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[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 304 points305 points  (42 children)

It always bothers me when a man's maturity is measured by how much time and money he spends on a woman.

Since when is betting high on an extremely volatile investment a mature or sane thing to do?

[–]Robdogx9001 113 points114 points  (3 children)

I think the problem is we are letting women be the judges of manlyness and maturity.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It's a classic case of letting the fish advise the fisherman.

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Women and Blue Pill men.

A woman says to invest in women, of course, because she profits from that arrangement. Vagina + entitlement = free money and commitment.

A BP man believes that if you invest in women, you'll get your ROI in True Love and a reasonable amount of sex.

An RP man knows that you can get all the good stuff without having to pay so much for it, if you can just be the right kind of guy who knows have to navigate the system.

I guess in a way, TRP is like insider trading in the SMP.

No wonder everyone hates us so much.

[–]Hoodwink 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The insider trading analogy is on point.

There's the redpill meme that women want a 'natural' alpha and not some man told how to act. And they all hate on PUA and redpill like it's some 'trick' or something.

It also makes sense in that they're genuinely acting to sell to the highest bidder and don't want to get fooled by someone following a playbook. I would give advice to women if they asked and seemed genuinely looking for advice and taking it rather than just looking for validation. But women are the exact opposite - they'll tell you truth only if you already know it or act like it. If you're coming from a genuine place, you're only getting lies.

[–]LeGrandDiableBlanc 24 points25 points  (9 children)

This is really funny! I just berated a guy in askTRP for acting like a child in terms of investing too much time and energy into a women who clearly wasn't into him. He was planning out the most pathetic 'scheme' to try and win her over, and needed some medicine.

Maturity (the real kind) itself is essentially being selective with where you invest your time and energy, taking care to invest when necessary and scale it back when not.

So how do these shaming idiots get around this fact? They literally have to twist the definition of maturity to the point of breaking it into some pseudo indentured servitude.

[–]Iramohs 37 points38 points  (8 children)

I'm 22, about to graduate from school with a bachelor's in Computer Engineering. Yet I was called immature because I live at home instead of in dorms. Apparently saving $10,000 on student housing isn't what a financially responsible person would do.

[–]PokeChopSandwiches 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Fuck em. I'm 32. I would KILL to be able to go back in time and make financial decisions like that. Cars, partying, toys, drugs, I have fucked myself so bad. Am I broke? No I make close to 6 figures and live ok. But I should already have a hundred thousand or more stashed away and I don't. Not even close. If I lost my job I would be broke in 6 months. I spent money like a fucking moron, every raise or bonus was a new car. Seriously. G35, M3, S4, Challenger SRT, Golf R, Z06, and more. Within a decade. Lost my ass on all of them. Pulled my head out of my ass at 30, but I have NOTHING to show for basically a decade of work.

At 22 most people in your peer group are morons. They may be academically intelligent, but as for the way life works, they are morons. Your attitude is far beyond your years, and it took me a decade of stupidity to learn the lesson you already know.

You are on the right track. Keep it up.

[–]last_to_know 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just curious which of the cars you bought you enjoyed or liked the most?

[–]PokeChopSandwiches 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ah man thats a tough one. Each one had a special place in my heart, and each one had things I didn't like. The best one for driving long distances and for getting crazy attention was the 392 Challenger, it turned heads and drew comments non stop. The best one for around town driving and track use was the DTM S4.

Not only did I buy all these stupid cars I modified most of them. The custom forged wheels alone for the Challenger were 8 grand. Retarded. Absolutely retarded decisions with my money.

[–]last_to_know 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow $8k for rims? That is crazy! They do look really nice though, and I'm not usually a fan of domestics. I'm considering an S4 for my next car. I'm currently driving an older Spec-V Sentra as I decided to use my money for the downpayment on a condo instead of a new car :(

[–]ch0dey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you find yourself opting for used vehicles now? My brother is super into cars, dropped $35k on a fancy ass Subaru WRX or whatever a few years back and sold it because he's sick of gigantic car payments.

[–]idrivesmallcars 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You can take people's opinions more seriously when opinions pay the bills.

[–]foulplay2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good on you. I graduated college with a comp sci degree and lived at home for ~3 years after (I started out making ~$65k, a decent amount for my area). By the time I was ready to move out I had saved around $100k. Now I'm 28 and have no mortgage or car payment.

[–]Strongbhoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I graduated, 80% of recent college grads were living at home at the time due to the job market, student debt and many other things.

It was the smartest thing I had done at the time was to move back, save money, get a job, keep my investments rolling without spending the money I made off of them while applying to grad schools and figuring out the next step I wanted to take in life.

One thing I've always pushed for more in education is what a friend of mine called "common sense class" that would give students some realization of what they can do in the future, since I feel in my generation, and the future ones to come parents shield their children way too much, and all of a sudden they are out of college and have no idea what they want to do, or what a 401K or IRA is, how to use it, how to set a budget.

Hell, some don't know how to get or use a checking account. This is basic shit that helps EVERYONE.

You are making the right decision.

[–]apackofwankers 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Its worth remembering that society itself, not just women, has an interest in encouraging reproduction.

If men are choosing not to reproduce, then you can expect "society" and "the state" to respond in various ways to that choice - its a matter of survival. Peter Pan shaming is one such response. You can expect more.

If the dont-marry movement takes off, it needs to have a bottom line - the terms under which it might comply, marry and reproduce.

So, here is a thought experiment - under what terms and conditions would you be willing to marry and reproduce?

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 7 points8 points  (8 children)

So, here is a thought experiment - under what terms and conditions would you be willing to marry and reproduce?

If I met a woman worth marrying and reproducing with.

Which is a problem, because

a) this breed of woman is becoming increasingly scarce in the Western world, and

b) even if I do find such a unicorn, how do I know she won't morph into an angry, bitter cunt later in life when she gets bored of the stability of marriage, and then takes half my shit?

