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[–]SomebodyCool 51 points52 points  (9 children)

“I think people have less-than-proud moments, sex they wish they wouldn’t have had. That’s the kind of sex we’re trying to prevent, too.”

Yes, I'm sure that if a guy wandered in a campus sexual assault office and reported that he had been raped because he regretted the sex later on, he would totally not be laughed out of the building. Totally.

Also, I'm sure it's totally going to help with the already precarious credibility of sexual assault accusations if it becomes accepted practice to extend the definition to morning-after regret. This will absolutely not cause men to become even more suspicious than they are of rape claims.

Let's tell it like it is: the law is meant to give women, and only women, unambiguous legal power to retroactively withdraw consent. They already somewhat had it, but now it's set down in law.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Yes, I'm sure that if a guy wandered in a campus sexual assault office and reported that he had been raped because he regretted the sex later on, he would totally not be laughed out of the building. Totally.

I think the reason women can do this with such credibility is because of the hamster. The reasoning goes like this:

I should enjoy sex, therefore I want it.

Last night I regret the sex.

If I regret it, I must not have enjoyed it.

If I didn't enjoy it, I must not have wanted it, because I enjoy sex that I want.

Therefore rape.

And they believe it. So they march down to the sexual assault office and genuinely believe they've been wronged. Bad feelings always have an external source and should be avoided at all costs.

Whereas men can't say that with a straight face. We have agency, after all.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

i think the way to fight this is for the men to counter a claim with "i didnt say yes either, so technically I was raped too...i am distraught and i am a victim"..then it'll just turn into a game of "who complained first"

[–]dawg826 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I'm wondering how they'll deal with the "I was raped too" defense. I'm not sure there is any other crime in which both people can both be victims and perpetrators of the exact same crime at the same time. Does it come down to who wanted the sex more? How is this decided?

[–]tallwheel 7 points8 points  (1 child)

By looking at which one has the penis.

[–]dawg826 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup penis=rape. I guess it's not much of a difference from the current system after all.

[–]StatesideKopite 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Ray Rice incident was an example of both parties being found guilty, which is why no charges were brought against Rice.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fisticuffs? Or perhaps the purchase of stolen goods by person C from B, who bought it from A, not knowing he stole it? But then, you have the "in good faith" defense, where the goods are yours if you performed reasonable checks and the trade was performed in normal circumstances.

[–]Elonine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's how it works in the military...

US, anyway....

[–]busior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the only way to win at this game. Abuse the system, report those who did not treat you seriously and make them face ramifications for not accepting it.

[–]Ausfall 109 points110 points  (19 children)

A skit on Chappelle’s Show once centred on Dave Chappelle about to spend the night with a lady friend. Before things get out of hand, he turns over and produces a stack of papers instead of a condom: the Love Contract. He insists this woman must agree to the terms and conditions of their up-and-coming encounter and sign her name here, here and here.

I never thought I’d live to see the day where comedy and parody would become reality.

[–]pissoutofmyass 60 points61 points  (13 children)

Except that she reserves the right to withdraw consent, non-verbally, at any point in time. In other words, she has no obligation to communicate that she has withdrawn her consent.

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    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    What the mother fuck did I just read? I kept waiting for Roosh or one of his ilk to jump out and reveal that to be satire, written by him.

    Nope. That article proposes that evil men are responsible for how she feels, not only the next day, but years from now. Shame on society for letting rapist men violate women while hiding behind the trivial fact that she explicitly and enthusiastically consented, in an ongoing manner.

    [–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'm going to retroactively withdraw consent to my former university. Give me my money back and wipe all my grades, rapists.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Dude, look at this shit:

    This ability for layering, or meta-consent, means that it is possible to agentically consent to having your consent violated.

    Meta-consent? Now you can give consent and it consent can be violated? LOL

    [–]midsummer621 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    I have words, but still cannot express the discomfort I feel at having read that. I would like to take my click back and have that unread from my mind. How dare you violate my mind space like that :-/

    In truth I have never been so happy to be married (to a woman that loves having an Alpha male). What we called a good time in the 90s and 00s would now make me a serial rapist... I honestly feel bad for any potential Alpha males growing up now.

    [–]Ausfall 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I have words, but still cannot express the discomfort I feel at having read that. I would like to take my click back and have that unread from my mind. How dare you violate my mind space like that

    Could it be you're... triggered?

