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[–]1deptii 200 points201 points  (50 children)

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Upvote for sidebar worthiness. I loved this paragraph:

It always amazes me how betas will agree with a woman that her past education reveals her dedication to scholarly pursuits, her past work experience reveals her quest to improve her business acumen, her past payment history reveals her credit worthiness, her past workout routine reveals her desire for a healthy lifestyle, and her past volunteer efforts reveal her heart of gold, but her past sexual habits reveal absolutely nothing. That, my beta friend, is The Art of Whore.

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    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 29 points30 points  (13 children)

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    Put it this way, if she's a virgin, that's a big plus. But it won't matter much if she's an insane virgin or a completely irresponsible one, or is virginally prone to violence with men...

    Feminists (willfully) misunderstand men's reasonable selection criteria priorities. The basic fem message is that you deserve low quality women to raise children with, because every woman deserves a high quality man, no matter what her objective qualities are.

    If you think about this premise on a larger scale, it starts looking an awful lot like deliberate family unit sabotage. If men do not discriminate, then most families are going to be dysfunctional horror shows, and those men's lines will be dying out. So be extra careful with anyone trying to shame you with "discrimination is bad, mmmkay?"

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      [–]MSprof2552 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      If you truly wanna explore that idea more, read Oswlad Spengler's "Decline of the West." While reading it, Richard Nixon essentially shut down his office for a week after being gifted it.

      [–]ekjohnson9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Once women get the vote. Governments coddle and restrict the population. Sad but true.

      [–]charlie_bodango 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      I like the way you brain. I'll accept that theory.

      [–]The_Turbinator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Look what happened to Ancient Egypt.

      As a matter of face Rome too. In the beginning women knew their place, in the last century of Rome tho, women wanted power, read up on Agrippina the Younger. Then guess what happened to Rome - where is Rome now? In your history books, that's where.

      [–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I understand now why Aristotle, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and every other famous scholar said that it would be disastrous to educate women. Their minds aren't made for education and work, as men are.

      [–]through_a_ways -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

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      But it won't matter much if she's an insane virgin or a completely irresponsible one, or is virginally prone to violence with men...

      Perhaps women who sleep around less are less likely to be insane and irresponsible in the first place?

      [–]justmythr0waway -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

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      I Dont believe that a woman's number of sexual conquests can be an indicator of whether or not she's nuts. I also Dont believe that logic applies to men. Your/their actions as a whole are the indicators of whether or not said person is off their rocker or not.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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      still plugged in.

      [–]justmythr0waway -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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      That may very well be. But its certainly not because I think a virgin can be crazier than the biggest slut.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      You will get much backlash even here for talking about virginity as important but it is.

      Firstly I was raised to expects as much and with my ego I demand no less, that is just me personally but I have some more objective viewpoints to share.

      http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/focus-findings/marriage/premarital-sex-and-divorce.aspx

      I don't particular like focus on the family because they make this a political issue when it should be a social and cultural issue; these control freaks are too heavy handed to realize they are scaring people away. Anyway the link contains references to multiple studies on marriage relating to the topic of virginity and sexual experience; you can Google the bold text to find more information on the studies.

      If it's to much to read The basic feel of the situation is that more sex outside of marriage increases the chances of a failed marriage, pre-marital, cheating in between marriages any sex that isn't man and wife seems to drive man and wife apart.

      Otherwise there is no downside to virgins unless you're a huge asshole and can't stand people practicing religion. Some others have said dead bed is a problem but only if you let that happen and become the norm does it become a problem. Once you've been hitched throw her around a bit, get her to try bending and get her into yoga. As for more kinky play I have my own kinks but I think many of them are too taboo for religious girls and would need to be slowly conditioned. Then there's the question of the need for sexual dominance, an obvious example would be pegging, literally reversing the pitching and receiving roles; "how does this effect the balance of the relationship?" is a good question and I would recommend red pillers that might like a bit of assplay avoid that with their plates and LTRs (if they want to keep them) until more research has been done involving Bedroom dominance and marital disillusionment.

      TL;DR

      [–]The-Pussy-Whisperer 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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      I recently found out my wife was a virgin when we wed (some 18 years afterwards). So...Yeah. Here's what happens with virgins who you don't know are virgins because you are beta and don't get that information because you think it's not proper to ask for it:

      /r/deadbedrooms (her and I)

      /r/TheRedPill /r/bigdickproblems /r/adultery (me).

      Sexual history is 100% important to know.

      [–]JJTheJetPlane5657 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      Would you have prefered someone with at least some sexual history? Like >5 partners?

      [–]The-Pussy-Whisperer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Yes, without a doubt.

      [–]Cypher211 2 points3 points  (26 children)

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      Kind of depends on the person I'd say. A lot of people I've seen on this sub say they'd be happy with a low partner count which is maybe 3 to 4 guys at most. For me personally if I was looking to marry or get into a LTR with someone they'd have to be a virgin or at a stretch maybe a partner count of 1 at the most

      [–]rddtgold 26 points27 points  (15 children)

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      It's 2014 bro, you aren't going to find a chick with less than 10 partners unless you're looking at the 18-21 range. Even then they're between 5-10

      [–]santaincarnate 18 points19 points  (5 children)

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      unless you're looking at the 18-21 range

      I fail to see the problem here?

      [–]bitchdantkillmyvibe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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      Exactly. Once you stop giving a fuck about the social stigma, that's really just the logical way to go these days.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      The social stigma exists solely due to women that want to maintain the appearance of high SMV while riding the cock carousel straight into the wall.

      [–]FrontTooth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Ha. In my country 15 is the legal limit.

      [–]Veqq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Which?

      [–]Cypher211 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      I kinda agree with you but I come from a different cultural background to most people on this sub (I'm assuming) so there's a chance I could find someone ideal back home so to speak or even someone from where I am now who has the same principles as me. The girls are out there you just need to know where to look

      [–]ControlBlue 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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      Church

      Nothing to do with edginess but man there is a reason she goes to church. Either she has a lot to repress (sleeper whore), or is just following daddy's orders and can't think for herself (bland but good marriage material) or she is a fanatic (good luck arguing with her and god have mercy on your soul the day she catches you doing something she doesn't like).

      Those are all non-God related reasons why you should be wary. Of course it doesn't mean you can't a gem there.

      [–]Cypher211 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Yeah I do agree with you, I'm not a Christian but you're right in assuming I'm religious and yeah I'll be looking for a girl from a religious background if I ever decide I want a serious relationship. You raise good points though and they're things I'll definitely be looking out for.

      [–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      If you can find someone who has been continuously guarded and kept in check, then go ahead. Otherwise, develop a mind and eye to spot the trashy, clumsy girls from the cunning deceivers, and hopefully you'll eventually spot the rare, pure one.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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      It's not popular with most redpillers because there are a bunch of edgy dark triad asspies here but you could go to church or temple and meet a nice religious girl that takes her virginity seriously, there are also a few roaming in the wild even in college, free range virgins so to speak.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      I met one back when I was 19. I was in awe even back then.. I knew the rarity of virginity in the modern culture, and I was still BP then.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I went to a private High school and there were plenty, a buddy of mine took a 21 year old's virginity just last year and they're still dating, when I was going to the local community college I met two (20) they are rare but in the south If you know where to look and what to look for you can find them. about 40% of girls that claim to be virgins aren't the trick is learning they're behavior typically it's the shy girls with poor social skills or experience with guys that still have it but out of all of the girls that I knew when they were virgins I doubt any of them over 21 are still virgins.

      [–]The_Turbinator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      There really are, believe it or not. My brother met an 8 who models and is, you guessed it, a virgin. How that happened I have no clue. Maybe it helps that she is Asian and not White.

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      It's cultural, I've only ever met one free range virgin and she didn't get her cherry popped because she wouldn't date anyone for some reason, trust issues I guess; all the rest were very Christian or came from foreign cultures with an emphasis on virginity.

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        [–]cooltrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        A woman mother of two, 15 years older than me, made me cum 10 times the same night. A virgin can't do this. Said this, I INFINITELY prefer a virgin.

