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[–]Aalewis__ 91 points92 points  (53 children)

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That handshake at 3:25

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (45 children)

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I thought I was doing a good job of swallowing TRP but seeing women do this shit so plainly laid out, It's fucking revolting, I guess you just have to put yourself in their shoes and replace betas with landwhales, still disturbing to see though.

[–]Dubba 120 points121 points  (24 children)

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The difference is that men largely just ignore landwhales, whereas beta men are downright exploited for their financial resources. It is disgusting.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (5 children)

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I used to exploit landwhales for blowjobs.

Just balancing out the ledger as far as I'm concerned.

[–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 51 points52 points  (3 children)

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They give the best head because they're hungry

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

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Truth. And I always told myself I was doing them a favor. It felt like charity.

Maybe that's how chicks feel about betas?

[–]raekai_music 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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how chicks feel about betas

this

[–]JudgeRedPill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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They give the best head because they have to.

Fix'd.

[–]1Zackcid 27 points28 points  (9 children)

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The successful among us will somehow, within all this bullshit, still find a light of motivation. We'll look at the super-awkward handshake and tell ourselves that "NO, I refuse to be HIM. I won't allow this to ever happen."

Women are gonna be women no matter what, so don't go expecting them to change and accommodate for us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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It does motivate me, but I'm also overwhelmed by this righteous indignation, this butthurt beta shit, knowing that I've been that guy and before I came to know about game and TRP it could easily have been me. I wish it was easier to spread trp mentality without the problems it currently has.

[–]1Zackcid 2 points3 points  (7 children)

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I like to look at it with the mentality of:

If it were easy, everybody would be doing it

I'm convinced that, with all the bullshit that comes with TRP, we eventually get rewarded TREMENDOUSLY after internalizing it fully and living the life. I don't know of anybody who's swallowed the pill and reverted back to Blue Pill reality.

without the problems it currently has.

What kinda problems?

[–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I did. I read this shit over 10 years ago when it was still on SoSuave. I got turned off by a poster who claimed that all women were useless. I took it personally, thinking of my mom, sister, aunts, etc... Now, over 10 years later at the age of 28 I'm deeply filled with regret. I acted blue pill in so many ways even though I knew in the back of my head it was wrong.

I think you have to really internalize this shit and make it work for you. I was on the brink and then turned back. No more. It feels good to be back.

[–]14931125 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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its because women have been taught its ok to try to shame someone, because she is "sticking up for herself". Where as if a guy was to do it, it would be bulling her or verbally attacking her.

By doing this she gets everything she wants, Alpha dick and Beta security.

You need to remember, it is not her fault, she has grown up and been taught by the world that this behaviour is ok.

Dont be angry at her, you are angry that the real world is not some kind easy happy magical place, but rather a messy game. Learn to play the game better than her. Be the man that can get away with saying outragious things and do things to her she only lets real men do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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I mean I get letting women have a lot less of the responsibility but if this is just "the way they are" I don't want them for much more than sex, it's just so absurd how hard they will diss a beta male just for fucking trying.

I'm not beta and I can do a lot of the shit tyler is talking about in this video and yes party of me is excited that betas will have no chance and i'll get as much pussy as i can run through but it's also pretty fucked to see the other side with any kind of depth.

[–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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It is true that men ignore landwhales but we don't tool them like these women did and we don't turn them into our own personal economic slaves either. Nor do we berate and nag them for the rest of their lives.

[–]iStillEatSnakes 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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Well at least we don't (yet) have a fat acceptance counterpart. The Beta Acceptance movement. Real women like submissive men damnit.

[–]Robdogx9001 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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I actually can't wait for that, I have to get my schadenfreude from somewhere.

[–]1Zackcid 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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Cringed so hard.

Especially since I've been in that position before. Call it traumatic.

[–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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Ah the old "I can't fucking believe I did that" PTSD huh?

[–]Toof 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Jesus, I have way too many of those things... Especially the ones where you realize, "I should be fucking dead for that."

[–]neurosurg 56 points57 points  (7 children)

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Owen is the Alton Brown of the PUA world... Right down to the camera style, etc. I love how he's still giving a cheeky explanation as he's getting in the taxi at the end.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

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he's an amazing PUA but a shitty instructor. he'll go and show off some tight game to reel you in and then ramble at the camera about nothing for an hour.

[–]t21spectre 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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Why I like TRP; it focuses on self-improvement, confidence and status building, and just being a man.

PUA "instructors" have come and gone for many years. Most of what they teach is gimmicks (peacocking and what not), in the end it doesn't work, the quick-fix/lose 30 pounds in 30 days/instant miracle our societies flock to rarely to never work. You can't hand someone a bag of tricks with confidence, charisma, and a sense of humor inside.

Changing a lifestyle and a full mental shift takes time.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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Outer game vs. inner game

[–]1Sergnb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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actually Tyler's stuff focus heavily on inner game and having a good mentality.

Of course, he knows his audience and he knows they watch their videos so they can get pumped up for toniiiightts huunt!, so he is not going to tell them "look man, you are fucking undatable now, stop even trying until you work on yourself more", but at least he tells them the "work on yourself more" part.

