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[–]myschadenfreude 129 points130 points  (3 children)

This never ceases to amaze me. She gives you a bj on the flimsiest excuse, comes over to your apartment to "watch Netflix" and only when directly confronted says she has a bf. Lol she was shoving you into the orbiter role.

You did the right thing. Nicely dropped her off too. I just find it funny still that women are surprised when they get called out. I feel bad for her bf since she hands out bjs so freely.

[–]USmellFunny 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It's natural to be surprised of things that don't happen very often. Most guys would just pretend to be ok with the situation and let her waste the oxygen in their house.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah she was pushing with both hands. I suspect even now she is expecting an apology from op any minute.

[–]myschadenfreude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I expect a white Christmas, doesn't mean I'll get it.

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    [–]thredditsowaway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yup. Girls do not communicate honestly with men. If a man gets back with his ex, he says "I'm back with my ex." If a woman gets back with her ex, she just stops answering texts (unless she wants something else from you).

    [–][deleted] 223 points224 points  (65 children)

    Like a boss. Nice job dude.

    [–]rhabdothrowaway -5 points-4 points  (64 children)

    Im gonna hijack the top post to call OP out.

    She wanted to have sex with you. She might have been mad at her boyfriend for not taking her to dinner, and she was probably planning on hooking up with you.

    I mean you had drinks, netflix on, were on a couch alone with her? C'mon man.

    Honestly I think your game isn't strong enough. She needed to be taken in the passion of the moment. You didn't put much detail here so I can't comment on that any further, but as far as what happened next - the questions you asked her after that just scream beta to me. Questions like "What happened you were all about it", "What would your boyfriend think", "why are you here", etc. They really sound needy/defensive

    I would even go so far as to say that her not allowing you to 'have any progress' was a shit test. That you failed.

    And then you gave her a ride after that.

    None of that really matches up with the red pill mindset at all. I think you have some work to do.

    [–]lemonparty 253 points254 points  (19 children)

    Fuck that. Not every red-pill situation demands pussy. Sometimes you get so disgusted with a chick that you just have to cash out for the night and close up shop.

    Anyone who has never been so disgusted with a chick that you just want to be rid of her is a desperate chump who doesn't know that the value of poon has an upper limit.

    [–]back_in_towns 50 points51 points  (2 children)

    Agreed; I hate how every instance of LMR is chalked up to the man's failure. Sometimes a woman's conservative values are threatened enough to make it real resistance and not a game. It sucks to bring one home, but they exist. They love the attention and relish the ability to string along good-looking guys before ultimately rejecting them because there's a boyfriend orbiting somewhere.

    [–]Snivellious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm surprised more people don't acknowledge this one. Having been the "boyfriend somewhere" and gotten independent confirmation of what happened, this is a very real thing. The sex was secondary - if she got the attention and feminine feelings that being seduced brings, there was no real need to hook up.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 24 points25 points  (3 children)

    I've passed on a sure thing many times because something about her turned me off. An attitude, something like what happened to OP, or she said something that sends up enough of a red flag for me to ignore/next her.

    Pussy isn't the be all end all, and you're exactly right lemonparty.

    [–]Reddthrown 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. There is no obligation to have (or try to have) sex with a girl.

    [–]Coolfuckingname 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You said that fantastically well. I recently stopped seeing a girl who i had fantastic sex with because she behaves like a selfish unpredictable child. The good sex wasnt worth putting up with her bullshit. I rather save that energy and invest it in myself and finding a quality woman with whom the sex is good AND i like to be with her and she adores me.

    Not all sex is worth the bullshit. OP did well and you are right!

    [–]cooledcannon -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

    Disgusted for being a sloot? wut

    [–]crasher555[S] 38 points39 points  (1 child)

    Dude I escalated in every way possible and she was being ice cold, THEN this conversation happened.

    The conversation turned me off.

    [–]southernmost 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Seems like as soon as you came to the conclusion that effort > reward, you made a logical choice and got rid of her.