        I don't say "no" to non-virgins, but, since my interest in non-virgins is infinitely lower, non-virgins have to take infinitely more efforts to get me. I'm as merciless about this point as women are merciless about their own points whenever the chance presents itself.

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          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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          Virgin here too. I originally was the worst kind of incel that spent all day jerking off doing nothing, waiting for a chick to fall in my lap because I'd always been told "be your self" I was an obese, anti social, pervert I fixed my shit up got dating and realized I was better than most of the chicks out there and that I want a functioning LTR that leads to marriage and children, MY sense of legacy is too strong to accept anything else. I had an LTR that failed in many places and over a few years I was following bread crumbs of TRP knowledge back to here and here I am coming out of what is describable as a MGTOW frame of reference getting back into the dating scene and being confronted with value demonstration. My looks are average, my demeanor and charisma are high and I know game but I'm not doing great in the money and education departments, so even though there is basically no way, other than word of mouth, a girl would know I'm not a virgin I can't lower that value for the specific kind of girl I have targeted, I have to live it to get it and I can honestly say I'm voluntarily celibate and it is the hardest thing I've done my whole life.

          Above I linked to some studies that talk about this topic of virginity and marital disillusionment; I recommend you check it out.

          The research shows that once the sexuality switch has been flipped for women they end up in one of two places: lifetime whore or dedicated wife. A girl with multiple partners will cheat when she loses faith in the relationship that can mean you catch the flu and miss work for a week and she sucks her bosses dick because hypergamy tells her too or in the case of dedicated wife she takes off work to take care of you and couldn't fathom hurting you or the family by stepping out of the marriage because she has some inkling, a moment of doubt that you are becoming weak or that her life is fragile. Women cheat so much and never get caught but this has been recorded in human law for ages why do you think ancient societies treated women like prisoners and would kill adulterers, they destroy civilization by undermining the family unit.

          [–]tsotha 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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          However, anyone I'd want to be in a LTR with would have to have a low count - that low count number is not definite, because it mostly depends on the number in the last few years. Say roughly a maximum of two flings per year.

          If you marry her when she's 35, two flings a year adds up to something around 40 guys. You don't really look at that as a low count, do you?

          [–]massrabbler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          You seem to have forgotten the sentence directly before that.

          because it mostly depends on the number in the last few years

          Even with that said, I am 20. I can't speak for when I am in my thirties or older.

          [–]tsotha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I saw that, but what does "in the last few years" mean? Does it mean you expect she was a virgin prior to the last few years, or are you just not going to count what she did when she was younger?

          Very few women these days are looking to get married in the early twenties, and even fewer are interested in marrying a virgin. You've set for yourself a really hard row to hoe.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Came here from another thread where this was quoted. Great comment.

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          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 53 points54 points  (6 children)

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          The guy who wrote this, Professor Mentu, is extremely entertaining to read, but I think he's all but retired from the manosphere. Dalrock salvaged one of his greatest essays about single moms who say "You have to realize that my kid comes first!"

          Here's an excerpt with his reply:

          My response is basically “No I don’t.” I don’t have to realize anything, do anything, remember anything, respect anything, or acknowledge anything that I don’t want to. Congrats on popping out some other man’s womb turd, but that’s none of my concern unless I choose to make it so.

          Hot single moms are like motorcycles: exciting, sleek, high-performance and fun to ride, but they can’t stand up on their own. As even the most expensive Harley-Davidson needs a rider or a kickstand to remain upright, so does the single mom need either a rider or a dickstand to keep her from falling over. Without a rider, she may be using your dick, baby daddy’s dick, Uncle Sam’s dick, or a combination of the three – but rest assured she’s not standing on her own. There’s a dickstand somewhere.

          http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/dating-stantons-heroes/

          [–]watersign 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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          Perfect analogy. I hate most single moms.

          [–]_JustKnight_ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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          I love them actually. Easiest source of pussy. And I don't like doing unnecessary work.

          [–]watersign 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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          I agree, but to me they're the sources of the demise of America.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I bow before Mentu's uber-RPness.

          [–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          womb turd

          MY FUCKING GOD. YES!

          [–]Mayoyayo 28 points29 points  (2 children)

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          Early on in the Manosphere I saw an article that basically stated that the reason betas put women on a pedastal is because they werent there to witness all the sexually depraved shit she's been through, and has never seen any women do it for that matter.

          It made so much sense to me. I dont have a super ton of sexual experience myself, but I have enough to realize I shouldnt be pedastalizing that random pretty girl.

          It gets more intensified in an Eastern culture, where the idea of a pure girl waiting to lose her virginity at marriage still exists. AWALT is the motto for now.

          [–]cooltrip 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          If you could see what she did in her past, and compare it to what she's currently expecting from you, even allowing her to get near you and beg you instead of punching her in her eyes for such an offense onto you is still a magnanimous act of mercy you are honoring her with.

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          If she does it with you...

          I used to delicately caress a women like as if she where as fragile as a rose petal.. All girls where precious and needed to be treated as such.

          Compared to today, where I was fucking a girl on a desk then a couch in a public study room.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          It is not your job to be fair this is your life, not a general assembly at the UN.

          This shit had me laughing. Preach on, brotha.

          [–]theDarkAngle 27 points28 points  (7 children)

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          The problem I have with this post and this sub in general is the overt pussy-worship.

          Some men dont have a ton of options because they generally are more interested in other things. We sort of lament the 80/20 mating split, but we're not going to spend 40 hours a week lifting weights, adjusting our wardrobe, over-grooming etc etc just to become part of that 20% when we'd rather spend it scribbling on whiteboards, painting pictures, making music, writing code or even playing video games or making piles of empty beer cans with our buddies.

          This why Im more of an MRA/MGTOW. Lifting weights and developing "game" is just not very interesting. Sex is fun, but not really completely necessary for happiness. Many men long for a loyal wife and family, but in general I think time would be better served trying to achieve political change that makes women put on their big-girl panties (i.e., legal paternal surrender, no more alimony, no more daddy government, caps on child support etc etc.). We should be trying to make hard-working, loyal men more valuable by removing the safeties for women, not shaming them for being betas.

          Trying to pander to pussy is just as societally unproductive as feminism. So called "beta males" have always been the economic engine of civilization, and this sub does nothing but demean them. The next einstein might be out there lifting weights and trying to cure his "beta-ness" rather than scribbling on chalkboards and slacking on his grooming the way he should be.

          [–]laserdicks 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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          I like this response from the perspective that I feel like this sub strays from its core too often. "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." Whereas it seems like 80% of posts are entirely focused on the actions and intentions of women.

          Obviously sexual strategy is going to involve the study of women, but it just seems unbalanced towards negativity than a 'positive identity for men'.

          Maybe there should be more posts about the responsibilities and challenges that men have and should face, rather than how 2 get da pu$$y errday.

          [–]theDarkAngle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I think you nailed it. Sex is important to most men, I'd say, but it isn't the thing that makes you a man.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          but we're not going to spend 40 hours a week lifting weights, adjusting our wardrobe, over-grooming etc etc just to become part of that 20%

          I spend 4-5 hours a week lifting (I have a short, high intensity, effective lifting program which works for me).

          Wardrobe? Pfft. Tshirt and cargo pants.

          Grooming? Twice a week I get the shit under the beard, once a month I get a haircut.

          Game? This will take you a while to learn. It's interesting to me (didn't seem worth effort) because I'm very interested in what makes people tick.

          So called "beta males" have always been the economic engine of civilization, and this sub does nothing but demean them. The next einstein might be out there lifting weights and trying to cure his "beta-ness" rather than scribbling on chalkboards and slacking on his grooming the way he should be.

          Yep. Because our society is shit and our women no longer rewards such things. Our society will get what it deserves.

          [–]ControlBlue 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          In the end, the goal of TRP is to make people value the fact that they are men. This comes with good things that are society as been in the business of shaming and repressing for a while. This also comes with knowledge about that other half of our species whose interaction with condition so much of our lives (and yet that knowledge is everything but expanded or shared...)

          You can be a man without participating in the Game but you then better put your weight in the other aspects because it is still an important aspect of being one.