    [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This actually needs some sort of trigger warning: "May not be suitable for individuals who want to keep their sanity or who have the ability of consistent logical thought"

    [–]Here2lrn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    But this is only a problem for someone whose desire to understand consent is primarily focused on how to not get in trouble for violating consent

    Well, maybe if you didn't pull shit like this, I wouldn't feel like that.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This woman does not understand how consent works.

    [–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Holy shit that is scary...

    Also look at these posts: https://archive.today/Un4J2 https://archive.today/D8HqV

    But this one is the worst, look at her reply to the johnathan guy: https://archive.today/DPYmz

    [–]AmazonExplorer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, that's blatantly against the constitution, the federal government would have to intervene

    [–]RobertCarraway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh wretched violation of everything good and holy! What demented filth was that? I can still feel her sickness creeping through my brain. Grab your pitchforks boys. Its time to find this solipsic demon bitch and send her back to hell.

    [–]Elodrian 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Initial here to decline anal, unless....

    [–]youonlylive2wice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Its ok, every one does, its just standard procedure...

    [–]readitmeow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is a short film with a similar premise, but with two lawyers added in the mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--u_puzhGs

    Thought it was pretty hilarious

    [–]GhostOfAladdin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    comedy always teaches us hard truths in a lol manner.

    [–]NietzscheanStoic 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    This shit is truly malicious. Putting a beta in prison for getting laid? The man deserves to be congratulated for pulling his shit together, not imprisoned because some bitch feels sorry about it.

    [–]TheEndlessRumspringa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is probably the stupidest and grossest thing I've ever read. Try not to be such a huge, worthless psychopath and you might get to have a healthy relationship with someone. Fuckin' loser.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 129 points130 points  (34 children)

    A few thoughts.

    One, this whole rape epidemic is white people bullshit. More accurately, well-off White people bullshit. Somehow, HBCU don't have this rape culture issue, and Black students at PWIs (that's primarily White institutions, aka the rest of the higher education establishment) don't have this issue with rape and sexual assault. Throw in the fact that working-class Whites and STEM majors tend not to get caught up in the BS of drinking culture, and you have a problem dominated by well-off liberal arts majors. Most of the media comes from well-off liberal arts majors. Coincidence? I think not.

    Two, we know good and well that rapists are both relatively rare and tend to have a lot of victims. Check out this story for a good example of how this works in the real world.. While there are a lot of rapes, there aren't a lot of rapists. When you actually bother to test rape kits, this pattern is clear, and prior research is born out. Yet governments throughout the US have to go out and beg private donors to test these kits and to figure out ways to question traumatized rape victims that both doesn't scare them off and allows cops to get enough evidence to get a conviction.

    So, we have a well-defined issue with rape in America. We have a pretty good handle on what the problem actually looks like. The problem is that there's little interest in funding stuff that works, and most of it is being done by feminists who have to beg, borrow and steal to actually protect women. There's also a bit of nasty history about using sex crime laws to get rid of people they don't particularly care for. As Amanda Marcotte said, this law only counts when there are actual rape complaints. Wanna guess who are going to be the subject of these complaints? I don't know, but we can safely guess that elite men will be able to duck this. Heck, I personally think we have better-than-even odds that this law might actually increase rapes. Once predators know they aren't in the target demo for this law, they'll be able to act with impunity.

    All of this to say that this law is BS, and it has some real potential for holding down men who aren't "alpha" enough in a woman's eyes. That 90/10 movement is REAL.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 44 points45 points  (6 children)

    s Amanda Marcotte said, this law only counts when there are actual rape complaints. Wanna guess who are going to be the subject of these complaints? I don't know, but we can safely guess that elite men will be able to duck this. Heck, I personally think we have better-than-even odds that this law might actually increase rapes. Once predators know they aren't in the target demo for this law, they'll be able to act with impunity.

    Rapists are already not getting consent. This is a nonsense concept- yes means yes- because it does nothing to prevent rape.

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    [–]thetenman 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    it does if you redefine 'rape' as any sexual act where every aspect of the act was not consented to prior to it occurring.

    [–]dawg826 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Redefining rape to be something that every human being does (fuck without yammering about consent every 10 seconds) in fact increases the amount of "rape". None of it even matters if consent can be retroactively withdrawn. You can get a yes for every little thing (and still get laid against all odds) and she could still say it was rape afterward. Fuck I would bet it would be more likely because she would realize what an epic beta you are and be disgusted with herself.