    [–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (4 children)

    I disagree. I understand that often times we make fun of "no means no" and girls put up token LMR just to not feel like a slut. However. There are occasions where a girl is trying to make a dude into an orbiter i.e. pull some shit like this. OP's response was appropriate. Continuing to escalate after she said no could lead to some moral grey area.

    OP froze her out by telling her it was time to go. If she wanted to stay, she could've grabbed him and made out right there. He basically put it in perspective: either fuck or get the fuck out.

    The beta thing would have been to stick around watching movies as BFF besties.

    A girl not DTF is not a shit test. LMR comes after making out and doing sexual things. That's why it's called LAST MINUTE resistance. A girl being frigid and unwilling to escalate with you is NOT LMR.

    [–]crasher555[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Exactly! LMR and being ice cold are totally different things!

    [–]rhabdothrowaway -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

    I think that your post and mine cover the situation nicely. I don't think it is possible to know which interpretation is correct without full details.

    [–]behindtheline40 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Sometimes they'll admit to 'seeing someone new' just so they don't feel totally guilty about it and see how you'll react. If they can pull a jealous or emotional reaction outta you-then they have you as an orbiter. But, if you stay cool with it youll be fine. So good job OP for that. BUT you could've easily gone further. She's on your couch drinking beers and watching netflix.. Turn on enough charm, relentlessly flirt get close and make her laugh and she'll likely turn. Or even pull a bit of dread.

    [–]AWildJervisHasAppear 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Being redpill isn't defined by fucking another guys girl. You can live the lifestyle and still have personal, moral boundaries.

    [–]Groshub 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Pussy isn't everything. the less time you spend working for pussy the better, in this situation OP's action were justified.

    [–]HahahahaWaitWhat 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    She wanted to have sex with you.

    Who cares what she wanted? It doesn't sound like the OP wanted to have sex with her at that point, he just wanted her out of his house and out of his life.

    [–]Manuel_S 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    Partially you may be right, but:

    Getting her ass in the street WAS a strong move.

    Taking her home was also. Shows he's class, and not afraid to face her during the trip.

    Why is it good to show class? Takes away a ready excuse for the hamster "he was a rude idiot".

    [–]Snivellious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There's also the fact that it's social market value. Shooting her down and doing his own thing is a high SMV activity, but dumping her ass on the street isn't. We don't have to get into what was deserved to see that it wouldn't have been a good move socially.

    First, she would get to be offended so she'd be telling the story instead of keeping quiet. Second, leaving someone you were hanging out with with a long walk is generally rude. Leaving a girl with a long walk at night is generally ruder (not that I know the area, but there are some where it actually matters). All of this could erode social standing with someone he actually gives a shit about.

    You hit the nail on the head - this was "I'm not interested, but classy and unafraid." Actions have consequences beyond the people they're aimed at, and on that level his choice was excellent.

    [–]sinfulmentos 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Wow I can't believe how many of you dipshits here tunnel vision so hard on the pussy and put it so high up on the pedestal. It's not about fucking each and every pussy possible. It's not about "becoming all alpha" just so you can get the pussy. It's about being a better, stronger man, and the pussy is a nice side effect.

    OP did the alpha thing here. Most of us here see that and see why. Some of you have some work to do.

    [–]Dark_Shroud 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This woman is a friend of a friend, close enough that he was asked to give her a ride home the first time.

    Sometimes just walking away from the game is the best move. She disgusted him and he played it smart the rest of the way.

    [–]200mgtestc 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    As a matter of personal preference, not every guy here will bang a girl with a boyfriend.

    [–]BFMCBeaner 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Or some of you will experience banging broads where over 50% have boyfriends or husbands

    [–]200mgtestc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't think I understand, but I interpret your point as "50% of chicks have boyfriends, even if they don't tell you." Is that correct?

    I think that's up to them.

    [–]kovu159 14 points15 points  (5 children)

    I don't want a girl that still hasn't broken up with her boyfriend. I would not bang a girl that I know is still in a relationship. I have a moral code that's worth more than a hookup.

    [–]_valtiel_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It would have been way worse if they managed to finish the movie and no progress was made. But yeah, a drop off to a bus station and some fare would suffice.