[–]apackofwankers 3 points4 points  (6 children)

So your bottom line is:

  1. Woman wont morph into an angry, bitter cunt
  2. Woman wont take half your shit

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Pretty much sums it up.

I can account for the former by not marrying, because I will at least be free to be leave if that does happen.

I can account for the latter by the same means - assuming we're not in a common law state, we can mutually leave without anyone having to pay the other.

Which is why we here at TRP advocate for not marrying. There's simply nothing to gain and everything to lose. You can commit to someone without it.

Of course, it becomes more difficult if you want to have kids, but I guess that's a whole 'nother can of worms...

[–]apackofwankers 2 points3 points  (4 children)

So, assuming you could write a "marriage contract" that overrode the state's conditions, including the terms of dissolution, what would that contract include?

Here is my first stab at it:

  1. In a divorce, a woman will get the lesser of half your stuff, or roughly what she would have expected to earn had she not given up her career. Marriage should not be a way for women to profit from men's success, except for the benefit of remaining married.
  2. Alimony equivalent to severance pay and unemployment benefits, i.e. X amount per year of marriage, plus Y amount of monthly benefits
  3. Automatic presumption of joint custody of any children
  4. Penalty clauses for breaking wedding vows, including refusing sex

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why would you agree to these terms?

What do you win from offering her money?

[–]apackofwankers 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Marriage is a risk also for women.

They marry you, presumably somewhere near the peak of their attractiveness, and in the case of a divorce, they have a lower chance of finding a new provider and are probably unemployable.

Finding someone to take on the role of full-time wife and mother is a negotiation.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If we're looking at this from a pure negotiation standpoint, and you're trying to get the best deal for you personally, I think you're overbidding.

[–]apackofwankers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe so, but the intent is to offer a relatively gentle transition back into the real world.

[–]sweetleef 1 point2 points  (0 children)

b) even if I do find such a unicorn, how do I know she won't morph into an angry, bitter cunt later in life when she gets bored of the stability of marriage, and then takes half my shit?

It's not a question of morphing, but rather of removing the disguise.

The loving, sexual, supportive act is an enticement to commit. Once the committment has been made and exit is difficult or impossible, there's no longer a need to pretend they're not angry, bitter cunts.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its worth remembering that society itself, not just women, has an interest in encouraging reproduction.

I actually think the current culture actually discourages reproduction pretty well. Or at least, as much as it can for men. For women, babies are a bonanza.

[–]kingofcrob 6 points7 points  (5 children)

bingo, that why i invest in hookers

[–]LoyalLuBu 22 points23 points  (4 children)

That's consumption, not investment.

[–]kingofcrob 27 points28 points  (1 child)

true, unless I become a pimp

[–]Sylentwolf8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if he gets an amazing ROI?

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    [–]NakedAndBehindYou 25 points26 points  (1 child)

    The hypocrisy is that the same older women who criticize men for dating younger women are the women who dated older men when they were younger.

    [–]tobedwithoutsupper 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Those grapes I can't reach anymore have probably gone sour anyway.

    [–]Newdist2 41 points42 points  (14 children)

    The go-to insult for that is "pedo".

    [–]TheRealMewt 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    And my go-to comeback for this kind of accusation is not trying to talk facts to an idiot.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 17 points18 points  (7 children)

    I get that on reddit, because I like girls half my age, and that happens to be about the same age as my kids, 18-28, and last I checked 18 year olds are not young enough for a pedo to get off. Im 45 and I have little use for bitches close to my age.

    [–]down_with_whomever 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    The more I swallow the pill, the more my tastes have changed to younger women.

    [–]md619 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Your tastes didn't change. Your perception of them did

    [–]TRP_Throwaway1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    That really struck a cord with me.

    Pretty heavy.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    The old bitches around here make it really easy to ignore them.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's not your tast that changed, but that you are finaly able to admit to yourself, that you prefere perky teen tits over baggy sacks of loose skin.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The same with me for this - I had always liked them (I've always had a penchant for 19 year olds), but I remember telling a 20 year old plate that she was "too young" right around the time I discovered the Redpill, before her I had been dating a 29 year old surgeon - within a few months I wouldn't touch anyone over 25.

    [–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I know I'd be similar to you at your age... but at my age, it's a valid strategy to play dirty and call you a pedo if we are going after the same girl. People know the truths; they just say whatever they need to say to benefit themselves.

    [–]rebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    "cradle robber" is a personal favorite as most women are glorified toddlers

    [–]Ubiquitous_Cacophony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I like responding with, "Nah, they just have a thing for picking up guys at the geriatric ward" with a smirk and laugh it off.

    [–]oldmanwho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "true, i do some times go by my lesser title, lord cradle baron."

    rob? not stealing what was always mine.

    [–]sweetleef 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    And the go-to reply is "jealous".

    [–]tindern00b 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    also, I cant stand saggy tits or a vagina wide as a truck

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    But those saggy tits chose you for marriage! It doesn't matter what they've done in the past!

    [–]rporion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yes, you really are getting the best she had to offer.

    Cellulite, stretch marks and emotional baggage that could sink a battle ship.

    [–]advancedminimal 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    One of the fears my last LTR girl had when we broke up was "you're just going to go after 20 years olds!" like I was some disgusting pig. She definitely cited it as immaturity on my part, and scoffed at the idea that I would find younger women more attractive (she was 30 and hitting the wall).

    I think the wall plays a part in this, as it makes a woman fully confront the fact that she is not in her prime anymore. It's the man's fault, of course. He's an immature idiot for being sexually attracted to younger women.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I think it's a bit of jealousy mixed with solipsism - in the girl's mind, status is conferred by experience, age and career - even though a baseline part of her knows that younger girls are hotter than older and she's used up by 30.

