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[–]Thursday088 120 points121 points  (30 children)

The tattoo/piercing part is so spot on it makes me laugh.

[–]doubleecho88 20 points21 points  (24 children)

How about tattoos, piercing, colored hair AND a cutter? I fucked her twice and it was a wild ride each time but I couldn't put up with her emotional issues. I didn't realize she was a cutter until after the first time when I saw the scars on her thighs.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 49 points50 points  (23 children)

They arent really a problem if you don't get attached to them. Enjoy the ride, fuck her like the slut she is, when you tire of her be extra nice, cook her breakfast, and carry her purse just once and you can walk away with no bullshit. If you can afford it, pay a months rent, she will lose interest fast and she will think she dumped you. Your car won't be vandalized, your pets won't be cooked, and she won't follow you around as an alpha widow.

Its so easy it should be the go to for dumping bitches.

[–]tanlin2021 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Made the mistake of getting attached to one of these girls who seemed like she could not function without adderall. Can confirm they will be gone in 2 seconds as soon as you start "being nice", ESPECIALLY if you pay for shit.

[–]Bearhardy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fucking lol you can't put a price on this shit, but it's so true it hurts can confirm

[–]dawg826 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I've been thinking about this lately. It should be an effective strategy to softly drop a plate by going full beta on purpose thus making her think she broke up with you.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Its what I do now as my go to, much easier to deal with them. However it does preclude fucking them again at a later date, most of the time.

[–]WillClickOnAnything 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nice. I wonder if buying a fake wedding ring and proposing to her would work. lol

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Risky, she might say yes instead of leave.

[–]WillClickOnAnything 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess that'd be insanity wolf level RP shit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Tell them you're about to be fired from your job and whine about how you don't want to look for a new one. Also become whiny and clingy.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny you say that. One thing I use to pick them up is my shop. They ask what I do, and I say restore old cars. Some ask what shop I work at, I say 'mine.' Occasionally I will get a call from a friend and act like he is an employee, that means sex is nearly a sure thing. Doing the opposite would drive them away.

Around here the hottest, and even the 6-7 by that scale, gravitate to the jobless losers, and the worthless twats who can't keep a job. They end up paying for everything for those guys, and constantly bitch about it. Its not like they are super alpha, but mostly into drugs like Adderal and shit like that. Most of these guys don't have a car, she buys one that he drives. Haven't figured that one out yet, but its probably that he doesn't really give a shit about her and uses her as a warm place to jack off. They seem to like that.

[–]GentLemonArtist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THIS. I have one of these girls. The biggest shit fit I've had was when I paid for $20 groceries one week.

[–]teeelo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Can you elaborate about the paying rent thing?

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Put yourself in the beta bucks category, she will lose interest. I don't advocate doing that to all of them, but if she is the psycho cunt type that will smash up your car, its a viable option and works incredibly well. You don't want to piss her off, you want her tolose interest. Friend zone yourself and she will lose interest. Hell, ask for some pussy, beg to get your dick sucked, she will move on of her own accord and not try to harm you.

[–]teeelo 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yeap I've considered going super beta to drop a girl if it came to that.

Funny how my old behaviour is actually a useful tool.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I realized I was doing it naturally when I got bored of them. Now its an active thing if she does something egregious enough to warrant kicking her crazy ass to the curb.

If they aren't crazy but I'm done, I simply tell them I'm done then fade out.

[–]elchoma90 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think he was just trying to make a point. Or maybe he's filthy rich.

[–]1Jaereth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

and she won't follow you around as an alpha widow.

I made this mistake with a crazy piercing chick once... It just wasn't working out with her and I told her. Then she started showing up at all our shows, and made it really hard for me to get into other girls there when she was always around trying to assert herself as being with me.

Definitely don't want to do that again. Never heard the term alpha widow before, but I think I know what it is.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you know what it is first hand. Kiss her ass instead of outright dumping her.

[–]hamstercide 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What do you have to do in order to get one of these girls initially? How do you have to behave?

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Bad boy aloof jerk. I escalate constantly, straight up talk about sex, use innuendo and double entendre as well. I'm short and heavily muscled, wear a beard that has gone gray, so I use black t shirts, jeans, and work boots as a uniform. I have PTSD and am a former NCO/combat vet, so I have an intensity they like. Going full beta drives them away within a week. Sometimes its the same day they lose interest.

I also use beta traits to keep hot but undesirable girls away, such as drug users (other than weed) and gold digging single moms.

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    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Yeah, I forgot that because its second nature to me now. I shave the sides to skin, sometimes bic them. The top I leave at 2 or 3 on my clippers, sort of a modified high and tight. I just cut it again last week, I have been busy as hell so it grew out on me and was over my ears. I noticed an obvious lack of female attention in public with long hair. Now that its shaved again, they are giving me extended double takes and giggling when I talk to them. They like the buzz cut. I'm not balding, at 45 if its still here its not going anywhere, so I leave some on top.

