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[–]ArchangelleFuckOff 67 points68 points  (26 children)

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http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

That's the US trials of the same product. They are crowdsourcing the rest of the cost of the animal studies now.

Donations are helpful.

[–]abcd_z 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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Parsemus donation link.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (24 children)

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you have to wonder why the fuck a product like this will be looking for donations rather than investors. So far, trials results have been positive.

I think it's just greed that they are taking donations rather than investors.

[–]abcd_z 25 points26 points  (1 child)

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Just the opposite, actually. From the Vasalgel FAQ:

Vasalgel is being developed as a “social venture” (designed to make enough profit to be sustainable, but not make a killing). The primary goal is to make an affordable, effective male contraceptive widely available, so there’s no opportunity for riches—this is not the next Microsoft stock! Also, our format does not allow us to sell stock on the market. However, stay tuned for crowdfunding in 2014—or you can donate to the venture’s nonprofit parent, Parsemus Foundation, now, to help keep the project afloat. And we are seeking socially-minded donors/investors of $50,000 or more (accredited investors)—so if you know of anybody with that kind of cash who would like to see this succeed, please spread the word!

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This should be higher up

[–]vaker 15 points16 points  (11 children)

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The shot is like $5. How much do you think Big Pharma makes on contraceptive pills every month? No wonder they don't invest and would prefer to keep the gravy train rolling.

[–]1johnnight 7 points8 points  (10 children)

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What he says. Male permanent contraceptive will kill the market for female b/c pills and most of the market for condoms.

[–]fopdespotic 8 points9 points  (9 children)

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condoms

Dubious. They're used a lot for STDs and with the rise of hookup culture are probably going to be more popular than ever.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Idk man. I think most dudes simply either aren't taught or are in open denial about how widespread and contagious stds are. I know I've always been the dumbass who hears "I'm on the pill" and throws the condom to the wayside. Raw poon is just too many levels better to resist when you haven't registered that a good fifth of all sexually active girls are carrying herpes.

And its not like you can expect girls to enforce that shit. I've never fucked a girl on b/c that even expected me to wear a condom, and I've never fucked a girl not on b/c that took more than a tiny bit of coaxing to let me fuck her bareback.

[–]1johnnight 2 points3 points  (7 children)

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In hookups, yes. In marriages which do not need more babies, no. People like the feeling of going raw.

[–]TfahsNoriEht 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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STDs are also a risk in marriage

[–]colovick 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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The people married don't like to think that way

[–]dancingwithcats 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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Not if both parties are faithful.

[–]ArchangelleFuckOff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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So, they are a risk in marriage.

[–]TfahsNoriEht 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Which neither will ever know unless they start tracking their spouse everywhere they go.

[–]dancingwithcats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Technically correct, but sadly overly cynical. There are a few good monogamous relationships out there that involve well placed trust. I'm sorry if have never experienced one.

[–]fopdespotic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I would say in most marriages they find longer term solutions rather than using condoms, mostly because using condoms sucks.

[–]greyerg 28 points29 points  (6 children)

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Serious investors aren't interested because a product like this will not make much money.

They can charge the customer twice: once for the injection and once again for removal. Additionally, it's just some kind of simple polymer, nothing exotic.

Other contraceptive technologies make lots more money. Condoms are sold on a per fuck basis. Pills? Every month.

Investors want to invest in things that make lots of money.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

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I don't think you know how investing works...

As long as total value provided to consumers is greater than the cost of entry, there will be investors. Or there should be, if the company is trying.

I think they are just seeking donations because they don't want to sell ownership of the product.

[–]Workchoices 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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They aren't a company that is looking to make money, they are a not for profit. They would give away the injection if they could afford to, instead once its up and running they will probably just charge a small nominal fee.

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    [–]Haraklus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Vasalgel probably isn't a bad investment, but there are definitely better ones. Why would an investor put their money in vasalgel and give up the opportunity to make more off their investment by putting it elsewhere?

    This sounds like an ignorance of market economics. If the ROI is higher somewhere else, the price of ownership drops until it hits a risk-adjusted market average return.

    I suppose it's possible that the return will be so dismally low that it simply won't be profitable, but that seems unlikely.

    [–]madagent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I would invest the shit out of this company if they were public.

    [–]nSaneMadness 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    Investors wouldn't make much because the polymer is cheaper to produce than the syringe used to inject it. If they took investors instead of donations they'd be forced to charge more in order to pay them.

    [–]colovick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Gotta think of the longevity of such a product though... it's going to be making money until something replaces it... I'm sure people as young as high school age would be lining up for that... and we seem to be making more of them every day...

