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[–]johngalt1234 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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Take an example from khan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnttwx0P6I

Woman: I don't know if you are going to like living in our time

Khan: Then I will have to remould it to my liking.

[–]1johnnight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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Khan's DT frame crushing her LMR, nice.

Montalban was actually often cast in Latin lover-type roles prior to this one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is why I really didn't like the new Star Trek movie. Benedict Cumberbatch is a good actor, but his Khan did not have any of the charisma that Montalban was able to put into the role. It felt to me like Abrams did not understand the character he was re-creating at all.

[–]eccentricrealist 45 points46 points  (16 children)

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Complaining about women is a healthy part of the anger phase. Of course, it has to end at some point. The reason there's a lot of complaint posts is the influx of new members every once in a while. You can usually tell who's begun to swallow the pill recently by the type of comments.

[–]sheds82 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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for how long is anger healthy enough? I am in the process of digesting the freaking pill and can't bring myself to a starting point.

[–]TheSKSpecial 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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The anger is healthy as long as you use it as fuel for improvement. Use the fact that women abuse betas as your motivation to be better than beta.

As you begin really improving yourself, the anger tends to give way to acceptance that this is how women are, and you can either keep devoting energy at being angry at the fact that they won't change, or devote that energy to continue making yourself better.

[–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Long enough to eventually shed your skin. Anger and bitterness should serve as a catalyzer to your new, better self. You can't just suddenly go from one personality/identity to another overnight, without any "shock". In my personal life, I've noticed that I always hit peaks in awesomeness right after coming out of a depression. It seems like cycles of depression make way for a stronger self.

[–]itsmsbetty 12 points13 points  (9 children)

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How is it healthy

[–]TheSKSpecial 35 points36 points  (5 children)

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Better to have the space where a man can complain and be angry about women here than if they bottle it up until they lose their shit.

[–]FreudianBulldog 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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To counter you with psychological evidence, though, individuals who were given a space to and encouraged to vent their frustrations after an anger-inducing event were more likely to report still being angry 6 months, 12 months, and 18 months later than a group not encouraged and told to "bottle up". That being said, it still didn't solve any problems, this is just assuming that healthy=not feeling angry all the time.

On the whole though, I agree with you, I think a safe space is needed. Though I hate using the word safe space.

[–]InsanityManifest 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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A roommate of mine told me why he liked living in a bachelor pad with me and our other mates.

He said, "I feel like I can fuck up here, and it's okay. No one's going to tear me down here. You guys let me know when I'm fucking up but you don't take it personally and you give a shit whether I get what I need out of my fuck ups."

Venting is very healthy so long as it's followed with guidance. Shouting at walls without actually stopping the cause of frustration just reinforces anger in response to stress. Bottling it up is worse because it teaches you to freeze or lock-up when you get stress.

This is what MALE space was for. The more I study ancient history, the more I come to believe that any successful civilization needs an organized place where men can learn from their more experienced peers.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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On the whole though, I agree with you, I think a safe space is needed. Though I hate using the word safe space.

"Safe space" is usually used to mean "space where you are safe from criticism".

What I think you are saying we need is a "free space". Meaning a space where we will not be prevented from saying what we have to say, even if it is angry or critical.

[–]Kekeramitu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I think this is why there are posts like this one, encouraging people to move on from the phase. Otherwise you will just stay angry forever. It's still useful, however, to have this ' anger phase', if anything just to cement the ideas of TRP firmly. When i was digesting TRP I didn't make any posts, but I am sure as hell never going to forget any of the stuff I learned reading 'angry' posts since they were written from a similar mental point of view as my own.

[–]1trplurker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Because anger is a response to a threat or abuse. In this case the threat / abuse is from how society lies to men to enslave them. Once those lies start falling apart the truth comes out, and that truth is very hard. Anger is the natural response, and men are justified in being angry at being lied to and enslaved. It need to run it's course and transform into a resolve to not allow the past mistakes to be repeated. That process takes time, not days but weeks, months or even years. The longer the man lived under those lies the longer it'll take to resolve that anger. Someone finding TRP at 21 is going to have an easier time adjusting them someone finding it at 45 after being divorced raped from finding their wife pulling trains.

