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[–]N0TH4PPY 77 points78 points  (4 children)

This is when a situation like this turns into a nightmare: when a girl like this hits the wall and meets a Mr Nice Guy / BB; he would fall in love with her, and she'll think that she has found husband material.

A Disney-like story will follow, she'll think she was on the wrong path while riding the CC and now she is finally her true self, the nice girl that she was always meant to be, and she has finally found her white knight.

They will even get married, and live happily for a while, till the nightmare begins.

[–]zephyrprime 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah, they will try to make themselves believe that they have turned over a new leaf but it's not true. They have made themselves into what they are. Turning over a new leaf is SUPER HARD. Just meeting a new person isn't even 1/10th of the effort that needs to be done to turn over a new leaf.

[–]N0TH4PPY 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My experience is that they convince themselves that the CC period was not who they are, but the nice girl is who they were all along, they just took the wrong turn or something, usually rationalizing it and blaming it to some guy who treated them badly, or that's what everyone was doing, or I didn't know any better, or - my favorite - I didn't know you back then.

Guess what? You didn't know me, but I am sure there was more than 1 nice guy who had his eyes on you and you wanted nothing to do with them.

[–]BrunoOh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The problem is something that a lot of people don't realize: biological imperative supersedes mental ability. You can't negotiate desire, not even your own.

Society desperately needs a "love the beta"-pill.

[–]1redpillbanana 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Thanks for the excellent report.

I personally find innocence very attractive and sexy.

Porn star sex from an experienced woman can be fun, but for me, there's nothing like kissing a woman for the first time and feeling her shudder from the thrill of an experience that is still new and exciting.

"Been there, done that" sex can definitely be a turn off (although I admit that for oral sex, experience can be very important).

[–]HettGutt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I personally find innocence very attractive and sexy.

I suspect this has a biological reason behind it. If you've got a girl who's fucked 500 different guys, chances are she fucked one of them yesterday, and 4 over the past week. If you keep her as a plate (or hell, even a girlfriend) chances are she's fucking other guys on the side. If she gets knocked up, chances are the kid ain't yours.

[–]AndrewAtrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On top of that, there's the potential issue of telegony (pending more science)

[–]Inelukie 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Once the special glimpse in their eye is gone they are lost. It's not about a number, it's about that fact. Some girls can deal with more guys, some are lost after a single guy.

Find someone with that glimpse. Don't waste your time on the other ones.

[–]DexiAntoniu 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You can get intimacy even from sluts, if they really, really like you, and they are great fun, but I just love the shivers of a good girl, how you can see her heart booming through her chest, loving eyes, gasps at every touch, charming shyness and a bit of shame for giving it to you.

When you've felt a girl's adoration through your pores, sluts just make your existence emptier, lack of connection becomes frustrating. I call this unicorn-widower.

[–]down_with_whomever[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You get what I'm talking about.

[–]Talkshitgethit 22 points23 points  (16 children)

Please tell me you wrapped it up.

[–]MHOOD01 5 points6 points  (13 children)

I highly doubt that a lot of these dudes wrap it up, hell, they probably eat out said slut, and then put on a condom.

EDIT: Looks like I hurt someone's feelings. Just look at some of the field reports and you'll see that I'm not bullshitting. Some of them preach that marriage is stupid (I agree), but you are gonna risk getting an STD, or knocking a girl up? I'm done.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 1 point2 points  (10 children)

STD risks are overrated.

I'm more afraid of getting a girl pregnant than I am of any STD other than HIV.

[–]MHOOD01 1 point2 points  (9 children)

They are both even for me. You are either stuck raising a parasite or you're stuck having a parasite living on you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Except the fact that the only serious STD that stays with you forever is HIV. Everything else can be fixed with a shot/pill and a couple days of discomfort.

Herpes is extremely common, extremely mild, and not that serious. I feel like people who talk about herpes are high school kids or dudes with no experience who want to sound mature/experienced or like they're "above" it, but anyone who knows what herpes really is doesn't actually care about it.

Even the most painful and disgusting STDs like gonnorhea and chlamydia can be cured within a couple days.

[–]chewy_dragee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

HPV of the dick scares the shit out of me.

[–]MHOOD01 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Regardless, why would you want to have to shell out money for being stupid with your dick? No thanks, I'll save myself the time and money by wearing a rubber.

Good luck with that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Where did I promote unsafe sex?

Please quote me and next time try to use a bit of reading comprehension. So tired of the dumbass comments like this on this sub.

