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[–]wildchild11 154 points155 points  (11 children)

Her: But...I'm not gonna be with you if you have some other girl... Me: Who said you had to?

god I love this place sometimes

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 34 points35 points  (9 children)

Yeah. All the stories of stuff like this I read helped keep me focused, but I never thought I'd be able to contribute because I'm not a big fan of going out and chasing girls. Yet, here I am with a few interesting things I can now share to help other men stay focused. God I love this place sometimes, too.

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (8 children)

I never thought I'd be able to contribute because I'm not a big fan of going out and chasing girls. Yet, here I am with a few interesting things I can now share to help other men stay focused.

As someone in that exact situation, where did you start with them. I mean before you already having been established as a player, thus having social proof. I'm doing the lifting and improving my life and truly starting to enjoy myself, but I just don't got out much. (or if I do, its because I'm busy having fun with friends)

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Start with where you're at. Perhaps you see a pretty girl that's a friend of a friend on facebook. Send her a friend request. If she accepts, just be honest and have something interesting to ask/say: Hey, I saw that you were pretty but dislike stalking pages to get to know someone. So tell me, if you had to choose between being tickled or sneezing for five minutes straight, what would you choose?

From there, keep the conversation about them while making it fun and interesting for some messages and ask if they'd like to meet for dinner. The best part about that is you can take your time with messages and Google interesting questions if you run out of material.

The second girl is a friend of my sister's so that's regular poaching ground if you have any game. It can backfire hard though if the girl has been burned by guys in the past, but it's still practice to build your game and get used to rejection.

From there, pick an activity you like and join a free group (community centers have TONS of meet ups and activities where you can meet people) and do stuff. Even if it's all old people, old people have daughters and granddaughters that won't mind meeting the interesting guy their parents invited to the weekend barbecue.

Be that relaxed, chill, fun guy as much as possible whenever you're out and the opportunities will find you. I promise. Even if you don't go out much.

[–]fortifiedoranges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of taking girls to dinner (it's not the best environment to escalate and who wants to talk with their mouth full?) or sending messages like that over Facebook.

[–]1xwm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't really use facebook, and I'm an only child, but I definitely see what you're getting at. I have joined a group recently, and I want to start a martial art too when I get the money freed up, so hopefully that will help. Thanks

I did have one customer basically throw herself at me while I was at work some months ago (she was a cute nerdy girl too) but that was before I'd found TRP and I completely beta blocked myself.

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should use your facebook if only to maintain a presence, but you can do plenty without it if that's what you'd prefer.

And if you have cute customers willing to make a move on you then there were five that were afraid to. If your job allows it, step up your flirting. Lots of smiles, light kino, simple humor. Have fun with it without being overt and sleazy.

[–]gqtrees 0 points1 point  (3 children)

i am having trouble with my conversation skills..specifically after the intro ---jumping to flirty talk, just getting the ball rolling. How did you get good at that?

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ask her about herself. There's nothing a woman loves more than talking about herself. The key, from there, is focusing on 4 main cues and giving an adequate response.

1) Negs or making fun of her

If she speaks on or admits weakness be sure to exploit it with a playful nudge. Exploiting her insecurities is an fun but effective way to make her a little insecure.

2) Sexual chatter

Be sexually suggestive, but only when she starts it. Otherwise she'll think you're a creep. For example: Her: I don't have sex on the first date so don't even think about it! You: I wasn't thinking about it. Are you so horned up that you have to bring it up out of nowhere?

3) Amused Mastery

This concept will be more complex, but sometimes you don't need to respond. You just need to smirk and wait for her to keep talking. It's spoken on often in /r/theredpill but a great example of amused mastery is George Clooney. Have a good attitude. Don't get overly emotional. Smile. Take your time and respond with wit. It takes a kind of comic timing, but if you do it right it will enflame the sexual tension between you and your subject.

4) Be fun

Don't get too deep into anything. She will get bored. Keep the subjects bouncing around to fun subject after fun subject. She will become obsessed with your company.

I could talk about a bunch more, but these basic things will help focus where you manage conversations to get what you want from them.

[–]gqtrees 0 points1 point  (1 child)

on number 2). Is there a way of leading her into sexual chatter? If so can you give me example so i can understand how it would flow? thanks!

