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[–]sunwukong15 393 points394 points  (54 children)

People who are drunk cannot give legal consent.


Your husband might feel this was an awesome experience, but if he coerced (or forced) your friend (and/or you) to have sex with him while you were blackout drunk, then he is worse than a cheater — he is a rapist.

Yet the husband was also drunk. Therefore, the husband was unable to give legal consent. This women entered a families home and raped her friends husband. She is a rapist.

They are either both rapists or neither of them are. Which is more logical?

[–]Chrysoscelis[S] 136 points137 points  (33 children)

Logic can not work in only one direction, it has to go both ways.

[–]silly_bird 224 points225 points  (6 children)

Feminist logic does, because it's feelz before realz.

[–]symko 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Then therefore that is not logic, nothing more than emotion.

[–]dawg826 36 points37 points  (1 child)

You forget feminists apply whatever meaning to whatever word is right for whichever situation they so choose. feelz = logic, penis = rape

[–]symko 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Maybe one day when they are older and wiser(lol), they can explain it to their overfed cat who was too plump to escape her clutches.

[–]Rainymood_XI 13 points14 points  (0 children)

emotion == logic

checkmate misogymnasts

[–]Runs_with_Dick 40 points41 points  (19 children)

But somehow in the eyes of the law, the person with the prick is always the rapist and the cunt is the victim. It happens all the time at college campuses nowadays; a girl gets drunk at a party, blacks out, wakes up next to someone questionable and files a rape charge. She was drunk so legally couldn’t give consent and therefore raped. The “rapist” was in the same state of mind, but somehow the same logic doesn’t apply. There’s a big difference from dragging a blacked out girl into a bedroom drunk and having drunk sex with a drunken partner, but the law doesn’t see it that way. What The Fuck?

[–]ScreaminMime 16 points17 points  (13 children)

Kind of off topic but how can drunks give consent to be field tested or give blood then?

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 37 points38 points  (8 children)

How can they be held accountable for driving while intoxicated? They didn't consent to it, they were drunk!

[–]ScreaminMime 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Great point, how can they be held accountable for being drunk. They couldn't give legal consent after the 2nd beer!

[–]bamslang 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Cop here. Most states have what are called implied consent laws when you get a drivers license.

When you signed forms to apply for a driver’s license, you agreed to comply with requests by law enforcement officers to take chemical testing to determine your blood-alcohol content (BAC). Chemical testing includes breath, blood, and urine testing. A breath test can be administered roadside or at any location; blood and urine testing can only be performed at a medical facility or detention facility.

Also, you find yourself in a catch 22. If you go on record stating, "I was too drunk to give consent to a sobriety test." Then you are admitting guilt in the fact that you were driving while intoxicated.

[–]RandomRedditor7117 2 points3 points  (3 children)

"But I was drunk. My vehicle coerced me to drive! I swear I didn't want to."

The whole drinking/rape thing is weird because it says we can't be held accountable for decisions we make while drunk... yet it applies for driving still. Hmmm.

[–]bamslang 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Driving you have to be conscious. If the chicks passed out drunk, then I'm okay with that being classified as non consensual. If shes awake but just sloppy drunk and is willing, it should be consensual. If you drink and your ambitions are lowered, that's your fucking fault.

[–]1Zanford 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Of course. The question is why this logic applies to driving but not to sex.

[–]bamslang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because people lie and the chick will just say, "I was so drunk I was passed out and he raped me."

In the case cited, it's bullshit, but lawyers will still argue it and juries will still believe it.

[–]bamslang 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Cop here. Most states have what are called implied consent laws when you get a drivers license.

When you signed forms to apply for a driver’s license, you agreed to comply with requests by law enforcement officers to take chemical testing to determine your blood-alcohol content (BAC). Chemical testing includes breath, blood, and urine testing. A breath test can be administered roadside or at any location; blood and urine testing can only be performed at a medical facility or detention facility.

Also, you find yourself in a catch 22. If you go on record stating, "I was too drunk to give consent to a sobriety test." Then you are admitting guilt in the fact that you were driving while intoxicated.

[–]iggybdawg 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What then when a woman accuses a man of rape, but she initiated it and he was more drunk than her?

Doesn't her initiating sex imply consent?

(asking because a friend got blackout drunk and plead no contest to being charged with rape by a girl that was also blackout drunk and likely initiated sex with him, because he had no memory of what happened.)

[–]bamslang 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Cops and lawyers interpret the law differently all of the time. To me, unless she expressly says "no" or "stop" in context of non consent, it's not rape. Statutory is a different story obviously.