    [–]JohnEngland 52 points53 points  (4 children)

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    If this takes off long term it could completely alter the sexual landscape.

    There is good evidence that the hormone changes created by the pill alter the way women choose sexual partners.

    Women who are taking the pill prefer more feminine looking men, women who are not on the pill prefer more traditional masculine looking men. This is the reason so many women cheat on their beta partners when they decide to come off the pill.

    http://www.livescience.com/9744-pill-alter-sex-partner-preferences.html

    This could actually make things much worse for beta males and completely alter how Game is done.

    [–]sandpaperwalls 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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    Hormonal birth control also inhibits the sex drive of lots of women.

    [–]TfahsNoriEht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    It also ramps it up for some women. Big time

    [–]calantus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    It will definitely make it more straight forward for the betas.

    [–]0ringer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    not only that, but societal changes will happen as well. With a reduction in accidental and "accidental" births, there'll be a reduction in children coming from poor single income families, which will in turn reduce crime. It's pivotal that this product comes from a not for profit organization, or the impact this product could have would be minimized to the point of non-relevance

    Everything about this treatment is a good idea, but there are a bunch of groups that stand to lose from it being widely accessible. Big Pharma, Condom Companies, Correctional Facilities, Gold Diggers, Feminists, etc.

    We owe it to ourselves to help this company in any way we can.

    [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 201 points202 points  (53 children)

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    Already saw feminists arguing how it "takes reproductive power from the woman".

    Boo-fucking-hoo, now you can't hold men at ransom for half their pay cheque and assets in the form of draconian child support measures? Oh deary me.

    [–]Satchmo84 194 points195 points  (24 children)

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    "It takes the reproductive power from women!"

    "So you admit that it's about gaining the upper hand and not about equality?"

    Sit back and watch hamsters explode.

    [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[M] 150 points151 points  (23 children)

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    There's no such thing as equality. There is meritocracy, sure, but we never have equality of outcome because peoples capabilities differ due to their own individual combination of nature/nurture, the best you can have is the equality of opportunity but equality of outcome is tantamount to nothing more than communism.

    Feminist women want supremacy by any means necessary, they do not have the genetic means to surpass men so they try to skew the playing field to lift themselves up whilst simultaneously oppressing men, that way they can effectively claim a higher standard of life/superiority.

    The funny thing is this happens on a small scale too, it's female nature. A man sees another man better than him and he competes by making himself better and using that other man as a benchmark or goal to strive for and then some.

    Females instead spread rumor and try to sabotage others' reputations in order to boost themselves up. Men create shit/self improve to battle the competition, women effectively sabotage the competition instead so by comparison they don't look as bad (think encouraging fat acceptance and spreading reputation destroying rumors.)

    Feminism is the espionage of a society's social systems in order to divide and conquer men and women. By keeping them separated it is easier to control the society at large, women, in the absence of men - put their trust into the government. Women always need a provider, they are not self-sufficient or independent contrary to the battle cries of faux-independence you may hear, they're as independent as their government ALLOWS THEM TO BE this is why government looks after women while fucking men over, because women always need a provider and big daddy government once he emancipates men from women replaces that role.

    If equality is your cause you're better off calling yourself an egalitarian or a humanist, it is evident to anybody with two braincells to rub together that feminists are incredibly self-interested and about as supremacist as they come. They've only become more and more radical in their beliefs with each wave, now they have no battles left to fight they find things to pick on in a vain attempt to "try and stay relevant" and "maintain their power structure" in the form of money which comes from federal social action policies and pseudo intellectual research grants for "gender related issues" and other such lucrative useless babble.

    Feminism as an ideology simply does far more harm than it does good and it's one of the main driving forces behind the downfall of the modern anglosphere.

    [–]selfsufficientnigga 39 points40 points  (5 children)

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    Or, as I like to distill their attitude:

    'You are not truly free unless you own slaves.'

    [–]Endorsed Contributordeepthrill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Nice handle

    [–]zorrotypeoutfit 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    This fucking guy. I don't know if his death was a bigger loss to comedy or to the cause of logical thinking but fuck this gay earth for taking him so soon. RIP Patrice

    [–]kol15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    ended up watching the whole thing, thanks for the link

    [–]thegorechild 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    "Inappropriate is a vaginal word."

    I died laughing at that.

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      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      At least the dinosaurs didn't kill themselves like we're doing with feminism. If the next asteroid could laugh it would.