    [–]AngraMainyuu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Thus this law "increases" rape, and furthers their claim about how rampant it is. More measures will be taken, and things will keep getting worse. Give feminists an inch, and they'll take a mile, then complain you didn't give them two. Seen too many times recently.

    [–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Not only that, at the end of the day it's still going to come down to "he said she said" in court. Nothing has changed. Any man educated about this law will simply respond, "I asked her, she said yes. Several times."

    [–]Adolf_ghandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If anything it promotes actual rapes. If the law gets more ridiculous any individual that is smart enough to acknowledge that it is rape by definition will probably think. "Why put up with all the hassle? I am stronger and faster!"

    [–]12ToneRow 68 points69 points  (8 children)

    I have to agree. This is something only bored white women could come up with. Feminism in the US has always been defined by white women with daddy's money

    [–]DevonAero 23 points24 points  (6 children)

    I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I honestly don't understand how feminism is still a thing in the modern day United States. The only place it would even make sense is in less developed countries where women are ACTUALLY being held down because of their gender.

    However here in America (and most developed countries), a woman can do practically anything a guy can do in terms of careers and whatnot. Hell, women are held on a pedestal and encouraged to do better than men. Especially since the US is more liberal and accepting than ever.

    I'm starting to think most of the modern "feminist problems" (ie the whole "I need feminism because.." thing) are just 1st World Problems and excuses to blame everyone else for their problems besides themselves.

    But, that's just my opinion though.

    [–]TheGoldenCaulk[🍰] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Feminism is one big shit test, filled with smaller shit tests. And the modern American male population is a big ol' beta

    [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Well I think it's actually more to it than that. Feminism, and Women's Lib movements, were mostly banked rolled by large bankers and corporations.

    Get women out of the house and you can have your kids raised by the television and wider media.

    Feminism's goal is to destroy the traditional family, which gets in the way of the brainwashing of youth. No family around to check what you're taking in (mentally, emotionally, etc) and the media machine is able to tell you whatever they want.

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      [–]mrheh 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I've actually noticed most Asian American women and men in my school are some of the most out spoken feminists.

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Depends on what part of the country you're in. I bet you're West of the Rockies.

      [–]youonlylive2wice 25 points26 points  (5 children)

      I think you make some good points however, I think the real issue is language, poor communication, and victim blaming. Look at that, I used their words against them.

      Namely our inability to define rape and the media's desire to paint all rapes as equal and blaming the man for the faults of the woman.

      We're really bad about using the same word for way too many scenarios and while people are now using "sexual assault" everyone still mentally applies the term rape there... Which then gets associated w/ a physically violent, Lifetime movie situation. In one situation rape is about power, in the other, "rape" is about wanting to have sex with someone else and has no sinister motive. Why do we treat them the same?

      But a case where two parties are drunk and therefore the ability to consent is "questionable" (drunk people do things they wouldn't sober, stop giving them excuses and teach them personal accountability in their sex lives just like you do when it comes to drunk driving!) is very different than everyone's nightmare of grabbing a girl in a dark alley.

      When she goes home w/ you and is giving you a blowie and you tell her to climb on top and she does, but for some reason in the back of her head she does so "because she feels like she has no other choice" it gets called rape and assumed you held her down and fucked her against her will.

      The article talks about how this wouldn't be a problem if we were more freely open about discussing sexual preferences, and shes right about this, but she's victim blaming here. Namely blaming the guy for not knowing what the girl wanted. Much like it is the rapists fault for throwing a girl in a van, regardless of what she is wearing, it is the womans fault for not making her objections or desires known at the time.

      In the 2nd scenario, she could claim rape and at the very least get a guy kicked out of school, even though you had "nonverbal" consent... she did it willingly and voluntarily but she FEELS coerced and therefore the guy is at fault? Fucks sake, she could have even said yes and claim that she felt coerced and still blame the guy. Fuck that, stop victim blaming the guy!

      And stop encouraging naivety among women. If he's buying you drinks and hitting on you, he's probably trying to fuck you. If you have no intention of fucking him, she should say so from the start, otherwise its on the table. Yeah, she'll lose her free drink cow for the night, welcome to being an adult. No I don't expect you to fuck me for $30 in drinks, but I'm certainly not wasting my night on a chick who openly has no desire... See the communication card is on her, not him. He made his intent very clear, she chose to ignore it and never communicate hers, stop blaming the guy for her inability to communicate.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Requiring that women accede to using open communication requires them both to go against their passive communicative nature and their innate hypo-agency. Won't ever happen. Not unless it's forced upon them at a young age.

