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[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 117 points118 points  (44 children)

Seen too many chumps play the other end of this card. Got one buddy who's especially blue. Brings a chick over for a movie, makes little to no attempt at escalation, and then wonders why he's forever relegated to only being her movie-watching friend. He's since tried escalating (at my insistence) but now "She doesn't want to ruin the good thing they have".

Not escalating is precisely the same thing as telling her you don't want to fuck her.

[–]ktappe 26 points27 points  (2 children)

"She doesn't want to ruin the good thing they have".

At which point he needs to walk out. Make it clear to her that she is the one ruining the good thing they have.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 15 points16 points  (0 children)

[–]topspeedj 36 points37 points  (7 children)

1) Have date, get to her place / your place

2) Escalate

3) If you get LMR, walk out the door / tell her to leave

4) She lets you show her why she was wrong to LMR

It's like magic.

[–]spartan1337 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

What if she's in your place and you have to give her a ride back? you can't tell her to gtfo that way right?

[–]MeanOfPhidias 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Sounds like a her problem?

"Im taking you home now" doesn't work for you?

[–]vicious_armbar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is why you shouldn't be giving girls rides to take them on dates. You're not a taxi, and I'm sure you want to be able to easily bail with minimal drama instead of wasting my time on a dead lead.

Come over to my house? Great. Come over to your place? Maybe, if you're hot. Drive you around town? Forget about it!

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 11 points12 points  (20 children)

Oh God. You're bro is a FZ bestie?

That blows.

If I were in a situation where I was spending QT with a girl and she laid that line on me I would laugh in a bitch's face and say, "Do you really expect me to swallow that line of bullshit?" Followed by exactly what OP did.

That is some seriously insulting shit for a girl to lay on you - and any man with a proper set of stones would say "Oh hell naw... You got to GTFO with that dumb shit."

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 7 points8 points  (19 children)

I sometimes wonder if his balls ever descended, but I've known the guy from way back before I became red.

He's a good reminder of what can happen if you let yourself go beta.

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    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 21 points22 points  (16 children)

    You don't force TRP on unwilling BP'ers. They don't react well. They're very invested in their fantasy reality.

    I've fed him some PC-polished TRP tenets though, some of which he's taken to heart. He's seen my success with women, I'm pretty sure I'm breaking him down.

    [–]laere 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    What do you guys think about kissing her instantly as she walks into the door? Going to try it Saturday night, given she doesn't flake.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Works better if it's not your first time meeting her, but it's not a bad idea. You want to develop a sexual climate, going for an early kiss does just that.

    If she puts up resistance, play it off like it's no big deal, start again later after you've done some more primitive kino.

    [–]NicCageForPresident 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I tried a variant of this recently to see if I could circumvent any conversation/bs when a plate came over. I told her to wear a skirt/short shorts. She asked why, I said "because". When she walked in the door I said, "Heyyyyy. Turn around, hands on the wall". Physically turned her against the wall, told her to stick her butt out, and felt her up. When she turned around, I grabbed her hand to lead her to the couch, but instead she immediately latched onto my face.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like something straight from the "Sex God Method" book popular on here. Enjoying the rich harvest?

    [–]cdogg75 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    just make sure that she knows your SMV is higher than hers, or you might get shot down right away

    [–]qualia00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've been on the other side of this before. When I went to leave the girl even initiated an intense makeout session with me. So blue before.

    [–]gqtrees 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    what would be appropriate way to physically start escalating when watching a movie? cliche arm around her? i suck at that...tips please! thanks

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Make sure you're applying the normal levels of kino first (sit really close to her, have your arm around her from the beginning, rest your hand on her thigh, etc). At some point in the movie just go in for a kiss. If you're at that stage there's an incredibly small chance she'll resist.

    Make out for a while, escalating kino appropriately. Eventually that'll lead to fucking. The Vin DiCarlo escalation ladder is a pretty good resource in case you need a step-by-step.

    [–]gqtrees 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    what if she pulls away when i go in for kiss? or says something that can possible break my frame. I have broken frame like that before..and ruined my chances entirely. What are some example stuff i can do to keep frame?

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Play it off as no big deal. You're obviously operating from a scarcity mentality (I hardly blame you, we all start somewhere). Try to put yourself in the mindset that if she doesn't want to put out, she's the one losing out on the prize. You'll just focus your efforts on someone else.

    But back to escalation, just let a few minutes pass and escalate more slowly this time. Rub her upper arms, pull her in to you so her head is resting on you, and then try again. If she freezes you out then promptly end things right there. You do not want to be seen as her platonic friend. Ask her politely to leave.

    [–]gqtrees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    upboat! thanks for the tips!

    [–]Sliepnir 34 points35 points  (9 children)

    Nothing like passing some strong LMR to make you feel like a man.

    [–]sirdomino 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    LMR? I didn't see that in the glossery.