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave you an example. You need to just go out and talk to women and listen to what they say. If she says anything sexually suggestive take it and use it against her in a playful way. The difficulty is in learning how to do it and not come off like a creep. That takes equal parts charisma/charm and comic timing. It's a skill that needs practicing more than anything else.

Seriously, the best way to practice is to talk to women around you with NO INTENTION OF GETTING LAID. Just talk to them. You'll learn over time how to work the timing. If she keeps up the sexual chatter, she's interested. if she doesn't, back off but keep it fun and playful.

And if she's interested, amplify. Amplify. Dammit, amplify.

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This just goes back to the number one mentality you have to keep with every woman in your life: I don't need you in any way.

Totally defused her "threat" of withholding the pussy in an instant.

[–]NicCageForPresident 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Love this.

Her: looks at me Uh...not sure what to say to that. Me: It's my booty call so you don't have to say anything.

That shit right there makes me want to pump my fist. Nothin' feels better than shutting down the trouble before it starts.

[–]HolographicWhaleTail 56 points57 points  (5 children)

Recently she got angry with me for making fun of her boyfriend

Lol so only she's allowed to make a fool out of him?

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Precisely. Dat hamster though. It's a spinny li'l muhfucker.

[–]phil_mcrevis 27 points28 points  (3 children)

No shit. The audacity ... Giving someone shit about making fun of a guy YOU'VE BEEN CHEATING ON FOR MONTHS. Fucking hell. I have begun to notice how much this really goes on.

I mean. Seriously. The infuriating part is if you bring this hypocrisy up to her there's no doubt in my mind it gets rationalized away. "But he's a good guy he shouldn't get made fun of" ... "It's not the same thing!" ... "I can do whatever I want but you can't because x and y and z"...

It's like she's sitting around punching someone in the face repeatedly, and then you make fun of that person's shoes and suddenly you're a dick. Unbelievable.

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

You know what helps me get over all that anger? Rough sex. Making her take dirtier and dirtier pics. Grabbing her ass in public knowing she could be seen by a friend or family member of her man's.

In other words, I divert the potential anger into energy for more interesting adventures with her body. However, as I get to be more and more RP I won't even have to do that. True RP knows that a woman is as a woman does. Getting angry over that is like getting mad because your dog peed on the carpet.

[–]Glurpies 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You.. I can learn much from you.

[–]cooledcannon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know what helps me get over all that anger? Rough sex. Making her take dirtier and dirtier pics. Grabbing her ass in public knowing she could be seen by a friend or family member of her man's.

I wouldnt really get angry. All the stuff youve just described just makes me crack up laughing.

[–]OKJaded 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Amanda still has a boyfriend? The poor AFC is probably near sexless and his GF is entertaining thoughts of a MFF threesome with another dude. Classic AFBB.

[–]1R_E_D_1[S] 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Actually, she still fucks him. Not as much as she fucks me, but still, she does. This drove me crazy back when I was trying to get with her. But after listening to Patrice I learned that you have to learn that you don't possess a woman. She has to come to you by choice. And what helped him hammer that point home was taking her to swinging clubs and watching her get fucked by other guys. Not sure I can take it that far, but who knows where I'll go in my RP journey?

The mff threesome chatter is kinda nice. But with women it ain't shit until it happens. I love the talk. But you can't trust a woman to follow through on a damn thing until she actually does.

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    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    An ex of mine did the same thing, started talking about 'lingering bisexual cues from her youth that she'd always wanted to explore.' Even had me take her to the strip club looking for prospects. Daffy broad kept saying they were all 'dirty and disgusting.' Back then I thought we just needed to keep looking. Now I know she was just making a last play to keep me. Live and learn.

    If I'd known TRP back then I would have dread-gamed the fuck out of her. Oh well.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    About that. When the time feels right, why don't you hit her with something like "Which of your girlfriends would you pick for me, for our threesome"

    Excellent hamster food. She's mentally picking, even as she gives you those dirty looks and protesting to high heaven.

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    If she brings it up, I will do this. This despite the fact that she is in no way attracted to her three closest friends. LOL Thanks man. I appreciate it.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Enjoy bro. It's not about her being attracted to the gf's, it's about being attracted to fucking a high value man, who can easily have both her and the girlfriend eating from the palm of his hand. She wants to be in that bedroom where you'll say "jump", and the two of them will fall over each other to ask how high. Girls wanna have fun, someone to enact that with, she's just wondering, could that be you.

