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[–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 76 points77 points  (19 children)

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On that note: Whoever says bedding women is not part of The Red Pill: You are too stupid to read the sidebar that clearly says "discussion of sexual strategy".

I don't think the argument is that TRP isn't about bedding women. I think it's more along the lines of "the sole purpose of TRP is not about bedding women."

I find it hard to restrict this subreddit to just sexual strategy. When you get going and see the world for what it is, it's hard to stop and not go down the path to dark englightenment. Moreover, I see no reason to restrict it to that. Sexual strategy is by all means good and should remain the focus, but it like many other "radical ideas" that have been part of the formation of the dark enlightenment should qualify as "red pill theory."

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 51 points52 points  (5 children)

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I don't think the argument is that TRP isn't about bedding women. I think it's more along the lines of "the sole purpose of TRP is not about bedding women."

This. The purpose of TRP is to see reality. The reality of everything from HBD to Gender Relations to How To Advance In Your Career to What Makes Society Work to Whatever. Then it is up to the individual man to use that knowledge however they see fit.

A great deal of men will use that knowledge to bed women. Because of that, it will be the main focus of this sub. There is nothing wrong with that, because part of understanding gender relations is understanding men's biological drive for sex.

[–]vaker 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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The purpose of TRP is to see reality. The reality of everything from HBD to Gender Relations to How To Advance In Your Career to What Makes Society Work to Whatever.

Totally agree. The Red Pill metaphor clearly indicates that it focuses reality.

We should distinguish between tactics and strategy. TRP officially calls itself strategy:

  • Strategy is understanding HBD, the true evolutionary strategies of both sexes, what attracts each and similar topics. It includes how society misinforms and distorts these, and what are the correct mental attitudes for men. All those things you've listed above.
  • Tactics are behaviors and tricks (faking SMV, etc) that help with bedding individual women.

While there are obvious overlaps, strategy is firmly Red Pill territory, and tactics is mostly PUA and should be discussed primarily on seddit. Frankly posts like 'I opened this group at the bar and f-closed an 11 with this well-known trick' are quite boring most of the time.

[–]kzwrp[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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should be discussed on seddit.

I fear Seddit's too soft for actual redpill tactics

[–]1trplurker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Tactics are important because the demonstration the theory in practice. They are artificially recreating natural biological urges and really important for folks to learn calibration.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Tactics are important because the demonstration the theory in practice.

Yeah, that's what I've attempted to do my best in all of my FRs. Not only what I did, but why I did it and why it worked.

[–]templeprocess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I use TRP as a pallette in all of these walks of life.

As far as sexuality goes, I haven't gotten laid in awhile--I moved from Nashville to Athens, GA recently-but the Red Pill help me identify that sometimes, its better to just go home and jack off and keep my mind focused on improving myself than being disappointed with this. My improvements will get me what I want and truly need.

Its helped me in the work place by remembering to keep my head out of the gossip bowl and focus on improving myself.

[–]Evers89 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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This here. It's never been my main mission to bed women. General life improvement and character change has led to better quality women on its own. Making women your only mission isn't a smart idea when there's a whole world of shit to do.

I do agree with this post. There's some softness going around. The sticky that was posted the other day by the mods is a good guide for the newbies. I'm also in agreement of some sort of difference between senior and junior members.

I'm not sure how to go about the separation, but it would be easier for the new members to see how we interact and an example for them to follow.

[–]RageLife 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Red pill can apply to way more than getting women into bed for sure. Anyone who can't see how it can apply to non-sexual relationships, for example family members, friends, coworkers/bosses, etc. is blind.

For example, some people get so riled up about what it means to act "alpha". Personally I think it's about handling your own shit, acting mature/responsible, not bending to other people's will and not letting yourself get walked over. At home, in the office, in a relationship, at the bar. Those concepts apply everywhere.

Rant over. I love the red pill. I don't agree with 100% of what I've read here but I still love you guys and I'm thankful for what I read/learn on here every day.

[–]someotherdudeagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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You could give a better link to Moldbug than that. It's always great to meet another fan.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I don't think the argument is that TRP isn't about bedding women.

It's about learning how women bed.

Wanna know game? Learn that shit somewhere else. Wanna learn what guys women actually go for, this is red pill.

You don't go over to r/askwomen to find out what qualities they like in a man because they will tell you their fantasy beta boy. Evidence and field reports show time and time again the kind of guy they would sleep after meeting the first night.

Red pill is the ugly truth. There's no sugar coating it.

[–]Dealbreaker-Jones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I read "bedding" as "beheading" and was confused for a second.

[–]DasWood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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No offense but I got 2 paragraphs into your link and could not understand any of it. It seemed like word salad to me.

EDIT: TIL wikibot subs to /r/TheRedPill

[–]autowikibot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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First paragraph from linked Wikipedia article about Word salad :


Word salad is a mixture of random words that, while arranged in phrases that appear to give them meaning, actually carry no significance. The words may or may not be grammatically correct, but the meaning is hopelessly confused. A famous example is Noam Chomsky's phrase, "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously." The term is used to describe poetry and other literary works (as in Chomsky's example), but is also often used to describe a symptom of mental disorders or textual randomization in computer programs.