      [–]Satchmo84 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Plus, equality of outcome is literally impossible as it would require the exact same circumstances which are physiologically impossible. Even being closer to equality of opportunity than ever before has shown this isn't enough for them and should it be reached in it's purest form, still probably wont be.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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      Enough is never enough with women, feminist or not. Hypergamy. They get what they want via nagging. Feminism is an ideological example of woman's propensity to nag applied on a macro scale.

      There's having a voice and then there's terrorizing people to fulfill your personal agendas, the difference is subtle but relevant.

      [–]Endorsed Contributordeepthrill 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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      Completely off-topic, but you're a new mod? Did you previously post other another handle? Keep up the good work, you and the entire mod team!

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[M] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

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      Did you previously post other another handle?

      I did, but I am not at liberty to reveal what that handle may be.

      And thanks, we're doing our best.

      Edit: a handle means a username/alias.

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        [–]still_very_alive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Considering that IM's the one who constantly preaches Machiavellianism, and the posting style seems similar... yeah, that was my guess, too.

        [–]TfahsNoriEht 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        I think you mean liberty, not liability.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Mistyped, thanks.

        [–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        What is a handle?

        [–]SpawnQuixote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Shots fired. Good post.

        [–]fruitofmyloom 35 points36 points  (18 children)

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        Already saw feminists arguing how it "takes reproductive power from the woman".

        Can someone please point out anywhere on the Internet, even a Tumblr SJW, where someone is actually AGAINST this product? I find it incredibly hard to believe.

        [–]jacobman 26 points27 points  (2 children)

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        That's because it's just picking up on some extremist, if it even happened. That is not a popular opinion anywhere, and any of the people who took the bait in this thread are so deep in their own bubble that it's sad.

        [–]fruitofmyloom 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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        Yes, this bothers me. TRP is about reality, not a caricature of it.

        [–]krieg47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Heh. The undoing of the vast majority of things in TRP.

        [–]Tychas 2 points3 points  (7 children)

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        I thought so too. I found this, but it's only hearsay. Still though, pretty shocking stuff.

        [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        Can someone please point out anywhere on the Internet, even a Tumblr SJW, where someone is actually AGAINST this product?

        You may consider this report anecdotal or not credible, but here it is:

        http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt239964.html

        [–]Abbrevi8 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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        [–]SomersetRaglan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        this explains WHY someone would make such a comment, as the one that we are asking the OP to produce. However, it is not said comment.

        [–]trophyboyfriend 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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        Yeah.... I read the first page of the comments section and I couldn't actually find anybody saying it takes reproductive power away from the women.

        Not saying this isn't great news, and sign me up, but c'mon.... if you're going to quote the comments, at least find the comment, don't make it up.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        I've seen this argument being made by random women before asking how could they trust a guy to take his contraception? Men cannot be trusted etc etc. Shit that when said in reverse by a man, has you deemed a misogynist. No I cannot be assed to go and dig out the link for you, I read it on my phone months ago. It's here nor there, the likelihood this is made up is far lower than the likelihood that feminists do not want to see men having more birth control options. In fact feminists do not want to empower men at all, you can say NAWALT and that "those are just the bad feminists" and "good feminists believe in true equality" but it's all bullshit, "the bad feminists" make up the majority of feminists and have hijacked the ideology, they are the ones in control ruining society.

        Feminism was born on the back of "the pill" and birth control options for women, in fact without the pill feminism wouldn't be even possible.

        [–]jacobman 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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        If you believe that that is a common thought, then you're not following what's being said. The majority of people and feminists are all for this coming to market. I've never heard anyone say otherwise, so I'm certain that you're dealing with extremists if they say what OP said he heard.

        [–]Totenglocke42 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

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        I've heard plenty say otherwise, even on /r/childfree. Christ, anytime someone mentions how male birth control (pills, vasagel, whatever) would dramatically decrease "accidental" pregnancies, the women there flip the fuck out and insist that women NEVER do that.

        [–]jacobman 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        Well yeah, you're telling them that they're being manipulative selfish people. Of course they're not going to respond well. That's not the same as them being upset, afraid, or against vasagel. That's them not wanting to be besmirched.

        [–]Totenglocke42 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        That's them not wanting to be besmirched.

        So stating a fact about something that you have not done is somehow "besmirching" you simply because you're the same gender?

        [–]jacobman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. People take it that way much of the time. You should know that. It's not even the point anyways. The point is that what OP suggested people are saying is not even close to popular opinion.

        [–]charlesbukowksi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        amen

        [–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Yes, "cry me a river" (to steal a quote from Big Red herself)

        [–]General_Fear 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        No more ambush pregnancies. How many times have married men had to pretend that they welcome another child in the family when in reality they resent their wives for making another child.