    Yesterday I grabbed a jacket because its cooling here, happened to be my desert pattern field jacket from my last deployment, still has my stripes and tapes on it. Usually I don't wear my military gear, but it was handy and I wasn't out to impress anyone. I got more female attention wearing that than my black leather, which is surprising. Not that I plan to use it to pick up chicks, but it was interesting the reaction I get when they can see I've been to war.

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      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Having PTSD I read people, I can tell when a chick is digging on me, when she wants me to die in a fiery car crash, and when she doesn't fucking care. I watch everything and everyone around me and read them quite accurately and nearly instantly. It wears me down though, and also tends to ramp up some anxiety at times, so its not exactly wonderful, but I have learned to use it and adapted that trait as a positive.

      I can telI when a chick is digging on me so well, I know which line to get in so the checker will flirt. Today I was buying some tools at a box store and this tall thin strawberry blond waves me over to her line, and I tell the old woman ahead of me to go first because I'm in no hurry. The checker had flirted with me before, so this time I decided to see where it went. She asked a bunch of questions, where is my shop, what I do, then she asks for my number, and gave me hers before I asked for it. I wasn't going to, just to see what she would do. I honestly doubt anything will come of it, but its fun watching a college chick hit on my 45 year old ass. I won't call her, but if she calls I will work it. Its not like I need more pussy right now, but I won't turn it down if its offered.

      There was another girl behind her giving me death glares, not the 'he should be talking to me' looks, more like 'eeeewww creepy old guy' looks. Those are rather rare, usually i get the mildly interested, or the 'who has that magical voice?' Kind of oooks. The whole thing is funny as hell to me.

      [–]Bearhardy 48 points49 points  (0 children)

      100% spot on, dated one, her daddy didn't love her and cheated on her mother, wanted to be wrecked in bed and completly dominated called me daddy, awesome sex 2 years with her got tired of fucking her eventually, I'm not even american just to show that AWALT

      [–]ALargeBicep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Knew a girl in college that had fucked 20 guys by the time she was 19.

      Had 4 tattoos in 1 year and a nose, belly and weird ear piercing.

      100% accurate.

      [–]cruxae[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      The coloured hair part is pretty accurate as well.

      Also, if the girl's identity revolves around her being a self proclaimed "feminist", you better book it. These chicks are so devoid of any sort of personality beyond the superficial issues they've picked up online.

      [–]thedrkside 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      This one hits close to home. Had a rude awakening with a full arms sleeve tattoo.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 56 points57 points  (16 children)

      A lot of women think sarcasm is attractive.

      They think it's edgy and funny, which they admire in guys. And their friends laugh, because it's bitchy and "crool."

      They can get away with it if they're young and hot enough, but it doesn't play well as they age.

      I find it ugly as fuck... Might as well press a bullhorn to their ass-cheeks and let one fly.

      [–]InferiousX 17 points18 points  (10 children)

      I used to just accept female sarcasm as part of the banter and part of the game.

      Last few years I've been a lot more honest with myself in just how incredibly unattractive I find it. The occasional jab is fine, but a girl who's just constantly ripping into you in this contest of one-upsmanship is exhausting and ultimately boring. I try to break through that wall early, and if a girl is a hard ass for too long I completely lose interest. Regardless of looks.

      [–]1R_Model_07 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      There's definitely a line and it's usually when they sense you're losing interest that it just devolves into unfunny straight up insults designed to take you down a peg at every opportunity and it's suddenly their entire personality that accelerates it to the end.

      Sometimes ignoring it makes it worse.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      There's definitely a line and it's usually when they sense you're losing interest that it just devolves into unfunny straight up insults designed to take you down a peg at every opportunity and it's suddenly their entire personality that accelerates it to the end.

      Sometimes ignoring it makes it worse.

      ♂ This has been my experience as well.

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      [–]TXhype 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      I usually just ignore that childish sarcasm, they seem to realize it and will eventually stop.

      [–]robot-b 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      "You know, my mother always told me that if you don't have anything nice to say, you should shut the fuck up"

      If you emphasise the "fuck" properly, it can achieve two things:

      1) Tells them that sarcasm is not acceptable

      2) Cause a laugh reaction, so they have an escape and the mood can change

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      That might just make things worse. I have a knack for pissing off girls though.

      [–]robot-b 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      That might just make things worse

      worse how? they're already being rude to you, if you don't stop it, you lose. If they won't change, you leave and ignore them completely.

      I have a knack for pissing off girls though.

      great, they love it

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You know, it's really dependent on the market that you're in. I've noticed (as well as my friends) that parts around where I'm at, the market is stacked in women's favor (3:4 F:M Ratio) and the attitudes here are worse because of it.

      Often we'll get back after an evening of gaming, and talk about how it was like a war zone- like you basically have to go full nuke on some of these chicks.

