrying people for who they are. Love is just a feeling that has a multitude of faucets, but it is certainly not eternal. If a woman is marrying you for your money/safety/security, you are NOT the same person once you lose those things, and you have a limited time to regain them before they start looking again.

      We do this too. Except, we next when they get too bitchy/crazy/lazy/fat/generally worthless. To us, they are no longer the 9 we wanted. Like it or not, we'll both rationalize trivial to completely legit reasons to get the fuck out of relationship.

      Society also plays a part here, which is the point I want to make the most. How many dads/husbands walk out on their wives when they lose their jobs/become old/etc? Much, much less, but I'd say rather limited to the top 10% of men by our standards. It's completely unacceptable for us to leave for the same reasons women do, but there is zero reason this should be so. A marriage is a relationship between two people, and when one of them stops holding their weight, the relationship and the obligation has changed, for lack of better terms. I personally think more men should initiate divorces, but if statistics tell us anything, roughly 80% of men in a marriage are bitches (Hey, just like alphas/betas).

      Want to keep that smoking hot, smart head on her shoulders hot assed 9/10? You have to commit to being that alpha breadwinning leader for the rest of your life.

      Honestly? Something to take away from this is not all marriages are like this. If AWALT is true, then it stands to reason a woman won't leave you if you continue to be a 9/10.

      Women who hit the wall try to find a provider when they can no longer attract 9/10's. Guys don't have this issue. If you're worried about a woman leaving you, you're worried about fucking up later if life. Don't, and don't. Settle for a 7/10 who knows his/her place if you have to.

      [–]williamwilliam2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Good reminder of AWALT. I bet she has females around her telling her to divorce. My wife had co-workers telling her to divorce even though they never met me and we have four young children. I read my wife's skype conversations and her friends like to comment on how much of a monster I am, etc. etc, although never meeting me in person. I'm numb to it now, although I have made it clear that some of her friends can not set foot in my house when I am there. I used to think my father was cruel when he did that years ago, but now I understand.

      [–]MightyTaint 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      You have problems if your wife is still friends with these people and allowing such negative conversation about you, regardless of whether they're around when you are.

      [–]zettl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      my dad was unemployed for two years. my mom quit her low paying job that she loved to find something with a better salary while my dad was constantly looking for work, unable to find anything for the longest time. there was never any talk of her leaving him. your mom sounds like a nasty person, but not all women are like that

      in b4 "there are exceptions to every rule"

      [–]thebluepillsucked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      All that needs to be said about this situation "Good Riddance"

      [–]rockoverchicago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Because cooking a meal and a little extra for another person is such hard work...

      [–]piatti_rotanti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      [–]ShangoThor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I am sorry you are dealing with this in your family. Cant imagine how you feel about an impending divorce of your parents.

      However, something isn't right here. 30 yrs of marriage doesn't dissolve in 3 months of unemployment.

      Odds are there were structural errors in the marriage that were ignored.

      All the best man.

      [–]PlusGoody 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Here's how you live with this possibility in marriage. Get yours everyday, don't bank it up in hopes she'll pay it back someday. Maybe she will, maybe she won't want to, maybe a cab will run you over tomorrow.

      [–]chadchadington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Fucking sad, man. This stuff breaks my heart.

      IF [AWALT] THEN[GTFO] ELSE[STFU]

      [–]phillip42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Damn I can only imagine how much it sucks to actively seeing RP truths in your own mother. But at the same time that HAS to seal the AWALT idea in your mind.

      [–]bustanutmeow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So what are you going to do?

      [–]_fappycamper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I recently moved back in with my parents. Their relationship has significantly deteriorated ever since I moved out 7 years ago. My mom has been nagging my dad constantly about every little thing. I talked to her one on one and asked her what was up. She told me that he disrespected her once publicly in front of his employees. (They own a business together) I told her it is not ok to nag him over and over for that one incident. Instead talk to him about what is bothering her. She didn't agree with me but promised that she would stop doing it in front of me.

      This is all post my RP awakening so I saw straight through their relationship. I knew that it wasn't just that one incident my mom mentioned, but my dad's declining SMV that causes her to nag and bitch.

      Naturally she didn't keep her promise, so I started siding with my dad on most arguments and even called my mom out in front of him for her shitty behavior.

      I have noticed the bickering died down over the past week.

      My suggestion to you is to shame your mom (only if you truly believe she is in the wrong here) which will hopefully delay the divorce. Meanwhile make your dad go gym and look for a job. Not really sure this will work, but you owe it to your parents to try.

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      She's definitely going to regret that decision. At her age, she'll be lucky to find someone to allow her to suck them off.

      Yeah. She'll have half of his shit. But what is she going to do with it? She's stupid for thinking this is a good idea this late in the game.

      [–]_you_cant_say_that 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm worried about my Father. He is very skilled at his job, but the industry (skilled manufacturing) is dead in this country.

      There needs to be a "The Red Pill: Jobs edition"

      [–]yeahweewee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Typical son, too much of a pussy do to anything about it and complains to reddit

      [–]bigbuzd1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I learned that the hard way, as well. Had back surgery and within a year I was divorced and she was with Mr Beta Bucks from India.

      [–]walkingthelinux -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

      Wow this sounds bad - but there's always more than one side to a story.

      Before I took sides on general principle; I'd want to know her side.

      It is possible that she has been suffering in silence about major flaws in their relationship, but she stuck it out because at least he was financially stable.

      If it turns out that it's typical AWALT, then I would freeze her out like others her have suggested.

      [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      He's working 90 hours a week? Any major flaws are not his fault unless he was cheating.

      [–]dj10show 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      But when is there any actual time for a relationship when you're working 2.25 times the amount of a normal work week?