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[–]kzwrp[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

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... as long as they're radical.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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Interesting link. But it contains a glaring logical flaw.

None of us are supporters of feudal monarchism; we're all the inheritors of the early Jacobins.

Extraordinary bullshit.

This is the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy... "The Jacobins opposed the monarchists. We are none of us monarchists. Therefore we inherited our political culture from the Jacobins."

Even if this were true, even if the American Revolution had not preceded the French, and the signing of the Magna Carta had not preceded both, and the Althing had not preceded all three, we would still be "descendants of the Jacobins" in the same way that humans are descendents of fish... taxinomically yes, but it does not meaningfully inform our swimming skills or habits.

Further, the fact that the revolution of 1789 managed to cough forth history's few examples of books bound in human leather (an offense which eclipses the monarchy's previous thousand years only in shock value, but not in human misery) is stunningly irrelevant both to the advisability of its values and the truth of its beliefs.

We toy here with the dark enlightenment that humans are not created equal, but we must also grasp that this inequality has not been captured or understood by any system yet created for attempting to measure merit. Some people are superior to others, but only the random hand of fate, and not any human system, managed or emergent, can test which is which.

In other words, those who look to the tyrannies of the past as for antidote to the tyrannies of the present will merely exchange Harrison Bergeran's chains for those of the medieval serf.

[–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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You don't think all modern democracy has its roots in the early Jacobins? I mean, the American Revolution and French Revolution have many parallels.

Have you read Radish?

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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You don't think all modern democracy has its roots in the early Jacobins?

No, I do not. The French revolution was inspired by the American revolution, not the reverse. And the American revolution was not a Jacobin phenomenon.

Instead, it has its roots in English common law. The English have always differed from other systems of monarchy in that, quite early on, they disposed of the notion of the absolute right of kings. This tradition is exemplified by the magna carta, but certainly does not begin with it.

While the magna carta did nothing whatsoever for the vast majority of Englishmen, protecting, as it in practice did, only the nobility, it established the legal and social precedent that subjects had rights which kings might be taken to task for violating, by someone other than an eternally absent and eternally silent god.

It is this precedent which was vital to how the American revolution was both conceived and sold. While this revolution was certainly less idealistic than you and I were taught in elementary school (it was largely an effort on the part of the wealthiest Americans to avoid being bankrupted by the crown), it nonetheless relied upon and strengthened the principle that one might depose, or sever oneself from, a leader who fails to advance one's interests along with his own.

So where did this tradition come from, if the magna carta was the expression of it and not the origin? I would say its true father is Ivar the Boneless, the son of Ragnar Loðbrók. In the establishment of the Danelagh, he brought many traditions of Scandinavian culture to the British isles, including such traditions as the Thing (from which, yes, the modern word "thing" is derived).

So much is made of William the Conqueror and the Norman conquest that most casual students of history forget, or never know, that there was no pre-existing unified Saxon "England" for William to conquer. Such a thing is entirely fiction from the pages of Sir Walter Scott's "Ivanhoe", not history. In reality, the island was divided into a set of small kingdoms ruled alternatively by Saxons or Norsemen, with a population consisting of both.

Modern democracy is neither the brainchild of the come-lately Jacobins, nor the Greeks (who love to take credit for everything), but was invented and brought to England by Vikings.

(I shall answer your second question in a separate response, as the answer will be lengthy.)

[–]lost_2_apathy 135 points136 points  (39 children)

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I fear the quality of this subreddit will decrease with the rising popularity.

[–]fihsined 51 points52 points  (12 children)

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doesn't that happen to everything?

[–]lordofthejelly 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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I beat this drum every so often, but here I go again: go over and check out /r/AskHistorians. They're at 229,000 and have had little or no drop in quality thanks to the nearly religious application of the rules that the mods do over there.

I fear the quality of this subreddit will decrease with the rising popularity.

I subbed this past March, and people were afraid of that then, too. RPS and SH have done a masterful job thus far.

[–]6TLaRm4g 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Agree, bad moderation is what makes the quality go down (or what does not stop it from decreasing), not only growth in popularity.

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    [–]kzwrp[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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    /r/Anarcho_Capitalism all the way, you simply can't be half-anarchist.

    [–]Selesnyan 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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    Fuck yeah! I'm already saving up for my own pirate ship.

    [–]Dai_Einon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    Saving? Fuck that. Take out a loan and start pillaging.

    [–]kzwrp[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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    Silly, the only true way of acquiring a pirate ship is to steal it.

    [–]_whistler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    *commandeer

    [–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    And /r/seduction

    And /r/mensrights before that

    [–]Gfresh404 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    Same with /r/NoFap - that place went to shit quickly

    [–]ElPorteno 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    Yeah, it's a real circlejerk now! ....Ok, I'll show myself to the door

    [–]Spore2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    So downvote everything.

    [–]IBagGroceriesAMA 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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    If the moderating continues as it is now, this shouldn't happen. The mods have done a dam good job so far.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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    Thanks

    [–]IBagGroceriesAMA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Right back at cha.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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    a dam good job

    Man the floodgates.