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    [–]redpill90 94 points95 points  (70 children)

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    Videos like this make me want to jettison women altogether. The woman in the beginning is so smug in shutting down the 'beta' guy, but too stupid to realize she's overtly being made a fool of by the 'alpha' (or maybe she does know and just doesn't care). As the video said, I guess it makes me beta, but to see the complete switch in her primordial brain is like watching a dog change behavior and follow you when you hold up a piece of steak.

    [–]boydeer 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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    this is south beach. i live in miami, and women are incredibly fucking terrible here compared to other places.

    [–]Nimitz87 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    agree south florida women are a breed all on their own.

    [–]NeoBushi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    I lived 2 years in Miami. Also agree. They take hypergamy to the extremes. There is no subtlety at all. There is a clear and present line between those that get laid and those that don't that you can see it from space.

    [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (63 children)

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    Nope, you're just beginning to open your eyes. This video should be like a glass of freezing cold water thrown in your face.

    [–]Gnashtaru 34 points35 points  (62 children)

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    Lol I have been subscribed to this sub for a long time. And I get it buy wow to just seeit like this is nuts. II'm 36 with two ex wives, but I was also always the confident fun guy in the beginning. I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize. Nope. I pay an assload of child support now.

    Haha I wish I could go back and show myself this video 20 years ago.

    I'm already giving my son the bare sugar coated basics of this stuff. Just to teach him how to protect himself. He's getting close to the age this starts to exist.

    I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex though. God its liberating.

    [–]monsieurhire2 25 points26 points  (4 children)

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    36 and not one but TWO ex-wives!?!?! Jesus Christ I feel like I dodged a bullet!

    [–]Gnashtaru 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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    LOL you probably did.

    [–]monsieurhire2 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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    But I wanted to get married and have a family. I still do. But . . . women are just fucking retarded these days. Their expectations are too high and they're impossible to please. Also, to sustain the relationship, you have to engage in psychological warfare with them. Very annoying.

    [–]Gnashtaru 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    That's the sad part. Women are just as intelligent as us but so many waste it because they don't have to bother. I just don't get that. I don't work to better myself because of society or even to attract women. Never have. I just like what I do. In fact the times I have been most unhappy in my life were when I did things because other people thought I should.
    Why would a woman not excitedly pursue bettering herself personally? For me I am driven BH a "passionate curiosity" about the world around me. Why should women be any different? Why only be like this if you have to? Such a waste. Women seem to only do this if their sexuality is inadequate to provide their support for them. How empty a life that seems to be to me.
    Sure some men are like that but the odds of a guy actually caring about choosing a path in life that's challenging and interesting to him are way higher. We don't just do it to impress women. I don't buy that for a second. I like what I like because its fascinating to me. Women like that are much more uncommon. Sad.

    Look at the topic of women and pay. The news puts an unfair slant on it. Yes women are paid an average of 77 cents for every dollar men are. But that's proven to be because they choose lower paying career paths. Its even shown in the same study that fact is based on! :).

    Anyway. What I'm trying to say is what a waste of a life.
    I know highly exceptional women also. Don't get me wrong. They are some of my best friends. But women who just focus on being sexy instead of education or career because prince charming will provide for them infuriate me. Lol

    [–]monsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    They are not all like this. It's the ones that are physically attractive and young with average to below average intelligence and ability that tend to be like this (most people are average and below average). It's because they can get OTHER people to do stuff for them just because they are hot. These people will do it because they think it will get them laid, or provide another benefit. Sometimes the women even lead them to believe this. Anyway, their temporary ability to get other people to do stuff for them atrophies their own abilities.

    [–]southernmost 39 points40 points  (5 children)

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    I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex though. God its liberating.

    Liberating but lonely, because the vast majority of women aren't even good at sex. Expecting them to bring something else to the table like expecting your dog to get you a birthday present.

    [–]JihadDerp 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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    Expecting them to bring something else to the table like expecting your dog to get you a birthday present.

    Well said.

    [–]Gnashtaru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    LOL Yea I know. It's worth it though.

    For me at least.

    [–]redditor157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    LOL

    [–]sideoftheham 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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    21 year old here. You can also give me advice as if I were your son

    [–]Gnashtaru 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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    Lol well you can either be an asshole and get laid, or be alone and happy. Notice I didn't include happy with get laid... sure the game and the sex might be fun. But really if you want a fulfilling even level relationship you are rolling the dice. Most likely you will be alone and waiting.

    Unless you are willing to hold out for the hot smart independent chick (there's only a few) you have to either just be the alpha and have shallow relationships, or wait a long time. Might as well get laid for now. Just ALWAYS WRAP IT. Even if the woman of your dreams tells you she's on the pill. Wrap it!

    Have fun man.

    [–]I-am-redditor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    Listen to this man: Wrap it!

    [–]1veggie_girl 11 points12 points  (17 children)

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    I was also always the confident fun guy in the beginning. I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize.

