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[–]Thagros 153 points154 points  (13 children)

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Great fucking work, OP.

I find it remarkable that despite everything this subreddit has to teach us, there are still morons commenting that you handled this wrong; that she "disrespected you", that she needs to be punished, or you should have gone with the Latina girl.

I suspect that these are the Iron John anachronistic twats. The ones who mistake keeping a woman on a short, authoritarian leash, with masculine power. What could be more powerful than demonstrating to a woman that you have options, so that she pursues you?

[–]Hardparty 21 points22 points  (2 children)

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path of least resistance worked perfectly, no reason for anything complicated. you're right

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    [–]dawg826 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Path of least physical resistance means plowing through emotional resistance, the more difficult of the two.

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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      I am not sure confidence can be faked? I am new to RP

      You had a good "Fuck yeah!" vibe going until you wimped out with your last line... It was like your mom came into the room and your balls fell off.

      [–]dman8000 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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      It depends on the relationship.

      He is in a casual relationship, so he handled the situation perfectly.

      If they were in a serious LTR though, that would have been a terrible way to deal with it.

      [–]1independentmale 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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      If they were in a serious LTR though, that would have been a terrible way to deal with it.

      I disagree. He showed her that he has options and she is easily replaceable. That's the way to handle it regardless of the relationship: Be casual, don't give a fuck and get on with your life.

      What are you going to do with your LTR if she pulls this? Get all up in her business? Call her out in front of the dude and make a scene about how she's "your girl?" I don't own my LTR, if she misbehaves, that's on her. I'm just going to do me and when she comes running back, I'll decide whether to take her back or not depending on the extent of her misbehavior.

      [–]elchoma90 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah. If my LTR pulled this shit I'd do what he did but go with the Latina instead. Why? Because no LTR material pulls that shit. If she does, she's not LTR material and should be disposed of accordingly.

      [–]__ROOSTER__ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Even in a LTR I think he did the right thing in the moment. Later, the next day, I would state my displeasure at being disrespected in the proper frame for the relationship.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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      Getting your dick wet isn't everything, I for one value my self-respect ten fold over some hoochie hoe that jumps from bro to bro. So many of you "alphas" are just pussy beggars, begging at the supper table for pussy scraps. No alpha would allow himself to be treated like a beta fag for a simple piece of pussy.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      I'm really interested in this response. Can you extrapolate?

      [–]Assaultman67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I definitely agree.

      I think a lot can be said about demonstrating your dominance in subtle manner.

      Being outwardly dominant and confrontational all the time is a sign of insecurity in itself.

      [–]CapnZack53 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I agree. This was awesome. But I'm curious if this is a passive action. Nothing against that because it was clear proof that it worked. I'm aware I have a lot to learn which is all I'm doing when I ask.

      [–]raceAround126 78 points79 points  (11 children)

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      This is remarkably similar to an episode I had in uni. I was dating this girl and one fine evening she started dancing and grinding on some rugby dude. But we were at boyfriend girlfriend stage.

      Anyway I thought nothing of it and followed a similar line to you. It backfired and 30 minutes later she had left with him.

      Next morning she turned up like nothing happened and even tried to convince me of the same. Her bestest girl friend even showed up soon after to back up the story. She was amazed when I told her to fuck off...

      [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

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      you certainly took the right option there.

      [–]lesbianDREAMS 17 points18 points  (6 children)

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      we were at boyfriend girlfriend stage
      started dancing and grinding on some rugby dude
      30 minutes later she had left with him

      Wtf? How long were you guys going out for?

      Her bestest girl friend even showed up soon after to back up the story.

      lol, way to make it even more obvious.

      [–]raceAround126 22 points23 points  (5 children)

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      Two months of non exclusive (read her non exclusive, I was busy studying)

      Then she said she wanted to go exclusive with me and in fairness we got on well and the sex was awesome.

      Then a month later this went down.

      I was almost buying her bullshit story until her friend showed up randomly. Her excuse wad that the guy was sad because his brother died and needed some emotional support.

      Yeah the amount of times I've been in clubs dancing with a total stranger and suddenly need to get all emotional... About zero.

      I like to say I was complete blue pill with a natural spattering of red... Getting redder all the time

      [–]lesbianDREAMS 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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      Jesus I just don't understand why she would try to hamster grinding a random guy at a club. I'd be angry if I didn't hear about this crap so often.

      [–]raceAround126 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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      Simple. She thought I was a sucker and would take her shit.

      And in fairness, bluey me almost did.

      Almost!

      [–]jacobman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      Oh yeah, give me that nice sweet emotional support baby

      [–]raceAround126 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      It's a line I've not thought of trying... ya know, random girl comes up to dance and grind on you. New tactic, start sobbing about a dead brother and she'll take you someplace nice to cry...

      Or more likely, her saying "I know we're exclusive, but just this once..."