    We know on TRP it isn't about you being so objectively great, it isn't the man's arrogance or machismo (though why not enjoy if opportunity's coming your way). Instead it's a particular fantasy for the bitches to play and be themselves in. Like BDSM, this is all about her powertrip fantasy of enjoying being a total depraved slut skank whore together with her girlfriend... and you facilitate, make it OK for them to, because you do not give a fuck.

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Everything you're saying, I agree with. I just tuned that possibility out when she told me she wasn't attracted to them. I shouldn't have. Thanks for the reminder. That's basically what I meant before.

    [–]WhereRtheAnswersSway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You're the kind of guy that keeps me coming back to this subreddit.

    Keep up the good work.

    [–]projectself 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    A post about holding frame full of examples of not holding frame.

    I wanted to tell her about Jenna just to see how it would affect shit and how I'd have to maintain frame, but figured I'd just save it for another day.

    We talked for 20 more minutes where I told her some RP shit without calling it RP. I said that men were the gatekeepers for relationships, women for sex. I said that I didn't want a relationship, but liked spending sexual time with women.

    It does not matter what you say, it matters what you do. You do not ever need to "DEER", defend, explain, excuse, rationalize. Explaining yourself makes you look weak. Communicate what you want without explaining the why. She will get on board much faster. Your 20 minute talk could have been 20 seconds with a lot more respect gathered for you.

    You are doing great overall. Stop caring what she thinks, which means you never need to tell her something specifically to generate a reaction from her or explaining your ideas so that she can "understand".

    It just is, and that's it.

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like a little straight talk worked for him here. How could he have demonstrated the facts without stating them directly?

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I wanted to tell her about Jenna just to see how it would affect shit and how I'd have to maintain frame, but figured I'd just save it for another day.

    We were making out. I prefer that to discussing my plates with other plates. If she'd asked, I would have told and knocked out whatever shit test that came. But she didn't and just started making out with me again. I did the right thing.

    We talked for 20 more minutes where I told her some RP shit without calling it RP. I said that men were the gatekeepers for relationships, women for sex. I said that I didn't want a relationship, but liked spending sexual time with women.

    We were having a discussion about relationships so I told her some RP principles that I live by. I wasn't looking to have an RP seminar with a girl I wanted to plow. I was having a fun discussion with a girl I wanted to plow. I even armed her with information to make her, logically, not want to fuck me. But I held frame and told her anyway. What happened? I finger-popped her less than an hour later with promises to fuck later. If I didn't already have plans to fuck the other plate I would have fucked Jenna. That after giving her information she could have used to refuse me. That's the very definition of holding frame.

    I love being called out for not holding frame, but you got this wrong. I didn't hold frame by getting even the smallest bit upset over Amanda fucking her bf. I didn't hold frame by dating a woman in a relationship when there are tons of single women around. But on these two you are incorrect. I do appreciate the accountability though. We all need it all day every day.

    [–]Wheatspin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It's better to be straightforward about things like this. Lying is a form of DEER. Stating facts is not. It raises your SMV when there is direct competition anyways.

    [–]Modern__Day__Pricus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Patrice O'neal getting his praise is always a treat to see. I mean, hearing him was a eye opening experience. It was like he was plucking the information from a untapped source that we as men weren't ready to delve into just yet.

    I mean, back in 2007 he was preaching this shit. Way before the Red Pill took off and became what it is today. I listen to at least one of his videos everyday before I go in on writing my blog, or just before chilling with a chick. This man was ahead of his time.

    I miss this dude. I would of love to hear his views on current issues. Fucking A. Oh, and his girl he has was RIIIIGHT. Real fucking thick and cute.

    RIP Patrice

    http://associationofchronos.com/2014/06/28/behind-the-blog-patrice-oneal/

    [–]solomonroots 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I wonder if she fucks other guys and if that bothers you. It would bother me, not because I'm beta, but because i don't like the idea of other dude's cum anywhere near my plate. The situation you describe sounds like she is probably banging other dude's since she's down with you banging other chicks.