    You will always be on your toes if you marry. Up until 60+ when she has zero chance of attracting anyone else. Growing complacent and thinking you will have it any easier than a single guy is an excuse for being lazy. Nothing wrong with being lazy, but lazy guys don't tend to get laid. The big difference with stable marriage (aka "shit tons of work") is it will provide a better environment for the kids than a split family/single mother. But in the end, men have to pay for kids either way and its often double dipping (marriage, child support, and in addition: taxes & affirmative action to support welfare single mothers). It might seem like it sucks, but that's only because of what feminism has been brain-raping everyone with for the last ~40 years.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 18 points19 points  (14 children)

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    To add on to this- if you do decide on monogamy and a life-partner.. just don't marry! It seems simple, but a lot of guys don't get it.

    It actually keeps her on her toes a little bit too... you do have to keep up your game, but it eliminates the threat-point that marriage creates.

    It is my contention (and obviously Dalrock's too) that no woman can ever respect (or be attracted to long-term) a man that she has the control of threatpoint over.

    [–]harkrank 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    One additional factor that I think everybody has ignored that contributes to the situation today is how most people have their wealth in real estate. In the past divorce laws didn't favor women as much as today, but also a man's wealth was in his skill. People were more mobile. If your wife was unbearable you could leave her and not have a big chunk of your wealth taken from you by letting her have the house or part of the house.

    Today the policies in western nations has been to use real estate as the main vector for inflation. Coupled by prohibitive building regulations and zoning laws and a wealthy older generation who lives of government benefits and see no reason to sell their land or their houses it means real estate is extremely expensive and it means if you want to have a roof over the head of your family you have to put most of your wealth into housing. This is why it's not easy to just get up and leave if your wife is a bitch. And any weakness imposed upon a man will be abused by the woman.

    [–]1independentmale 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    It is my contention (and obviously Dalrock's too) that no woman can ever respect (or be attracted to long-term) a man that she has the control of threatpoint over.

    Absolutely. A married man will put up with far more than a single guy because he has so much more to lose. Women know this and adjust their behavior accordingly once you've said "I do."

    [–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (11 children)

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    How do you explain this to her? Meaning nearly everyone, especially her, is going to pressure you into getting married. Do you give her TRP truth? Or do you sugarcoat it in some other way?

    [–]1independentmale 6 points7 points  (6 children)

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    Don't share TRP truths with her. Don't even mention TRP. When she inevitably brings up marriage, you say no. That's it.

    When my LTR pressed me for why, I put it this way: "Marriage is a legal contract that entitles you to walk at any time, for any reason, and take 2/3rds of my net worth. You're asking me to put everything I've ever worked for at substantial risk. Why would I do that? What's in it for me?"

    [–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    That's basically giving her the red pill truth, don't you think? What did she say after that?

    [–]1independentmale 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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    That's basically giving her the red pill truth, don't you think?

    Nope. It's a simple fact of family law and divorce proceedings. It has nothing to do with TRP.

    What did she say after that?

    Typical hamstering:

    "I would never do that to you." Baby, I believe you wouldn't do that to me today. Five or ten years down the road, when the love has worn off and I'm just another asshole, you very well might.

    "Don't you trust me?" Of course I trust you, but trust isn't enough. I don't sign legal contracts involving hundreds of thousands of dollars with nothing more than trust to safeguard my investment.

    "I have as much money as you do. I'd bring an equal amount to the marriage." Even if that were true, I can't risk my future earnings. If my investments continue to perform, what I have tomorrow will be substantially more than what I have today. (I also asked her to add up her net worth. She was short by several hundred grand.)

    "What if I sign a prenup?" Prenups don't protect future earnings and can be invalidated during the divorce.

    "But, but, but..." I can offer you all of the benefits of marriage without the legal contract. We can live together, love one another, share our lives and grow old together if that's what we decide to do. Signing a marriage contract isn't necessary to do these things.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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    How do you explain this to her?

    "I'm not getting married, ever."

    [–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    "But whyyyyyy. Don't you love meeeed?"

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    ಠ_ಠ and walk away.

    [–]Gnashtaru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Lol. "Woman. If you really loved me you wouldn't need a ring to know I do too"

    [–]Gnashtaru 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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    Yea I suppose your right. I actually warned my last girlfriend. I said "eventually I'll seem like I take you for granted. I won't be, but it will seem like it because I don't work as hard at it. I'm just content to know you love me" She took it as a challenge. And actually the relationship failed for an entirely unrelated reason.

    I learned that lesson during my last marriage. I deployed to Iraq for a year and thought I had the best marriage you could have. She pretty much did what this video predicted, looking back.
    I was gone and I was providing. I'm not even mad anymore. But damn was i initially! :)

    I'm at the point now where I just don't consider it worth bothering. Fuck it. if some woman is interested, let her do the work. If not, I don't care. I'm SO much more happy doing whatever the hell I want and just focusing on my kids and my OWN interests. SOME of you guys have No idea. LOL Getting laid isn't worth the effort. Maybe it's just me being older and my hormones are not ruling my mind but yea.

    :)

    [–]RPL23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    solid knowledge drop, thank you brother. glad to see you back on your feet!

    [–]6353juantabo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    I just expected the relationship to grow and stabilize.

    Exact mistake I made.

    [–]Gnashtaru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Haha its the equivalent of falling for the prince charming fairy tale.