They need to be able to vent but they should keep it inside the threads and not in unending posts that clutter up the front page.

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because they are angry at the right things.

[–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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If you don't feel anger at something that intensely pisses you off you're either the Dalai Lama or have been lobotomised.

Expressing displeasure in a strong, controlled fashion and using it to fuel your efforts for self improvements is what anger is meant to be used for. Rather than the 'throwing toys out of the pram' temper tantrums you see from white knights and women who don't get what they want when they want it.

[–]billiegoad 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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Sending our jobs oversees and creating ever more laws to ensure the US citizens' odds of fines, arrest and incarceration is increased daily isn't progress either unless you're a lawyer. You're over thinking it. Men and women come together to procreate. Though the average sized beta male is a safe bet for security and financial support, once the kids are about 7 the female will crave the larger beta male. And yes I'm talking about reproductive organs. Once a couple kids come out of that vagina it's never the same.

Don't hate the player, hate the game the lawyers created. Marriage is a farce. Put aside that feeling you want someone to love you for YOU young men and pay for sex the old fashioned way, by the hour. Because you don't know it yet but you'll pay for sex in family court when your marriage and relationship run it's course. 7 years and done. Want to know if a woman really loves you? Tell her after you get married you want to stay home and take care of the house and kids while she works. It's the ultimate litmus test.

[–]icyhot39 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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Want to know if a woman really loves you? Tell her after you get married you want to stay home and take care of the house and kids while she works. It's the ultimate litmus test.

Ha! I did that. It was glorious. (predictable result)

[–]billiegoad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Props man!

[–]SouthwellR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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This is true, the women hating on here is the worst part of TRP, the self improvement/ tips with dating etc is great. But stuff like "all women cannot think logically" is nothing but pure hatred. Makes me sick.

[–]Aughin 18 points19 points  (4 children)

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As you said in your post. These kind of complains are nothing but a tool for the weak and motivation less to gain a kick out of their situation. Its a tool for the weak who can't change their situation.

Thanks for reminding the community about important key truths like this.

[–]UnimpressedAsshole 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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[–]VirgoRooster 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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It really is. Y'know, for all the shit people give /r/seduction on TRP (and some of it's justified), at least that sub is optimistic.

I mean this, once you the basics of TRP philosophy, it is infinitely more valuable to you to "Say hi to 3 women today" (and example of a noobie 'challenge' you might find on seddit) than come here for two hours and complain.

I'm probably a little guilty of it too. But really, insofar as TRP is about seeking the truth, ask yourself: Rationally, does it make any sense to sit here and complain? It's still not getting you laid. You're still clearly not enjoying your life. TRP is valuable knowledge you can use to your advantage in your day-to-day, but don't let theory overtake practice.

And really, I can't stress this enough: What purpose does being bitter serve? If I have one gripe with TRP, it's that the perception is that there's a lot of pent up rage and cynicism. It's good in moderation, but god-dam, why restrict yourself from being happy? Go lift or build something already.

[–]ch4os1337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Sounds like a symptom of depression/anxiety disorders to me.

[–]magicalbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Learn how women are and then decide your choice within this knowledge with spinning plates, serial monogamist, or MGTOW

[–]kinklianekoff 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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Great post! Lately there have been seen so many posts where they have lost hope and they claim they have surrendered women completely. The reasons are usually that they project masculine qualities on women combined with seeing the societal problems. While that is an understandable reaction, the positive outlook described in this post will lead to much more net happiness all around. This is worthy of a sticky at least.

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    [–]candyman420 13 points14 points  (25 children)

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    take the kids to a muslim country where fathers always get custody and where they won't extradite over parental custody disputes, and start over. (I hear Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei have great weather and beaches.)

    Yeah! Just pack up and move to a muslim country!

    are you for real?...the fuck is wrong with some of you people?