It's a fucking joke how different our criminal justice system treats the different sexes.

[–]emblasochist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to see that law enforcement has some representation here on TRP. The law sucks, no doubt, but lots of cops don't share your frame, which makes the laws suck worse.

[–]bamslang 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Did a little research and found that this was a defense for the defendant in a rape case.

The catch comes in here:

Veile said intoxication wouldn't help Vandenburg clear himself of recklessness, which is one of several factors in prosecuting aggravated rape. "(Defendants) cannot later claim that they were 'so drunk' that they were unaware of a substantial risk," he said.

So intoxication can clear you of intent or maybe negligence, but not recklessness, which is used in the statute.

[–]Skiffbug 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Ok, But if two people are being wreckless by being drunk and having sex, why is one more culpable than the other?

It would be fun to see the proceeding of that sort of case with two lesbians having black-out drunk sex. "But I didn't consent", "I didn't consent either"...,

[–]massthetics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Under California law at least, the culpable one is the one who 'advanced proceedings towards intercourse'

[–]bamslang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. To me, the only real question is conscious vs unconscious.

[–]1Zanford 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing. So the best defense against a drunk rape change is to preemptively file one against the other person. Because the defendent was 'reckless' whereas the plaintiff was 'impaired'.

[–]BluepillProfessor 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You are mistaken if you think feminism- or for that matter ANY woman- is governed by "logic."

[–]_fappycamper 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I hope logic stands in the court of law.

[–]PositiveNed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As it stands logic does not in fact law is often arbitrary and even illogical.

[–]Anderfail 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women don't use logic ergo, male inebriation doesn't matter.

[–]keto_cub 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Logical statements do not go both ways. They go in one direction and have a contrapositive which is also true.

Rationally it has to go both ways, though, and these women ain't rational.

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Women are strong and independent and can do anything men can do just as well or better.

Unless they have equal BAC's and have consensual sex - then women are less capable of rational decision making then men, and therefore cannot be held responsible for their actions.

A lot of feminist logic only makes sense if you assume that being a female is some kind of mental illness.

[–]emblasochist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be perfectly honest, there are two reasons that being female isn't diagnosed as a mental illness; it's deemed inappropriate to call 52% of the species mentally ill, because women then think that they are being blamed for being born female and get mad about it, and secondly, there are women who aspire to be logical at all times, rare as they are.

[–]last_to_know 38 points39 points  (0 children)

She brought the bottle and got him drunk! He should press charges!

[–]gmonkee 29 points30 points  (1 child)

The husband may have a claim for intentional interference with a marital relationship, a well-recognized cause of action in many states. She brought a bottle of scotch, got them both drunk, fucked the husband, and now seems to be forcing wife to choose friendship over husband.

[–]calabazadelamuerte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell, there could have been more than just booze in the bottle she brought too.

[–]1RXRob 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You nailed it. The so called friend came to the house, drugged the married couple, raped the husband and ran away at the first opportunity.

Somebody needs to get these aggressive sex criminals off the streets immediately.

[–]Hank711 15 points16 points  (4 children)

You can give legal consent if you are drunk as long as you aren't incapacitated.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to feminists, a woman is too drunk to consent if she used mouthwash that morning.

[–]gqtrees 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"she was emotionally vulnerable" was the husband. Wife down for a threesome will get any man emotionally vulnerable. But as always, blame the guy, because he has a dick.

[–]Draki1903 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No no no, the man is the rapist, but the woman is a rapist and a home intruder. If anything is missing, she is also a kleptomaniac.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

what's also deeply troubling about this (aside of course from the most appalling fact drunk men are only charged with responsibility, as was illustrated in that case between two drunk college 18 year olds.) is that feminism is the only reason that "law" was ever created in the first place. They're essentially like, "well I have this opinion that men fucking drunk girls is rape, and to prove it, just take a look at this law that was totally not made by the coercion of people that share my opinion in the first place."

It's a fucking loop where they're justifying their opinion with the product of their opinion.

[–]dan_legend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People who are drunk cannot give legal consent.

This is astonishing to me, why does this not apply to DUI's? I didn't give the car keys legal consent to start my car, why am I getting charged with a DUI??!!

[–]pastrie300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But women can't rape men /s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me sunwukong15's reply is beautiful because it crosses boundaries of redpill/bluepill thought, a dispassionate alien observer from another solar system should be able to understand and agree. Well done.

[–]1Zanford 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bingo. The woman brought over the scotch (shows premeditated intent). She's the rapist, if anyone.

[–]Popeman79 84 points85 points  (7 children)

I agree, these stories are a dime a dozen. Still, they never cease to amaze -and anger- me!