    [–]isthatyourdaughter 5 points6 points  (11 children)

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    I'm already giving my son the bare sugar coated basics of this stuff

    Do none of you understand, sugarcoating this shit is what people have done throughout history, and always with the same lackluster results. Teach your sons the full truth.

    [–]Cryocasm 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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    I believe sugar coating it is important in order to keep his son from running around and just spreading the teachings. The redpill doesn't give you an edge if you lower your SMV by going around talking about stuff that a plugged in society perceives as "sexist" or "misogynistic".

    [–]Gnashtaru 12 points13 points  (8 children)

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    Oh don't worry I will. He's barely 12 and just starting to be interested in girls. I'm just coming from the viewpoint of self preservation. I don't want himn to grow up being angry at women, or even the way things are. Just understanding things. I guess I shouldn't have used the words sugar coated. I think what I really meant was age appropriate.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    What happens when a boy is told the truth from the beginning? He decides his father is wrong. TV, movies, friends, and everyone else are repeating the lie. When dad is the lone voice of truth, it is easy just to categorize him as a woman-hater and ignore his crazy advice.

    Thanks to the Internet, the honest dad is no longer the lone voice speaking truth. Harder to dismiss when there are thousands of voices, backed up by our own videos, studies, etc. You may want to begin curating a collection of introductory material. 12 may be too young, but there are definitely 14 year-old boys reading TRP.

    [–]Gnashtaru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    :). Yep. But I look at it like this. I don't want him to hate women. Falling in love is one of the most amazing things to experience in life. BUT. I am going to make sure he protects himself and gets the most fun I can teach him to.

    [–]Cryocasm 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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    I would still recommend sugar coating it somewhat since at that age a stable society will begin defining it's sex market. It's crucial that he isn't getting bullied in order to have a shot at being topgun. Make sure that he shouldn't act like it's a big secret but just proceed with it on his own.

    I'd imagine he's smart enough to proceed this way, and he is most probable to introduce fellow friends to the redpill as they mature years from now. I'm not sure how you're proceeding, but at this early stage you should probably focus more on SMV dynamics and maintaining frame over anything else. I'd also throw in a crash course on oneitis for good measure, but make sure that it's just the concept, don't give him the impression that liking one girl is wrong, but rather that he should be considerate.

    Just my 2 cents, but proceed with your teachings as you wish.

    [–]Gnashtaru 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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    What is SMV? May I ask. Haha. I might sound like a red pill guy but I didn't learn thisstuff here. I learned it the hard way. I don't know the lingo.

    [–]Cryocasm 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    Sexual Market Value.

    It's a big bit of subtext of a lot of what's talked about here and interacting with women in general.

    [–]Gnashtaru 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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    Ahh. Haha thanks!

    So, maybe I should just start a thread, but how does TRP apply to someone who just wants an actual relationship and the sex part is just a bonus? Like an actual real equal level ... well.. blah blah... the dream. The male fairy tale. But with less focus on how hot she is and more on actually holding a conversation with her 30years from now? There has gotta be women out there who actually care about this right!? :)

    Hmm. Now that I think about it here's an observation. A lot, LOT, of my closest friends are women. But I'm serious they are real, intelligent friendship type relationships. But I'm thinking that if I dated any of them it wouldn't be so real anymore. That honestly makes me sad. Once sex is thrown in its so much harder to be peers instead of users of each other... I guess that's the right term for it?

    [–]rpdoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Sometimes you have to ease them into it. I've learned, through discussions, that with my friends I can't just throw the full TRP ideology at them because they'll reject it. They aren't prepared for the whole book to be thrown at them; they need little bits of advice here and there. That's where it starts. I have to provide them with little tidbits, let it sink in, and usually they'll return to the topic at a later date. Typically they find the advice useful, and they're curious where I come up with this stuff. Two of my close friends now visit /r/theredpill and blogs like dalrock, etc...

    Anecdotal, but this is how I've found it to be most effective. I've definitely scared a few friends from these ideas by throwing everything at them too early.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (10 children)

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    I'm at the point now where women can kiss my ass unless they have more to offer than sex.

    I'm almost ten years older, also divorced twice, and its damn hard to find women who have something more to offer than a series of moist holes. Sure they are out there, and what I have found is, that is inversely proportional to how hot they are. So many thirsty males giving them everything they ask for they don't need to develop anything more than looks and allow some men to fuck those holes.

    Best relationship I had was with a homely skinny chick, but she still had all the same bullshit in her head and did the same jumping ship for the appearance of a higher male. Her life has been a slow motion train wreck since I kicked her out. They make poor choices and emotionally based decisions rather than using logic and reason, even when they are very intelligent.

    Don't fall for it again, simply enjoy fucking the hot ones, use dread, and don't buy them a damn thing,

    [–]Gnashtaru 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    That's what bothers me the most... how the hell can any human being, regardless of gender, just not pursue their own passions? I'm completely driven by my love of learning. How the hell can women feel like they have a fulfilling life based on the men they see? Jesus for a waste...