      I recently broke up from a long term relationship with a terminally dead bedroom. It's odd how that's brought back all these deep seeded resentments about how beta I was and how women generally doormatted me. As did a fair few of my friends (the time I spent all evening working on a girl, buying drinks, and my buddy swooped in and snatched her. I got the pleasure of listening to them fuck all night in the next room and had to somehow come out in the morning and make smalltalk with them both...)

      Come to think of it... don't think I've ever had real friends... damn!

      [–]jacobman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      women generally doormatted me

      Sorry to hear that. I'm sure you've heard it enough by now, but women only doormat you if you let them.

      1) Be comfortable without relationships/women.

      2) Work on improving yourself. Don't neglect improving your career because that takes the longest and is most important. Get fit. Learn to be more humorous. It's an invaluable skill.

      3) Don't let yourself be taken advantage of by women or your friends. You can find new friends too. Be active with testing the waters with girls you might be interested in.

      If you do those things you'll have a lot less problems with women and life.

      [–]MartialWay 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      Anyway I thought nothing of it and followed a similar line to you. It backfired and 30 minutes later she had left with him.

      Next morning she turned up like nothing happened

      What did she say to the hot latin girl you were in bed with?

      [–]raceAround126 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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      That's where our stories differ. I didn't pull (or try to).

      [–]MartialWay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      It's a big difference.

      Anyway I thought nothing of it and followed a similar line to you.

      It wasn't that similar.

      [–]FindMitch 117 points118 points  (3 children)

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      dont fight for her. she is really just another plate, unremarkable, replaceable. apply the dread game if needed. in due time, everything you do will convey to women that they need you more than you need them. this gives you power.

      we can't control everything. we can't control if a super star wide receiver comes in and dances with your girl. he's more physically attractive than you and probably has a lot more money than you. but he may never know the things you know.

      [–]afcpoop 28 points29 points  (0 children)

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      That last paragraph is powerful

      [–]mozeiny[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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      amen brother.

      [–]xiko 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      He didn't. He went to another girl. Isn't that like some form of dread game for her?

      [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 28 points29 points  (13 children)

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      Ha, the finish on this is one of my weak points... Here is the dilemma I face:

      Say she comes back and all of a sudden ditches the guy because she doesn't want to risk a potential long term thing for a short term fling. So she starts getting all cute and hanging all over me. The problem is, I am actually still pissed. Still a little pissed that she did that in the first place, but mostly pissed that she returned thinking it was no big deal and I shouldn't care. I don't want to give her any attention after that. Plus I am now talking to two other chicks and having a good time.

      Why should I just take her back after that move? So I just don't want to flirt with her or let her hang on me any more simply because she came back? Which comes off as sort of jealous and pissed off, which the pissed off part is true to an extent -- it's definitely shaking my frame.

      Dunno, still something I'm working on.

      [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 27 points28 points  (11 children)

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      Two perspectives. Do you see her as a ho or a GF?

      If she's a ho, then you don't blame her for being a ho. Hos move towards shiny things and attractive dick, that is their nature that you choose to put up with in order to enjoy their bodies while they are in their prime. In this case, so what? Punish her with some rough sex and just interpret this as a ho needing a reminder of why you are the dick inside of her and not these other club bros. Just grab her away from the dude, physically move her, and view it as a game. Or decide there's hotter hos around, your call.

      If she's your GF, then you know what to do. Next that bitch immediately - If there was an understood assumption of monogamy and she is shaking her ass on someone elses dick, then cut her out. Don't even waste time trying to make her jealous.

      The problem I would imagine is not that you do not know what to do, but you do not categorize your women in a binary fashion. For a girl in between a ho and a oneitis, the type of girl who you like and feel could be a GF, but you can tell she has too much hamster in her to ever be a real mate... that is when it is tricky to know what to do. Early on just evaluate and decide whether she is LTR potential or a hookup, and then act accordingly.

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        [–]__ROOSTER__ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        Actually no Dom worth his salt would need to physically move his woman. First she wouldn't be disrespecting him in the first place, second nothing but a look or a signal should be required if you've done your job.

        But agreed grabbing her would be stupid IMO.

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          [–]__ROOSTER__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Many different.

          everyone builds using a model you would hope works for both people.

          If you're interested see 50s household, Taken in Hand, Domestic Discipline, etc. all have a different take on D/s

          But basically respect would be the cornerstone of a D/s relationship in most cases. Don't get me wrong, there are beta "Doms" who are actually letting the supposed sub run the relationship. But that's play acting D/s

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          I would bet my life that you haven't actually ever done it. 99% of guys won't fight over a girl, they will talk shit maybe, but not do shit. You can care about what you are "showing", but in the club, its about results. Also the girl will only make a scene / resist if you never were going to fuck her anyway. If she won't let you move her, then it was done anyway, so who cares what her reaction is.

          [–]Idrinkjdbythegallon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I probably won't throw down for a girl, unless she's being assaulted, but I'll tune someone up for disrespecting me

          [–]1BadgerBurger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          grab her away from the dude

          This will lead to him getting kicked out. She could make a scene, bouncer recognizes a problem, dude gets bounced. Then it's just her and McAlphaDick.

