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[–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 87 points88 points  (4 children)

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So glad Im not a mod and don't have to deal with the seasonal shit monsoons.

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    [–][deleted] 115 points116 points  (7 children)

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    Top shelf moderation on this sub. TRP and /r/NFL have the best mods on reddit

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      [–]Strongproudwoman 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      Ya no doubt, and a well written post.

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      r/steroids is pretty sweet as well.

      [–]1 Endorsed ContributorMeatclap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      Agreed. I've seen fast clamping down on things here, which is welcome from the usual shooting gallery of nonsense elsewhere.

      [–]monsieurhire2 49 points50 points  (25 children)

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      What I found disturbing about these attacks was how quickly certain bloggers framed the issue as being a manosphere issue.

      [–]TankVet 17 points18 points  (7 children)

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      Yeah, I was really surprised to find this. To me the shooter is somebody who doesn't at all understand what being a man is about, he's petty and small-minded, ya know, criminally insane.

      I feel like some of those bloggers look at him and think, "that's what those red pill men want!" And we look at him and think, "what a goddamn lunatic."

      [–]-wabi-sabi- 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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      If anything a small part of his problem (other than being bat shit nuts) was that he utterly refused to follow the advice of puas and redpill leaning people. Instead he was a "nice guy" a "true gentlemen" who "deserved the love" of women. But crazy be crazy.

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              [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 26 points27 points  (4 children)

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              It's disgusting and divisive. Only people full of hate with an axe to grind behave in such a fashion.

              [–]monsieurhire2 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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              But it also seems coordinated, like they all got on the phone, or skype, and thought, let's frame this as an MRA issue and work it into our blogposts. If Xeni Jardin on boingboing.net is framing it that way, well, she carries fair amount of influence, so, yeah, very disconcerting.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              Apparently they're psychopaths themselves.

              [–]monsieurhire2 14 points15 points  (1 child)

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              I wouldn't go that far on all of them. Mostly just being lemmings and hopping on the bandwagon. Some view these subs as the vanguard of something worse, like the advent of Christianized version of the burqa brigade, and so are trying to preempt them. And then some people just have an irrational, unexamined hatred for men and masculinity, especially strong men, who are perceived as warlike and destructive. It's very bad that people make up their minds so quickly and rush to judgment.

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                [–]monsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                It would be if he weren't a raving lunatic. There's a difference between an ideology that calls for the destruction of people, and someone lunatic developing his OWN interpretation of a non-destruction ideology and using it for destruction. Think about all the religious nuts who are members of non-violent religions . . . killing in the name of their religion. Same thing.

                Sure, there are angry, bitter, vitriolic people who post in MRA, TRP, and PUA, but mostly people are mild and looking to solve their own personal problems, not go on some fucking jihad. I see the same thing in feminist forums, btw, where some woman will rave about how all men should be castrated, or locked up, or eliminated from the species. You don't see us tarring the feminists with the Lorena Bobbit brush either.

                Edit: Like a lot of other people, you ignore his statements about killing all the men so he can have all the women, and the fact that he killed men as well as women. He was CRAZY. There's no consistency in CRAZY. Had he never stumbled on the subs and forums, he would just be another sexually frustrated, CRAZY nut. Those existed LONG before the forums and subs.

                [–]friestogo 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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                I find it disturbing that they've managed to frame it so that people now think the killers main motivation was misogyny. He killed more men than women. If he's a misogynist then he's not a very good one.

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                  [–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Actions > words.. He stabbed three men to death first before anything else. But don't let that get in the way of your script mate.

                  Oh and go read the manifesto. He also states that he hates literally everyone else in the entire world. He was a fucking crazy mass murderer, and you're taking him at his word? What an idiot you must be.

                  [–]friestogo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                  He also thought of himself as better than other men, calling himself a 'perfect gentleman' and other guys 'brutes' or 'assholes' etc. His anger was directed at both men and women, though he did speak more about his hatred of women given that he was a sexually frustrated heterosexual man - what a surprise. He was a misanthrope rather than just a misogynist.