    If I realized I measured my value on my mate I'd kill myself. Even before I figured this shit out. Lol. Women are still human beings. Being hot should not interfere with what they value in life and what they are passionate about. Jesus. Society really let them down if that's a learned trait.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Fuck if I know. I've been pursuing my goals and dreams no matter what happens in my life. Some of us are driven, some aren't.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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    I might be alone on this one- but instead of looking for qualities that you'd look for in a man (hobbies, good career, etc) you should look for whoever gets your oxytocin doing its thing. A nice wet hole and a great looking rack makes me a happy guy.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I do, that's exactly what I do. I had something with her that I never did with anyone else, I'm good with that. Everyone else is not going to fit that well in so many ways, and I don't care. I get lots of pussy, and I have good friends so I'm covered. Having her as both meant my social circle was miniscule, fuck that shit.

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    Sure they are out there, and what I have found is, that is inversely proportional to how hot they are. So many thirsty males giving them everything they ask for they don't need to develop anything more than looks and allow some men to fuck those holes.

    Obviously not universal, but it is so sad how true this statement often is. It's probably one of the largest factors as to why there are no unicorns out there. Women who are incredibly attractive (and I guess men to a lesser extent) bear no onus for improvement in any other capacity than looks. Even the ones who have decent cognitive skills allow them to erode because, why would they ever need them? There will always be men there available to provide. It's why the attributes of intelligence and feminine beauty become more and more exclusive.

    [–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    Leave the country. There are a lot of teaching positions available to Westerners in Asia.

    [–]Gnashtaru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    You know my college professors told me I should be an electronics teacher. But I love my kids. Gotta stick around till they are grown.

    [–]fresco5 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    you just have to remember that women are social robots who are easily manipulated. If anything this should just make you think much less of them. It is disappointing to know that they can't make decisions for themselves but it really is super easy to get them to do what you want.

    This video was not an eye-opener to me because it's something I've known to be true for a long time, but when I really learned this it didn't make me mad but more sad. Sad because it's almost impossible to find a woman who is an actual person and not a heartless social robot who I manipulated

    [–]tylertgbh 39 points40 points  (0 children)

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    Phew, I've never been so content with the fact that I'm gay than right now after watching that..

    [–]IIHotelYorba 37 points38 points  (2 children)

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    Was just about to post this to the thread about the dude being pissed his girl used to be wild but isn't with him. It describes the situation perfectly.

    On a side note, the in-fields they're doing are getting fucking crazy.

    [–]Daell 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly, first half of this clip explains that topic very well.

    [–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Was just about to post this to the thread about the dude being pissed his girl used to be wild but isn't with him. It describes the situation perfectly.

    Her priorities simply changed, ruler of faeces.

    [–]Chinny4daWinny 29 points30 points  (0 children)

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    Beta: 0:56 Asking her if she's a pole dancer. Her reply "That's not cool"

    Alpha: 1:21 Asking her if she's a pole dancer. Her reply "You're awesome. I like you"

    Without knowing women I would have been like WTF? How do you explain this? But now it makes sense.

    [–]whoops_fap 41 points42 points  (2 children)

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    Tyler/Owen is the fucking man. I was watching the hot seat videos before I landed on TRP, dude's game is tight as fuck. Recognize.

    Beta males will find this infuriating while alphas will be excited by the prospect.

    Whole time I was reading No More Mr. Nice Guy I remember thinking "Oh shit." (in horror) followed by "This is amazing" (in relief). I think whether beta or alpha if you are willing to come around you can see how valuable this is.

    It means there IS a loop hole that exists, if you're willing to leverage it. And that's fucking awesome.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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    Owen fan here, too. His videos keep getting better. Watching those females in their primal state is so revealing and entertaining.

    Important lesson in watching that dentist dude fail: develop some frickin' game. Having high value is worthwhile, but if you can't project alpha traits such as confidence, you'll still be failing hard with women.

    This is why the concept of DHV has significant limitations when you don't have decent game to accompany it. You can come across that try-hard who practically begs to be put in the provider/friend category.

    [–]p3ndulum 27 points28 points  (1 child)

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    "You're a dirty whore."

    "Haha, you're funny, what's your name??"

    "You're such a whore."

    "Omg, what's your name!?"

    "(Something about peanut butter)."

    Tight game is so fucking counterintuitive.

    This was a great video. A much softer, easier to swallow explaination of "AF/BB". Makes it hard to deny that it's a real phenomenon when it's caught live and candid.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    Think of how perverted and "naughty" gay & bi guys are with their female friends and how they get away with it. It's all said within frame. They know the guys are basically giving them shit, whereas a normal dude who says that probably says it attached with lots of baggage.

    So if you come off as a sexual non judgmental guy, I definitely think that can work.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 26 points27 points  (1 child)

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    SIDE. BAR.

    [–]whoops_fap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Agreed

    [–]JohnGalt316 48 points49 points  (62 children)

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    reinforces what i was saying

    exactly why i don't ever tell women my job

    [–]gohammer3 30 points31 points  (13 children)

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    His job wasn't the reason they put him in the provider bubble, it was his demeanor and body language.

    [–]JohnGalt316 42 points43 points  (11 children)

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    exactly, but if RSD Tyler told them he was a doctor, they would suddenly change the box of what they thought he was.

    if i'm out with a girl and making her vagina tingle, she is thinking that i'm just fun and a good temporary thing. nothing wrong with hooking up and never seeing me again.

    if i mention i'm a doctor, suddenly she wants to stick around. suddenly she doesn't want me to think she is easy etc etc.