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      [–]candyman420 2 points3 points  (22 children)

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      huhh huh huuhh "it's a big world you should learn about it" - thank you for patronizing me.

      You're kind of out there in loony land if you think that men have it so bad here that they need to move to countries with many customs and beliefs from the fucking stone-ages, all because "women are too powerful here." Give me a break.

      Get your perspective back.

      [–]bobthegreyduck 1 point2 points  (7 children)

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      agree

      [–]1PaulRivers10 1 point2 points  (6 children)

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      also agree

      It's hardly alpha to uproot your life, and both work and social relationships, all because a woman wanted something from you. That's about as Gamma/Omega as you can get.

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        [–]slothytheSlothSloth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        How alpha are you really nopeing out of your child's life?

        [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        You're confusing Alpha and Gamma.

        If you aren't prepared to walk away from any situation when it no longer serves your needs, then that weakness will be used against you.

        It is weak to have to walk away from a situation that is serving your needs and you are powerful in, to go to a situation where you an a low power outsider - no established social relationships, a completely different language, a culture you don't understand.

        It's far more alpha to avoid letting your situation deteriorate into something that no longer suits your needs to begin with. Use protection, don't stick your dick in crazy, etc.

        You know all those single moms shacked up with beta cuckolds raising other men's kids? Those betas all "manned up" after the Alphas noped the fuck on out of there.

        No, a competent Alpha was able to have sex without getting her pregnant to begin with. He isn't constantly moving because his situation falls apart - he's smart enough to keep a situation that's serving his needs going.

        An Alpha doesn't sit back and let people pass laws that chain him in his own country. It's Gamma/Omega to have no social power so your only choice is to run. It's Alpha to have the social power to stop this shit from happening.

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          [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          In the USA, for example, the rate of entreneurship and small-business ownership among immigrants is something like 10 times the rate among native-born Americans.

          I get your point, but do those immigrants just abandon their efforts the moment a white person gets mad at them? Do they leave the US and go back to their home country?

          I don't disagree with the philosophy you're talking about, but I do disagree that it's applicable here - someone's ability to start anew is different than them being so weak they have to run away whenever they're threatened and abandon everything they worked hard to build.

          It creates the situation you ended with - the only practical way to live becomes to sit home afraid to make a move, because you know that if you earn anything, someone will come along and easily just take it away from you the moment it's worth something.

          At it's extreme, what you're talking about is a system where you build a business, a women sees that it's nice, and the cops come and say "you have to leave now or we'll shoot you, because this woman decided she wants your business".

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            [–]candyman420 0 points1 point  (12 children)

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            Not comparable at all, programming my ass. The muslim world may be just fine and dandy if you like living under extremely strict laws, and as long as you aren't gay or a woman. People get stoned to death there for getting raped and shit. And it's not just extremists, that's mainstream culture.

            Honor killings are still commonplace there, right?

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              [–]candyman420 0 points1 point  (10 children)

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              You're splitting hairs. The larger point is that it's not necessary to move to an arab country unless you want to date arab women.

              It's also asinine to uproot your entire life just because of a woman. I think this is a fundamental redpill concept which you have missed, as others have pointed out.

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                [–]candyman420 0 points1 point  (8 children)

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                And that implies that you think your roots are considered to be "chains" - and no, in a city of over 7 million people, they aren't.

                No woman is worth uprooting yourself for. If you want to be closer to a beach, mountains, whatever, that's different.

                [–]RichardPerle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                For what it's worth, Indonesia has jailed people for admitting that they're atheists.

                [–]sheds82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I sense a bit of anger here still, but nonetheless it's being diverted properly into forcing yourself to be better than freaking betas.

                So that's cool

                [–]Zaorish9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Thank you for saying this. Posts like this are incredibly encouraging. Just the idea that I don't have to worry about all the stupid bullshit in the newspaper, all the partially responsible victims in the world, is incredibly liberating and true.

