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[–]faded_jester 66 points67 points  (3 children)

I was just thinking about this two days ago. How whenever I catch a girl saying/doing something awful and call them on it their first response is generally "who are you to judge me?". Well bitch I am me to judge you and guess what...jury found you guilty of being terrible and the verdict is see ya.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Haha, that's way too catty to actually say but still hilarious.

[–]kernelkob 2 points3 points  (1 child)

An ex of my friend recently got a tattoo which reads "Only God can judge me." Along with the fact she has 2 children with 2 different fathers whom she is currently seeing neither of, at the age of 23. Makes me chuckle, plus the fact the person who she is dating now is the biggest beta bux I've ever seen.

[–]neveragoodtime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Does she think God is going to give her a better verdict? He's already judged and sentenced her...to her shitty life.

[–]HardPillToSwallow 213 points214 points  (86 children)

My god, I feel like an apostle at the altar of truth everytime I come to this sub.

This behaviour applies to men and women by the way but good examples.

[–]RojoEscarlata 54 points55 points  (81 children)

Definitely, but being honest how often (if any) have you heard a man utter "don't judge me"?

At least from my POV that kind of phrases sound too weak and whinny. Is like saying "I'm weak"

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 21 points22 points  (14 children)

There are a lot of weak and whiny men, haha. I've heard men say it before.

[–]AEther_Flux 7 points8 points  (13 children)

Hell, I used to be, until I took the pill.

[–]Noellani 1 point2 points  (12 children)

"Past behavior is the best indicator to future behaviors"

Would that also apply to you? You used to be, therefore I should judge you by what you used to do right?

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Sure, the man's likely to have bad relapses. But men are on average ready to absolutely bust ass to bring about the lasting changes in themselves that they believe in.

Women would rather get indignant demanding the world "stop judging".

[–]Noellani -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Some men will bust ass and some women will complain but not all.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 11 points12 points  (2 children)

No, men on average bust ass, and women on average complain.

Fixed that up for you.

[–]Dream4eva 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To extrapolate VERY briefly on this.

Women have inherent value (baby making machines).

Men must create their own value.

[–]Traz_Onmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women on average internalise issues while men on average tend to express frustration. This gender difference is well known in psychotherapy. This is also part of the reason why boys have more problems in school.

[–]martypete 0 points1 point  (1 child)

NAWALT alert. Stop concern trolling.

[–]Ojisan1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OP said it is the best indicator, not a perfect, guaranteed predictor.

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not when you WANT that change. If you start off in the low end, work hard for the higher end, and get to where you strive to be. Haven't you then changed for the better?

[–]Noellani 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So judge people but not if they better themselves, right?

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this is sarcastic, but yeah, I'd agree with that statement.

[–]YaBoiTibzz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's part of the modern double standard in how the genders are treated. It's acceptable to judge men for their errors in judgement or deviant behavior--but it's not acceptable to do the same to women. If you do, you're labeled misogynist.

[–]RejectionEquality 11 points12 points  (43 children)

I called some dirtbag's dirtbag boyfriend a dick recently. Because ... get this ... he was being a dick.

His response after she told him was of course to get all shocked and offended and ask me, "why did you judge me?"

My response? "I use judgement. That's all there is to it, really."

They were both baffled.

Matthew 7:1-2 needs to die.

[–]weirdnamedindian 19 points20 points  (7 children)

All Matthew 7:1-2 is saying is - Don't judge someone unless you wish to be judged yourself. So judge all you want but note that you too will be judged.

Also, its about making hasty and unfair judgements by people and is an attack against hypocrites who criticise others while ignoring their own faults!

If anything, the misinterpretations of Mathew 7: 1-2 needs to die

[–]drrtyfrrnr 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Doesn't it mean that you'll be judged by God?

[–]Endless_Summer 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Well see, there's the rub. The Bible is all about interpretation

[–]Drunken_dog -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This isn't open to interpretation though, its pretty clear cut.

[–]lifeinred 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Until it doesn't fit with what someone wants to hear, then it's metaphorical. Or written for a specific people. Etc.

[–]weirdnamedindian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough, this was the main reason why the Catholic Church was against popular readings of the Bible! The Church Fathers all agreed the book could be badly misinterpreted by the masses and it was confusing even for them - heck, even the Jewish elders held the same opinion and there are a 1001 different interpretations of the same verse in the Talmud!

[–]TRiPdonGame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best interpretation I've heard speaks to the difference between discernment and judgment. That is to say, we have the right and duty to call a sin a sin, or to call a spade a spade, but this is not judgment. Such is Godly discernment, separating truth from falsehood.

When we use our discernment to mete out punishments, we have then cast judgment at others. When we curse another or inflict punishment, we have called for a sentencing, which would open us up to the same sentence for the same crime.

"Those who live in glass houses ought not throw stones."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have ZERO fucking qualms about being judged by the standards I have for others because I hold myself to a higher standard.

[–]SenorPuff 13 points14 points  (34 children)

As a fairly religious person, I'm appalled at how people use this passage without understanding it. It makes me lose respect for them instantly.

