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[–]RyanTcone 219 points220 points  (25 children)

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I'm reminded of the time I posted a meme in AA about the time I was working as a bouncer and ultimately punched a girl after she threw a cocktail glass at me, spat at me and tried clawing at my eyes. Most of the reddit community attacked me and I was absolutely shit on for it.

Remember guys, it's only equality if it makes women look better, anything else is misogynistic.

[–]Drunken_dog 113 points114 points  (10 children)

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Feminism: your civil rights end where our feelings begin!

[–]1Gavlan_Wheel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I swear that I've seen SJWs seriously using this to defend political correctness and laws restricting speech, like the "hate speech" laws in Europe and Australia.

Maybe it was just someone being sarcastic. Who knows when we live in the parody singularity. It's almost impossible to tell parody from reality.

[–]Grasshopper21 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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I feel proud that I defended your right to wreck her shit after she did all that shit to you. Keep promoting equality brother

[–]chillmonkey88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember that post... I read through and saw that very few people had your back and gave you the "your bigger and don't have to use excessive force you big woman beater!" And a few others call you out... it's whatever though... If someone (regardless of sex) threatens me with potential long term physical/bodily harm (scratch eyes = damaged or loss vision, spitting and hitting me = trip to hospital for infection or tissue damage) it's your right to protect yourself... swift, harsh and unforgiving is the only way to ensure your own protection...

[–]Rougepellet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

even before a bro introduced me to red pill, i always found it ridiculous how the media and society did this shit. If a man randomly pulls out a gun and shoots you in the leg, you shoot him back. You're acting in self-defense, no problem. A woman could throw a table at your head, cut your arm off. You so much as touch a hair on her head and you're chris brown and deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered. Infuriating.

[–]meekwai 0 points1 point  (3 children)

For a regular Joe, punching back when attacked would be fine.

This may not be a popular view on this subreddit, but as a bouncer you handled the situation unprofessionally. The job is to kick rowdy patrons out of the club with minimal fuss (preferably before it escalates to a major disturbance), not to assault them. Doesn't matter what they've done to you -- you can press charges for that.

[–]RyanTcone 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Were you there to see everything that happened? You weren't?

Thought so. If my boss, cops and co workers told me I did things correctly given the situation then I'm pretty damn sure I did ok, thanks though.

[–]meekwai 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe. I was only going by what you wrote.

Last night I saw a great bouncer in action. A patron was breaking glasses and about to punch another guy. The bouncer was onto him within less than 10 seconds, and all the contact it took is pulling the shirt of the offender in a proper way, looking intimidating enough and shoving him out. Not even pushing, let alone punches. This from a 40 y.o. Chinese bouncer who was good 5cm shorter than the offender.

Obviously, not all situations are like this, but I reckon being observant and stopping a situation quickly with restraint and minimal force should be a job requirement for bouncers. Fair retaliation is not obligatory, in fact, it might put the club at a risk of lawsuits.

[–]Audball766 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw that post! You had every reason to hit her! I hope it makes her think twice about ever doing that again.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 49 points50 points  (6 children)

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Here's the link to the segment in question:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11265563

Starts around 14:15

Both Max and Marcellus go in on the issue of Ray Rice. Marcellus offers caution about rushing to judgment; stresses the need to get all facts as no one knows for sure what happened; cites the fact they have reconciled.

Marcellus then goes onto tell his story of domestic violence, by a woman. The woman assaulted him 11 times and then ran to phone the police after Marcellus held frame and laughed at her. He then goes down to meet the police when they arrived. The woman then screams out the window "he's hitting me!!!" even though he's outside talking to the police and explaining what happened. He recognizes that the only reason he survived that situation was because of that coincidence and he would've been arrested otherwise due to his size, fame, race, etc. Thus, he stresses patience in getting all the facts...

Max then goes to give his view about being against chivalry, because "adults should be responsible for their own actions".

If an adult human being physically assaults another adult human being, regardless of the gender or the size, it's hard to say "hey that adult assaulted that adult...and when they woke up from being knocked out, they get to complain about it"

Max then goes onto discuss Stephen A Smith's comments, who used the word "provoke". SAS got in trouble because, as Max points out, "provoke" can be viewed as "didn't do anything physical but just made someone mad...", which feminists latched onto since women should be allowed to provoke all they want. Max states that in his mind, "provoke" literally means physically escalating the situation beyond mere verbal provocation, at which point you lose privilege to be safe and are subject to physical retaliation yourself.

TL;DR Max is getting scapegoated.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 40 points41 points  (4 children)

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ESPN has sent a message. They believe women should be able to commit assault against men without recompense.

They are scared shitless of feminists. Fucking cowards.

[–]Satchmo84 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Did you expect anything less from a company owned by Disney?

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You have a point there.

[–]Arcphalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I feel like the message here is that ESPN thinks that its programs are not an appropriate forum for the discussion of the ethics behind domestic abuse with regards to the host's particular experience, in the same way that it would not be an appropriate forum to discuss the ethics of conversion to Islam.

