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[–]Bevman00 85 points86 points  (18 children)

She thinks the UK's approach toward false-rape allegations violates human rights? Not the rights of the (innocent) man who had is life taken apart and publicly shamed for years upon years, and the perpetrator of that anguish is guilty of a misdemeanor? How dumb does she think people are? 90% of rapists walk? Wrong. Rapists are the most hated people in society. 2 women are being killed every week by partners or ex-partners? I couldn't find hide nor hair of anything remotely backing up that fact unsubstantiated claim.

But this isn't about women's rights, human rights, or anything outside of a small group of truly awful people who are trying to place themselves in positions of power. They'll make a 'sensitivity committee' or 'social justice advocacy' that will allow them to further push the thumb down on men and create even more barriers to prevent men from operating.

The worst part is that nobody can define words like 'progress' so it's up to whatever asshole can twist the moral high ground in their favor.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 40 points41 points  (8 children)

Well the statistics for rape have gone from 2.8 per 1000 in 1979-1980 to 0.5 per 1000 in 2003. (Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#mediaviewer/File:Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg )

This means that the odds of being the victim of rape is 1 in 2000. This is hardly the rape epidemic that feminists seem to describe.

What we do have an epidemic of is false rape accusations. I wonder if we can get some statistics on accusations of rape that never result in a conviction. Either because they are found innocent in court OR because the woman was found to be a liar... I'd be willing to bet the incidence of false accusations has increased dramatically as the actual incidence of rape has plummeted.

[–]Idle_Redditing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't you know that according to women men don't matter at all? To them only women and children have any importance, and girls more than boys.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

2 women are being killed every week by partners or ex-partners

Found this: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534

It's about 2 a week. There's a graph if you scroll down the page, comparing deaths per year for both males and females.

I wanted to know how the UK compared to the US (population of the UK is about 60 mil, US is about 300 mil). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States

Of those killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, and 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.

The problem in the U.S. seems much more serious.

[–]Lakey91 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One wonders about the prevalence of non-English names among the murderers. Perhaps it's just bad luck that that's who bbc decided to choose as examples but otherwise is there something they're not telling us?

[–]JohnPeel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Accidentally deaths by your own hand run in at about 30 per 100,000 people per year in the UK

so for the 65 million people in the UK, 19500 people who accidentally kill themselves each year. I am excluding suicides as well.

2 women per week is, 104 women killed per year by their partners.

You are 187.5 times more likely to kill yourself than be murdered by your boyfriend.

3 people a year are killed by lightning strikes in the UK every year, which is only 30 times less likely than being killed by your ex partner. Also around 50 people are year get struck by lightning and don't die, so that's only half as likely!

[–]Azothlike 10 points11 points  (4 children)

The way you're quoting statistics is kind of useless. "2 women in X country are killed a week" is a useless, sensational statistic unless you know the population size.

For perspective, ~0.06 out of every million women are killed each week by partners in England and Wales, and ~0.14 out of every million women are killed each week by partners in the US.

With a clear basis and understanding of stats, you can see that the US has about twice the rate of female partner homicide that England and Wales does.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What are the odds of a person dying using a trampoline, having a filing cabinet fall on them in the office, slipping on some ice on a sidewalk etc ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

http://www.medhelp.org/general-health/articles/The-25-Most-Common-Causes-of-Death/193?page=1

Here's some common causes of death, some of them involving very mundane things.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

wat

I included the population of the UK. I even threw in the US (even though this is about the UK), because comparing a similar country seems relevant. I also said, "The problem in the U.S. seems much more serious". Are you seeing a different comment? (Serious, not sarcasm).

Anyway this is all kind of off-topic anyway. The issue here is feminists believing false rape accusations are not serious. Either that, or men being falsely accused of rape is a necessary evil to lower domestic violence and rape against women.

[–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem is that the way you did it, whilst technically correct, is misleading.

Whilst you did note that the US has 5x the population of the UK, this doesn't mean that people are going to compare the US statistic to 5x the UK statistic.

Comparing per capita is the best way to do it, so the comment that actually did that got upvoted.

[–]Dubiousxy 48 points49 points  (4 children)

"Lisa Longstaff, from War, said: 'It’s appalling that when over 90% of rapists are getting away with it and two women a week are killed by partners or ex-partners, women who report violence are being imprisoned'."