    [–]IBagGroceriesAMA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    There's an n, isn't there?

    [–]kzwrp[S] 37 points38 points  (3 children)

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    That fear has been around ever since I started reading in May/June '13.

    It's not justified and we'd do better to call out feel good bullshit and report/downvote it than lament about it. Hence this reminder.

    [–]Pomskey -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    That fear has been around since when we hit 1k, 2k, 5k, 10k.. etc. And Yes, I've noticed that the redpill is being watered down slightly. But it is more or less the same.

    [–]demi--god 15 points16 points  (6 children)

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    I'm going to build my own theredpill, with blackjack and hookers.

    [–]SystemicSubversion 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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    You mean blackjack and harems, right?

    [–]demi--god -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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    Hahaha - Touche!

    [–]freefire137 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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    I have definitely heard this before, but I forgot where. Please enlighten me.

    [–]Nutomic -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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    It's from Futurama.

    [–]freefire137 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Ah, yes. Thanks.

    [–]RPTAW 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    I'm sure it will, and it's a damn shame.

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      [–]autowikibot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      First paragraph from linked Wikipedia article:


      Eternal September (also September that never ended) is a Usenet slang expression, coined by Dave Fischer, for the period beginning September 1993. The expression encapsulates the belief that an endless influx of new users (newbies) since that date has continuously degraded standards of discourse and behavior on Usenet and the wider Internet, to the point that one news provider has adopted the name Eternal September.


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      [–]Ice-Z -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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      I almost posted the exact same thing before seeing that you beat me to it. RIP Usenet

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      mental masturbation posts are creeping up more and more. feels like soon enough this will be just a clone of /r/seduction.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      This place went downhill after the sub hit 10k. I seriously had to unsub from this place because most of what is posted is just speculative garbage and wanna-be bro/alpha types just throwing the lingo around.

      [–]the_marius2 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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      I've been glazing over posts on the sub for a while now, and this kinda threw me off a bit.

      I was under the impression that this was about teaching men to be alpha and not let women or anyone run their lives. "Waking up" meant to realize your true potential, to be a confidence son of a bitch, take what belongs to you, seize the day, and learn to dominate and lead.

      I never saw sex as the ultimate goal here, cuz hookers are cheap and fat bitches are easy. Nah, I thought this was about living your life with no regrets, gaining the respect of those around you, and living your life with purpose and not settling for anything less than you deserve. And when you do that, you get laid, because bitches love that shit. But you don't just get laid, you get hired, you don't just get hired, you become successful, you're content and people look up to you, people will remember you.

      For me, that's what waking up has been. Fuck being radical, radicals have tunnel vision and can't see beyond the scope of their often limited point of view and miss out on opportunities and fail to see possible consequences from their limited perspective. I'm going to be successful and happy. No girlfriend I've ever had has walked away from a relationship, except for one, my first, and that's when I woke up, and she's begging me to come back to her ever since I woke up. I got a girlfriend now who respects me and I respect back, fucks me like a diabetic needs insulin, and does what she can to make me happy.

      I think people are going to be misled by this idea of having to be radical, its like a cry for attention. Moreover, they're going to be misled by this idea of sex being the ultimate goal, its not about that, and I promise it will only lead to a miserable life, I've seen it. Its about not letting women or anyone take control of your life. Its not about needing sex its about not needing women.

      You are your own master.

      I have no idea how this will be received here. But I hope not all of you are ignorant fools like this one.

      [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      See, I didn't say sex is the ultimate goal. My last paragraph was about people trying to frame TheRedPill in a way that discounts sex and/or makes it seem like it's not even part of TRP and people should better head to the r/seduction folks.

      I agree on every counts with you when it comes to waking up. We disagree on the radical parts, and here's why:

      Many of the concepts discussed in this subreddit are not something you can expect to find in mainstream academics or plain media publications (ha, imagine a cosmo article on The Red Pill, hilarious!). So why is that?

      Because we present a different world view which must be radical in certain ways. Otherwise, It'd be just the canned same old mainstream bullshit rebranded in a new fashion and labeled with a cute matrix meme.

      I don't think that's what The Red Pill is about, though. Hence, radicalism.

      [Side note: Back when most countries were absolute monarchies, democrats / republicans were both considered radical. The notion that radical == bad is a late 20th/21st century one developed under the constand bluepill strive for moderation and maintenance of status quo.]

      Edit: make the side note italics, not bold.

      [–]the_marius2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      I understand that the idea of TRP is radical but you shouldn't try to be radical for the sake of being radical, to me it seems to be crying for attention. On the other hand, we should not be afraid to be radical.

      [–]kzwrp[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Exactly.

      [–]the_marius2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      I like this sub haha

      [–]6Invalidity 27 points28 points  (0 children)

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      We need to polarize TRP's subscribers. They are presented with facts that should enlighten them to the workings of the world, and that should either open them up to accepting the ideas or drive them away.

      Doing so allows us to submit better content and generate better discussion. Also, it gives TRP's opponents to go on ballistic rants which further support our purpose.