        Think about it. Presently only women have birth control and around the world countries have stable or declining population growth. Now imagine what will happen when men also have a birth control method. Population decline will accelerate.

        [–]captshady 45 points46 points  (23 children)

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        From the comments:

        I also see a boon for women in monogamous, commited relationships. Once both parties are commited, the woman can stop taking her own contraceptives and avoid the expense and side effects. Then again, it will make for an interesting conversation. "Hey sweetie, we've been steady for a year now, and I've had the shot, why are you still taking birth control pills?"

        Love it!

        [–]Balls_so_hard 23 points24 points  (22 children)

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        Just because I'm shooting blanks doesn't get her off the hook for birth control too. I've got two buddies that have kids while using protection, this is another level of defence as far as I see it not a replacement.

        [–]MrsStrom 23 points24 points  (13 children)

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        The failure rate of vasagel and other products like it is near 0. They have been shown to be more effective than hormonal birth control with far fewer side effects. If she gets pregnant, it probably isn't yours.

        [–]tsudonimh 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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        Wish I could give you more upvotes. As good as a reversible male contraceptive is, it does diddly squat about STDs.

        [–]Abbrevi8 13 points14 points  (6 children)

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        Yeah, but STDs aren't going to demand alimony from me.

        [–]VinylGuy420 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        I think you mean child support. But still great point.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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        True, but hiv/aids will change your life, I'm told.

        [–]Abbrevi8 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        Likely hood of contracting it without sharing needles though?

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        No idea but I once heard an oldschool porn director say on a podcast that hes only ever been able to track hiv infection with people who are receiving anal sex from hiv infected males. Ever since I heard that I've rolled with that as the reality and never worried about hiv again.

        [–]Abbrevi8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Yeah, pretty much what I'd heard as well. I don't have anal sex with men so I reckon I'm sweet on the HIV front.

        [–]Chelsor 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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        I don't understand. This article is two years old. Is there any current information?

        [–]txroller 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        [–]MahlerNinth 56 points57 points  (12 children)

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        Yeah, I've got fingers crossed for Vasalgel, and am hoping that market demand for this can beat feminists in power, who will do everything they can to stop this becoming legal and approved in the US.

        (At worst, book a round trip to India, and figure out how much cheaper that plane ticket is than the potential of paying child support.)

        [–]DirtyD27 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        Market demand? Just think how much Paul George, Dwight Howard or any other professional athlete/celebrity would be willing to pay for this shit.
        In other news, this is old news.

        [–]angryadult 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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        Dude, if this is actually as good as we all think it will, men will be taking "medical vacations" like crazy. I know that when I was in my early 20s, I would have done that in a heartbeat.

        [–]journalistjb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        yeah i'm a little annoyed that I'm now in my mid-30s and ready to settle down, but if it goes to market in 2015 I might get a year or two of freedom with it

        [–]thecajunone 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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        Sad that as a country we would let feminists hold us back like that.

        [–]MahlerNinth 35 points36 points  (0 children)

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        what do you mean, WOULD?

        It's been happening for a while now.

        Men put in more hours at work, are inclined to challenge themselves and push for more competitive jobs that have great potential for upward mobility, are responsible for the majority of economic production/output in this country, and yet feminism's ideas of reducing male influence and presence in the workplace for "equal opportunity" dominate most HR/hiring procedures. This is just one example. Women's interests, under the guise of equality and social justice, are holding back a great deal of progress and potential innovation.

        [–]Paxmagister 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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        I've always wondered. If someone wanted to be shot up with a drug that hasn't been tested, can they choose to do it, waiving their rights to sue? I understand nothing can prevent you from suing, but winning is another matter. Is there a law that says a person cannot use this before it has gone through all these testing phases? (In the U.S. at least)

        [–]throwaway-o 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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        I've always wondered. If someone wanted to be shot up with a drug that hasn't been tested, can they choose to do it, waiving their rights to sue?

        Daddy Gumint won't allow it. If you did this, Daddy Gumint would literally kidnap and cage you and the person performing the service to you.

        For your "protection" of course. The worst forms of abuse and assault are always prefaced with a big fat "for your own good".

        [–]loddfavne 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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        This is how it works: You would travel to another country having it done there. Medical tourism. But, if enough men do that the medical industry would want a piece of this cake too. And, they would call their lobbyists who would call the congressmen and Tada! It would be baked in with a new agricultural, maritime, air-pollution or any other related bill! And then it would be taken into the American legislation. The land of the free and the home of the .. payed(?)