But it's not appalling that a woman can send a man to jail for life. Where he will be forever branded as a sex offender, probably be someone's bitch, never get a decent job and even if he's proven innocent, never be awarded compensation....

I support an eye for an eye. The false accuser should serve whatever sentence the innocent person should have. Guy gets 20 years for rape and it's proven it's made up. Boom she gets 20 years.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 21 points22 points  (2 children)

The notion 90% are getting away with it is not accurate at all. It's a sensationalized figure from creative interpretation of the actual statistics.

[–]1kick6 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The notion 90% are getting away with it is not accurate at all. It's a sensationalized figure from creative interpretation of the actual statistics.

Well that's being rather kind. I'd say its completely made-up horseshit to support a narrative.

[–]RockTurgidson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can someone please fucking tell me where people get statistics on UNREPORTED RAPES? That's the real question here.

[–]ashion101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough that's exactly what I said to my husband the othrt day when we got into talking about malicious women who ruin innocent mens lives. Eye for an eye. He was falsely accused and wrongfully sentenced to 20 years? 20 years it is for malicious life destroying liar.

[–]pissoutofmyass 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Corrupting the process of justice with false complaints, no matter what they concern, should be a very serious crime - among the most serious. Such a crime undermines the concepts of justice and law.

[–]systemshock869 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is extremely important. On a side note, I think police officers should undergo the same scrutiny.

"He looked threatening" > Shoot an innocent person

and

"He was regrettable" > Ruin a person's life

are in the same boat. Cops should be held to a higher standard. As a supposed upholder of justice, if it's established that a cop went outside of his duty and tried to get away with it he should be punished above and beyond what a normal citizen would be, not less. /rant

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 36 points37 points  (4 children)

109 women have been prosecuted in the UK in last 5 years - 98 of which have been convicted for perverting the course of justice.

A US law professor

I think their approach violates human rights

"Lisa Longstaff, from War, said: 'It’s appalling that when over 90% of rapists are getting away with it and two women a week are killed by partners or ex-partners, women who report violence are being imprisoned'."

It's frightening how someone so fucking poor at reasoning can have a job in a highly logical/analytical field: law professor. Guess she got all the way there on affirmative action, because she's a fucking retard if she can in good conscience, equate "women who report violence being imprisoned" with "women being imprisoned for making false rape claims and perverting the course of justice." They are two distinct types of women, but she conflates them into one type of woman. She distracts you from the real injustice by manufacturing her own, that's the power of the hamster in full force there.

Yes, she actually cannot differentiate between women reporting real crimes (violence) and women who report fake crimes (no violence.)

Talk about some seriously fallacious conflation (here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation.) And she's a fucking law professor? Fuckoff. She doesn't deserve her job. The world has gone mad. Academia more so. A bitch that dumb shouldn't be teaching in such a high-logic field where people have to use logic to interpret contract law and apply precedent etc. Honestly, that shit is fucking disgusting. If they let dumb cunts like this into Law nowadays I'm not surprised the profession has become saturated. I don't care if she's memorised statute for the past 200 years, her logic is shit. And I don't care how manipulative you're trying to be, you can't make such retarded statements publicly when you're in that kind of job position and not expect to be ridiculed.

I'd expect a low GPA law undergrad high on indignation to say some shit like this, not a law professor.

[–]1Modified_Hackware 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Judges have been told to treat female criminals more leniently than men when deciding sentences. New guidelines declare that women suffer disadvantages and courts should ‘bear these matters in mind’.

...

‘Women’s experiences as victims, witnesses and offenders are in many respects different to those of men,’ according to the Equal Treatment Bench Book. ‘These differences highlight the importance of the need for sentencers to bear these matters in mind when sentencing.’

...

The rules were prepared by a team headed by High Court judge Dame Laura Cox. She wrote: ‘It is hardly revolutionary that judges should know of the matters central to the lives of those who attend courts and to aim to provide judges with that knowledge.’

https://archive.today/kZjPm

They're not interested in what's fair, they're interested in female supremacy.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

‘Women’s experiences as victims, witnesses and offenders are in many respects different to those of men,’ according to the Equal Treatment Bench Book.

Ironic Orwellian hypocrisy.

They're not interested in what's fair, they're interested in female supremacy.

True as ever.

[–]1kick6 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's frightening how someone so fucking poor at reasoning can have a job in a highly logical/analytical field: law professor.

Might explain why the latest ranking of law schools places University of Arkansas at #61: professors too busy being SJW nutbags to properly instruct students.