    If you're fucking around with college girls - why would you be going after such trash anyway, when you can have a Real Woman (TM)

    [–]Dark_Shroud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    For a women to stay good looking past her prime requires serious dedicated exercise and a strict diet. Even then around 40 some boob work will probably be needed. Most of them are not willing to put in the work.

    [–]untrustworthyadvice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Men are attracted to Women who are more fertile so naturally everyone is peterpanning a little.

    [–]le_king_falcon 53 points54 points  (0 children)

    Why be "mature" if all you get is a life of female oriented drudgery and nagging?

    Just look at the haunts of middle class retirees and you'll see the sheer misery and disappointment of those men who've been "mature."

    I had my first real "glitch in the matrix" moment post TRP discovery in a garden centre with the then LTR. I was thoroughly hating life and looked around to see men who'd spent their entire life working towards their retirement look as miserable as I was. I thought "Jesus Christ I don't want to end up like them," guys being dragged around a garden centre to look at overpriced shit they don't want, and don't need. All so the Mrs can coo over ways to spend money on frivolous trinkets to increase her social status.

    Divorce has always scared me because of the financial consequences, however nothing has made me run away from marriage quite like the looks of defeat on those men's faces. A lifetimes work to be nothing more than a social status accessory and wallet. Not for me, no thank you.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 32 points33 points  (3 children)

    This is simple shaming tactics.

    We all know that the Patriarchy has died and Marriage 2.0 no longer is a wise investment so the Peter Pan thing is a smokescreen to cover the truth.

    • Red Pill exposes the ACTUAL truth of our current condition.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    Follow up on my own post:

    Feminism is Cultural Marxism.

    • Their strategy is to say the OPPOSITE of the truth. (yes, create lies)

    So we here on Red Pill recognize that these feminized Beta Bucks males never mature until it's too late and they get divorce raped.

    Red Pill actually wants men to REALLY mature and become wise and hopefully prevent more victims.

    Our philosophies are exactly the opposite because our goals work opposite of each other.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Was on another post talking about the artificial nature of our online reality.

    The underlying message of the Peter Pan myth is to NEVER UNPLUG.

    By accepting the narrative that anyone who does not conform to the Feminine Imperative is "immature" it reinforces the ability of the Matrix to control you.

    The Peter Pan myth is saying:

    "Everything is fine. You are just frightened about accepting your fate. Don't change course, there is no reason to unplug because this is okay. Do not question the rules of marriage. Do not pay attention to the divorce rapes. You will finally be loved just as all the romantic movies say you will be if you can just believe."

    [–]redbluepilling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maturity: Development to a point where substantial growth no longer takes place.

    The cessation of growth and development. By this definition, surrendering to modern marriage and the narrative of 'this is how it's supposed to be', never questioning it, is indeed maturity. In that sense, men are best served to be perpetually immature, continually gaining experience and wisdom. We find maturity in death.

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      [–]razikain 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      I hope so too with video games, because they're not like they used to be back in the Atari days. They're more mature than watching TV, that's for sure...way more thought processes and action going on.

      Among my parents, my dad is the one with most aversion towards video games (though he likes to play some casual stuff once in a while), and guess who's the one who sometimes say that I need to "grow up, stop playing those video games, and find a goal in life"? Yep, my mom. Yet when she's home and with free time, she's either with her ass in front of TV or browsing Facebook, and so does my father. My younger brother stays in front of TV most of the day, and yet I've never heard her out on his ass criticizing him. My mother needs to remember that the 90's are over, video games are completely valid entertainment for all ages for a decade or so now.

      [–]Lytalm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I see life, as whole, being a game. Then why would women thinks it's bad to play video game if everything is a game?

      [–]ShinyBrah 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I'd like to take up skateboarding, how can I start man?

      It's funny, the same people that did skateboarding and video games immature usually spend all hours watching reality TV, learning and doing nothing

      [–]GingerHamLincoln 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I'd

      If you wanna start skateboarding, I'd first decide what you feel you would like. There are long boards that allow you to coast down hills and are generally easier to coast around on, but are bigger than traditional skateboards(there are shorter ones, which i prefer as I feel they carve better, but each there own). If you like snowboarding, I'd recommend these as its like snowboarding on pavement.

      The normal skateboards are good overall. You can ride around with them, but cracks in the sidewalk can be a bitch. The biggest benefit is you can learn to do all the cool skateboard tricks that you played in tony hawk pro skater. It does take a lot of practice especially to ollie, but it's a lot of fun when you nail that one trick you have been working your ass on.

      So pick a board, and just go out and practice. Youtube will probably be your greatest help.

      [–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Skateboarding is a much better example than OP's hula hooping (WTF?). Snowboarding is probably another good one.

      [–]sanelity 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      Thanks for this post. Solid data, good analysis.

      Women have to play the Peter Pan card. The alternative is too painful to acknowledge - that men are just finding better things to do than chase women.

      [–]strps 39 points40 points  (3 children)

      These are the sort of posts that keep me in this sub. The reason non-committal males are vilified is exactly what you describe: they are not willing to submit to the feminine prerogative for mating and refuse to fall into service of the mother. Men will always be boys if they choose to ignore this, as this service to society is one of the most socially definitive ways that a male can prove himself a man. It reminds me of an awesome post made to a dead sub which is now archived here on the subject of why boys have to work to become men whereas girls become women by biological default (with fertility as the measure).

      Outside of war there is no other option for manhood defined by society (not even overwhelming success does it, think of the villainous George Clooney), and I would like to point out that it is not only women, but other men who perpetuate this definition of manhood. And you can guess who it is, the men who insist that theirs is the standard for manhood, they are the men who took the bait. Historically, and up to the present, you could not for example hope to be the president of the US if you were unmarried. This says it all. We do not trust males who do not commit to society by reproducing and demonstrating that they can provide for those young to lead. Ten bucks says it would be easier for an unmarried woman to take office than an unmarried man, but that's just my speculation on how gender politics works these days: women are not constrained by tradition to the degree that men are, women are allowed much more freedom in terms of defining themselves, and are not expected to maintain social order via traditional roles to the degree that men (by definition) are.