          [–]theDarkAngle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          This is what I'm talking about when I say pussy pandering. The prevailing attitude in our society is that men MUST be validated by women, particularly by sexual attention from women, and these kind of posts reinforce that notion.

          For me, part of taking the "red pill" involves a conscious effort to separate one's sense of self-worth from one's sex life.

          [–]Celi92 61 points62 points  (178 children)

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          I married my husband when I was 19, and he was 20. We were both virgins and each others first (and only) relationship. As a woman, I've been fed this sexual liberation propaganda all my life, and I've always thought it was horrible. I wanted to save myself for my husband, but I also wanted my husband to do the same for me. I've never met another woman who had the same opinion, though. So I really agree with this article. I know that if I were a man, I would be very sad at the state of women, and not know where to find a good wife. That's why I really like this forum, it's not easy to hear the truth about the world, but at least you guys wont get walked all over by the entitled brats in female bodies. From what I've seen all my life, girls nowadays are only obsessed with themselves, and they want/expect all men to be obsessed with them too. I guess they've been conditioned to be this way by society telling them they are so precious and important, but I personally find it disgusting and unfeminine. I try my best to always make my husband happy in every way that I can, and this involves the feminine quality of being self-sacrificing and serving another. In return he gives me the love and praise that my female self craves. But that's the thing. I have chosen to only want it from him, whereas I feel most girls want it from all men, or many men (Alpha men?).

          I'm not sure why anyone would care about this comment, but I wanted to put my opinion/personal experience out there.

          [–]-Viking- 36 points37 points  (142 children)

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          I don't understand..this subreddit seems to encourage men to pursue numerous women. How is that possible if all the women are supposed to remain chaste?

          [–]mbr902000 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          You have to understand why this sub was created. The reality is that a woman will never love you like she says she does. Read the articles in the sidebar. Men do want a relationship but society has taught women that they need to "be young, and live", aka, ride the cock carousel. Low partner count in a woman at least gives you a shot at pair bonding. Some of us pursue multiple women because we gave up chasing "the unicorn". Once you implement red pill and understand a womans nature, you will have a huge advantage in the market

          [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 3 points4 points  (11 children)

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          We rather have honest and respectable women. However, that's not what we have. We have an epidemic of whores, and if someone is going to be taking one of them home tonight, it may as well be us. TRP is amoral. It's not considered with what is right or wrong, it just looks at the world for what it is and teaches what is the best way to navigate it. In this case, there are a ton of whores and finding a quality wife is hard. So here is how you fuck those whores, and here is how to look for the quality wife.

          We aren't a social movement. We aren't trying to fix the amount of whores. We are just trying to get by.

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            [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 5 points6 points  (9 children)

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            I take it you're not a Red Piller because this subject has been beat to death. So I'm just going to copy and paste from another user:

            Yes, a high partner count is different for men and women.

            Why do women get called whores, but not men - the so called double standard, you might wonder? Because, in the natural kingdom, the females (of all species, really) are the selectors. The men? The selectees. For a male (of any species!) to get selected to mate takes work. An investment, accumulation of resources, size, and skills, etc. For females, this is not an accomplishment. She was always in the driving seat. Why is she giving up her fundamental asset to just anyone? Why is she risking the burden of becoming pregnant with just any guy that turns her on? That sets of warning bells in any biological males' head. She should be responsible and picky with her mate selection.

            ...Men having multiple partners is actually an appeal to women. It's called preselection and demonstrates a male's sexual fitness. For a man to have high sexual partners shows his success as a male because for a man to have a high sexual count requires hard work and is the signal of a high value male. Meanwhile, a women with a high count doesn't take any work. She just has to open her legs and men will be lined up around the block to sleep with her. It's not an achievement to say, as a woman, she's slept with 40 men.

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              [–]1johnnight 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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              There is no escape from evolution. It's in the present and will be in the future.

              You are the product of biology and having a developed neocortex and a broadband connection does not change that.

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                [–]I_like_to_debate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                There isn't an answer, all you'll get is patronised for not being a TRP'er. The logic does not follow, don't bother trying to understand it.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                It doesn't make me angry. Women have the right to fuck whomever they want as often as they want, but that doesn't remove them from criticism. Actions have consequences, and I will judge them according to my moral code, just as any one else will.

                We don't live in the evolutionary past. She's not "giving up her fundamental asset" or "risking the burden of becoming pregnant" anymore.

                Yes, we never stopped evolving. That's not how evolution works. Sure, there is contraceptive, but it's still not guaranteed and STDs are still a thing. And it's more than just the baby risk, it's much more than that. The type of woman that sleeps around a lot generally has many mental health issues. The type of woman that sleeps with just about any guy that arouses her, tends to be bad news and I want nothing to do with her as a SO.

                And you've also missed my entire point on the difficulty the genders have with sex. That's the key point as to why society treats them differently.

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                  Alright, I'm done with you. this isn't purple pill debate. You're inentionally missing the point. If you still are unable to realize that the sexual game is different for both genders, there is nothing I can do. In fact, I broke it down for you very logically, and so have many others here. Your only defense is emotional and "well there are some fat ugly chicks who can't get laid, and there are millionare movie star men who worked hard to get there that can easily get laid!" Exceptions exceptions exceptions... Do you not see the point as to WHY society values a guy like Brad Pitt who can sleep around? He earned it. It's hard to get there. Do you not see why society doesn't respect someone like a huge slut that fucks the entire frat house? Because that's not hard to do. An average woman requires nothing more than existing to achieve that success. And soceity doesn't give out trophies for easy accomplishments. Hence the reason society respects the male "stud" more than the "slut".

                  And the excuse of, "Well it feels good and no one is hurt!" is a terrible reasoning. There are numerous outliers. For instance, the point you evade, which are the psychological consequences of being the type of person that has a high number count. The reality is society DOES look down sluts. It doesn't matter if you think it's right. And if my 17 year old daughter told me she had a 20 person sexual partner count, I'd be pissed. The reality is, none of the boys at school will respect her (at least not the quality boys) and the girls are going to be vile and call her a slut. Most of the boys are just going to want her for sex, and she'll have a hard time starting quality relationships with the type of men that are going to succeed in life -- not the beta orbiter chode that will accept any pussy he can get. So now she's 20, still has trouble finding quality men, so she starts hiding her number count because she knows the reality of having a high number count (Which I find funny btw, in the askwomen threads about this. Whenever the number comes up, women always say, "A good guy wont care how many men you've been with! It's 2014, no one cares!" Yet EVERY fucking woman I ever meet ALWAYS lies about their number. THEY ALWAYS reduce the amount... Okay har har har maybe there is a few out there that don't, but you get the point)... This is why we slut shame as a society, the same way we fat shame. We do it, because we want to discourage bad decisions.

                  Okay, so any ways my daughter is now lying about her high partner count so she can find a quality boyfriend. But it's always awkward for her, because whenever they go out there is almost always another guy at the party that's fucked her. Before you know it, the guys are spreading rumors, calling her a slut, and eventually her new BF just goes, "Fuck it... This is too much baggage. I'm just going to dump you and get a normal girl that wont have all this drama and garbage attached..."

                  This is TRP. This is the reality of the world. This is how it works for the majority of people of quailty. I don't care about your few exception of friends who are fat sluts, loser orbirters, or whatever other type of exception you can think of. This is the reality of the world. Deal with it.

                  Then you went on to insult me personally when you know nothing about me.

                  Listen, if you want to be a huge slut and have 40 sexual partners, go ahead. Just don't be surprised when there are consequences and you find a majority of the quality men in the world want nothing to do with in beyond a ONS. You know this is a truth held by A LOT of men throughout the country, which is why it's such a debated issue. If you didn't recognize that this opinion was held by many people throughout the nation, you'd just be ignoring this discussion. But you know it has elements of truth.

                  So do whatever you want. I can't tell you what to do or not. But don't be surprised when a guy doesn't want to be with you for having 40 partners, because to him it triggers a deep response. Either because that partner count shows that you're a woman that freely just sleeps and gives up her most cherrished and physically bonding gift to every man she meets at a bar, or simply because he wants a more traditional wife that doesn't have all the baggage associated with fucking half the town.