    [–]TooLittleQuestions 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's not 100% about the pussy. That's pathetic. He's just disgusted by her behavior and it makes sense.

    [–]SoulTrack 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Yeah. I don't think this is a good example of a field report. I mean, the girl was at his place. Alone. Drinks, watching movies.

    Congrats on bringing a girl home, now work on the rest.

    [–]crasher555[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    It's a field report of Red Pill behaviour. I've had other lays this summer but those were casual.

    [–]_valtiel_ -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    I don't think it was meant to be a "good" field report.

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      [–]Upvote Me!trpbot[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      You cannot award OP a point because you are not an Endorsed Contributor or your point score is below 5.

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      [–]chewis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Never forget what MGTOW stands for.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      OP showed us the ultimate in Outcome Independence. You need to take it off the pedestal a lot more than OP needs to improve his game.

      [–]leaffur -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      I 100% thought this as well. OP failed to recognize some signs for sure. Then again, we weren't there. Maybe from an outside perspective it might seem like she was DTF, but in the moment she was cold and unresponsive.

      [–]rhabdothrowaway -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

      Yea, I would like some more detail, but them being alone on a couch with drinks, after she already had given him a blowjob at some other point in time... to me there is almost no way she was trying to be 'just friends'

      I believe that women know hours ahead of time if they are going to advance with a guy or not. If she didn't envision herself lying down on his couch, then she never would have sat on it in the first place.

      [–]iReign_x 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      I knew I could have escalated and gotten some at that point... but fuck it, I don't have time for shitty people like this.

      He knew.

      [–]rhabdothrowaway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      That quote, and realization, comes from the car ride when he was dropping her off. It probably never had to get to that point at all.

      [–]crasher555[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      She started acting warmer in the car. But at that point I did not want to bang her anymore.

      [–]Luckyluke23 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

      this 10000000000X times.

      dude, the best advice i can give you is this...

      when ever you are with a girl, make sure she is having fun and giver her the happyness and the excap she is looking for.

      what i mean by this is. she is WITH YOU when she has a bf. if her bf was doing it right she would be with her. she doesn't want to her about the mistake she is making by getting with you. she wants to escape her shitty problems for a few house and have a good time with you.

      why are you trying to fuck that up? it does sound like you got offeneded when she souldn't put out. I don't think it was th right move to be all in a huff about it. though I would have driven her home and some point if she wasn't giving it up. I wouldn't have done it all pissed off and shit... just be happy the girl is there with you at that point in time... you don't need to be pissy. there are other girls man. don't swear it.

      [–]1AfterC 46 points47 points  (0 children)

      Play the game on your terms or don't play at all. It's quite simple and more conducive for your happiness in the long run.

      [–]NietzscheanStoic 30 points31 points  (1 child)

      Has she tried to contact you since?

      [–]gideonrakthor 58 points59 points  (7 children)

      Gjm8. You were focused on what you wanted and didn't back down when she refused. She'll know you hold your agenda above hers and respect you for it.

      [–]lepthymo 43 points44 points  (4 children)

      I don't think OP gives a fuck whether she respects him or not.

      [–]JihadDerp 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      I know he doesn't care whether she was dtf, but girls don't fuck guys they don't respect.

      [–]Fzed600 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Yes they do. What about the duty sex women stuck in marriage?

      [–]Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I don't buy it. Check out deadbedrooms if you want to see how that goes - after a bit, duty sex evaporates altogether. The role of duty in sporadic sex is just one more point in the guy's favor. They have sex on their anniversary because he demonstrates wealth with flowers, temporary SMV as she remembers how he used to be, and in-relationship SMV because society still tells her she's expected to fuck on the anniversary. Duty sex happens when his situational SMV gets just high enough to get him some sex.

      (Note: I'm ignoring prostitution and it's analogues in all of this. Sex for homework help or for taking her on an expensive vacation is so transactional that it's a different beast altogether.)

      [–]gideonrakthor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I agree, but it can help other readers.