If we consider the two women in the story adults, there is nothing to talk about here. If we consider the two women unresponsible kids, then the guy clearly took advantage of them.

Feminism --> demanding that we treat all women as strong, independent, empowered kids

[–]1too_long_didnt_read 38 points39 points  (6 children)

They want the rights and benefits without the associated responsibility that comes with them. Modern feminism in a nutshell.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Uncle Ben would roll over in his grave if he could see what the world has come to.

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    [–]Artinz7 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Spiderman reference, Peter Parker's Uncle Ben said, "With great power comes creat responsibility"

    [–]juanqunt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    He stole Aunt Jemima's market shares! #patriarchy

    [–]omnicidial 51 points52 points  (5 children)

    My ex (currently getting divorced) encouraged me to have a threesome then tried to use that as evidence in court that I also cheated on her during the marriage (she slept with a bunch of people, I never did anything without her there encouraging etc).

    People will do the craziest shit when they think it's to their benefit.

    [–]omglazers 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    That's a scary thought for me.

    [–]colovick 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    No fault divorces have been around for a long time. The court will listen but don't care.

    [–]DingoManDingo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Did that hold up as evidence?

    [–]omnicidial 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Of adultery? Not that I'm aware of but it hasn't gotten that far. My attorney said it won't.

    [–]begege 96 points97 points  (7 children)

    Sounds like her and her friend decided to set up her husband for a nice lucrative divorce case. Cheating and "rape!" What could better convince a family court that she deserves all his assets?

    The fact is, peaceful negotiations won't overturn these abuses of law and egalitarianism.

    It's called "war" and until men realize and start acting like it is "war" - these women will continue to get away with these immense tyrannies and injustices. Women are just as capable of taking responsibility for their own choices when they drink as men. There is no greater insult to actual rape victims than stating that getting drunk and having sex is pretty much the same thing.

    The use of women for sexual seduction in war is nothing new - and the liberals are employing it wholeheartedly:

    [–]deangelomega 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    I agree with begege here. This is an insult to rape victims as well as people who were cheated on.

    [–]iloveyoumorethanham 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Insult to women and anyone who drinks as well.

    [–]JovianTrainWreck 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Beige Phillip Rule #1: We. Are. At. WAR.

    [–]begege 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Not familiar with that person, but it is unfortunate that I certainly agree with that sentiment.

    [–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The Beige Phillip Show is a podcast that aligns very well with TRP, and has a pretty fascinating history that started with its predecessor "The Black Phillip Show" hosted by the late great Patrice O'Neal, and co-host Dante Nero. In terms of podcasts it was a little rough around the edges at the time, but it was essentially a rag-tag group effort that sought to help people with relationship issues and alleviated a lot of pain for a LOT of people by giving their insight on a range of issues - they were comedians, and some of the callers and guests were pretty Blue Pill (or women) so the results were fucking hilarious.

    Dante picked up the torch a few years after Patrice's passing, and is currently doing The Beige Phillip Show with a couple of new co-hosts Harry Terjanian (tech guy, fellow comedian, "pimp in progress"), and Mara Marek (fellow comedian, pretty much a RP woman - a "defective model"). It'll never be the same without Patrice, but the show's matured a lot over the years, has an awesome lineup of guests, and is still awesome to listen to.

    You might not be as crazy as I am by listening to the entirety of The Beige Phillip Show from the floor up, but I do highly recommend at least checking out the small handful of episodes of The Black Phillip Show on youtube. I still listen to both.

    [–]WhiteTrashInTrouble 90 points91 points  (4 children)

    TL;DR: Woman breaks up with her boyfriend and goes on a raping spree, goes to friends house with booze, gets couple drunk and rapes everybody.

    [–]dawg826 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Pump and dump in a nutshell. Gets them drunk, fucks them, and then demands to never see them again.

    [–]applesaucejenkins 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    Don't forget the part where he's misogynist because he thought he could have two women at the same time and racist because they were both white.

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Why didn't he rape a black girl? I rest my case, your honor.

    [–]SweetiePieJonas 35 points36 points  (5 children)

    If you reversed the genders on this one, they'd be calling it a gang rape.

    [–]BluepillProfessor 17 points18 points  (4 children)

    Imagine the case if the husband were a fraternity boy. These bitches would have had him calling all his friends to gang rape her with shards of glass.

    Women lie all the time. How can we believe them when they say ANYTHING?

    [–]SweetiePieJonas 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Slow your roll, man. I think it's probably true that women lie more often than men do, but its not a significant difference given that both men and women lie constantly. The main difference is what men and women lie about and what their motivations are for lying.