        Quiz time (multiple choice): 1. Guess what country people will travel to in order to get those delicious vas-gland filled with temporary polymers? Mexico, Cuba, Russia or Brazil? 2. Does big-pharma own lobbyist, entire lobbies, senators or everything?

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        1. Mexico

        2. Only lobbyists/entire lobbies, and proxy to them the senators and proxy to the senators the keys to the government. But the senators must shuffle and balance the conflicting demands of their patrons to the best of their ability and maximum self interest.

        [–]abcd_z 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        "Can I just go to India to get RISUG?"

        Unfortunately not! RISUG is not yet on the market in India, and clinical trials of RISUG are only for Indian men who live near the study sites. We don’t know when RISUG’s developers will get it to market. So if you live in one of those cities in India, you’re in luck; but otherwise, Vasalgel is your best bet and we hope for your support!

        Source: http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-faqs/

        [–]Draki1903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        It's all about Expected Value. Choose between 100% chance of paying, I dunno, 2 grand or non-100% chance of paying 200 grand.

        [–]1trplurker 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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        It's going to be available in limited numbers to the open public something this year, at least in India. They are done with human trials and it's been certified to be safe on humans. They only had one screwup during humans trials and it was due to the shot being administered incorrectly. They administered the reversal shot, then later had him come in and redo the treatment properly.

        I'm currently looking into which hospitals / doctors will be offering this and getting myself scheduled for an appointment. Will have to take a flight but it'll be worth it.

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        Well worth it

        [–]ilovemyself101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Travel to an exotic country, gaining lifetime experience, adventures AND 'safety', can we sit next to each other on the plane?

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          [–]sandpaperwalls 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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          I'm over at RPW, but I've seen this discussed in more feminism-oriented subreddits and the consensus is almost completely positive. The general consensus, even among feminists, is actually, "FINALLY! WE DON'T SHOULDER ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY!"

          I personally, cannot wait, and am really interested in possible side effects. Hormonal BC really does have its downsides, especially in a committed LTR, and I know its really rare, but I've actually had a couple friends who had issues with IUDs.

          I really don't think there will be a feminist uproar about this. Now, I'm sure there will be some ridiculous reason why this shouldn't be covered under insurance, but hopefully those who make the decisions can use some common sense and realize how important it is for men to have reproductive rights as well.

          [–]sway_usa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Because women are lazy. To understand how this hurts them would require forethought, the ability of which they do not possess.

          When it all comes down and they realize (after it's too late) that they can no longer trap a guy, the screeching will commence.

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          Already saw feminists arguing how it "takes reproductive power from the woman".

          Lmao. I have ZERO concern that feminists might stop this becoming available in the U.S. You guys seriously give a network of overweight bloggers too much credit sometimes. Sure, feminism is a minor power in our country, but this is Big fucking Pharma we're talking about here. They'll see to it that the entire feminist movement gets a quick and brutal death if they fucking dare try and get in between the prescription drug industry and its $$$.

          [–]MrsStrom 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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          Not big pharma. Vasagel is being funded by private donations. Not enough money in it for a major pharmaceutical company to pick it up. The shot itself costs less than $5 to produce, plus the administration fee. There's a link to the Vasagel donation page elsewhere in the thread.

          [–]master_mo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          They could always patent the technology/buy the patent and then charge whatever they want.

          [–]wolfJam 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          Can I fly to India and get this done?

          [–]abcd_z 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Unfortunately not! RISUG is not yet on the market in India, and clinical trials of RISUG are only for Indian men who live near the study sites. We don’t know when RISUG’s developers will get it to market. So if you live in one of those cities in India, you’re in luck; but otherwise, Vasalgel is your best bet and we hope for your support!

          Source: http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-faqs/

          [–]the_red_scimitar 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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          Wow. The very term "reproductive power" is very telling.

          As somebody who had a GF pull a very elaborate pregnancy sham (or try to), I've liked this experimental vasectomy technique since I heard of it over a year ago!

          [–]randomkloud 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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          no, this is NOT a vasectomy of any kind, a vasectomy is simply the cutting of the vas deferens which is irreversible, with this technique the structure remains intact and the infertility is reversible.

          A crucial difference.

          [–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          As a fellow nitpicker, thank you.

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            yea, I didn't want to get overly technical so I didnt mention that. Just don't want to hear about people walking into a hospital once this thing hits the market and asking for a vasectomy.

            it'll sound like a typical cheesy medical joke.