People get challenged and immediately want to argue or go on the attack. You're insulting a strawman with your ignorant statement because I never once said or promoted unsafe sex.

[–]MHOOD01 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Where did I say that you don't use condoms? I'm saying your logic on the whole thing is redundant regardless of whether or not some STD's are curable.

Challenge you? Get over yourself, bud.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Regardless, why would you want to have to shell out money for being stupid with your dick? No thanks, I'll save myself the time and money by wearing a rubber.

Good luck with that

This whole entire diatribe is implying that I promote unsafe sex or somehow endorse when all I said was that STD risks are typically overrated.

Especially with the passive aggressive "good luck with that" at the end.

And no I didn't say you challenged me. I said I challenged you. Which is what I did when I stated that STD risks are typically overblown. Once again, you seem to lack basic adult level reading comprehension.

[–]MHOOD01 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Haha, and I didn't say you promoted unsafe sex.

See how I set you up?

The thing is, you were the first one to reply to me with STD's being overblown, which is ridiculous, because I'm not willing to get none of that shit, or worry about getting a girl pregnant. So, instead you decided to try and debate with me on a matter that is so pointless and is worth nothing more, but a pissing contest.

I'm the one lacking basic reading comprehension? You throw that sentence out loosely.

[–]Gimprome 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Red pill is a community, not one person. No two people are the same, we are from all walks of life. We are all here for personal goals.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course he did. Read his post. He's too intelligent to not have wrapped it up with a chick he only knew for about 3 hrs.

I hope...

[–]Dubiousxy 115 points116 points  (38 children)

"She had no sense of hesitation, no shyness about her body, no sense of intimacy of limits."

This is why I don't know why everyone thinks spinning plates (aka sluts) is the holy grail. Fucking a girl that's done the exact same thing with a 100 guys before me has absolutely no appeal. I'd rather have a wank.

[–]1tombreck2 31 points32 points  (3 children)

A alot of people, myself included, are spinning plates until they find a quality girl.

Learn from your mistakes and when you get to the top of your game you will have a good chance to meet a quality one.

[–]Gimprome 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'd like to think of spinning plates as a fancy term for casual dating. All adults do it. You casually date a few people here and there, and if thinks go well with one of them after some time, you go exclusive. No harm, no foul.

[–]TimPartendale 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think if I said "casual dating" to any of my non-RP friends they would imply that there's some sort of exclusivity to that. Hooking up, "seeing each other", spinning plates, friends with benefits or one night stands all seem to get the point across better. In the end of the day, it's all just semantics.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (1 child)

practice. I probably won't maintain multiple chicks as a permanent lifestyle. But I need to know that I can. Plus its an ego boost any way you look at it. That's why chicks do it...

[–]BlueEyezzz 6 points7 points  (26 children)

spinning plates (aka sluts)

Since when is a plate equal to a slut?

[–]Dubiousxy 60 points61 points  (19 children)

If she's happy with NSA attached sex then there's a pretty good chance she's been around.

[–]l0rdg00b3r 12 points13 points  (17 children)

A plate is not simply NSA sex.

Plate theory is about maintaining NON-exclusivity. It doesn't make a woman a slut at all, the relationship with a plate is simply non-exclusive.

[–]getomc 50 points51 points  (11 children)

Men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Women are thr gatekeepers of sex. If she gives up sex without getting commitment, routinely she's a fuckin' slut.

[–]longerdistance -1 points0 points  (9 children)

Unless you are significantly higher value than her.

One of the many reasons to raise your SMV.

[–]getomc 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Nope. She's still a slut for giving it up without gettng commitment regardless of your SMV. That's some serious hamstering there.

Would you be okay with her cheating because "his SMV was sooo high?" Then she's a fuckin' slut.

[–]longerdistance 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I respectfully disagree. I fully expect a woman to have sex with a high SMV male even if he doesn't immediately commit to her just for the chance of such a man's commitment. It's in their nature and judging them for it leaves you a potential mate-pool of 0. What else do you think sex is besides a tool to get a mans commitment?

Besides, an integral part of gaming alpha men is going through despite the potential of competition.

And yes, if a higher SMV male is available she might cheat with him/try to branch swing, that is also in her nature, and AWALT. That doesn't mean you have to stay with her, but you do have to expect it.

[–]getomc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a reasonable thing to expect, don't get me wrong. She's still a slut.