          [–]InflatableRaft 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          For a girl in between a ho and a oneitis, the type of girl who you like and feel could be a GF, but you can tell she has too much hamster in her to ever be a real mate... that is when it is tricky to know what to do. Early on just evaluate and decide whether she is LTR potential or a hookup, and then act accordingly.

          Could you possibly expand on this, with respect to early LTR screening techniques and evaluation methods?

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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          It is basically the same as at a certain point in your career, you will realize you are screening the company/role more than the interviewers are screening you. If I'm applying to 5 different but similar companies, all for the same hypothetical salary, what am I going to look for? Long term growth potential, red / green flags, culture, etc. In your needy phase (when you are out of college and need a good starting salary) you are basically screening opportunities by "can I feasibly get it?"

          This is how most betas will screen for GFs. Can I get her? What is her attractiveness aka how cool will I feel with her? There is only a quantitative analysis of the situation, not a qualitative, the same way I can tell a college student I will pay them 55k a year to work for me at X company, and despite knowing nothing about it, a solid majority would say "Yes."

          The problem is, however, girls can hide their qualitative properties very well occasionally, meaning you have to give all girls a healthy plate phase to try her out, the same way a company uses unpaid interns, hires the best one, and drops the other 20. I realized that no matter how wonderful she seems, you need to go through the plate phase, because unlike with work, there is no way to access information about she operates.

          During this time, you have to test for about 3 main things. #1 Laziness is the main one - if she is lazy mentally or physically, you can never help her improve at anything, it won't work. I check to see how she views her work - is she passionate or does she hate it? Does she have ambition?

          2 Her social life. Is she a leader or follower in her social circle, and is her social circle a bunch of hamsters? For example, you meet a female grad student, seems perfect, she is driven, beautiful, smart, but still caught in her sorority days. She hangs out with 22 year olds who graduated but still hang around their old college parties. Worst of all, she is a follower, meaning she does what the more dominant women in her group deem she should do, because she is lonely and wants friend-approval. Very quickly, you will realize this girl is mentally lazy, reliant on other girls to do her thinking, and will choose loyalty to them over you no matter how solid you might be.

          3 - feminine qualities. I don't even mean is she feminine or not, although that is important, but how does she SEE femininity. A lot of girls I know hate it, they hate the idea that they are weaker, they hate that they love being objectified, they experience cognitive dissonance when they try to be submissive. They may not act like stubborn dickheads with penis envy, but they subtly have come to associate female qualities negatively. I don't want to or have time to reprogram all of that. I am happy to help her get into a more feminine role, that comes naturally. But if a woman has a thought pattern like "submissive women are made that way by society, so I have to be extra bullheaded and assertive to be taken seriously" I cannot fix that. Especially on a smart woman, she will have the mental power to out-rationalize anything I could do to shatter her delusions.

          [–]Idrinkjdbythegallon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          This is good job advice. I became successful myself and started doing consulting. Companies and people that had turned me down were begging for my time. I took a meeting the other day and was offered basically the CEO/ director ofoperations position they asked me how much I wanted. I didn't want the job so I said 10 million jokingly. Its a 5m/yr businesses so jokingly illogical. "If you make us 100" and boom I know I'm now worth 10℅ of revenue. If I wanted the job I would have pushed to 15℅

          [–]snwborder52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          One, let go of the anger. Maintain frame.

          Two, use the opportunity to set boundaries. Tell her that her actions are unacceptable.

          If she does it again, deliberately crossing boundaries you have set, next her.

          I disagree with drrrr as there's no reason to next a girl who may think that's acceptable behavior. Especially if this is a new relationship and this is how she's acted with BFs in the past. You have to teach them

          .If she knows is unacceptable and does it anyway, she doesn't respect you and it's time to move on.

          [–]PrinceofEden23 160 points161 points  (26 children)

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          Girls love making their men jealous, its like gives them a natural high or something. If your girl is attempting to flirt with a guy while your there best course is to ignore her, that drives women CRAZY, feed her attention and she'll know she's got you hooked. Deny her attention and she'll beg for it.

          Let me give this story/analogy of sorts, you get challenged by a master to play a game of chess, how can you beat a master at their game? Answer: You don't, you pretend to sit down and play their game but you get up and punch them in their face.

          Moral of story: Don't play their games, it brings you to their level and if you play, win or lose, you'll always lose.

          [–]LowlandsMan 57 points58 points  (4 children)

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          This phenomenum results in the most alpha sport of them all: Chess Boxing.

          [–]incraved 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Wow

          [–]Gr8WhiteGrammarNazi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Phenomena is plural. "This phenomena" is impossible in English.

          [–]OpiumPhrogg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          [–]heist_of_saint_graft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Close. This is.