      It's not attractive, and it's not even pleasant.

      I am writing up a full report on it for the near future, but needless to say, in some places, love really is war.

      [–]morph85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Confrontation like this only makes you look week, sensitive and emotional,and you will only validate that she is successful in pushing your buttons. If you want to make her stop you can either ignore what she is saying with a combination of giving her a 'you're acting like a dumb child' look/vibe, or outsmart her, snap back with a better punchline against her. If you do this a few times she'll realize she can't win with you and call it quits.

      [–]Xiamon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How exactly does one break through that wall anyway?

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      While you're all correct I must remind you: at the end of the day sarcasm is just another shit test.

      [–]colovick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I was raised around sarcasm and it's still my go to for situational humor. Girls that like to dish it out turn to putty when you out wit them, but are just as easily put off if you fall behind. It's low investment entertainment in my experience

      [–]Aspiring_Hobo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      They always think they're being "edgy" with their quips, but when you get really sarcastic with them they can't take it and get offended

      [–]franzois_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I had the case recently with a woman with borderline personality.

      Sarcasm was at its maximum, the intensity was insane; I refused to play that game by ignoring it and she eventually calmed down and eventually admitted it was to get my attention; by which time she had lost said attention totally and forevermore.

      Much like you I find women who play the sarcasm card too much a turn off.

      [–]40_SixandTwo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Agreed. I never really got to see women without it until I got to college. The area I grew up in as well as the High School I went to was loaded with the most basic of basic chicks, and they had no idea how to hold a conversation that wasn't filled with jabs of condescending sarcasm from their end. Being exposed to that for around six years really messed with me until I started taking the pill.

      [–]Heliarc 12 points13 points  (5 children)

      This post is 100% spot on. Take these guidelines and it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Another good thing I found is to make it known (not bragging) that they aren't the only girl you are talking to. Instantly you become more attractive to them and then they feel the need to out do the other girls you are talking to.

      Gents if you are in a dryspell and try the online dating to break said dryspell make it known that you are talking to other broads...even if those other girls are attached to your arms. It instantly makes you less attainable=more attractive (fucked up chick psyche)and she thinks "if other girls see something in this guy, there must be something" she will find out by laying on her back and letting you do what you want with her till she finds out. At the point she says relationship, bounce.

      [–]Blade686 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      How would you let a girl know such a thing? I can't think of a scenario in my head where it doesn't sound cocky in a non-abundant kind of way, to the point of neediness.

      [–]Iramohs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If you tell her you have other plans with "friends" she will pick up on the hint. That's how I usually drop it.

      [–]Heliarc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The way I would go about it in the past was mention I have a date on the original day that we were planning and offer that we meet the next day.

      Women have insane imaginations just saying date gets their over active imagination running like crazy.

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        [–]Lil_Dick_McFarts 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Usually you make the first date, then the next date you are "taking a friend out" so you move the date with target girl forward one day. So if target girl wants to date on saturday you "cant make it you have plans" so you move it to Friday. If she has plans those plans are "lame" by comparison. ALLLLLL the girls you date on these sites will be seeing other guys too. You've got to understand that as well but not let it phase you. Online dating is ALL about avoiding oneitis as long as possible

        [–]__ROOSTER__ 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I totally agree on the 10s, not only are they not online I don't find them 1/10th as fun as a 7-8 who has her shit together.

        I like to do lots of demanding hobbies. I like women who can do at least one with me, hang with my friends and family, take a road trip or vacation without having to be babysat , etc.

        Also I like kinky, so the numbers start to dwindle if you want a 10 who is cool, does hobbies, and comes ready for your kink.

        I'll take the 7-8s personally.

        Really, really well written profiles can make up for a point or two of looks or other non preferential characteristics. A Korean buddy said he knew he had online figured out when one of the first things a girl said was "normally I'm not interested in Asians, but blah, blah" he very much wrote a profile which made him sound awesome and sound the catch. He also engineered his pics very carefully to show fun, leader of men, dangerous (the right kind), masculine, pre selected by women, etc, etc

        Switching online sites every month or two gives you the benefit of reworking your profile. Since he was in Iraq forever he had lots of time to try different strategies before he'd rotate back for a break. Then he'd start all over with rewrites.

        I used CL to learn. Lots of different ads and lots of rewrites, also lots of how to write to an ad and get a response when you know she got 100-200 mails that day. Then conversion to text and to real life, each step it's own skill.

        And I totally agree on starting with what you can get just to get started. When you're new , if she is bangable , bang her. Banging two new chicks a week will give you huge confidence and lots of sexual skill. They are throwaways. Try everything you want. Hell, ask questions. Plus when you're banging that many new ones (plus keeping some you've already closed) you are getting huge reps at what really works.

        With a little work, in a major city , you can get laid as much as you want from decent looking women.