[–]omg_cats -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

No. Trading value for sex has a well-established term: prostitution.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You're not trading in this situation. That would imply that as a man, your SMV decreases when you have sex.

[–]getomc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She's still a slut for giving it up without getting commitment.

Let's be clear here,we're not shaming. It's just the way it is. Women shame because it means the availability of sex goes up and therefore brings down the value of what they offer. It's really basic economics.

For us, free sex with sluts is just a perk of being AF, fit and attractive.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not arguing that she isn't slut. I'm just saying that no trades were made.

Unless you're saying she traded her SMV for sex with an alpha. Then in which case, the man is the prostitute and she's the customer. Either way, it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, the girl is a slut bucket. No shaming. Like you said, "its just the way it is". Lol

[–]omg_cats 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No it doesn't. The man is trading his attention, which is valuable as a high-SMV male. This happens all the time, see the rockstar/groupie dynamic.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahhhh. I see. Attention. I didn't take that into consideration.

[–]dailydouble 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Non-exclusive means she can be with whomever she wants as well. I'm fairly new to this, but between an exclusive girl and a non-exclusive girl, my guess would be the non-exclusive one will have sex more often with others whereas the exclusive one is hypothetically limited to one (assuming not cheating).

[–]strps 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Since your new to this allow me to shed a little light on your statement:

A woman who wants only exclusivity is likely to have sex more often with one man, as she will be pair bonding/mating and having sex very regularly, unless she is devoutly religious and unmarried.

A woman who does not want exclusivity will be having sex with more men, but less often. Unless she is a prostitute.

[–]dailydouble 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I didn't downvote, but I disagree. Hypothetically, let's assume your number of "sluttiness" is 20 guys (arbitrary number). Your non-exclusive girl would still reach 20 guys before exclusive girl regardless of frequency. So non-exclusive girl will always be more likely ("more likely" used as there will be exceptions of course) to be whatever number definition of slut you have.

[–]strps 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your post I responded to only mentioned frequency, not partner count.

[–]popthatpill 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Since when is a plate equal to a slut?

This is a good example of "a distinction without a difference".

[–]ArchetypalSage 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well, most women are sluts these days (in my book, slut = high partner count), thus most plates will be sluts...

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. A man will be hard pressed to find a woman past the age of 21 who hasn't slept with at least 5 guys. Whether LTR or not.

[–]garlicextract 3 points4 points  (1 child)

when was that not the case

[–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on what you're looking for. But it's definitely something to keep in mind when you're going out looking for women. Personally, I'm more sanguine about stuff like that, but you at least have to know what you want before you put yourself out there.

[–]KasperskyEmployee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know reading what "down_with_whomever" said im starting to think my ex was a slut...

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I spin plates until I stumble across a quality chick. Not that I have high hopes for find one, but you know... I could be wrong.

Until then, I need a nice cum dumpster. No offence to you ladies out there.

[–]aptway 58 points59 points  (30 children)

Great field report. I talk to friends all the time and casually say that I have no interest in pursuing anything long-term with a woman who has had more than 2 partners, and even then that's the maximum limit- they tell me "Good luck finding one" and "Wow, what a double standard!" I don't give a fuck. Men and women are wired differently.

In short, the societal norm has become that people are expected to have fucked at least a few people before "settling down." After all, how else do we know what we want? In my blue pill days, I truly believed this. The Red Pill flipped this on its head for me, at least as far as women go- I now believe the first sexual encounter of a woman's life to be one of the most impressionable experiences of her life insofar as it affects her ability to pair bond with a male. If you find out she's a quality woman and you'd be her first, you damn well better be responsible with that power.

Don't create alpha widows if you can help it.

[–]BadCopWithDonut 35 points36 points  (11 children)

Finding a good looking girl with no more than 2 partners is really difficult. How do you try to find our her partner count? Do you expect her to be honest when you ask for it? I think most girls will lie to you about this to make them more valuable

[–]aptway 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That's really the rub, isn't it then? If # of sexual partners and ability to pair bond are linked so closely together and you have no good way of getting that information, it stands to reason that most of your LTR gambits will be poor investments of your time.

[–]long-lostfriend 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of women will minimize their partner count if n>3, but most will not lie about being a virgin these days (except for family and church settings, perhaps). There is no cachet surrounding virginity in the contemporary West.

[–]down_with_whomever[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's doable. But it depends a lot where you're from and how old they are.

[–]BadCopWithDonut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah just thinking about it I feel like I swallowed some more of the red pill.