                [–]icyhot39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                Very fucking true. I once told my ex that she had better not fuck with with because I would find a way to both get even and to avoid the US bullshit laws. I made that clear early in the relationship. Looking back on it, I should have headed out the door when I saw her reaction. Ultimately, I believe this kept me from getting divorce raped. When women realize that they can't actually fuck with you they usually don't try.

                [–]deville05 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                Everybody complains. Its to let out some frustration and anger. I think its necessary and healthy. The alternative is to beat the person you are angry with, or someone else, damage property, brake plates lift etc. Some are not harmful and some are. Complaining isnt. Its only annoying if it never stops and keeps repeating for the same things

                [–]killwhiteyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Its only annoying if it never stops and keeps repeating for the same things

                around here, that's exactly what happens. sure, it's a hundred threads from a hundred different dudes, but its basically all the same thing. and reading those rants and chanting in solidarity "FUCK THAT BITCH" only turns this place into a hatred circle jerk.

                [–]angelpuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Gay men are not rational and do not live with their head. They stereotypically live with their hearts. Wtf op. A man who wants a woman who lives with her head and not her heart, isn't gay. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

                [–]icyhot39 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                Ok, listen up. The last month or so, TRP has been filled with this 'stop complaining' and 'suck it up' talk. It actually makes a lot of sense. We cannot play the victim and expect to enjoy life.

                However, if you want me to seriously consider women as a sex or life partner I'll need to hear some actual arguments affirming these good virtues which you claim they have. e.g.

                |The same things that make them frustratingly irrational on facebook posts are the things that also make them feminine and loveable to us. They live with their hearts. You wouldn't want them to live with their heads.

                I no longer see redeeming qualities in women. They're occasionally entertaining, but that's it. So if you want to actually us/me to stop being disgusted and frustrated that I was lied to and manipulated my whole life, perhaps offer an alternative. Just telling me to suck it up doesn't help.

                MGTOW until convinced otherwise.

                [–]Zaorish9 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                Most mothers legitimately love their children unconditionally. That's a good quality.

                Women can be beautiful, silly, charming. That's a good quality.

                Women are strongly inherently motivated to work as teachers and nurses which are roles that do benefit society in small ways. Those are good qualities.

                [–]Maiotome 2 points3 points  (10 children)

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                Dude, there is way too much anger. if the average woman can't even play the average online multi-player game without getting crap ,then it's gone too far. Seriously, most of my time on Reddit is just guys taking out their crappy past relationships out on me. In other times I just witness crappy comments that I'm supposed to taking lying down. Comments like "Women don't contribute anything to society", "all women are sluts" and ect. I have four brothers, so I know guys get hurt. I've seen it and it's unfair, but creating this hostile online environment for women isn't the answer. This is why the only MMORPG I play is world of warcraft. No one believes your female, even if you tell them or even if you make a female character. I always play the leader role, as a warrior tank. It's nice to be complimented if I do well or shouted/sworn at if I do badly. It's completely equal.

                [–]SouthwellR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Exactly, though there are lots of fakes of girls online, its hard to judge when you can't see them. Trust me, there are lots of sad guys who stoop this low unfortunately, though I've never played WoW etc so I cant comment on that.

                [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (8 children)

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                You do realize that EVERYONE gets crap playing online multi-player games, right? You're not some special snowflake getting picked on just because you're a girl.

                If I had a nickel for every time I've been called a faggot/jew/nigger/pussy or threatened to be hacked/attacked/killed by somebody who claims they've fucked my mother/sister/wife/girlfriend/dog/cat/goldfish I could buy Valve, Microsoft, Nintendo, AND Sony. You either mute them, ignore them, only play closed lobbies with friends, or shut them up by beating them until they quit. You want to hang with the guys, you need to get accustomed to what guys say to each other.

                You tell a man everything he's been taught about women is a lie and continually show how women continually perpetuate these lies for their own benefit and you don't expect some anger, then you're a damn fool.