        [–]Zingerliscious 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Hey man, could you write or point me to a guide on how to a) write an effective dating profile and b) text/email game?

        [–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I haven't thought about it in a while. I'll have to search for some stuff.

        [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 11 points12 points  (2 children)

        Yup. Online dating is about managing expectations. There is a reason she is online dating. Always remember that. When her profiles look hot as fuck and her profile sounds sweet and feminine, remember that a woman like that would get an "alpha bucks", the best of both worlds, in real life, or at least something close enough to it to not need online dating.

        If she's online, it means something about her was not able to earn her either AF or BB. Something is off, usually one or the other, and the trick is to go into the situation understanding they ain't all around 9s. You can then accurately decide whether you want to push for a ONS, push for a plate, or very, very rarely, push for a plate -> relationship type of situation.

        Typically, I think the Tinder test is a good judge of whether you should be on OKC or POF. Take your shirt off right now, take a pic, put it on tinder, and if you cannot get matches (and you live in a city), you're not generating female interest. Give it 1000 swipes and play around with the matches some; if you are not getting attraction, then just forget online dating and hit the gym. Especially as a non-white guy, to have that strong pull that makes her assume your a candidate for the AF slot, you want to be at a stage in your physique and aesthetics where you're getting swipes on Tinder.

        [–]VegasHostTre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        To add on to your tinder test. If you are not generating interest you should delete your profile lose 20 pounds and start over, not post more pics after you've lost the weight. New profiles always get top billing on every online dating site.

        [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (4 children)

        Dated an 'average' girl most of college. She was a little needy / whiney at times but other than was pretty good to me.

        [–]tuckthesesnakes 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I think i'm living your college years b. How'd it play out for you?

        [–]SteevoR 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Unless they are making themselves happy

        Eventually they will either let themselves go, realize they are what they are and never try to grow.


        They will go wild are blame you or whoever is closest for holding them back.

        If they are bitchy/whiny enough it's one of the first things you say about them, they are holding things back that will sink them, or explode.

        [–]oblesk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Don't forget unless you are the AF part of the AF/BB equation and constantly passing the shit tests she throws your way, she is eventually going to start withholding sex, pulling you in to do her thing at your expense, and just be a general pain as it goes on. Especially if she feels like she is losing control or not as secure as she was.

        [–]Locastor 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Really good thread, and I wholeheartedly agree with OP. To expand on one point in particular:

        curvier girls (which I love)

        Tapping it from behind on a girl with a phatty is wonderfully fun.

        Remember we are not talking about hamplanets like this photo (NSFW):

        But rather, "rest a drink on her" physiques like this (also NSFW):

        [–]melaffu 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        The second girl isn't a phatty. She just has a fat ass.

        [–]rabblerabble8 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        So much truth here, as someone who's spent the last year on OKcupid with quite a bit of success it's entirely spot on.

        I even started out early with a heavily tatoo'd and pierced girl, who was upset that I didn't treat her rough enough during sex(I had been incel for a long time prior and was total blue pill at the time).

        I've now got an above average girl treating me like a king(cooks, sex on demand, low maintenance), and it's night and day better than the majority of the chicks I had dated and fucked from the dating site.

        [–]busdrivertohell72 6 points7 points  (6 children)

        I lasted a week on POF, or should I say Plenty of Whales. I live in a smaller city and let me tell you the options were few. I started chatting up a girl there. She was reasonably attractive and seemed nice, however I noticed there were horse pics on her profile. Big red flag as there was an article on ROK about horse girls and how they are not right in the head. I can confirm the arcticle is correct. For those not in the know, it has a feature that lets other users know you are online. She saw I was online and read me the riot act about how I am talking to other girls. Next! I deleted my profile that day, not worth it the trouble.

        [–]Prattler26 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Also this:


        [–]busdrivertohell72 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        [–]feelinglazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The author didn't explain why this happen.

        [–]Nettom 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Dated two horse girls, a different kind of girl indeed. Could you link the article ?

        [–]busdrivertohell72 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        [–]Nettom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Thanks, that was a good read.

        [–]feelinglazy 10 points11 points  (5 children)

        Any particular reason why the average girls woll treat you like king? Aren't they the hardest to get because most guys message them, thinking that they have a better shot?

        [–]RedV69 14 points15 points  (1 child)

        Many males do message the average girls for this very reason; however, just about all of these men are betas. You cannot negotiate desire; hence when an alpha of higher SMV comes along he annihilates his weak competition and the tingles become uncontrollable.

        [–]feelinglazy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think you underestimate the average male.

        [–]2asd1100 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        We don't try "to get" them.

        The point is if you are fuckable they are your best option for a cinderella story via internet dating(i'm done with assholes I need to find a lover that like me for me not just for my body!).