To have an idea of her partner count it is really important to look at her upbringing.

Did she have a strict religious household? Was her father around when she grew up? What people did she hang out with etc.?

These points are really important when trying to find out how many partners she had and essentially if she is even worth and ltr or only a plate.

[–]AnarchyBurger101 6 points7 points  (1 child)

lol! Yeah, if she's fifteen, and waiting to turn legal age in a few months, maybe 2. Not counting blowjobs of course, which may number into the dozens. ;) (obligatory Clerks reference)

If legal age is higher in your region, nope, outta luck!

[–]Soultrane9 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Finding a good looking girl with no more than 2 partners is really difficul

It is. But you run into at least one every 1-2 years or so depending on the quantity of your nights out.

The method of finding out is how does she react at the first sex, as OP described how did he spot the slut. How hard can you fuck her first time. How loose is her asshole? :P

As to where to look, college freshman. There are a handful of girls who develop later and was considered ugly ducklings in HS. If you want a girl like this you have to notice one who has potential and teach her. Not good choices of cloth, hair, makeup. Kind of standard / plain look. Questionable self esteem.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's tough to find them in the club and bar scene. They are much more common in other social venues but the problem with those venues is, of course, the higher time commitment and lower number of single girls.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you've been around enough plates you pretty much know how experienced they are. Virgin girls are out there, typically they are studious/conservative girls between 18-20, though I had one who was 27 before (seriously).

Like the OP stated, the girls who have been with a high count are emotionally stunted in that they can't pair bond with you. They can stay with you because of hypergamy, but it will be a logical bond not an emotional one.

I enjoy plowing a girl within the first few days you meet her, sluts are a lot of fun. When you are with a girl who is an actual virgin and there is this long build up, there's nervousness, but there is a real bond, it's an incredible rush. You can't compare sex with a slut to sex with a virgin.

Now is there a lot of bullshit with virgins? Absolutely. Some guys don't even bother with them because they suck in bed, they are needy, clingy, and all that. It's just a different type of bonding and I think every Red Pill man should experience it once.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats the point I've been trying to make. Some RPers claim that you can always get any woman to be honest. But most women know the deal. Probably from experience. If she ever told she fucked 16 guys, she already knows you think she's a slut. And she knows sluts are not acceptable.

[–]spectrum_92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If religiosity in a person doesn't bother you than the simplest way is to go for girls that are (actual/practicing) Catholics, flip side is they won't sleep with you very easily though, but that's basically the only possible way of finding a girl who is both attractive and a virgin

[–]BlueSunTzu 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Sincere question here:

In my BP days I have sincerely loved numerous women to the point of embarrassment, jumped into LTRs too quickly, let them walk all over me, been cheated on etc, basically making me a "man whore" as it were.

Do you think men like me are damaged and just as bad for a LTR in the same respect that women with a 2+ are? Or are people really capable of change?

[–]NS_white 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Not many people hear can give you a certain, expert level response, however, what are you going to do? Commit suicide? Just give up? No. You're fine, quit worrying about. You know how to act in relationships now and that's all that matters.

[–]BlueSunTzu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It seems pretty evident that RP takes the position that men are capable of change. I was just wondering why RP also takes the position that women, read slutty women, are not capable of change.

[–]NS_white 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are theories as to why slutty women aren't good for LTR's. These are all ideas, but not many are backed up by much. However, the actual correlation between relationship failure and number of partners a women had is very true, and that is what matters.

[–]Vladimir_Jr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They may, but unlikely on their own will.

Once a slut realizes that her life decisions got her nowhere, that she can't compete with yonger and hotter, she will HAVE to change her behaviour. But what difference it makes to you?

[–]Azzmo -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

People are capable of change. Hell, even these women are probably capable of change if they dedicate a year or two to self actualization with minimal interaction with anybody they're attracted to. Sort of a reboot.

You just need to practice your game and harden up a bit. Get some confidence and deal with that anxiety.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

even these women are probably capable of change if they dedicate a year or two to self actualization

LOL. And how many women do you know that can dedicate even a couple months to self actualization let alone a year or 2?

[–]Azzmo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not many would even acknowledge that 'alpha widow' is a thing, much less put in the effort to become a better person.

I probably know two women who would be rational enough to consider this and disciplined enough to go through with it. A very low %. Neither of them rode the CC to begin with, though, so it becomes a chicken-or-the-egg scenario.

[–]BrunoOh -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Men are much better at adapting. We're the selected sex, remember?