    [–]RickAstleyPrevails 15 points16 points  (9 children)

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    Holy shit. I never realized this before. In a woman's eyes (when first meeting), you're saying I can either only be a player and someone she can have fun with - or, I can only be a provider but not both.
    I was under the assumption that if I express having a lucrative career that'd make her want to fuck me more. I never considered she might close her legs for a couple of weeks in order to try and make me chase after her.

    Hmmmm.... I need to read more books.

    [–]AwesomeAngle 1 point2 points  (7 children)

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    I thought guys like a bit of chase

    [–]RickAstleyPrevails 6 points7 points  (6 children)

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    Ehh, not really. Especially when the girl thinks she is special and deserves special treatment. I'm not going to kiss a girl's ass just to get a piece of it. There are 3 billion other options out there.

    Edit: guys, don't downvote her without giving an explanation. That's not cool.

    [–]Truggles 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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    This opened my eyes between the provider and player. I was having trouble understanding the differences in treatment between the two, but you just clarified it. Thanks.

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      [–]draketton 33 points34 points  (12 children)

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      "I don't go to college, I'm here to visit a friend" is the best answer you can give

      [–]project2501a 6 points7 points  (10 children)

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      how about "I am a doctor, Jim"?

      [–]Heuristics 13 points14 points  (7 children)

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      Doctors don't really get women, they get a woman, they get girlfriends. These girlfriends tend to transform into wives very fast.

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      Any advice what an actual doctor should say? Torn between dismissing it or accepting it but scared of being framed as dr provider.

      [–]Heuristics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Sorry, i'm not a doctor myself, I just work in a (research) office with loads of them. They all just appear to get married and plop out loads of children.

      If I had to take a wild guess at an approach would be to grab their interest by stating the profession and later on just saying the truth regarding what the future plans are.

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      Now a plastic surgeon...that's another story.

      [–]Meglomaniac 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      If shes a nerd, she would love it.

      If shes not, she wont get it and you'll look like an idiot.

      I like "male prostitute, Ill cut you a deal"

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        [–]gg_s 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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        Because she wasn't really asking that. She was provoking conversation and he failed to take the lead. A flat answer is boring and conveys disinterest. She was unimpressed not with his answer, but the way he answered.

        He should have said, "Chemical engineering; my meth is the bomb but I need a dealer, someone who won't draw a lot of attention... [look her up and down] You looking for work?"

        [–]2Mt_Arreat 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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        Haha, as a fellow ChemEng major, you'd think they'd be impressed by the salaries offered to graduates, right? It just isn't socially prestigious like a lawyer.

        [–]Engineer3227 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        I'm never talking about my username again.

        :'- (

        [–]RickAstleyPrevails 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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        I don't understand. Isn't a chemical engineer guaranteed a near 6 figure income after college? Why wouldn't she like hearing this?

        [–]_lion_ 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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        It has a connotation that you are more studios...less fun....a nerd....etc

        [–]RickAstleyPrevails 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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        God, TRP is fucking interesting.

        [–]_lion_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        If she is looking for boyfriend material...the chemical engineer is great....but for casual hookups....its different

        [–]wazzym 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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        Wait does that really mattter to getting one night stands? But what if I don't want to lie about what I do? also can someone tell more about this beta shaming test and how to avoid them? Where can i read about those...

        [–]JohnGalt316 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        when a woman learns you are funny/charming AND make a lot of money, she doesn't want to be a ONS but your wife.

        your career changes her expectations and your chances of getting laid

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        Here's another RSD video about beta shaming:

        http://youtu.be/eoFv41hjExE

        But the idea isn't to avoid it, if you are coming from the right place internally you simply won't be affected by it and will run through this form of shit test.

        [–]wazzym 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Thanks for the link buddy! :)

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Are you Squating Casanova? Lol

        [–]redbluepilling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Man you're probably going about it wrong if this is an issue. I have my degree in applied physics (and saying the specialization is a fucking mouthful), but it's just such a non-issue. Might lie/make a joke about what I do first for fun, but either way I just say it, and my frame doesnt change in the slightest. I couldn't care less about talking about it in detail since it could sound like bragging or bore the conversation with dry science-talk. Regardless, I keep on doing what I'm doing and keep things sexually fueled and escalating. In a way, it's part of who I am, the sexy-scientist, but at the same time, it doesn't define me. I am who I am right then and there in front of her. It's only one small facet to who I am, it's treated as just another positive attribute to go along with all the others.

        Thinking about it, I've sometimes clarified that I'm not like most and give a smug smile or use that as an excuse to do something a beta-provider wouldn't. I've also sometimes heard 'I wouldn't have guessed that!'--which is the idea.

        [–]1mr_throwz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Don't chemical engineers make pretty good money though?

        [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I replied with "chemical engineering" and that smile flipped upside down

        so just lean in and whisper, "and by that I mean I grow pot"

        [–]DarkSayed 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        This didn't occur to me before, because I always thought I had a respectable job. From the woman's point of view, it places me into a certain box.