[–]HardPillToSwallow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"I judge you to be a disgusting slut"

"Omg mathew 1-2, dont judge"

"I dont think you know what that means."

[–]lordmolotov 2 points3 points  (31 children)

I'm not a religious person, can you explain the proper interpretation of that passage? (serious!)

[–]SenorPuff 8 points9 points  (30 children)

"Don't jump to conclusions" and "if you're going to get preachy, hold all people, including yourself, to the same standard" are the main takeaways. It's meant to challenge our personal assumptions to the same standard we apply to others before we react to a situation.

In that regard, it's actually a Red Pill philosophy: do not be ruled by your emotions and fleeting assumptions, but rather measure people and yourself by what is true and logical.

Next, the word 'judge' is the same word in Greek as a literal magistrate ruling on a legal case. So his literal words, addressing a crowd of commoners "do not exact 'exact justice' in your social dealings, lest others will do so to you" or, in modern terms, don't be SJW. And further "for by the same lopsided, self serving measure you accuse others, so they will to you" just reinforces that point.

Jesus makes a point a lot in the gospels about doing your thing, whatever it is, not gossiping or getting caught up in ridiculous shenanigans that people will try to drag you down with, and this is yet another example. Keep your wits about you and your eye on the prize and you will meet your goal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (28 children)

I've seen little talk of religion here, and always been curious. If you're not a natural, if the redpill for you is the realization that most people have been misled and avoid facing the ugly truth about inter-(and even intra)-sexual relations due to a massive societal misunderstanding of the fundamental nature of man, encompassing countless generations, does this not make you question the other major beliefs imparted to you in your naive childhood? Does it not seem obvious that it's a mistake to trust the words and ideas of others, especially those of great age and little application to modern life? Isn't it clear from from a redpill perspective that people, male and female, are constantly lying to themselves and others in an attempt to avoid negative thoughts and feelings?

[–]SenorPuff 5 points6 points  (9 children)

If you're not a natural

My Christian upbringing prepared me better than society about the true value of gender roles. Sexual dimorphism was not only acknowledged but celebrated. As a young boy I was expected to become a man, to lead my life, create my career, and eventually to lead a family. Proverbs, and the story of Samson taught me that fickle women will try to use sex to delude you into serving them instead of leading them.

massive societal misunderstanding of the fundamental nature of man

True, society largely denies it, but I would counter that we are A) Not a Christian society, but rather a melting pot of watered down semi-Christian ideals mixed with largely hedonism, and B) Christianity largely has the nature of man, and women, in regards to gender relationships(the whole point of TRP) correct, although it's(and TRP's) opinions are unpopular.

encompassing countless generations

I would nail it down to about 3-5, the last 50 years have been the worst, but the feminism/women's rights/suffrage movements had their birthing pangs about 150 years ago.

does this not make you question the other major beliefs imparted to you in your naive childhood?

No, this alone does not, because I was taught to question my faith myself. Testing my beliefs against reality and logic, having a defense for my faith, is what is called for in the bible.

Does it not seem obvious that it's a mistake to trust the words and ideas of others, especially those of great age and little application to modern life?

This is not only a leading and incredibly biased question, it's also very naive. You distrust every idea that is not your own creation? Then why read TRP in the first place? It's other people's ideas, is it not? The age of a text does not negate it's truth. Humans, controlled for societal differences, act very similar as they did in biblical times. They are still petty. They are still shortsighted. They still gossip and worry over trivial things. They are still sexually promiscuous.

Isn't it clear from from a redpill perspective that people, male and female, are constantly lying to themselves and others in an attempt to avoid negative thoughts and feelings?

Point being? I too believe that people delude themselves.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Well I wrote a long response and then accidentally hit the back button on the side of my mouse... Don't really feel like retyping. The gist:

I say your Samson example is cherry picking, there's a great many examples of the Bible telling men to do insane things in regard to women.

Did you really just say that christianity is unpopular? Let's be serious.. It provides a decent relationship outline, but also says it's chill to fuck slaves (and have slaves.....).

I'm not talking about the US push for equality, countless generations refers to how long women have been attempting to subvert power through men while leading men to believe they love unconditionally... That's as old as Judaism at least.

As for defending your faith, it always comes back to the bible when I have these conversations; what basis do you have for thinking the bible is anything but an inconsistent collection of myths edited for their purposes by 1500 years of corrupt catholic papacy?

That question was intentionally leading, because of how naively your comment I was responding to reads.. Clearly I should have said 'without proof' since you decided to take it absurdly, as if I were saying nothing is trustworthy. Assertions need verifiable, repeatable proof to be worth anything.

Point being, willing self delusion is as old as thinking man, older than religion, and is what makes religion work.

[–]SenorPuff 0 points1 point  (7 children)

there's a great many examples

Alright, then it shouldn't be very difficult for you to bring up a few that we can discuss. To which are you referring?

christianity is unpopular?

In the same regard as TRP for promoting gender specific roles, it certainly is.

what basis do you have for thinking the bible is anything but an inconsistent collection of myths edited for their purposes by 1500 years of corrupt catholic papacy?