        [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Most guys aren't attractive or just plain stupid. I've had quite a lot of online dates over the last 2 years and apparantly most men can't hold a decent conversation. All you have to do with average women is to hold a normal conversation with proper grammar and throw in some compliments. I consider my conversations somewhat boring, but if she replies to the first message I always get a date out of her. More than one have told me that I was the first decent conversation she had online. That's how bad the majority is.

        Hot girls are a totaly different story though. Most of the time I don't even bother online, because displaying your SMV is too difficult.

        [–]feelinglazy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        How many notches have you gotten from online dating?

        [–]Bobwayne17 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Yep, most of these are spot on.

        I actually did an "experiment" of sorts on a dating website where I used the same bullshit opener that was fucking stupid to try and see how many girls would actually talk to me. I got tons (not literally hundreds) of responses and posted them all in an imgur album because people in other subs didn't believe me.

        [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I tried that and then I tried a simple "Hi, how are you?". The response rate was the same.

        [–]HeinousFu_kery 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Good observations - can confirm a lot of this though I'm older (out of the green hair population). Being very literate online can take you amazing places - started with AOL moons ago and got all the action I could manage (I don't live in a very populous area so the numbers are likely less), moved on to Match, OKC and POF and it continued.

        Unfortunately there is a whole lot of crazy out there (and yes, they're that good in bed) but it's not worth it once the novelty wears off (You know it's getting old when the first thing you look for when you meet someone new is scars on her wrists - really). Also, group #4 have a lot of members who consider men fungible appliances - you're just there to put them into subspace, and don't you forget it.

        [–]feelinglazy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Any tips on online dating or gaming girls in general?

        [–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        In my experience, 1-4 are the ones you play with, but if you plan to get into a relationship, you pick a 5.

        Which brings me to the adage: Men rarely settle down with the hottest woman they've ever fucked.

        I mean, call me lazy, but I really don't want to have to bring my A game every-fucking-day for the rest of my fucking life just to keep her from leaving. I'd like to be able to sit on the couch in my boxers scratching myself a few days a month without knowing she's out choking on some other dude's dong because of it.

        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        If she's the hottest woman you've ever fucked, chances are SHE won't settle for YOU.

        Just sayin.

        [–]topspeedj 7 points8 points  (4 children)

        My success with POF and OkCupid shot up once I deleted all the serious crap from my profile and just filled it with jokes and stuff that showed I didn't take the website too seriously.

        Put your job title where it's needed and your real height etc, but in your 'About Me' just joke around, be cocky and confident, and exaggerate so much that it's obviously a joke. Women don't get excited about men's profiles that are very factual about their job and hobbies.

        [–]audiopathik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Mine is so minimal. Three good pictures and one word answers on my profile. Great pictures are gold to women on there.

        [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Mine too. I actually put only my best photo online, deleted all custom profile texts and my response rate was better than ever.

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          [–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Pretty much a casual, but high quality, picture of you in an interesting location or activity. Throw in some depth blur and shit.

          [–]1tombreck2 6 points7 points  (6 children)

          Great post. I was wondering if you were going to include any examples/experience involving a girl who is into you (messaged first, texts more, liked you, etc) getting from online to meeting for a drink as quick as possible?

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          In my experience, it will be a fat or otherwise desperate chick. Treat her like a moped.

          [–]Fedora_Tipper_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Haha i just learned the moped definition from the show Archer recently. She'd be fun to ride, but I wouldn't want any of my friends seeing me on her.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Some are fun, some are a warm moist place to jack off, how they look is often irrelevant to which of those they are.

          [–]__ROOSTER__ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I've closed 8s in four hours from email, to text, to RL meet , to sex.

          Personally it just took repetitions. You'll lose a bunch. Make some errors in messaging , try to transition to text wrong , etc

          Every success and failure I'd review all the messages and see where I thought I had them on the hook and where I lost them.

          I'd review our meeting in my head, from first glance to the end.

          I ask questions once I've build rapport "what about me ad caught your attention?" "How many guys messaged you?, why did you respond to me?"

          "What did you think when you were walking up and saw me?"

          I covertly AAR these girls on every aspect of what happened. Usually by asking them about guys that were failures "have you met guys that didn't look anything like what you thought? Tell me..." Then follow with "what did you think when you saw me?"

          It's easy to have conversations like that laying in bed after sex :-)

          [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Just hold a normal, some would say boring, conversation for 15-20 replies and then ask for a meeting. I always add meeting in a park or cafe to make it sound more harmless. Works almost every time. They either agree then or never, so you don't waste any time.

          [–]yeezred -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

          If she expressed interest, then it would be hard for you to mess up. Just message her.

          [–]jiveraffe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Career women love fucking

          I can also confirm this. One of my current main plates is seeking executive status. She can barely make it halfway through a BJ, and would never let anybody even put the tip in. No oppression, or feminist quotas, just carrier-advancement concerns. While she loves cuddling on the couch, it's only ever on the weekend.