[–]Dante-S 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like the message here is that ESPN thinks that its programs are not an appropriate forum for the discussion of the ethics behind domestic abuse with regards to the host's particular experience

If the hosts delivered the 100% PC view, ESPN wouldn't have done shit. Do you think if the guy said "yeah, I mean, we don't have the full story, but screw that guy, because hitting a woman is abhorrent regardless of circumstance!!" he'd be getting suspended? Hell no. If they suspended him after that, they'd be labelled women-haters, or misogynists. Just like they would have been if they didn't suspend this guy. That's all they care about in the end; their image. They're not worried about the topic, they're worried about what the response would do to the brand name. To say that they'd realize their shitty little programs aren't the forum for these discussions would be giving them FAR too much credit. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a lot of decision makers agreed with this dude's take on the matter. But they're doing damage control. Regardless of what they believe is right or just, they can't let anything tarnish the brand name. That'd mean a drop in ratings, or losses from sponsors who are looking out for their image, and that trumps all else. Like trudatess said

Fucking cowards.

[–]MyRedAccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You don't have a natural right to provoke people as much as you want regardless of what the law says. If you provoke someone too much, and you don't know how long peoples' fuses are at any given time, they may get violent. I nearly got in a fight with an older rich alpha male yesterday because he misjudged the situation and thought he could smart off as much as he wanted. I was in a very bad mood, and not feeling like I had a lot to lose, and odds were about 50/50. With someone who clearly has means so far above myself if he passes the point of making me violent I have zero reason to hold back before manslaughter. The worst assault and battery I can commit I will commit once someone makes me lose my manners who I think will sue, because I'm just as fucked either way. I was not the aggressor either. He was behaving threateningly towards a woman who was with me in my car. It was unbelievable. I know that's a bit OT, but I figure his rich boy privilege is pretty similar to the feminine one, as in either case I'm the one who gets fucked by the law. I'm a lot calmer than I used to be, and was able to walk away, but there was a time when I wouldn't have been.

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    [–]MHOOD01 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    Pretty soon we'll start to see ESPN become The View.

    [–]LAMFF 53 points54 points  (9 children)

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    ESPN is becoming less watchable by the minute.

    [–]TangoIndiaTangoSiera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's essentially TMZ at this point. I tried giving up ESPN when Fox Sports 1 debuted, but it's not much better honestly. Other than live games, might as well avoid channels other than ones dedicated to your favorite league.

    [–]dallz_beep -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

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    Not a TV watcher but I remember seeing the station turned to ESPN several times in sports bars, people's houses, etc. They had a show called "Rome is Burning" in big red letters. I thought it was very apt and surprisingly honest for the Matrix. Obviously gossiping about sports players is pure propaganda and a distraction from important things but to me the honesty was funny.

    [–]Andrewticus04 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    Considering the host's name is Jim Rome, I don't think it was honesty from the matrix so much as you reading into what's not there.

    [–]dallz_beep 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    So it's just a guy with chlamydia. Got it.

    [–]Andrewticus04 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Wow, that was clever. An upvote and golf clap to you, my friend.

    [–]The_Psychopath 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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    If women want equal rights they should accept equal lefts for when they behave like cunts.

    [–]Dante-S -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    They should. And you should probably realize that simply being a cunt shouldn't be reason enough for you deck some little dunce. If you're resorting to that level of force simply because a broad is being annoying or lands some (let's be honest; most of the time) flimsy little punch to your chest, you're not holding frame. You're acting out of anger and battling their bullshit ideal (NEVER HIT A WOMAN EVER) with one of your own (EQUAL RIGHTS EQUAL FIGHTS). The truth, as it so often is, is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of how flimsly her blow might have been, that shit is not going to stand, and some level of force is necessary. But you're much better served in the long-run tossing her ass out than you are levelling her Snookie style, leaving her babbling incoherently with a face full of evidence. There are certain instances where it's 100% justified (i.e. your life is on the line and this bitch is legitimately able and ready to end it), but it should be a last resort

    [–]Sherlock--Holmes 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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    Best friend of mine, Ivy League educated lawyer had a martini glass smashed into his head during a fight with his then-girlfriend. He then slapped her. She called police, he went to prison for 6 months. Got disbarred. It's been about 10 years and he is still fighting to get back into the bar.

    [–]mydarkmeatrises 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I know of a similar story. Bitches, man. And they wonder why some men prefer just to fuck them and leave them alone.

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      [–]Sherlock--Holmes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The truth is, there is nothing you can do to a woman physically even if she does it to you first.

      [–]Codex_Dev 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Holy fuck that's insane. What was he charged with? And I'm curious to know how he wasn't able to squiggle out of the charges, considering he's an Ivy League lawyer.

      [–]Sherlock--Holmes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He isn't a criminal attorney, he specializes in contract law. He had to hire a defense attorney (that's the correct thing to do). He was facing 15 years, so he took the plea deal of 6 months in prison. While in prison he called me daily and several times told me taking the plea deal was the right decision because the prison is full of poor saps with decades to serve who didn't...