    [–]Shaft-of-Patriarchy 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    Its like Chris Rock says

    Men lie the most, women tell the biggest lies

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I think the biggest reason men lie though is to maneuver women's emotions, and the biggest reason women lie is their emotions, lol.

    [–]FlemJef 46 points47 points  (17 children)

    So as long as you're drunk, you're not responsible for your own actions? Sweet!

    Anybody up for drunk driving?

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      [–]rebuildingMyself 18 points19 points  (12 children)

      I vaguely recall a story where a drunk woman left a bar and drunk drove herself into an accident. They tried to make the bar liable.

      [–]mtersen 22 points23 points  (9 children)

      there is a recent case where a female JUDGE got pulled over and charged for drunk driving (she opted out if the breathelyzer, but the video shows she cant walk a straight line and was clearly wasted) and she screamed in the video "please! no! this will ruin my life!" Her case was dismissed and she is back to work.

      [–]rebuildingMyself 25 points26 points  (3 children)

      pussypass + governmentthug-pass. A wonderful privilege to have

      [–]mtersen 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It keeps me up at night knowing this is the world i have to raise my children in

      [–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      She's damn near invincible.

      [–]smokeybehr 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      It was the County DA for Austin TX, IIRC. The worst part about this was that she was in charge of the "board of judicial ethics" or something similarly named for the county she was in. She was the one that brought ethics charges against Rick Perry for a perfectly legal act.

      [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      No, I think he's referring to the judge in the Valley, one of the Longorias.

      [–]mtersen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Either way, both of these are perfect examples that women are above the law. and instances like this advertise the fact to other women who haven't realised they're legal superiority yet.

      [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Oh totally. It says something that what you described could apply to one of two recent and prominent cases, too.

      [–]mtersen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      What a day to be alive, watching humanity go through widespread societal growing pains.

      [–]1AreYouAware_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      That's not really a pussypass issue. Bars are legally obligated to turn away and refuse service to people who are already roaring drunk. As a matter of public safety, I find that reasonable.

      [–]Shaft-of-Patriarchy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Umm... I think you may be failing to see the wood for the trees here dude.

      Yes, bars are obligated to turn people away who are already roaring drunk.

      What they arent obligated to do is stop them getting roaring drunk in the first place.

      And a person doesnt need to be roaring drunk in order to be several times the drink driving limit and get themselves into a smash.

      As a matter of public safety, i agree, its a reasonable burden to place on a bar. But im really not sure what relevance it has to this case.

      [–]GhostOfAladdin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I know a girl who got drunk, crashed her car into a parked car...

      The cop came, realized she was drunk and told her to "go home."

      Not kidding.

      P.s.: She openly told me this. I red flagged her.

      [–]Lt_Muffintoes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      If you get wasted, grab a woman off the street and see to her, has she raped you?

      [–]Billetbill 36 points37 points  (4 children)

      This "Dear Amy" bitch would probably struggle to understand that if my friend gives me a bottle of scotch, and I take a shotgun and shoot all the windows out of the hospital, that I'd be the one responsible. The fact that "upset" encouraged her husband to rail her skank friend just goes to show that she is a fucktard stupid knuckle dragging cunt. The guy was drunk like everyone else having sex but out of every three people one just has to be a rapist, amirite? Dumb bitch even has to ask if it is considered cheating, does she have fucking rocks in her head? She probably can't even remember if she's married or not. Let's have a moment of silence to reflect on all the stupid motherfuckers who died because they were too stupid to remember to breathe.

      [–]9000sins 18 points19 points  (3 children)

      Let's have a moment of silence to reflect on all the stupid motherfuckers who died because they were too stupid to remember to breathe.

      I laughed my ass off when I read this. You made my morning. Thanks man.

      [–]1runnerrun2 19 points20 points  (5 children)

      Notice how she changed her mind after the fact. If her friend had left normally in the morning, all would have been well. There is quite some number of rape allegations that originate from women changing their mind afterwards. Usually through interaction with friends or family or if the guy was suddenly a jerk the next day.

      It's always good practice to make sure you frame a sexual experience you had with a girl as a positive thing to minimize the odds of this happening. Of course it's not always under your control.

      [–]mtersen 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      her feelings (regret) are under no one's control, not even hers

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      Yes. They are. Good bedside manner will save you all manner of pain.

      You can drop a girl, but make sure you make the drop seem natural, somewhat after banging her. And let her have some false hope. That way she keeps trying to get with you, and she can't hamster that you're a rapist.