[–]2trway14 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Don't tell the justice system not to do their job of prosecuting criminals; tell women not to make false allegations.

[–]waldo888 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Shouldn't she want them imprisoned to not get in the way of real rape claims? idk can this shit even be real?

[–]Dorrog 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It's unreal if you assume feminism is about women rights. It makes a lot of sense if you think feminism is about rich women looking for more privileges.

[–]Idle_Redditing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About that point. Do you know what rich feminist women are like to poor women? Behavior and such? Even to poor feminist women if there are any.

[–]juanqunt 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I think false accusers should get the same punishment as the accused had he been convicted. That's the only true equality.

[–]frostchomp 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i do also think you have to prove she was lying. if there simply wasn't enough evidence to sentence the man, as can be the case, then obviously it doesn't mean the woman is necessarily lying, there just isn't enough evidence to back up her claims. sending a woman who got raped to jail because she tried to convict her rapist but failed is obviously terrible as well, so unless you can prove definitively that there was consent, the woman walks free. but that probably goes without saying. i just think you need to be careful about it: this policy could be misunderstood and could discourage victims of actual violence coming forward, if they're scared of being sent to jail.

[–]juanqunt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Needs to have fair due process for both.

[–]crayzar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As shitty as it is, the problem with equal punishment is that if someone gets caught up in accusing someone of rape (peer pressure by SJW "friend"), they won't want to back out of it, they will commit to their lies 100%. They will have zero incentive to clear a man's name if they will receive punishment.

[–]1redpillbanana 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Feminists seem to think that perjury is not a big deal when it comes to rape accusations. I wonder how they would feel if a woman had her life ruined by a false rape accusation?

Perjury is a felony offense in the USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

Perjury is considered a serious offence as it can be used to usurp the power of the courts, resulting in miscarriages of justice. In the United States, for example, the general perjury statute under Federal law classifies perjury as a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to five years.[2] The California Penal Code allows for perjury to be a capital offense in cases causing wrongful execution. However prosecutions for perjury are rare.[3]

[–]tsotha 7 points8 points  (2 children)

False rape accusations are almost never prosecuted at all in the US. You really have to piss off a judge to get even a misdemeanor charge. Crystal Mangam almost put four guys away for decades and they didn't charge her at all. Well, until she knifed her boyfriend. Boyfriends.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

She still got a pussy pass after nearly killing a kid and some others in a fire she started on purpose. It wasn't until she murdered someone they finally put her away.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But somehow she still has to be a victim despite being obviously violent and willing to do anything to get what she wants. The only difference I see between her and most violent girls is this one was finally incarcerated.

[–]redpilltom 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Do they know how hard it is to send a woman to jail for a false rape accusation? You have to prove 1) the rape didn't happen 2) she knew the rape didn't happen and 3) she lied so profusely and consistently with so much conflicting evidence that there is no doubt that she went in to lie and hurt another human being by manipulating the law. Motherfucker, how does that effect women who have actually been raped?

[–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) the rape didn't happen

This has been proven many times in the past.

2) she knew the rape didn't happen

Usually implied by (1) in the majority of cases.

3) she lied so profusely and consistently with so much conflicting evidence that there is no doubt that she went in to lie and hurt another human being by manipulating the law.

Usually implied by (1) and (2) in the majority of cases.

...and despite proving all this, they still aren't sent to jail.

[–]WhiteTrashInTrouble 9 points10 points  (1 child)

women who report violence are being imprisoned'

These are not women who are "reporting violence" you twat.

[–]1critter_about_towne 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's something that really stood out to me as well. She disregards the court's conclusion that the women in question did not, in fact, report violence but instead lied about it. She disregards this because in the reality narrative she wishes to impose upon others, those accusations must have been true by definition, and this must never be questioned or doubted.

[–]220090 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Three of the five murderers:

  • Ensar Gol "wild Turkish wolf ready to slit their throats";
  • Danai Muhammadi;
  • Muhammed Asad Niazi

Sounds like there's a different problem here...that the feminists don't want to admit.

[–]massthetics 15 points16 points  (0 children)

terri@uark.edu

Email of the assistant to the dean of the school of law at University of Arkansas, where Lisa Avalos teaches. Let's actually do something about this.