      [–]ArtilleryCamel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      We like novel radical ideas.

      Feminism is radical because they are departing from tradition. They are trying to change the very nature of mankind. Some radical feminists even believe that PIV is not our nature. The Red Pill is here to wake those who chose to be woken from society's bullshit and show them what our nature (of human sexuality) really is. The posts here should seem extreme to some, mostly those who are earlier on in their red pill journey, such as yourself. But not radical.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 101 points102 points  (24 children)

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      I made a wonderful post in support of fucking other men's wives, and as predicted there were alot of butthurt psudo redpillers about.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorscottishredpill 49 points50 points  (3 children)

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      I'm all for banging married women, you had my upvote!

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        [–]tropicalpolevaulting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Disgruntled women in long term relationships are way easier than single women.

        Find the weaklings and pick them off.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorscottishredpill 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        I find them easier, here is FR from one http://scottishredpill.co.uk/asshole-nice-guy-in-disguise/

        [–]complete_asshole_ 24 points25 points  (7 children)

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        If she was worth anything then she wouldn't cheat on her husband. Participating in her infidelity is just enlightening the husband to the untrustworthy slut he married.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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        Assuming the husband eventually finds out, yes. But if he raises someone's bastard thinking it's his child, there has been real harm done. I read about a woman who set out to do this, rarely had sex with her beta provider, cheated on him constantly, and rationalized the child she was carrying because he was too weak to seed her anyway.

        [–]kzwrp[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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        Yes, clearly you're messing with someone else's inability to gamble properly. Come on, why would I want to bet 50% of my shit on not leaving a broad ?

        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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        The women made themselves available. It's totally their prerogative on whether or not they get some strange. Why would it be my problem? I'm just getting my dick wet.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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        Why would it be my problem?

        Do you normally like to be shot in the face?

        [–]sniperhiding 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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        If you/I don't, somebody else will.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        Hell, someone else is.

        [–]nerdrhyme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        It's not blue pill to disagree with you.

        [–]NuttyLord -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        Your username makes me question your motives slightly.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 22 points23 points  (14 children)

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        Why subscribe if you disagree with what's said here hmm? I don't subscribe to things that I don't like/agree with.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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        I must say this places hate for PC values is what keeps drawing me back, I swear its one of the few bastion on the internet where someone can make a joke without someone else crying about it.

        [–]widec -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        That's false, they'll just cry about the joke on another subreddit, perhaps even one designed to mock this one.

        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

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        I've made a few asinine comments that would fall under the definition of "Straw Red Pill". I took my downvotes as a message that I'm still not where I need to be. My opinions are still widely dispersed and I carefully select my language when posting. It doesn't stop me from being wrong... a lot. In fact, when I discuss Red Pill Theory in real life with anyone, I still find myself avoiding their prejudgment of the issue by prefacing the discussion with "I don't hate women, I'm no misogynist, but...".

        I've found my attitude to be ridiculous and a form of procrastination. I'm still holding onto the hope that all of you fuckers are wrong and my Sleeping Beauty is out there waiting for me to be her Prince Charming. Fuck that, fuck this, and fuck you all for being the truth. It really sucks. Reality bites. I'd love to have the veil pulled back over my eyes, but it's too late and I'll make no more progress until I fully accept the situation and swallow the pill. No chaser.

        [–]kzwrp[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        Rational Male on the Five Stages of Unplugging - looks like you're between Anger and Bargaining ;-)

        Of course, borrowing the Matrix analogy, you can always go Cypher and get Agent Smith to re-hook you into the matrix. Accept that it'll never be the same, and accept the consequences of doing it.

        One last note on downvotes: They don't mean that your comment is or isn't red pill. Whenever I make a comment how MGTOWs are pussies and incels that label their incelness and betatude as going their own way, I manage to snatch at least 20 downvotes. Also, with all the brigading going on, better forget about them completely. This is where comments from older redpillers come in helpful. :-)

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        I find it hard to label how I feel about the overall situation based on a 1-5 numbered scale. Sometimes I'm angry, sometimes I'm depressed. Never will I bargain with BP ridiculousness. Most of the time I'm simply accepting of the situation and I work to move forward in life. The difficulty I have with the process is minimal at best.

        I'll most likely always have hope for a different worldview. On that vein, I'm only 22, my views are still maturing or are downright wrong. I accept this reality as easily as I accept TRP.

        Also, I was never in denial of the situation; I knew something was wrong and I blamed myself. One of my characteristics (something a lot of RP'ers have in common) is that when I want to change something about myself I fucking change it. The RP concept, however, is more difficult. Again, I'm 22, so that means I've had 22 years of Blue Pills shoved down my throat. It'll take time to sort out and organize my quirks and nuances in order to formulate a plan of action and knock the metaphorical dominoes down to eventually become the successful male individual we all have the potential to be.

        Change of character takes immense effort and time. The only constant I allow in my personality is that fact. I'll make it, though. I have to! I have shit that needs doing before I die.