Personally, I've studied the original Greek manuscripts most translations of the bible are based on(not in an official capacity), and I always defer to the Greek rather than assuming that an English translation should be taken literally. It's important to note that the Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the best evidence that the New Testament has been largely kept intact, and any reputable publisher uses these and other original texts that have been accurately dated back as far as the 2nd century. So I can fairly confidently say that the text can be found in an unedited fashion as far as we can discern.

The Old Testament has been credited with accuracy for at least as long.

Assertions need verifiable, repeatable proof to be worth anything.

Most modern scientific hypotheses were formulated before proof could be attained, that doesn't negate their worth. The mark of a valid assertion is it's logic, not necessarily it's available proof.

But that said, there is a very large body of evidence on gender roles that TRP and the Bible share that supports their claims about the danger of feminism, the innate selfishness of women, the necessity of male leadership in relationships and to secure the familial unit to raise competent offspring, and the list continues. You're going to have to try to disprove several of these theories accepted in this sub to disprove that the Biblical model works, because they are harmonious.

[–]mrninja1097 0 points1 point  (13 children)

This is correct in your line of reasoning, but only in your line of reasoning. You're making the assumption that religion must always (not that it can't be) a human ward against negative emotions, a sense of hopelessness and even deeper questioning of a truly inexplicable world. I find fulfillment in religion not just because of my personal belief, but because of the principles my religion offers me.

I am not stating that every man should be religious and that religion, in this case, Christianity, is the only means of finding peace and fulfillment. However, every man, especially every man, especially the Red Pill Man, should follow a set of principles that they choose.

This leads to my last point, even principles taught at a young age will later be questioned, if not more than anything, the concept of religion and God(s). Every day, schools present multiple different opinions when teaching physics and biology. Not only that, I find that an idle mind tends to question that which it is most rooted in. The same way people convert to the Red Pill, they can also change their mind on religion, barring the possibility they've been literally programmed to listen blindly which is usually not the case.

Finally, I'll state that most religions embrace the nature of man and life itself, more brutally than the secular world does. However, the divergence occurs in that religion offers an alternative.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children)

Maybe you could explain this apparent line of reasoning? I merely asked whether revelations about the infallibility of men, their intentions, and their desires/convictions poke holes in beliefs that stem directly from nothing but ancestral 'knowledge'.

You're making the assumption that religion must always (not that it can't be) a human ward against negative emotions

No, I am not. I stated that people, as a general term, consistently practice self deception in order to avoid negative feeling. I implied that this applies to religion, nowhere did I say it is integral to belief in a deity.

I find fulfillment in religion not just because of my personal belief, but because of the principles my religion offers me... every man... should follow a set of principles that they choose.

So individual morality is important to you.. In what way does this have to do with the validity of religion? Are you saying that because Christian morals make you feel good you believe in Jesus' divinity? That's correlative, not causative. Are you saying that radical muslims whose individual moral codes demand suicide bombing are not wrong? Having a set of principles or morals means absolutely nothing unless they can be proven to be beneficial to, as Sam Harris would put it, the well being of conscious creatures.

This leads to my last point, even principles taught at a young age will later be questioned, if not more than anything, the concept of religion and God(s). Every day, schools present multiple different opinions when teaching physics and biology. Not only that, I find that an idle mind tends to question that which it is most rooted in. The same way people convert to the Red Pill, they can also change their mind on religion, barring the possibility they've been literally programmed to listen blindly which is usually not the case.

This paragraph reads as nonsensical gibberish to me. The first sentence is a run on and I can't be sure I'm reading your meaning correctly, I'm assuming it's essentially the same thought as the 3rd sentence so I'll leave that for now. The second has nothing to do with the topic at hand because the fields of physics and biology are only concerned with opinions that have not been disproved, and more importantly have a sound empirical basis. The third is your opinion, and mine is that history starkly contrasts your view here. The fourth is generally true, although I would argue that religion doesn't program its followers to listen to its doctrine blindly, but rather to not listen to anything that doesn't align with the doctrine. Example of this are litter the news these days. The obvious analogy is the anger of white knights when one attempts to preach TRP to them.

Finally, I'll state that most religions embrace the nature of man and life itself, more brutally than the secular world does. However, the divergence occurs in that religion offers an alternative.

Lolwut? How can that possibly make sense in your head? Religious and secular views are fundamentally incompatible in regard to the nature of man and life itself, how could religion possibly be facing it better? If you're going to make assertions like this you need to back them up, or you don't look much different from televangelists. Your last sentence is very vague and ambiguously directed, but I see a whole spectrum of divergence and the only alternative I see religion offering is one purely of thought, ephemeral and meaningless.

In summary, you've barely made an argument here, and your only reasoning is that you enjoy Christian morals and people should have morals. I agree that a moral compass is important, however I strongly disagree with the one espoused by the average theist. Nothing about this post addresses why one should have any more faith in the Bible than in the portrayal of romance in Disney; I honestly never really expected more than a nebulous response, but come on, at least try to answer the question if you're going to reply to something not directed at you.

[–]mrninja1097 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Disregarding the treacherous framework you posed in your original question, I'll answer this rebuttal and answer your prior question.

