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[–][deleted] 344 points345 points  (32 children)

"Women are the primary victims of war". Fucking lol

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 203 points204 points  (6 children)

Men are disposable.

Man loses his life in war. Woman loses her primary source of income and validation. Obviously the woman is the victim.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 48 points49 points  (4 children)

How is it a problem of the man. He is dead and has nothing to worry about /s

[–]SladeSampson 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If only there were a system in place that helped these poor women, financially. We could call it survivor benefits or something similar.

[–]CptDefB 26 points27 points  (10 children)

At least 15 former US military will end up taking their own lives today... and that's conservative because I don't have an exact figure, but am aware it's usually in the 20s. Per. Day.

Fuck Hilary.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

What's the ratio to suicide in the general population?

[–]Lreme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

About 3200 per day. Military is twice as high as average. LGBTQ in military three times as high. According to http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#Subgroups

[–]pizzamike64 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great question. Statistics mean nothing without context. 20 a day? Is that more or less than others?

[–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck Hilary.

How about a pudgy intern instead

[–]CriticalThink 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Yeah, pay no mind to those men who are losing their lives, their arms, their legs, and their sanity. If you consider them to be victims, you're nothing more than a misogynistic pig.

[–]21kasvoinenmies 26 points27 points  (2 children)

There's gotta be privilege somewhere in there!

[–]richardleosimones 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm trying to check it, I promise!

[–]ibuprofiend 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I think the takeaway here isn't that she's an insane feminazi, but that she's a cold, soulless politician who will say and do anything to gain power. The scary part isn't that she's a woman, it's that she's a power-hungry robot.

[–]j-pHil 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Men are the primary tools and victims of war.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because while men are forced to risk their lives... The poor women back home are having such hard time watching over the kids while their being protected..and what are they ever going to do with that extra tax free paycheck daddy is sending home? ...lol

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Former Marine and Afghanistan veteran here. After hearing of all my buddies girlfriends/wives cheating and leaving because they can't hang, while we hump loads up to 135# in 115 degree weather longer than your 9-5, get shot at, occasionally watch a friend die,having infidelity creep into your mind while you try to get 3 hours of sleep, then come home suicidal because no one understands or cares what you've been through, fuck you women.

"women are the primary victims of war"

I believe women truly are the primary victims, because obviously men aren't eligible for victimization. You have to be a human being for that. Only women are human beings nowadays. We're just 'machines'

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In fairness to Hillary Clinton (unexpected sentences for $400, Alex...) the kinds of men who get killed in wars aren't even on her radar. Men like her hubby Bill are far too smart, too ruthless, and most of all too privileged to ever get caught up in a combat situation. Can you imagine Hillary's reaction to her little twat dropping Chelsea marrying an enlisted member of the armed forces?

[–]Glenbert 90 points91 points  (19 children)

And finally, this supposed "feminist" is still married to Bill Clinton.

[–]netgrey 59 points60 points  (9 children)

Once she finally gets to the presidency she can discard him. Maybe her second term she can be the first lesbian president!

[–]SaiyanPrince_Vegeta 38 points39 points  (1 child)

You must be new to politics if you think they're together for love. At their age and with their power its all just a facade. They don't need to separate they already live separate lives.

[–]PhilipeNegro 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you - Bill was a bright redneck who married into the Rodhams, who've been rich since they were in England (pre-Revolution). She has no need for his charisma, anymore.

Now she wants a crown of her own, to sit atop her dry cunt.

[–]CrimsonTideCosby 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Agreed. She clung onto him early knowing he was going places. And she knew she had to keep him around until she reached the presidency because she couldn't make it without him.

[–]TimPartendale 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Hillary Clinton and German Chancellor Merkel are getting it on in the Oval Office.

[–]InferiousX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Back when I used to browse the PUA forums, there was a guy who claimed he had first hand knowledge that Hillary was no stranger to the ladies. Wouldn't shock me for a second.

[–]cra1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is related to why I won't be voting for her. I believe the first female president will be a momentous and historical occasion. If Hillary ends up in that role there will always be that asterisk next to her in the history books, that maybe she is only a figure in national politics because of the prior political career of her husband.

This would send a horrible message to impressionable young women that the way to become POTUS is to seek out the political genius of your generation and get married to him, and ride his coattails to national political power.

Any observer who isn't a shitlord can see how problematic this is.

[–]Rhodos 56 points57 points  (16 children)

Once again, don't listen to what she says, look at what she does. Hillary is not a feminist, nor a socialist. She's actually a corporatist, a rich woman who despises the poor. Case in point: she bitches about college tuition, how it's so expensive and how it hurts young females, but she charges $250k/speech on college campuses. If she's elected, she's gonna do Jack Shit for the middle class. That's the biggest problem with her.

[–]frequentlywrong 29 points30 points  (10 children)

She's actually a corporatist

Just like every other possible candidate.

[–]1xwm 11 points12 points  (7 children)

This is why I don't really bother voting. Every option is as bad as the last.

Well why not vote for third parties?

Because they're too idealistic to make an impact at best. At worst, they're outright batshit insane. Also, there's almost no chance of them being elected anyway.

Then why do you run for office and fix things yourself?

They don't elect people under thirty with no degree, etc. Even if I dropped everything and made it my dream, my odds of being elected into a position where I could do anything myself would be a joke.

This is why I am leaning towards abandoning the US as soon as is feasibly possible for me (unless something drastically changes)

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    [–]1xwm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    That's like saying a vote for a write in is better than not voting.