                  You know this sentiment exists among the majority of the population. You know most people feel this way. Are we all just irrational and insecure people taking out our insecurities out on women with high partner counts? Maybe there is some truth to it when we say women slut shame other women because women are giving out something valuable for too free. And men don't prefer sluts in LTRs because they don't value their role as the gate keeper to sex and will statistically make worse wives.


                  If a guy and girl who both get laid every night by different women stood in front of me, this are the assumptions and actions I'd make just based off general truths (I don't give a fuck about the tiny minority exceptions)...

                  To the dude? Holy shit... This guy is banging hotties EVERY NIGHT. Not any guy can do that. That's a HUGE phenominal feat. He's just able to go in somewhere, take advantage of these girls who either want no strings attached (but likely would love a relationship if he was willing to settle) or want a relationship but are willing just to be his fuck doll to be in his presence. This guy must be doing life right. To get to that level, he must be all wining. I want to know him, and figure out his ways that made him so highly valued by women that he's able to do this.

                  To the woman? Shrug... Congratulations? That's not an accomplishment. It tells me nothing about your accomplishments in life. Any decently attractive woman can do this. Heck, you don't even need a really good personality. In fact, listen lady, you probably really seek male attention and while using your sex to get it, most of these guys don't want you in the long term and are just using you. Trust me, I see it ALL THE TIME... These guys just want easy access to your pussy... You got to stop giving it out so freely if you're ever going to want someone that respects you for more than just your pussy.

                  And that closing is key. To arouse a woman, it requires a full package man. Not just any guy can arrouse a woman... He needs to be charming, funny, etc etc.... He needs value as a whole package to arrouse many woman. However, a man just needs to see a nice ass to get aroused. That's it. The girl can be annoying and dumb... Just a nice ass is enough to get him ready to fuck. The woman needs no real value to get fucked by many men. But a man does need high value to fuck many woman.

                  [–]danny841 -2 points-1 points  (126 children)

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                  Because the basic beliefs of the subreddit are completely untenable. This subreddit DOES encourage men to pick up and sleep with tons of whores. For some reason the guys claim to be objectively more level headed and attractive for longer than the whores. You'll notice the rhetoric about "hitting the wall" is just a thinly veiled attempt at saying old guys are still hot or viable sex objects (they're really not, though I suppose their money is if they're rich).

                  Every hate filled impotent male screed on here is clearly dancing around the fact that men are good to go when they sleep with tons of women but women who sleep with tons of men are purely giving into base desires and are completely ruled by their emotions. It's not a coincidence that a lot of the "men" posting here are really just virgins who have a lot of arrogance and hate in their minds. This is why you get posts like this. They preach abstinence for women but slutiness for men. In the real world, outside of their bubble, people hook up all the time. And if you meet someone you like, and you choose to settle down with them, you really REALLY don't care about their sexual past. Presumably because you've had a sexual past as well and none of that matters in the present.

                  But every woman who is talked about on /r/TheRedPill is either a virginal teenager or a slut who deserves to die. There's no in between on here. Why? Because most of the men on here think themselves PUAs with epic game or downtrodden and recovering betas who never get anywhere and hate the world. When you've fashioned your self image as a stereotype it's much easier to see the world as such.

                  Do you hear that sound? It's me being shadowbanned from this subreddit. So I hope you read this fast.

                  [–]ControlBlue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  shadowbanned

                  If anything your comment thread should be upvoted to the max and shown to everyone on this sub.

                  It is the perfect example of what people on this sub should achieve not to be, an under performing, projecting, apologist, delusional and yet self righteous plugged-in.

                  [–]phx-au 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Correct(ish)! Now that I'm enjoying a long term relationship with a fairly RP aware girl, the girls that I've seen in the past who are not suited (and now probably even less suited) to be considered for an LTR does raise a problem: Some guys are going to have to take one of those low quality partners, or not have one.

                  Did we say it would be fair?

                  [–]frequentlywrong 15 points16 points  (44 children)

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                  For some reason the guys claim to be objectively more level headed and attractive for longer than the whores. You'll notice the rhetoric about "hitting the wall" is just a thinly veiled attempt at saying old guys are still hot or viable sex objects (they're really not, though I suppose their money is if they're rich).

                  Yet women are universally more attracted to older men. How many times do you see a young woman with an older guy compared to the opposite?

                  Every hate filled impotent male screed on here is clearly dancing around the fact that men are good to go when they sleep with tons of women but women who sleep with tons of men are purely giving into base desires and are completely ruled by their emotions.

                  Why are whore and slut derogatory terms and stud is a compliment? Men universally respect sluts less no matter what time in history or culture. A slut is a low value woman and always has been. RP explains real life. Feminist ideas are a rejection of reality of basic human nature. Which is why all feminists like you are angry so much.

                  Do you hear that sound? It's me being shadowbanned from this subreddit. So I hope you read this fast.

                  Mods don't have that power dumbass.

                  [–]danny841 0 points1 point  (42 children)

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                  Yet women are universally more attracted to older men. How many times do you see a young woman with an older guy compared to the opposite?

                  We're using anecdotes here. But whatever. The reason you see that is because those women value money and the stability that comes with it. But that's not every woman obviously. All of my friends with girlfriends aren't rich and they are as young as their girlfriends. Yet somehow they've found steady partners their own age. The mind boggles.

                  Why are whore and slut derogatory terms and stud is a compliment? Men universally respect sluts less no matter what time in history or culture. A slut is a low value woman and always has been. RP explains real life. Feminist ideas are a rejection of reality of basic human nature. Which is why all feminists like you are angry so much.

                  Because men dominated everything up until very recently??? I mean it's not rocket science. Who wrote history books? Who influenced culture? Who decided laws? Men. You're making this like it's supposed to be about an underlying biological and sociological difference between men and women that gives this particular notion that men are studs and women are sluts. But it's not really any particular thing other than women were apart from culture until very recently. It's why for example, in antiquity, the clit was the subject of discovery and rediscovery depending on which doctor was writing the text. It's not a great leap to say that female sexuality wasn't explored at all by many people. Where we differ is in explaining why. I say it's because women simply weren't part of history and culture in any big way. You say it's a nebulous Darwinist notion that men are basically supposed to plant their seed in every woman and women are really only supposed to receive one.

                  [–]frequentlywrong 9 points10 points  (41 children)

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                  We're using anecdotes here. But whatever.

                  No you are. I'm using generalities. The majority of couples are guys a few years older than women. This is an indisputable fact. The fact that some are the same age or some are older women is besides the point.

                  Because men dominated everything up until very recently???

                  So we are in agreement. Men dislike women who sleep around. We have not changed since the dawn of time (that is the non-feminist men).

                  So now because women can sleep around and quite a few do, we are suppose to change our basic human nature? We are suddenly now suppose to like and respect their actions? Why should we?

                  [–]TheTallGnome 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Men dislike women who sleep around. We have not changed since the dawn of time (that is the non-feminist men).

                  This is true.

                  So now because women can sleep around and quite a few do, we are suppose to change our basic human nature? We are suddenly now suppose to like and respect their actions?

                  "Basic human nature" Please stop using terms that you obviously don't know the definition of, this does not lie in our basic human nature (Stuff like fear for big animals with sharp claws does)

                  Yes, social norms has for a really long time said that women should stick to one partner, but why should we still hold that opinion?

                  Do you think that we should hate gays too, hate black people too? Social norms like these are old and unlogical.

                  Why should we?

                  Because they are human and deserve the same respect and opportunities that men do?

                  [–]frequentlywrong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  "Basic human nature" Please stop using terms that you obviously don't know the definition of, this does not lie in our basic human nature (Stuff like fear for big animals with sharp claws does)

                  Yes and big animals with sharp claws pose about an equal evolutionary risk. One might kill you, the other might carry some other mans genes in the next generation. Like it happens to about 10% of children even in modern times.

                  Biologists will use the exact same reasoning when arguing wether something is nature or nurture. Is it consistent across all known cultures? Must be nature.