      [–]ioncloud9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      i dont think she will respect him. Probably hamster into thinking "all he wants is sex. typical asshole"

      [–]freedombaldeagle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Probably. But her gina will still give her tingles when she thinks about him even if her brain is hamstering.

      [–]WeAreGlidingNow 36 points37 points  (16 children)

      A blowie as a 'thank you' ?

      Not sure if jealous or disgusted.

      Both?

      [–]crasher555[S] 10 points11 points  (12 children)

      She was flirty with me all night and I was flirty and a bit aloof, it was driving her crazy. My panty dropper car helped seal the deal.

      [–]skinnysandvs 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      you gotta tell us what kind of car it is now

      [–]2elysius 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      It's a 2014 Panty Dropper. Can't you read?

      [–]crasher555[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      It's a late model German 2 door convertible. Don't wanna put ALL my details here lol.

      [–]Birdoftruth 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      classic car? or modern luxury?

      [–]David35207 48 points49 points  (0 children)

      2002 Toyota Rav4 with a dent in the back

      [–]JihadDerp 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Scooters are for guys who want a motorcycle but prefer to feel the wind on their vagina.

      [–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      What?! Scooters are man-transports! It's hogs like Harley Davidsons that are for flapping vaginas!

      [–]cooledcannon -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

      Its only puritanical christianity that makes you feel disgusted, really.

      Throughout history it was the standard for females to trade sexual activity for material resources.

      [–]Snivellious 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      He can still be disgusted by the economics of it. A blowjob for an otherwise-free ride home says something about how she values herself, and it isn't good.

      Of course, my read isn't that it was a sex act for resources, it's that she wanted him.

      [–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      A blowjob for an otherwise-free ride home says something about how she values herself, and it isn't good.

      It is if you like receiving blow jobs for very little effort. I, for one, approve.

      [–]_Dog- 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      Self respect feels good doesn't it?

      [–]momomotorboat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Looks like you took a good step forward. It's logical to assume from your past interaction what was going down this time. But then, oh wait, logic and women??? (I always think of Jack Nicholsons line from As Good As It Gets)

      I've dropped plates when I find out they're taken also. Sex is a great prize and all, but now I'm always mindful of the company I keep, even briefly. To me, no pussy is worth those potential headaches. Maybe that's not RP enough for some.

      [–]ALandForlorn 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      Can someone explain why girls try to turn guys they are ostensibly sexually attracted to into beta orbiters at the drop of a hat? I don't get how someone can find someone attractive enough to want to suck his dick for a mere ride home then just think of him as a friend immediately after. Is sex just some novelty act that many girls feel the need to do with anyone they get alone with or did OP screw up somewhere here? This is not a criticism; I ask this as a clueless retard just trying to understand this dynamic.

      [–]gg_s 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      To see if they can. It's a shit test.

      [–]ALandForlorn 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      But why would she want to do that if she's into him. Why would she risk losing the sexual satisfaction in favor of boring friendship?

      [–]1nf4m0uz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Because it's an unconscious way of deciding who's the better alpha between the one she's dating and OP. why do you think she started warming up when they got on the car? OP maintained frame and that showed her who.

      [–]oppstemmer1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Well, he did nothing to satisfy her back when she did something for him, so that is likely why she friendzoned him instead of pursuing more..

      [–]PlusGoody 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      OP, you met a fairly common variant of the slut-in-denial. She sluts it up, and then to disprove that she's a slut, engages in a conspicuous display of virtuous rejection of the man she slutted it up. It's a semi-advanced form of hamstering. You'll experience it again unless (of course) you take the wise course and simply next any girl who blatantly sluts it up with you the first time she does so. Even if she stays willing, after the first time, it's a relationship, and relationships with sluts don't end well.

      [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      You probably could have fucked her. What girl hangs out with a guy, alone, after recently sucking him off, and not expect the possibility to fuck? Sure, she may not have been conscious about it, and would use the BF excuse, but you probably could have just "taken her in the moment" or some other stupid excuse she'll give. I've fucked plenty of girls with BF's, and all they are looking for is an excuse to fuck and not seem like a slut. Just gotta make it seem like it "just happened".