                [–]Maiotome 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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                Did you even read my comment to it's full? What I like about WOW is the privacy. Being criticized is actually nice because I'm treated completely fairly, only based off skill. In WOW no one knows you're a girl or believes you're a girl.

                "You tell a man everything he's been taught about women is a lie and continually show how women continually perpetuate these lies for their own benefit and you don't expect some anger, then you're a damn fool."

                And once again someone needs to unload their psychological problems towards women as soon as I mention I'm female. I can't be expected to carry this weight of other peoples issues as soon as I go online. You have to deal with this in the real world. Stop making the internet a shitty place for women.I don't care if someone swears at me or says I'm a noob. The real problem is being pull into these deep psychological debates and deep insecurities that clearly people are choosing to vent online instead of dealing with in the real world.

                [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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                I read exactly what you said.

                if the average woman can't even play the average online multi-player game without getting crap ,then it's gone too far.

                It's not "gone too far", it's been the norm pretty much since Xbox Live brought online gaming into the mainstream. It's a hostile environment to everyone, not just women. You get sexist generalizations and come-ons, I get called every name in the book by people who say they'll do unimaginable things to me and every woman I may ever know (even if they don't actually exist). And that's when I'm winning. God forbid I'm playing a game and sucking at it.

                I already told you how men deal with it (ignore, mute, go private or get good), so why do you feel that being a woman entitles you to different treatment?

                [–]Maiotome 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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                Dude,if you think that's bad, trying being a tank in world of warcraft. A game which literately drives people ballistic. I remember when I started playing(early WOW) it would take 2-4 hours to get a party together for a dungeon. Plus the hour it took for everyone to walk/ride to the dungeon. So if you got your party killed people would go ballistic because you just cost them 4 hours of their life plus a lot of gold. Fact, when I'm playing wow no one casually mentions some psychological,personal issue with women. They don't mention the infrastructure of female thinking and go into deeper issues. I didn't insinuate at all that I was entitled to anything. Once again I said that the fact I'm criticized in WOW is a great part of it because it's "equal"

                "if the average woman can't even play the average online multi-player game without getting crap ,then it's gone too far."

                I said this because it's general knowledge. I've seen it when I watched my female friends play online games (not WOW). What I see isn't criticism. I'm not talking about criticism, once again. I think I know the difference between smack talk and people going into deep sociological issue that are completely irrelevant to anything. What I'm talking about is passive aggressiveness and un dealt issues which are being vented out which has to with peoples personal experiences and personal dissatisfaction. We're talking about things that men are thinking but not saying in the real world. Things they probably want to say to their moms or wives, or women in general because they're so unhappy with the rejection they face. Most women online aren't equipped to deal with this. It was men that created this society of not venting, and being "strong" and look what it has done. It's turned the internet into a passive aggressive place.

                [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                I wasn't talking about criticism either. You insinuated you were entitled because you keep pointing out how "unfair" it is to women and how it's "gone too far" when I'm saying the environment is the same to everyone regardless of gender. It's only "unfair" if you expect to be treated differently than the norm.

                With that said, people aren't bringing up deep sociological issues playing video games online. Why are you trying to conflate what you read on this subreddit with what happens when you're playing WOW? Two completely different subgroups of men.

                [–]Maiotome 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                -_-'I'm trying to explain it to you. Guys in the real world generally see women as fragile creatures. They'll vent things in because they think it makes them a "real man" or a good person. It isn't good. It's turned the internet into a passive aggressive place and you can't see it because you're not female. Whether it's forum or games, it's there. People need to start dealing with this shit so I don't have to constantly hear it. It's like I'm hidden within a male space and hearing all the crap that I'm not supposed to. It's not about being entitled and all that other bullshit.

                [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                Since you've edited your prior posts to actually clarify what you're complaining about, I'll respond in kind.

                You're complaining about men venting about things that make you uncomfortable. Well, seeing as women view these kinds of guys as unattractive/pathetic, and the men these guys would likely relate to the most are in the same boat, who do you prefer they'd complain to? Or would you rather they just suck it up in silence until they finally crack?