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      [–]1xwm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Most American voters don't care about what is "right" or "good", they cheer for their party like they do their favorite sports team.

      Or vote for the guy they could "have a beer with" or whatever other nonsense. It is amazing how few people actually look at the issues involved.

      For that matter, most of the issues are nonsense thrown out to get people emotionally riled. Personally, while I do have opinions on all of them, I do not give a shit about most political platforms. Gay marriage? Go for it, but it doesn't really affect me. Abortion? Pro choice, but again, I don't really give a shit. Legalizing weed? That latest dick pic/prostitution/saluting with a coffee cup "scandal"? I COULD NOT FUCKING CARE LESS.

      When it comes to the issues I care about? An open internet freed from surveillance? A re-haul of the public school systems to support critical thinking over rote memorization? The outlawing of legalized bribes through lobbying? The shit that is actually important me barely gets a peep

      But yes, I don't trust most of my fellow Americans with a cup of hot coffee, let alone the decision who runs the country.

      [–]ibuprofiend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I agree... I'm not scared about her beliefs, I'm scared that she has no real principles except a hunger for power. She's the quintessential soulless politician.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (5 children)

      Lets not forget that Hillary and Joe Biden supported the defense of marriage act in 1996. Then later declared themselves progay when they repealed thier own law.

      [–]1redpillbanana[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Shh! Don't ask, don't tell.

      Seriously, thanks for bringing this up - I had no idea.

      [–]charlesbukowksi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Isn't this exactly what you want in a peacetime politician? Someone who channels the Overton window. I could understand wanting an uncompromising Stalin or Roosevelt during crisis but that's a rather grim outlook of our near future, no?

      [–]bluedrygrass 120 points121 points  (89 children)

      She will win. She's the most popular candidate, and the only female one. She'll be backed with immense power by the entire democrat wing, the female side, the pro-feminist side. All the medias will be swinging on her (lack of) nuts.

      After the first half-black president of the history, people will mass vote for her to have the first female president of the history.

      [–]1renzy77 41 points42 points  (40 children)

      Agreed, as Jack Donovan states in WHY WE NEED HILLARY:

      Unless an HIV-positive transsexual CEO with multiple sclerosis un-stones Excalibur, no one can compete with Hillary’s story.

      Hillary Clinton is the next big “civil rights” story. Now that Americans have had their Black president, the media will need some big story to get excited about so that 2016 can be another “groundbreaking” and “historic” election. Progressives, after all, want to show “progress.” THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is a no-brainer. The headlines will write themselves.

      However, as the title of the article hints, maybe Hillary getting elected will finally wake a lot of BP men out of their stupor:

      President Hillary Clinton will reveal to American men that America is no longer a nation that elevates rugged cowboys and pioneers. That’s the bad, old America. The new America wants its men emasculated, weak, and completely controlled by a corporate-owned state that’s far more concerned with the wants of acquisitive career gals. Who better than Hillary Clinton to put the “nanny” in “nanny state?”

      The Hillary Clinton Presidency will drive home the fact that America isn’t “our” country anymore.

      We just live here.

      [–]1sailorJery 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      Jack Donovan is oversimplifying the who shebang. She was a "shoe in" before Obama showed up last time right?

      [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Different time. That was 2008, when race > gender in terms of social issues.

      Now that we've had a black president, they're going to want a woman.

      [–]Areimanes 70 points71 points  (18 children)

      Not just that, if the Republicans are going to be attacking her the media will claim they're 'sexist' and 'attacking all women'. You can't win against that. Feelz > Reelz.

      I sometimes wish I was a Liberal so I, too, could make easy emotional arguments and laugh my way to the bank. Alas.

      Promise free stuff and let the 'rich' pay for it. An easy way to buy votes from dumb and/or poor people. You can't blame the poor for voting in their best interest, much like you can't blame the rich to vote to keep more of their own money from the ever increasing consumption of the state.

      However, there will always be more poor people than rich people.

      As Margaret Thatcher said: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

      Democrats would rather slice the cake differently than increase the size of said cake.

      [–]Just_Like_You 23 points24 points  (13 children)

      I sometimes wish I was a Liberal so I, too, could make easy emotional arguments and laugh my way to the bank. Alas.

      Both major parties do this, silly. Unless you're a member of a third party then your party makes very few logical or rational arguments.

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R 6 points7 points  (11 children)

      Unless you're a member of a third party then your party makes very few logical or rational arguments.

      Many of the libertarians I know are actually pretty rational.

      [–]prettylatebloomer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Republican/Democrat. Pretty sure that makes libertarian a third party. Many libertarians support Republicans over Democrats simply because it seems to be the lesser of two evils. US politics is a fucking horror show

      [–]Xiamon 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Libertarians are not republicans. They tend to vote republican, as it's the lesser of two evils in their eyes, but his statement still stands.

      [–]1sailorJery 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      The GOP just has to run a candidate who isn't absolute garbage like they have the last two presidential elections.

      [–]EasyChief 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      To be honest, you probably have to be absolute garbage to be vetted by the GOP. Their problem is they're so obsessed with being the complete opposite of the democrats that they alienate moderate conservatives.

      [–]TravtheCoach 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Much the same as anyone not voting for Obama was a giant bigoted racist in the last two elections.

