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[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 62 points63 points  (8 children)

One of the new trends I've spotted goes on the lines of "Tell me why I should value TRP". Fuck that noise. You either see the value TRP can provide, or you don't and you go back to your ineffectual strategy. It's not on us to tell you what you should value.

Tempted to report those ones too, but part of me is holding out on the idea that they'll deprogram themselves given enough time.

[–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 49 points50 points  (4 children)

"Tell me why I should value TRP".

Instaban. It ends up being some purple pill argument. People shouldn't come here to see "the validity of TRP" or some other pedantic academic shit, they come here for sexual strategy and they come to help get their lives in shape. If you want one of these anal arguments then there are a few subs for that, go and fucking use them because that isn't our specialty here. Our specialty is making men out of boys where everybody else is a dramatic fucking failure. We also attempt to rehabilitate the occasional old dog from "total bitch" to "on top of his shit."

If TRP works for you then it speaks for itself. If it doesn't then off you go. I honestly couldn't give a fuck about people on the fence. These are the people with the ego to say "convince me." No. Convince yourself. Try it for yourself. If you like it great, if not, fuckoff. It's simple. I gain nothing from trying to qualify to your indecision and ego. Neither does anybody else. We have no incentive to do the leg work for the lazy. I see these posts and I think "attention seeker." These posts are not necessary and only detract from the sub. I have ZERO tolerance for them.

Sitting around and bickering over what's good and bad about TRP doesn't help anyone, it's all intellectual ego stroking for why you should take action but haven't, or why you shouldn't take action and haven't. People who are getting shit done or really serious about their lives don't waste time on these pedantic ineffectual conversations. They're reading shit to help them or they're out there getting it done.

[–]confuseacatlmtd 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I respect where you are coming from, but one of my first posts here was asking if you guys still respected woman after knowing what drove them. That post convinced me to stay, as I saw that the site wasn't about bashing woman or hating them, but about learning how to live in the real world and appreciating woman for what they can give as opposed to what you thought and were told they should give.

I grew up in a house full of 5 woman and no man. My mom is fucking crazy. Some people can not just unplug. They need to see the spoon bend first before they realize they can just stop the bullets.

So please, kick the dumbasses out, but don't punish people who are afraid of the truth and need a little more convincing. Your philosophy is the opposite of everything most of us have ever been taught. It takes a good deal of bravery just to look into it.

[–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well now your post in is here, and people can go search the subreddit and read it for themselves. Much better than everyone asking the same questions over and over.

[–]Ronin11A 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I take a page from Jim Wendler: "I really want to help people, but if they won't take my advice there's nothing I can do. That's fine by me. I don't fight the battles. I just don't fucking care."

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One of the new trends I've spotted goes on the lines of "Tell me why I should value TRP". Fuck that noise. You either see the value TRP can provide, or you don't and you go back to your ineffectual strategy. It's not on us to tell you what you should value.

Just so.

You can't convince someone of Red Pill's truth through reasoned argumentation. That's why Red Pillers don't go out looking for disciples and converts.

The Red Pill can only be washed down with a glass of shame, loss, failure, or embarrassment.

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    [–]theozoph 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It is almost the last free speech reduct in big internet.

    You don't know how right you are.

    [–]MCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 111 points112 points  (19 children)

    MachRed has my full support on this one.

    If you make a post, you are talking to 75K people. How carefully would you prepare if you were giving a speech to a football stadium full of dudes?

    Would you make sure you knew what you were talking about?

    Would you make sure you had something to say?

    Our job as mods is to keep the stage clean of guys who are just talking because they want attention, so everyone can hear the people with something to say. TRP is not a democracy. Everyone does not get equal time. You want attention? Prove you deserve it by saying something insightful and useful.

    If you need to learn to do that first, then read some of the elder voices here: /u/GayLubeOil, /u/Whisper, /u/TRPsubmitter, /u/HumanSockPuppet, /u/IllimitableMan, and so on.