      [–]1wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      didn't that one art school bitch lugging around her mattress until her "rapist" gets expelled just blame her ex-boyfriend of rape like 3 years after the fact? I bet her GPA was in peril so she had to pull out the victim card to graduate. I did a spit take when someone earnestly put a trigger warning for "descriptions of violent rape" when all it described was that he choked her, smacked her face, tied her up and spanked her and whatnot... Have these headhunters seriously never considered that this was just some kinky dirty sex? Fucking ridiculous.

      Point being, a girl can pin allegations on you any number of years after the time you fuck her so long as it's within three years of her connecting the incident with her life trauma, as I heard mentioned in the Bill Cosby cases. "woe is me, my life is in shambles and I failed all of these classes because I'm bitter that my boyfriend dumped my crazy ass!!" Get real.

      [–]mtersen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You can manipulate and play her emotions too, but that will only last temporarily, and putting up a charade to dump her is very complicated and tiring. And even then, crazy knows no limits. If she wants to blame you and vilify you, she will without a care. Actually, thats their main go-to tactic once you stop giving them what they want.

      [–]TheRealMouseRat 40 points41 points  (0 children)

      two girls decide that they want to get divorced together. frames poor guy to get all his shit. don't get married.

      [–]MagnanimousGenius 39 points40 points  (5 children)

      This is fucking disgusting. And people will still buy into this shit. SHE (the friend) brought the bottle of Scotch, yet even then it's still the male who has 'coerced' her into sex, and therefore raped her, as they were all under the influence. Remembering that SHE brought the fucking alcohol.

      The mind boggles

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 17 points18 points  (3 children)

      To some extent, this is because people realize on some visceral level that women don't have the same level of agency, on average, as men do.

      [–]1wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      that's because men fuck and women get fucked. Men inherently must act upon the women. However, women have way more control on who fucks them than they are willing to admit. Dead bedrooms don't exist by virtue of the man (most of the time). In the woman's mind, the man is not acting enough, but when it comes to regretful sex- THE MAN DID ALL THE ACTING.

      [–]Jetshadow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      This is what really bothered me; the friend brought booze and initiated, and the wife encouraged. In this case, the friend is just butthurt (possibly both literally and figuratively) with regret. If it bothered her the morning after, the adult thing to do is approach the husband and wife and say "So that happened, but I'm uncomfortable about it, so let's not let that happen again." Instead, hamstering occurs, and it then infects the wife.

      [–]slimcoat 52 points53 points  (9 children)

      For the record, I am 100% for equality and...

      For the record, you don't ever need to justify yourself like this on this forum. The disclaimer is already implied and utterly unnecessary. Nobody here will be offended by your words, and if they are, they'll be (justly) down-voted.

      [–]Chrysoscelis[S] 10 points11 points  (8 children)

      Ah, understood. My concern was for non-RP people that read this forum.

      [–]Hokuto199x 65 points66 points  (1 child)

      Don't be concerned. Their opinions are meaningless.

      [–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      At least until the shit hits the fan for them and they end up swallowing the pill.

      [–]symko 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      If you go into a biker bar and order a cosmopolitan, you better be willing to get what's coming and it ain't the cosmopolitan .

      [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Order a vodka and cranberry, same thing, not as gay. You'll only be laughed at, not have the shit kicked out of you.

      [–]Jetshadow 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      I will unapologetically order my amaretto sour or appletini. No regrets.

      [–]Mettephysics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I appreciated the disclaimer and found this tale and others like it absolutely horrendous

      Edit: typos

      [–]J2501 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      If people who are drunk cannot legally give consent then why do they allow police to search drunk people?

      [–]fatfaggotfuck69 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I got raped a few days ago. I got black out drunk and my girl had sex with me. The next day she mentioned having sex the night before and I went along with it, but I had no recollection.

      It doesn't bother me one bit. Except for the part where I have a drinking problem.

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        [–]drrtyfrrnr 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        Obviously not consensual-after-the-fact.


        [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 27 points28 points  (2 children)

        She texted me that she'll never see me again as long as I'm married to my husband.

        Obviously the friend is now infatuated with the husband and is deep in denial. The only way she can handle her new alpha widowhood is to avoid being around anyone or anything that reminds her of the best fuck of her life.

        I'm being facetious, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the friend really does have an infatuation with the husband now. Women who are the third wheel in a threesome are naturally going to fall in "love" with the alpha who can fuck two women at once.

        [–]Red_King_Rising 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        That happened to me in college. My girlfriend and I had threesome with her best friend. The best friend kept trying to come over and hook up with me when my girl wasn't around. I turned her away because while it was fun, my girl was hotter and better (and I was starting to fall in love). The friend became my biggest hater. She still hates me to this day. Threesomes, someone always gets hurt.