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Not necessarily. If your SMV is high enough with a woman, she can often times be more than willing to be keep that pussy only for you while you fuck around at will. I'm not on that level yet, but I'm working towards it.

    I don't know if she fucks other guys, but I know she fucks her boyfriend. To me, they're the same thing because I'm a possessive guy. Patrice O'Neal says that this is unhealthy though since a woman can never commit to you. She must choose you because of who you are. To help him get over the possession thing he took her to swing clubs to watch her fuck other men. I'm probably not gonna go that far. But I'll definitely one day not give a fuck if a plate fucks other guys. I'll be over that shit ASAP.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Before TRP I was of the opinion that you shouldn't mess with a girl that has a boyfriend/husband, only because its not something ethical and you wouldn't want someone messing with your girl.

    Now, I really don't know.

    You can say that you're doing a favour for the chump, exposing her as the whore she is, but in reality all women are like that. If you're in a relationship with a girl, there's always a chance she will cheat, even if you're alpha, because women are like that, they're as loyal as their options.

    Maybe the real answer is this: If all women are inconditional whores, maybe you just shouldn't commit to one.

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There are unicorns out there, but they are rare. Whatever you do though, Don't. Get. Married. That's just asking for problems.

    Honestly, the last lingering elements of bitterness I feel about her having a boyfriend are anti-TRP. Those are some of the last bits of BP I still need to shake. Why? Because women aren't unconditional whores. They're women. And they're doing what women do, chase the tingles. I'm a man and what do I do? Pursue pussy. She's not a whore and I'm not a slut. She's just being a woman and I'm just being a man. Getting upset about that is BP. So let it go. I'm learning to take my own advice on that over time.

    I've messed with women that have bfs, fiances and husbands with children. I don't recommend any of it. It's unnecessary territory with so many women around and even potentially dangerous (a married one had a cop husband and that could have been fucked up real fast). But I've been lazy in my pursuits so here I am, fuckin' around with another committed girl. Haven't read too much on this aspect of TRP, but I kinda think dating committed women is BP too. This means that I have another piece of BP still in me that I need to work out.

    Beware words like 'ethical' though. People might tell you that dating multiple women is unethical when there's nothing wrong with it so long as you're being honest.

    [–]PersianDj 6 points7 points  (14 children)

    Remember, this 'not caring' shit only works if the girl already finds you hot .

    She won't find you hot 'because' you ignore her.

    If this was the case, getting laid would be the easiest thing ever.

    Constantly work on your looks, personality and status and THEN hold frame.A loser's arrogance is mocked upon .

    [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 18 points19 points  (9 children)

    Wrong. This 'not caring' shit isn't about working or not working. It's about protecting yourself from as much of her bullshit as possible. And if she's even remotely into you, it will only enhance her interest in you. If she's not, she'll walk and you'll be able to spend your time with other plates that won't.

    'Not caring' isn't the sexual strategy. It is the automatic response of living life RP-style. If either of these women would have walked, I'd be single as fuck with no story to tell. And I'm ok with that because I'd still be having a great fucking time without them. But they said 'yes' so they're having a great fucking time with me. Either way, I'm living a great life. I am. Because I am the priority. That's why this 'not caring' shit can work. Because there's more to it than just that.

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      [–]elchoma90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Wrong. You'll create attraction acting like this. Suddenly you're that guy and we all know what bitches do with that guy: they fuck him.

      [–]stealthcreeper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      its stories like this that keep my consciousness in RP land

      thank you very much and congratulations

      [–]Summertime_Dimes 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      Bro, much needed inspiration - the post was a kick in the ass. Thanks for a dynamite FR. I have a meetup with a chick tonight that needs to put up or shut up. I have been playing it cool, but tonight I turn up the sleaze a little. If she balks, fuck it, next. Keep up the good work.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      LOL don't sleaze, bro. Just be real. You're a sexual animal and she needs to be held accountable for that. She doesn't have to stay, but if she does she must get down.

      Remember though, some will walk. But the ones that won't? Wow. Life only gets more amazing from there.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      I was badly employing sarcasm bro. What we call being real, the outside world calls sleaze. You know and I know that bros get shamed for being real sometimes, words like lecher, creep, etc.