          [–]Fhom 29 points30 points  (4 children)

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          What chicks don't get is that making their man jealous does NOT work, because Men and Women are wired differently.

          Sollipsim makes them believe that what's good for her is good for others.

          And yes, Women in their majority are very receptive to dreadgame as demonstrated multiple times here, and most of them know for a fact that the more their man is sollicited, the more they are attached to him.

          Thing is, us guys don't work that way. If your woman is trying to make you jealous, then she's just a bitch. That's why we respond with the same tactic and it works. But as a man, you have to disengage emotionally the moment she starts this shit. If she sees as much as a hint of an effect on you, you are fucked.

          OP did a great job.

          [–]Solonzzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Amen, brother! Preach the "disengagement doctrine" more. It works wonders, the very denial of her existence, by fully withdrawing any attention.

          [–]zirzo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          [–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          What chicks don't get is that making their man jealous does NOT work

          No one is accusing women of rationality in this situation. It's an evolutionary trait.

          [–]1FloranHunter 31 points32 points  (2 children)

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          Girls love making their men jealous, its like gives them a natural high or something.

          Controlling something more powerful than yourself.

          [–]KJL13 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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          Men do it too, but it's usually nature.

          [–]1FloranHunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Yup.

          [–]Evolved_Red 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Women + Attention = Cat String Theory

          [–]batfish55 13 points14 points  (7 children)

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          The way you're typing, this sounds like a shit test....

          A bad one, but a shit test nonetheless.

          [–]PrinceofEden23 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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          What do you mean?

          [–]LukeMooney 21 points22 points  (3 children)

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          Shit test - a test a woman gives a man in order to see if he is worthy of her pussy. Therefore women do not shit test men they have no interest in fucking. If you pass enough of her shit tests, you will gain access to her vagina. The degree to how well you have to pass these shit tests and how many you have to pass, is at this point an unnamed term on an imaginary graph of shit, which I will now name "the shitting point". Go below the shitting point and you've shit yourself, no pussy. Go above and beyond the shitting point, welcome to vagina heaven. How high or low the shitting point is, will be determined by a multitude of factors, including your SMV, how hot she perceives herself to be, and what she had for breakfast.

          [–]Hardparty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Well I'm a 7/10, and she thinks shes hot shit judging by the curled hair, and she had half a muffin for breakfast. I'll say my odds are pretty good. Fifty on red.

          [–]Hardparty 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          you will gain access to her vagina.

          like a fucking dungeon from an MMO

          [–]netwalker11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          What happens when I roll one of those natural 20's?

          [–]batfish55 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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          As far as my understanding goes, a shit test is a test of your capability of leadership, of your alpha-ness. To push the boundaries of what is acceptable. To see what she can get away with, just like a child would do, only with adult consequences.

          Grinding your snatch on some other dude is not acceptable. Fine. Do that. I'm out, bitch. Wait, now you're back. Color me surprised.

          [–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Of course it was.

          [–]enticingasthatmaybe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          You don't, you pretend to sit down and play their game but you get up and punch them in their face.

          Relevant:

          I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him. - Mark Twain

          [–]patriots-troll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I'd like to point this out as a quote for the rest of you. Its by Albert Einstein I'm not sure of the exact words but it goes like. 'Don't argue with someone stupid because of you do they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.'

          [–]mercuryg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I love that analogy.

          [–]Idrinkjdbythegallon 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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          Girls in their last semester of college are so slutty. They basically assume they are entering a "new phase" after aka go back to their hometown and look for work or move to another city for a job. They use it as an excuse to bang everyone they were seriously considering. I got calls and messages out of left field. Sit back and enjoy just realize whats going on

          [–]stiletto_vodka 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          "senior scramble"

          [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          this is the only time im ever regretting dropping out of college

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 50 points51 points  (6 children)

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          No, see for every time this is done right, 100x there will be some dude who is like "oh.. uh.. this guy is macking on my girl, FUCK, I better show unreactivity and alpha-like abundance mentality and not do shit!"

          99% of the time, the best move is to grab the girl and just pull her away. No need to fight, just move her assertively, if she was ever going to fuck you, she will follow. In fact, this used to happen to me a lot on the receiving end. I would be gaming up some girl, thinking its going well, and some dude, maybe her BF but sometimes just a more dominant guy, would just grab her and march her away and she would follow while shooting me these "teehee oh no, sorry!" looks.

          Goddamn that shit was annoying, especially because with my limited knowledge, I'm thinking WTF, that guy had no game, doesn't even look good, and just up and moved this bitch like she was cargo. But I figured it out - I was being unreactive and unresponsive, showing beta qualities, not an alpha abundance mentality like I thought was attractive.

          I used to live in LA, I had pickup wannabes in every club I would be able to get into, and many of these guys know the playbook. They know how to tool you, it was called AMOGing back in the day, and they know how to make you lose state / frame by telling you stupid things, cause the girl to associate you with creepiness or boringness, etc. But what they won't do is fucking claw the girl and move her.