        Really eye-opening.

        [–]icanteventhecat 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        I tell them I'm a professional grammar Nazi. It's actually half true (editor). They ask me if I'm going to correct their grammar. "Only if you buy me a drink."

        [–]drrtyfrrnr 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        "Only if you me a drink buy"

        [–]1Zackcid 44 points45 points  (28 children)

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        Tyler reads /r/TheRedPill 100%

        This is yet another video where he makes references to the niches we discuss here.

        Owen, reply to this comment if you're reading this! It's okay, we won't tell anybody that you frequent the Evil Headquarters of Misogyny-Central. Your public image will remain intact.

        [–]1Joelasaur 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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        If TRP is truth, then it doesn't matter where you discover it right? It should be reproducable with or without this subreddit.

        [–]everest108 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        This is sidebar material.

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          [–]1Zackcid 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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          Love how he's taking it a step further and actually bringing forth the RP truths to the Hamster itself. I'd be a little embarrassed to mention "provider-male" and alpha male, but he swapped the words a little and made it easier to agree with.

          [–]redpillordeadpill 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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          The amount of truth in here was almost refreshing to see.

          [–]whoops_fap 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          Almost? I feel like I just took a shower in a waterfall.

          [–]through_a_ways 14 points15 points  (10 children)

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          Something about Tyler's videos give off a bullshit vibe, even though they're anything but.

          Really not trying to bash him or anything, most of his videos are helpful and entertaining, but there's just something about them that also sets off my BS reflex.

          [–]vzhu 37 points38 points  (5 children)

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          It's the fast talking, animated salesman persona that he gives out. I've always been curious whether or not there was such a thing as 'quiet' or more subdued game.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Check out James Marshall on youtube, great example of low energy game.

          [–]deathhand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          aloof and mysterious is a 'subdued' game.

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          Wow he highlights the RP truths so well just here.. I didn't think it would be that obvious.

          [–]Dadoms 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Sidebar this joint HARD

          [–]Sherlock--Holmes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          It's all about speaking with authority as Tyler does. If you speak weak and you're not a leader in the conversation then women will accurately stick you in the non-leader bucket. They want a leader because leaders bring in the bacon. If you can make them laugh it translates to gaining allies in the primitive section of their brains. All evolutionary survival instincts. This is 101.

          Incidentally, everything about this video is why I left Miami. Women are fucked in the head there worse than usual. Sure looking back I had hundreds of women and I guess I was pretty good, but that place breeds gold digging fucked up mental bitches.

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          All cities do this. Humans evolved in small separated tribes. Everything about the females brain is wired for sexual selection amongst a small controlled group of males. What cities do is introduce them to a shit load of males, far more then their brain is designed to process. It instantly cause's them to elevate their own status because, to the female mind, a male that she see's is a male that is available to her. So if a bitch see's a super "alpha" dude walking around, she's instantly going to think she can sleep with him and want to discard her current partner. The "alpha" might not even know she exists and may already have a full soft-harem of girls and zero desire to have this one, makes no difference to her sexual selection.

          [–]swaggertank 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Owen is an amazing guy, a role-model.

          [–]z_omg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          We need to get an AMA going with Tyler. Right here at TRP.

          [–]abcd_z 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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          I felt bad for the guy at the beginning. Tyler was kind of being a dick to him and he just sat there and took it.

          [–]1Zackcid 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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          But we know that he'll come out twice as strong. These embarrassing failures are usually the best outcomes where you learn and grow the most. He may have lost the battle, but the war certainly isn't over. I think he needed that tough love from Owen.

          [–]Dreamtrain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          He knew what he was signing up to, and taking classes from the master himself. It's more likely in the future he will feel bad many here can't game like he can.

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            Tyler Durden is the only bro from the PUA community that I take seriously anymore.

            [–]DogeBets 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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            Very interesting how he mentions that people try to drain their mate or friends' energy to keep them from leaving. It's definitely something I've experienced with my friends, and how effective it is when you aren't conscious of it.

            I think this can be applied to family as well. A lot of betas will live with their parents for an extended amount of time, draining their own energy and keeping them beta, preventing them from changing and improving as a person.

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            Experienced it in a previous relationship. Expressed an interest in working out and moving up in my job. "You don't need to do all that! Really, why do you want to? You're fine as you are".

            [–]1ThumpNuts 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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            I come to this subreddit to read about people who have "woken up" or learn about some techniques and basically reinforce and clarify what I have already experienced to be true. Being born with TRP in my veins, I'm not going to hear a lot of things that will "open my eyes," so to speak - but, WOW.

            This guy is the fucking truth.

            When I first saw this video I thought, "Here is this fucking dweeb Beta intellectualizing about why his friend doesn't get laid. What the fuck does this guy know." But, as with everything, I keep an open mind and I listen to either justify my opinion or change it completely. This guy shattered my expectations.

            The part that blew my mind is when he talks about being mad at the Beta shaming. NOT because I get mad at Beta shaming, as a matter of fact, I get really frustrated by the amount of guys around here who hate on women for being women. If you really do not like women, go fuck guys. Newsflash: You are ONE step away from being a homo. Embrace it and get the fuck out of my way -- less competition for me.