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        Take into account that it's not a scale, it's (mostly irreversible) stages. Unlikely that once you've proceeded to the "Acceptance" stage you'll revert to the "Denial" one ;-)

        I'll make it, though. I have to! I have shit that needs doing before I die.

        If you don't, chances are no one else is gonna, so you'd better do it. Cheers!

        [–]dub121686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        People mock me when I discuss "red pill stuff" I decided not to waste my time with people who think "you hate women" etc. further dialogue with friends is constrained to things we had in common before I discovered everything that lies within the walls of this sub

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          I'll talk about whatever I want to talk about. Who cares what people think?

          I mentioned that in my comment because, even though I'm open about what I believe in and value, I still dodge judgement. This shows that I still care what people think, something I desperately need to work on.

          I mean come on, what would people think?!? /s

          [–]TooTurnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          Welcome to reality buddy. You can whine to women about how misguided they are, I'll keep reassuring them how "right" they are. You tell me what's more successful. Out of the two of us, who do you think is looking for acceptanance more?

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          In no way would I discuss RP Theory with any woman I'm going to fuck. I do, however, discuss TRP with my male compadres who are either RP-knowledgeable or stuck in the BP mentality. If I came off as if I pined away at women with these topics then I made a mistake.

          [–]LowgEbear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          There's no reason not to discuss this stuff in public

          [–]kzwrp[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          We call it having character and standing up for one's values.

          [–]toysjoe 13 points14 points  (6 children)

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          On that note: Whoever says bedding women is not part of The Red Pill: You are too stupid to read the sidebar that clearly says "discussion of sexual strategy".

          Sounds just like pussybegging to me. If you want to bed women, fine, but why you gotta hate on MGTOWs?

          I think TRP is about exposing the true nature of social interactions, specifically with women. What one does with it, is up to the individual. You don't get to say, my way is the right way, everybody else is wrong.

          If one guy takes the red pill and says "Man fuck it", that doesn't make him any less red pill than a guy who uses it to get laid.

          [–]kzwrp[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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          You don't get to say, my way is the right way, everybody else is wrong.

          But of course I do.

          If we accept as true that TheRedPill is about the sexual strategy between genders, and if we accept as true that bedding women is a (welcome) consequence of said strategy, it necessarily follows that you accept "bedding women" as part of TheRedPill.

          Hence everyone claiming it's not is wrong. qed bitches

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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          The knowledge that you can use to bed women is Red Pill.

          Whether one uses said knowledge to bed women is up to that individual.

          [–]kzwrp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Exactly.

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            [–]toysjoe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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            I think there are more than one way a man can improve himself.

            Bedding women is one of them, but it's not the only way. I think a man can improve himself by reading more, learning an instrument, travelling, playing a sport, weightlifting, etc.

            What is this reality you speak of? That a man's only worth is how many women he beds? If so I must respectfully disagree.

            If you look at all the sidebar material, none of them say specifically you have to go out and bed women, otherwise you're not red pill. They give you a situational report on dealings with women.

            Like in war, a situational report is a statement of what is going on. How events proceed depends on the personal interpretation of individual military generals. One general may choose a full frontal assault, another may choose a flanking manoeuvre, another may choose diplomacy.

            I get how women work, and what I do with that is up to me. If you want to chase pussy, fine, but don't tell me that it's wrong not to.

            [–]TankVet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            I seriously think that The Red Pill is actually a moderate viewpoint with exceptionally strong convictions. We reject the bullshit of each extreme.

            Just because we're not feminist cheerleaders doesn't mean we are misogynistic rapists. We are moderates rather than extremists, and we are better for it.

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              [–]fox22432 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Agreed.

              It's posts like this that make this sub appear unpleasant.. which it is. OP seems to fight a war with some "opponents" and "enemies". Why? Who cares? Personally, I'm too busy figuring out my own life.

              It seems like there are 2 sides to this sub. One is pure TRP theory: just information, examples and analysis. Another is a discussion (or rather a "war" with) about feminism, SRS, TBP sub and some USA related news/politics. I don't mind this sides being in one sub: flares are very useful. Furthermore, tbh i don't even visit the sub so often anymore, for me it was like a gateway to the TRP style of thinking and the manospere. Now it's mostly a few selected blogs and books. And those books and blogs do not appear radical or offensive or outrageous, and yet they're as TRP as it gets. So why this sub should?

              Shit, if I had seen this thread when I first subscribed, I'd be a bit confused and off put. I wouldn't quit, sure but someone might. And what good would that do?

              [–]kzwrp[S] -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

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              The only Straw Red Pill I see here is the one you are trying to build. You are fool, your thinking is sloppy, and you have no place deciding what should or shouldn't be posted on this forum.

              I can't state it often enough, learn to fucking Read. I did not say what the Red Pill is. I pointed out what it is not, and why labeling "Straw Red Pill" as "Red Pill" is to be considered harmful.

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                Are you sure you've read the post?

                What I said was the following:

                On that note: Whoever says bedding women is not part of The Red Pill: You are too stupid to read the sidebar that clearly says "discussion of sexual strategy".

                I've mentioned it elsewhere. Having sex with women is a subset of sexual strategy, so yes, it is on topic whether you like it or not.