      [–]redbluepilling 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      I was back in town and asked to hang out.

      I was not making any progress with her on my couch after a couple of drinks and netflix on.... then I asked... "what happened you were all about it a few weeks ago".

      Here's my issue: his game got worse while he was getting frustrated, and he reached a breaking point. He confronted her logically and then finally she said she had a boyfriend (most likely would have never told him otherwise if what he says about his escalation attempts was true--otherwise, she would have ended it right away).

      Other signs this was going bad was all the 'asking'.

      And finally, he escalated too little / late. A few drinks in? Really? OP, you got a bj from this girl outside her house (you should have been sexually comfortable with her--[as you should with all girls]). You're trying too hard. You're doing the same shit every guy has ever done to her on a movie date night.

      OP and the girl knew what movie night means but he acted like a virgin teen spooning his gf to finding nemo, then finally broke the tension in frustration, a place of weakness, instead of conveying strong sexual intent (earlier on, before digging a grave). His explanation for disgust with her seems like a rationalization to cover up his own failures. Top voted comments in here are saying that it's 'not OPs fault'. Idiots you're in TRP, a basic principle is taking responsibility and looking where you may have fucked up. Instead, everyone's fellating OP trying to make themselves feel good and justified if they were or have been in his shoes.

      Perhaps I'm being too critical, but fuck, someone needs to be (asd1100 gave very useful advice). The truth is somewhere in between. This post though doesn't focus on any learning lessons OP derived from this, which simply means OP wanted to feel vindicated and proud of his kicking a girl out and doesn't want to think of what might have gone wrong too (which will help him in the future).

      [–]1RXRob 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      An easy BJ to suck you in (giggidy), and then being "friends" to make you into an orbiter.

      You're better off without her, good job.

      [–]EscortSportage 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Yes this is what i like to hear (read)

      [–]2asd1100 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      The situation, HB8 girl I gave a ride home after a party as a favour to a friend, she gave me a BJ as a thank you outside her house. That was a month ago and I've been travelling for work... I was back in town and asked to hang out.

      I was not making any progress with her on my couch after a couple of drinks and netflix on.... then I asked... "what happened you were all about it a few weeks ago". Her: "I started seeing somebody new, I just wanted to be friends"

      You maintained frame the first time but then you started chasing.

      Don't pussyfoot around it if you don't ask directly for the bang when you invite her over, you imediatly convey interest and escalate the second she comes trough the door. Way before drinks and forget about netflix until after sex.

      I think you overreacted: you let her frame it as a hang out between friends and then bitched why she didn't want to make out with a friend.

      You can't be mad at her for not abiding your arbitrary rules of conduct you have in your head.

      Maybe I read the situation wrong and you where clear even from the text that you wanted nothing more than to bang. Maybe you did escalate but she just led you on. If so I apologise.

      [–]skinnysandvs 24 points25 points  (1 child)

      if i was a girl and i blew a dude after a party, if he invited me over to "watch netflix" i would know what was supposed to go down. she knew as well

      [–]2asd1100 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Again, expecting reason, for no reason at all other than that is how a man would behave.

      Fundamentally, if it doesn't suit you, you don't "know" shit. You play dumb. If you can twist the situation into a casual thing, you do it. You don't want to bang a guy just because you blew him at a party "ages ago". Certainly not if he isn't decisive, dominant and most importantly doesn't get you all tingly and exited.

      [–]redbluepilling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is spot on useful advice and exactly how I saw it. Pussyfooting happens, overreacting happens, it is part of the process of learning and calibrating. OP and top commenters/upvoters need to swallow their pride and be self-critical for the sake of improvement. Otherwise you'll just repeat the same shit and never learn.

      [–]_valtiel_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      OP you were right to freeze her out. One thing about the topic title, you didn't kick her out the door. You drove her home, it's a decent thing to do. I wouldn't waste gas to drive her home though, maybe dropped her off at a bus stop. I'm a cold bastard though, so that's just me.