By ascribing black and white senses of morality to your first rebuttal you've already lost the essence of the question and exposed the flaws of Sam Harris's statement. In response to my beliefs being correlative, of course they aren't. I believe in Jesus' divinity because I choose to believe it. I have faith that God is real and that the moral epithets the Bible outlines will not harm me but help me. A radical muslims belief that jihad is suicide bombing has decided for himself with conviction that what he is doing is right. By others beliefs he is wrong. The well being of conscious creatures is just subjective. Unless Sam Smith provided a means to define the well being of conscious creatures, his statement is founded upon the individual moral beliefs of those who read it. Nothing can be proven beneficial.

I recognize the validity of religion because religion, more specifically, a deity of somesort is the essence of all morality. Sartre stated that Christian Existentialists recognized God's will as the source of human morals, he believed that for any morals to be 'right', their essence would have to predate the formation of human intelligence. The idea of an individual is only applied after the human being is in existence, that is why an individuals personality is only formed after they are born, humans are a product of their environments.

On my run on sentence: Principles and doctrines taught at a young age are usually questioned later on in life. Religion is no different. History starkly contrasts this view if you interpret questioning as changing your mind. Didn't mean that at all. I used Physics and Biology as opinions most people in the Western World are taught that contests religious doctrine. Moreover, these are taught at an impressionable age, rendering the individual still capable of changing their mind.

Newsflash, if I program you with the instructions that you aren't allowed to listen to any doctrine that doesn't align itself with Christianity, the only things you would listen to would be doctrines that are just a variant of the same teaching with the only divergence being the name. If I change my name to Carl, my essence is still founded in the name *********. What you presented as an analogy is just an example.

Religion embraces mans nature by recognizing human nature. Christianity recognizes that man enjoys having sex. Secular views agree that man enjoys having sex. The only difference between the two is that secularity proposes that sex is fine and Christianity places conditions upon it.

In conclusion, the basis of your response is that individual morality is nothing unless it is for the well being of conscious creatures. Individual morality is in fact individual morality, you can't decide right and wrong, only your right and wrong. To recognize a single right and wrong is to also recognize that the essence of right and wrong existed before man making a deity the only plausible explanation. Individuals tend to follow what they believe favors them but that's the only reasoning to justify it, their own power to choose what they feel is the better.

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    [–]DavidsonFreeman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    He wrote a great explanation for how the two are compatible. You should read it before attacking his belief system.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The bible has some remarkably RedPill ideas within it. I'm not religious, but I can see how religion allowed successful societies to form.

    [–]northsidefugitive 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    I use it sarcastically as a "fuck you I don't give a shit"

    [–]In_Liberty 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    You can say the word fuck, nobody gives a shit.

    [–]northsidefugitive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Stupid tablet auto correcting mah words

    [–]wurding 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    dickheads who have tattoos saying "only god can judge me" or something like that

    [–]kernelkob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ha, an ex of my friend just got that tattoo. She's 23, has 2 kids with 2 different fathers (whilst being heavily religious), and to top it off she is currently dating the biggest beta I've ever seen.

    [–]throvvvvavvvvay 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I say it but I have a good sense of humor and I can pull it off. It's almost a wild card for certain shit tests because you don't have to think of a come back. It's a canned answer that just works as long as you're not taking yourself seriously.

    Example:

    "Ew, you asked out a 21 year old? What are you some kind of predator?"

    "Don't judge me. We all deserve to enjoy life sometimes. Even a 21 year old." ...change subject...

    [–]theVet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    How old are you for people to get that riled up? I'm 26 and regularly date 18 y/o's.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've heard it said like this but of course it doesn't apply here.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Only God can judge me, so I'm gone

    Either love me, or leave me alone

    Public Service Announcement, Jay-Z

    [–]TurgidMeatWand 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I take it you haven't noticed all those"only god can judge me tattoos" that guys are getting.

    [–]dhump 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Only God can judge you, but I'm still gonna try my damnedest to.

    [–]imaginarymonster -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

    I know someone who got one.-.- and neither him or the tattoo artist thought to capitalize god so it doesn't even refer to the christian god he believes in..... I am disappoint..

    [–]webdevtool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I followed a WHOOSHed pedophilia joke with it once. Outside of a paraquat solution situation like that, never.

    Don't you fucken judge ME. :|

    [–]RedPillington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    only in jest. or at least if you ask them what exactly the fuck they're talking about they know the jig is up.

    [–]neveragoodtime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You don't ask when you've done something worthy of praise. Essentially it means, I fucked up, I know I fucked up and everyone is disappointed in me, but it don't want to hear it from you.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I say it all the time...

    In an ironic sense when I know that I'm doing something that is going to get me judged to be a shifty human.

    [–]HardPillToSwallow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh absolutely. Its more common for the hamster led masses, but I've heard men say this on occasion.

    [–]smokingmonkey420 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Right. It's like everyone hear is having an epiphany and always have absolutely outstanding points to share.

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      [–]HardPillToSwallow -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      I like the name HardPill. Its got a ring to it.