                  Yes, social norms has for a really long time said that women should stick to one partner, but why should we still hold that opinion?

                  What is your argument that it is just a social norm? I have 2 arguments that it is human nature. It is an evolutionary advantage for a man to not risk his resources on a slut and the behavior is consistent across history. What is your argument for it being a social norm?

                  Do you think that we should hate gays too, hate black people too? Social norms like these are old and unlogical.

                  10% of children have different fathers than they or the men who raised them are led to believe. You call that fear of it happening to you illogical? Do you know women are more likely to cheat on men when they are ovulating? http://www.livescience.com/10828-booty-call-spot-fertile-woman.html

                  Because they are human and deserve the same respect and opportunities that men do?

                  I am perfectly within my rights to dislike someone who acts like an asshole. Just as I am perfectly in my rights not to waste my resources marrying a slut. Actions have consequences.

                  [–]danny841 3 points4 points  (38 children)

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                  No you stopped reading when I said that. The thing is that it's not our "basic human nature". Men were only in charge so much because they're physically stronger. Now that male power isn't really what drives society, it's very obvious that the cracks in the foundation are showing on patriarchal society. The red pill really feels like the last vestige of a dying breed. You aren't really saying anything that's new. It's just a conservative bubble not unlike born again Christians who think Obama is the devil.

                  There's a reason people don't really buy into the PUA theory of male attraction as a whole. And it's not because the matriarchy is working to hide it. It's because people see PUAs as really skeevy people.

                  [–]frequentlywrong 6 points7 points  (27 children)

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                  The thing is that it's not our "basic human nature".

                  How is it not? It existed since the dawn of civilization. Across the entire globe and across all cultures and you deny it's basic human nature?

                  Now that male power isn't really what drives society

                  Yes it is. They just don't get the attention, because public discourse is dominated by women and their beliefs. Men maintain, build and design probably 95% that drives society. How many women are in STEM fields?

                  You aren't really saying anything that's new.

                  No we are not. But feminist ideas are dominating public discourse. Which is why TRP came to exist. A place where men do not need self-censor in fear of getting their lives destroyed for stating their opinions.

                  [–]danny841 1 point2 points  (26 children)

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                  A place where men do not need self-censor in fear of getting their lives destroyed for stating their opinions.

                  Now you're just being hyperbolic.

                  And why are so many men in STEM fields? I don't know. Maybe it's part of history? Besides your definition of what drives society is inherently biased. If bridge building and website admin is your idea of society driving I think you're doing it wrong. There's a lot of men who aren't STEM majors. Are they less a part of the power that drives society? Or are they part of that power simply by virtue of being men?

                  [–]1sumthin_inappropriat 10 points11 points  (24 children)

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                  I know that I won't be saying the most popular opinion here, but I think you should post more in this sub. As long as you aren't trolling and are being respectful (this goes to everyone), it's actually not bad to see how the other side thinks.

                  That said, I think you've gotten off the topic of your original post. What are your principals? What are you really trying to say?

                  Everyone, can we please refrain from down voting these people into oblivion? Some of these people are just looking for negative attention. Just them at zero.

                  [–]frequentlywrong 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

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                  Dudes who are good at picking up women don't come across as "skeevy" people. Amateur PUA's who think they can follow a routine to pick up girls come off as skeevy people.

                  [–]danny841 -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

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                  follow a routine to pick up girls

                  That's literally all game is. "Hm she looks good to open with a kino. After that I'll neg her. Oh neg isn't working? Better ignore. Oh ignore isn't working? Better..." etc

                  Your job is to make it look as natural as possible. When in reality you're just running a bunch of scenarios in your head to eventually have sex.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

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                  You got a lot to learn, boy. TRP game is to walk up to a woman and start talking. If you aren't awesome enough you'll get rejected and it's your own fault so you better work on yourself. I literally haven't seen people suggest running routines since like 2008 when I first read "The Game", and even in the book he deals with idiots doing exactly what you're talking about.

                  [–]ControlBlue -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                  Mods don't have that power dumbass.

                  He thought he was still on TBP :)

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                  Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of the patriarchy oppressing you

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (56 children)

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                  http://i.imgur.com/fXRuJ3R.jpg

                  I guess we have a picture of what your typical bluepill looks like

                  Edit: http://www.imgur.com/Pttb6.jpg

                  [–]pillpapa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Ad hominem. I thought RP was better than this

                  [–]redpillshadow 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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                  Can't tell if guy or butch lesbian.

                  [–]danny841 -5 points-4 points  (6 children)

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                  This is that levelheaded and rational response I've come to expect from alphas.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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                  Do you know what it's like to go to a social event and have multiple women try to hook up with you? I'm being serious. Do you consider yourself to have high sexual value, as deemed by women, where you can pick and choose between multiple women trying to fuck you?

                  [–]QQ_L2P 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  You'll notice the rhetoric about "hitting the wall" is just a thinly veiled attempt at saying old guys are still hot or viable sex objects (they're really not, though I suppose their money is if they're rich)

                  Nah, that's the sound of a hamster running in its wheel. But thanks for the post, always nice of you to come by.

                  [–]nignog28 0 points1 point  (15 children)

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                  And if you meet someone you like, and you choose to settle down with them, you really REALLY don't care about their sexual past. Presumably because you've had a sexual past as well and none of that matters in the present.

                  If I am looking for someone to settle down with I want to find someone who is at lower risk of divorce since women initiate most of the divorce. Sexual past matters because it speaks about the character of that person and it increases the probability of divorce as the woman's partner count increases.

                  https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/teachman.jpg?w=500&h=519

                  [–]I_am_Appalachia 0 points1 point  (14 children)

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                  let me just rattle off some statistics about marriage and divorce

                  virgin

                  [–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  If women remained chaste then it goes back to one guy for one girl, the insular family unit. As it stands, women are hypergamous so for a man alive today, the sub will say go ahead and play the field.

                  Situation A is mutually exclusive of Situation B. A =/= B

                  [–]newguyacct -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                  That is why it's not possible for every man to do that. And any woman who's not chaste/open to doing that is not someone you want to be in an LTR with.

                  RP doesn't encourage anything - you can do whatever you want.

                  [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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                  Congrats to you for finding a good man and foregoing your ride on the cock carousel, which usually leads to spinsterhood in the 30's. You are a rarity in today's dating market. At least you won't be one of the women at 32 wondering why she "can't find any good men."

                  [–]iamnotfromtexas90 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                  I know that if I were a man, I would be very sad at the state of women, and not know where to find a good wife.

                  Most people online aren't religious, but I know where. At the church, temple, and mosque.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                  Online the common thing is women listing themselves as "spiritual, not religious."

                  "Spiritual, not religious" = They can't commit to structure in their faith lives either.

                  As far as meeting women at church, good luck. I've tried this. It's all old ladies and married women. It's not like the singles gather out back afterward.

                  [–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  If they can't quote the sacred texts well, then keep away. Somewhere their smokescreens and lies and acts will be flawed.

                  [–]tsotha 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                  I think you can pretty much dispense with everything but the "lack of options" part. No man (of any type) marries a 35 year old woman thinking she's a virgin unless he seduced her from a convent. These are guys who haven't been laid in a long, long time, are tired of being alone, and are despairing of ever having a wife or children. They're vulnerable, in other words. It's really not more complicated than that. They know they're getting a raw deal, but they're willing to make sacrifices to get what they think they're getting.

                  The problem is that they're not really getting what they think they're getting, in most cases, which is a lifelong commitment from the woman. Six or seven years down the road she's going to be, well, down the road and he's paying the bills for another twelve or thirteen years.

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                  The problem is that men as a whole allow this to happen. Its why people get angry at pathetic men. "Let them do what they want, its their life, they mightnt mind!"

                  For every guy that compliments an attention whore to build up her internal value, marries a woman with 40 sexual partners because she decided she wants 'real love' and betas the fuck around a girl in a relationship trying to win her over with overwhelming nice guy they are just fucking it up for the rest of us.

                  If women couldn't behave like this their whole lives and find decent men who want them we wouldn't be stuck in such bad situations as men. The women who don't behave like this are now a severe minority. I mean sub 10%.