    [–]ktappe 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Neither did I; it needs to be added. "Last-minute resistance".

    [–]sirdomino 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Thanks! :) Makes much more sense, I thought it was "Losing My Redpill" or something. lol. ;)

    [–]Ironwolf200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There are loads of terms that should be added to the glossary. Like what exactly the RP definition of "Divorce-rape" is. And "ASD", as in "Anti-Slut Defence", opposed to "Autism Spectrum Disorder".

    [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 29 points30 points  (13 children)

    Seriously, after you got your dick sucked and knocked the bottom out that pussy with the girl being all about you afterwards - did you feel dead inside?

    I mean, because that's what I heard, that not being some spineless chump and getting girls to like you and have sex with you by using "TRP methods" (having confidence, self-esteem and being clear about what you will and will not tolerate) makes you feel "dead inside" (whatever the fuck that means).

    [–]CornyHoosier 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I always hear that I will only have "empty relationships".

    Considering half of marriages end in divorce (which means the man ends up losing his home/things/money/children), I'm more than okay with wanting to stay out of the relationship scene until I find a woman who is worth it.

    If I never find her, then c'est la vie. In the mean time I have plenty of family and friends to fill my emotional needs and plenty of time & money to invest in myself and my future.

    [–]trueRPblooded 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    after you got your dick sucked and knocked the bottom out that pussy

    Saving that to use at a later date.

    feel "dead inside"

    Honestly its just another form of shaming. "How dare you flex your masculinity and have what you want although we are willing to give it to you". Most would want us to believe that when it comes to sexual encounters and escalation the ultimate choice should be the woman's and hers only, your sexual desires are to play no part in whether the night escalates to sex or not.

    This is why LMR tactics work so well to weed out BP'ers and why we have a sub-set of "game" designed to shoulder drop through them.

    [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    That whole TalShar post was so fucking stupid.

    Communica-a-a-a-a-a-ation...

    What a fedora-tipping, M'Lady saying moron.

    that's what the Red Pill is: cold, calculated, systematic emotional torture meant to produce a desired response. Methods like keeping your prisoner guessing, changing what you want, keeping them off balance, those are all interrogation techniques meant to break your prisoner down on a mental and emotional level and produce a compliant charge.

    TIL that not getting played out by fickle women is torturing them.

    This dude has no idea about WTF he is talking about.

    The irony is OP did exactly what TalFedora suggested. He communicated what his wants and needs were. It's the white knighting bullshit response that TalBeta has - when doing such a thing results in a favorable sexual outcome for the man - the automatic assumption is that the woman is a victim and must be saved. It's only not misogyny when the women orchestrates the physical interaction from start to finish.

    How dare that misogynistic pig have sex with a woman that went back to his apartment with him?

    I finally brought myself to read through that pollyanna bullshit post and it's laughable about how naive that fucker is.

    For every type, there is a countertype. There is someone out there for just about everyone.

    Yeah nobody ever ends up single and alone...

    In truth, the Red Pill as they represent it isn't a true awakening at all. It's a capitulation to a false dichotomy. A true awakening is realizing that the people around you are more than just faces, that they all have their own stories, their own thoughts, hopes and dreams, and that they are just as complex as you are.

    TalFag... Let me tell you something...

    You know what kills you inside? Allowing yourself to be manipulated by women. Getting ignored and being alone. Being Michael in college in Michael's story ---->.

    For me personally it was being made homeless because of a bullshit protection order used in a divorce. Being forcibly estranged from my children. Losing all of my assets. Getting my income garnished for more than a decade.

    Lets put this into perspective, here TalDork.

    Nobody ever said this is a dichotomy. It's a spectrum that has a different definition skewed to each individual's vision of personal happiness. Alpha and Beta are the ends in the extreme. We all make choices on how assertive we are and how much we want to enforce the boundaries we have defined with the people in our lives. Being "Alpha" is a strict adherence to one's personal principles. Being "Alpha" is drawing a hard line with what you are willing to put up with.

    In OP's simple example - girl comes over to his house, plays a little game with him about how physical she wants to get, he states what the defined boundary is and she has a choice adhere to it or leave. Guess what? She stays. She has agency. She can leave if she wants to.

    The world is not a fair place - you need to fully comprehend that. Being a leader in your household and not allowing yourself to be manipulated is how you avoid being killed inside.

    It's not TRP that increases the suicide rates for divorced men. It's the beta-dipshittery you are pushing TalMoron.

    TRP LTR game is not about abusing women as this dumb fuck thinks it is. That is not how Captain-First mate works. Believe it or not, you are allowed to love your partner/spouse - you just make sure you clearly state what the dos and don't are and stick to your guns.

    It is not torture to dread game a partner who is acting inappropriately. In those situations, the issue stems from selfishness and a lack of respect of the man's feelings and desires. Telling them you are unhappy like Dr. Phil isn't going to work. That's the whole point of dread. Most of the time that is the only way you are going to properly communicate your displeasure of the situation - by using real consequence.