      [–]bluedrygrass 22 points23 points  (22 children)

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      Poor Max, he didn't deserve it. They were both drunk at a party, she slapped him, he slapped back and he's now suspended a decade later? Fuck off with that shit.

      Anyway notice how this treatment varies according to race. Max Kellerman interviews boxers. The most payed and one of the most famous boxers today is Floyd Mayweather, who once beat up his fiancee in front of their childrens for unclear reasons. He got in jail for this, but nowadays nobody brings this aspect up. And he certainly wouldn't have been suspended or anything for a bullshit story like Kellerman's.

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        [–]blue_27 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        Sometimes hookers need to get bit.

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        Nothing to do with race you imbecile

        [–]UnamusedPunk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        Max is an annoying cunt. I don't think this warranted though.

        [–]Counter423 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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        lmao. I remember my ex poured a drink over my head one day. I took my t-shirt off and started hitting her with it.

        Best memory I have of that 5 year relationship.

        Also I've been fucking her cousin for the past year lmao!!!

        [–]Average_Black_Man -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

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        Hilarious, but she could fuck you over in a heartbeat if she felt so inclined.

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          [–]Average_Black_Man 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          I meant the original ex. The way I see it, she could suddenly get pissed that you're with her cousin, cook up a false rape story (or something like that) and fuck your life up. Her being married with a kid certainly makes it seem unlikely, I was under the impression that you separated last month or something.

          [–]druskies80 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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          I have to say I probably would never hit a woman, no matter how badly I might want to. I just couldn't handle all the down votes.

          [–]LukeMooney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've hit women before and I'll do it again.

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            [–]2NiftyDolphin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            ..and Ray Rice himself gets a slap on the wrist and married.

            So Ray Rice got the worst of it.

            [–]NoFappin2014 20 points21 points  (5 children)

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            "Beating the shit out of"

            aka

            Hitting her once

            [–]dancingwithcats 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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            He didn't even hit her. She slapped him and he shoved her. Unfortunately he shoved her so hard she hit her head on the elevator wall and it stunned her.

            [–]NoFappin2014 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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            The reports I read said that he uppercutted her. She was in his face pushing him and spit on him, so he got pissed and basically pushed her off by swinging his hand up and caught her in the jaw, which would knock anyone out for a bit if you weren't expecting it.

            I don't know which story is right, but that's just what I heard

            [–]dancingwithcats -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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            I heard in the news reports I saw that he shoved her but I agree, I don't know which story is right either. All the reports I saw do say she hit him first. He still should have shown some more restraint than that. She shouldn't have smacked him but nobody should be hitting anyone. I doubt he was in any danger of bodily harm from her.

            [–]GC0W30 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            If you lose your balance, an attempt at grabbing a wrist in an attempt to effect a restraining hold turns into a shove or a punch.

            [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I watched the video. She came at him when he wasn't looking, hit his face, and he gave her a right hook, tried to walk off and a few guys started grabbing onto him.

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              [–]GhostOfAladdin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It is also interesting how the ESPN infotainer didn't realize that he is selling to the mainstream, and not guys like us. It is really hard to watch any ESPN outside of a game.

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              Break the silence, chivalry is shit.

              [–]CallMeMrBadGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes man poor Kellerman. He's actually a pretty standup guy. He should know better though. Though it's just ESPN so fuck them. His gigs are better over at HBO

              [–]waynebradysworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Step 1 - control free speech Step 2 - control all the weapons Step 3 - make people reliant on social programs

              Who followed these steps? 1930s Germany

              Who is following these steps now? Merica

              [–]Obsequiae 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              Is there a link to a news article for this that we can read?

              [–]caveboy77[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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              Oops, first post, i thought the title would link to it. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/espn-suspends-host-domestic-abuse-724380

              [–]regularbowls -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              makes sense when you consider ESPN = Disney

              [–]a_chill_bro -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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              I propose a boycott on ESPN. (I don't even watch sports anyways.)

              If we could only get men organized on a larger scale we could send a serious message. We need to be defending these ESPN hosts. When are we going to go to the next level and actually do something about bullshit like this?

              [–]2jagrmeister721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I totally agree. We can say protests, etc. are pansy stuff because feminists do it but not everything they do is wrong; their methods may be effective even if their ideology is flawed. When ESPN enables a hateful brand of feminism, ie: women can hit us and we can't defend ourselves, that is misandry. We should vote with our actions in the marketplace. I for one am now visiting CBSSports.com instead of ESPN. If enough men re-branded ESPN as a network for manginas, the EStrogen Peddler Network, and flipped the channel, corporations would feel the financial pressure to rethink their decisions. Their 'political' calculations are often just financial ones.

              [–]Moneyley -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              Ima huge boxing fan and enjoy Max's commentary on HBO. I thought maybe the suspension was for him admitting to have struck first. If this was a woman who struck back just the way he did, shed be elevated to news anchor hero. We are taking Ron Burgundy level