      [–]youonlylive2wice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      And thus the reason I called it victim blaming. The man is being blamed for the womans problem / inability to communicate.

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      And stop encouraging naivety among women. If he's buying you drinks and hitting on you, he's probably trying to fuck you. If you have no intention of fucking him, she should say so from the start, otherwise its on the table. Yeah, she'll lose her free drink cow for the night, welcome to being an adult. No I don't expect you to fuck me for $30 in drinks, but I'm certainly not wasting my night on a chick who openly has no desire... See the communication card is on her, not him. He made his intent very clear, she chose to ignore it and never communicate hers, stop blaming the guy for her inability to communicate.

      You've hit on something that this hinges on...communication. FWIW, I personally use the whole yes-means-yes standard for communication. It cuts down on flakes and saves me some trouble with women. (Trust me, I've been forced to use someone's yes with witnesses against them when they're tried to accuse me of trying to force myself onto someone.) There's a huge gap between a worthwhile societal goal and a law. Only one has legal consequences.

      There seems to be a certain naivete about how open people are about communication. Forcing people to talk between under the threat of expulsion from school and possible arrest doesn't seem like a friendly way to encourage better communication about sex.

      [–]youonlylive2wice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yep. Honestly the "yes means yes" philosophy works very well with red pill philosophy. State your intentions early and get buy in, otherwise move on. This directness also displays a self confidence which is exactly what she wants in the first place and can often turn a meek "i guess" to a "yes please"

      Beyond that, the real take away from all of this is... DO NOT HOOK UP WITH SOMEONE FROM YOUR SCHOOL. If the person is from a different campus, then the Title IX kangaroo court is removed and it is a purely legal issue (not a good scenario but a better one).

      [–]DexterousRichard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Key insight. Only go out with or fuck girls from a different school.

      [–]Gold_Mouth 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      I realized this a while back. You never hear about this kind of shit from anybody but well-off white women. This is just what happens when people don't have anything better to complain about.

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        [–]Gold_Mouth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Of course. Basically people who want to create problems for themselves because they want to be part of an "oppressed" group for some reason.

        [–]BCFtrip 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The self flagellating white left are a different ethnic group at this point. Blue pill STEM worshippers working to cure the ills of society that other people told them about.

        [–]Agharta15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Someone throw this man a trophy. Brilliant.

        Edit: didn't see it.

        [–]Settlethefuckdown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        White liberal bullshit

        FTFY

        [–]25russianbear25 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        what is 90/10 movement rule?

        [–]BluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        20% of the men get 80% of the pussy.

        The poster is suggesting with the betafication of society, if all the BP men try to actually follow this law and get consent at every stage, the ratio will turn into 10% of the men get 90% of the pussy.

        That is the real goal and this is yet another attempt to optimize female hypergamy.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And 10% of men will be rapists.

        [–]25russianbear25 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        thanks, that rule is very true. Do you have a TL;DR for this article?

        is there a new actual law?

        [–]rem0nster 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Basically 90% of the women are sleeping with 10% of the men. Anecdotal evidence but you always know that one friend that has nailed all the chicks you know.

        [–]Hoodwink 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Just like to add that it's also scientifically supported. It's more like 70/30 though.

        But that was self-reported. And there's a well-known bias of upping the counts in men and dismissing in female counts. (The numbers aren't equal as well.)

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 43 points44 points  (5 children)

        Rugby players, theater kids, frat brothers, and hipsters—of all races, sexual orientations, and genders—were calmly discussing what sex acts they’d like to try: a threesome, a bathroom quickie, sex on the kitchen counter.

        Finally negotiating sex like civilized egalitarians in our equal society. I'm guessing the women there were totally gung-ho with performing the acts afterwards... no?

        This is just another pit stop in the feminist crusade against male sexual freedom and choice. Further expanding the definition of rape and opening choices for women while limiting options and freedom for men.

        There's nothing new here. This is feminism unchecked. This is exactly what we predicted.

        [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        It reads like some boring script and takes away all the fun of having sex in the moment. "Hey, so how would you like sex tomorrow at 5 in the bathroom? Oh, you don't want to do that? Okay, let's try on the counter sometime in the morning? Great! Okay, so let's first start with you sitting on the counter, then I'm going turn you around and fuck you from behind if that's okay with you. Oh it is? Great! Tomorrow morning it is then! Also, shoot me a text message later today if you have any changes to our itinerary. I don't want to get taken away in the moment and do something we didn't agree on beforehand. Thank you for letting me have sex with you."