    If you can't even handle a woman back at your place, then you are woefully ill-equipped to handle a marriage. This is where the learning starts. This is how men can successfully navigate relationships in their life.

    [–]trueRPblooded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I find it all comes down to well-established lines in LTR. Even ones you may think to be common sense and adhered to universally sometimes (most of the time) need to be enforced.

    The most important part of all this is the power dynamics when your dating or first starting to see each other. It sets the tone the entire way through the relationship.

    Had this guy let her watch her movie she most likely would have just rolled over and attempted to sleep. Quote me on this when I say, every women knows what being invited back to a guys house means... sure they can play innocent and dumb for a bit, but they 100% know that after a date or some kind of intimate activity if you are going back to a house of the opposite gender there is the potential some escalation up to and including sex. She agreed to be there. Hence there is interest.

    If he had let her go to sleep or cut it short of the sex (that she wanted!!!!) she would never be able to take our brother here seriously.

    If you can't even handle a woman back at your place, then you are woefully ill-equipped to handle a marriage.

    I 100% agree with this and want to add not only marriage but spinning plates or any type of LTR or even non-sexual relationship.

    If you don't actively pursue what you want in life you will never get it.

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      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I wonder if all the divorced fathers that committed suicide ever tried respecting their ex-wives human complexity?

      This idiot is advocating serving up ones balls on a silver platter - with fucking parsley and orange slice garnish.

      [–]1wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The notion that they are dead inside comes from the types of men whose lives' meaning is completely determined by the ups and downs of their relationships with women.

      When in reality, the ups and downs are all imagined, they are only as close to success with her as the woman allows. And unsurprisingly, those ups and downs correlate to the careful balance the woman is playing with his heart, giving and taking just enough attention to keep him around while getting the validation and "option" that she needs.

      They associate feeling alive with these emotions, yet fail to realize they are at the complete mercy of the girl. And when she gets buttfucked by their friend in a threesome or some shit, it adds juicy "meaning" to the captivating tragedy that is their life. They feel alive because they're the suffering hero of their own little story.

      They project the label of "dead inside" on the men they wish they could be because they can't imagine a frame of mind that doesn't qualify existence on valiant suffering. They can't imagine actually getting what they want, or living for themselves, or god forbid not giving a shit about trying to please a woman.

      I think that's the first step to shedding the Blue Pill mentality. Stop viewing your life as some unaffectable tragedy where you're the sympathetic protagonist. Because the truth is you're the pathetic loser who is the butt end of everyone else's good time in this world. You have complete control over your life. And if you don't want to be used, or if you want to actually achieve something you want, you need to be the one striving for that reality. Because no one else will make it happen for you.

      [–]mrheh 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Not dead but empty...but that's only because he just drained his balls.

      [–]Sexualreddit0r 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I met my ex at a club we were both working at. I was bouncing and she was a purse check girl (ancient history), a mutual friend introduced us. I laid it on thick, as I'm not one to waste time and she was pretty aloof, which I read to be dullness (think Adrian from the first Rocky). We met privately, a couple days later. I brought her flowers and she cleaned dog shit off my shoe without prompting. I tried to pork her. She gave me the "I'm not like that, I want to get to know you.gov hashtag NAWALT" speech. I said its getting late, I'll hit you up some time.

      A week later our mutual friend calls me because my ex was asking her everyday if she'd heard anything from me. They arranged for us to cross paths at her place. I took her in the den and fucked her head upside down until she pissed and puked and then I fucked her butt and put the filled condom in her mouth and told her to chew on it. The next time we met, she brought her best friend over and I fucked them both in my living room. We were inseparable for several years.

      How I handled her, initially, wasn't malicious or detached. There was no attachment, as we were practically strangers. Further, my only reason for engaging her in the first place is because I wanted to fuck her. I had just moved back to my home town, after five years and I was totally focused on building my business. So when I wasn't moonlighting at that club, I was out and about, trying to make things happen. I didn't care for social bullshit (still don't) and if I went around girls, it wasn't to discuss politics or whether I was a cat or dog person. I wanted pussy.

      If you want pussy, why beat around the bush? Let it be known. But it's a bit tricky, sometimes. Why? Because the worst thing that could happen is her saying no, right? Wrong. The worst thing that could happen, is you not being clear about your intentions and turning into the cuddle buddy and guy that brings her lunch at her job. Fuck that.

      You don't have to be a dick about it, but you have to be deliberate. Leave no room for ambiguity. If she balks, lose her number. Plenty of fish in the sea.

      [–]qaiszer0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I was a black belt blue pill beta, through social conditioning and brainwashing by my parents, family, society, media. I always preached (while being a virgin lol), yeah those guys are having sex with the girls but they can't have a meaningful relationship, me talking about deep topics with these girls (where I was clearly in the friendzones and refused to accept), this was something real, or apparently I thought so.