[–]gentleViking 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you find out she's a quality woman and you'd be her first, you damn >well better be responsible with that power.

Fuck, well, I screwed this one up. Wish I had known about this stuff earlier.

[–]Hitlers_Boss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too. I wish there was an article on not accidentally alpha widowing virgins. Though, if you want to and have good reason, its still ones choice.

[–]j-coordinate 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Why is the number of partners so closely linked to the ability to pair bond? Its worrying.women aren't built for long term monogamy yet numerous partners ruins them for LTRs.maybe they aren't built for LTRs in the first place.

[–]rpscrote 5 points6 points  (3 children)

maybe they aren't built for LTRs in the first place.

It seems humans may not be built for long term monogamy at all, from a purely biological perspective

[–]BlueSunTzu 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I think humans aren't really built for happiness, they seem to be built for struggle.

Everything the RP talks about will erode given time. All your wealth/gains/sexual conquests will just make your crave another, greater conquest.

Now, I am not saying we should not pursue these things until our dying day, but some people seem to be looking for stability where there is none.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recently finished reading a very good Sci-Fi trilogy in which this is the main theme. Explores the idea of what if there was nothing left to conquer -- how would people be? He arrives at the same conclusion as you. Very interesting way of depicting it though

It's called The Void Trilogy by Peter F Hamilton. Absolutely fantastic, highly recommended. It's in the same universe as a preceding prequel-sequel pair called Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained (The Commonwealth Saga) but that is not mandatory to read necessarily. Helpful for sure though.

[–]j-coordinate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No but are women worse suited to pair bonding than men?

[–]foolery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you be alpha and not create alpha widows when you next your girls? Should you soft next them by going beta and killing their attraction?

[–]1Goomich 16 points17 points  (1 child)

But she is a slut. And I'll tell you how I know.

They all are.

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    [–]fhghg 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    That's gross. I'd rather stay virgin. Seriously.

    [–]ETH_Zurich 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Where can I locate these pitiful creatures?

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      [–]1exit_sandman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Look for the haze of cigarette smoke, listen for the cackling and the frequent Bon Jovi jukebox offerings.

      Oh my God, that reminds me of a story a co-student of mine told me once about one of her outings when she met an older woman (40s) who was already tipsy at that point, danced (more or less) to the sound of Bon Jovi, spilled her guts to her and whined that there "are no good men left... except John Bon Jovi!"

      [–]idrivesmallcars 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      I read the title of this thread like Jerry Seinfeld

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This crossed my mind as well.

      [–]Gnometard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You've articulated perfectly a recent plate of mine. It had been giving issue as I started to "feel" something for her, but something was off. Thank you!

      [–]rztzz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I recently got a snapchat from a girl that didn't mean to send it to me. It was a sad face saying she feels bad after a one night stand. She then apologized profusely saying she didn't mean to send it to me and she doesn't usually do one night stands and clearly knew that her value just went down in my book. So some girls are at least aware of how being slutty is a bad trait

      [–]zephyrprime 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Yow, she put out 10x more signals than were needed to see she was a slut. "She's having a lot of fun riding the CC now" - I wonder if they really are? Despite eagerly wanting to ride that CC, it seems like doing so makes them miserable in short order.

      [–]BrunoOh 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Do heroin users have fun using heroin? They do and they don't.

      [–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That's a pretty good analogy of the situation.

      [–]femmefatalle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Fucking 2-3 different guys each week would be the stone age equivalent(timeline which our brains still operate on) of your male partner getting killed and replaced by a new one 2-3 times a week. After a while you just don't bother bonding to them, as they'll fucking die anyway.

      [–]redpillcypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's scary how many characteristics of your plate compare with mine. No father, smokes, drinks a lot, no mention of birth control, loves it from behind, scratches me, bites me and all within 4 hours of knowing her.

      [–]dapperpua 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is pretty eye opening for me and makes a lot of sense with certain girls I've been with. It was always very confusing for me seeing them through a blue lense. Half the time i would unknowingly sabotage the interaction because it just felt weird. I took it personally when that intimate connection (which is less so but still important to me) wasn't there and never realized she had already burned out.

      Definitely explains a lot for me. Should be able to move on now without taking things personally or trying to force a connection with these types.

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I see where you're coming from, but it's one of those situations where you have to tread lightly and stay out of your own head for a minute. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you could have missed something big which could swing the situation in a number of different directions.