      If that is what maturity is then I am content to remain a boy, even though I have and raise one by myself. I would be happy for him to remain one as well, if it means he can discover what he wishes his life to be and pursue it with real passion.

      [–]chillmonkey88 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      I find your sentiment sort of eye opening on why mgtow is shunned for being "neck beard losers who can't get laid". Like the opposite of women saying "I just want a nice guy" then collects orbiter betas that chase her and she chases asshole funny/cocky alphas...

      That thing I'm talking about is, if (x-male social trait) does or doesn't help women. Women adapt very quickly to cultivate and harvest more... or exterminate and force extinction on it.

      It's like if you do something and receive praise from women... stop doing it. If you do something and women scold you on grounds of not being a man... continue doing it. (Pua for example... women hate the idea of artificial alphas)

      I'm going to pay more attention to culturally biased attacks on men.

      [–]the99percent1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Julia Gillard was unmarried when she took office as Prime Minister of Australia. So you are definitely onto something here.

      And I would say the way to get around this maturity thing as a male is to adopt a kid. That should shut most up.

      [–]1User-31f64a4e 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      So I should tie myself down raising the spawn of some other dude so women and society will accept me?

      You might be right that they would, but fuck that!

      [–]GuitarHero07 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Women are NOT the primary breadwinners in the vast majority of 2 parent households. They are the "primary breadwinner" in 40+ percent of households but most of those households are single mother homes. Of course there is no data on how much welfare, alimony and child support these "breadwinners" are collecting.

      [–]tsotha 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      It is not uncommon to walk into the hottest new West Village bistro on a Saturday night and find five smartly dressed young women dining together—the nearest man the waiter. Income equality, or superiority, for women muddles the old, male-dominated dating structure.

      Yeah... smartly dressed in clothes they put on the card. The men aren't there in a lot of cases because they're at work.

      The funny thing is the best dressed guys in the joint are either established middle-aged men looking for younger women or young men without a penny to their name who are trying to signal wealth so they can get laid.

      Me, I'd rather have holes drilled in my skull than spend a precious Saturday night at "the hottest new West Village bistro", women or no women.

      [–]MyFirstOtherAccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      If someone says "the hottest new West Village bistro" the first thing I will think is "Oh please god lets not go there"

      [–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Me, I'd rather have holes drilled in my skull than spend a precious Saturday night at "the hottest new West Village bistro", women or no women.

      Likewise. Even if I could afford that sort of place, it simply doesn't appeal to me. Why should I feign interest in eating and drinking in swanky joints just to impress women?

      [–]iota271 69 points70 points  (46 children)

      Oh man, that videogames part really pissed me off. I hear people saying vidya is childish all the time and I cringe internally.

      So suppose some girl sees your game console or your PC and says "oh, no. You play video games. Your dick isn't going anywhere near me now, you're a loooooser." I've seen all of my friends fall victim to this, they start spilling spaghetti and saying "b-b-buh I only used to play them, I q-q-quit..." That's a shit test in itself, and they failed.

      The trick is to own it. If you just don't give a shit, and say "Yeah, they're fun. I play them in my off time when there's not much else to do." With no ass covering, no excuses, just truth, then you won't look like an insecure child.

      [–]Hasmond 36 points37 points  (1 child)

      All the replies you got are basically guys trying to defend their actions. Note; THIS IS NOT HOW YOU HANDLE A SHIT TEST, YOU EITHER IGNORE OR AMPLIFY. Either don't give a fuck that she said it or amplify; "Yeah I'm a loser who plays video games, that's why you fell for me ;P". Don't try to defend your hobby.

      [–]macguffin22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I usually say " I do what I want". It's worked well so far.

      [–]MyFirstOtherAccount 22 points23 points  (2 children)

      I just think it's silly that people ask how you can waste hours on video games and then turn around and watch things like real house wives or use facebook for hours.

      [–]RPDBF 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Truest words, my mom always says when you going to grow out of playing those games, while she's sitting there watching 3 hours straight of reality TV.... Hell at less Im interacting with my friends in online games

      [–]jmg83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Tell her, then. If she tries to argue that it's different, ask her how is it different.

      [–]culofiesta 23 points24 points  (0 children)

      that videogames part really pissed me off.

      People that say this are the same people that like to debate Miley Cyrus' impact on feminism and think Twilight and Hunger Games are good books for adults.

      [–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 2 points3 points  (8 children)

      Reminds me of a while back when I had a girl over. It was actually the first time I had sex with her.

      We finished sex and right after we were done, worrying that she might get the wrong signal and she might catch feelings, I needed a way to get out of bed asap to avoid having to cuddle. I told here I was bored so I started playing video games while she stayed alone in bed. Maybe it was also the fact that sex had me feeling extra competitive, and I wanted to beat someone online. But it never did anything against me as I kept the fling going for a good while afterwards.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Second wife enjoyed the challenge of getting me off orally while I played FPS on my PC. My KDR went to shit when she did it. Lately I'm too busy to game, but occasionally I will kill something with my youngest brother.

      [–]aakksshhaayy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Do you also play video games with him?

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      I once very drunkenly played a Zelda game in the middle of sex.

      At one point she basically forced me to turn it off so I would have sex with her again.

      [–]Elodrian 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I once joined my WoW guild for an Icecrown Citadel raid at 5am (wonky time zones in Asia) while trying to play with one arm pinned under a sleeping Filipina girl. It went about as well as you might expect.

      [–]blackxhawk69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Nothing like some battlegrounds and a blowjob

      [–]the_number_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My parents used to tell me I was spending too much time playing games. This is ignoring the fact that I was regularly out of the house 5 nights per week with pool leagues, karaoke nights, pub trivia, etc.