      [–]carnal_crusade 29 points30 points  (1 child)

      It's a victim mentality. It's the difference between "I don't get what I want because of my actions" and "I don't get what I want because of someone else's actions."

      It's easier to blame our problems on someone else than it is ourselves. Confronting ourselves leads to personal improvement. Guess which of the women used as an example owns her actions?

      [–]ben_panced 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Confronting ourselves leads to personal improvement

      Sadly a lot of men cower from this as well

      [–]1rife_omeqa 27 points28 points  (2 children)

      Quality Post.

      She wants to use words to procure the results that actions have obtained for others.

      Exactly this. Usually uttered by people who invalidate the achievements of others in order comparatively lessen their own failings.

      [–]1Zanford 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      BAM. That quoted line was my fav I've read here in a while.

      [–]1mcdehuevo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Modern feminism summed up in one compact sentence.

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        [–]the_number_2 30 points31 points  (15 children)

        "curvy".

        I could rant for days over that stupid little word thanks to dating websites. I think I've seen about 10 VASTLY different women using that as a description, from fatties to well-endowed athletics.

        [–]john-b 22 points23 points  (9 children)

        I remember a long time ago meeting a hambeast and watching Avatar with her in her room. I was commenting at how the stupid alien females were designed specifically to be the most sexually appealing ever, even having cat-like noses to add exploding femininity. That's when the hambeast says that they are actually gross & not perfection, and says the perfect body type is "curvy", then she shows me a pic on her phone as an example.

        Yeah...No.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        No surprise, hambeast hamsters are well-fed. They can spin that wheel harder than most.

        [–]theVet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        It's the extra mass in the momentum. Simple physics.

        [–]Kubomi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think it makes perfect sense that the aliens were sexualized, they were a sexually dimorphic species after all! Plus sex sells of course, you don't spend hundreds of millions on a film and not throw in a few gimmicks to boost sales and get a better return on your investment.

        [–]YourKarmaMeansNothin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Fuckin... I said to my friends before I liked curvy women, not stick thin women. Half my friends agreed, the other half thought we liked fat chicks for about half a year until one of em brought it up and we cleared it. U_U

        [–]rocafella1321 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Every time I'm checking out those sites if it's not a full body pic and curvy is in the description, I'll keep scrollin.

        [–]whats_the_deal22 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Anybody with six angles of her face and nothing under the chest is trying to hide something.

        [–]LupeKnoble 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If tinder has taught me anything...

        [–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        think about it from the dating sites perspective. If you were an owner of such a dating site and you saw the direction the general culture is going with more and more women getting fatter due to the fast food eating habits and the current atmosphere of political correctness and the media looking for any scrap they can get to turn into a story you would do the same.

        Besides this it makes business sense to appease your users. If they see they are welcomed to use the site and PAY to use it who are you to not give them a stupid drop down option in return for money?

        [–]xtr3m 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        There must be a browser plugin that automatically replaces 'curvy' with 'fat.'

        [–]jakeinator21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I love the new iphone, it's so sleak and fat!

        [–]10pack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wow, I LOL'ed. This is needed for people that surf personals.

        [–]lonGterMgoalS 31 points32 points  (13 children)

        You know what's the best response to someone who says "Don't judge me"?

        My go to response is "get over yourself."

        [–]cali_gunner 39 points40 points  (6 children)

        I prefer the subtle dark triad "I already have."

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          [–]cali_gunner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          That's a bit too Fred Astaire for my applications. But game is personal, you do what works.

          [–]DavidsonFreeman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Take a long drag from your cigarette then flick it before your sequence. Maybe a crack of lightning and thunder before the heel turn.

          [–]SenorPuff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I'd add a smirk. Everything is better with that subtle "Everything you do is playing right into my hands" smile.

          [–]patchythepirate2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          This is what I think is the best response to don't judge me

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOSdRMSG_k

          [–]throvvvvavvvvay 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Maybe it sounds better when you do it, but to me that sounds about as good a comeback as "Get a life!"

          (If there is any confusion that is not a good one)

          [–]lonGterMgoalS 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If you don't like "get over yourself" then "shut the fuck up" and/or "go fuck yourself" works too.

          I do have a heavy Brooklyn accent so maybe it works when I say it.

          [–]throvvvvavvvvay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ok, I see now. Yeah, the accent/dialect makes a big difference.

          [–]Numeromancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Put on a stern face, make a gavel-swinging motion and in a deep, loud voice declare "guilty!".

          [–]Mouthpiece 15 points16 points  (2 children)

          "Don't judge me."

          Why not? Are you afraid of me having an opinion or afraid that you'll agree with it?

          Why don't I have the right to judge? And how does it harm you if I do, unless you're already judging yourself?

          Anyone who says this has already been found wanting.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          Precisely it. You should welcome being judged. If you're at the top of your game people will judge you to be a winner.

          It's only losers who don't want to be judged. What judgement could you make against someone like Charlie Sheen that would affect him?

          [–]drimadethistocomment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          What if they said he wasn't drunk enough. I think he'd be plenty offended as he took his hookers out for more rounds

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 24 points25 points  (4 children)

          "Don't judge me."