                  [–]jelloba 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  /r/thebluepill thinks that this is all TRP's fault, but they should really be looking at /r9k/ for answers.

                  [–]icheah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Seems like they think everything is our fault, really.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Remember Columbine shooting? They (SJWs) blamed everybody they didn't like ... game industry, NRA, Marilyn Manson ... it's just that now we are at the spotlight and getting momentum, so we have to be stopped and/or discredited.

                  [–]LAMFF 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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                  Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't more men killed by this psycho than women?

                  [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                  I think so. He killed two sorority girls, his housemates and himself, assuming his housemates are all guys that would be 5 males and 2 females dead.

                  [–]OriDoodle 17 points18 points  (2 children)

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                  I just wanted to clarify something. He killed his housemates only so that he could have his hosue to himself to set up as a torture/murder space for those women who had wronged him. That does not negate the awfulness of his rommates deaths by any means, however.

                  [–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  Honest question: how do you know that? Is it said anywhere?

                  [–]OriDoodle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  yup, actually, it is written I his 'manifesto', on his blog. truthfully, I did not personally reqs the blog, just thehighlights someone posted. I dont think it wise to gettoo cozywith the murderously insane.

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                    [–]1blahbergstein 19 points20 points  (6 children)

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                    The reason there is such a furore linking him with the manosphere is because of the parallel between the anger redpillers feel and this guys utter failure with women and subsequent kill fest.

                    Hitler thought something was wrong with society
                    TRP thinks something is wrong with society
                    Therefore TRP is literally Hitler

                    [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                    This man used the same lexicon as that other man. Therefore they have the same ideas.

                    [–]1johnnight 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                    [–]1blahbergstein -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                    [–]1johnnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    [–]amIrealorareyoufake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Femisim once thought and still do that society is wrong does this mean trp and feminists = Hitler ??

                    [–]SenorPuff 11 points12 points  (10 children)

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                    The Red Pill is for the sick, not the healthy. You don't need to take the pill if you're not plugged in. That people think we're condoning the sickness instead of trying to cure it is the ridiculous part. Did this guy want to be sick? He obviously wanted to kill other people rather than fix himself and what he was doing wrong. That's not Red Pill. That's Hamstering 101: blame others for your problems, get hostile when they don't care.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

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                    The Red Pill is for the sick, not the healthy.

                    Seriously?

                    [–]SenorPuff 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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                    The red pill is what gets you out of the matrix . Do you need to take it if you're not in the matrix? No. Do you go to a hospital if you're perfectly healthy? Only if you're a doctor or visiting someone who needs your support. It's not for you. It offers you nothing in the terms of self betterment.

                    [–]Dreamtrain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    That's akin to saying go to the gym once and be content with getting DOMS and claim now you're as strong/fit/lean as you'll get. You don't, you put effort into shit, you weed out your bad habits that were holding you back and people around you told you to embrace or accept as part of you and it becomes a constant from now on.

                    [–]SenorPuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    The pill just starts the journey down the rabbit hole. It's the exit, not the destination.

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                        [–]1PaulRivers10 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                        Seriously?

                        "sick" is a poor choice of words in this context, but I think what he's alluding to is that if one isn't plugged into the matrix to begin with, they wouldn't need the red pill to unplug from it.

                        Bad choice of words though.

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                          Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I'm not contributing by saying I agree but I think your post was so spot-on that you deserved it.

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                            [–]rpkarma -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                            Red pillers don't feel anger. Not once you've truly swallowed it, anyway. Takes years, at least it did for me.

                            [–]fx-115es 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            Iven dalai lama expirienses anger

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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                            I don't want to discuss the incident but I want to make a comment about feminism.

                            I used to be very pro-feminist, I still support womens rights and want an equal society.

                            However, the combination of how aggressively they are trying to shame people away from the Mens Rights Movement, the fact that /r/againstmensrights had "Kill All Men" as their banner until this weekend (they quickly realised that it would lead to them rightly being labelled as a hate group), the way feminists are trying to spin this tragedy to further their political goals and just the general lack of self awareness and complete lack of reasonableness in the movement at the moment has turned me away from it.