            MY problem is that I am very quick [too quick] to dismiss a girl that isn't into me. In my mind, if a girl gives me shit about being fresh or being too touchy-feely, I next that bitch. I think, "Oops, you fucked up, girl. Now you don't get my dick." But Tyler opens up a whole new method in my arsenal. He uses it as leverage. Now I can too. Not that I will every time, but it's always good to have options.

            Tyler is the real deal.

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              Exactly. That's why I kept using the word "truth." He isn't being a phony, he's using his tools and techniques in a very straight forward way that plays into his true personality. He a jokester and all, but he doesn't "dumb" himself down when he's interacting with these girls. He stays at a high energy while being an intellectual and has fun with it. AND, he's not using "lines" and "canned" routines. It's all free flowing from the confidence he has in his own REAL strengths. AND, even when he did get angry, he was able to recognize it quickly and riff off of it.

              This guy is "in the zone."

              [–]hairaware 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              Are you guys actually complaining about women instead of taking away the value from this video.

              [–]veritableill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Great video

              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

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              that guys so awesome. You immediately know he gets a truckload of pussy. He definitely needs to check out /r/malefashionadvice though, the fit of that suit is horrible.

              [–]phattsao 45 points46 points  (1 child)

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              Apparently he doesn't need to

              [–]FuckYeahIDid 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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              no one should get complacent, there's always room for improvement

              [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

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              Not giving a fuck is a helluva drug.

              [–]AdmiralVonJackass 17 points18 points  (2 children)

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              He mentioned he was wearing that shitty outfit to prove a point.

              [–]Dreamtrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              And point proven.

              [–]rothkochapel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              towards the end: "if you wanna be a fun guy, you gotta be non-judgemental"

              this is what most guys who are new to trp have the most trouble accepting.

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              Exactly, I see too many bitter guys around here who hate women for being women. It makes no sense, it's like they want women to act like men even though it's against their hard wired nature. What they should do is accept things for the way they are and work within this system to be successful.

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              I would have expected Owen aka Tyler to be more attractive.

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                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                No need to get defensive. I'm sure he is successful with women. I'm saying that he's not really that physically attractive.

                [–]2 Mredpillschool 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                You know, most guys aren't really that attractive. I'm surprised how hot the chicks I pull are, and I'm rarely as attractive as I know they could get- so, it really is about personality.

                In fact- somebody as tuned-in to game as this guy would have to be somebody just ugly enough to learn how to work game. A male model would have terrible game.

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                That's what makes it great. If he were incredibly handsome everyone would be saying shit like "oh women only talk to him because he's attractive" and this gets rid of those bullshit excuses.

                [–]32847239 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                This motherfucker is dedicated

                [–]Complecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I loved that video. Very interesting stuff here, I love how he breaks everything down.

                [–]charlesbukowksi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I love this guy.

                [–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I'm fully aware of how women are, yet I still find it infuriating. Double-standards is a big pet peeve of mine. It hits the " I will fucking kill you, bitch" spot every damn time..

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                Holy shit. To actually see it in action from an outside perspective is fascinating. I'm going to spend a couple weeks just observing instead of engaging in the club/bar environment.

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                    [–]Endorsed Contributorn0c0ntr0l 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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                    Well.. you'll quickly realize the majority of guys out there aren't having fun. And the girls are desperately dancin hoping for the attention of the 5 hottest guys in the room.

                    Watching club dynamics is definitely something to do at some point, but that would be after getting some basic game down first.

                    If you want to make a game out of it, get a girl and you two have to guess who is gonna approach who next, etc. Can be quite fun.

                    [–]blazingblue16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    I saw a short ugly dude, holding a beer creeping all night, and he waits until majority of the people leave to grind on some plastered chick and obviously gets rejected.

                    Don't be that dude.

                    [–]Phaint 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                    Perfect preparation is a form of procrastination.

                    [–]1NV0K3R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    I've actually done some of this shit inadvertently, go figure. I just like calling pretty girls out on shit though so /shrug.

                    What does it make you if you see the beta shaming and just laugh? I didn't feel angry or exciting, I just thought it was fucking hilarious.

                    [–]Kloohorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Beta males will find this infuriating while alphas will be excited by the prospect.

                    I found the interaction neither infuriating or exciting, I just thought it was hilarious he could easily control their actions.

                    [–]FullMetalAsshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    I love the RSD Videos and Owens in particular however from what I can remember they tend not to talk about the underlying base for Owens crazy level of game...the fact that he turned his passion (picking up chicks) into a successful and sustainable business (RSD as a hole).

                    Yes game is all about practice like any other skill but how much easier for him is it when he is fulfilling his passion through his business everyday?

                    Its the subtle difference between Owen and a janitor with an equal level of game. Owen goes home after an unsuccessful night and thinks "Fuck it tomorrow I'm doing what I want anyways" and he walks around like the boss of his own life. The janitor guy could pull 3 10's and have an orgy but the next day hes scrubbing toilets.

                    Owen has a lot more freedom in this case because he invested so much not only into himself but also into a career which offers him peace of mind whereas the janitor has a shakier base upon which to build his man empire.