          Cuz you're afraid of a strong, independent man with opinions. lol

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            [–]krakosia 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            she is strong and independent hence she doesn't want you to judge her and shatter the virtual palace in her mind that she is the queen of

            [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            "I judge whoever I want, and you're a whore"

            [–]Lt_Muffintoes 17 points18 points  (9 children)

            The next level is realising that if a woman (or people generally) feels you are not going to judge her, she will be much more open around you, and more likely to reveal negative traits (high partner count, cheat, hard drugs etc) which make her unsuitable for anything beyond a pump and dump.

            Being non-judgemental makes social relationships a lot easier, and you will feel less negative emotion, which improves your state of mind.

            Really, it should be, don't judge externally, but make sure your internal judge has a deathgrip on that gavel.

            [–]smokingmonkey420 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            10x this. TRP is about sexual strategy and becoming the best men we can be. I think this thread is giving the wrong impression -- that it's ok to openly judge others. That tactic is not going to get you very far.

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            You should judge others -- just not openly. Conceal your intentions, always.

            [–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Unless it's something good. It's ok to praise somebody for something worthwhile.

            [–]Brandwein 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            People that i insult and then use "don't judge me" are in general not people i want to fuck later.

            And hey, i want to live with awareness of my surrounding people, not blind to their traits.

            I don't like to ignore things to be happier.

            [–]Lt_Muffintoes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            At the end of the day, TRP is about making mens' lives as pleasant as possible in the long term in the most efficient manner.

            Yes, this "don't judge me" thing is total BS and you are perfectly free to lay down judgement whenever, on whomever your should please. That should be obvious to anyone, even the retards spouting it.

            But if you want to have productive relationships, then judging immediately and harshly can be detrimental to you, so it can be in your own interest to, at the very least, appear to be non-judgemental.

            Look, let's say you are interviewing candidates for a job. If some SJW hambeast lesbian native American walks in, immediately ripping into her for her degenerate brain rot may actually get you fired. If you are non-judgemental, the cetacean may even reveal good reasons for you not to hire it. Then you can easily achieve the outcome you want, without the negative consequences of being overtly judgemental.

            It's the difference between the "anger" and "acceptance" phases of TRP.

            [–]Brandwein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            And in my mind i can even judge people openly without insulting them in a mean way. Its all about the context. :)

            [–]icyhot39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            You are right... In a certain context. However this thread is focused on deprogramming men from the female imperative. Men need to know that judging is correct action and vital for their survival.

            [–]hamstercide 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Do you think this woman is likely to create a blog chastising people (let's be honest -- men) for judging her?

            Probably, judging her for being a whore.

            [–]monsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            What they're really saying is: "Don't judge me to be bad."

            [–]MrArtfulDodger 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Women who engage in shitty behaviour like being promiscuous, crude, bitchy, slovenly, unfeminine, etc. demand that you not judge them, because they want to be shitty people without the repercussions. They're looking for shortcuts.

            Women hate to be judged because it immediately puts them in a competition against other females. Low quality women love the idea of no competition by supporting feminism which tries to put all women on a even playing field. Instead of putting in the work to become more feminine/beautiful to the opposite sex they rather retain their shitty behavioral patterns and not be chastised for it. For example, the fat acceptance movement so they don't actually have to eat healthy and exercise while still being appreciated by men. In the back of their minds they know that competition means men will look past them if they are fat, ugly, etc. Good thing for them is that there will be beta males complimenting them no matter what they look like.

            [–]RedPill115 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I've seen this quoted here a lot: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you're not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

            If you really want to go down the rabbit hole of how social things work, ask yourself - who are feminists not allowed to criticize? And the answer is - "other women".

            It's the female sociopaths who seem to hold the most power socially - it's hard to criticize them as a man, and impossible to criticize them as a woman.

            [–]Val_M_Smith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Not quite true. Feminists revel in attacking any woman who, in their feverish thinking, breaches solidarity with feminism, in whole or even in part.

            Present day Feminists, like other Progressive movements, get this hypocritical notion (whether they realize it or not) from Herbert Marcuse, specifically his 1965 essay "Repressive Tolerance" (and how's that for a looking glass title?). What Marcuse did, in typically circuitous pseudo-reasoning, was put forth a moral case for double-standards and blatant intellectual hypocrisy, batter-dipped in stultifying and obfuscating language and deep-fried in the hot fat of Progressive outrage.

            Wiki --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse

            Quiki --> http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/02/the-new-lefts-doctrine-of-repressive-tolerance/

            [–]1redpillbanana 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's a pet peeve of mine when I hear, "Don't judge me!"

            It's just one more way that people (especially women) try to remove accountability from themselves.

            Imagine messing up at work and telling your boss, "Don't judge me!"