      I don't know why people are saying he could have gotten laid. Redpillers shouldn't be obligated to fuck anybody if they're turned off. It's like putting pussy on a pedestal again. "You could have totally banged her dude! Why didn't you bang her ARGH!"

      He didn't keep her around to bang her because he simply didn't want to. This a perfectly fine field report and many can learn from it. At the end of the day he hung out at the bar with friends.

      [–]AEther_Flux 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      "An emotional tampon" I love it!

      [–]gimmetrp 5 points6 points  (10 children)

      Meta: What's all this HBx business? Couldn't find it in the glossary.

      [–]Self_Actualize 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      It means "Hot Babe" then her SMV out of 10. It's used on the seduction subreddit

      [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Graded on a bell curve. Lotsa 4s,5s, 6s, very few 1s or 9s.

      [–]LifeIsLoud182 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      HB: "Hot Babe" and the number is attractiveness out of 10.

      [–]thalaser 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      I'm supportive, but isn't it taken as read that an "8" is a hot babe?

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'd prefer something like BC8 to indicate it's grading on a true bell curve meaning 5 is a true average where most women fall.

      On a real bell curve 1-2 and 9-10 would be extremely rare, about 4% of all women. 4-6 would be the most common taking up about 70% of the space. The 7-8, where TRP seems to live, would be about 10% of women.

      [–]LifeIsLoud182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      And according to OkCupid's data you'd be absolutely right. Well... for men at least. Curiously, that data also shows that female perception of male attractiveness correlates more closely with the way men use the HB scale day to day.

      But this could be a moot point because perception influences our behaviour significantly more than objective reality. The quantitative appearance of 1-10 scale belies the qualitative nature with which it is implemented.

      An average guy might rate himself as a 7 or maybe an 8 on a good day. He believes he's slightly above average but thinks that there's plenty of room for improvement which he works for, spurred on by the idea that he can reach his goals. A guy's rating of a given girl is based more on self-reflective belief systems like this than on logical evaluation of empirical evidence. It's individual, dynamic and relies heavily on self-esteem.

      So from a perception/belief angle, this is what the 1-10 scale might mean for an average dude:

      • 5 and below = a bunch of non-specific girls of varying degrees of unattractiveness that you would probably try to avoid even if they hit on you

      • 6 = less attractive than you; zero game required; not particularly proud if you sleep with her

      • 7 = same attractiveness as you; some game required; feel affirmed if you sleep with her

      • 8 = slightly more attractive than you; good game required; feel very pleased if you sleep with her

      • 9 = significantly more attractive; requires great game plus being in a state of 'flow'; makes you want to brag about it

      • 10 = intimidatingly attractive; requires conditions that (for now) are beyond your control; can't quite believe it happened

      edit: wording

      [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      this is how i use it now which is why im always sceptical of all the extreme numbers i see and blatant miss labelling of photos as being too high for their appearance.

      [–]gimmetrp 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Didn't think it would be that simple of an acronym. Everyone knows about the scale, but I figured it would just be called the "SMV scale" on here.

      Thanks.

      [–]LifeIsLoud182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      No problem. It's not really associated with TRP philosophy the same way SMV is. 'HB' has its roots in the PUA scene. Phrases like 'Hot Babe' have been replaced by more terse ones like 'plates'. But HB is great short hand so that's probably why it stuck around.

      [–]fyseaking 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I did this myself but instead of asking questions I said "Ok, we're done here. Leave." Without a word after that I got under the covers and pretended to go to sleep.

      She stood there for a few minutes seeing if I'd cave. Fucking nope. Then she was like "You're an asshole." She got in the sheets again and we banged.

      You failed her shit test but lesson learned.

      Though in the end you did the right choice, bro. Next time don't give girls a ride though, tell her she needs to leave and find her own ride for maximum impact. Hold frame after that & you should be rewarded.

      [–]crasher555[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      that's awesome lol. Will attempt.

      [–]clear_lights 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You played it right.

      IMO, the moment a plate starts saying shit like, "I'm taken now" or "I started seeing someone exclusively" just hard next her. There's no point. I wouldn't go that far in permanently cutting off contact though because she might come back crawling in your arms.

