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[–]trpcounselor 120 points121 points  (1 child)

I would up-vote this 2x if I could. I hate clicking the link before I see the comments.

[–]djvita 14 points15 points  (0 children)

i always click to see the top commenta, if the article looks interesting due to discussion, i'll read the article/redditlog.

[–]Locastor 65 points66 points  (34 children)

I've mentioned this before, but is it possible to tweak the automod to allow self-links to the Pill?

It's really annoying to have to RedditLog our own threads just to cite a reference in posts.

I'd be willing to patch the source myself, gratis of course, if the Mod team wants.

[–]2lightfire409 13 points14 points  (3 children)

i'll second this. Its annoyed me before.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 11 points12 points  (2 children)

One possible workaround is using auto-linking within reddit.

Like so: /r/TheRedPill/comments/27dzrm/men_are_not_happy/

Just be careful not to break any rules using it. Link only within TRP.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Huh, I didn't even know that was possible. I've always known you could link to subreddits, but not threads that way. TIL.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't really used it much because it would effectively side-step rules you guys intended with automod.

But maybe it can at least give you guys another avenue of filtering while excluding TRP subs. Sort of like askreddit and company do with mentions of /r/TheRedPill.

[–]tallwheel 10 points11 points  (19 children)

Other subreddits already do this, so I know it is possible.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (18 children)

It's just programming. Of course it's possible.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 5 points6 points  (16 children)

The short answer is, no, it can't be done. Automod doesn't support regexes with lookarounds. After a lengthy conversation with the dev it was concluded that we couldn't find a way as the bot stands.

[–]Locastor 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Is he willing to disclose the source? As mentioned, I'm happy to tweak it as a service to the community.

[–]gadelat 5 points6 points  (11 children)

you don't need regex for this

[–]rpkarma 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Truly. It's a god damned if statement for christs sake...

[–]2 Mredpillschool 6 points7 points  (3 children)

You need to be able to blacklist all reddit urls, but not theredpill redditurls. You can't whitelist theredpill, because you also need to allow non-reddit urls. But you must blacklist a number of other urls.

If the syntax for the bot did complex evaluation statements, we could do it. But it can't. So your only option is regex, except it doesn't support any lookaround expressions.

Trust me when I say, with the current automod, it can't be done. Unless the reddit dev who created him has made more changes in the past two months that I'm unaware of, he's incapable of this particular set of rules.

Mind you, we don't run the automod daemon, so we can't just modify it. I'd use TRPBot, but we don't have dedicated hosting for him and he goes down more than he stays up.

[–]Locastor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

OK time for me to read about the Reddit API.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you figure it out, please let the mod team know.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You need to be able to blacklist all reddit urls, but not theredpill redditurls. You can't whitelist theredpill, because you also need to allow non-reddit urls. But you must blacklist a number of other urls.

If the syntax for the bot did complex evaluation statements, we could do it. But it can't. So your only option is regex, except it doesn't support any lookaround expressions.

Trust me when I say, with the current automod, it can't be done. Unless the reddit dev who created him has made more changes in the past two months that I'm unaware of, he's incapable of this particular set of rules.

Mind you, we don't run the automod daemon, so we can't just modify it. I'd use TRPBot, but we don't have dedicated hosting for him and he goes down more than he stays up.

[–]gadelat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

All programming languages have functions to compare if string contains substring and that is not regex.

array_of_allowed_urls = ('theredpill');

foreach ($aray_of_allowed_urls as $u)
 if (stringInStr($URL, $u))
  $block = FALSE;

[–]2 Mredpillschool 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If the syntax for the bot did complex evaluation statements, we could do it. But it can't. So your only option is regex, except it doesn't support any lookaround expressions.

Mind you, we don't run the automod daemon, so we can't just modify it.

In case you're wondering, the correct function to whitelist theredpill while blacklisting all of reddit is:

$regex = '/https?\:\/\/[^\" ]+/i';
preg_match_all($regex, $string, $matches);
foreach($matches as $url) {
if((stristr($url, 'reddit.com') & !stristr($url, '/r/theredpill')))
{
$failcheck = true;
} }

You can do all of this logic in a single regex with lookaround too (though I'm lazy to figure it out right now) but automod does not support lookarounds.

[–]anonymoustrper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd use TRPBot, but we don't have dedicated hosting for him and he goes down more than he stays up.

I've a linode box lying around, used for my blog. I'd be happy to give a ssh access or run the bot myself.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like Automod doesn't have advanced logic features.

It's almost like all it only works on is a blacklist. So applying a wildcard into the list which is what it seems like is being done simply ensures that everything is removed that is directly linked.

If it worked with both a blacklist and a whitelist then you could apply a wildcard on the blacklist then selectively whitelist other URLs/links (reddit.com/r/TheRedPill, archive.today, (Manosphere blogs here), etc...). It would basically end up with logic similar to 'I'm removing everything BUT links that match this criteria'...

[–]scallopkid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What other subs do this? Can we use their method?

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Send /u/redpillschool a message about it.

[–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This would be pretty useful; a lot of members have posts that have explained things so well, I'd rather just link to them then offering a new version of the same thing.

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    [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Automod removed this comment.

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      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Automod removed this comment.

      [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah I noticed that. It looks like you guys fixed it :(

      [–]NAFI_S -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      think we should scrap the the cross link rule entirely, its not like this sub is full of vote brigaders.

      [–]ibuprofiend 30 points31 points  (4 children)

      Another suggestion: when referencing feminazi trash, please copy/paste quotes or use some online archive service so we don't have to click on the link and give them pageviews.

      [–]BloodRoseTRP 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      We already have that in place.

      http://archive.today

      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It wouldn't be too hard to send a bot-generated message, with the bot scanning for blacklisted (or whitelisted) URLs to the poster.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      It does.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is my personally preferred method. Reddit log works for commentary on a thread elsewhere, but for off of reddit, http://archive.today is the way to go.