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              [–]triangleman83 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              To that I would say that more recent trends should be more indicative of future behavior than trends further in the past. Naturally if this hypothetical beta who took TRP has been successful, you would be judging him by his recent success and not his past beta self. Generally once someone improves themselves greatly and sees the product of that success, they will not slip lightly. Some would say a former fattie girl who is now has a 6 pack and bikini models is a possible future fattie, but I would disagree for the same reason. She has seen what her new body is bringing her and will work to maintain that. No matter your past, there's always a danger of slipping into complacency, where girls get fat and boys get beta, but I think someone who has experienced the downs of that in the past would work just a bit harder to hold it off.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Fair point. I'm tempted to go with the easy explanation that men are more likely to self-improve than women are. There's a lot of good biological and social reasons to believe that's true.

              Disregarding that, you have to consider that you really only have so much time on this planet. It's the most valuable thing as a man, particularly the precious years of youth. Why take the risk that you could be with the one truly reformed woman when in all likelihood she's rationalizing her reality to you so that you won't see her abysmal relationship value? Years that you could squander and end up in abject misery.

              It's just safer to err on the side of caution and avoid women with baggage. If your concern is that women will similarly judge you, I'd advocate straight up avoiding answering any such questions about your past. There's no benefit to you in doing so.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              [sarcasm]Oh okay, so I will turn off my social filter that I have learned to use to weed out the shitty people from the good people in my life. Yeah I'll just disregard that for your special little snowflake ass because clearly you can do no wrong.[/sarcasm]

              [–]RedPill115 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you're not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

              While they attempt to claim that they're being "victimized", when you're no longer allowed to criticize them often (though not always) it's actually that they've achieved a level of power above yours and they're exercising that power over you. When men who cheat in relationships are publicly criticized repeatedly, but when women do the same thing and they say "it's their private business and no one else's", that's just a sign of who holds the actual power.

              [–]2asd1100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Or is it more likely that it's this woman? [2] (slightly NSFW...possibly NSFL)

              trigger warning, please, some of us fucked things like that

              Well tough shit. We judge for a good reason. Human beings, chiefly men, developed the ability to recognize patterns and make accurate predictions. This is how we created civilizations and advanced society. Past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour.

              I like how you think.

              [–]1Zanford 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              "I'm not judging you, I'm just not dating you."

              "You PIG!"

              "Sounds like you're judging me."

              [–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              This is one of those phrases whose meaning breaks down the more you say it to yourself in your head.

              What it basically means is "Don't have a bad opinion about me".

              Even the word "judge" sounds fucking stupid after you say it to yourself a few times. Judge. Judge. Judge. Who are you to judge? You can't judge him!

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              One of my favorite parts about the comment section in TRP is all the creative names for fat chicks. Years of reading the term "curvy" requires deep cleansing with gems like "ham-beast."

              I swear I see new ones daily. Keep it up.

              [–]POTATO_IN_MY_MIND 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Who cares, ill judge whoever i like for any reason i like thanks, no one can tell me i must think a certain way, if i want to judge you because you are a fat slob in my eyes then i will, no whining or complaining is going to change that.

              You have always lost if you are telling people to "not judge you" for something that is a result of your actions/behaviours/lifestyle/choices.

              You can judge me on anything and everything.

              [–]Immuchtooawesome[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I've never completely understood the thought process of someone saying "Don't judge me"

              I think they're going for the "No matter what I say, do, or present myself to be, you will never know my intentions in the background of all of this. Since you don't have insight as to what I am actually thinking in my mind, you can't really see if I am a good person or not. Therefore, you don't have the moral right to judge me."

              Like I GAFF about intentions? Like intentions matter? End of the day the only things that matter are results.

              "I already have" is a good one. Personally, I stick with "I do... and I will"

              Puts them on super defensive mode real quick. You'll see their best or they will walk away because they actually have to try.

              [–]redjimdit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The only time I've ever had women say "DON'T JUDGE ME" has been when I'm grocery shopping or at a restaurant and a F-A-T woman is buying nothing but ice cream and TV dinners, or at restaurants, where they have literally a mountain of chicken wings on their table, and all I can do is say out loud "Jesus Fucking Christ".

              [–]1rlh1271 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I judge people ALL the fucking time. If someone asks me why, or tells me I'm a dick for doing so, my response is always the same. We live in a world of finite time and resources. I judge to weed out possibly problematic people. Think of life like a job interview that you're conducting. It's why you probably wouldn't hire a homeless guy to run your company.

              [–]generalchainsaw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Some statements on this sub are appliable to life in general. Not just women.

              [–]YaBoiTibzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Reprehensible behavior should always be judged accordingly. The disapproval of peers, being ostracized for unacceptable behavior, this is society's disciplinary mechanism. The fact that many behaviors which would previously garner such a response are no longer "judged" (such as sleeping around with many guys, sleeping with guys on a first or second date, getting piss drunk and doing something stupid, etc.) by others is a step backwards in modern society.

              [–]dancingwithcats 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Just by saying 'Don't judge me' the person saying so has already rendered a judgement on them self.

              [–]jakeinator21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I judge people more for saying don't judge me than I do for being worthy of judgment.

              [–]jungleman4545 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Dude I hate this shit so much. Why should we accept everyone and everything? I have every right to say my opinion. Freedom of speech, remember? Of course, you have the right to dress the way you want, act like you want, and I have the right to judge you if I don't like what you're doing. If I think you're ugly, I can have that opinion and I have every right to not find attractive. You won't like me for it, but whatever. I don't have to be right to judge you, and you don't become right when you're being judged.