      That's what relationships are about, knowing the person inside out, talking, trusting them, these guys who want sex were monsters. Why didn't any of these girls be with me let alone fuck me then? Because I was whoring myself out, giving emotional support, on demand validation and ego boosts, all in exchange for nothing.

      I was a rabbit jumping for a carrot on a stick. A carrot I would never get to taste.

      Fast forward being fucked over by being beta blue pill multiple times, I started reading into all of this stuff, not really red pill (I came to these conclusions myself after seeing female behaviors), but just seddit kinda stuff.

      So now, I see that the exact same girls, I make it known the only value they have to me is for what I want, I want to fuck them because I find them attractive. What happens now? They become obsessed with me, they want to date me, be my girl, I've even been proposed to by a woman. I just fuck them, and everything is on my terms, they know I do not give a fuck, there is no pedestal. I'm on the pedestal.

      Am I a monster now? Am I dead inside? No. I feel 10000x happier, I consistently get what I want, I understand woman logic (or the lack of it). I can pick whoever I want to be my girlfriend pretty much, if I feel a girl has more to offer and I want to spend time with her, I can. It's my choice now.

      Always have sex with a girl first. Sex is her bargaining chip, it's her tool. Once you've taken that from her she will change, she will let herself be completely vulnerable and open to you. Now you can see how she really is. She will let her guard down for you. Once you've had sex with a girl, you can so easily choose if you want something more from her, she will insist on it, but is she worth it? 'If you like me then we can hang out without having sex', but do I really like her, as a person? You can see clearly. You are not blinded by desire now.

      I can have meaningful relationships, I have many, some were committed and some we did all the gf/bf stuff while I was allowed to do what I want with other women and I told her she can, but she didn't want to.

      How do I feel about all of this now? I feel like all I've done is taken full control of my life. I won't settle for that first girl from HS who was my only option because she was ugly and undesired. I won't settle for being treated like some second rate beggar in a relationship, having to be paranoid about her loyalty because I know she has no need to be loyal to me. When you're being a beta cunt, IT IS YOUR FAULT whatever happens.

      Women are biologically inclined to behave in certain ways, you've seen it, it's textbook once you know about it. Stop chasing a fucking unicorn, swallow the harsh truth and embrace it, it's the only way. That's the closest thing you'll get to being happy. I still hope to find that perfect, loyal, amazing woman one day. I know she probably doesn't exist, I know I can never be fully vulnerable, I have to stay this way forever, I have to handle my problems and insecurities on my own, me weaknesses. I won't be able to share them with her. This is the burden of being a man.

      Look at our fathers, a lot of them have been through hell. Have you ever seen him break down? Did you ever wonder how he's so fucking strong willed, never submitting to a god damn thing? Truth is he's not, he just knows what it means to be a masculine man. He knows that his problems, fears, insecurities are his alone and he must handle them, alone.

      It's a lonely road, but it's better than the alternative.

      Now I'm the guy I used to hate, and I pity the guy I used to be. I feel bad for him, I wish I could help that guy if I saw him. But I know he would never listen, he wasn't ready to. He hadn't been hurt enough. 'y...y..you can't treat women like that' 'b..b.b..but you don't love her and I do, I care about her!' No you don't you dumb fuck, you want to fuck her too, you desire her and you're lying to yourself, you have no options so this seems special to you. She's using you for your free company, emotional support, constant validation, money, while she's offering all those things and her entire being to me. It's much better to be this guy.

      [–]FrameWalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This could be its own front page post

      [–]rain_delay 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Have you ever jacked off and then felt shameful about it? Your just like... ugh, what did I just do?

      I get that way with women. She could be an 8 and as soon as I nut, I either want her to GTFO, or I GTFO. Instantly. I'm not sure why that is.

      Is this me feeling "dead inside"?

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      No, this you being momentarily free of a driving sexual urge

      If you have a sexual compulsion that leads you to feel self-loathing after sex, then you need to check yourself and what your priorities are.

      Sounds like you have a weird hang-up. Why do you feel guilt about consensual sex? If you are running some hardcore game of bait and switch bullshit lies to get in bitches' panties, and that leaves you feeling like a douchebag afterwards, then change your game.

      You don't have to lie to get in drawers. You don't have to lead girls on. You shouldn't have to lead them on.

      If you want to have a clear head about knocking boots, then just be straight up. Don't make any promises you can't keep.

      If having sex with multiple hotties makes you feel bad because you are fucking too many girls and you want to be more chilled out about it, then don't fuck that many girls. Easy solution.

      You can be choosy and only have sex with girls you might be interested in an LTR with.

      Don't confuse that with not having outcome independence however. Don't ever sellout like a chump.

      If its really about not having your lust for pussy rule you, then don't let your lust for pussy rule you.