      [–]SupALupRT 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      I think you underestimate how soured people are on dems after Obamas debacle. Why do you think theres the huge push for amnesty? They need those illegal votes. The pendulum just swings back and forth because both sides are greedy assholes, and the public just forgets every 10 years or so that the other side is just as bad. I will say I think the republicans are slightly less dangerous, their assault on freedom is at least a bit more covert.

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        [–]1sailorJery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        She will not win. She's the most popular candidate right now. Those of us who remember the 2008 elections remember that back then she was the most popular candidate as well. The moment a slightly better prospect came along she was done. She's polarized a large portion of this country, yes her winning the presidency is a shitty proposition, but it's not a likely one. I mean more likely than say my presidency but she won't win. Voting for the minority simply for the thrill of it ended up leaving many people disillusioned last election.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (14 children)

        Maybe. There are still many democrats who won't vote for a woman. She has to get the nomination first, and quite a few won't just hand it to her. However, if she can manage to win the nomination it will depend entirely on who the GOP nominates. If its some big business, fuck the poor and middle class, bible thumping, wall separating church and state dismantling type guy, she will win.

        They put up evangelicals in the nomination fight against McCain, he chose poorly with Palin, nobody wants a female president other than butthurt feminists. They put a bunch of evangelical idiots up with Romney, who is a fuck everyone but the richest, Mormon religious nutter with magic underwear. The black guy won again, because nobody wants a fuck the middle class Mormon in office. Sure as hell not a Republican that permanently banned semi auto rifles in Massachusetts while he was governor.

        It depends on if the GOP can stop with the religious bullshit, and the fuck the little guy and tax him do we can profit more types. If its another outwardly religious nominee, we will have another democrat in office, and it could be that ditzy cunt.

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          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I would abstain, it's a choice between to turd sandwiches. It's the illusion of choice, not an actual choice.

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            [–]djvita 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            proof of this, 2012 mexican presidential election. first female candidate josefina vazquez mota, but many women voted for peña nieto because he was a 'handsome daddy' also her party was a clusterfuck from poor performance from 12 years of drug wars and peñas party promised so much.

            [–]Terrh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            I think the main problem is that the republican party can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to figure out how to get elected.

            They've completely alienated the majority of america and until that changes we're gonna have a democrat government, regardless of how bad their candidates are.

            [–]ButterBoobs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            This. The reason the dems are more popular isn't because they're s good party; it's because the current Republican Party is so utterly, utterly useless.

            [–]fillymandee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Doesn't matter. Party line voting will put a R back in the WH.

            [–]cryptedsky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Everyone said she would win for sure in 2008. And then someone beat her.

            [–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I strongly disagree, actually. I don't believe that Hillary will even receive the Democratic nomination. She couldn't win against Obama in 2008 and she isn't going to win now that she's going to be 8 years older and be following on the disappointment-stained coattails of the Obama administration, of which she was a part.

            My guess for 2016 is that the same thing will happen that happened in 2008: she will run, but lose to a younger, more charismatic Democrat.

            If Republicans play their cards right, they should win in 2016. But I was monumentally disappointed with their performance in 2012, so I won't be holding my breath.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 71 points72 points  (33 children)

            America wants its Margaret Thatcher. I'll tell you something about Margaret Thatcher. She fucked up real estate in this country by selling off almost all the social housing at a fraction of its worth and deregulated the fuck out of a bunch of industries. She also caused mass unemployment in the north. Mark my words, she is one of Britain's most hated prime ministers in all of history. AND SHE WAS FAR MORE REASONABLE AND INTELLIGENT THAN HILARY WILL EVER BE. If the majority of Americans are dumb enough to vote that bitch in, they fucking deserve her. Enjoy your precious democracy.

            [–]MagnanimousGenius 51 points52 points  (3 children)

            At the very least Thatcher hated feminism

            [–]topspeedj 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            For all the anger she generates, at least she decided what she wanted and went for it. And she despised people who didn't take responsibility for their own lives.

            Both women and men today can take a lesson from that. Just throwing that out there.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Ironic really isn't it, if not for the first wavers she would not even be able to run for political office. Credit where credit is due.

            [–]silly_bird 26 points27 points  (16 children)

            You want to see what a feminist in power does to a country, see this shit. You criticise an inept, bumbling government that is spending like a drunken sailor, which happens to be lead by a woman, you just get accused of misogyny. Everyone that criticised that government was labelled a woman hater, she brought gender politics to the front and centre of the national stage, it was a despicable time in Australian politics and I hope to hell to never re visit it. Her vile gender driving shaming tactics put the brakes on criticisms of her parties policies, which is exactly what she wanted, to have her ideology go unchallenged.

            The man she is attacking in the video is now the prime minister.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 19 points20 points  (11 children)

            Ah I've heard of this crazy bitch. She even cried in public one I think if you type her name and crying into youtube you can see it. Who the fuck wants a leader that cries? Seriously? If you lead a nation of people you don't get to cry. Not in public. You're meant to be a symbol of strength, somebody who can lead. Vladimir fucking Putin. Not THAT. I hear it's no better down in Brazil and Argentina either with both their female presidents. IMO, Thatcher is the best female leader to live in modern times, these other women haven't got shit on her, and even then, she still wasn't popular.

            EDIT: here it is, found it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNgEz-XR9oU

            Absolutely pathetic. Then she's get a fucking cuddle afterwards. If you can't control your own emotions how the fuck can you be expected to rule over a country? That shit is outrageous and disgusting.

            [–]Pdr_vzlr 8 points9 points  (10 children)

            "IMO, Tatcher is the best female leader to live in modern times" Honest question: what about Merkel? Isn't she doing a great job in Germany?