        [–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This sounds like something you'd say in an "agree an amplify" scenario. You could say stuff like that and pull a lay depending on your tone etc, it's just far from ideal...

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Playing devil's advocate, I'm wondering how influenced these bills are by the kink and swing communities. I'm currently involved to a certain extent in the former, dabble in the latter, and this is EXACTLY how it works within these scenes. You don't just walk up to someone and beat them or tie them up (or at least that would be clearly illegal and get you on BDSM shit lists for a 200 mile radius). You discuss everything you want to do clearly and explicitly, make sure you know the other person's limits, get a feel for their personality, THEN play, constantly checking in to make sure they're still with it.

        The problem is that even within these scenes, shit goes wrong. There's still regret. There are still issues. Nothing is perfect. And this is among people who have willingly acculturated to such an environment. Do you think some college kids who barely started fucking a couple of years ago are going to be able to negotiate that explicitly? I'm not sure how realistic this is from a legal standpoint, even though I'm with it from a personal perspective.

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I think the BDSM and Kink communities are more explicit because of the nature of how kinks work- that is, unless I tell you I want something, you'd never guess I would want it. I mean, you probably wouldn't even bring a cake to bed let alone shove your tits in it unless I told you I was into that sort of thing.

        My general feeling is that these people are pushing their sexual boundaries to get their kicks, and are harder to please with fewer options for people who could please them, therefore they must be less discriminating and more up front. It would make sense that they're not waiting around for the mating dance to commence when the end goal is, "will you be into stringing me up and pretending I'm a little school girl.."

        I don't think the question of consent really arose because of this, the question of limits and boundaries came up. Some people like it really extreme, but you need to know who likes what.

        This still has no place in the lives of people who prefer the mating dance, which is in diametric opposition to explicitness.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Excellent point. I'm not disagreeing with you as much as wondering if the people who thought of this are coming from such a different mindset from the average person as to be completely lost. There have also been discussions on various comment boards on how this law at least trends towards kink.

        [–]WarmApfelPi 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        Then it'll turn into yes means yes if i dont change my mind. I know i said yes last night or 5 years ago but i didnt mean it. I was raped!

        [–]NietzscheanStoic 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        Wow! Feminism is fucking magic! It can alter reality and history!

        [–]1kick6 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Translation: "we're trying to insulate women from all possible consequences of of their actions. Ever."

        THIS is what the feminism movement is all about. When some useful idiot tries to tell you that it's about equality...be sure to laugh in their face.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Feminism is simply attempting to remove responsibility and agency from women.

        It gave women rights, and women fucked up with them. So now it's attempting to remove responsibility for those rights.

        No society has successfully given women agency. It's a shame we refuse to learn from history and keep repeating it.

        [–]MagnanimousGenius 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        I always think that the girls who buy into this way of thinking really wouldn't be worth the fuck anyway. Imagine how awful and mundane the sex would be

        [–]NietzscheanStoic 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Nah, it allows women who believe they have tarnished their status by sleeping with a beta to remove the blemish from her record by having the poor son of a bitch imprisoned for rape.

        Further, it allows whores to write off the 800 cocks she's had in her as "rape". YOU CAN'T CALL ME A WHORE! I WAS RAPED 800 TIMES!

        That's all this is.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Here is the real problem. This law is practically a recepie for radicalizing the white middle/upper class who are the work horses of society. So now instead of driving the economy, you have smart capable men excluded from it for no good reason. What will these men do with their time, energy and intellect?:lash out against the same people that ruined their lives.

        [–]jelloba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        We'll have a new American Revolution on out hands in a few decades, at this rate.

        [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Maybe it's time for me to get back in the pimping business. I can see a very large growing customer-base.

        [–]Douknowthemulletman 8 points9 points  (4 children)

        Damn, they'll get mad at the right for being too religious then force you to be abstinent and punish you severly if you don't act the way they want.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        The funny/sad part us that the right-wingers are A-OK with the BS. It accomplishes the same goals they've always wanted, but gives them feminist cover. Win-win.