      Whether it's one girl or ten girls, you still maintain a take it or leave it mentality. In the end, it isn't necessarily about what you do get - it's about what you can get.

      EDIT: "Spinning plates" might not be everyone's cup of tea. Still doesn't mean you develop oneitis. You have to maintain a monk's mental discipline, either way. It's just easier to do if you have a few casual relationships going at once.

      [–]qaiszer0 40 points41 points  (5 children)

      I don't remember where I found this LMR advice, but when I was encountering some crazy LMR with a girl it came to me like a lightbulb moment, applied it, and it worked like a charm and always does.

      Similar scenario to you, kissing, whatever, she kept pulling away randomly, letting me fully caress her, sliding my hand up her shirt etc, but kept moving my hand off after a bit, pulling away and saying random shit, basically saying she doesn't want to.

      What did I do? I laughed a little and pulled away, completely stopped and said okay then, I won't touch you at all dw. Laptop was there so I just went on facebook and started looking what people were up to.

      She just silently sat next to me for a minute or two staring at me, while I was looking at hot girls fb pics and other girls were messaging me. She tried to stroke my arm, moved her hand away 'no touching remember?'.

      She said 'but I like it when you touch me', I told her that's too bad I don't want to anymore. I got up because I wanted to go buy some smokes from the shop.

      She literally jumped on me, pushed me down onto the bed and started borderline raping me. She was so into it that my mind was kinda blown.

      Funny thing is, I genuinely thought fuck it, she's resisting so much I don't give a shit if we don't have sex, I guess she genuinely doesn't want me so she can fuck off then. Stayed up all night instead.

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        [–]epic_pig[🍰] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        I prefer this method. It turns the tables on the LMR thing, sets her up as the 'aggressor' and thus minimises some of the other risks.

        [–]1cover20 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        Leaving your own place makes less sense than kicking her out.

        [–]1TheReason13 100 points101 points  (0 children)

        First class!

        Remember that you are a man with healthy, functional reproductive organs. Never be ashamed of being a man and never shy away from expressing your needs as a man. Your sexual urges are a sign of virility and vitality, be proud of them.

        [–]Labore_Et_Constantia 20 points21 points  (5 children)

        Inb4 rape accusations

        Just kidding, good work buddy!

        [–]pauly_pants 37 points38 points  (1 child)

        He raped her by manipulating her in her non-intoxicated state of mind into having sex with him when he wanted it. Book em boys.

        [–]myschadenfreude 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Sad part this could happen. I had a feminist tell PUA used tricks and manipulation.

        What do you think response to a situation is? I buy a girl a drink because she says, "That beer looks good; will you get me one?" Do I say she manipulated me? No! Am I a chump and her a champ if I keep buying with nothing in return? Yup.

        How many times have you seen girls play guys for drinks then split? Yup.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Even if I was a college student in California, she was screaming "YES" multiple times.

        Consent obtained!

        [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

        She could be faking enjoyment because she's scared. That's 2 extra rayps. Way to go. HITLER.

        [–]2asd1100 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        Good FR, but great TLDR, especially for our anglo saxons brothers

        As a sexual man, all interactions with you must be sexual;

        From the first stare, to the hello, to the constant kino escalation, to the low and breathy tone of voice, to the first kiss lasting for minutes of just shameless sensual indulgence, to the first strong dominant almost overwhelming embrace, to the start of the sexual escalation, and the almost rapey frame of "taking her", without recourse and objection(of course you stop if she says no for any feminist wondering how long my rap sheet is), to the actual animalisic fucking and expresion of pure lust, desire and pleasure. For her to be sexual you need to be sex, you need to be a walking talking fully erect dick.

        [–]BluepillProfessor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Way to go! I can't count the number of my friends who have actually slept with a girl- naked- and walked around the next day with their head down like a beaten puppy with blue balls. They just stayed in her frame- "hold me!" The proper answer is GTFO- I am a sexual beast and if you don't want all of me then I certainly don't want to lay here like a whipped dog and "hold you."

        Again, it is CRITICAL that you don't act butthurt about it. Just be matter-of-fact. This is the way it is going to be. My way or the highway. Assert your dominance and watch her pussy moisten and swell.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        BPP - when they realize you're not going to get limp-shouldered and do shit that puts you in an uncomfortable and unwanted position (like play the "touch me, don't touch me" chase game all night) they realize that little thrill is going to be denied them. It's at that point they make the choice...

        Do they want to fuck the guy or don't they?

        If they went back to the guy's apartment alone for cocktails odds are they were DTF to begin with. Dude basically just calls them out on that.

        They didn't come over to play paddy-cakes. They came over to get fucked - and to love getting fucked.

        What's the worse that could happen when you throw out the ultimatum? Girl leaves? Better than watching a bullshit movie you hate and getting dick teased all night.