      [–]Overkillengine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Hot damn maybe this will keep the easy outrage link trolling down now that it actually takes effort.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I'm really glad you are making this change, too many of those feminist sites are getting traffic because people keep linking directly. You are giving them money people!

      [–]EeeeeeevilMan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      If you're going to do that, while you're at it, can you make a rule against the posts in every fucking thread that say something like, "Stop concerning yourself with this and go lift."

      Cause no matter how red pill relevant your content, no matter how perfectly you explain it, there's at least one of those concern trolls in every thread. Criticism of the content is fine, of course, and a whole other thing. But the sub would be pretty dead if we all listened to those idiots and didn't discuss anything.

      [–]SgtTRP 8 points9 points  (17 children)

      Thank you!

      Let's adopt a similar policy for the flairs.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 38 points39 points  (13 children)

      That reminds me, since we now have /r/TRPOffTopic I've removed the OffTopic flair since it's no longer applicable. I also removed the Ask TRP flair since we have a dedicated sub for that as well.

      For those of you wondering why we're making changes, it's to foster staying on mission. Our signal to noise ratio went up quite a bit due to our explosive growth this past year, so we're periodically exploring new options to help keep the quality up.

      [–]Johnny10toes 3 points4 points  (7 children)

      Flair on mobile is hard. I don't think at no flair no post policy is necessary but I do see where it is useful.

      [–]SgtTRP 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      I don't have a big issue with no flair posts.

      What's annoying is wrongly flaired posts. Like a BP example with a RP example flair. Or a random rant with FR flair.

      [–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      To be fair, several of those are hard to use properly with every story. Several have mixtures of examples which make rp or bp example not entirely fit.

      [–]UGoBoom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Or the abundance of Meta posts that aren't meta at all

      [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Ideally text posts should help the BPE/RPE confusion issue as it will be explained why it was chosen.

      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I actually never understood this. It's just changing the URL and applying a flair. This isn't hard, but lazyness.

      [–]Lt_Muffintoes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Could it not be that users who are new to Reddit simply aren't aware of the features? It's not exactly obvious if you're not familiar with it.

      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Maybe. I like to give people premature credit though, and it's not too hard to figure out how to access the non-mobile version.

      For anybody unaware: You need to delete ".compact" from the URL. If you're accessing it via i.reddit.com then also delete the "i.".

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The AskTRP flair is for general questions, and /r/asktrp is for specific questions related to your situation.

      [–]1independentmale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Thank you for your hard work and dedication to this sub. I don't think you guys hear it enough, so I'm taking this opportunity to tell you.

      [–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      This should be another official announcement, otherwise you'll get people saying "oh I didn't see that".

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It'll be in the sidebar soon.

      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I really appreciate this. My impression is that there has been a rise in both traffic and value of comments in /r/asktrp, but that it could still use some more.

      I'd like to encourage endorsed contributors to visit this sub more frequently and contribute there.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Well since mods usually read a lot of the sub... perhaps they could flair things for mobile users who find it difficult or impossible to add flairs to their own posts.

      Ideally people would be posting their stuff from their computers or laptops where they could add the flairs themselves.

      PS: It would be nice if automod could give people a small grace period when posting say 5 minutes before sending a mail to someone about a missing flair. Some of us actually do put flairs on almost instantly and still get a message from Automod.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I flair a good number of posts every day, but there's only so much we can do.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yeah it's not a failing on the part of the mods... it's a failing on the part of mobile apps that do not allow setting of flairs. I expect most people posting from phones would actually set a flair if it were as easy as setting one on a computer.

      [–]jseliger 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      This is a mistake. A lot of us don't comment much on Reddit because the form encourages short, vapid commentary over depth.

      Furthermore, new threads lacking a commentary on how the content is TRP relevant will be removed without warning.

      People with decent reading comprehension skills should be able to figure this out for themselves without having it spoon fed.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      A lot of us don't comment much on Reddit because the form encourages short, vapid commentary[1] over depth.

      And look, now we've put a rule in that discourages short, vapid commentary.

      [–]rapreaper -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      People with decent reading comprehension skills should be able to ...

      The point of this I believe is not spoon feeding but: 1) whether the poster actually put some effort into the post or not, 2) what direction does the poster want the discussion to take and 3) Whether it is even relevant to red pill or relevant enough.

      [–]RedPill115 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      From this point forward, no more direct links will be permitted. You MUST do a self-post.

      So I'm a little confused about what this means. You can't link to anything at all? This is saying you have to copy the entire text of the article into the post and don't link to it?

      [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Also wondering this, seems either ambiguous or needlessly far-reaching.

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        [–]rapreaper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I suggest spamming them with a few eh... links and then suggesting to them (when they get annoyed) that you will add some explanatory text and that they should do the same.

        [–]noteventrying 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        But how can I promote my unoriginal blog spam?!?! /s

        [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Thank you, finally! Reporting all the shitposts has paid off. Keep on the good work, mod team!

        [–]2RedPillSafe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Good rule.

        I prefer seeing the comment first then deciding if I want to go to the link.

        [–]Johnny10toes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Great! I like the breakdowns people had with each post. Makes it easier to find the relevant information.

        [–]WillClickOnAnything 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Good move, thanks.

        [–]Idle_Redditing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This new posting rule needs to be added to the posting page. The part where the context of a link needs to be explained.

        The same goes for all of the other posting rules. Are there more than what's written down in the "Submit a new text post" page?

        [–]HoneyVortex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm not even sure what content to post to theRedPill. I was thinking about posting this with the comment about what the kid's handle was but felt it might be a little inappropriate.