      I am going to be flirty with this chick, escalate the shit out of the situation, and just tell her straight up that I want to bend her over. If she bites, great. If not, fuck it, there will always be new 22 year olds. But yeah dude, I am going to "sleaze" the shit out of it, and by that I mean game her until she is a fucking slip 'n slide. thats whats up.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      LOL fair enough. Good luck to you man. On this chick and all the chicks going forward.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      And to you as well, kind sir. Keep spreading the good word.

      I am currently working on a friend of mine. In HS he was the alpha of alpha, baller QB, smashed chicks with ZERO effort, fit as all hell, dressed well, whole shebang really. He met a chick got engaged, and she runs his shit all damn day. The dude is a shadow of his former self. BUT!!! there is hope. we have been kicking it regularly while she "visits a friend in Houston." I mean clearly she is running around, but he is past the point of giving a shit. I have been slowly exposing him to our ideas, strategies, theories. He has been digging it so far. Ever tried to convert a friend to TRP? any advice?

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I have not. My closest friends are natural alphas that feel they don't need TRP and anyone else isn't really worth my time to bother attempting to convert them.

      The best advice I can give is to live a happy, carefree life. Nothing converts people faster than hardcore, blazing, brilliant, bright, shiny evidence. And if he sees you banging hotties and doing your thing he will eventually realize that this is what he wants.

      But you can't convert him until he wants it. Not a second before. But it sounds like he can only take this bullshit so much longer.

      [–]HelloJapan1 1 point2 points  (19 children)

      Can you give me advice on how to tell a potential plate about other girls?

      Hold frame and be honest about it not giving a fuck?

      thanks

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 21 points22 points  (17 children)

      Bro. You need to do some reading. The sidebar is waiting. Do it.

      Here are the answers to your questions though, in brief:

      If a plate or potential plate asks if you date other women, say 'yes.' If she leaves, let her go. There will be MANY MANY others that won't go if you're confident when you say it.

      You hold frame by not buckling when she asks you a tough question like 'do you date other women?'

      You stop giving a fuck when you've cultivated an 'abundance mentality.' This will come naturally as you spin more and more plates.

      NOW GO READ THE SIDEBAR. You're asking a lot of questions that someone that has NOT read the sidebar will ask. In fact, read them all twice. This time commitment is an investment in the rest of your fucking life. GO READ.

      [–]joep001 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      You stop giving a fuck when you've cultivated an 'abundance mentality.'

      This is so, so very true. I'm new here - like w/in the last few mins-new - but, however jargony, this kind of thinking (and the confidence it engenders) is almost like legal-doping for enhancing the positive aspects of dating and pursuing a pleasurable Life.

      I was an elite athlete (still "am", but currently serving a long ban for aforementioned [real] doping), and the associated international travel & living was a huge motivator for me to continue at it for substantial # of years (more incentive than any compensation, actually). [Olympic but not mainstream North American sport]

      Going to different countries and actually seeing how many other desirable, available women are out there beyond one's domestic market (lol) was liberating - once I opened my eyes to it and embraced your 'abundance mentality'. And it is a worldview I imported upon my return home.

      And while of course having $ and/or 'status' (admittedly, 'exotic'-status = almost inherent in being an ostensibly successful North American athlete romping through a foreign land) is advantageous, without the clarity of thought to cultivate your 'abundance mentality' and the confidence and self-belief to act on one's liberated - and liberating - instincts & urges, money may only afford access to class of women who are not necessarily the most desirable...

      And even in the absence of differentiating quantity of $, or some other really obvious and almost unfairly-helpful attribute or quality that makes you seem special, right-thinking like what's alluded to in your comment can be trained up in conjunction with the self-belief to facilitate action - and success!

      Good thinking is even part of developing & employing the actual physical skills w/ which you extract your satisfaction, while not-selfishly also allowing for & encouraging the satisfaction of your partner.

      Given the negative commentary about TRP in the previous Reddit sub, I was surprised that the first post I read here resonated and seemed to ring very true. I'll certainly read some more, and wish great success for everyone trying to get the most they can out of Life; & collect those (positive) experiences - they're invaluable!

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Nothing gets a pussy more tingly than a man with confidence. Money, fame and power help. But if a girl things your confidence is better she will leave all the cool shit in an instant for a dopehead that believes in himself.