                Second: Moderating your language when dealing with radical, innovative ideas is bad. Radical ideas are always extreme, so obviously you cannot communicate them in a soft way and any attempt to do so will fail.

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                  [–]kzwrp[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                  You and me posit different audiences. Yours is a mainstream one that needs convincing. Mine is /r/TheRedPill - where the reasonable and appealing tone can be thrown overboard in favor of saying bluntly what is and what isn't.

                  I don't have to persuade people. I want to make a point, and in doing so I choose the tools I deem best to get it across.

                  Which is why I favor blunt (pure, as you call it) language over persuasive, washed-down "feel-good" blabla. You might attract the larger audience, and that's all good for you. I prefer doing things my way, large audience or not.

                  [–]TehGinjaNinja 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                  Just take a moment to revel in the cognitive dissonance of what you just wrote:

                  I don't have to persuade people. I want to make a point ...

                  The only good reason to make a point, is to persuade others. If you aren't trying to persuade others, then the only person you're making a point to is yourself and those who already think like you.

                  In other words, you're just interested in preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter what point you have to make, since you're only talking to people who already agree with you.

                  That means you're not coming here looking to gain or share knowledge. You're just looking for validation. TRP is as solipsistic an exercise for you, as posting on SRS would be for a feminist.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  In other words, you're just interested in preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter what point you have to make, since you're only talking to people who already agree with you. That means you're not coming here looking to gain or share knowledge.

                  Non sequitur. The way I'm phrasing things has nothing to do with ideas being new and innovative, or old, stale and recycled material of what we already know.

                  [–]the_marius2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  I agree

                  [–]wonderfulish 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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                  I don't give a shit about the sidebar. Sexual strategy is but one aspect of a fulfilling life for men. The individual decides whether it is a dominant aspect or a minor one. To those who argue that that is what TRP was originally about, or bemoan changes, grow the fuck up. Every social movement evolves and grows. This is the real world. TRP will never look like it once was. This is both good and bad, but nevertheless, this is how the world works. Complaints about straw men and an influx of differing views is like complaining about the weather. If you don't like it, go live in a cave. Good ideas need to see the light of day to see if they can stand the test of time. Don't fear change or challenges to your notions of TRP. Embrace them. This is where the rubber meets the road. If TRP is an advantageous perspective, it will change and flourish. If TRP is some shallow way to shore up a fragile masculine ego, it will wither away in some lonely corner of the internet.

                  [–]TehGinjaNinja 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                  The sidebar is a resource, not a doctrine. The sperg-lord who posted this call for a political purge clearly doesn't understand that. It's a sign of his own inability to think for himself.

                  [–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  TIL the word sperg-lord.

                  I like that word. :)

                  [–]Darth_Pete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  This I concur.

                  [–]complete_asshole_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                  I would argue that fucking women is only part of the redpill, the rest of it is about becoming the man that doesn't need women to feel whole and fulfilled. If you focus on elevating yourself, enjoying life and enlightenment then you will draw women to you like a lodestone to a magnet.

                  Make yourself into the trendy exclusive "members only" nightclub with velvet ropes and bouncers and you'll have women lined up around the block.

                  [–]Torus_Toroidal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  Is some meta level of trolling? Making a post decrying new members corrupting the essence of the Pill and then pretending that that essence is some PUA bullshit. It's PUAs like you who are the real danger to the integrity of this sub, because you see the 'bedding' and the 'negs' and think Red Pill is just some extension of pick up.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Only 'cause my last sentence is about bedding women doesn't make me a PUA nor the post about how The Red Pill is 100% congruent with Pickup.

                  It's about calling out Politically correct bullshit, and bout the fact that any attempt to moderate the language in here is not only doomed but harmful.

                  As said elsewhere, I'm not commenting on what is red pill. I'm stating what isn't.

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                  I came across this sub a little bit ago. While I like reading it and agree with a lot of what's posted, I don't think I'm a red-piller because I'm in a committed relationship and only fuck one woman.

                  But I'm going to stay subscribed and I will posts comments from time to time. If that's ok with you... just kidding, I don't give a fuck if you're ok with it.

                  [–]xiko 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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                  What is the problem on being in a ltr? Plenty of principles apply.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                  If OP is right when he says part of TRP is fucking women, then TRP and maintaining a ltr are mutually exclusive. Either you're in an open relationship and are therefore a beta letting other dudes screw your girl, or you're having to sneak around. I only have sex with one woman, so I'm not a TRPer. I don't care, it's just a label, and labels don't define me.

                  [–]vaker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                  If OP is right when he says part of TRP is fucking women, then TRP and maintaining a ltr are mutually exclusive.

                  OP's statement regarding this is misguided. See how many posts disagree with him on this exact issue.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  If OP is right when he says part of TRP is fucking women, then TRP and maintaining a ltr are mutually exclusive.

                  Does not follow. In that case, you're bedding one woman repeatedly. Enough people here will claim that's actually harder.

                  OP's statement regarding this is misguided. See how many posts disagree with him on this exact issue.