                            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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                            Feminism has been hijacked by radicals, it's an ideology of hate now, not a civil rights movement.

                            [–]1PaulRivers10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                            Feminism has been hijacked by radicals, it's an ideology of hate now, not a civil rights movement.

                            George Orwell's novel "Animal Farm" seems to be written modelling what happened with communism, but it describes the phases pretty much all social movements go through.

                            At the end, this happens: "Years pass, and the pigs start to resemble humans, as they walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are abridged to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Napoleon holds a dinner party for the pigs and local farmers, with whom he celebrates a new alliance. He abolishes the practice of the revolutionary traditions and restores the name "The Manor Farm". As the animals look from pigs to humans, they realise they can no longer distinguish between the two."

                            The formerly "oppressed" try to become the new oppressors.

                            You'll notice that word "equality" is rarely used in modern feminism because it might give others room to point out that things are unequal. Now it's always "victim", so any bullying or oppression the new crowd is doing can be described as "it's ok because we were oppressed for a long time".

                            The movie "The Butler" shows the progression of even the black civil rights movement (a group of people who were seriously, genuinely oppressed into slavery) which starts out being - well, slaves with no rights and who's lives are seen as disposable, through fighting and winning against genuine oppression, into a final stage with the black panthers that attracted a lot of a desire to act in the same way their previous "oppressors" did.

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                            Disagree.

                            Any left-wing movement inevitably becomes an ideology of Marxian hate where the oppressed are saints and the majoritarian "oppressors" are the wicked demons as the cause of all of societies ills along with all the problems minority groups face.

                            A lot of their methods are also incrementalist, but it's hard to say how much of it is intentional rather than a natural progression. For example, womens' suffrage in America was radical in the 1910s and 1920s yet and now even conservatives don't think much of it. I don't want to be too political here, because I do think women shouldn't vote, but seeing as women vote predominately liberal it puts 2 + 2 together. Not all women have the political acumen of Ann Coulter (and even Sarah Palin, believe it or not).

                            Feminism had a bunch of radicals from early-on, anyways, like Emma Goldman.

                            [–]remember13 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                            Hayek said about social justice that he fears what crimes will be done in the name of this principle. I really see how the world is going to shit because of the actions of a poor, misguided young man ( hell, just 1 year my senior). I was also in a dark place a few months ago, but because of trp I am here, happy, healthy. I thank this community, I thank the Manosphere.

                            [–]skifer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                            hell I couldn't agree more. If not for the /r/TheRedPill and other similar places in the Internet, I would be miserable as well.

                            TRP was a thing that could have saved Elliot Rodger and his victims.

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                            Stoicism is probably a good idea. I know I've just held my tongue through all this. I've done it mainly because I have more important things to focus on. Cheers to your progress, well done.

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                            Good.

                            [–]Get_Them_Now 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                            If you read his manifesto carefully, you will see he sometimes writes like George R.R. Martin, the author of Game of Thrones. He even has a few reoccurring quotes from the books. Scary.

                            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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                            Women have killed people too. And the majority of men in this world have never killed anyone.

                            But let's forget about these two logical counterexamples.

                            [–]riverraider69 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                            Well, in all honestly men kill (and are killed) orders of magnitude more then women. So saying "he's more likely to be a killer because he is a man" is perfectly true, from a bayesian probability point of view. There are different reasons why it's a shitty argument, both statistic and social.

                            [–]Dreamtrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            Valerie Solanas, the most feminist person out there, tried to murder Andy Warhol. Yet no one right now, at least to my knowledge, is saying all feminists are murderers.

                            [–]6TLaRm4g 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                            He didn't kill because of being beta. He killed because of having mental disease. Mental disease made him unattractive and rejected. Don't try to explain this in TRP frame, because you only encourage others to treat cases like this as a problem of a group of people with certain worldview and not as a problem of mental health.