      For the record, if you did get laid that night while she was in a relationship, that says a lot about that woman's priorities.

      Props for keeping it real with the:

      Me: "What would your boyfriend think?"

      Most guys wouldn't even give the girl a chance and just escalate it to get their dicks wet.

      [–]flexiblehold 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I've been seeing a lot of "Netflix on the couch" shit on here lately, and it seems very beta to me.

      Netflix on the couch in jammies on a Sunday afternoon is ltr shit, it's not seductive at all, imho. Same with cuddling. Teddy bear crap.

      Another red flag is hang out. NO. "Let's hang out" is like failing a shit test she never gave you, it says to women 1) you don't have a plan 2) you aren't confident enough to put a more aggressive sexual foot forward 3) that you might be into just, well, hanging out.

      It should be: "let's get a drink." "Let's grab dinner." "Let's grab a coffee." With all of the aforementioned, you follow with "I know a place," or "at ____." THEN you take her back to the pad, after she's had a few and after you've properly escalated.

      Netflix-on-the-couch is how you reward a bitch after she's earned her place as a consistent top plate.

      [–]crasher555[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      ... we grabbed drinks at a bar down the street and then headed back to my pad...

      [–]ioncloud9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Yeah netflix on the couch works to seal the deal after the initial date. Date, back to your place to "watch a movie" which turns into sex after about 5-10 minutes.

      [–]babybelly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "Are you mad at me?" bla bla I was just disgusted and pitied her boyfriend. I knew I could have escalated and gotten some at that point... but fuck it, I don't have time for shitty people like this.

      FRs I see recently make me wonder if there are actually girls worth keeping as it sounds like all of them are hard wired to wanna fuck you when you give them the "you did somethhing wrong" treatment. If so OP should just have get some and not have his evening ruined. Sounds selfish sure but if all the girls are the same where is the harm?

      [–]iheartdrums86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This happened to me, too. Not too long ago I met a girl at work and she went out with myself and some friends. Afterwards we went to a house party where she sucked me off on some strangers couch while everybody else was in the next room. Fast forward a couple of weeks when I bring it up to try and advance things to no avail. Log onto to Facebook yesterday to see pictures of her with another guy at a wedding...LOL I felt bad for that guy, too...

      [–]1IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I knew I could have escalated and gotten some at that point... but fuck it, I don't have time for shitty people like this.

      This is so important. You could've fucked her, then written an FR about how "deese hoes ain't loyal", but you took the high road. You took the right decision in this situation, and I know that quite a few guys here wouldn't (not judging them, newly-discovered game is a fun thing to play with, but you've got to draw the line somewhere).

      I guarantee that she's done shit like this with other guys.

      [–]ThousandTruths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Good job dude. No females friends around an alpha, only fuck buddies. And maybe super ugly female friends that are good at chess or something (unlikely).

      [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Women are not worth having as friends. I haven't met a single one that is even close to the same value a male friend is. You did the right thing by kicking this girl out of your life.

      [–]1xwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If she was not the close friend of a close friend, I would not have given her a ride home. 5 min drive, gave her the silent treatment "Are you mad at me?" bla bla I was just disgusted and pitied her boyfriend.

      I would recommend holding frame better. You clearly got upset with her. Once you decided fun times were off the table, just write her off. Not trying to give you advice to get laid, just pointing out you would probably be happier not caring as much. Besides, she was shitty to you, and you were still nice enough to drive her home. You don't owe her an explanation. "Are you mad?" ""Nah." Keeps driving

      [–]no-identity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I was not making any progress with her on my couch after a couple of drinks and netflix on.... then I asked... "what happened you were all about it a few weeks ago". Her: "I started seeing somebody new, I just wanted to be friends"

      Disgusting. Good work kicking her ass out of there at the drop of a hat.

      [–]PolishHammerMK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Stonewalled. Good on you, OP. You got a stronger moral compass than some other guys on here, and you starved her inner hamster.

      [–]maximun_vader -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      You are an asshole. I like you. We should be friends.