                  Yes, they sure all try to disagree. 95% can't read and yap about stuff I haven't said.

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                  I emphasized the "e" because you explicitly said women.

                  Just getting this out there: I don't want to fuck someone else's wife (like the dude from the top comment), or secure a harem of sluts. It's a lot of risk with no tangible reward other than getting to bang some different broad. I would get a net-loss return on that investment even if I never got caught.

                  [–]xiko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  You are labeling trp only by this post. That is misguided as well. Inside trp there are plenty of different things including ltr discussion.

                  [–]vaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I don't think I'm a red-piller because I'm in a committed relationship and only fuck one woman.

                  There are quite a few of us that are currently in LTRs. As long as you deal with reality, and understand what RP is pointing out, you're RP and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

                  [–]AEther_Flux 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  I just found /theredpill on my own recently, i love to read and agree with many things stated here. I am still absorbed into the culture that was forced down my throat, but im coming around now. So keep up the good work men. Others like me need you to help us wake the hell up.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Cheers bro. You should be pretty busy reading your way through the Sidebar.

                  Then there's Robert Glover's No More Mr Nice Guy and Ester Vilar's The Manipulated Man. And you'll obviously want to read TheRationalMale.com's Year One. Not to forget a few books on Body Language, and of course Richard Feynman's Surely You're Joking.

                  Make your life simple, head over to /r/redpillbooks :-P

                  [–]Endorsed Contributorpontifx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Keep reporting shitposts and they will keep getting dealt with. I almost do nothing but report shitposters and lurk when I come here. If we have enough people doing this, the moderator team can deal with the next wave.

                  I think the next wave is going to be the worst because there will be edges of TRP that will be "too something (extreme, controversial, whatever)".

                  The niggles and knitpicks must be dealt with swiftly.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  No worries, I do that all the time.

                  Still fun to remind everyone that being extreme and controversial is a must at the societal frontier we're opening.

                  [–]POOR_IMPULSE_CONTR0L 3 points4 points  (6 children)

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                  You do realize that silencing the less extreme members of a movement is the first step towards fascism right?

                  [–]-RobotDeathSquad- 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                  Need to fight fascism with fascism. Feminazis are well beyond that point. We dont fucking "play fair" here.

                  [–]Bo_dacious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  We aren't here to fight the feminists, we're here to discuss the truth in the most empirical, unbiased way possible. We live in an extreme world so obviously TRP has some extreme views but don't sink down to the level of thinking we're competing directly with feminists, TRP is more than that

                  [–]POOR_IMPULSE_CONTR0L -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                  I'm pretty sure those were Stalin's exact words.

                  [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  Whatever his faults, Stalin was good at what he did.

                  [–]POOR_IMPULSE_CONTR0L 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  You mean he was good at killing tens of millions of his own countrymen and bankrupting the fuck out of his country?

                  [–]kzwrp[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                  Kiddo, here's your Godwin point.

                  [–]BloodMoney1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Your beautiful just the way you are redpill don't ever change that . It may hurt there feelings , but people need to be called out for there bullshit. There are a million ways to do it but people need to hear it.

                  [–]torn_paper_heart 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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                  I get this, and I know I need to be aware since I like to give all people the benefit of the doubt, but there are also a lot of posts here that are just hating on women. TRP isn't about hating women. I LOVE women. TRP is about how women work, and using that to your advantage.

                  I love a good hamster example as much as the next guy, but here and there I see a post showing some article where a woman has a normal reaction that any human would have, and the OP goes off on what a foul cunt she is.

                  I don't come here to hate women for being different, or to be convinced that every female is the devil. I come here to get tips on how to live my life to the maximum as a male. There is a glaring difference between being in a RP relationship and just being an abusive boyfriend or husband.

                  [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                  Once you've gone through the five stages of unplugging, you may safely ignore the Blue Pill Examples.

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                    I love a good hamster example as much as the next guy, but here and there I see a post showing some article where a woman has a normal reaction that any human would have, and the OP goes off on what a foul cunt she is.

                    All those posts are Blue Pill Examples.

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                        [–]kzwrp[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                        I'm staying true to my own values, promoting extremism left right and center. Compromise is for pussies.

                        [–]TookThePillThatsRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        He said anything about compromising? Just don't overreact either. Stay the course and ignore them.

                        [–]SarionFetecuse1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        A fucking men.

                        [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Yeah, this is a post we deserve. Not only are straw red pills bad for the sub, these sort of "purple pills" are even worse. I think it was Ayn Rand who said something like "One thing is right, another thing is wrong, and a compromise of the two is evil." Conflating or softening TRP ideas with mainstream bullshit is not only ineffective, it gives people who haven't accepted the red pill the belief that they have indeed swallowed.

                        TRP is a broad field now. We have RP philosophy. We've got discussion on game. We've got relationship / Athol Kay type stuff. We've got a little MRA in us, a lot of our posts appear there too. We've got career advice, discussion on modern entertainment. We've got posts about networking and gaining respect from high status men and even some "male friend game". We've got old dudes and young squirts. We've got fitness, bodybuilding / strongman advice, and we've got books being reviewed up in here.