    Pay attention not just to what they say, but how they say things. No one is interested in banal bullshit, or in the latest movie you saw that had a few red pill examples in it. We all watch movies, too. We can see that shit for ourselves.

    Comments are for asking questions and talking like it's just you and me.

    Posts are for when you have something to say and we all need to hear it.

    [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 31 points32 points  (7 children)

    100% agree with what CHI is saying here.

    To build on his list, here are some other ECs worth looking at:

    There are probably more, but I have seen quality contributions from all these users.

    Also, even though they aren't really active anymore there are great posts in the posting history of

    /u/veggie_girl and /u/scottishredpill

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Comments like yours prove the necessity of mods heavily moderating this subreddit. We don't tolerate trolls like you. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. If you choose to stay, post comments that do not relate to the post at hand, or deliberately try to derail a thread or generally troll, you will be banned.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I've already banned him.

      [–]Dark-Ulfberht 30 points31 points  (8 children)

      Dude, I like this sub. I don't subscribe here because, well fuck, I don't subscribe anywhere.

      But, it's all good, and enjoyable reading. I very much appreciate that you don't moderate the piss out of this place.

      But please, for the love of all that is holy, don't become some self-righteous fuck like the vast majority of moderators on Reddit.

      You're moderator of an internet forum. Put that shit into perspective.

      This post sitting at the top of this sub makes me worry that TRP could become just another set of SJWs who take themselves too fucking seriously.

      [–]squarehead93 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      I agree. I do sympathize with the general sentiment of the mods here. TRP has grown significantly in recent months and that usually does correlate with a decline in quality. I completely understand them wanting to do something to keep content quality at a certain level. Perhaps this is the best fix they could think of.

      That being said, in my humble opinion, the "newbies are ruining this sub" thing just feels like a bit of a circlejerk here. It's one thing to delete low-effort or banal threads and comments, but I don't want to see TRP go down the path of the SRS subs, where the mods ban users on a whim, for practically any or no reason.

      That newbies should read the sidebar first before posting shouldn't have to even be said, and I support encouraging everyone to do so. I have no problem with setting a bar for entry to keep content strong, but I humbly feel that the tone of this thread this is bordering on hostility towards newbies. Keeping out trolls and the truly lazy is one thing, but I think plenty of people come here truly looking for help and answers. I'd hate to see us start scaring them away. I guess time will tell.

      EDIT: As long as we're talking about content that should be removed, I'd like to see a crackdown on the r/thathappened type FR's. Success stories can be encouraging and helpful, especially if you break down what you did right and wrong for readers' benefit, but IMHO a lot of recent FR's are little more than "Iel I held frame and got laid" bragposts. And obviously embellished or completely made up ones at that.

      EDIT 2: Well, someone's gotta be the guy in the room who doesn't mindlessly go with the consensus, even here.

      [–]Dark-Ulfberht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Agree with all.

      . . .IMHO a lot of recent FR's are little more than "Iel I held frame and got laid" bragposts. And obviously embellished or completely made up ones at that.

      You know, I always felt that my best stories, the ones I'll tell my grand kids, ended up with me waking up in an alley or getting a drink thrown on my face or other such tomfoolery. The ones where you get laid are much less memorable.

      [–]confuseacatlmtd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Ok, that's a good point, but I've noticed with ALL of reddit that people don't tend to believe my stories that did happen and believe me when I'm actually trying to just be sarcastic or absurd. (This was before I learned about the s/)

      I like the brag posts, because I've had some of the same things happen to me and it blew my mind how just saying no and being unaffected by shit tests got me into an awesome situation.

      I think everyone is here for something different. I, for one, would like a lot less posts about specific woman who were batshit crazy just so guys (and I've been one of those guys) who have got there heart broken can say AWALT.

      No, all woman are driven by the same things outlined in THE SIDEBAR. Not all woman are gonna cheat on you with a midget.

      But I guess that helps some guys. So I'm not gonna judge, I'm just gonna scroll until I find something on self improvement or lifting or controlling my frame or dealing with a social situation. To each there own.