          And in your situation, yes, your way worked out, but 99% of situations aren't with a football 6'6' dude on his college campus. Bar fights are rare, I have only been in 2 my entire life, and neither was dangerous. So yeah, you should never get physical over a girl by hitting someone or doing that fratboy "you wanna go" + shove bullshit. But you should efficiently and quickly just move her. If you just started talking to the girl, it is actually a fantastic compliance test. Some snazzy dude comes over and tries to swoop the girl you are gaming, just say "over here, let's go," and move her away, continuing your conversation.

          The guy who goes for it first gets it 90% of the time. Intent + confidence, you telegraph that by just assuming her compliance and assuming its OK for you to grab her fairly firmly. This idea was sparked by an experience in South Korea, when my huge asian friend repossessed the girl that some white guy had stole when he was in the bathroom. He just picked her up and placed her back at her seat and said what I am told was our equivalent of "bad dog, you stay put this time."

          [–]blazingblue16 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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          "bad dog, you stay put this time."

          ROFL that's amazing.

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          But if you don't want to cause problems with guys over girls you certainly may need to have a little more subtlety about your behaviour.

          [–]CSMastermind 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          Knowing South Korea he might have literally said, "bad dog, you stay put this time."

          [–]lesbianDREAMS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          So when exactly should you use abundance mentality and when do you just up and move her? Does it depend on the girl, your relationship with her or the situation at hand?

          [–]IIIbrohonestlyIII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          A bit new here. What happens if you pull the "come with me" and she pushes you off? It seems like it could backfire in a "i'm not your piece of meat" type of way. In that scenario do you just say fuck it and onto the next one?

          [–]magx01 75 points76 points  (27 children)

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          McAlphaDick turned her down, eh?

          [–]mozeiny[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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          haha who knows.

          [–]abXcv 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          You would be surprised at the amount of guys who sit on their laurels of status, looks and money.

          They can get laid easily, sure - but a guy with less attributes who knows what he's doing will generally be more attractive.

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          Probably not, if OP is right and his girl really is a 8/9, I don't think any men can reject her. Testosterone makes us horny as fuck mang.

          It does make sense evolution wise. Men can just pump and dump to make babies but women have to put up with it 9 months and unconditionally love their child. The man with the best genes is the only candidate for a woman. Men aren't picky.

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            [–]dongpal 7 points8 points  (19 children)

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            you dont go in a club to dance with a 9 and tell her you dont fuck her if she wants the D ..

            [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

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            Abundance mentality. Maybe you don't feel it, maybe you're not in the mood, or whatever.

            If you're capable of getting that sort of stuff anywhere, what does it matter if you turn someone down?

            It's probably one of the most powerful displays as well, telling a chick that she doesn't measure up to your expectations.

            [–]CrispoFTW22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            This is true. I know a guy, bar tender, ripped, has dope game, who turns down chicks most guys would call 9s. The scale is relative to the guy.

            [–]tigolbittiez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            I'm late to the party, but happening upon this string of comments, I was thinking exactly this.

            Part of what makes picking up women easy in the regard is that if you tried to seduce a girl and failed, it's not the end of the world! In fact, you lost maybe 5-10 minutes if it was a first interaction, maybe a few hours to a date that didn't end in sex or plans for a second date. Big deal. If you just met her and she didn't give her your number, whatever. You can always just keep on cruising the mall, the local coffee shop, university campus, or wherever it is you run day game and basically encounter literally, hundreds more opportunities and women who are ready to give you their number and a date. If a date went sour, so what? With the right attitude and confidence, you'll likely have another date planned out for later that week!

            Abundance mentality, folks. We don't settle and we don't give in. Sure, she's an 8 or 9. But guess what. There are literally hundreds upon thousands of women just as hot out there. She's not special, no reason to act like she has control and you need to give into her silly games. If she's gonna play it that way, there's no reason he should give in just to get to sex or less with her, when he can just turn around, walk away and grab another girl who isn't going to try to pull some shiz.

            [–]noblepaladin 11 points12 points  (5 children)

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            If he is a star wide receiver in a football town that is expected to be drafted in 2015, he can dump the 9s and have his pick of the 10s. Also, he might be one of the smarter ones who is paranoid as fuck about the intentions of women when he is so close to his multi-million dollar pay day. Not all football players are dumb.

            [–]dongpal -1 points0 points  (4 children)

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            10 dont exist , just sayin'

            [–]dimitrije83 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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            If the scale goes to 9, then 9 is 10.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            This one goes to eleven.

            [–]MartialWay 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            Well said. I always thought the "No such thing as a 10" thing was a crutch for weak minds that couldn't fathom that they could pull a 10.

            [–]enticingasthatmaybe 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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            If dude is really 6'6" and going into the NFL, he's spent his college years banging the highest caliber ass known to man. I'm talking the secret shelf above the top shelf.