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (6 children)

            Whether you prefer Merkel or Thatcher would be a matter of opinion. Chancellor Merkel is someone I don't know enough about to make fair comment on. It is my contention that the best female leaders are all very masculine in character. The idea of a very feminine, beautiful and emotional leader just does not compute. Neither Thatcher nor Merkel are the Marilyn Monroe's of femininity.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

            Merckel is a chemical engineer, and has had a very technocratic, do whatever works period of rule.

            Right now, Germany owns most of the debt of other Euro nations (notably Greece, Portugal , Spain) they're large and in charge in Euro politics, from what it looks like Germany's booming because she's not ruling via an ideology, she's a technocrat in the sense that she does what gets results, whether it's more solar or more coal "who gives a fuck what's better for Germany ok do that."

            [–]topspeedj 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            As a Brit I think Germany is the best country in the world. A useful, pragmatic people.

            In the UK, the man driving the Bentley is more respected than the man who designed its engine. In Germany it's the opposite, and that goes a long way to explain their success.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Makes me want to pay the Germans a visit. Legal prostitution, too. Oh yes, I'm seeing the pragmatism already.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Pragmatism > Ideology when it comes to success. I could definitely get on board with a leader like that. She also seems very unemotional, which is necessary in a leader IMO. Theatrics are for court jesters, not kings.

            [–]smile_e_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This already happens. I can't even count the number of times that I've seen someone criticize Obama's policies or government, only for someone else to immediately accuse him of racism. Think Obama has been weak on Syria, Ukraine, or ISIS? Racist. Think his response to Ebola is too tepid? Racist. Think his obvious pandering during his recent stump speeches is pathetic? Filthy, hateful racist. I can't imagine how bad it will get with Clinton.

            [–]watersign 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Thatcher was a trained scientist and a very smart person. She is a national treasure in my book. (I'm from the US though)

            [–]antidoxdevice 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            I dont know why you brought up Thatcher as she did pretty much the opposite of what Hilary claims she will. Selling of social housing was great for millions of people, who were mostly those who worked their way out of the socialist shit hole several years earlier and were now able to own their own home. Deregulation was a good thing and she got rid of a bunch of unprofitable industries that were only their due to subsidies.

            Seriously who the fuck upvoted this? You're complaing about how Hilary will fuck things up because shes a woman and women are socialist, but then you bring up a woman who was anything but socialist and implemented the exact kind of policies you want as proof of this?

            This sub isnt as redpill or rational as it would like to think it is.

            [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Yes indeed.

            Thatcher was viscerally and rightly hated all across the country. I was in London the day of her state funeral and armed police lined the streets in their thousands to prevent unrest. That is unprecedented in a country that until more recently was big on having an unarmed police force. I was shocked by the blatant militarism.

            Ding dong hit number 2 in the charts amidst an all out media barrage to prevent it hitting number 1.

            About the only thing she did right was ordering the army to hammer the argies.

            [–]pl231 21 points22 points  (12 children)

            Women are the primary victims of war. Lol so the person that literally dies isn't the primary victim, it's actually someone who suffers residual effects from it happening. Seems logical.

            My only suggestion about this manner is simple : unite. Whoever the Republicans put up, if he's less of a negative in your mind than Hilary, then fucking vote for them. For some reason people get into this mindset with politics where if a candidate isn't exactly what they want, they won't support that candidate. Well newsflash, the only 2 people with a shot at winning in 2016 are Hilary and whoever the Republicans put up. So vote for the lesser evil in your opinion between the two and don't split the fucking vote by voting for some other asshole also on the ballot who has 0 chance of being elected. If theres some independent that perfectly represents you, great(ssomething I'm well aware of as a libertarian). However it's a complete joke to vote for them unless you're equally neutral on both of the major candidates.

            [–]notsointelligent 12 points13 points  (10 children)

            Never thought I'd vote Republican but the Republicans will have to nominate someone pretty bad to lose my vote on this one. ...maybe they can nominate a woman. That would be fine. My real problem is with the feminist delusions that Bill Clinton's wife seems to have.

            [–]DoctorsHateHim 10 points11 points  (4 children)

            Sarah Palin vs Hillary Clinton in 2016. Isn't the two party system great?

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              [–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              the entire rigged election system is a joke and the punch line is you keep falling for it

              [–]pl231 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              I think they should have Rice run as VP, good way to get both women and minority votes.

              [–]In_Liberty 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              If Romney had chosen Condoleeza as his running mate, I'm convinced he would have won.

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                [–]pl231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The media's heads would blow up because it would be a never ending loop of the following concept in their mind 1) you're sexist if you don't vote for Hillary 2) you're both sexist and racist if you don't vote for Paul/Rice.

                Personally I think Paul/Rice would be unstoppable. Rand can get young people energized and Rice is going to get more women and minorities thinking about the GOP than ever before. They'll never go thru situations in their head like that and probably end up putting Romney up again or some bullshit.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Ya , sadly he wanted to distance himself from Bush, and since she was part of that group he decided to barely even consider her.

                [–]1oldredder 13 points14 points  (5 children)

                ALL POLITICIANS ARE PUPPETS WORKING FOR THE BANKS.

                It's that simple.

                If you still can't figure it out you may think you're "red pill" and this subreddit has no topic outside of sexual strategy...

                but it's 100% BLUE pill plugged into the Matrix. The people who actually rule your lives run Monsanto, The Federal Reserve, JP Morgan, Bank of England, etc.