        Better to kick the bitch out and flip over to the history channel or put on some scifi. Better yet - get a good night's rest. All better than stressing yourself out with indecision while a chick laughs at you all night for being a chump.

        [–]rufusjonz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Being willing to walk away from various situations (but not in an angry manner, like you mentioned) is very effective and increases your own personal power.

        [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 15 points16 points  (7 children)

        It's a good thing you managed to have sex and she was affectionate right after. In situations like yours, I would expect some women would end up having sex, but possibly regretting it later, which is risky.

        I think using the usual tips to prevent false-rape accusations would apply here, like sending an SMS telling her you had a great time and asking her if she did too (which, I know, sounds beta, but is a compromise we must take) and saving that interaction.

        [–]CornyHoosier 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        I'd love to hear that conversation ...

        "Yes, we met on Tinder and there are records of us flirting. Yes, we went out on a date and were physical during it. Yes, I went back to his house afterwards alone. Yes, we were very physical while watching a movie. Yes, he asked me to leave if I felt uncomfortable not wanting to have sex. Yes, I happily participated in coitus .... but afterward when I got home I felt like he raped me."

        [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 18 points19 points  (2 children)

        Or she could just come up with any random made up shit and everyone would still believe her.

        [–]yeahweewee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        yeah but you would never be convicted, too bad the accusation would still fuk you

        [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I don't think the accusation would hurt, at least not much. People including women are very unsympathetic to false rape claims these days.

        [–]edmproducerXX 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Or just CCTV your bedroom. Nothing can be more evident that visual evidence.

        [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You can send "I had a great time" but don't mention sex.

        If she has to convince a court (1) you had sex and (2) she did not consent, why give away (1) ?

        You two spent some time together in her apartment and there was no evidence of forced sex, since in fact she did consent and you didn't have to force anything. Let her try to prove rape. There is just no case.

        [–]GonewildGoldUser 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Good work dude. You saw the situation for what it was and handled it like a champ.

        Keep in mind, don't be angry when you do this. Lay out the situation factually and briefly as possible. Leave no room for misinterpretation.

        Fantastic point. Why be angry? Anger will only lead to negativity. Centre yourself, think before you act and handle that shit.

        [–]PlanB_pedofile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Good field report. I can see the blue pill accusing this shit as rape despite you clearly laid down the rules. You're interested in sex. Honest and up front about the sex. If she doesn't want the sex then she's free not to waste your time and can leave.

        If she didn't want the sex, she could go home and find another date and written you off. But.... she wanted the sex and you held your frame very well.

        Wtg on being honest with your intentions. No manipulation, no lying, no gaming, just pure "I'm hanging with you to fuck" from the get go.

        [–]CornyHoosier 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        If a woman who is half your size trusts you and thinks it's a good idea to go to your house after a date, then you should have a little siren going off in your head letting you know she's good to go.

        Escalate. Escalate. Escalate.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        -I'm not a movie buddy

        Well played sir!

        [–]TheWorldToCome 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Almost all interactions come down to sex, business, personal, and otherwise.

        [–]MartialWay 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        "Everything is about sex. Except for sex, which is about power." - House of Cards.

        [–]alucard4571 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "Ass, Grass, or Cash, Nobody rides for free".

        Words to live by.

        [–]vnjxk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Advance concept of "tits or gtfo"

        [–]Space-Boy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        So many acronyms. Can someone splain' me what fr and GRE means

        [–]redpillbison 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I would be happy to splain' you.

        FR stands for field report, his recap of the events.

        GFE is Girlfriend Experience. a service provided by escorts where affection and non sexual intimacy are provided as well as sex

        [–]TheSliceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The strategy you described of total "icing" I have never ever heard of not working.

        It might be the most sure-fire, but ballsy, way to plow a shit-test in existence.

        [–]PersianDj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Tinder chicks! Enough said

        [–]zlex 6 points7 points  (11 children)

        Good work. Pro-tip: movies are always a shit idea for a date. They are way too long to use as a build-up for foreplay, and it can be awkward to transition from total silence to sex. If you must use the TV then watch a short episode of something. You'll encounter much less LMR if you are actually engaging the girl before sex.

        [–]LibertarianLibertine 28 points29 points  (5 children)

        Protip: you dont actually watch the movie, you just talk, escalate and fuck with the movie in the background

        [–]the_hibachi 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Yea man. Movies have come through for me too many times to discount them as a method. One of my go-to's for a quick bang (you don't have to wait till the movie is over)

        [–]LibertarianLibertine 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Mind I ask, what are other similar 'go-to's? I tend to never get results as good as when the date consists of watching a movie.