        [–]lieagle 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        People who are drunk cannot give legal consent.

        This really gets me every time. If someone drives a car while drunk, they're at fault. Rightfully so, even though they were drunk, they screwed up. There needs to be consequences for your actions.

        What's more is they were both drunk. So, you can't say only one party was the rapist, and the other is the raped because of alcohol. People need to accept that they do things that they normally wouldn't when they're drunk. That shouldn't exonerate them from the consequences of their actions in either case.

        [–]rebuildingMyself 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        What they really mean is women who are drunk and acting like complete (but conscious) whores cannot give consent

        [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 24 points25 points  (6 children)

        For the record, I am 100% for equality and eliminating sexual, physical, and emotional/verbal abuse.

        Men and women are not equal. Her letter to Amy clearly shows this. Women don't have the same mental faculties that men do. They are not socialized to take responsibility for their behavior. They have less agency than men. They point the finger as soon as their feelings flip flop. They are Jekyll and Hyde inside their own heads.

        Equality is an MRA pipe dream. We are not the same and therefore can not possibly be equal. Nature has made us unequal in constitution and temperament. Men and women are no more equal than a spider and a scorpion are "equal."

        [–]popthatpill 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        I think "equality" is good as a talking point, though (see Alinsky's rule #4 - make the enemy live up to their own book of rules).

        If strategically feigning concern about "equality" works for us, we should use it; if it doesn't, dump it.

        [–]symko 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        That's the amazing aspect. They preach equality but somehow I keep getting new female bosses with obviously made up bullshit titles.

        [–]Chrysoscelis[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I agree with this. Equality would require women to live by the same standards as men.

        [–]Mechbiscuit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I think it's funny that the word equality has different definitions depending on who's using it.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This is truly the core of the debate. If women don't want agency then they are admitting that they are not equal and therefore deserve less legal and social responsibility in exchange for less legal and social freedoms. They claim they don't want that... and yet they don't want agency.

        [–]rebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        As far as I was concerned, MRA ended with legal equality. No more pussypass, in other words.

        [–]2asd1100 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Can I hold him responsible?


        I don't know how you can accuse your husband of "cheating" when you were present, encouraged this, and (according to you) invited him to participate.

        ...sure wish I could, but maybe in 30 years we can convince society that men can brainwash us.

        but if he coerced (or forced) your friend (and/or you) to have sex with him while you were blackout drunk, then he is worse than a cheater — he is a rapist.

        and this is how you change minute it was a bad idea, the next it wasn't sober sex and you then jump on the rape train and got to accuse your husband of something!! Thank you for playing Patriarchal hamster! Have a nice night.

        I am 100% for equality and eliminating sexual, physical, and emotional/verbal abuse.

        Everyone is for equality, the devil is in the nuace: we are to different to actually have "equality" of results .

        See, that is the issue with SJW, you can not "eliminate" evil. Like war on drugs, terrorism or democracy. You can not fight words. You need to fight people and there you again have nuance, so it's very easy to do more harm than good if you just chop trough them idealistically.

        [–]1rlh1271 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I am so sick of the idea that you can't hold a drunk person legally responsible for their actions. Bull-fucking-shit. Can you imagine that argument bearing ANY weight in a DUI case?

        "Uhhh no your honor, it wasn't my fault. It was the alcohol so you know... (pulls out phone and starts texting) I'm not responsible..."

        [–]Space_Ninja 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Maybe the friend wants them to break up so she can have the guy all to herself.

        [–]GhostOfAladdin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        What did I just read? Thanks for sourcing, i thought it was fake.

        Headline: 3 people have sex after drinking. 1 wakes up, realizes she banged her friend's husband and has bad feels.

        [–]Florist_Gump 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        I encouraged this at the time.

        That specific phrasing is educational. Nowhere else in the confessional is "at this time" used because its not needed as a timestamp, the placement of the statement within the overall story tells you the order. If I say I did X, Y, and Z I don't say "I did X, Y which followed X, then Z which followed X and Y", the order is readily apparent.

        No, what she is doing is subtly confessing, "I encouraged this behavior when it happened but I'm strongly wanting to perform a retroactive consent dismissal". After all, she now believes what her husband did is wrong so how in the world could she have agreed to doing something wrong as well when she knows she is a perfect little angel? The obvious "logical" conclusion is that she didn't really agree at the time at all. That statement is a subconscious plea for absolution, its the start of lying to herself to make herself feel better about her decisions and actions.