        [–]usul1628 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Depends on the conservative in question. She's the first one I've seen who feels that way, but I tend to tread in the libertarian leaning circles. This is typical of what I've seen

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        FWIW, I tend to lean cosmolibertarian, and I got the link from an article in Reason. Even though they're more feminist-friendly (like myself personally), they can see the potential fuckshit this law will cause. Even Thoughts On Liberty, an all-woman libertarian blog, is demanding standard legal protections (e.g. counsel, self-incrimination, cross-examination and the like) need to be given to the accused.

        [–]DexterousRichard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah, I'm an extreme right wing fascist / new right type and i think the view there is that this is all bullshit, BUT what we should be doing is having parents and schools raise girls not to be sluts, and put some fucking barriers there like we used to have (separate dorms, dorm mothers, etc) to keep the count down and make sure these girls remain marriageable.

        [–]CriticalThink 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        This is just another push to bring females into a dominant role in our society and not the equality that most feminists tend to claim they want. In the "yes means yes" movement, men will be placed in a submissive position by asking for the authority to have sex from a woman. Pair this with the tendency of men to be more indefatigable in pursuing sexual activity and a harsh punishment for not being explicitly told "Yes, I want to have sex with you", and we will see men in a pseudo-slave state just to satiate their desires.

        Mark my words: if this movement gains any real traction in our nation, we are going to see a lot more men in prison for noncrimes than we already do. I guess perhaps the powers-that-be are going to want to fill the gap in their prisons with something since the War on Drugs is winding down to a close. If "yes means yes" becomes commonplace in our society, I would guess that perhaps the authorities figured it's time to wage a war on men.

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          [–]DexterousRichard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yes. Spring break moves to Thailand man. The guys just have to keep it in their pants until the next trip...

          [–]Johnny_Fake-Name 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I've been packed and ready for years...

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            [–]codemoney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            less-than-proud moments, sex they wish they wouldn’t have had.”

            Everybody has had 'less-than-proud' moments about everything they have done. It's called experience.

            [–]mctoasterson 5 points6 points  (4 children)

            Some campuses are taking it to extremes on this policy idea - and from a purely legal standpoint one can see why. It is to their advantage to pacify the loudest complaints, to stay out of the news, and to practice extreme "CYA".

            The implications are fucking ridiculous however.

            I was taking one online graduate/professional development course this semester and was required to complete a one hour training on the new policy guidelines for preventing sexual violence, otherwise my course credit/enrollment would be null and void. Keep in mind I am an online only student who will never set foot on campus.

            Anyway, one of the parts of the required course gave examples of "sexual violence". It gave an example of "John asks Sue out a few times. She tells him she isn't interested. Later he brings flowers and chocolates to her dorm room and asks her again. This is sexual violence because she had already said she wasn't interested in dating John."

            It's not enough to just say, "there will be harsh legal and academic penalties for rape." Colleges are literally being pressured to discourage what used to be considered normal contact, because that's just safer from a legal and bureaucratic standpoint.

            [–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Really? Can you provide any link for that? Complete insanity

            [–]1critter_about_towne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Seconded. Both that it's fucking insanity, and that a source for that would be greatly appreciated... I want to have something to show others when I make the argument that this insanity actually exists (most people I know would not believe this could ever be true).

            [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Though that is a good lesson though. If a woman says no, next her. Move on to someone who wants you. :)

            [–]battlefatigue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            California State University, is committed to a community free from sexual assault and violence. In compliance with national and local regulations and policies, each student is required to complete Haven Sexual Assault Prevention Training, an online program that provides important information about sexual assault prevention and awareness, as well bystander intervention strategies.

            The training module consists of two parts. Part one will take approximately one hour to complete. Students will be able to take the training in multiple sessions, if they so wish. All students are required to complete the first portion of the training by November 4th.

            Twenty-five days after completion of part one, each student will receive an email invitation to complete a brief follow-up session, which will take approximately 15 minutes. When the follow-up portion has been completed, the course has officially been completed. Please note that you cannot take part 1 and part 2 in one sitting. The earlier you complete part 1, the sooner you will have access to part 2 and officially complete the training.

            All program responses are strictly confidential. CSU personnel will not see any of your answers, and will only be told when you have completed the course and the follow-up. Each student must complete the entire course.

            To begin the sexual assault prevention training, please follow the instructions below.