            Dude has no problem turning down random club skanks that dance on his shit knowing he's got 10 hardbody trust fund princesses waiting for his text.

            [–]dongpal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            are football players really so high on the list in the US?

            [–]enticingasthatmaybe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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            College football is second only to NFL football in popularity and revenue. Yet school's can't officially "pay" players to play for them. So, to get the highest caliber studs to play with your school's jersey other "incentives" have to exist.

            I live near and used to do a lot of work with a very high profile southern football university and I've seen the types of women put in front of the high school kids they are recruiting. Let's just say that turning down even a HB9 in a club would be nothing to these guys.

            [–]Starrucca -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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            Not true. If you knew she had herpes you might dance with her for the social value and leave her to destroy some other dudes life.

            [–]dongpal 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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            yea, or when she has a dick. exceptions are there. but normally you dont

            [–]Starrucca 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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            Dont say something wrong and then try to change what you said in the first place to sound right. That's a straight up hamster move.

            [–]dongpal 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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            i didnt change anything

            I just say that under normal conditions you dont say no to a hot chick when she wants to fuck

            BUT OF COURSE when she has HIV or a dick, you will say no

            [–]Starrucca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            respect

            [–]dman8000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            YOu are underestimating how many options someone in AlphaDicks situation has.

            He probably has over a dozen girls hitting on him when he goes out. He will inevitably turn down most of them.

            [–]abXcv 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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            This is very very impressive.

            A lot of people outside this sub wouldn't understand, but to me it looks like.

            1. Something bad happened to you.

            2. You felt very strong emotions and a desire to satisfy them.

            3. You also logically knew what you should do.

            4. You tore away from what you wanted to do, and did what you knew you should do.

            5. You were rewarded for it in the end.

            This is pretty much the essence of being a man - you felt your emotions, but listened to your logic although it was difficult.

            TL;DR - Good job OP you stoic motherfucker.

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            Or you could think of this as fighting. You can't fight a woman like she is a man. You can't charge in head first, beating your chest and demanding she "come outside".

            You were spot on

            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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            You're not giving this woman nearly enough credit.

            It takes about 5-10 minutes, tops, for a woman to hang with a guy, dance with him, or whatever, and trade numbers, make arrangements for sex at a later date, place, etc. Then, she can do damage control, come back to her original man, and let him feel like he's won.

            You can't follow her everywhere, all the time. So Tuesday night, when she's not out with you, she's getting McAlpha's big dick in every single one of her holes, twice. Wednesday night, she's out with you, smiling ear to ear over how awesome manly red pill alpha you think you are, and you never suspect a thing.

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              [–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Agreed, nothing makes my girl hotter for me than me getting female attention. The only difference is my girl understands it and understands the game, so she likes the whole process and never gets mad or jealous. In fact framed right I've never had a girl not like it.

              [–]DanG3 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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              The nature of ALL women is to be hypergamous. They will try to attain the highest ranking and most desirable Alpha that they can attract and keep. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are a "hoe," it means they are a desirable woman.

              She was testing both her desirability and you in this situation. She did prove to herself that she could monkey branch to McAlphadick. But, your actions PARTIALLY - somewhat - showed her that she would possibly not be able to swing back - because you took up with the Latina. Women know that high ranking Alphas are a security risk, likely to be pump and dump. While she could have swung to McAlphadick, Karen knew that it would have ended with a pump and dump. As one of the other posters noted, some women actually go through with the P&D and then show up the next day. By your taking up with the Latina, Karen realized that she would have ended her swing to McAlphadick with a free fall.

              BUT, she also learned that she could swing back to you and that you would dump another for her. That's the remaining and unresolved bad part of this situation. It's too late for words at this time, and words are risky anyway. You will be given another "opportunity" - she will test again. If you want to recover and improve her respect of you, you will need to - at the first sign of her bad behavior - take action to mate guard. It could only be that eye contact is needed. You may try to move her WITHOUT going so far as to provide her opportunity to act out. If she complies you should decisively and briefly recall her previous behavior with McAlphadick and that you won't tolerate the like again. If she gives shit, walk away. It's over unless she follows immediately. If she does follow DO NOT engage her hamster - STFU! The next day, when the alcohol has dissipated from both of you, you make a very clear and concise statement that you will not tolerate bad behavior from her or any woman. End of discussion. Do not engage her hamster. STFU!

              Women are (essentially) children. They need to be individually trained. Like children, they will test you and test their boundaries. I think as Men, we need to train them collectively. I'm not necessarily a proponent of nexting a women at the first time that she displays her hypergamous nature as a Woman. Her feminine desirability - proven by the caliber of man she can attract - is, after all, what makes her hot. Women feel good about themselves when they know they are hot - to other men who don't necessarily have oneitis for them. They need to test for that desirability from time to time to feel hot. (But, they also need to know that it can only be a test.) Why would you not want a hot woman?