        [–]MelodyMyst 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Hypothetical... If this did end up in the courts, and the husband knew of this letter written by his wife, could that letter be used as evidence to prove his innocence?

        [–]foolery 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Don't forget, kids: lie, lie, lie.

        And don't EVER get married.

        [–]muddynips 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        She's not taking stock of what's rational, she's running down a checklist of what she can get away with. It's an ammo check.

        [–]Senorbubbz 10 points11 points  (7 children)

        This is why you install cameras with audio inside every room of your house, so you can later prove whatever needs be proved as time and feelz change the reality of what happened in women's minds.

        [–]rebuildingMyself 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        And for replaying during those dark lonely nights of the soul

        [–]LifeLibertyProperty 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Won't matter. All that would matter in the eyes of the law is that she was drunk. Doesn't matter who's idea it was or if he was drunk too on that bitch's booze. She drank? RAPE.

        [–]1independentmale 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        It would matter, actually. No jury is going to convict when there is a video of the girl bouncing up and down on his cock screaming "Fuck me daddy!"

        [–]flyingwolf 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I would rather have a felony wiretapping charge than have a rape charge on me, what's that tell you.

        [–]Senorbubbz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I'd think that if you own the home it wouldn't be felony wiretapping, right?

        [–]flyingwolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Surreptitious recording?

        It probably depends entirely on your local laws I am sure.

        [–]SupALupRT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        if its your house you can record whatever you want as long as you dont distribute it I imagine

        [–]UltraMittens 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        This drove me up the wall to read, so I sent an email to the address posted. Not sure it'll do any good but I'd love to get a response just to see what her reasoning behind publishing such misandrist garbage is.

        [–]1Dev_on 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I don't see it the way others are. She lost a friend, took a blow to her SMV for it, and is trying to hamster it into her being a good person.

        Had the friend still talked to her, none of this would happen.

        [–]garlicextract 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        One 750ml bottle of scotch between 3 people (granted, only one was a dude) is not THAT much alcohol. Unless they are all lightweights.

        [–]1Zanford 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The friend brought the scotch. If anything she premeditatively drugged and raped the husband.

        Also, Amy misuses 'blackout drunk'. The wife was clearly conscious DURING the sex. The fact that she passed out AFTER and has hazy memory does not

        [–]hologramfeeny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It feels like the wife fucked up, the friend fucked up, and nobody wants to say anything to the husband. He's probably completely oblivious to the fact that something is really wrong in his house hold.

        And fuck this Amy bitch. Instead of saying go tell your husband that you made a mistake and that you don't feel good about what happened, she says he's a rapist.

        And Amy is probably some idiot that read drunk and sex and immediately went to rape because those are the proper buzz words.

        [–]pupupow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "This was a horrible idea all around" - because it's every man's fantasy and clearly men aren't allowed to satisfy their sexual desires.

        [–]Rougepellet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        With feminism, logic only works in one direction, the direction they want it to go. Bunch of clowns.

        [–]through_a_ways 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        For the record, I am 100% for equality and eliminating sexual, physical, and emotional/verbal abuse.

        Hello new subscriber. You don't need to "qualify" yourself on the sub with statements like these. Everybody here assumes it or doesn't really give a fuck either way.

        [–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Yeah we don't care if you're the next Hitler or Martin Luther King Jr., it doesn't matter here. It's all about the ideas you present, and whether or not they have merit.

        [–]svogliate 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Men used to call these kinds of newspaper column "sob sisters" and we knew better than to pay any attention to them.

        What changed?

        [–]FascistComicBookHero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        The fact that this kind of shit can ruin a man's life nowadays.

        [–]ufd 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        They are still "sob sister", but what's changed is the courts.

        Dude in this may end up being falsely charged with sexual assault/rape, and as one poster suggested, it may be a ploy by the wife to get all of the dude's assets in a divorce, by saying he's a cheater and a rapist, with her friend as a witness.

        [–]boscoist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Dude, this sub is filled with rage-bait.

        [–]dw0r 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Obviously the friend was jealous of their marriage because she's just out of another failed relationship and wants to go back to the good ole days of 2 single girls. So she cleverly set both of them up to fuck so she could rip their marriage apart.

        [–]heist_of_saint_graft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        A woman's worst enemy always turns out to be someone she thinks of as a friend.

        [–]galvanised_computer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        If you get drunk and crash a car you are responsible. If you get drunk and have sex you are responsible. When you are taking that first sip of alcohol you are taking responsibility for what might happen no matter how small even if you have no idea that xyz will happen. Fucking hell these people are children not taking responsibility.