                You don't actually vote.

                Votes are discarded

                That's what Diebold machines are for, to rig elections.

                That's what candidates are for: to make sure everyone running is on the same team.

                Suckers always fall for it. Back in the Obama v Romney "election" all the backers (opensecrets.org) were THE SAME for both "sides" and mostly Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc.

                There is no FEMINIST VOTE.

                There's no vote AT ALL.

                George Carlin warned you. You have OWNERS, you're OWNED.

                [–]Gold_Leaf_Initiative 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                The ship tacks left, the ship tacks right, but the final destination does not change.

                Bush and Obama answer to the same masters.

                There is no apprecible difference between republican and democrats. They have:

                The same stance on the federal reserve

                The same stance on the war on drugs

                The same stance on wars in the middle east

                [–]redpillta 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Shhhh! You're not supposed to know that! Eat more McDonalds! Buy more Nikes/Ipods! Watch more Dancing with the Stars!

                [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                om-nom-nom, I luv dancing with macdonaldburgers! Jus' DOOOO it

                [–]Clemence999 60 points61 points  (61 children)

                Not worried in the slightest. Most of her proclaimed feminism is political posturing and doesn't translate in to actionable changes that materially affect my life.

                I have a whole host of friends who said "If Obama wins, I'm moving to Canada." Since then, I've asked them to name one thing about their life that has changed since Obama won, and how that would be different if Romney won... They utterly fail to come up with ONE tangible, defined change.

                Republican v Democrat, Hillary v Obama, Obama v Romney... it's all bullshit. Bush was a HUGE spender, just like Obama. Romney likely would have went in to Iran (and we'd be having Iraqi Freedom 2.0... yet another trillion dollar boots-on-the-ground war). Obama is far from perfect, but this idea that he is "the worst president ever" is laughable. Fox news has perfected the art of taking any single action or non action and spinning it to make him look like a dick-head and few people question it. Some old woman stubs her toe in the morning and it is blamed on political impotence.

                They all suck. They all have similar modes of operation guided by hidden forces that range from big industry lobbyists, "soft wars" with the other large international powers, and various pressures applied by leaders of their constituency. The President is not a dude who actively makes decisions on his own individual conviction, he's closer to being a public speaker for an insanely complex system of power that none of us have the privilege of fully understanding.

                But guess what? The USA still kicks tons of ass. There is no better place with similar scale to live in the world. People talk about Switzerland and other supposed utopias, but those countries are the equivalent size of the rich part of a nice US city... Not comparable. Our economy still has a firm grip on the rest of the globe's nutsack. This will not be changing any time soon. China is cute and all but they still don't invent shit... We are the only ones who actually invent shit.

                [–]1redpillbanana[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                Since then, I've asked them to name one thing about their life that has changed since Obama won, and how that would be different if Romney won...

                Do you think Romney would have pushed something like the PPACA? Not necessarily saying whether the ACA is bad or good, but that is one big difference in my mind.

                [–]power__energy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                This is among the most realistic summation of modern politics that I've read in this site

                [–]justatwinkle 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                I'm not sure how your friend hasn't been affected and I REALLY don't understand why they think Canada would be better. First of all, Constitutionally, we can now be penalized for not buying a product of the government (AKA, low monthly payment, ungodly high deductible insurance). So right now, I get charged a mere (ha!) $100 for CHOOSING NOT TO BUY something that I do not need. That's fucking tangible. But moreover, that rate isn't fixed and was clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL before Obama threw a series of cases at the supreme court until one idiot (Looking at you, Roberts) relented in allowing it so in the future, who know? It might not be $100. Plus, for a time, Obama had extended unemployment to something like 2 years and at the time, I was working as a middle manager at a grocery store. Hardly the temporary safety net it was intended to be. Because it was so easy to get extended unemployment if you got fired we had a string of lazy assholes doing work poorly in hopes of getting fired and collecting their 2 years of free money. How do I know this was the case? Because two of them fucking told me. So yeah. The president has power and it really does matter.

                [–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (14 children)

                Canada is a way better place to live. The cost of living, real work hours vs real resources you can consume & comforts you can have, is much higher.

                [–]Clemence999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                On average, sure. USA has a higher ceiling and a lower floor.

                [–]TB12RR9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                You've been fed this idea of American exceptionalism your entire life but do you really think that the US is invulnerable? There comes and end to every great civilization the US is no different a time will come when the US will have to pay its bills however with the amount of spending and the promises made vy politicians my generations and my kids will be stuck footing the majority of the billl which is fucked.

                [–]theDarkAngle 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Elizabeth Warren can steal the nomination from her.

                [–]_xen 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                Funny thing is, Bill Clinton would probably hate to see her become a president as much as we do. Hopefully he sabotages her.

                [–]SOwED 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                Why? From what I've seen, former presidents tend to like the spotlight without the responsibility, which I'd exactly what being the first First Man ever would bring.

                [–]XOrAcLeX 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                Hillary: The Movie

                I highly recommend that everyone watch this documentary that Hillary successfully blocked from being aired right before the Democratic primaries in 2008.

                It is absolutely shocking the lengths she has proven she will go to achieve power and status. All this under the guise of "serving the people" when in reality the only thing Hillary cares about is Hillary.

                [–]Jabroni12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This is the movie that sparked the Citizens United case.

                [–]haterandhypocrite 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                I think Hillary Clinton might actually just be a sociopath.