              Your job and challenge in the relationship with a hot woman is to manage the relationship - the hot woman - such that she has FULL assurance that you will provide the beta security and comfort that she needs while at the same time providing the Alpha frame as a Man that she wants. That frame includes your physical and mental fitness/attractiveness and the wherewithal to keep her in line - including the proven assurance that you WILL dump her like a hoe if she attempts "shit."

              [–]a_chill_bro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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              The football player sounds Irish.

              All bullshit aside, well done OP. Well fucking done.

              [–]DanG3 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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              Re: "marking me as her man and shit"

              Some rhetorical questions:

              Who is controlling the relationship?

              How did you actually react to her bad behavior and disrespect of you - What did your actions say to her - Did you sanction her, or reward her shit?

              Have you given her any indication as to what will happen if she pulls the same shit again?

              After your observation of her behavior in this situation, how would you rate her "quality" as a woman (while trying to give some consideration of the hypergamous nature of all women)?

              [–]mozeiny[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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              Those are all good points. I decided not to even acknowledge the situation since she'd probably deflect along the lines of "oh i was drunk" or "but was McAlphaDick!" There was no benefit in bringing it up. In that specific scenario, my actions spoke louder than any words could.

              As far as her quality of character, I have not learned enough about her to judge. If she pulls the same shit again though I'll drop her like the hoe she has proven herself to be.

              [–]behringer__ 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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              Yeah but what if you couldn't pull any other chick on that night?

              [–]PepeLePill 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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              That wasn't the point. Pussy is not the goal, even though it kind of is. Pussy is the byproduct of your frame. His lack of BP attracted not only his normal plate, but some strange as well. Listen closely: Always keep your frame. We're talking zen master monk frame keepage. Everything else is just filler.

              [–]robesta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              If OP walked in with an 8/9, he could pull a college slut at any time.

              [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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              Now work your magic for a threesome with the latina girl. But seriously man good on you for handling it well.

              [–]DreadMe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Nicely done, sounds like you handled the situation perfectly keep up the good work brother.

              [–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              This would be the RP "fight for her". Some Sun Tzu shit.

              [–]pewpewing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Story reminded me if how pet cats act. No joke.

              [–]Jsnoopy93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Lets say you didn't catch her attention at first or maybe you didn't pull that hot latina, what would you do then? You're basically making her jealous but that doesn't have guaranteed success rate all the time right?

              [–]SSolus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              damn son lol you did great

              [–]mechakingghidorah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Dread game OP, that's the ultimate trump card, but it seems you already know that.

              [–]Evesest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Did you go with the latina and tell that smut to catch wind?

              [–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              SO..did McAlphadick hook up with your girl?

              [–]RamJamtheBarbarian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              I would of fucked the Latina. Then they both could compete for you haha.

              [–]JohnGalt316 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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              imo, why not leave with the hot latina

              you already know how far you can go with Karen

              at best she is a hookup; at worst you marry her only for her to leave everytime McAlphaDick comes along

              why not try things out with hot latina? don't get complacent looking for quality girls because you have a sure thing in a hookup

              [–]hur1n 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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              or better yet, get the latino's number and tell her we're hanging out on tuesday, then go get karen back - maybe even leverage a little preselection in the eyes of the latino, if he's lucky.

              [–]1iluminatiNYC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              Sidebar: as someone who is 6'5", Black and in decent shape (though not NFL draft pick shape), I appreciate the lack of PC. It just means that when I have a taste of White women, they're more...motivated, and I can turn down the alpha. Racism sucks, but I can't say it doesn't have any bennies. :)

              [–]LukeMooney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              I would have fucked the Latino - after that, she'd do anything for you, be completely infatuated with you, and would never ever be seen dancing with any guys in front of you, as she would immediately remember what happened last time. Cool story though - well played.

              [–]Tastysalad101 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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              I kinda feel bad for the latina girl though she was buying you drinks and stuff then the other girls comes back and she's kinda screwed over.

              [–]myrpaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              I hope that is sarcasm. As a bluepiller in recovery, I'd like to laugh in her face. Do you know how many blue pill guys have purchased drinks and got nowhere? If they really wanted gender equality guys would be drinking for free half the time.

              [–]Fantastical14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Well done. Good FR.

              [–]Blue942 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              What would you have done if the latina wouldn't have approached you?

              [–]TheLolomancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Find another woman who would. This is why even guys in LTRs should not let their game slip. Even if you don't go to bed with them, showing that you still got it does wonders to both her opinion of you and your own self-esteem.

              [–]Idontlikekarmawhores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              You have done great young one. If it happens again, take it a little further and just completely ignore her;)

              [–]p5ych0naut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              A+ performance on your part! while the "logical" thing to do may seem like its to fight for her, it may come as a surprise that girls do not act logically, they act emotionally. when they see you losing your cool (acting like a beta), they immediately move into manipulation mode, trying to play off your emotions. but when you turn it around, like you did, and be alpha about it, the girl ends up playing herself, feeling foolish, and coming back to you.

              and I agree with afcpoop, your final paragraph is especially poignant.