[–]TheRealMewt 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What this author doesn't understand is that placing anyone in jail is a big fucking deal. If the facts are muddy and an innocent man is punished, that's not only two or more innocent lives ruined while the guilty party still walks in public, but also an extra financial burden passed on to the taxpayers. If a truly guilty man is misbelieved to be innocent, or hell if a man is convicted by public opinion and not by the courts, you can incite riots across an entire country.

You're damn right I want any nation's justice department to take each significant crime VERY seriously because it's all too easy to see what happens when truth and justice fails.

[–]tsotha 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She seems to understand placing women in jail is a big fucking deal. It's the innocent men who don't concern her.

Wonder if she's a clam bumper.

[–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What this author doesn't understand is that placing anyone in jail is a big fucking deal.

What this author understands it that placing women in jail is a big fucking deal. Men? Meh, who cares...they're disposable.

[–]Telly_Valentino 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The UK takes an aggressive approach against false rape allegations? That's fucking awesome. I'm happy for you Brits. Hell, I'm jealous that it's not like that here in the US. Maybe someday our backwards ass country will start to catch up.

[–]Shaft-of-Patriarchy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our approach really isn't that aggressive I'm afraid to say. Merely aggressive enough to piss off the gynosupremacists. Which is to say that occasionally a prosecution will occur.

I've heard of multiple cases where the accusations have run to double figures before action has been taken

[–]Transmigratory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feminists need to deal with it. Unlike the US, who seem to pander to feminists in this regard, the UK actually does see the damage these hamsters can do to someone's life.

Even here (the UK), the stigma of being labelled a rapist is harsh. The main difference: the labelers won't get a pussy pass by UK law.

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

women who report violence are being imprisoned

No, women who LIE about violence are being imprisoned.

[–]tenthirtyone1031 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They should fight for punishment to be twice as hard for false allegations as those accusers are also trivializing the actual victims.

[–]jelloba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

violates human rights violates human rights violates human rights

My fucking God. What are human rights? Nowadays, anything that someone doesn't like is a violation of human rights.

[–]MartialWay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...women who report violence are being imprisoned'."

Wrong, this isn't imprisoning those who report violence, this is imprisoning those who invent fake stories of violence in an effort to get the state to use REAL violence against them. They're vicious predators and should be treated as such.

[–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lisa Longstaff, from War, said: “It’s appalling that when over 90% of rapists are getting away with it and two women a week are killed by partners or ex-partners, women who report violence are being imprisoned.

Damn these people are morally bankrupt. "Women who report violence...and are so agregiously lying about it that they're pursued and convicted of lying about it...are being imprisoned, and this is a problem".

[–]chillmonkey88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So 20 women a year have prosecuted... that means that 20 men have also been falsely prosecuted and had to scratch and claw there innocence back just to climb out of the sex crime hole to see there livelihood has been burned down to ruin... God forbid these women get punished... I mean... it's not like they're trivializing rape! Amirite?

[–]Idle_Redditing 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can anyone explain the basis to me that 90% of rapists are getting away with it? Real or feminist basis, where does that number come from?

[–]Shaft-of-Patriarchy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In broad strokes it comes from the fact that they believe an expenentially larger number of rapes are happening than are reported. Because patriarchy.

And that every rape that is reported, actually occurred. Because women don't lie about such things, and patriarchy.

And therefore at least 90% of rapists are getting away with it

[–]forbiddenone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women who report violence are being imprisoned

It's worth pointing out the little word game that is being played here, as it is one of their favorite tactics.

It is true that some women who report violence are being imprisoned.

The trick is that she is presuming that the reports are true, and is playing a sort of confidence (wo)man's game with words to try to prod you into sharing that position by masking the maneuver with the gravitas of the issue of rape.

She wants you to FEEL the emotions evoked by the image of a woman reporting violence that actually happened being imprisoned, while not TECHNICALLY saying that that is the case in all of these cases, as that would expose her to being refuted.

[–]NS_white -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they truly cared about rape rates they would be busy stopping the third worlders entering the country.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women know what happens to innocent guys who go to jail falsely accused of being raped:

http://www.clickpb.com.br/static/images/dynamic/articles/2014/04/internautas-da-pb-usam-redes-sociais-para-defender-violencia-contra-acusado-de-estupro.jpg.280x200_q85_crop.jpg

An innocent accused of rape in jail is worse than an innocent accused of anything else. Rapists get beaten and fucked up the ass in jail everyday, and maybe rightfully so. I think a woman who falsely accuses someone of raping her should do at least 3 years in jail to learn how to be a better human being.