      [–]otiswild 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I like you. You have balls. I like balls.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsoSVdJikDw

      [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

      You ruined frame by getting pissed that she wouldn't hook up with you. You should've been indifferent about that and just said something like "no big deal, it's cool." She probably just thinks of you as a butt-hurt loser and is laughing about you with her boyfriend now.

      [–]crasher555[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      nope, I did not get pissed. I just did not want to spend time with her under her rules, I'd rather go out with friends.

      [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      That's fine and all, but you don't have to act like a robot about it. Just be up front and say "Hey sorry about this, I had different intentions.. I thought you were into me and to be honest I'd rather meet up with some friends and hangout with them for the night. You care to join?" You can leave the last part out if you don't genuinely enjoy her company on a friendly level. But then I'd wonder why you're trying to make the moves on her to begin with.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      If sex was subtracted from the universe would men and women spend much time together?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If they had shit in common, yeah probably.

      [–]AllMenDrip -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      People on this thread will say that you held frame but given the situation I'd say that you acted in frustration and desperation. You have a minor sexual history with the girl yet you didn't act as an alpha and bring her tingles. You just expected her from the start to just drop her panties for you. You fucked up by asking questions( smells like desperation) but you could have recovered easily if you kept your head and ignored-and-escalate :

      Girl : I have a bf

      Boy: Doesn't matter. We're alone. Nobody will know. A one night, a breath of fresh air in the stench of commitment.

      I don't want to brag but every time I've had a girl at my place it has resulted into sex. So I don't understand how some men can end the night as a virgin.

      [–]WalletgotJcked -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

      Nice job i guess.

      Next time take it to the next level. Don't talk to her or even ask her questions. The girl doesn't know what the fuck she wants, at least consciously. Women hide their desires underneath all this bullshit society manifests into their brain. She sucked your dick a month earlier. Why teh fuck would she want to just watch a movie alone with you?

      It was a shit test, after the question you should have just grabbed her head and made out with her. Then thrown her head on your lap and whipped your dick out. Don't let her use you for her ego boost. You're using her for her mouth , vag, and maybe asshole if you roll that way.

      Learn from your mistake. Idk how red pill everyone on this forum really is, this is my first post - but as a guy who goes out 3 times a week for same night lays I can't help but smash my head into the table reading this.

      You had her. Don't let this happen next time.

      [–]crasher555[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Great advice. This is what I actually did and she blocked my kiss and the conversation happened. I know how to be forceful with a woman, but not an unresponsive brick like she was.

      [–]WalletgotJcked -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      Try again.

      Its not unusual for me to have to try a few times.

      Also i'm not sure how well versed you are in game but there are other things you should have done leading to that moment. You need to have her give complete control of her body to you. You can playfully pickup a girl and throw her on the couch next time for example.

      Regardless, I'm glad you at least tried.

      [–]crasher555[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I like the way you think. We can be friends.

      [–]WalletgotJcked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      pm me if you ever need advice.

      Id rather have that than a woman slapping your face with a dildo.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Hi, that's rape.

      Don't do that.

      [–]_valtiel_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      See, that's rape. Not even "she gave me a blow job a month earlier" would be applicable in court.

      [–]WalletgotJcked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Nah not really.

      It depends on how its done and who's doing it. I've never got any shit for it. I can understand why you would think that way, but open your mind up to the possibility that you can very well get away with it. In fact, at times the girl wants you to do it

      [–]23490865243879526487 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

      Good job but misleading title.

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        [–]crasher555[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        She wasn't that easy, it happened after some heavy petting.

        [–]redblue25 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        emotional tampon hahaha good one!

        [–]SamGill -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        she's such a f-ing liar! unbelievable some plates can be.

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          [–]crasher555[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

          While I respect your take on the situation, spending more time and effort to convince her into sex and proceed with your scenario would tell me that I'm too invested or possibly bitter.

          I was truly indifferent last night, it was calming like ocean waves. No voices in my head saying "Ah try this, try that" or condemning me for failing with her... truly not giving a fuck. I could get used to this.