            [–]-Tyler_Durden- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            In every advancement there are always unintended consequences. I believe that when this goes mainstream most young men will get this procedure done. If I was a father I would take my teenage son to have this done.

            This procedure will reduce the need for women to go on hormonal birth control and will drastically reduce its use. This will change women's subconscious preference in men. Men whose sexual strategy focuses upon being a provider will find even more failure than they do now and this will be a bonanza for men who embody and practice the RP principles.

            I just hope I am still in the game for this sea change.

            [34.5% of women 20-24 use hormonal birth control](www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf)

            [28.9% of women 25-29 use hormonal birth control](www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf)

            [–]jethreezy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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            I've been waiting for this for over 2 years now, and it's still in trials, sigh...

            In the beginning I was contemplating even possibly going to India to get RISUG, but upon further research, found out that they used DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) as a solvent for the gel, having worked with the chemical first hand, I can tell you it's a nasty and quite controversial chemical.

            So ya, Vasalgel it is.

            [–]master_mo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            The article was posted in 2012, so it may be here fairly soon.

            [–]SomersetRaglan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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            Already saw feminists arguing how it "takes reproductive power from the woman".

            Links or quotes please? Not that we don't believe you, but.....

            [–]romerom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            ya that was the first thing i searched for and failed...

            [–]bama79rolltide 30 points31 points  (18 children)

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            From a woman in the comments:

            "I think this is a progressive step in the CORRECT direction. For too long birth control has been considered a femaie responsibility, as we're the ones that carry babies. But women are ONLY fertile 5-8 days per cycle, whereas men are fertile from the minute they produce their first sperm cell, until they day they die. Since men are fertile all the time, the burden of birth control should fall on their shoulders. If this becomes available in the USA, and there is no age limit, as soon as my son is old enough to produce sperm, I'll be signing him up for this. It should be one of those required shots, like all vaccinations, to ensure that girls and boys finish high school without having it interupted by an unplanned pregnancy. I also think that they should be teaching girls how to read and understand their cycles, when they are fertile and when they are not in sex ed in high school, instead of focusing on whether they should use a tampon or pad for when they bleed. If more girls were self aware and knew their cycles, a lot of these unplanned teenage pregnancy would be avoided."

            Pass the buck again. Unreal. Do they take responsibility for anything?

            [–]Paxmagister 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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            I love how, when it is a burden, it should be shifted to men.

            The burden of birth control

            But when it's a benefit or control, it should be only for women.

            takes reproductive power from the woman

            [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 39 points40 points  (6 children)

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            Well to be fair she has a good idea but for the wrong reasons.

            If I had a son I'd tell him if he wants to be sexually active that he had better wrap that shit up and get this treatment done (because condoms arent perfect). I would advise him against telling anyone he had this done either. That way if some slut claims he knocked her up he can drop the bomb on her so she can see that 18 year annuity disappear before her eyes.

            I'd imagine the age limit would probably be like age of consent so 14 or 16 years old. Though I wouldn't put it past them to require people to be 18.

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              [–]abcd_z 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              Yeah, but A) herpes is mostly asymptomatic, B) 1 in 4 includes the strain that causes cold sores on your mouth as well as the strain that causes genital herpes, and C) social stigma aside, herpes is pretty much harmless.

              An excellent guide to STDs

              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              That's also the other reason.

              I wonder how much higher infection rates for herpes are these days vs like 1950's (pre sexual revolution). Would be interesting to see how women slutting it up caused massive spread of STDs.

              [–]bam2_89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              1 in 6 according to the CDC in 2010, but it's dropping. It's also only 11% for men because we're more resistant.

              [–]gopher88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              If I had a son I'd tell him if he wants to be sexually active that he had better wrap that shit up and get this treatment done (because condoms arent perfect). I would advise him against telling anyone he had this done either. That way if some slut claims he knocked her up he can drop the bomb on her so she can see that 18 year annuity disappear before her eyes.

              pretty much what my dad told me the second I hit high school. "Don't be a fool, wrap your tool" I believe was the hip line the school was using in our lifeskills classes.

              [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Well to be fair she has a good idea but for the wrong reasons.

              Absolutely not.

              It should be one of those required shots, like all vaccinations, to ensure that girls and boys finish high school without having it interupted by an unplanned pregnancy.

              I don't support this at at all, and I hope nobody on here does. Besides violating basic fucking freedom, that could possibly fuck up some sort of puberty doohickey. Nope.jpg

              For too long birth control has been considered a femaie responsibility, as we're the ones that carry babies. But women are ONLY fertile 5-8 days per cycle, whereas men are fertile from the minute they produce their first sperm cell, until they day they die. Since men are fertile all the time, the burden of birth control should fall on their shoulders.