              I'm not gonna bully you, I'm not gonna hit you or hurt you, but I'm gonna have my own opinion, not the one that you want me to have.

              And you can say you don't care, but you do, otherwise you would not be yelling in my face screaming: 'ACCEPT MEEE ALREADY!'

              But then again, this is 2014 and we've come to a point where if you don't accept something(feminists, gays, immigrants, so called cultures) then you're the shittiest person ever. This is going to be our doom, just sayin'.

              [–]HalfysReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Reminds of this quote from the band KMFDM:

              "Stop saying 'don't quote me' because if no one quotes you, you probably haven't said a thing worth saying."

              [–]eiqht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is fucking right on. I've thought about this so much. It's like, I judge you for a reason and you know the exact thing people will judge you about. It's those types of people that start these marches around the cities talking about how people shouldn't judge others. It's not about anyone else except themselves.

              [–]BitingInsects 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is why I don't post in AskHamster or Relationships anymore. Think about the majority of users there giving you advice.

              Hint: It isn't the first girl.

              [–]Burner1701 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Since when is promiscuity shitty behaviour? No promiscuity no plates.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'd make that trade if we could get back the relationship dynamic of the 50's. Spinning plates is simply the best of the current available options.

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour.

              Which is why reputation is as important as it is. Guard it with your life. Women all know this naturally, because intrinsically, they are machiavellian.

              [–]whitey_male 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I don't judge them. I just don't want to have sex with them, and I think its time for a fat tax.

              [–]myschadenfreude -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              That is the same to me as: "I'm no racist, but...". Nope, you are. "Don't judge me." means you have dine something you yourself judge or else it'd never occur to you to say that.

              [–]some12talk2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              fake empathy

              "Don't judge me"

              "I understand why you would say that"

              [–]Bottled_Void 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I judged them both. Hot but shallow and SJW with a chip on her shoulder.

              [–]thatguylikeaaronhall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It's a moo-cow. But seriously, I agree 100%

              [–]SariaLystra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The premise of the "don't judge me" statement is that if you do judge, you claim to be put in a position of authority. From an egalitarian aspect, the premise would imply that a person who judges is egotistical because if all people are equal, then you can't judge because that position of authority would violate equality.

              Its actually a common political trap because someone will pull "who are you to judge?" and then you have to spend time proving you're not a pompous dick. But I think OP has it right: hold frame and say that you're entitled to your own judgments about people and that nobody else should control your thoughts.

              Or in this case, do as OP says. Well done.

              [–]whatdoesfunmean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I love this. I've been saying "too late" to this shit for as long as I can remember because it shuts them the fuck up

              [–]Meloman0001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              nothing wrong with promiscuity or being unfeminine.

              [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Just had this conversation with a friend today. He was droning on about how it's messed up that guys get girls and are players but girls get guys and are sluts. I told him both are sluts, but women just can't handle the criticism.

              [–]Dopamine37 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Human beings, chiefly men, developed the ability to recognize patterns and make accurate predictions.

              This is how we created stereotypes, we saw a cat like creature with huge claws and sabretooth and our built in pattern recognition predicted we would be converted into feline shit if we were in its reach thus the caveman running in the complete opposite direction.

              Stereotyping a person based on appearance or ethnic/socioeconomic group is unfair and vulgar in my opinion but it doesnt fucking stop me from doing it.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Precisely why generalizations are useful, and why you should ignore anyone who tells you not to make them.

              A pretty strong indicator of someone's intellect is the understanding that generalizations are useful tools, even if they don't apply 100% of the time. Unintelligent people have limited understanding of probabilistic thinking.

              [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "bears judgement" -> "warrants judgement".

              "Don't judge me"? "I already have" - this is a really awesome comeback. I really like it.

              Also, any body who does not judge is a fool. To not judge is tantamount to not using your brain. The part of judging that is bad is when people judged based on uneducated, self serving, egotistical caveman bullshit. But it's like Martin Luther King said - judge based on the content of their character, not on the color of their skin (superficial stuff). I would also say that it is even better to judge based upon actions because actions are the absolute truth. People can sell you lies all day long but their actions reveal the truth.

              Pretty much ALL the judgments made here on TRP are judgments of character which are proper and righteous.

              The truth is, women judge men all the time and it is pretty much all superficial shit or even worse - judging to seek out jerks attributes (ie dark triad).

              [–]burningdandelion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Human beings, chiefly men, developed the ability to recognize patterns and make accurate predictions. This is how we created civilizations and advanced society.

              Yes yes yes. Logic. I keep hammering this into people. Logic is what makes an different than a woman. It's probably the biggest factor.

              [–]soulmatter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Whenever I say "Don't judge me" it's with a smile because I know I'm slacking off and using it to ease away from the pressure. I mean it as a joke, and not to be used in an offending tone of voice.

              [–]snakelovermoraga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Purple pill here, I don't upvote on TRP very often. I did this time.