            You may access the course beginning October 15, 2014 You can access Haven at the following link: http://www20.csueastbay.edu/af/departments/risk-management/risk/titleix/havenstudenttraining.html Log in using your CSUEB Net ID and password You will need to complete Part 1 (approximately 1 hour) by November 4, 2014 Approximately 25 DAYS later, you will receive an automated email asking you to complete the course. At this time, you will need to log in again to complete Part 2, which takes 15 minutes Only once you have finished Part 2 have you completed the program

            I'll post what the online course is about when I get to it.

            [–]razikain 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            That's the kind of thing that really, really discourages me from even approaching women. I read some RP stuff here now and then, and while I like and am trying to adopt the whole self-improvement part, I want to get further and further away from ever getting into a relationship and focus on my hobbies and interests instead.

            [–]Cacciaguida 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            nothing wrong with MGTOW, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

            [–]username1153 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Is this a war on beta males, alpha males, or men in general?

            It is often said that women mostly feel spite for guys that revealed themselves to be actual betas. But what about feeling spite for alpha males who only pump and dumped them?

            Women are not very good planners and projectors, so it is possible that sex with an Alpha male only ends up in them feeling worthless if the guy doesn't end up providing some sort of commitment.

            If that is the case then I don't think the top 10% is completely safe either. Maybe the guys that will be safe are the ones Alpha enough to get sex, but no too Alpha to want to just pump and dump.

            [–]TheRedAlt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            This shit is getting out of hand.

            [–]Areimanes 10 points11 points  (2 children)

            “Our feeling is, no, you should not want to have sex with someone who you just spent half an hour badgering about it…what could be more clear-cut than having sex with people who actually want to have sex with you?”

            They must really think low of people (read: women) if you can just badger them into sex. Trust me, I tried in my beta days. That's not possible.

            Because the first six weeks of school are when freshmen women are most likely to be raped or experience attempted rape—a period called the “red zone”—it’s important to have these conversations as soon as possible.

            What in the actual fuck? Leaving aside the fact that they're once again talking about rape as being just a female issue, they don't even define rape properly.

            Hell, it's gotten to the point for me now when I hear a woman was raped, that I immediately think she's faking it.

            Thanks feminism.

            [–]Red_King_Rising 17 points18 points  (0 children)

            The first six weeks aka before they know who is alpha and who is not.

            [–]leamdav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Because women would never regret sex with an alpha, is what you are implying.

            [–]wurding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Aronowitz...ripping on catholics....le clapping hands cowboy

            [–]DontEatTheDaisies 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            So... what's to stop males on campus from accusing females? RP some of them up and cause a little chaos.

            [–]Lancestrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The fact that you will have every man woman and dog laughing at your face. Welcome to a modern society

            [–]Facednectar 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            What the fucking hell is this. I'm a senior in college and have had my fair share of "questionable" drunken hook ups, where I hooked up with a girl who I probably wouldn't of if I wasn't super drunk. I never think the next day, "I was fucking raped!!!!". Classic hamstering of not wanting to take responsibility for your actions. God this makes me sick to my stomach

            [–]TheEndlessRumspringa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            I'm sure most people don't think they were raped.

            [–]Facednectar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Maybe they don't believe they were actually raped...but if they feel guilty about it or maybe their friends find out and look down upon them, they might use the "I was raped or taken advantage of" excuse. You'd be surprised man...and I'm sure men AND women have done this, and it is a terrible to do to the other person.

            [–]TheEndlessRumspringa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I think you guys think it's far more prevalent than it actually is. Also, you should really find a new group to be apart of too. I just came across /r/theredpill doing some research on the 'yes means yes' law for a school paper, and I got to tell you, this place is super gross. Nobody who is interested in having a healthy relationship with someone is going to gain anything from the advice and attitudes around here. Good luck!

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            the law isn’t about legislating individual bedroom behavior, but rather challenging traditional sexual dynamics

            But that's exactly what it does. That what passing legislation means. If you want to challenge something, talk about it.

            The problem with all this is women are usually reluctant to express desire for sex out of fear of appearing slutty. The law seems to be aiming to deliberately exploit this cultural reality to turn innocent men into "rapists". Why? God only knows.

            Whats so onerous about teaching women to say no and putting the onus on them to do so? It would prevent a lot more regretful sex than the all sex is rape approach, but it would feminazis all frothy at the mouth which is apparently more important to avoid.

            [–]sam_sing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            This reminds me of this chapelle clip "love contract"

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydk8nxSgnB4&feature=player_detailpage#t=23

            Still relevant 11 years later...

            [–]ekjohnson9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Fuck that it's more relevant.