      TRP is a lifestyle that teaches a man how to have confidence in who he is and what he can provide. Lifting, eating right, developing a career and getting some sweet hobbies are the basics, but not for getting women as much as making you a better person. Women will come along with that, but your own maleness needs to be the focus at all times or all else will crumble.

      [–]joep001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      TRP is a lifestyle that teaches a man how to have confidence in who he is and what he can provide.

      Well, everything you've said seems pretty much spot on.

      My experience is that, when you've done as suggested (live TRP lifestyle) and cultivated a satisfying, sustainable life and you aren't weighed-down by relentless doubt, insecurity, inferiority, etc. women (typically) no longer have to be desperately pursued - they (usually) begin to welcome your interest, and may even compete for it!

      Cheers.

      [–]vzhu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      How the hell did you get caught?

      [–]joep001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      honestly - bad luck. none of the doping products I was actually using were detectable/detected. The lab returned a positive result for a really odd anabolic compound that we weren't using (at least not intentionally). I contested the result for about 6mos but eventually realized that even w/ more than a cpl hundred thousand $s I wasn't going to "win" (aka "escaping getting caught/busted"). Great run while it lasted tho.

      [–]HelloJapan1 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      Thank You and my apologies!

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

      LOL and stop apologizing. Stop it forever. Even if you fuck up, learn to say something else like 'oh well' or 'i'll do better next time.' Apologizing emasculates you with women.

      And remember, every minute you spend reading is an hour of bullshit you save yourself on the back end of your life. You're literally rebuilding yourself from the ground up to live a life on your own terms doing what you want. Remember that. And read.

      [–]indarkcamo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      can confirm. Stopped apologizing even when i fuck up. It has dramatically improved my life in all aspects.

      [–]throwaway123454224t -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

      What if you accidentally burnt your parents house down, would you apologise then?

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yes and say sorry forgot to burn the back shed.

      [–]dardanmm 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      So what's the advantage versus just putting the convo down and saying "no"

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Because you're lying. Lying is more work because you have to substantiate the lie. If you have to lie to a woman to keep her then you should drop her and move on. your time is more valuable than that.

      [–]dardanmm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Hmm.. I guess I didn't think about the afterfact of her questioning texts, where are you going etc etc

      [–]CryptoManbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If you're not in a committed relationship, these kind of questions should be off limits. Stop engaging. Either ignore the questions or say, "Sorry I'm busy" or "I have other plans" and cut it off there. But in general, if you're spinning plates you shouldn't be engaging in a bunch of meaningless text conversations.

      [–]CryptoManbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      When you lie, you make a statement about your actions and your integrity. What you are saying is, "I know what I am doing is wrong, so I will lie about my actions to appear in the right." or "I don't feel like standing up for myself, so I will take the easy way out."

      If you're dating multiple people, you should know or feel that it is acceptable and should have no need to lie about it. If the woman can't handle it, you need to gain the self-respect to let her go. If you feel it's wrong, you're not ready yet and should check yourself first before you start dating.

      [–]KillingIsBadong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      To continue your point, I'd say don't come to them with the information because it will seem like you're seeking their validation of your lifestyle. If they ask, answer as stated above, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make it a point. It should be obvious from the way you act and the life you lead really. If the girl feels the need to ask just to make certain, then you tell them just the basics, nothing more than they want to know. Don't go on listing details and reasons and explaining yourself.

      [–]CryptoManbeard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I typically don't tell women about other women. If they ask, "Yes I'm seeing other people." Not sure what could be gained from mentioning other women unless you are looking to be controversial or stir shit up.

      [–]erthian 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Just curious, how old are you? I'm 30 and I'd be lying if I don't get worried about age sometimes. Awesome post, btw.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      You're 30 and worried about age? LOL Dude. You're fine. I'm 38 and have dated girls from 18-55.

      [–]4ryan42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Why do you date so old? I could understand the same age, but 10 years older?

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Because older women are better lays, don't mind cooking you a full meal, know how to act in a variety of public situations and don't want kids. Unfortunately, most of them are just really good at hiding the crazy so the few I dated ended up chasing me off.