                It's like I'm hidden within a male space and hearing all the crap that I'm not supposed to.

                You entered the male space and announced you're a girl while attempting to build a rapport vis a vis playing the same games. Why should they accommodate to only talk about what makes you comfortable? You want to play in the guy's space, then be ready to hear how guys think.

                You don't want them complaining to you, don't tell them you're a girl. Don't complain that "people need to deal"...when in complaining about them "not dealing" you're refusing to deal with it yourself.

                [–]Maiotome 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                I have a habit of posting first and re-editing the grammar/response seconds later. If I edit it within seconds, it shouldn't be a problem. The final post is always the response I want. As well I only ever pronounce I'm female to illustrate and re enforce a point that has already been made. Generally I prefer not to at all . I don't particularly let opinions get to me. However I do have a little sis that is obsessed, addicted to gaming/ forums. I only get annoyed because I don't want to think of these same morons saying these things to her. Too many people are casually making generalizations, that are thought out on a deep sociological level and birthed simply from real world resentments. Don't go throwing that heavy shit the second you see a female. It's not cool and it shouldn't be normal but it is. Swearing at someone isn't going to affect them,but that is.

                [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                And again, so what? If you don't want these guys complaining and saying these things to her, then either help them become more socially adjusted so they don't have anything to complain about, or deal with the fact that not every space is created equal and not every man is going to bend over backwards to not talk about things that you don't like.

                What you're not going to be able to do is make men give up one of the last spaces they have left to vent without providing a suitable alternative.

                You might not want to think about "these same morons" but that doesn't mean they don't exist. They do, they have as valid a reason as anybody to be there, they were there before you showed up, and they'll be there after you leave.

                [–]mightyspan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                I don't think things like this are said enough. If you're going to improve, you can't focus energy on blaming others for your plight. Own the situation and change it to your benefit. That's all that matters.

                [–]Tcettenoc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                One of my favourite quotes is: When you blame others, you give up your power to change. - Robert Anthony Yes, we're in an era of masculine suppression, but the fact is, everything cannot be blamed on women.

                [–]2RedPill4LYF 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                Just a random thought, maybe we should make a sub specifically for men to air their grievances about women. Not a fully formed concept on my end, but if anyone wants to run with it have at it.

                [–]1FloranHunter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                /r/mensrants maybe?

                [–]2RedPill4LYF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I'll be damned. Went to go subscribe and I'm apparently already a member. Joke goes here.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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                This is the reason why I broke away from the PUA and MRA communities. So much whining and insecurity.

                [–]RichardPerle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                At least the MRAs are trying to fix some of this shit, even if whining is their primary weapon.

                [–]CannedBrains -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

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                This.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Don't waste your time worrying about things that you can't change. Maybe for a little while so you can get the anger out, but it's unhealthy in the long term.

                [–]More_Human 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Excellent insights. I think a lot of the anger comes from feeling that women think through, weigh the possible outcomes and willfully choose to do something that's detrimental to you. But I really have come instead to see these things not as a behaviour that should be chastised, but simply as a part of who they are.

                [–]nataliieportman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                My friends who complain the most don't get laid and are very beta.

                [–]tedted8888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                One reaps what he sows...

                think "women are cheating ruthless catty bitches"... the women in your life will be cheating ruthless catty bitches.

                think "women are beautiful cute charming human beings"... the woman in your life will be beautiful, charming and cute.

                [–]greycloud24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                it might not lead to progress, but it sure is progressive. lol i made a bad joke. did you get it "progressive"?

                [–]leeloo_cakes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Laughing at women for being bad at obstacle courses, for example, is just a sop to your inner weakness.

                Sounds like OP doesn't know who Amelia Boone is.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                You have posted this right in between stage 4 and 5 with myself. Just a few days ago MGTOW sounded pretty good... at 19. I simply didn't feel I wanted to put myself out there. Now reaching acceptance, I believe working on myself and simply looking out for the signs of what I don't want is the best opportunity for a life of happiness.