        [–]begege 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        They know they're responsible - they're just criminals abusing the system for their benefit - it's different.

        [–]JovianTrainWreck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        1. How one can possibly go from "things started to get cozy among the three of us" and interpret it into "he coerced (or forced) your friend (and/or you) to have sex with him while you were blackout drunk, then he is worse than a cheater — he is a rapist" is far beyond any level of mortal comprehension.

        2. Maybe I'm too much of a goddamn alcoholic to really know any better regarding other peoples' tolerance levels, but can I just say that a bottle of Scotch between three people CANNOT POSSIBLY BE "blackout drunk"?

        [–]220090 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        For the record, I am 100% for equality and eliminating sexual, physical, and emotional/verbal abuse.

        Clearly you are not, and you're actually 100% full of hateful rape apology, seeing as you dared to bring into question the decisions and claims of a 'victim'.

        [–]svogliate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        What does it say that I can't actually tell if you're being serious or sarcastic?

        [–]220090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What does it say that I can't actually tell if you're being serious or sarcastic?

        I think, more than anything, it decries the absurdity of the feminist reasoning. Even more absurd: that they actually have an influence on government bodies and society at large.

        [–]InLoveWithKueppers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        [–]zarus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        For the record, I am 100% for equality and eliminating sexual, physical, and emotional/verbal abuse. However, I so thoroughly despise how feminists have managed to convince our society that every man is a potential rapist and should be treated like one by default.

        In this case, there is no "however." Those problems you cite are deviations from equality.

        [–]deangelomega 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Things like this makes me believe that women hate sex and will only do it if it gives them an advantage. Makes me so glad I'm MGTOW.

        [–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I don't understand how the husband is the rapist if they were all drunk.

        [–]SamGill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        husband was raaaaaaaaaaaaaped. but then again, men don't go around accusing others of rape so much as women do.

        [–]raceAround126 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I had a threesome with a plate and a girl we met at a club.

        I can completely understand the husband saying how it was the best sexual experience he's ever had in his life. He's dead right, it fucking ruled more than anything that has ever ruled before in the entire history of "stuff that ruled".

        I think the girl we met at the club did have pangs of regret the morning after. I made breakfast (my plate was a shit cook) and she did feel a little nervous. She felt better after I started off my funny dude routine. But she was certainly not wasted drunk, neither was my plate or I. But quite frankly, getting into a threesome isn't really something you do sober! Not the first time anyway.

        The girl we found was well up for it. All the way through, my plate did the talking and the encouraging and left it under no uncertain terms what she was coming home with us for.

        Anyway, there was no retroactive consent withdrawal or any of that bollocks. She left our hotel feeling good, un-judged and she had a good time too!

        What I guess has happened is probably what this girl my plate and I fucked. She enjoyed it, but then decided that she didn't like the fact that she enjoyed it a little too much. During our session, the girl was even calling moves and even discovered a few things about herself she didn't know! But she didn't like she found those things out.

        The wife's friend in this post I'd say feels the same thing. She enjoyed getting fucked by her friend's husband and enjoyed that the wife was up for it and there was a lot of fucking. She doesn't like the fact that she enjoyed it and is relying on the tired old bollocks excuse we all know and love.

        The wife is feeding off the victim complex of her friend. Afterall, women need to be the bigger victims, right? So now, not only did her husband rape this girl, he also cheated! That's double as bad as the rape, right? That's two things, surely? I guess we should just grab some popcorn and wait until this guy has his name splattered on the newspaper headlines!

        It goes to show - you don't always know what you're fucking. She could be a straight up lunatic! But if we as men were constantly afraid of that, we'd never fuck anybody, right? I mean sure, you get a few crazies in your hands from time to time. The real trick is nexting it as soon as you spot it!

        [–]Goupidan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        People who are drunk cannot give legal consent.

        If I kill someone while drunk driving, oh well... too bad... no fault...

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        My girlfriend is a serial rapist with this logic because "Scotchy Scotch Scotch....I love Scotch. Here it goes...down to my belly"

        Nothing hotter than my girl sitting on my lap and taking a drink of my scotch and a puff of my cigar.

        [–]sway_usa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ewwww sounds like a boyfriend

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I see it differently. The friend doesn't want to come around because she wants to fuck her husband some more, not because he raped her. Fuck, this is what happens when you're the kind of man bitches want to fuck. Rape? Oh fucking puhlease. Cheating? Bitch was there telling him to fuck her friend stupid.

        Regret isnt rape. Jesus tittyfucking christ.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Evey rape claim is a false rape claim.

        I nullify or hang every jury I'm on for a rape trial.