      Dating women in each age bracket has, for me, had its challenges and benefits:

      18-24: Eager to ride the dick, but gets distracted easily with all the dicks available to her

      25-29: Not much drama, but prone to push for relationships early and often while being an average lay

      30s: Will fuck like it's about to be declared illegal, but only cuz she wants a husband

      40s: Will fuck and cook for you, but sabotage you with crazy when you least expect it

      50s: Will teach you tricks that make you want to love her, but her bad back, knees and random aches and pains will shut down the sex entirely too often.

      Women in the 23-28 ages seem to be the sweet spot in the drama/fuck ratio. Young enough to be easily swayed with charm and wit, but old enough to know something about pleasing a man besides just laying there, waiting to be fucked.

      [–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Cougars know what they want. They don't do all that dumb shit a young girl does. Much less needy, much less drama. A woman in her forties is never going to roll over in bed and go, "Sooo, whatcha thinkin'?"

      Some of them are still hot, too. Not many, but some.

      [–]PathToMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      god damn bro if this is legit (you can understand my skepticism, don't take offense) then you're on that advance level shit. i'm just stepping up to the intermediate shit lol.

      well done.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is actually intermediate frame-holding as far as I'm concerned. Married guys are doing the hard shit since divorce rape is always lurking as a way to fuck up their frame.

      You're not far from this. You just have to understand that keeping a bitch around is not more important than you being happy. No chick can make you happier than you make yourself. If these two women didn't like my shit and decided to bounce I'd be back at square one with no plates. And that's fine because I'd still have fun with myself, my bros and finding other plates. But I was fortunate and they are down so it's cool.

      This is like life with cheat codes as someone else put it. Stick with TRP and cool shit just happens. Hold that frame, bro. Hold that fucker hard.

      [–]I3luee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Love your post. You're pushing the envelope of boldness almost to its upper limits and getting extraordinary results.

      [–]bama79rolltide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Keep up God's work. Best FR I have read in some time.

      [–]snidecomment69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Gotta love that Black Phillip show

      [–]Rougepellet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's funny when other subreddits diss us and talk about how misogynistic and dehumanizing this is to women. Yet the results. Holy shit the results. It's like knowing a programming language. You learn the code and apply it and the program will do what it's designed to do. Feels like wizadry or some shit.

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      [–]ladybrekizzle -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      So...you try to cause shit tests to see how well you can hold your frame through them?

      Seems legit.

      [–]sonicdrumm80 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      Supply and demand, except he's supplying the demand...

      [–]ladybrekizzle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      lol. Sounds like everything I hate about corporate America. Beautiful.

      [–]cali_gunner -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

      Why do people still post about "what percentage Red Pill" they are? It's a bit insulting as we don't give a shit to convince people who haven't chosen to open their eyes, and everyone here ostensibly does not disagree with what TRP is, so you telling us how much you are is inconsequential, and the meat of your post is the FR.

      That kind of talk is for purplepill.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Can't speak for others, but for me it's to let folks know how far I am in my journey. Just because I took the pill doesn't mean I've completely internalized all the concepts yet. I still have tons of reading and meditation and field practice to do.

      Also, it's to remind newcomers that there are checkpoints along the way where they can see what's working and what isn't. When I first got here it felt GREAT to know there could be results early on. And when my life started to mirror those I knew I was doing shit right.

      So calm down homey. It's all for the greater good.

      [–]SpectralCrown -4 points-3 points  (14 children)

      I tell her I won't be friends with a girl unless there's an element of sex involved.

      Not sure if you're kidding or not, but isn't this quite an asshole move? You're saying you had sex with every woman that you're friends with?

      [–]bhormaci 6 points7 points  (13 children)

      is it asshole to be up front about what you want? or should you pine away for girls and be "supportive" hoping to someday take advantage of them when they're in an emotionally vulnerable or drunk state (since they're so disgusted with your beta behavior they wouldn't fuck you otherwise) ?

      there is absolutely nothing immoral or bad about refusing to befriend women you aren't having sex with.

      [–]petejones7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I think what he's really asking is this: Is it impossible to simply be friends with a girl? As far as I know it fully depends on the type of girl. For example I have a friend that I've known since I was like ten, and while she does have boyfriends and all, she basically acts like a dude and I generally don't have interest in fucking her (though I guess I wouldn't straight up reject it, shes about a 6-7/10). She's literally like a sister to me. I think certain types of women can be good guy friends, they're just rare.