              Her tone smacks of feminism. She's stupid, but some of her views on the subject happen to line up with ours.

              [–]angryadult 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              She's got the right conclusion, but for the wrong reasons. Doing this doesn't exempt her from giving her daughter birth control also. In addition, it also doesn't prevent STDs, so for casual hookups, the condom requirement isn't gone.

              In addition, this isn't giving the burden back to men. It's allowing an equal sharing of the burden. If one of them falls, it doesn't mean that the whole house comes crashing down. That's all we really want out of it.

              [–]Evers89 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              Let her and all the others rant to their hearts content about who's burden it is. I'll happily sign up for it taking this on my shoulders.

              This is one of those fights that id let them win because it's going to pacify their more malicious counter arguments while I get to enjoy freedom from accidents for a decade.

              If they want to hamster this as another "victory" for removing their burden of birth control, let them. It's only when it's too late and accidents stop happening that they will realize they lost this one.

              [–]ilovemyself101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Win my deceit? Isn't there something in the 33 laws of power like this :)

              [–]machimus 6 points7 points  (6 children)

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              "It should be one of those required shots"? Enforced hormonal infertility? If this was suggested for girls, there would be public riots!

              [–]machimus 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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              Plus, you're forcing all the potential side effects on still-developing young male bodies...they clearly haven't thought this through or don't care. There's a small chance there are no side effects, but I wouldn't want to be the first generation of boys to have beards start growing our of their foreheads.

              [–]Abbrevi8 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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              Plus, you're forcing all the potential side effects on still-developing young male bodies...they clearly haven't thought this through or don't care.

              There doesn't seem to be all that many side effects. As I understand the tech it lines the inside of your vas deference and kills the sperm as it comes up from the testes. No hormonal interferece or anything, regular testosterone production, etc. All that happens is you shoot dead sperm.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (6 children)

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              You know a great drug for male birth control Deca Durabolin.
              Too bad one of the side effects is putting on a shit ton of muscle mass. Oh well.

              [–]GunnyGuilfoyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              How did you get it?

              [–]MrsStrom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              WTF, lol. You're quickly becoming once of my favorite TRPers

              [–]VinylGuy420 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              I've never heard of this, what is it? And is it legal?

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              [–]MockingDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Deca Durabolin

              yeah, but how do you get it...

              [–]adamwho 6 points7 points  (15 children)

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              Getting injections into the vas deferens with a polymer gel sounds delightful.

              [–]igrokspock[🍰] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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              Sounds a damn sight better than an unwanted and unplanned child in your life.

              [–]Abbrevi8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Compared to "I think I'm pregnant", it sure does.

              [–]alkyjason 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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              How delightful does 18+ years of child support payments sound?

              [–]adamwho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              You don't have to enjoy either

              [–]ChauvOtoo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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              You probably don't feel a thing. I had the vasectimy done after my second child (because 1 boy and 1 girl is enough) and it was a 20 minute procedure, didn't feel a thing. I had some perc's for after, but didn't need it.

              This will be much less invasive and maybe you'll be a bit sore at the gym for a day or two.

              I will be getting this for my son when he hits a sexually active age, no doubt.

              [–]squoig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Frozen peas. (For icing)

              [–]phoneprofile 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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              Fucking a chick raw feels even better

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              And on the same note if this treatment gets pushed by big pharma its going to triple the stds floating around in the population. Which will increase the demand for std medication and put MORE money in their pockets.

              So obviously this is going to be fucking huge. Like billions spent in lobbying and public opinion to get this as a part of the tax-funded welfare package huge.

              [–]dawg826 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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              I did see some article perhaps on Roosh V or RoK that said that the technology for STD detection is rapidly improving and that soon you could definitively know on the dot if someone has an STD or not. Whether or not it's true I don't know, but that's some utopia shit right there.

              [–]Totenglocke42 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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              That would be awesome. Instead of always needing condoms "just in case", you both lick (or pee, whatever) on a strip and a minute later you know if they're clean or not.

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              hmm that would surely force the notable portion of the herpes-infected population out of hiding. I wonder if they would all be made into sexual outcasts or if we would be forced to adopt a more forgiving attitude of the virus. Herpes has both more alpha males and hot carousal riding sluts (and therefore all their beta orbiters) on its side btw.

              [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              Herpes has both more alpha males and hot carousal riding sluts (and therefore all their beta orbiters) on its side btw.

              Why would orbiters have herpes?

              [–]randomkloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              panty sniffing?