                  [–]SariaLystra 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                  Amazing. Even after knowing all of this, I find that there are still some beta tendencies in my behavior.

                  On top of this, I would also like to add that a guy who complains about the friendzone deserves to be friendzoned. If you're stupid enough to be attached to a woman who is using your emotions for her own benefit without reciprocating, then yes, you deserve to be friendzoned. Grow up, forget her, and move on.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  Understand, no one is 100% Alpha. You'll see debates on whether one behavior was beta or alpha. Because the exact and intricate nature of Alpha is still under debate, we can't fully realize it. But when you get to the point you no longer care whether your actions are Alpha or beta by nature, you've probably achieved Alphadom. Or you're rocking low Beta/Omega status. Either way.

                  And excellent point on the friendzone.

                  [–]ienjoyopium 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Good god I hope becoming "alpha" in the terms of the hivemind does not equate to bastardizing the English language and grammar to the extent illustrated in these first few sentences. Although relevant in its content, this post is agonizing to read.

                  Edit: If this post is the product of mobile participation I can forgive its shortcomings.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I also vote for side bar.

                  We’'ve all heard the statement "It’s not fair that a woman who sleeps around is a whore, but men who sleep around are studs." There’s been more than enough digital ink spilled on this topic in the manosphere, so I won’t go in to it. Everybody knows it’s easy to be a whore, but hard to be a player – and society doesn’t award trophies for doing easy shit. It’s not a double standard; it’s two different standards for two different genders with two different barriers to sexual entry and two different sets of risk factors.

                  FINALLY a counterargument for the "double standard" point they make to justify whoring about.

                  [–]tobedwithoutsupper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Speaking of deleted blogs, anyone got any stuff from Gucci Little Piggy?

                  [–]CrustsRemoved 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Based on the theory above that the circumstances of a woman's sexual history are more important than the total number of partners?

                  Ie A woman with a count of five partners yet cheated on every single one is less attractive than one with fifteen yet remained faithful until the (undoubtedly convenient) termination of relationship?

                  Or

                  A woman who has twenty partners is looking to settle down and is disillusioned with the carousel at age 22 is a superior partner in comparison to a woman that's had fifteen partners but is looking to cash out at 29?

                  [–]thedeathofgod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Hahaha the casual "walk with me" was my favorite part of this.

                  [–]Darth_Pete 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Redpill as fuck

                  [–]Andrewticus04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  I-35 during Rush Hour

                  Someone's from Dallas...

                  [–]1KyfhoMyoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  Outstanding.

                  [–]The-Pussy-Whisperer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Could use some proofreading (why give people ammo to attack?) for typos and whatnot.

                  I absolutely agree with every fucking word.

                  [–]BeornPlush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  A few "and" should be "find" towards the end

                  [–]battlebaconxxl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  While its true what was written I don't like it. Most guys aren't wired to act "Alpha" and so if you want your men to be successful you take that into consideration. Dragging guys through divorce court and breaking families up poisons society. Justifying it by saying, "that is how women are, man!" just leads to more crap. It all begins and ends with women because they are the gatekeepers of sex. The supposed alpha's who can easily pull these girls are at fault too. Whorish women can't exist without men to fuck em. It is simply another data point in the betrayal of the "elite" against the common man.

                  Edit: If this post was talking about rape people would be screaming about blaming the victim. But I guess as a guy you are always at fault.

                  [–]goosepoop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Very good read! Thank you

                  [–]Unconaction 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Wow! Sidebar worthy.

                  [–]ratthing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Little rough around the edges, but a pretty damn good article.

                  Gangbang Barbie! HAHA!

                  [–]DarkSayed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Beautifully said.

                  [–]_Fony_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  This is amazing.

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                    [–]Mayoyayo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                    Im gonna guess hes an educated American

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                      [–]bootdoc 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      Appreciate the fact an over 40s male who understands what is going on explains and teaches!

                      [–]the_fluffy_one_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      It doesn’t matter if you banged 5,000 women on camera last night; you need to and the most competent, capable, qualifed, trustworthy, physically and emotionally stable woman you possibly can to help raise your children.

                      I still feel that you should try to bring in your own feelings and how you get on as a couple which you completely disregard. This is mainly for your mental wellbeing. If you force yourself to be in a LTR with someone who is a good mother but a poor wife, you create a much worse environment for the children than if it is the other way round.

                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      I fucking love this.

                      [–]1sumthin_inappropriat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      This is a great post. I really enjoyed reading it.

                      I'd like to know if you have a link to:

                      Does it make her a high-risk marriage partner and a shitty role model for your children in a society built around the family unit instead of the "it takes a village" approach? According to the church, the Centers for Disease Control, your buddy who laughs at you behind your back, biological evidence, gender anthropologists, a growing number of psychologists, your own gut instincts, and yours truly, yes it most certainly does.

                      If I can get some research together, I may have a chance at saving a few of my friends. The whole "you can't turn a ho into a housewife thing" only goes so far, but actual research really equalizes the conversation.

                      Also, there were a few grammatical corrections. Auto-correct may have mixed up 'and' with 'find' and 'finger' with 'anger.'

                      [–]nysyn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      this has to be sidebarred.

                      [–]MrStinky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      This is brilliant. How could anybody downvote it?

                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      "lotsa cocka"

                      Da GBFM? is that you??

                      [–]utorvita 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      I can't thank you enough for that hilarious yet true observation of the beta/whoredom reality. And my personal gratitude for allowing me to retire my aged "town bicycle" descriptor for "cock carousel" (which kept me awake laughing while trying to sleep last night)! Kudos! As for the I-35 thing, not sure where you are but living in Austin made that clearly understood.

                      [–]Nerf_Circus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                      "It’s not fair that a woman who sleeps around is a whore, but men who sleep around are studs." There’s been more than enough digital ink spilled on this topic in the manosphere, so I won’t go in to it. Everybody knows it’s easy to be a whore, but hard to be a player – and society doesn’t award trophies for doing easy shit. It’s not a double standard; it’s two different standards for two different genders with two different barriers to sexual entry and two different sets of risk factors.

                      This makes so much more sense when it doesn't come from butthurt basement dwellers or 15yr olds.

                      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                      It’s not a double standard; it’s two different standards for two different genders with two different barriers to sexual entry and two different sets of risk factors.

                      Vox Day came up with that exact line, I think.

                      'Different, not double':

                      Can you even imagine a man writing into a supposed sex expert because he is worried about the negative implications of a woman being a virgin?

                      "I’ve just met a guy online and we really clicked but he turns out to be a 32-year-old virgin! He’s attractive and it makes me wonder if he’s damaged in some way…"

                      "He doesn’t want sex and we’ve been dating for three months. What’s going on? Is it secretly gay? He says he’s a virgin but I don’t believe him…"

                      Two unusual emails plopping into my inbox? Or an indication of something that’s more common than you think. The answer is the latter. Notice that a 32-year old male virgin is deemed potentially damaged, while a man going three whole months without pressing a woman for sex is enough to raise suspicions of homosexuality. And even the expert deems such men to be "terrified". A female virgin is considered to be a prize. A male virgin is considered to be a damaged, terrified, secret homosexual. Sounds hot, doesn't it?

                      With men, female attraction favors the bold. With women, male attraction in the relationship sense tends to favor the reticent.

                      Don't judge women by male standards. And don't judge men by female standards. There is no "double-standard", there are simply two different standards for two very different types of human beings.

                      [–]cooltrip -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                      I love it. Upvote.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                      truth.

                      [–]alexkitsune 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Bottom-feeding scum sucking Cory Catfish, thy name is beta. Thank you for cleaning the algae and fecal remains of bigger, stronger, faster fish from the pond of society.

                      If you're going to open with an analogy, at least open with something correct. It makes you appear unintelligent if you try to pin the corydoras catfish species as a creature that eats algae or fecal matter, neither of which they consume. Nor do they live in ponds, corydoras can be found in large schools of 100+ in the amazonian river, they are a tropical species. They are indeed scavengers and will consume other deceased fish, but they are only carnivores and no fish actually literally eats shit. The only thing that consumes that for ATP is plants.