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                            Love you, mods. ~20 duplicates since yesterday. Thanks!

                            [–]smokeybehr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                            It's not just in here, but in MensRights, 2XC, and every other Men's Rights and Feminista sub.

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                              [–]totorox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              Fair points. The manosphere strikes me as headless and strategyless. If you want advice for improving yourself it's pretty good, but if you want to fight feminism and cultural marxism? It's going nowhere because it has no strategy and no tactic worthy of the names.

                              First, know your enemy. These people don't give a shit about truth, they're only serving a political agenda. Define that agenda, define the people behind it, know who and what you're dealing with.

                              In this event the manosphere is facing a lobbying campaign. The first need is to identify what campaign this is, what its agendas are from the short term ones to the long term ones, and who's behind it at different levels of involvement.

                              [–]smellthenoise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              Wat

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                                [–]chevtastic88 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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                                This popped up on my fb feed http://m.policymic.com/articles/89905/what-elliot-rodger-said-about-women-reveals-why-we-need-to-stamp-out-misogyny . The author discusses these quotes from Elliot Rodgers (who is clearly a psychopath) and uses them as a blanket statement against misogynists, or synonymously...males.

                                "Judging by the chilling YouTube video Elliot Rodger left behind, the gunman knew exactly what he was doing when he went on a shooting rampage with a semi-automatic. Frustrated by the fact that women, inferior creatures he felt like he was entitled to, rejected him romantically, he decided to get even. An excerpt from the video and a transcript from the Daily Kos show how deeply misogyny informed his worldview."

                                "It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."

                                Then the author delves into the following topics berating white males.

                                1. Men commit most school shootings

                                2. Most school shooters are white

                                3. Most victims of school shootings are female

                                4. Many school shooters target females who have rejected them in the past

                                5. Most gunmen exhibit a large sense of entitlement

                                6. Many school shootings could qualify as hate crimes against women and girls

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                                Elliot Rogers also killed 4 men and wanted to commit genocide against all men.

                                [–]SariaLystra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                Does the author have a degree is psychology or something or is she just a feminist pulling shit out of her ass because last I checked, the narrative was "violent video games".

                                So it's men now? Hmmmm.... What's the next song going to be?

                                [–]totorox -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                                women, inferior creatures

                                Nope, I don't recall him saying anything like that. I'd bet it's pure strawmanning from the Feminist.

                                [–]qwerty622 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                he did allude to them being inferior several times in his manifesto. he called them irrational, incapable of making the correct decision, and suggested that, since they make what he perceived as erroneous mating choices, they should be used solely as reproductive vessels with no claim to who they can and cannot reproduce with.

                                [–]manofire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                Yet another incel goes mad and kills people because he sees no way out. And of course liberals are talking about how we need tougher gun laws and how no man should feel entitled to sex. And this guy posted on the puahate forum, too. So I'm sure there liberals will also blame the internet/free speech for this too. American civilization is long past the point of no return. And they will refuse to learn what they do wrong, which will continually produce more guys like this. Already, it resembles in some ways a third-world society. And the rest of the descent will be ever more horrifying.

                                [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                                I understand why the mods would not want to deal with a storm of stories.

                                But consider, for a moment, how masterfully feminism has manipulated the system to keep anyone from discussing the numerous topics this brings up that run counter to the feminist agenda.

                                His main site seems to be PUAHate.com - a site dedicated to hating PUA's, and most likely TheRedPill and possibly Mra's. Feminists hate PUA's, the main site he read hates MRA's - if people kept talking about it, someone might realize similarities between the mindsets. Was PUAHate filled with male feminists? Was it frequented by feminists? Feminism has been fairly successful in keeping the topic away from the obvious fact that they hate PUA's in much the same way that PUAHate.com does.

                                The guy killed 5 men and 2 women, and feminism immediately called it an attack on women. If people kept talking about the topic, it might become obvious how self-involved and narcissistic feminism is that with 5 dead men (3 of them killed brutally with a knife or machete or something) and 2 dead women, the only ones feminism sees as human beings are the women.