          Cons: tradeoff-ish sex. I.E. Fuck-me-like-an-animal sex every weekend but with a condom on.

          Pros: never any pregnancy worries and the morning-after pill is always on standby. No commitment pressure. She doesn't ask, I don't tell.

          [–]Baylien2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Can someone provide examples of good sarcasm? I'm a very straight forward real talk type of person so sarcasm has always been a foreign language to me

          [–]boofoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          He is saying women think men find sarcasm in women attractive.

          Something like, "Don't worry, I never put on the first date," could be used as playful sarcasm. What I learned in customer service is that no matter what you say just smile or give an amused grin after it and most people won't be "offended." That is what I generally do and I have been told on several occasions that I am a dick/ass but in a non demeaning way and people rarely get upset by what I say. Ex: I live with another male and a female, we will both neg her and have fun treating her like a little sister and I don't think either of us says anything worse than the other but she calls the other guy a dick and an ass and gets seriously pissy at him but when I do it she will laugh and just be like ohhh boofoff.

          [–]Aspiring_Hobo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Funny, most of the girls I see who have pink/green/blue hair are all either whales or just plain ugly

          [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And, considering how idiotic most men are interacting online with women, this isn't difficult to do.

          This is the most important part about online dating! A good photo of your average self and a normal conversation with some wit and compliments will get you at least 2 dates per month, just because the competition is so incredibly bad.

          Oh, and the only decent women you will meet are either new to online dating or have just moved to your city. All the others have flaws like being sluts, single moms, unattractive, job with bad hours or complicated relationships.

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            [–]SlayingGoats 6 points7 points  (11 children)

            Maybe all women are secretly sluts...

            [–]T-rexTea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Gee, pal, we've tuned into revelation station over here.

            [–]justausername9 -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

            Maybe women also enjoy sex.

            [–]boofoff 1 point2 points  (8 children)

            They do, but being slut does not equal enjoying sex. Sluts are generally women who get pumped and dumped. They have nothing to offer to any man other than sex and are often doing it just for the attention and validation. A woman can enjoy having sex and not be a slut. A slut has sex once or twice with many men, while a women who enjoys sex can have sex as much as she wants but if its only with a few men who she was exclusive with at the time then she is not a slut.

            That is what I feel women do not get when it comes to judging their sexual history. If she is going atm with every guy who gets her in bed for the night then she is easy and not worthy of commitment. If she is going atm with the same guy every night that she is in a LTR with then she is just a women who enjoys pleasing her man. That is why partner count matters and is indicative of her sexual habits. I don't care how often she has had sex in the past so much as I care how many guys she has been pumped and dumped by because that tells you how little she has to offer as a woman outside of sex.

            Disclaimer: A woman could have been in a LTR and done unspeakable things in the bedroom and then be in a LTR later on that she will not do things. This woman is not really a slut more so than he gave her the tingle more than you. Doesn't make it okay but just like men, they do not choose who they are attracted to out right.

            [–]justausername9 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

            What if she doesnt want to be in a relationship? What if shes not at a point in her life where she has the time or desire to date or be with one man? If a man doesnt want to commit and wants to casually date and fulfill his desires every weekend or so, you see no problem with it. But if a woman who enjoys sex, does not want to commit right now, and wants to fulfill her desires once a week or so, even though she makes the conscious decision that this is what she wants, you all consider a slut.

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              [–]justausername9 -1 points0 points  (1 child)


              Key fucking word.

              And there is no "giving away sex". It is not a prize to be won. It is a mutually agreed upon act of pleasure wanted by both people to satisfy the needs of both people.

              [–]Red_King_Rising 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Fuck your ifs. A slit is a slut deal with it. Why doesn't matter. Action does. Act tutu, your a slut.

              [–]Traz_Onmale -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              What do you think is more important: few sex partners or not having done degrading stuff?

              [–]clear_lights 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Met my fiancée in freshman year of high school and have been with her since. She has zero of those boxes checked (yes, even the big tits part). Did I luck out? Fuck yeah I did. Massively.

              Feminism doesn't appeal to her because her family is like mine; traditional as fuck. She's pretty much your bread and butter RPW.

              To be honest nowadays, I'd say the chances of finding a non-slut is close to 2-3% post-college. If you're on Tinder, those chances pretty much plummet near 0%.

              It's a shame they don't make em like they used to.

              [–]23490865243879526487 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What are you doing here then?

              [–]clear_lights 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              To continue learning? Some of us just like semi-philosophical discussion of sexual strategy and evolutionary psychology from a primarily heterosexual male perspective.

              [–]RogerHaymaker 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              Thank you.

              If you're still in early blue-to-red mode, avoid this woman at all costs!

              This part was confusing, though. Why avoid them? Sounds like a fun time..