      Yes, I'm playing a game on a Sunday night because I'm not going out tonight. I have work in the morning. I find more entertainment in a few hours of gaming than what you're doing, which is sitting on the couch watching TV. At least what I'm doing takes involvement on my part.

      [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The chick im banging right now plays games and is a hairdresser who works out every day. Her face isn't the sexiest on a woman out there, but her body puts most to shame. We've went snowboarding, had some beers, she pays for stuff, I pay for stuff, she's pretty fun in the bed, can't complain. I haven't played games with her though because I don't want it to devolve into something I do frequently with my buddies.

      [–]DexiAntoniu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I played the Mass Effect series, ended in a science rabbit hole and a philosophical one, it made me wonder, it made me ponder, it made me speculate on definitions of life, complexity of our universe, irrelevancy of each individual's existence.

      I came out with knowledge in cosmology, Kantian, Nietzchian philosophy, Lovecraftian horror, new ideas, inspiration for my music and Sheperd is an alpha bad ass.

      Who would've thought?

      [–]ont_anon -1 points0 points  (7 children)

      I think it's because women are used to guys who'll loaf around the house playing their console for hours straight.

      I understand defending playing video games if they're played in discrete moderation, but it's a different story to justify it by saying "I played these as a kid and grew up with them so it's totally fine that I'm avoiding sunlight and other people by spending hours/day on something which, in the end, might be constructive to me in only the least measurable way as an adult."

      While I can appreciate the attempted comparison with the hula-hoop and texting, they're weak comparisons. I've never heard of anyone over the age of 21 who hula-hooped for hours a day, ignoring their significant other and social activities because they were "just blowing off steam" through the virtual world of hula-hooping. Who ONLY texts for hours straight, barely looking up from the screen to interact with others? 12 year old girls?

      Also, hula-hooping brings at least some physical results. Exercise and some vitamin D from the sun, since I presume it's being done outdoors. Can't say as much about video games (yes hand-eye coordination, yes "tactical thinking skills", yadda-yadda).

      But you're right in owning it either way:

      Her: "OMG, you play video games? Like, wtf?"

      You - with a wry smirk: "Yeah, I like to blow off steam for one or two hours a week. Got a problem with that?"

      Her: "I just hate guys that are stuck on their video games for hours a day."

      You: "Good thing I'm not one of those guys. Now, what are we drinking?"

      And if you DO play video games for hours on end each day, then own it just as you said - by not being sad & disappointed when the girls aren't beating a path to your bedroom. Accept the fact that this is the life you've chosen.

      Edit: formatting

      [–]theproudbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I dont play that much or any at all since unplugging but it has to do with the lack of improvement? That why they hate it? Cant find any other reason.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Girls hate it because it's competition for your attention, and they want your attention, validation, and commitment. Video games soak up hours you could be listening to her drone on about something useless and banal.

      [–]Zebleblic -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      You know most video games take 20-60 hours to complete? So that 1-2 hours a week is a joke.

      [–]IMissOsama 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      No, most video games take around 8 hours to complete. I can understand a game like Final Fantasy taking 20-60 hours, but most games don't take that long.

      [–]tallwheel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      The '90s called. They said they want their games back.

      Hell, even the few 8-hour games these days still entice the player constantly with side-quests, rankings, and achievements that make you feel like you're missing something if you skip them. When someone finds a game they particularly like, they can find ways to squeeze tens of hours more of play time out of them. And that's not even to mention online modes, which almost all games have nowadays, which can provide nearly limitless playtime for those who enjoy them.

      [–]MagnanimousGenius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Your typical AAA game would take that long, but I get the impression a lot of the guys in here are PC WoW gamers (based on the comments and the unecessary downvoting)

      [–]Zebleblic -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      [–]1User-31f64a4e 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      If we define grown up as compliant to the gynocracy then no, I have regressed substantially and am no longer a grownup.

      If we define grown up as self sufficient, then like most men I am more grown up than most women.

      Some other ways we can define "grown up", or maturity:

      • Self worth tied to internal standards instead of conformity and what everyone else thinks of you (advantage, men)
      • Emotional maturity (as in, behavior does not sway erratically due to emotions (advantage, men)
      • Clear understanding of cause and effect, leading to a responsible outlook (advantage, men)

      So really, women are the most responsible teenagers; men are the mature ones, whether or not they stick around and benefit women.

      [–]_BurritoWarrior_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      This article from the sidebar is also relevant to the subject of maturity, to any who haven't yet read it.

      [–]1TrainingTheBrain 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I read this yesterday and was surprised at how accurate it was.

      It reminded me of why I'm a part of this sub. I had been living like a man in all aspects of my life for years and at first TRP simply provided me with a sense of hope as it was the first time I realized that, There are actually other men who feel the same way. Outside of the military I have yet to meet a man and was giving up hope on ever finding a male outside of my son who I viewed with respect.

      This sub doesn't provide me with much in regards to how as I'm already on top of my game (though always looking to improve) as it does with the why.

      Figuring out why my wife and other women are the way they are has made it much easier to deal with them.

      This sub is full of solid resources such as the one you posted, we all need to take advantage of what to do with the knowledge.

      Read and apply.

      Edit: Spelling

      [–]1renzy77 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      In reality, a woman will always try to define male maturity as being ready to submit to marriage and serve as her provider.

      Pretty much sums it up. They want the litmus test for manhood to be: All the things women want from men.

      [–]iamnotfromtexas90 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Men make more than women, EVIL PATRIARCHY OPPRESSION!!! Women (supposedly) make more than men, men are forever boy losers who need to grow some balls and be a fucking man!!

      [–]allcapsisyelling 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      I wouldn't say I'm "suffering" from it.

      [–]BoyMeetsHarem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I wouldn't say I've been "missing" it, Bob.

      [–]1Padre55 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      IIRC, this is one of the code words for shaming men to man up and marry these sluts!