                I think it was during the 2008 campaign when she was caught in a lie about landing in an active war zone when there was "mortar fire," and she claimed she had to "duck and run" with some troops. A picture came out that showed her coming off the aircraft and standing with a vest on, but perfectly safe. She went on Letterman and made fun of herself for it and everyone promptly forgot about it.

                Here's the kicker, though. When she was telling the lie, she said "And that was a moment of great pride for me." She remembered the emotion of a moment that she made up in her head. She remembered feeling pride during her complete lie.

                I think Hillary Clinton is a sociopath.

                [–]Statecensor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Can you name a politician who is not a sociopath?

                [–]SgtBrutalisk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Correct, she supposedly arrived at a Bosnian airport and had to dodge bullets like fucking Neo. In reality, the war was long over and little girls dressed in festive attire welcomed her with flowers - do you really think she would put herself in any kind of danger?

                [–]1redpillbanana[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I think Hillary Clinton is a sociopath.

                No doubt she is full dark triad.

                [–]Fzed600 21 points22 points  (3 children)

                2016 will be the first time I will vote and it will be for a male candidate.

                [–]justatwinkle 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                Don't vote for a male candidate because he's male. Vote for him because Hillary Clinton is legitimately a poor candidate. I haven't voted for a black president yet, but I'm not against it if the right person were to run. I didn't vote for Obama either time because he had a poor grasp on economic matters and contempt for the working class people. Emphasis on working. Not talking about welfare bitches, because I know he loves them.

                [–]-Tyler_Durden- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Mrs. Clinton is the ultimate Dependapotumus. She believes that she has the same rank that her husband once held and most likely feels that she earned the same respect. Putting his policy and politics aside, Bill Clinton was Governor of his state for over a decade and was Attorney General for two years before that. As much as any politician can, he earned his stripes; however, his wife earned nothing.

                She carpet bagged her way into a senate seat and was given Secretary of State as a participant trophy. First Lady of a state or the country is not an elected position and deserves no respect. And make no mistake, her administration will be a disaster of indecision and ineptitude. The SCOTUS Justices who she appoints will make Kagan and Soto-Mayor seem moderate.

                And on a side note, if Clinton or Bush is elected president, only three families will have occupied the White House for possibly 36 years (1989-2025).

                [–]through_a_ways 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                "I have a million ideas. The country can't afford them all."

                I want a million pairs of shoes. My husband can't afford them all.

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                  [–]miss_sogony 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  She's a woman.

                  That's reason to not vote for her. The liberal used Obamas colour, they'll use hilary easily to get another few terms. Sadly the masses will think this as a good thing for a strong independent womyn to get elected.

                  [–]SmellyJelly22 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  LOL @ the Hilary worry.

                  She won't win. All the shit about gender-equality aside, the people who run America will never put the keys to the post powerful army in the history of the world in the hands of a woman.It's never happened, and never will. Say what you want about them, but they know what they are doing. All the countries with female heads of states have nonexistent militaries.

                  [–]MagnanimousGenius 14 points15 points  (8 children)

                  I'm very hopeful that the Americans will vote Republican

                  [–]SaiyanPrince_Vegeta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Republicans need to get their shit together first and weed out the crazies they've left control their narrative. Secondly, they need to get capable fucking candidates people can actually vote for. Romney and Mccain were jokes and there are no outstanding candidates in the run right now.

                  [–]ibuprofiend 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  After Obama fucking up the last 8 years, this seems quite possible. People tend to vote against the previous president... after Bush, literally any democrat would have won the 2008 election.

                  [–]MagnanimousGenius 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Agree, and I think if it weren't for Bush the republicans wouldn't have such a bad reputation. In fact correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of the USA's "best" presidents have been Republicans

                  Edit: I'm not from the USA to clarify, so take my opinions with a big pinch of salt

                  [–]Phaint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  They need to get their marketing campaigns on par with the democrats. Simple as that.

                  Obama (and soon Hillary's) campaigns, propaganda, et al are simply exceptional. That is the only reason they are winning. They target their markets and rip them apart.

                  They recruit teams of experts in each specific field for every tiny facet of their ads, speeches etc.

                  [–]polysyllabist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Ewww. No, someone like Bernie Sanders please.

                  [–]SikPon11 14 points15 points  (6 children)

                  Guys Guys Guys. I don't think you all realize how little power the president has. Maybe she gets things done, maybe not. But any change in America has to be through Congress. Congress doesn't want to work with Obama, why the hell would they want to work with Hillary???

                  Maybe I'm wrong, and as a Clinton she gets shit done. I'm just saying that America won't turn into some pansy (some would argue it already has) country after she's elected. Change comes from Congress, not the president.

                  [–]GhostOfAladdin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  well, lobbyists are the root of our laws.

                  [–]AmazonExplorer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  And considering that Republicans are set to win the Senate, they'll be in full control of Congress. Once they get a Presidential candidate to win, Republicans will be in control of both the Legislative and Executive branches.

                  [–]1favours_of_the_moon 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                  Hillary's biggest accomplishment in life is marrying a powerful man.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Hillary is meant to be the next president with the way this country's going.

                  [–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I doubt she'll lock up the women's vote the way Obama locked up the black vote. Her age is showing, her numerous scandals will come back to haunt her and I don't think a majority of the electorate is dumb enough to fail to see through obvious pandering and politicking (remember her mid-90s crusade against video games?)

                  Really all she's got is bullying voters with the cudgel of feminism, which I'm sure plenty of women's organizations will do the legwork for her.