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              Oh they don't. But they'll run to her defense over it and they'd easily risk contracting it for the chance to fuck her. Pussy is SO over valued in our society that even having herpes doesn't change a woman's dating life or SMV much at all.

              [–]souppy25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              The shot would not prevent STIs. Still need a condom.

              [–]stuffandthat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              Fuck I hate feminists. They have IVF.

              [–]Party_Liquor 7 points8 points  (12 children)

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              I don't mean to rain on the parade here but the feminists already neutralize this with the whole presumptive paternity thing. Doesn't matter if you are the biological father or not. We are just fucked.

              [–]-Tyler_Durden- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              Usually when a man finds himself in this predicament they either willingly adopted another man's child or they were a victim of fraud. In the former case, they entered this arrangement of their own free will. Of the latter case, if the man knows that he is temporarily sterile, then he has the immediate power to contest this fraud.

              [–]WAFC 4 points5 points  (8 children)

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              Presumption of paternity has very limited applications in the law.

              [–]alkyjason 5 points6 points  (7 children)

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              Men have been forced under order of the court to pay child support for children that were not theirs. Presumption of paternity is very much alive and well.

              [–]WAFC 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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              Men have been forced under order of the court to pay child support for children that were not theirs.

              Yes, because they were married to the mother or some other extenuating circumstance. As I said, it has very limited application. It would not force you to pay for a child that one of your plates popped out before trying to designate you as the father.

              [–]Totenglocke42 5 points6 points  (5 children)

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              Apparently you missed the post from earlier this week / last week about the man forced to pay child support under "presumptive paternity" because over a year before she had the baby, she had a relationship with the guy and even admitted that she knew it wasn't his.

              [–]nSaneMadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              In the US it's likely to be different depending on the state. There's currently nine states that have a Paternity Fraud laws that-as I'm aware-protect men from paying child support of non-biological children.

              The guy that caused these laws to start being pushed was divorced and paying support for a child not biologically his. He took it to Supreme Court and won his case and started a movement to push Paternity Fraud laws.

              I'm unable to link at the moment.

              [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Link to that post?

              [–]Swifthand 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              AFAIK this is only a thing in the USA, right?

              [–]Party_Liquor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I am not sure.

              [–]M00glemuffins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              I would love for this to be available! My wife stopped taking birth control a few months back because the hormones really messed her up so nowadays we just use condoms. My wife always hates when we 'have to put one on because it feels better without one' and I don't blame her. I would love to be able to have intimate sex with my wife, without any extraneous pieces of latex without having a mini panic attack in the back of my head about accidentally getting her pregnant.

              Sign me up!

              [–]bigyellowtwinki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              I'm all for this because some married men won't have to get snipped but can take a much more safe measure. The anger it brings out in feminists is just the cherry on top.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              no more thugspawn :D

              the next generation might be much much more civilized.

              [–]Swifthand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              The article is from 2012 with the prediction that it'll be on the market in 2015. So how's that coming along?

              [–]corylegend 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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              This needs to be mandatory at 13 or 14 years old.

              [–]Totenglocke42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Try actually promoting that and watch the hate fly as feminists bitch about how you're taking away teen girls' "right" to get knocked up due to "accidentally" forgetting to take their pill.

              [–]rocketskates84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Oooh a shot in the nads. Sign me up, but Ouch!

              [–]JellyfishCurrent 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              Side effects?

              [–]MrsStrom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              Pain and swelling at the injection site, slight risk of infection... very few and mostly minor.

              [–]Totenglocke42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Even severe pain and swelling in your balls is better than the pain of 18 years of financial slavery.

              [–]DeltaCypher0 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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              Needle to the vas deferens. ouch.

              [–]arjuice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              I'd take a needle over the snip snip

              [–]randomkloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              good thing we have something called anesthesia.

              [–]Freshtowels 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              If women are complaining about reproductive rights based entirely on the mistake being handed to men as a bad thing.... that just proves how corrupt they are.

              You can basically accuse any woman that says this shit as a supporter of baby cuckolding, beta bux ect ect.

              this just makes it more transparent... more men will see the truth.

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                [–]Freshtowels 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Yeah great point.

                [–]Tall_Irish_Guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Let's just hope we get it in short term pill format or something.

                [–]NomNomYoMomma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Professional athletes everywhere are rejoicing. No more bullshit child support and crazy ass baby mamas

                [–]itislaboeuf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                TIL nobody on TRP went to business school.

                [–]MrZakalwe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Already saw feminists arguing how it "takes reproductive power from the woman".

                Citation needed.