              [–]misanthropeguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              It's funny how both ways can be intuitive in a sense and I would say that grabbing the girl and trying to drag her out isn't necessarily beta, and isn't necessarily wrong. But definitely the route that op took is the smarter play. I think a lot has to do with how emotionally involved you are with the girl.

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              Good work, soldier.

              [–]dennisbergkamp10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Well done sir, well done! Be proud of your self! You got to love the one rule for the lady another for the man, well in their minds in any case.

              [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              In my 40's, in a 8 year LTR and this shit works pretty much the same way. Replace McAlphadick with pretty much anything else. Don't compete - just do your own thing. She will come back.

              [–]Mouthpiece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Impressive self-control. Nice result.

              [–]1mr_throwz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Now you know what kind of person she is and can proceed accordingly.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorpontifx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Only question to ask when the deal isn't closed is who is pulling who.

              Nicely done.

              Some girls you gotta close on the nightly, I think it has something to do with how social they are.

              [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (14 children)

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              You should drop that hoe, ASAP, or just degrade her with some weird sexual stuff then leave.

              [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (13 children)

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              Why? The chick chose him over a football player... frankly that's A) Pretty impressive on his part and B) considering we all know how women are... Who's surprised/gives a shit?

              [–]tsotha 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              The chick chose him over a football player...

              Or the football player decided she wasn't a very good lay and moved on.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

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              Never let a bitch disrespect you, or anyone for that matter. I know most women are hypergamous as fuck; but still it always goes back to the respect. plus it's just giving her a pussy-pass, broads got to know there are consequences for their sloot behaviour.

              [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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              "Never" is a stupid ideal. Respect is conditional currency.

              OP already said they're both college seniors and aren't putting a label on what they're doing. That implies this relationship probably has a built-in expiration date: graduation.

              This ain't some unicorn he's trying to train. He's just another cock on her personal carousel. Round and round she goes. He's just riding out what's left of the semester. It isn't his job to educate her on consequences. (The Wall will see to that.)

              No reason for him to be angry or feel disrespected. If a dog eats the steak you left unattended, did it disrespect you? Of course not. Its just being a dog. Young romances are fleeting, college especially -- so turn off your pride, adopt an abundance mentality, and enjoy them.

              No RP man should be looking for a LTR before his 30th birthday anyway. When you're 32, you can try training some 22 year old, if you want. But when you're still 22 yourself, just grab all the free pussy you can, and enjoy it.

              Remember: The 80/20 rule is awesome when you're in the 20!

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              Thanks for the feedback, this is a reasonable and well thought out argument. Maybe I'm expecting to much from a woman to display any semblance of loyalty.

              [–]Beardsman2 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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              My dog wouldn't eat anything I left unattended because he's well trained - always waits until he's told he can eat. Once he was getting babysat by a friend who put his dinner in his bowl, went for a shower and came back 1/2 hour later to see the pooch still siting there salivating because she'd forgotten to tell him be could eat.

              [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              Not sure if you don't understand analogies, or if you just wanna brag about your mutt...

              Regardless, this ain't your well-trained dog. She doesn't even have a collar. Wandered over at the neighborhood picnic, sniffed your crotch, and stole an unwatched meal.

              Are you going to devote your time to training this dog? Its not some puppy. She's already full grown. Or will you just shrug it off, and get another steak from the grill?

              [–]Beardsman2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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              I consider your analogy to be wrong. Because I would feel greatly disrespected if my pooch stole my steak. I'm just sticking up for dogs... I think your comparison to women is unfair.

              [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              How did your dog get that way? Was it by taking it to the pound when it did something wrong?

              [–]Beardsman2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Combination of positive and negative reinforcement, and his own genetics.

              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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              They're not dating, he cant tell her not to fuck other people. He can next her if she does but come on.

              [–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              Was McAlphaDick actually a dick? Don't hate the player, hate the game right? Guy can't help it if he's a huge black football player.

              [–]dimmy666 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              I think he didn't mean to say the guy was an alpha dick, but rather that the guy was an Alpha Dick. As in, an actual dick. A black one, even.

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                [–]ChangingThings 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Why? She is just a plate. Nothing more nothing less. If he had done something like that he would have completely destroyed his frame.

                [–]GhostInTheRedPill -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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                It sounds more to me like McAlphaDick granted you one of his castoffs. After all, you say she was only an 8 or 9. He cruises at the 10+ altitude in your town. She was lucky to have got as close as she did.

                Nevertheless, your actions, state and frame were acceptable for your own self worth's sake. The latina was the icing on the cake of remaining centred. A good lesson in emotional control, in which you didn't wipe out. Well done.

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                  [–]RebootedMale 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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                  Bitch seems like a head trip

                  She seems pretty typical to me.

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                  ANDD you wasted your night on a cunt. Better to have paid a stripper and hung with the guys--the people you can depend on.