                [–]mc0079 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                19? Way to young to start contemplating anything.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I was put into a position to grow up about 10 years faster than others.

                [–]explodingham 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                .... I can't even respond

                [–]Jovian8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Fantastic post. Nothing more to say.

                [–]WhatsUpWithTheKnicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                That bears the question: how long should a healthy anger phase be? When does it start to become detrimental?

                I would say, the first function is the age of the redpiller. If you are let say 40+ and discover the RP after two failed marriages, your anger phase will probably be for years and justly so. OTOH, if you are a 21 year old who though "Wait a minute" after having some trouble getting laid and then discovers the RP, his anger phase should be a matter of months tops.

                Then again, some people are maybe a bit too impatient with themselves and their process.

                Thoughts?

                [–]billiegoad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Sending our jobs oversees and creating ever more laws to ensure the US citizens' odds of fines, arrest and incarceration increases daily isn't progress either unless you're a lawyer. You're over thinking it. Men and women come together to procreate. Though the average sized beta male is a safe bet for security and financial support, once the kids are about 7 the female will crave the larger beta male. And yes I'm talking about reproductive organs. Once a couple kids come out of that vagina it's never the same.

                Don't hate the player, hate the game the lawyers created. Marriage is a farce. Put aside that feeling you want someone to love you for you young men and pay for sex the old fashioned way, by the hour. Because you don't know it yet but you'll pay for sex in family court when your marriage and relationship run it's course. 7 years and done. Want to know if a woman really loves you? Tell her after you get married you want to stay home and take care of the house and kids while she works. It's the ultimate litmus test.

                [–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                The same things that make them frustratingly irrational on facebook posts are the things that also make them feminine and loveable to us. They live with their hearts. You wouldn't want them to live with their heads.

                This is some next-level shit. I've only recently naturally stumbled upon this realization. Just like TRP, gaining understanding eventually leads to loss of unnecessary bitterness and anger. Being ignorant is what leads to permanent bitterness and "misogyny", knowledge and understanding are the key.

                [–]vorverk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I just seem to be stuck in angry phase. Being beta most of my life after swallowing the pill I just seem to be sinking in to some sort of depression. Where can I read more about getting out of anger phase?

                [–]Gorgonzola54 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                This is why however entertaining some posts moaning about women and feminism can be (on TRP) they are baseless and useless to your improvement and probably your happiness.

                [–]CropDuster33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                The whole point of this sub is adaptation.

                [–]peaudecastor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Complaining is fucking weak. Just stop this shit and take care of business.

                [–]ashglass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Complaining about an issue without offering a solution is whining, bitching, etc. unless it is something you completely cannot help, such as a death or disease, you gain no benefit from simply complaining.

                I see this around me all the time. People complain about their jobs. Their girlfriends. Their weight. Their social life.

                But do they get off their asses and make a change?

                Fuck no.

                That's what makes so many people pathetic.

                [–]tarvis79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                The pervasive, toxic ideology of feminism which purports that women are the same as men is heavily indoctrinated into all of us from day 1, and requires a great deal of deprogramming to undo. I think, in that sense, some complaining is healthy and maybe even needed. However, I agree that at some point, we need to simply accept that we were lied to and go about being productive about it, as men are supposed to do.

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                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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                  No it isn't. Rofl.

                  [–]TurgidMeatWand 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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                  True, but it's used to frame arguements against it. If I had happened upon redpill during an influx of circlejerk "women are irrational children who won't let me fuck them" posts. I would have assumed all the comments about it being an epicenter for butthurt neckbeards to be valid.

                  [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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                  You raise a good point.

                  TRP is supposed to about how to go from butthurt neckbeard to self-actualized man. If we are too hostile to their neckbeards, or their butthurt, we fail to reach them with the help we offer. If we are too tolerant, then we enable them to wallow in self-pity and blame-shifting, and do not force them to confront their own shortcomings.

                  [–]sheds82 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Is it ok to say that the red pill is about growing and achieving as men, regardless of what women, or people for that matter, think?