            [–]Lok_Die 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            There is no bright side to this.

            Alphas will be outed, as they are the only ones worth sex, thus decreasing our value as there is less mystery. They will catalouge us. Know our names, our stories, all of our past encounters and problems.

            Then times where we are weak or under performing, they will "regret" what happened, claim rape, and we're fucked. Especially since it will be easier to sift out the men with game.

            This is not favorable to anyone in the least.

            [–]TheEndlessRumspringa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            So does everyone consider themselves a "beta" on this subreddit? Sorry, new here and it's one of the darkest places on the internet.

            [–]GhostOfAladdin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            this is going to figuratively castrate young males. what ever happened to the role of family guidance?

            [–]LeeryLucifer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah. Again I would say: Don't spend time working your ass off getting into the pants of stuck-up bitches. Just buy a hooker. Cheaper, faster, no drama.

            [–]Surf_Or_Die 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Last weekend I banged a girl. When we were done fucking I slapped her on the ass and said "get me some water woman". She responded "I really shouldn't, but I like it when you call me that".

            Now I've known for a while that this red pill shit works wonders but I've never had it spelled out to me like that.

            Do you think she would have banged me if I had asked her to sign some legal papers first? Not gonna happen unless your name is Brad Pitt, you look like Brad Pitt, you're as famous as Brad Pitt and you have as much money as Brad Pitt. So it's not gonna happen, unless you ARE Brad Pitt.

            [–]rainbowhotpocket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I guess on the bright side, the 20/80 rule will become more like the 10/90 rule.

            Ehh I doubt that 1/2 of the 20% are gonna abide by this..

            [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            How about you dont police peoples action for them, eh? I mean, fuck, this is helicopter parenting at a mid level with just this example. Wkth other laws, they become the most extreme example I can think of.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I guess I kind of sidestepped all of this bullshit as a young buck in part because I always preferred getting a BJ over sex. Because of this: 1. I nearly always asked a chick or made the suggestion before the act 2. She either answered in the affirmative or initated the act 3. Pregnancy was never a risk 4. Lower STD risk than vaginal intercourse 5. Strong power dynamics at play from non-reciprocal oral sex. 6. Because she was the active participant and I was the passive one it would have been harder for her to later hamster that I had "raped" her in the event that she experienced regret.

            I highly recommend BJs over sex in this increasingly draconian atmosphere.

            [–]toysjoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            So if I buy a surfboard even though I don't surf because I thought it looked cool, then I regretted buying it when my landlord is kicking me out because I couldn't pay the rent because I spent all my money on buying a surfboard, I should sue the sales associate at the watersports shop to pay all my bills?

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Pretty fucked up. If self-responsibility can't prevent "regret sex" then nothing can.

            This law will only cause men to seek sex with women who aren't going to fuck them over somewhere else.

            [–]bama79rolltide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Young men, on the other hand, are too misguided and inexperienced and bluepill.

            Close. I think now it becomes a legal issue. I see a lot of indecisiveness now. The ball is not in the man's court now. Especially with these ads during NFL games, essentially cockblocking.

            I advise any man in college to let those college sluts get so thirsty for cock that they feel like they are in the desert. DO NOT GIVE THEM DRINK.

            [–]aa223 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            The yes means yes law will only hurt women. We can get tail elsewhere from willing and able women.

            [–]HalfwySandwch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I dunno, being thrown out of college with no evidence already hurts men, now it will be worse.

            [–]aa223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yeah it will hurt and I can only imagine the chaos. However, this will spawn gender only colleges and the backlash will be big from this. If anything, this law will upset rapists because it proves rape isn't being taken seriously.

            [–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Feels good too know that I've never had sex with any fat chicks. I've simply been raped.

            [–]razometer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's almost as if they want to legally stop Betas from procreating. What they're really saying is that women are too dumb to know what they're doing, so society should dictate who's allowed to fuck and who isn't. Except that all women are allowed, and only the top men have a shot at them. Smart from their POV, but of course they'll deny it categorically. Kids these days....

            [–]Theropost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don't date feminists. On the first date I ensure I test their feminist agenda's with some RedPill facts and see how they respond. It works well, you weed out the worst ones and keep the good ones.

            My current girlfriend is great; 3 times a night sometimes, and she is still ready for more.

            [–]BetterToBeFeared -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            A side note - how come whenever I read these "articles" and blog posts and I scroll to the bottom to see who the author was it's always some gross busted chick?