      The first point is frame, Frame, motherfucking FRAME! Think about where you met her and the vibe you were putting out. Think about what kind of women would be around in that situation and what kind of woman would be attracted to your frame. Think about the woman's reaction to said frame. That's why solid Game is always the foundation of the Red Pill. You'd be surprised what kind of vibe you can give off.

      Also, think about where the woman's head is at. She might be a slut, or she might have just had a bad breakup and she's on Revenge Mode (tm). Or it could be a cold streak, and you're her streak breaker. A good game could suss out those details. Plus fucking style is probably the least informative point of information here. I've known sluts who cum like a damn geizer if can hit the stroke right, low body count women who need a steel chair, and everything else in between. Different women are different when it comes to these things. Assuming anything based on how you broke her back is a fool's errand.

      This isn't about white knighting as much as knowing your plate. Assuming that every woman is EXACTLY alike is stupid. AWALT, but the T has different variations.

      [–]sweeptheleg55 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yea. Aren't you a slut too?

      The red pill thing seems to be guys just trying to get comfortable being slutty like many modern girls are.

      Its spike everyone is trying really hard to become shitty superficial people. Nit cultivating themselves and passion and genuine real love.

      Instead our culture became so sexcentric it trains you to get good at quickly meeting new people. Charming them with a mask. And jumping in too fast without a genuine developed connection.

      That's a bad habit to have if you want real love in your life.

      For both guys and girls. Sex without love is fun. But it is putting you on a path that I've tons of people come to regret.

      [–]Ermgotthis 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      That's a sad wall of text you just wrote, OP. Sad chicks get lied to by society as much as we are, and just waist their life on this...

      [–]1Galatre 16 points17 points  (2 children)

      Men can change while women can't go back in time, it is sad.

      I have believed for a long time that feminists/Marxists try their hardest to convince young girls to slut it up before they are mature enough to foresee the consequences. Once they have blood on their hands, so to speak, they know there is no going back and these girls will be one of them and an agent for their cause.

      It should be no surprise to anyone that progressive politics is so popular among women who hate the word 'slut".

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        [–]analredemption12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The jury isn't out on that one yet. There are a lot of different views on this sub about how much agency women really have. The opinion I've come to agree with most is that women are indeed capable of thinking for themselves, but few choose to do so. Part of the blame rests on them and part of it rests on society for not creating boundaries for them.

        [–]Ermgotthis -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

        Yeah, sure, whatever you say, dude.

        [–]HardBounce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And when it all boils down you gonna find in the end a bitch is a bitch, but a Dogg is a man's best friend So what you found you a hoe that you like But you can't make a hoe a housewife

        [–]StenbergTom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Lurker here with a question on the subject. Do you think it is possible to build this strong bond once again if you go back to an ex-girlfriend who lost her virginity to you in an LTR before riding the CC? Or is the connection forever lost due to too many rides?

        [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I see your point. I don't know.

        Is it possible? sure it's possible, but I'd say it depends on how hard she rode the CC. I think there's a big difference between girls who have a 10-20 notch count and those with 100+. Very different mentality.

        [–]AdamantPanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Solid post, serious sluts are a bit like junkies in that way. I almost feel bad for them

        [–]ewokt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Did anyone else read the title in Seinfeld's voice?

        [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It crossed my mind as well

        [–]chadchadington 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I sometimes feel jaded reading stories like this thinking "Well, if AWALT given the right context then...fuck it." Game em', use em' lose em'...next. What's the point?

        I'll build something great to help mankind. I'll fuck sluts on the side but deep down wish I never woke up to the reality of RP. Never content. Always pushing my limits. I'll be happy but I don't feel I'll ever confide in a woman even if in an LTR. Melancholy.

        Maybe I still have much to learn.

        [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When we say "AWALT," it's important to keep in mind what AWALT means.

        IT doesn't mean that every girl is a used up slut.

        It means that every girl is hypergamous, that every girl is capable of branch-swinging, that every girl wants her AF and her BB.

        But that doesn't mean that none of them are LTR material.

        [–]8251771528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        beautiful read.

        recently i only have negative things to say about this sub and where it goes. but posts like that..

        [–]BomptonBrotha88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Also if she fucked you within the first 3 hours of meeting you she's a slut. that's the biggest tell imho.

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          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          You should be biased towards genders, because they're entirely different. Our physical bodies don't only differ on the outside, we're mentally wired differently as well.