                  If so, then it's a good way of living

                  [–]TurgidMeatWand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  I've only been grazing redpill for about 2months now, but it does seem to be striking a good balance.

                  I'm a fan of the "tough love" approach and I hate sugar coating, but unfortunately that's where you have to start with some people.

                  [–]UnderwearStain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  It's a tough problem. If you overly subdivide theredpill and isolate solid vet rp from the new guys you get the blind leading the blind in here. On the flip side if you've been around a while you're so far removed from the new guy stuff that it pisses you off to see it all over the front page.

                  Age does the same thing. Stories from the kids on here are in no way relatable to my life. But to their peers it probably holds some kind of value. If the old guys up and left or the young guys leave we lose the ability to learn from and teach each other.

                  It's difficult to have a place this size and have unification on what is "needed" when everyone needs something different.

                  [–]Gstreetshit -1 points0 points  (8 children)

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                  This is why I wish the MRA flair would go away.

                  [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 12 points13 points  (5 children)

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                  The "Men's Rights" flair is fine. TRP will change the way you view a lot of different facets of society, not just your interactions with women. For instance, though I do own a TV, it barely gets turned on anymore. Why?

                  1. I'm finding other, better shit to do with my time
                  2. Watching the average TV show, miniseries, or commercial makes me sick to watch anymore.

                  Why? Because the only group it's OK to ridicule anymore are straight, white men. Every commercial, romcom, sitcom, whatever, you will see the middle aged white guy acting like a feminized doofus, bumbling around, saying stupid things while his smart, morally centered, judgmental wife cracks stupid comments and jokes about him. Or when a doofus male is standing in the cereal isle staring at the boxes like an idiot, and the smart woman comes along to educate him on the vitamin values in bran flakes. Or when in an action movie, the smart female is feverishly decoding a computer before a virus wipes out the power grid, while the men stand around staring in awe of her. Before TRP, I never noticed shit like this, but now I see it everywhere. The theme of today's Hollywood is stupid white guy, out-classed and outdone by a smart, strong, independent women.

                  And don't get me started on our legal system and /r/pussypass.

                  "Men's Right's" aims to expose and discuss the societal forces that create beta, weak, blue pill men in the first place. And you can't know where you're going until you know where you've been.

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                    [–]TheSKSpecial 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                    Do you really have to wonder? If you turn on your TV you'll see that exact marketing ploy happening right now. When was the last time you saw a show with a strong, smart father or husband? When was the last time you saw an ad where the woman deferred to the man to make a decision for their family?

                    [–]1trplurker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                    Modern Family with the Jay + Sofia relationship.

                    Actually that entire show got extremely hilarious after being exposed to TRP. It's writers knew exactly what they were doing, they just had to bury it enough that it would pass the "Holywood feminist approved" filter.

                    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Remember this Cheerios ad? that had conservative right wingers up in arms about the fact that it depicted a "mixed race" family, and the fact that Cheerios was promoting this as a norm was outrageous?

                    This ad pissed me the fuck off, but for a completely different reason. Again, it depicted the "responsible mom", doing something of value, awake in the kitchen, while the useless father is lying down sleeping on the couch in the middle of the day.

                    Mommy=responsible, caring parent, and daddy=useless, lazy schlub.

                    I can find countless other examples of this narrative.

                    [–]skinisblackmetallic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    I wonder about this myself.

                    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                    It's not an MRA flair it's a "men's rights" flair. Men do have rights. Discussing those rights and a violation of those rights doesn't automatically make you a part of their movement.

                    [–]Acksiom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Try to imagine how little we care.

                    [–]naji247 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                    A truly enlightening post. Every now and then I hear my friends complaining about women (even if they aren't red pilled) and I think to myself about what they're really gaining by complaining. After red pill I actually find myself really worried that I'm not putting myself out there or not actually doing everything I've read on /r/trp or the rational male. While it's not healthy to constantly worry whether or not I'm making excuses to go out and talk to women, I think it's better than complaining and not taking any action at all!