                      The writer could have made for a far better opener. Read up guys, nothing makes you look worse then being caught on bullshit intelligence.

                      [–]HoogaChakka -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

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                      A man with options

                      I don't think many of you have options seeing as how you worship TRP like a god. A real alpha doesn't need to pronounce his alpha-ness he just is. Let the downvotes commence.

                      [–]ControlBlue 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                      You are confusing this sub with the heavily censored, SRS-like, TBP.

                      Also you are generalizing the populace of a whole subreddit, and that with such weak arguments to boot.

                      The moment you can contribute something that would be worth the discussion and that would actually show with sensible points how "evil/pathetic/low" TRP is you can try again.

                      [–]HoogaChakka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      I'm not confusing TRP with anything. I'm also not calling it evil or pathetic. Maybe you should read my statement again.

                      [–]cooltrip 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                      A man with options fucks them all, he doesn't choose; and all of them want to fuck him, and just him (he is chosen).

                      [–]jacks1000 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                      I won't downvote you. Your post is such a great example of TBP mindset. You are suggesting that people who post in this online internet forum "worship TRP like a god" and say people are "pronouncing his alpha-ness."

                      It's odd to me how this little internet forum causes so much butthurt.

                      [–]HoogaChakka -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

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                      Oh i'm not butthurt. I'm sure some here will be though. I just find TRP hilarious. I'm not saying everything here is wrong..hell some of it spot on but some of the shit here is just that..shit. And yes there are quite alot of people here who think TRP is answer to everything i.e. me equating it with a god.

                      [–]grateday 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                      I kind of agree. I also just came from a thread on WorldNews where an Indian politician wants all women who have sex before marriage hung.

                      I like TRP and mensrights but I wish it could lay off the women hatred for a moment. There are good wholesome, loyal women out there.. I know, I have one.

                      [–]ControlBlue 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                      First off, WHERE in the post did he asks for women who had sex before marriage to be hung or punished??? This is all about personal choice, the betas are free to pick the leftovers if they want, the post just explains why the Alphas won't, that simple.

                      Second, there is nothing here that is women hatred, you are confusing slut "hatred" (nobody gonna harm them, we will just "use" them or won't marry them, big deal) and women hatred, why you made the confusion, I don't know...

                      [–]HoogaChakka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      I'm in complete agreement with you.

                      [–]boscoist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      Since this is apparently sidebar worthy, I'll offer a few things that could be improved before it get immortalized.

                      According to the church, the Centers for Disease Control, your buddy who laughs at you behind your back, biological evidence, gender anthropologists, a growing number of psychologists, your own gut instincts, and yours truly, yes it most certainly does.

                      1. This is a rather weak appeal to authority that doesn't help your argument. Cite them inline if you want to make an impact with this kind of statement.

                      2. Every time you mean to say finger, you say anger. Not sure if that is intentional.

                      3. I'd switch voluntolds with draftee's, but that's personal preference.

                      4. Remove their from you title lines. It adds nothing.

                      5. Your a "a man with options" could be formated to say:

                      A man with options would never: * put a ring on a anger that’s been wrapped around a dozen cocks. * pay the ultimate price of commit for a born again virgin fucktoy. * let his son’s first home be a womb that has seen more trafic than I-35 during rush hour. * allow the first kiss his newborn son receives to come from lips that have hosted lotsa cocka. * let his son’s first nourishment come from breasts that can be viewed on any number of cell phone cameras. * let his son’s first throne be the lap of a woman who has been passed around like a blunt at a frat party. * be a dickstand for a woman who squandered her youth and beauty on the men who respected her the least. * consider being the last man standing at the end of the long line of conquests she racked up while being the Grand Marshal of a rather impressive cock parade.

                      [–]AgentSmith27 -1 points0 points  (13 children)

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                      This greatly oversimplifies things, to the point where it misses the point. People cannot be divided into "alphas" and "betas" so easily...

                      A guy will go after the woman who has the qualities that he values the most. Does he value attractiveness far above everything else? Ok, then most of the time this person will not care about sexual history, unless its completely appalling to them. If sexual history was the primary factor, the man would have married the most chaste and untouched woman he could find.

                      An unattractive man will not balk at an attempt to have a more attractive girl... nor should he. If his financial means and stability allow him to obtain a woman that only more attractive men would typically get, then more power to him. He is playing to his strengths. He could theoretically get a girl with an optimal sexual history instead, but the fact is that many guys care less about this.

                      I'm not going to say that a person's sexual history isn't important... it is. However, when women feel the need to start a family, priorities change. They want stability, then want someone who is going to be a good father, they want someone who can provide for them. Attractiveness becomes much less of a factor for the women. The guys with the desired qualities are going to have the sex... but the most desired qualities change with time.

                      This doesn't really happen to men. Regardless of what you say, attractiveness is going to be a primary factor for most guys, regardless of age. Both sexes will strive to get as close as they can to the "ideal package", but everyone has their priorities.

                      Once you get into your late 20's and early 30's, many people start to "settle". People take what they can get. A guy will prioritize attraction, and often "settle" on other less desirable factors (e.g. sexual history). Women will prioritize stability to meet her biological needs, and settle on the guy's attractiveness. No one is getting entirely what they want.

                      Personally, I see this as a victory for the hard working, but less attractive men. If not for this behavior, they'd almost certainly lose out. Due to this they now have a fighting chance at women who were "out of their league". I feel worse for some of the attractive guys who wait until after 30 to settle down. A lot of them will lose their looks, and unless they have other good qualities, they will have a much harder time competing.

                      Nearly everyone decides to start a family at some point. All the "bros" who just wanted commitment free sex will get married and start a family. All the women who had tons of commitment free sex will get married and start a family. Even the unattractive people who couldn't find a date for a decade will eventually get married and start a family. Its true for about 90% of the people out there. If you wait too long, your choices thin out. That is just how it goes.

                      IMO, A large portion of the best woman kind has to offer are taken off the market in their mid 20's. Many happy and stable relationships between attractive and well adjusted people happen during this time. Considering you are inevitably going to settle down anyway, and you'll hope that this relationship will carry itself until the day one of you die, its smarter to strike while the iron is hot. Don't miss your window.

                      [–]ControlBlue 3 points4 points  (12 children)

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                      Literally still plugged in.

                      You are more in the business of finding excuses for those behaviors instead of just taking account of them and acting based on them.

                      And one of the big facts you are missing out in your effort to ignore the differences between the two genders is that men are not that affected by the Wall, if anything multiple factors like financial stability make it that the urge to settle in is weaker for men than women.

                      Also you are dismissing the experience in the game those "attractive" guys will get while getting there...

                      [–]AgentSmith27 1 point2 points  (11 children)

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                      Literally still plugged in.

                      You are more in the business of finding excuses for those behaviors instead of just taking account of them and acting based on them.

                      I don't think you read closely enough... I'm doing exactly what you accuse me of not doing.

                      And one of the big facts you are missing out in your effort to ignore the differences between the two genders is that men are not that affected by the Wall, if anything multiple factors like financial stability make it that the urge to settle in is weaker for men than women.

                      ...

                      men are not that affected by the Wall

                      Nope. That is the biggest misconception on here. Most men's looks degrade almost as bad as women's as they get older. Guys have slightly more longevity, but it most certainly doesn't last forever.

                      The big advantage that older guys have, however, is money/career/security. Yet, here we are, in this thread labeling these guys as "betas". Well guess what - that is the only way you don't hit "the wall". Otherwise, a good looking 20 year old girl is going to look in disgust at your average overweight 35 year old guy. Sure, there are guys who manage to stay very fit into their mid to late 30's, but its a lot harder to do and they usually can't compete with their 25 year old self on looks alone.

                      Also you are dismissing the experience in the game those "attractive" guys will get while getting there...

                      That is the problem... its not so clear cut. Are you doing poorly with women at 25, but have a good job? In your early 30's, you'll do better if your career pans out. Women will approach an age where they are forced to settle down, and they won't want an attractive loser with no job. The tides turn, and we get the scenario the OP is lambasting.