      [–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      There's a difference between policing message and policing delivery. You can have the right message, but if you deliver it like a dipshit you should have to try again. Policing people's message should be done through comments and debate, rather than censoring. This sub is a great place largely due to the filtering of low-value posts. Lots of posts are redundant and add no value.

      I understand where you're coming from though. Lots of BPers come in here and start debates, but they get deleted because the BPer is presenting his argument like a dumb fuck, which seems like censorship. But when the BPer is thoughtful the comments will sort him out without needing to delete anything.

      [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Fuck off man, they're preserving the integrity of the sub.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      MachRed has my full support on this one.

      Mine as well! People may have noticed small subtle changes over the last few weeks as we've been discussing fine-tuning quality control. We've removed direct links and added a few new automoderator rules.

      As the crowd gets bigger, we will continue to tweak our moderation policy, but I'm confident this current initiative will maintain a great level of quality for the foreseeable future.

      [–]IkilledJarJar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Not really 75k people...probably should look at the unique individuals that visit daily, because the post will end up getting buried if it doesn't receive enough upvotes.

      [–]Mr_Pie_Eater 35 points36 points  (0 children)

      I'm not even new and I don't post. I just soak this shit up like a testosterone fill sponge.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 29 points30 points  (9 children)

      I believe you've just made an excellent case to remove the "Ask TRP" flair.

      [–]scallopkid 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      I'm pretty sure the intention is that you can use the flair to ask questions about theory but not about specific people/situations in your life, although there is not really much left to ask that can't be answered by reading the sidebar.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Yes, the ask trp flair is to ask about theory. "Anybody noticed xyz?" or the like.

      Specific questions about particular situations are in /r/asktrp.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Couldn't that simply by classified as RP Theory, then?

      Removing AskTRP flair might help get rid of some of these garbage posts.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      As far as I can see both "ask trp" and "off topic" flairs are viewable by icon at the top of the sub, but if you try to make a new post those options will not be available to you (anymore.)

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      although there is not really much left to ask that can't be answered by reading the sidebar.

      Bingo, that's what I was just getting to make the point on. The mods have done a superb job of not only establishing but also updating/maintaining the sidebar. Especially the "Good Links" part. Anybody who's read all of Rollo's "First Year" blog posts over at RM should have no questions about general RP theory.

      [–]let_terror_reign -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      Is there another flair for opening discussions?
      Otherwise, I disagree with that idea.

      [–]Migidarra 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Instead of saying "I disagree with it", please provide an answer to your own question as a possible solution. Research your own question to see if you can answer it yourself. This post, although innocent, doesn't contribute whatsover and with a couple minutes time you should be able to answer it yourself.

      [–]let_terror_reign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I thought my question was the reasoning. I'll elaborate a bit. The asktrp flair was meant to promote discussion, or discuss interesting or different scenarios. What is is being misinterpreted as, is a replacement for the asktrp sub. If we remove the flair, a lot of thought provoking debates don't have a flair.
      I disagree with the idea of removing the flair unless we can replace it with, for example, a d&d flair for debate and discussion.

      [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      The problem here is that RP teaches "the person who speaks the most confidently and assertively is often perceived as right." The strongest reality always wins. Noobies get that basic idea and they either subconsciously or consciously just speak their baby-RP or residual BP-angst ideas as these grand truths, and they state things like "RP is not about sex, RP is about improving your life" as if RP was something they founded. And hey, doing that works, often a bunch of other noobies upvote their shit because it confirms their own residual BP world views.

      In the real world, YES, you generally want to just say what you think as if you're damn sure it's right. If you're giving your opinion of a restaurant, just say it like you're Gordon Ramsay. If you speaking at a symposium, nut up and act like you're a goddamn expert in your field and you will be perceived as such.

      But when you are trying to learn and actually get some good ideas to go out and use in the real world - aka in a classroom with a good professor, in a training session with a great coach, if you're friend takes you out to meet women and he knows his shit, etc - this attitude bites you in the ass and prevents any sort of real learning. You're busy fronting as if you know everything to continue your "RP" image, because RP is synonymous with alpha, supremely confident expressions in your mind.