          While men pair-bond as well, their mechanism isn't affected the same way that it is for men. Men, for example, regret missing chances for sex far more than women, whereas women regret ONS much, much more.

          [–]the_outrider 0 points1 point  (6 children)

          Thanks, OP, for inspiring me to read your post every morning for as long as it takes. You see, I have two daughters, and you've helped me realize that they will share the same fate as that poor girl unless I do something to stop it. Thank you for the enlightenment, and I'm sorry for your loneliness.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          I'm not lonely at all. I'm having a great time.

          I'm glad that it could be useful to you.

          I'm no parent but I don't think forbidding is very useful. They will just wait until you're out of sight. I think most parents are hesitant to talk about sex with their kids and relationships in a real meaningful way. I think if they have an understanding of these things and an ongoing dialogue with their parents about it, it can go a long way.

          But as I said I'm not a parent.

          [–]the_outrider -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

          I'm not talking about forbidding. I'm talking about raising two confident girls loved by their father to prevent them from becoming plates ten years down the line. And I pray you never become a parent so that you won't create little dicks that perpetuate the lonely, selfish cycle of pumping and dumping broken and ignored little girls starving for misplaced attention from their father.

          Have fun while it lasts before either the STDs get you or before you go insane from the guilt after you pay a doctor to 'take care' of a plate's 'accident' at your nearest Planned Parenthood. We ARE talking about sex after all...you know, that thing people do to make babies.

          Anyways best of luck to you and your future slut encounters. I hope they make you feel like the man that your father could never be for you.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Oh my mistake I thought this was a real dialogue. If you just want to be a smug twat, you could do a lot better than that, that shit was weak. There's other low hanging fruit you totally missed. You remembered to imply I'm insecure, but you forgot to specifically imply that I have a small dick. You're asleep at the wheel man.

          [–]the_outrider -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          Look, guys have daddy issues, too. And I'm pretty sure it's 100% of the people here that post these silly field reports. Sorry I snapped on you. But I do get sick of reading the same "look how slutty women can be" posts.

          Your's was different in that you REALLY took the time to exploit this specific future plate's shit of a soul. However, this girl is a REAL human being, man. Take it easy. She just wants what you secretly want. So calm down. Imagine her writing the same post through HER eyes about YOU. It'd be the same exact motivation for casual sex, same family background, you name it. So what point are you trying to prove to the rest of your audience?

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You have a lot of hangups that you're projecting onto me. I don't think she has a shit soul, I never implied that she's not a human being, and I haven't done anything that's in any way harmful to her. I don't think she's a bad person. I like her, and I'll keep spending time with her. But I also have to be realistic about myself about what to expect from her.

          What I said, quite specifically, is that I don't think she's LTR material. And my reasons for saying this aren't neither uniquely mine, nor are the particularly controversial. They're true, there is a lot of data to back this up.

          There's more to be said about the fact that you feel so comfortable casting judgement on me, assuming a whole lot of awful shit about me because I wrote a fairly tame field report. What was the point of this petty shit you said? You think you're going to hurt my feelings because you're mad about my opinion? Christ.

          So what point are you trying to prove to the rest of your audience?

          A lot of guys don't have the experience necessary to know how taking home a girl like this feels so fundamentally different, why it feels different, and why it matters. I'm willing to bet that you yourself don't, or else you wouldn't have gotten your panties in such a bunch about it.

          [–]the_outrider -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Alright, I see your points. I was once like you, man, doing the same shit. It gets old, for many reasons. Anyways I'm not really here to tickle your pickle, I got off topic. I was originally here to thank you for motivating me to raise two daughters who will not be your plates in a few years. Now.. I leave here hoping your future daughters ride the CC and get pounded as hard as you pound your plates. And I hope the boys give your girls the same sliver of dignity that you show to your plates. Cause that's what makes everything okay.

          You reap what you sow, bro. Be careful out there.

          [–]Broseidon241 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          FYI your "gut"is easily manipulated. Many white people get "gut"feelings about young black men, but only because they see them so much in the news. People derive their gut feelings from what they watch at least as much as from what they experience. And even then, to think that your "lived experience"makes you a master of making predictions about the outer world is beyond presumptuous.

          Gut reactions are good if they are consciously trained.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You're right. In this case I have been trying to consciously train it.

          I'm not always right, but about this kind of thing I usually am.

          [–]throwyourfaceawaybro -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          On the pair bonding issue: I know this is backed up by science, but what is TRP's consensus on what number it becomes impossible for a woman to pair bond? I'm guessing 2 or 3?