                        TRP is not about one thing anymore. It never was - if the "red pill" means accepting reality's objective rules, then our sub becomes a discussion of reality. Which means that it's time we acknowledge posts like "TRP is just about sex" as strawmen. TRP is about sex, and it's not just about sex.

                        Sexual strategy is not just "how to bed women". If you want to truly master your own sexual potential and have the best strategy, you have to actively engage with and understand the intricate reality around you. Not only that, you have to understand the fantasies that other people live in to some degree. Any moron can go fuck. We can all fuck. To make a marked improvement in the quality and quantity of women you pull, as well as your ability to keep them acting feminine (grow their unicorns)... then you need to learn about how reality works in nearly every facet.

                        [–]IIHotelYorba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Be careful what you call softening and don't forget that not all novel radical ideas are created equal. The good ones don't tend to come from keyboard warriors mentally masturbating over what has the most "pure" redpilley flavor. Remember we're trying to get things done here, y'know, like actually fuck women, not just keep up appearances.

                        I'm not afraid to tell the truth simply because superficially it has overlap with this or that blue pill idea.

                        Otherwise you become tumblr. They're very staunch, and ideologically pure ...and most importantly divorced from reality. Which is supposed to be the polar opposite of TRP, admitting shit that happens every day in real life that most people are afraid to even think about.

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                        The Red Pill is conscious-awareness and understanding of real life interactions and experiences of human behavior.

                        Old news with a new spin. Graduate to the KJV Bible; God's Word.

                        ~ Red Pill Alumni

                        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                        Perhaps we should limit posts to those of us who have contributed before the rise in popularity. Its the only way to ensure this subreddit doesn't go to shit.

                        If you think that's extreme, I mean, we're talking about not allowing soft-boiled shit on this subreddit. Doing what I've suggested is only natural.

                        I rule with an iron fist enveloped in a velvet glove. This way is hard but that is for the best.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                        Redditor since:2013-11-11 (1 month and 26 days)

                        Perhaps we should limit posts to those of us who have contributed before the rise in popularity. Its the only way to ensure this subreddit doesn't go to shit.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Hey, I've been here since before we got free marketing. And I've creeped around for longer than that.

                        [–]jobs33ker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        This is what I've been trying to say for a while now. Over the last month a message has become diluted. Exact reasons stated By you in the original post Are the exact reasons for that. The red pill is to be accepted or rejected in its purest form. No more no less.

                        [–]AgentSmith27 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

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                        Is this a subreddit or a cult? Don't tell me what to think or post.

                        Reddit is a place to exchange dialogue, so cut the gestapo bullshit. People are going to have a range of ideas and opinions, and personally I'd like to hear all of them... even the ones I disagree with.

                        Deal with it.

                        [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                        You must be new here.

                        Feel free to have a constructive dialogue, but when you do it in /r/TheRedPill, it's on our terms. That includes a fierce dislike for feel-good bullshit, the above mentioned Straw Red Pill and any attempt to control our language.

                        If you can't accept that, GTFO and play with barbies.

                        [–]Bo_dacious 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                        We live in an extreme world so those who seek the truth will invariably have an extreme worldview. Most people can't swallow such an extreme worldview at a moments notice but that's no reason to tell them to fuck off. If someone writes a post that mixes some comfortable falses in with the uncomfortable truths, show them where they went wrong and take a fucking chill pill

                        [–]kzwrp[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        All fine with me. However I'm having problems whenever someone tries to explain to me that it'd be worthwile to convey my ideas in a more moderate fashion so as to reach a bigger audience / adhere to political correctness / you name it. It's dangerous, bullshit and I'll not gonna curb in.

                        [–]Bo_dacious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Well put, fuck political correctness

                        [–]AgentSmith27 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                        No, I can stay... and I'll say what I want, whether you like it or NOT...

                        Now I actually agree with a lot in TRP, but fuck you if you think you can tell me what to say and think.

                        You are not an authority. You are some schmuck on a message board trying to tell me what to do. You can't do shit to stop me either...

                        [–]fihsined -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                        maybe we can start flairing people who are actual TRPers and not plebs from other subs trying to fit in yet moderate us..

                        [–]MockingDead 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                        By what standard? I like the idea, but here I am mostly a MGTOW who views reality as it is - the red pill view. I sometimes disagree with some of the discussions.

                        A great example is the post about Porn, Video games, and Watching Sports being bad. While I certainly contend any action performed to the exclusion of others ca be detrimental - especially an escapism, a man's time is his own, and calling him out as unmanly smacks of elitism and egoism - hallmarks of a beta.

                        So would I be labelled as a MGTOW trying to moderate? Would /u/Demonspawn who sees The red Pill abotu seeing reality as it is and acting upon it?

                        [–]kzwrp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                        We do that, it's the "Endorsed Contributer" flair.

                        Obviously not everyone gets the flair, myself included ;)

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                          [–]kzwrp[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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                          I'm quoting a very minor part of the post, take it out of context, and use it as an example of the post not having content

                          Good Job.

                          Now go back to /r/SubRedditDrama.