        [–]the_hibachi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Drinks at my place, dessert (either store bought ice cream or a dq walking distance from my apt), come take a dip in my apt's pool, tv shows also work well as other people in this thread have pointed out. Bang out an episode or two depending on length then bang it out. If I wanted to throw in an activity to elevate the comfort level of a girl I haven't met before (read: Tinder), I have also used paddleboarding (also walking distance from my apt). This may seem time consuming but the sessions are only an hour, so it's actually a pretty quick way for us to get a nice rapport going and get comfortable around each other in minimal clothing (and for her to catch some glimpses of what I got goin on body wise while doing a harmless activity). It's sneaky sexual

        [–]the_hibachi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Watch the movie in a bedroom (on a laptop if needed, it doesn't matter as long as there is something external in the background). Escalate halfway in. Make conversation, talk about the movie and ratchet things up physically as you're chatting. If she's there watching the movie with you, there's a very good chance she wants to be physical. Take a shot.

        Edit: just disregard this post. I misread what you said

        [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Movies are too long. TV shows are too short. Stand up comedy specials are usually the right length of time (typically 55 min), plus if she is laughing she will be in a positive mood. Throw on some redpill comedian like Jim Jefferies.

        [–]SomebodyCool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Pro-tip: movies are always a shit idea for a date. They are way too long to use as a build-up for foreplay, and it can be awkward to transition from total silence to sex.

        There's no law that says you have to be silent during a movie, especially if you both know the date is not really about watching a movie. Personally I've only had good experiences with 'going home to watch a movie' deals.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Doesn't really matter what you are "watching." When you"watch a movie" back at your house with a girl, it usually is understood between both parties that there really won't be any "watching." Even my 13 year old BP self knew that

        [–]epic_pig[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Futurama worked for me.

        [–]NicCageForPresident 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Fucking excellent.

        TRP Bot agrees

        [–]hermit087 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I take that as a sign and then pulled her to me on the bed. We ended up fucking right there

        According to the state of California and most feminists, this was a clear case of rape.

        [–]Tarnsman4Life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        All sex, even "consensual" sex is rape according to some feminists because of the power imbalance and the patriarchy.

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          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Of course there's nothing wrong with that.

          BUT, it's dangerous.

          Because the vast majority of guys WILL want to bang her if they are already fingering her and making out with her shirt off. You may not to. But you must admit most guys are also going for full sex there right?

          Based on that, the fact that they have now clearly expressed a desire for full sex and then they back off and submit to her will hurt them in the long run in terms of how "alpha" she views them. After all, if she can shut a guy down regarding a basic & very valued physical need (sex), what else can she pull? Why not free drinks? Why not flake 2 hours before the next date? Why not cheating? Slippery slope.

          Once you go down that road, it's dangerous. Is it impossible to get sex later if you stopped and let her sleep? Of course not. But why lose that battle if sex was your goal in the first place? I don't believe I should have to lose any battle in that regard. And I think it's a slippery slope when guys say "ohhh I'll get her next time so I let her shut me down!"

          For me, I don't understand guys who allow girls (or anyone) to make them do what they explicitly don't want to do (i.e. stop sex and cuddle instead). Why would you let someone do that when it's fully not immoral at all to ask her to leave? (you're not obligated to let a girl stay and "rest"). I personally would rather sleep alone or do something else and so that is why I make them leave if they're not DTF.

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            [–]whatcanredditdo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            This is spot on. I think your downvotes are from tone policing faggots.

            [–]AlphaMilady 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Female here. Jesus, chicks are stupid. I get a silent kick out of stuff like this because she totally hates herself for days after something like this. It's fine if you're gonna be a slut but own it and stop pretending to be chaste.

            Incidentily, while I was a single slutbag and of the mentality that I was gonna be a feminist playah I have actually pulled this as a female to screen out betas looking for a relationship. I literally pulled off my dress and said "You can either fuck me right now and we wont speak again after, or I can l leave and maybe we can hang out again." He hedged trying to be a white knight, I dropped my bra, we banged. I did keep him around for a bit then ditched him entirely when he wanted to be exclusive. I woulda been an awesome dude :(

            [–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            You are a dude, it comes through in your writing.

            [–]theoctopuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I've been in this situation many times. Every time I've kept escalating, she's been down for it.

            I've even had girls say no, then change their mind after I make my way to drop them off.

            [–]fyseaking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Dude same exact situation with me last weekend. With the exact same outcome. Had this same exact post in mind while it was happening! THANKS!

            [–]soccerplusaviation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Soooo true, my gf and I live in different cities and she would call me and ask me talk lovey dovey to her. Sex was hard to get from her when I saw her.
            I started saying stuff, like "I miss your assets." "I just wanna fuck right now." " I miss your ass." For a while she resisted and complained that it was crass. Now she replies with "I miss YOUR assets." "I want you inside me." And when I come over, she justs strips down gets down on her knees sucks me off and then gets on top and rides me till I am drained.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded -2 points-1 points  (19 children)

            If you're not a movie buddy, why invite her over "to watch a movie"? I can kinda see why she expected that's what you wanted to do...