      Now as for the state of being for quality manhood, hell yeah, spread this far and wide, the hamster will spin in overdrive, which can only be a good thing.

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        [–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The married men who have these nice cars are men who held onto them after they settled with kids. It's thier last toy before going family mode.

        A 2 seater sports car then becomes a garaged item or his everyday work car due to the family impractical it is.

        [–]hohamocha 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Halo 4 had a plot that explored the concept of love between a human and AI, honor, duty as a soldier, and made us ponder the question of whether a soldier is more of a machine than an actual human being.

        Far Cry 4 explored the concept of what a nation should be and what its values should be. It also explored the importance of tradition vs new age liberal freedom. Throughout the game you were required to make choices and face consequences.

        Sex and the City explores the concept of everlasting fun and sex.

        I wonder which is more mature. Must be Sex and the City/s

        [–]2asd1100 24 points25 points  (11 children)

        I think modern men are imature, there really isn't a trial by fire anymore, nothing forces you to sink or swim.

        SOciety is gynocentric, i.e. all social roles and definitions are designed around the female prerogative. As a MGTOW, you really shouldn't be surprised or have this faux hypothesis of equality and equity.

        I find it quite naive to raise arguments such as income or gossiping when arguing maturity. These are subjective heuristic judgments that at best can imply a correlation to maturity, but have no actual causality. E.g. you don't judge a dolphin's intelligence based on it's ability to walk on land like other intelligent animals.

        [–]Lytalm 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        I agree. If today's society standard define being mature by taking unnecessary risks , I prefer being immature all my life!

        [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Well, society has always defined male maturity by their willingness to take risks. I agree, though, in today's world there's no reason I have to risk getting killed or maimed every day doing some physically demanding and risky job, so I'm not going to.

        [–]Lytalm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Life is a risk ; but there is calculated risk and stupid decisions...

        [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Then don't expect having a place at the big boy table. Don't expect respect or other people taking you seriously. It's a 2 headed issue: actions have consequences. You can usually do the hard thing and get the long term benefits or you can pick the easy way and never grow or progress.(maturity in a nutshell)

        [–]MyFirstOtherAccount 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I always just thought of maturity as being able to support yourself and/or others and having priorities. Just my two cents

        [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Maturity is a shich in gears from short term solipsism to big picture long term thinking and acting. It implies taking control of ones life and purposefully moving towards a desired outcome sometimes even despite yourself. TRP is basically forcing men to be more mature, more in contro and less reactive.

        [–]KJL13 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        And this comparison is moot because it compares men and women. What it really should compare is the modern man vs men from 20-50 years ago. If this comparison was made, we would likely see just what the Peter Pan is explaining, a general decrease in men's maturity.

        [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I really would argue modern men vs men from 400 to 500 years ago. Men became pussies once their job became bearable. Industrialisation made even betas capable of living and having children.

        [–]merkmerk73 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I look at my own life and agree with the Peter Pan thing.

        It isn't the same world - at least not in first world countries - that our parents and grandparents grew up in where they had to be men by 13 and work on the farm/factory.

        [–]Lytalm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Oh, don't misunderstand the situation. You have to become a man as soon as possible even today. If not, you're gonna get traped in that gynocentric world we are in, not knowking what is happening.

        Thing is, being a man is not exactly the same thing as it used to be.

        [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        They didn't have to be men by 13, but their actions started having conswquances earlier on than we do. And that shapes you if it happens before you fully mature.

        [–]MentORPHEUS 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        To those in their 20s and perhaps 30s, any accusation of being immature has more power to sting. Most often, I believe it's a thinly veiled complaint that they're perceived as limiting their earning potential, and made in the interests of the claimant, never the accused.

        Later in life, when many cohorts have become set in their ways and perhaps grumpy, maintaining a youthful perspective when appropriate (as opposed to ACTUALLY never really growing up) might become an attribute.

        One of the more insightful remarks about my personality came after a summer afternoon of playing with the step-grandkids in the kiddy pool and slip-n-slide, while their parents were lethargic with hangovers and Grandma was busy inside with grown-up talk all day. Over dinner, a 5 year old announced, "The thing about Mentorpheus is, he never said goodbye to his childhood self!"

        [–]cock_pussy_up 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Peter Pan needs to remember that while he was doing things he enjoyed doing for fun, saving money, and living within his means, the women around him were accumulating baggage. They were having sex with other men, having babies, having abortions, racking up debt paying for garbage degrees, and keeping up with the latest fashions. Now, Peter Pan, its time for you to step up to the plate and take care of all the baggage that you have nothing to do with. What's wrong with you, Peter Pan? You mean you'd rather do things that you enjoy and take care of yourself than deal with somebody else's garbage? You're immature and selfish, Peter Pan!

        [–]Labore_Et_Constantia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Not really, when you weigh the "value" of dating most women vs what you could be doing with your time/money/resources and energy, it simply isn't worth it, covered it here:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ARSWW5FBA

        [–]watersign 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Most women are loaded up with debt and are credit risks.

        [–]TheLordOfShit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Do females suffer from intolerable entitled princess syndrome? Yes. Just because men don't want to enable that doesn't make them manbabies.

        [–]brotherjustincrowe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This is how they try to guilt-trip you into paying full blue-book price for a lemon. Then they divorce rape you and get right back on OKStupid bitching about "where have all the REAL MEN gone??"

        [–]Abreseyes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I actually remember the shift in advertising in the UK when I was a teenager.They started to portray women as the sensible business types and men as buffoons.

        The typical plot would be the woman organising a dinner party probably for her work colleagues, and the man sent out to buy something important that had been forgotten.He instead comes back with Lego or lager.

        You only have to look at the front page of Reddit to see how these people have been manipulated.A generation of males in arrested development trying to impress others by being the biggest manchild.

        You can even see now how advertising has started to target post-wall women, drink this bottle of Prosecco and you'll no longer be old and lonely, you'll be like one of the women from Sex and the City.