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Seems like there's a heavy dropoff after 4 partners. Personally, that's just about my personal limit.

          [–]myrealitie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          This is not backed up by science. Just look for signs the girl is really into you. Even a girl with a high partner count will appear "innocent" with you if she is sufficiently moved, because she'll feel shy and nervous.

          [–]Jake0024 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          No women were more determinedly loyal to me than the girls I was with who were virgins. None were less loyal than the girls for whom I was number... who even knows

          This should all be very obvious if you just look at the basic ideas of "one-itis," plates, orbits, etc.

          [–]myrealitie -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          She didn't bond to you because... wait for it... you didn't bond! You had sex.

          Even if their was truth to your hypothesis (and there is no good empirical evidence of this), your story does absolutely zero to support it logically.

          A more likely hypothesis is that some women have bonding problems (attachment issues maybe) and therefore have a lot of casual sex. It looks like you found one.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          A more likely hypothesis is that some women have bonding problems (attachment issues maybe) and therefore have a lot of casual sex

          I'm not discounting this as possibly being part of it. I did note that this kind of girl usually doesn't have a father at home.

          [–]UnderTheShills -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Your outlook on this puts you in the same category as her. You are only using her for sex/gratification, she is using you for sex/gratification.

          If youre not careful in 10 years you could be in a similar situation as her.

          [–]1runnerrun2 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          This sounds a tad extreme. She's likely to have been a whore at some point (to pay for coke addiction or because she was abused as a child or something). That's why everything is so routine for her and why she doesn't get into it. She had to learn to treat sex like this.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I didn't have the impression at all that she had been a prostitute. Seems really unlikely. She still lives with her family.

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            [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

            Do you think I shamed the girl in my story, or described her as a bad person?

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              [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              Do you think there is no difference between men and women in terms of their sexual nature?

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                [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                You're not being downvoted becuase you disagree, you're being downvoted because you're talking like a dick. Also it's clear that you really really like the word hamster, you've made that crystal clear.

                I agree that monogamy is not natural. I won't argue with that at all.

                But it's not true that men and women are the same. There is a lot of research to back this up. This was posted elsewhere in this thread . Give it a read. Men and women have different thoughts about sex, different sexual goals. It's purely ideological to suggest that we are identical. You, like most of us, it seems were raised being taught that men and women are equal to the point of being identical. We are fundamentally different down to the structuring of our brains. There are hardwired differences between the genders which are not socially constructed, and those differences express themselves in very real ways.

                Cognitive dissonance requires me to simultaneously hold two incompatible viewpoints. There is no incompatible viewpoint here. The viewpoint is that men are different from women, and this affects their sexual behavior. If you had a sense of irony, you would realize how silly it is to argue with this.

                You've subscribed to an ideology (whatever your personal ideology is) which causes you to find statements of fact to be offensive, and as a result you're projecting a lot of bullshit nonsense onto me. When we're talking about sluts, we don't think they're bad people. At least I don't. I wrote that specifically in the post. We're saying they're not LTR material. And again, this isn't my opinion. This is the reality of the situation. Go look up the correlation between divorce rate and number of sexual partner's a woman has had, and then go look up who are the ones initiating the divorces.

                [–]riverraider69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Monogamy is not natural.

                That's very doubtful. A human child is absolutely helpless for 4-5 years, and far from being independent for about 12. Taking into account early death, a woman before modern times would have to give birth to at least 4-5 children. Raising them alone is impossible, therefore pair bonding is natural. I doubt we've ever gotten close to absolute monogamy, but that's not what OP was talking about anyways.

                Women want to sleep with multiple guys. Guys want to sleep with multiple women.

                So they do, but that's not what OP asked. Differences are many, both obvious and subtle. If you're curious ask, I don't mind talking about it as long as there's interest.

                Without directly insulting her, you are portraying her in a bad light and implying that she is not worthy of a relationship due to enjoying sex with more than one partner.

                Not exactly "not worthy", more like "not worth it". It's not a question of her value as a person. If anything, her being a "slut" means she is better then average. But getting into a LTR requires a certain amount of vulnerability and ability to become dependent on somebody else. Not having those defects means the relationship is less likely to be successful.

                Wow, it's just like arguing with the SJWs: As soon as I own them logically, they stop responding. Then, every post I've ever made suddenly gets one downvote.

                I... apologize if that is true. And I do admit we have more then a fair share of groupthink here. Not particularly happy about it either.