              [–]HumbleEngineer 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              You as a blue pill will try to "connect with her emotional side", and this type of woman doesn't want that. They just want to be fucked. If you show any beta traits they will swallow you whole and spit you in the street.

              [–]2asd1100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Gaming is difficult: you must be "equal partners", fundamentally the dissonance between that and her being a woman makes having a relationship very hard.(even as a plate, when drama does apear it results almost certainly in a drop)

              Add to that the fetish most mama's boys have for validation from a strong woman and you see why they are like oil and and bamboo, they don't mix.

              [–]le_king_falcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Because whilst it is fun, girls are very good at reading frame. So if they sense you aren't 100% comfortable in your RP frame they'll shit test more. You'll also be more likely to fail said shit tests.

              Remember women want you to be yourself, as long as you fit a nice narrow range of what they deem attractive.

              [–]2trway14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I presume because they're not going to be nice or sweet or girly to you. They'll make the bluepiller who wants to cuddle after sex cry with their masculine straight-forward rejection: "that wasn't the deal. bye now."

              To OP, there's hardly anything in quotation marks.

              NOTE - Everything in quotation marks was lifted directly from a profile or a personal message.

              [–]3M_TA3 3 points4 points  (3 children)

              How should I do the shirt off pic?

              [–]RedbullF1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Ever been to the beach with friends?

              [–]melaffu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't.

              [–]Jf5ve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes, spot on good sir.

              Look forward to part 2

              [–]PlusGoody 1 point2 points  (7 children)

              9s and 10s are less bitchy as a rule. A liftetime of being treated well and infinite options means they aren't jealous, paranoid, or constantly in need of reinforcement. Also, 9s and 10s are the SOLE repository of smart non-feminists in America. Anyone less good looking as either dumb or a feminist, feminism being a highly rational adaptation to being mediocre looking in our current economy.

              [–]yummyluckycharms 9 points10 points  (5 children)

              Perhaps this is due to geographical factors - but the 9's and 10s I see tend to be opposite.

              They have a bevvy of guys lined up to satiate their every desire, they are spoiled, and throw temper tantrums when they dont get what they want. Also, they do tend to be jealous because the guys they tend to go after, the 10%, are being chased by the other 80% of women as well. These women are primarily interested in wealthy betas and physically attractive alphas (movie star looks). If you dont have wealth or looks, its not worth effort

              I've found the sweet spot when it comes to women are 7 or 8. They're better looking than average, but arent quite so stuck up that if you refuse to spoil them they'll leave.

              [–]ChaosDesigned 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I am going to have to agree with you on this one. Usually the upper numbers are spoiled and tend to have multiple options therefor they don't take the time to think their choices through and are often really immature because they've had all their decisions made for them.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              7 or 8 is where it is at. Sure every guy dreams of that unicorn 10 with a great personality but lets be real here. A solid 7.5 is much more likely to be down to earth and gonna hit that wall sooner or later. If you are in a LTR look at the mother, 10s now aren't always 10s 10-15 years from now.

              [–]OpiumPhrogg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              A solid 7 or 8 probably won't hit the wall quite as hard and fast as a 10. 10s probably spend all their downtime fake tanning and caking on the makeup before they take a few white crosses and head out for a night of assaulting their liver with heavy drinking.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Agree 100%. Think I didn't word my post as clear as I wanted.

              [–]wheyapartment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The hottest girl I've ever known was one of the nicest I've ever known. She got bullied by the other girls because of it.

              [–]Gucci_do_the_dishes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              Also, 9s and 10s are the SOLE repository of smart non-feminists in America.

              I can't agree with that at all man, I've personally known plenty of girls that are counter-examples of this.

              [–]MLMIKE39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is good stuff. I can vouch for much of what is said here.

              [–]WeAreGlidingNow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Two questions: which sites do you use most? which city are you in? (if it's really one of the biggest in the world, this can't possibly be a way to ID you)

              [–]Blade686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              More gold stuff from Gatsby. Keep it going man.

              [–]Christiantrucker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The most important for me when I was dating was a woman's values.

              Me and my wife married because our values matched up morally and spiritually, and it has worked well for us.

              [–]dazerzooz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is a quality post. Thanks for sharing brother.

              [–]SnoopKittyCat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              Any experience with asian ladies online, I dated a few asian and still have hard time to understand how they work...

              [–]feelinglazy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Are you white? Yes => She will want to suck your dick.

              No => It depends.

              [–]datchristiansidehug -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              white guys are almost always with average to below average asian women, I think they can't tell who is or isn't attractive, or they just don't care. dunno which one. that and below average and avg asian women try to date up by dating white, to the point of fetishization.

              [–]sdflkjeroi342 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm pretty impressed by how congruent this post is to my own experiences... I've noticed the "average" girls are definitely my type - I've fucked a few hotties, but they've never been girls I'd want to see again, and the sex was, apart from them being extremely attractive visually, pretty meh.