      [–]bhormaci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      but that's not what he's asking, what he's saying is "people will think you're an asshole if you refuse to be friends with a girl because she won't fuck you".

      the answer is who cares, anyone who can't see the logic and wisdom in that is not someone I give a shit about impressing, unless they're going to make me money, in which case I probably wouldn't have shared my opinion with them in the first place.

      [–]SpectralCrown -1 points0 points  (10 children)

      I understand what you mean about being up front, but a lot of people might think you're an asshole for not being friends with someone just because they didn't want to have sex with you.

      [–]bhormaci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      those people are morons...there is no respectful way to say it, unfortunately.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If she is someone we want to fuck, we won't settle for just friends. Its rare that I have had females who were actual friends that I didn't fuck. Mostly because they want the validation, attention, and often cash/prizes for being nice to you, while they fuck someother guy who wwon't allow himself to be friend zoned.

      Currently I have one female friend I don't fuck, its not because she won't, its because she is dating a friend of mine. I am building a cabin and shop, so I am renting a room from this friend until its done. Need a place to sleep more than a plate to sleep with me.

      [–]TheOneThatSaysBMF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You're not making somebody have sex with you so they can be friends with you. You're just laying down the ground rules. They always have the option of going with it....or not. It's all about letting people know where you stand from the jump.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      If you're afraid of being perceived as an asshole for pursuing what you want then don't ever ask for a raise at the job. Don't ever ask for a loan from the bank. Don't ever ask for a girl's number that you perceive is more attractive than you deserve. And for damn sure don't ever try and step out of the pre-ordained box that the people around you would have you stay inside of. Because doing any of these things can make you look like an asshole to anyone. And heaven knows that's just too horrible to bear.

      Seriously though, if people are calling you an asshole then you're probably right on track towards getting what you want. And I'm not afraid of any woman calling me an asshole for wanting sex out of a friendship because she can leave whenever she wants. I'm the prize here.

      Frankly, I have female friends I don't fuck. But that was pre-TRP and I value their company and counsel anyway. Most new chicks in my life are nowhere near interesting enough to earn that kind of sway with me. So if they want my time as I get to know them, their pussy better be involved.

      [–]SpectralCrown 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'm just saying that if you meet a woman who is, let's say, a perfect 10/10 on her personality and looks, and she does not want to fuck you but she is still a great human being, that does not mean you should get rid of her as soon as you can.

      [–]1R_E_D_1[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      If that's the case and I can find some use for her, then maybe. But that's a fucking strong 'maybe.' I'm not looking to be some chick's beta-orbiter. And if I'm gonna hang with a hot bitch she better be interesting as fuck.

      But in my experience, hot girls struggle a great deal with being interesting. So I'd still have no problem peacing her out. Shit, I've done it before.

      [–]SpectralCrown -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Well of course, if she has no use, fuck her (not sex).

      [–]elchoma90 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Why am I obligated to be everyone's friend? I'm an asshole if I treat them badly.Telling someone i don't want to be friends isn't disrespectful... Specially a woman. They know what's up. When it comes to sexual strategy women are masters. She knows what she's doing to all those beta orbiters. When she asks you to be friends she's really asking you to be another orbiter. You reject and pass her shit test with flying colors. She now knows you are not orbiter material but sexual material. Win.

      [–]SpectralCrown 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      With a complete stranger who you've never heard of or seen before, I agree, if she doesn't want anything ditch her, but if she's your friend that you've known ever since you were a kid and she doesn't want to think of you as a boyfriend/fuck-buddy, you should not just ignore her for not wanting sex.

      [–]elchoma90 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      If that was truly being an asshole he wouldn't have fingered her. Think about that for a minute.

      [–]hjoshua81 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Newbie question: what's AWALT stand for?

      [–]Mr_Mori -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Abso-fucking-lutely.

      bot still blasting short posts?

      [–]bobbydrake69 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

      I just want to throw out the other side of holding frame:

      The girl leaves. She leaves and then hampsters away any accountability and you never see/hear from her again.

      Yes it saves you a fuck ton of time in the long run, but you did end up wasting a little bit of time.

      [–]bgny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      But you keep your self respect. In fact if you truly respect yourself and have confidence you will automatically hold frame.