                      If you are attractive, and you are doing well, you could wait... but do you have a good job? Do you have money? If you gain 30 lbs and start to lose your hair, at 30+ you are going to find yourself fishing from the shallow end of the gene pool. There is a lot of risk in that. You can quickly go from having the ability to procreate with a perfect ten, to being stuck with a hard 5 or 6, all within the span of a couple years.

                      Obviously, it pays to be wealthy AND attractive. Most people don't have the luxury of being both. Hell, a lot of people don't have the luxury of being either.

                      Like I said, guys like you oversimplify everything. Life is like a game of chess, and you are formulating a strategy for checkers.

                      What's the most important thing you'd look for in a woman? Its probably looks. For most guys looks have the most weight. The fact of the matter is that you should do whatever it takes to maximizes your chances of getting the best you can get, in accordance with what you want. The situation, for most people, is never optimal. You almost always have to sacrifice something from your ideal scenario.

                      Practically no guy will have 30 years worth of sex and then settle down with a beautiful 22 year old virgin. Doesn't happen. I'm not even really suggesting what your priorities should be. Only you can decide that. Just don't fool yourself into thinking the aforementioned scenario is going to happen to you. It won't. I guarantee it.

                      [–]ControlBlue 0 points1 point  (10 children)

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                      I have observational evidences that fly in everything you just said. You are vastly over estimating the impact of the wall on men as your use of the word 'slightly', it also indicate that you are likely a woman or very young, else you would have a clue.

                      All you are doing is dismissing facts and getting into exaggerations, iI would love to know what could motivate you to do that, jealousy maybe? Bah who knows.

                      [–]AgentSmith27 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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                      I have observational evidences that fly in everything you just said. You are vastly over estimating the impact of the wall on men as your use of the word 'slightly', it also indicate that you are likely a woman or very young, else you would have a clue. All you are doing is dismissing facts and getting into exaggerations, iI would love to know what could motivate you to do that, jealousy maybe? Bah who knows.

                      The last guy who said this to me was 23, and a DBZ/anime fan. I'll take five dollar bets that you are no different.

                      Tell me, are you still living at home with your parents? Are you even over 30? If not, then you probably should be trying a bit harder to back these claims up. It wouldn't hurt to try and be less vague either. I wrote like 7 paragraphs. Just saying "you're wrong" means next to nothing without some sort of qualification to that statement.

                      Unlike most people here, I have actually seen how life has changed for a ton of people as they enter their 30's. I grew up with these people. I've went to reunion's with these people. I am one of those people.

                      On the other hand, most young guys in their mid 20's have no idea how much their life will change in just a few years. All of your friends are going to be married with kids. You are currently basing your beliefs on what some other 20 somethings have told you, or maybe some guy with a blog who swears these things are true. The point is, these sources are not in accordance with reality. I believe most people in their mid 30's would agree with me... especially the ones who are still single.

                      I have no agenda. I'm not trying to convert anyone to my ideology. I'm just sharing my experiences.

                      [–]ControlBlue -1 points0 points  (8 children)

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                      2014, hating on DBZ/anime

                      Well at least I have evidences that you are just a bitter old man.

                      How does it feel to have missed the greatest childhood this planet has ever witnessed?

                      And you owe me $5.

                      [–]AgentSmith27 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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                      Well at least I have evidences that you are just a bitter old man. How does it feel to have missed the greatest childhood this planet has ever witnessed? And you owe me $5.

                      So now I go from being "very young" to a "bitter old man". I tried to have a civil conversation with you, but if you're going to be an ass, I'll be an ass back.

                      My reddit search tool comes up with this on you:

                      http://redditlog.com/snapshots/458841

                      To put it simply, it was a classical matter of "you spend too much time on the computer" and "you should get a job instead of wasting your time on your project", except that this time the punishment was a total ban from accessing the computer and the threat of sending me to the police or worse (the nuthouse) if I disobeyed (which I obviously did). The very important detail is that in Senegal there is such a thing as "Crime against progenitor", aka it's a free pass for your parents to send you in jail, and since my father is a doctor (and a religious fanatic at the same time...) he can also "righteously" falsify his way into sending me to the nuthouse. So yeah, this was very close from degenerating. And the funny thing is that they sent all that bullshit my way when I was like 99% done on my project and was ready to search for a job :/

                      As of a year ago, you are living at home with mommy and daddy who are mad at you for spending too much time on the computer. I'm sure you are a real ladies man in that third world country you are from.

                      As far as the anime thing goes, here is one of your 50+ posts in /r/anime and whatnot, where you talk about the intricate nature of erotic anime

                      Well, if I ever seen a typical, pseudo-erotic, "age of competence"-driven anime, it has to be this one. How many more anime will we have to see with the timid teenager becoming a god after a chance encounter with a seemingly promiscuous girl?

                      Yes, tell us how many more of them you will have to see...

                      I'll be waiting on your $5, but I'm guessing its going to take a few years for you to save up that much money. Maybe your parents can lend it to you?

                      You said your dad is a doctor... maybe he can help treat you after all those burns...

                      [–]ControlBlue -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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                      Seems like I struck a nerve, confirmed as bitter old man.

                      And now to get that smile of your face.

                      1. Yes I was working at home in my parent's house and that after having been in employ for a year as a an interim, the pay was mediocre but the experience was invaluable, so invaluable that I decided to start my own startup. I have completed the project but unfortunately the cost was realizing how antimatter my parent really were. I eventually literally fled from home and somehow got a job back, and now they are being me to come back lol.

                      But hey iI have no ill feelings toward them at least they have me the chance to not care for my expenses and get this thing done.

                      And now yes I can't complain about my sexual life, girls are easy here mostly because a lot value a good financial situation, which is why I know you are full of shit as you massively downplay the importance of both experience and finance, things that are not afflicted by the wall for men by won't help a woman, and having both, so far, I clearly don't fear getting to my thirties.

                      So yeah good try, you may have better luck next time.

                      Also believe it or not, business is booming here but I guess you might be to American to know that.

                      Excuse any typos, I'm writing this one from my tablet :=)

                      KAMEHAMEHA, Sucka !!

                      [–]AgentSmith27 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                      Seems like I struck a nerve, confirmed as bitter old man.

                      Yes I was working at home in my parent's house and that after having been in employ for a year as a an interim, the pay was mediocre but the experience was invaluable, so invaluable that I decided to start my own startup. I have completed the project but unfortunately the cost was realizing how antimatter my parent really were. I eventually literally fled from home and somehow got a job back, and now they are being me to come back lol.

                      I usually don't dig into post history, but I just wanted to show anyone who read this thread who they would be taking advice from. You are a guy in a third world country, who was living at home with his parents, watching erotic anime... pretending to be an older guy who knew what its like to be over 30.

                      Even if you weren't lyng and were over 30 + independent... You are in a very different part of the world than most redditors. There are portions of your country where people are literally living in huts. I'm sure you are posting from a more modern city, but surely you must recognize that there is going to be a serious cultural divide. What would possibly possess you to think you had any insight on Canadian/American/European male:female relationships?

                      KAMEHAMEHA, Sucka !!

                      Again, I was just confirming the stereotype to be true. I can't be bitter if I'm right, can I?

                      Also, try not to lie anymore. The last thing we need is more people pretending to be Nigerian Princes, and other completely made up nonsense.

                      [–]ControlBlue -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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                      What would possibly possess you to think you had any insight on Canadian/American/European male:female relationships?

                      Maybe because... I've been there?? Where do you think I got my English (as bad as it might be), SUCKA?!

                      I've also been in Europe, northern Africa, and all those have been pretty long stays. So yeah I've been able to observe and experience the different aspects of those with different cultures. I know it might be shocking to learn people don't rot in a single country their whole lives nowadays, or better that a poor little African might be able to do it :=)

                      As I said, bitter, old, and now I can add small-minded, and American. Close enough? Even if it's not it can't be as bad as your half-assed attempt to frame me.

                      gg

                      [–]TheSerpent -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                      i can't say that i disagree, but you should write from the frame of reference of giving validation instead of seeking it.