                  [–]Indianbro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yet she is still with Bill. A true alpha.

                  [–]bat_mayn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  God damnit. I am not looking forward to America's next extended "election season". Holy fuck it is going to be awful to endure, there is no escaping it unless you completely unplug from the universe, other people and obliterate your senses.

                  [–]elgordoloko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I hope we have an apocalyptic event just to reset things back to normal. Women will then realize they need men because they are not the strong woman they thought they were.

                  How easy do women have it? It's unbelievable and they are still bitching. Not only do they live off of their ex husbands, they are also supported by the government. I can't wait until their life support is cut off.

                  [–]Elim101 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I agree with all of your post except for the inclusion of the job creation line. If anything "creates" jobs, it's demand.

                  I plan on starting my own business soon and I know full well that I won't be "creating" any jobs. I will be employing people because their skills make me more money. If they do not make me more money, I will not employ them. "Job creation" sounds like the business is doing the worker and the economy a favor. In capitalism, the business owner looks out for no one but himself. I will be an employer, not a "job creator."

                  [–]fillymandee 4 points5 points  (8 children)

                  I'd say it's a really dumb move for Democrats. They can't win anyway. 8 years one way leads to, at least, 4 years the other way, if not all 8. The old days are gone. This is the way it is now.

                  [–]TimPartendale 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  While I agree that has been the trend, Hillary is a very popular candidate, its possible she could win. However, it's obviously too soon to call it, I mean the elections are in 2016 and it's only 2014!!

                  [–]Pornography_saves_li 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  She's popular all right....with the ruling elite. She will win if they want her to, no matter how Americans vote. I actually, as a Canadian, find the thought of people in North America thinking they effect who wins in this day of 'automated' voting more than a little silly.

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                    [–]blackjustin 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    as a black man, you can count on me to vote for god damn near anyone who opposes Hilary, regardless of color.

                    [–]antidoxdevice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    No point, may as well vote for her and let the collaps come faster.

                    [–]gideonrakthor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Your point about minorities is bullshit. Yeah there may be some uncessesary hard feelings for the "white man" stereotype in minority cultures, but we sure as hell don't pedestalize women as much as full blown Americans do.

                    [–]1redpillbanana[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    The election is in two years so you may have to hit the 16 year olds.

                    [–]goemon45 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Yeah I think I'm gonna move...

                    [–]DarthRoach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    This sounds like marxism in disguise. Just replace "proletariat" with "minority/women".

                    [–]xantris 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    The primary issue is really that the Republicans can't put together a competent and likable candidate. Anyone that the independents would likely vote for isn't supported by their base, and anyone their base supports is laughable to the independents.

                    They are hamstrung by the religious right who believe in unpopular social concepts and the super rich (and mega corporations) who believe in economically unpopular concepts.

                    [–]xantris 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Hillary isn't the type to make any sort of sweeping changes. She's a maintain the status-quo type of politician.

                    Most of it is just campaign and public relations rhetoric.

                    [–]boozerkc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    We should have drafted Olympia Snowe and put the first female president talk to rest when we had the chance

                    [–]MyRedAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    That really isn't a bad idea. She's probably too centrist to win the Republican primaries, but she'd make a better female president IMO.

                    [–]gideonrakthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Honestly, I'm not worried about it. Yes we have had our first black president, whoo. But I'll be damned if there are enough votes for Clinton to even be close. Voting is a private right. I think most people are free to vote according to their gut choice in the booth.

                    But then again , since she's democratic she will have nearly 100% of homosexual America's vote, which is increasing rapidly these days.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    The number one danger of her getting into office is that anyone criticizing her policies and choices will be accused of misogyny in the same way that anyone disagreeing with Obama is accused of racism. The female self-proclaimed mantle of victimhood serves as a shield to protect them from criticism and a weapon to quash dissent. They are a totalitarian wet dream.

                    [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Ha, you really think that voting changes anything these days?

                    [–]1sailorJery 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    Hillary's not going to win the presidency unless the GOP runs another decrepit man and a beauty pageant contestant

                    [–]JRPGFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I don't think it matters who the President is since all of them are pro-feminist.

                    [–]should_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I recall that Democrats were actually not crazy about voting for Hillary during the primaries because they knew that Republicans hated her, so Hillary versus anyone who was a Republican would have been a mistake. Democrats wanted a Democrat as President no matter what and no one was banking on Hillary. If Democrats perceive less hate from Republicans toward her, maybe they'll let her win it this round.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    she has this speech and in a sane country the opposing parties(plural) would play it on repeat and she would not get any seats.

                    [–]countsingsheep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    She did accomplish something during her tenure as Secretary of State.

                    She armed rebels and ousted Qaddafi. He was the one keeping the lid on the Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans loyal to the Mujaheddin. He fought the bad guys, and Queen Hillary got rid of him.

                    [–]FeelLikeFlexing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    This is fear mongering crock of shit.

                    [–]FortunateBum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Look man, it's over. It's been over since about 1980. Women run things. That's just how it is and how it's going to be.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_gender_gap

                    Even if a man is elected, he was elected by women and he knows it.

                    [–]jonnybeastmode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    2016 might be the year I leave the country.

                    [–]bpcPunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I used to be a driver for cargo pilots. Drive them to and from the hotel. The pilot community is kinda small and tight knit. 90% or more are former military and it's not uncommon for pilots to know other pilots from across the country in another company in a different industry.