                                When some people started to notice this, they masterfully changed the topic away from how feminism doesn't see men as people, to create a new topic about "Every woman suffers everyday harrassment" vs "Not all men are like that (Elliot Rodgers)". But further discussion might point out feminism's narcissism in that 5 men are brutually murdered - and all they want to talk about is themselves and how "hard" it is when a women gets catcalled.

                                So I'm not surprised their masterful manipulation has led to - a ban on men discussing a topic that men would like to discuss and feminists would prefer that we don't since they've lost control of the framing of the situation.

                                I totally understand the mods not wanting to deal with hundreds of threads. But feminism has effectively gotten even TheRedPill to self censor itself in not discussing topics that feminists don't want discussed further.

                                [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                It's as simple as us not wanting repeat threads all the time. We had about 30 threads within a 24 hour period it was getting ridiculous. Allowing the sub to get taken over by Elliot Rodgers hysteria is not in the M.O.

                                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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                                How many people did that nutso woman shoot in DC? 13... Why is that not used as an attack on feminists... Oh right /r/pussypass.

                                PS: I'm glad you are gonna ban this shit. We dont need to harp on it till the end of time. That's what feminists will feel the need to do.

                                [–]angelpuff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                                Cus the youtube vids he did. The girl didn't do vids

                                [–]Armenianboy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                                Holy crap the words you used their blew my mind, I thought I was good at english lol

                                [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                Learn to communicate well. Invest in this skill. Its part of being commanding as a man.

                                English is my 3rd language. Part of the reason I'm on reddit is I want to write well. I'm also taking lessons, but I think the practice helps.

                                [–]Cross_of_Coronado -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

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                                This is a FEAST for feminists all over the world. They had NOTHING against us for so long. This is like a golden sparkling Donut for them, that they're trying to use against us.

                                We'll need 500 angry women cuting their partners penises off for no good reason, before we can even that out.

                                I hope the King of fucksters burns in hell, if only for hurting the MRA-Movement like that.

                                [–]VuVuLoster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                                These feminist bloggers are using the tombstones of Roger's victims as their soapbox. It's disgusting.

                                [–]theozoph 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                I hope the King of fucksters burns in hell, if only for hurting the MRA-Movement like that.

                                The MRM is only hurt if it buys into the feminist frame. Their choice.

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                                Oh man no way at all. They're just intellectually dishonest weasels that try to tie him in with us because that's what they do. They don't have anything except hate so they smear us any chance they get.

                                Par for course. Not a sparkling donut. Just another day at the office.

                                Don't worry too much -- most normal people associate feminism with disease. Though more of the flu rather than full blown AIDS, lol. Their mistake.

                                All that they really have is that he favorited PUA artists on youtube (Which makes sense, considering he was desperate for a woman) and joined a betasquad forum PUAhate. Hell, the most TRP forum that he posted on (that we know of) was bodybuilding.com and they all thought he was a whackjob. The feminists won't mention that however.

                                [–]selfsufficientnigga -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                                Thank you.

                                [–]BluepillProfessor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                                Kudos to the mods. Very awesome move limiting this discussion to where it belongs. Thanks guys!

                                [–]GBralta -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                                Though I do not post here often, I have subbed and lurked this board for a long time. I've always appricated the way it has been modded. Kudos to the mods dealing with this utter shitstorm. The way people are so quick to link this guy to guys like us simply because of a few sentences is ridiculous.

                                I just visited The Blue Pill for the first time. The first 3 or 4 threads are a blame-TRP-fest and denial-fest. The hammstering is working that wheel so hard, it may throw a bearing.

                                [–]valesauce -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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                                He had autism or something similar, the polar opposite a sociopath (dark triad). He's just an example how just how bad things are getting.

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                                Diagnosed as aspie but I think he had narcissism or something too. Whatever he was he was beyond entitled and probably one of the most worthless people I've ever heard about, which is pretty impressive.

                                [–]allofyouare -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                                Amen.