      But remember, you didn't fucking get into RP to look cool on the internet, you got into this shit to learn. I'd rather be the noobie on here and learn something from someone, and then go out in the real world and apply that shit like I'm the master. That is far better than acting like I know everything on here, then going out into the real world and not knowing shit.

      Why do we have these male only spaces? So men can learn from men without egos and amoging and trying to look cool. When you go hunting with some experienced, hard dudes, do you front like you know how to do everything? Fuck no, if you don't know how to clean your gun or whatever, just ask and if you get ribbed a little about how you're a city kid, so what. Some of these guys on here are the type of people who would go work out with Arnold or Ronnie and then argue with everything Ronnie says like "oh actually Mr. 8x O I read that you're supposed to stay in the 8-12 range for squats, do some research dude, you're pushing it into the 15 rep range and losing out on gains!"

      If you're not here to learn, then why are you here? There's some areas where I'd say I might know more than most on here from my RL experience, but I come back because there's other areas where I have more to learn. I could easily study how people who know more about some areas - say, personal finance - talk and then talk out of my ass and appear to be an expert to some other newbies in that area. But I would only be degrading my own ability to learn in that area.

      TLDR: Save the "whoever's reality is strongest wins" for dealing with RL shit-tests and situations. RP is about "what is real, what is objectively verifiable, and what strategies yield results" and while you should be confidence about what you do, as a noobie you should not speak with confidence you haven't earned. If one dude is a newbie and he comes on here and gets an education, and one dude is a half-newbie, half-RP type guy who learns how to speak here to get cheap karma... then imagine those two meeting at the club. The first guy will STUNT ON THE SECOND GUY'S FACE if all other things are the same.

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

      HALLELUJAH. I've been bitching about shit comments for the better part of three months and clicking the report button. When the newbies respond with "wow u r beta" or "im gonna fuck ur wife" I always report it and wonder when ya'll mods are going to lay down the ban hammer on these retards. We should strive to keep this from becoming SRS style retard discussion and I think the mods should figure largely in that.

      Additionally, it goes without saying that several people posting have not read the sidebar and have no grasp on TRP theory. They will create a shit-post talking about how they were totally Alpha, then when the regular posters point out wrong they are, they attack and get defensive.

      With that being said, there should be an additional addendum to this post. If you're new here and still choose to create a post, and if it just so happens that regulars point out how wrong you are about TRP theory, you shouldn't respond defensively and attack & insult them. I had this happen to me a few days ago and it was fucking ridiculous. The guy's post & comments were voted down eventually but it still sat on the front page for a while with some of the worst advice and actions taken that I've ever seen on this sub.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

      When the newbies respond with "wow u r beta" or "im gonna fuck ur wife"

      I hate these kind of posts and I will flat out ban people on those kind of posts alone.

      They will create a shit-post talking about how they were totally Alpha, then when the regular posters point out wrong they are, they attack and get defensive.

      Too much ego and insecurity. If you're here to learn and someone tells you that you did something wrong and offers an alternative, you should be happy you're getting the knowledge you need.

      I had this happen to me a few days ago and it was fucking ridiculous. The guy's post & comments were voted down eventually but it still sat on the front page for a while with some of the worst advice and actions taken that I've ever seen on this sub.

      PM me the thread and I'll check it out. Sometimes as mods we are busy with our own lives or things simply slip through the cracks. We do try to catch everything though, to the best of our abilities. FYI: if you PM me about a problem it'll be dealt with quicker than if you click the report button. Report button = mod queue which means whatever problem you had with whatever post gets put among a sea of other shitty posts which we all have the collective euphoric joy of scanning over for our personal delights. PM means you can also add a note so I know how bad the comment is, whether its mild spam, blue pill advice or something more serious such as doxxing.

      [–]Saturnalia93 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I hate these kind of posts and I will flat out ban people on those kind of posts alone.