              [–]DiebytheSword666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              THIS had me laughing quite a bit. : )

              These are the women that put work into themselves and actually have hobbies/talents (cooking, embroidery, baking, etc.)

              A pretty girl who doesn't have a single talent is a definite turn off.

              [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              But Gatsby, you say, aren't there women that are hot and feminine. Yes, of course there are, but if you think you'll find them online dating, you're delusional.

              Already found that. She had issues though, so the hot/crazy matrix still applied.

              [–]Banana_Slut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is amazing. Thanks bud.

              [–]muyuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Aroused from the memories this elicited.

              [–]spacehippi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I need more advice like this!!! Show me the path Yoda

              [–]DeathByToilet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Holy shit number 5 fits me perfectly. MY jaw dropped on how accurate this is.

              Basically , ive gone from a number 2 on that list to a number 5 , and i can honestly say , i have never felt more happier with a number 5.

              [–]2RedPill4LYF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Tip, if a girl wants you to choke her during anal, she's not the one you catch feelings on. Yet, time and time again, I see men fall for this exact type, and it's for one reason: The sex is amazing. This is exactly why "good girls" can't let go of alpha losers. Most guys treat them nice, show up to the Christmas dinner, and have awesome 3 minute missionary sex. An alpha will fuck her so well she'll have trouble walking the next day. Getting the picture yet?

              Damn straight. That's a very interesting observation you make cause I aint thought of it like that before, but it really does make a lot of sense.

              [–]ThousandTruths 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Can you get a tattoed bitch if you don't have any tats yourself?

              [–]audiopathik 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              Oh yea! For me in RL, every girl I have been with had ink and I have no ink myself. It's just how you present yourself to them. Alpha.

              [–]higher-standards 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              My favorite line when they ask if you have tattoos - "you don't put bumper stickers on a Ferrari"

              [–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              It may be a good idea to share some of the sites you have used, and the sort of introductory messages you have sent that received responses.

              I've used online dating with some success in the past. Plenty of Fish seemed like a decent free site.

              [–]topspeedj 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              POF is good for meeting women, but since it's free it's saturated. And they really ramped up the upgrade price.

              It's best used in big cities where there's a university so you get a consistent supply of attractive, educated women. I used POF when I was at university and met some really interesting women, including my last LTR.

              I recently deleted my POF account after moving to a rural area though, the area's saturated with fat and undereducated hogs. Some of the ugliest women I've ever seen.

              [–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Remarkable; keep this up and the gold will flow.

              [–]Indianbro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              Settle for average? Why put so much effort to increase our SMV only to settle for less attractive. Hell, if I wanted a 5 or a 6 then I could have had one without putting so much effort into increasing my SMV by going to gym, working on game, ect. This really doesn't make sense.

              [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Thing is, most of the 5's or 6's are looking for guys who most would consider way out of their league. The more attractive you are, the more 5's and 6's will be willing to fuck you. May sound sad that we are "settling", but sorry, that's the way it is.

              [–]Indianbro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I mean I guess that could work to your advantage of pre-selection if you have women fighting for you

              [–]5hogun 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Lotta guys in this thread trying to convince themselves 9-10s are worse than average chicks. Sure, whatever you say.

              Average aligns with average.

              Incredibly attractive aligns with incredibly attractive.

              There's a reason Pitt and Jolie are suited together while Billy Bob and Aniston are pretending their exes weren't that good anyway.

              A super high SMV male isn't going to experience "shit" from a high SMV female the same way some guy punching above his weight (but who happens to have tight game, or money, etc.) will.

              And of course a high SMV male can have an average woman treating him like a king in no time, but that won't make a truly high SMV male happy for long at all.

              Still a damn good post regardless.

              [–]Lil_Dick_McFarts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Aniston is way better than jolie, but thats just my opinion.

              [–]Adrian_mx -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Great fucking post. We need something like this around.

              [–]audiopathik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I agree with all of this! I have been on and off with OKC. I have like 75% success response by just simply saying "Hi".

              [–]gstvtrp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Pictures are everything online. No message or profile will save you if you're trying to go for 6s and above.

              Get professional photos taken if you need that extra boost.

              [–]bisexie -4 points-3 points  (4 children)


              A snack consisting of a baguette filled with french fries, sauce, and other ingredients.


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                [–]bisexie -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

                I missed out on that. Got a link?

                [–]le_king_falcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Google: The Great Gatsby

                Its a pretty good book. As for the recent film starring Leonardo Dicaprio I can't comment but it seems to have been well received.

                [–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I could really go for a gatsby right now.

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                [–]Infamous89 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                if your rich, why be on a dating website

                [–]zuk1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                i think he explained that quite well in the post

                [–]JamesKBoyd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Learn to love and live linguistics. Ladies love a fellow who knows his way around the english language, inside and out. Being a lexicographer is basically the easiest way into a woman's panties.