            [–]stilllearningsed 10 points11 points  (9 children)

            Seriously? Anyone with a modicum of social intelligence knows an invitation to do X at his place is just a socially acceptable excuse for the two of you to be alone.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

            Sounds kinda like a shit test, is all I'm saying. You hate it when women don't say what they actually mean, right? Do better, then.

            [–]stilllearningsed 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            He was saying what he meant all night long with his ACTIONS. I'm certain he didn't wait until they were in bed to escalate physically.

            This is a VERY basic hurdle to jump, the excuse to go somewhere private. It's not our fault that girls need that thin veneer of plausible deniability to be comfortable. They know what is going on, they just don't want to take responsibility.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Pretty sure some of them think you ACTUALLY mean a movie. Congratulations that this guy managed to get laid, but I'm sure sometimes she just leaves. And then you wasted all that time, when you could have found out earlier that she wasn't interested.

            [–]stilllearningsed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I'd agree with you if the context was setting up a first date without prior face-to-face interaction allowing you to clearly establish your sexual interest.

            This guy is talking about using it as a pull to his place in the middle of drinks out. Nothing in his post indicated he had previously suggested the movie idea, making it spontaneous, to her at least. In THAT context it is no different than a nightcap or "I need to use your bathroom".

            [–]caughtyouredhanded 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I gotta say, asking to use someone's bathroom also sounds like you need to use the bathroom. No one is going to say no, whether or not they're trying to fuck you, unless they're either just mean or don't trust you.

            [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            No. Don't do better. Don't "be the better man".

            Enjoy your blue pill, dude.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I communicate to people when I want to get laid. It works great. I spend way less time trying to convince someone that doesn't want to bone that they really ought to. That's not blue pill. It's called being straightforward.

            [–]stilllearningsed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            What's the average age range you're being this straightforward with? Personal experience is that only has acceptable success rates with the over 25 crowd.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I do admit I hadn't figured this one out very early. My experience is based mainly on like the 23-28 range, but my lack of success earlier is mitigated by a lack of failure, too.

            [–]Eenjoy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Yea but he winked when he said "movie". We all know what that means ;)

            [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            So what? It's not a debate or a logic test.

            [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            When he said "to watch a movie" what he really meant was he wanted to show her his rare collection of butterfly etchings.

            Just a slip of the tongue.

            [–]spartan1337 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            I was going to point that out too, kinda contradicted himself: 1. invites to watch movie , 2. "I'm not going to sit there while she is into her movie"...

            [–]switchme808 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            http://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/has-anyone-seen-my-etchings

            Basically, both parties know what "wanna come watch a movie at my place?" implicitly means. The thin plausible deniability of "maybe she really only wanted to watch a movie!?!?" is so laughable that only an autist would insist on it.

            [–]caughtyouredhanded -1 points0 points  (1 child)

            Dude, you need to talk to more women. Some of them enjoy company and movies, and actually believe you when you suggest it. I promise. Yeah, it's OFTEN not what it's presented as, but not ALWAYS, and no, you don't have to be autistic to miss subtext from a complete stranger, especially when drinking.

            [–]KarmaEnthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            On paper, I'd agree with you. If you had a play that consisted only of dialogue (and no actions noted in words) then yes, that might be the case. But if you listen to your balls and get out of your head you know if a girl wants to fuck you or not. Then you invite her back to your place and she puts up LMR in order to test you, it is your moral responsibility to put her in her place (since that's what she wants anyway) and tell her to either fuck you or fuck off.

            [–]stilllearningsed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Read the discussion between caughtyouredhanded and I.

            Seriously, the guy pulled her, SPONTANEOUSLY mid-drinks, back to his place to watch a movie ON HIS BED. He even says her resistance to physical escalation was SLOW TO SHOW and did so LATER on each attempt. This is just standard ASD, she wanted it, as her decision to stay shows.

            [–]texx77 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

            I disagree. TRP doesn't mean try to fuck everything you can and if they refuse within an hour of meeting them, make them leave and never speak to them again. TRP is just about standing up for yourself and taking advantage of sexual situations when you can. If you think sex is the guiding principle you need to take another look. It's about being a man.

            In your world, this is going to fail more often than it will work and you are going to be worse off for it. If you are hanging with a 10/10 model who won't fuck you on the first date, you are going to give her that ultimatum rather than put in a little bit more work to fuck the model? Or are you just going to take one night stands from 5s with low self esteem the rest of your life?

            [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            TRP is about the TRUTH of female sexuality. What you do with that truth is up to you, and in that regard TRP is amoral.

            [–]KarmaEnthusiast -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            If you are high enough SMV you shouldn't need to work to fuck a 10/10 model. If you're not high enough you should either build yourself up or lower your standards.

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              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              which isn't TRP in my opinion.

              http://i.imgur.com/ZrjeiMr.png

              Stop posing, fool. Go back to the bluepill