        [–]the_red_scimitar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        This is a very well thought out, informative, and well written post, of actual value. Saved.

        [–]1Mikesapien 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The only kind of people who care whether something is "mature" or not are, themselves, immature. Frankly, it's childish to fixate on what is or is not childish.

        "Maturity" is a shit test. If your tastes actually change as you age, fine. But if you actively try to give up on the things you love because of how other people perceive them, you have earned mere microns of "respect" at the expense of your own happiness. You failed the shit test.

        [–]SWABteam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I think the true problem stems from you can't argue with idiots. I think it was George Carlin who said it, and idiot won't use logic, they will drag you down to their level.

        Women of the past few generations have been coddled by the system. Schools have given them higher marks, jobs have been given not on achievement but to full a quota. The result is a generation of women who have never had to form a coherent logical thought. The prettier and more successful ones are the worst. There is not arguing with these people, no debate. Don't even try. The only thing we can do is wait until these self entitled bitches end up old maids.

        Bottom line is keep your head down, don't get married, don't have kids. Don't let them shame you into it. I didn't find this sub soon enough and now I'm trapped. Don't be me.

        [–]TheRealMouseRat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Yes, this is all about shaming men for wanting to actually have fun. "Real men" don't have fun.

        [–]jessemfguire87 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I am a man child and I don't care what any feminist blogger says. I'll play video games till dawn. I'll drink beer and smoke weed with my brothers. And sometimes I'll chase ass. I have a great life.

        [–]calloberjig 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        | They Play Videogames

        Actually, when you take in to account farmsville and candy crush, women actually play more than men http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/more-women-are-now-playing-video-games-than-men-9736411.html

        [–]TreePlusTree 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Wow, this really made me feel good financially. I'm not rich at all, making $35k a year (still proud though, I was born into extreme poverty), but I've saved $25k these last 2 years at 25 years old. I've got like top 10% net worth, maybe better. Now I need to learn to invest.

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          [–]tenientj 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You keep going on about this exotic car bullshit that it's a reward for being frugal. Do you understand the per mile or per kilometre cost of such a vehicle? You don't buy one if these cars by saying up, you buy one of these cars when the full buyout price fits into the disposable portion of your monthly cash flow.

          [–]TreePlusTree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks man, although it sucks to hear people can be idiots and make 200k, jesus...

          [–]EurasianAesthetics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Ehh, in my case i've decided on the Peter Pan lifestyle. Fuck a mortgage and kids or marriage. I'm still here to have fun as a 26 year old male and am completely fine with that. Not to say i'm lazy, or play computer games - i'm just choosing to live life as a more free man and don't want to settle for one woman.

          [–]Stand_Your_Ground_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Right so when I was 17, BP and ignorant and thought that marrying and supporting a woman was the right thing to do I was responsible. And somehow by reading vast amounts on economics and literature as well as Redpill stuff I have become immature. right.

          Media can fuck off. I do what I want with my life and I'll do it damned well. Gaining knowledge and experience made me reject marriage as well as giving childish women free shit.

          Clearly, I'm not the one with the problem.

          [–]Lytalm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          This is the kind of post I like in TRP and why I keep subscribing... Oh wait it's MGTOW content... That explain why I agree!

          [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          Not entirely true. Young women in metropolitan areas DO out-earn young men.

          http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

          Of course, this is likely explained by the lopsided college enrollment statistics. Even a mediocre degree that requires a college degree out-earns a high school grad. Yes, these young women likely have more debt but they do have a legitimate concern when it comes to the younger demographic.

          You're totally correct that on average men out-earn women. As liberals like to bring up, women only make 0.77x as much as men. Of course, this is due to career choice and lifestyle and not discrimination but that's a whole different point.

          [–]1kick6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I disagree. I think it's totally true that men aren't growing up. I just think it's a rational response to incentives. Meaning: there is no incentive to growing up...just a long fucking list of disincentives. Why the hell would anyone do something detrimental (not to mention difficult) after they've watched everyone else who dared get shit on?

          The tactic of shaming men to get what they want no longer works. Enough men have realized it's a raw deal and checked out. If women want real "grown up" men, they need to put the prize back in that status.

          This all goes back to the concept of two different rulebooks. Women rewrote the rulebook for themselves, and simply assumed the men would continue to play by the old rules.

          [–]cascadecombo 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          White men 16+ outearn white women $896 to $733. White men 25+ outearn white women $951 to $767. White men 25-54 outearn white women $918 to $760. White men 55+ outearn white women $1,071 to $793.

          Where do these figures come from?

          This will come across as if I am trying to derail your post, i get it, but this basically confirms what all the feminists say about men earning much more. And if the study you used is the type I am thinking of it's misguiding.

          [–]TheLordOfShit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Females stop making money when they stop working when they get married/pregnant and have a sure-fire income from leeching off a man.

          [–]2jagrmeister721[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's linked to in the article: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm . More than happy to hear your critiques of the analysis. (on the other point- that it confirms what women claim is the so-called pay gap, first there's enough that exposes the 'pay gap' hypothesis. further, notice there is no winning with women. either they are "alpha women" and better than us OR they are victims in the patriarchy.)

          [–]cascadecombo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I'll read it now.

          I'm still very much convinced the 'pay gap' is something that women bitch about because they want equality for job title and not work done.

          Edit: yeah it says nothing about time worked or anything of that sort. Simply age and amount earned. Comparing baristas to people with corporate jobs.

          [–]JohnDavidsonR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The original propaganda of women making 71% of a man's pay also counted everyone...whether or not they were working.

          [–]Rougepellet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          So a man is immature if he doesnt want marriage or his woman outearns him. Outearning the woman is seen as oppression though. With feminism, women can do any high paying job a man can. Yet they always want a man who still outearns them.