                    Anyways one pilot had a friend that flew for the Clinton's during one of their campaigns. Turns out Hilary is an enormous bitch. Totally not someone you want to be around behind closed doors.

                    I think I should add that pilots are also 99% full of shit so it could be total bullshit. Sounds about right though.

                    [–]writeonbrother 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I totally disagree with her politics. That aside, I personally find her a despicable human being. That she finds men disposable is obvious in her iteration "what difference, at this point, does it make?" In other words, four men died, who cares? She is more hawkish then any Republican other than John McCain. She has demonstrated that she will not be careful with the lives of men, both on and off of the battlefield. Her cackling laugh at the death of Libya's Qaddafi and the manner in which he died -- sodomized with a knife no less -- should make any thinking person disgusted at her reaction. She is a misandrist and proud of it. And , frankly, I think she is just plain dumb. An opportunist for sure, but dumb. What has she ever accomplished of any note, on HER own?

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                      [–]Andress1 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                      Yep.At this stage the usa is so fucked up that the only way to improve things is to let everything burn to ashes and then rebuild everything from scratch.Im not from usa either.

                      [–]j-pHil 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                      She has not accomplished anything of note during her tenure as Secretary of State.

                      She accomplished fucking up Bengazi. Ha... oh wait.

                      [–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      the Clintons were instrumental to the banks' power in Bill's presidency & financial fraud.

                      Still are.

                      They've done plenty and their job - to rig the banks to rule you forever - and that was their actual job.

                      [–]justatwinkle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Honestly, this stuff is why all PEOPLE should be concerned. Her feminist bull shit isn't even helpful for women. Women get sick more often and have babies and lower salaries for women take this into account. If equal pay were enforced, every employer would always choose a man over a woman. Always. It just makes more sense because you will be getting more hours for your money.

                      [–]LadyLumen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      I may be a Democrat and a woman, but I realllly hope she doesn't win. She's a piece of shit for plenty of other reasons that the ones listed. If she's the main person on the ballot, I'm going to vote 3rd party and give the whole system the finger.

                      [–]tixzq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      she will make fitting tombstone epitaph to failed state, indeed

                      [–]Statecensor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Hillary Clinton is considered the leading Democratic candidate for 2016. If she is elected, she might not ruin things completely, but she will make the situation truly bad for men (and probably women too) in America.

                      Hillary Clinton is a woman who attached herself to a strong and powerful man and is so desperate for power and wealth that when he had another woman sucking his cock over Easter she still stayed with him. Everyone on the planet knows this its not a secret. She won't do anything to hurt men other then give a few speeches. She is a compromiser and that is what is currently needed unlike Barack who will refuse to work with the opposition because he is an ideological purist. If he cannot pass a piece of legislation with everything he wants he will just let the bill die and throw a tantrum. So if she is elected it might even end up being a good thing.

                      You don't want a president who thinks he or she is a dictator in chief for 4 or 8 years that is how we got into the situation we are currently in.

                      [–]WoahScienceCool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Things are going to have to get way, way worse in this country before a blow black can commence and allow things to become better. A Republican in the White House is just going to draw more criticism, victim complexes and microscopic scrutiny, no matter what he/she does. I want this country to fall under the Democrat party (and have full faith that it will), as it seems to be the only way people will finally learn their lesson.

                      You all are thinking about short term, shallow gains, Im thinking about indefinite, long term success decades ahead.

                      Vote Hilary 2016.

                      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I think you guys have got this all wrong. As I said in in a RoK comment I think Hillary Clinton will be the best thing that can possibly happen to America at this time. Why? Let's break it down...

                      1. Bill Clinton. Say what you will about this magnificent scumbag, but truth be told, he's not a very good leftoid. Bill and Hillary will most likely be running shit as a team, just as they did during Bill's term.

                      2. Hillary is pragmatic and sociopathic. Yeah yeah, she talks that good feminist bullshit, but at the end of the day, you think she is really going to listen to her psychotic, pinkshirt demographic? Hell no. She's going to spit those good, empty platitudes, then proceed to completely ignore them. What are they gonna do? Vote Republican!? Lulz. Hillary knows what pays the bills. Such as when Bill passed welfare reform.

                      3. I can't possibly say this as well as Jack Donovan said it. So read here. No, seriously, read this fucking article. Do not even think of replying or voting on this comment until you read this fucking article. http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/2/21/why-we-need-hillary

                      4. Good luck on feminists being taken seriously about that glass ceiling or women are oppressed bullshit when WE GOT A CHICK PRESIDENT. Now, don't get me wrong, you see this entrenching that Pinkshirts are doing now? They will double down even worse when Hillary wins. However, when Joe Average can no longer seriously believe the bullshit coming out of the mouths of feminists, that will be the Berlin 1945 moment for feminism.

                      Basically, I hope for a GOP congress and Hillary to be pres. Why is that? Because a government that is too busy being at each others' throats is a government that is spending less time with its boot on my face. You should all want the same.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I'm just happy I'm not American. Fuck that shit, the woman's crazy.

                      [–]darkflow42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      The day Hillary wins I'm leaving this country.

                      [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      The time to leave was when NAFTA was passed. It's been time to run for a long time. America the empire is dead.

                      [–]gideonrakthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Come on don't be that guy. I heard too much of this shit with Obama.

                      [–]DmDvT 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      I don't know why any male would vote democrat.

                      [–]justatwinkle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      I don't know why any hard working individual would vote for a democrat.

                      [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Diebold machines vote as they are told by their programmers - your vote is erased.

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