          [–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I think some western governments tried this approach a few years back as a new form of white feather campaign. Unfortunately, by ignoring the cause of men pulling away from "traditional roles" the situation got worse

          This year, Denmark stated to run ad campaigns, telling to Danes to have more sex because the marriage strike had created a drought of babies. Yet, they continue to ignore the fact that the society is filled with misandry, so I think its doomed to fail as well.

          The entire situation has other implications, but it goes beyond the point of this thread

          [–]DreamBoatGuy25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think some western governments tried this approach a few years back as a new form of white feather campaign. Unfortunately, by ignoring the cause of men pulling away from "traditional roles" the situation got worse

          The hilarious part is that this is exactly what it is. And yet strangely the people who claim to be promoting an end to traditional gender roles are exactly the ones pissing and moaning that men aren't filling them.

          I mean the hypocrisy is astounding. Even the language is the same as we use. We say we want "real women" meaning we want feminine woman who fill the traditional female gender role. They say they want "real men" meaning men who have high paying jobs and high status positions in society and are willing to marry them and take care of them, which is the traditional male gender role.

          Feminists are as Red Pill as anyone else here, it's just that they selectively only apply it to men.

          [–]paracog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think that, just as women are feeling the freedom to achieve, earn and participate in ways they haven't before, many men are appreciating and using their freedom from being in harness.

          [–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Regarding one of the points made, the first girls of my agegroup I knew who left their parents houses either had rich parents or moved in with their older boyfriends. Some guys I know have been almost entirely subsidising their unemployed girlfriends. One girl I know was given free social housing at 16/17 because she told some council worker a load of crap about being in danger (she wasn't, apparently her mother helped her do this). Most guys don't have the option of poncing off of girlfriends.

          [–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There are some articles to the contrary.

          Workplace salaries: At last, women on top

          [–]BluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          A better example of tech age toxicity than the pedantic 14 y/o novels women read is comparing men's video games to women's use of social media.

          Men are not immature. Men are just not willing to compete with the "entitled bitches" that social media has helped create.

          [–]homesquash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is probably one of my favourite posts on TRP - the second one here in a week.

          [–]franklyforthright 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          At least where I'm from it is completely different. They are mostly peter pans; videogames, poor diet, booze, married... etc 95% are bluebill men walking around with their heads down. I get instant attention from femals bc im the only guy standing straight

          [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Blue pill man does not equal Peter Pan man child. If they are married, they are most likely supporting their wives. As par the videogames, actually read the post to get an explanation of that. For poor diet, that is not an indicator of immaturity. Plenty of politicians have a poor diet, you gona call them immature?

          [–]Redpillchapters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You see, they don't talk about how the media itself (some of which is controlled by feminists) throws this idea of young love and being a wild college kid in your face constantly. You have to get drunk, you have to have a lot of sex, you have to sleep around a lot, you have to chill with the bros, and you have to "live a little".

          We are simply slaves to a culture that promotes debauchery and hedonism, thing is, men can have that at a later age with ease while women eventually hit the wall and hav ea tough time obtaining it.

          So it's wrong for a man to want to experience it when he gets the chance but not wrong for her to ride the CC.

          [–]Garconanokin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Five Dollars!!! And who's on the five dollar bill?

          Coincidence? I think not.

          [–]blandboringusername 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Because patriarchy yo.

          Naw just kidding. There are some things, on average, that men simply do better. Like lifting heavy weights, fighting, or making and saving money. Personally I think it's because men are more pragmatic, and willing to take tougher courses of study, move to remote locations for a job, work long hours, or whatever else it takes to get ahead. Women have endless excuses why they can't do those things, and the media backs them up 100%.

          [–]joshw220 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Do women get better government grants, financial aid, loans then men do? I honestly don't know.

          [–]orangelimeade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sort of. Federal grants and loans for school in the US don't discriminate on degree specifics, only the broad type. Undergrad loans are typically subsidized moreso than graduate loans. What this means is an underwater basket weaving BA from Univ of Phoenix comes with less than half the interest rate of a medical degree at Harvard. Due to degree choices, women as a whole win out on interest rates. But good luck finding a job. There were some changes recently but when I started medical school the rate we pay is 6.8% for the first 35k or so and 7.9% for the rest, while college was Univ of Phoenix basket weaving at 3.4%

          [–]Venicedreaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          As long as the boys are feeding themselves, that's good enough. Too many deadbeats around these parts

          [–]blondie1212 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          In reality, a woman will always try to define male maturity as being ready to submit to marriage and serve as her provider.

          This is what I liked about OP. IMO, both men and women have become lazy. That is why we are fatter than ever, less fit, more anxious, more socially isolated. I don't know why OP wants to defend video games. Video games, porn, and other instant gratification entertainment is harmful to both men and women.

          [–]BoyMeetsHarem 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I agree and I don't know why you're being downvoted. It has nothing to do with maturity - our modern propensity for huge, constant doses of dopamine have totally screwed up our reward circuitry and sharply reduced the overall level of ambition and achievement in our species.

          [–]blondie1212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks! Maybe people misunderstand, I meant that instant gratification directly affects women and men. I didn't mean that porn affects men, which in turn affects women. Women watch it too and it fucks them up. Everyone watches TV. Everyone buys into consumerism, media, fast food, and other forms of instant gratification. These things have been perfected to a science now and affect our brains like drugs do. So like drugs, I recommend moderation.

          [–]Telochi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is good data, very well done compiling and analyzing it. I like seeing this sort of thing on TRP.

          [–]aesthetic-as-fuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Every weak self serving anecdotal argument author makes is irrefutably destroyed. So from my point of view her trouble finding a man has less to do with a larger Peter Pan problem, and more to do with her being a stupid bitch.

          I can't imagine any high value guy wanting to fuck her.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Yes, it's real. It has been since the mid 70s. It's the fault of advertising through stupidity. Keep everyone children and they won't stop buying useless shit.