      Seriously, thank you. So fucking irritating.

      [–]MOldMuckyTerrahawk[M] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

      Whenever I have to delete someone's thread for banality/low effort, I put a red X next to their name in my RES.

      Two X's and they're gone.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Get reddit Moderator Toolbox, it has notes built in that share across the moderators. I can leave a note on a user so other mods can see it. You can also add users to lists like "spam watch" and so on.

      [–]MOldMuckyTerrahawk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is great. Banning and deleting just got a whole lot easier.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      Sounds like something I should start doing. Good little system.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Get reddit Moderator Toolbox, it has notes built in that share across the moderators. I can leave a note on a user so other mods can see it. You can also add users to lists like "spam watch" and so on.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'll look into that, thanks RPS, sounds useful.

      [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      When you do, check the note on you

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Haha, that's nifty. We should get everyone using this.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 19 points20 points  (5 children)

      100% in agreement.

      Have a question? Don't know what to do in your situation? Don't understand something?

      Don't ask about it.

      Go and read for a month. Start with the sidebar. Then read the top 100 posts of all time with comments.

      Your problem isn't that you don't know what to do, or you don't understand something. Your problem is that you don't know enough. So read and learn. I'm not special, I sat there reading and learning just like everyone else.

      I can't even go on /r/asktrp because every answer could be solved by sitting down, reading the side bar, the top 100 posts of all time, and some rationalmale. I look at it right now and I see "roommate is fucking my ex, how do I handle it?". Go read and learn, and then you will know what to do instead of asking for advice at every step of the way. Are you going to live a life where everyone will have to offer you a helping hand every step of the way? No. So stop asking for hand holding.

      You think people of real value have time to sit there and answer your minor questions on asktrp? No, they don't. I'm a busy guy and I have shit to do. Every hour I spend on reddit I am losing out on money so I make it worthwhile when I do go on reddit.

      And like I said before, the problem isn't that you don't know what to do, its that you don't know enough. I cant give you a simple solution. Its like a math problem, I don't just give you the answer, I show you how to do the problem. I'm not going to sit there and digest a concept for you, written and tailored to your needs. I'm not getting paid for it. How about you go and read it. Its probably answered in the top 100 posts of all time. You want to improve your life? All the tools are in front of you.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      I'm not going to sit there and digest a concept for you, written and tailored to your needs. I'm not getting paid for it. How about you go and read it. Its probably answered in the top 100 posts of all time. You want to improve your life? All the tools are in front of you.

      This. So fucking this. One of the things I've noticed as of late are slews of comments written by people who clearly haven't read even a shred of the sidebar. They'll post something stupid, a more seasoned sub will refute it, and the original commenter will ask "why do you say that", trying to bait a hook for a private RP lesson. I'm done obliging, I'm just gonna start making friends with the "report" button.

      Unfortunately, due to the Law of Unintended Consequences, as the sub grows, the mods are gonna be getting busier and busier.

      [–]ont_anon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Agreed wholeheartedly. So many guys come in here and the problem - without laying the groundwork and reading the sidebar, prerequisites, etc. - is that they don't know what they don't know.

      They seem to think that this sub is /r/ relationshipsPLUS, where they'll get the REAL, behind the scenes answers from men to their relationship problems.

      And so we see "New to TRP as of 5 minutes ago! So I just stumbled into this sub and my single-mother gf of 2 months who's cheated on me 5 times just cheated one me again. HELP!" messages (yes, hyperbole). A core tenet of TRP is that a man helps himself first before asking others for help. Once you've exhausted your resources, which in this context includes reading all of the content on the sidebar, all of the referenced books, etc. and tried what you've learned there, THEN you can ask for help here. Just dipping your toe in then asking for help seems a feminist trait to me. You want the benefits without the effort.

      And while I'm at it, and this is completely off-topic but I'm ranting, for everyone in this sub who posts anything:

      • Tenant: Someone who rents or leases an apartment.
      • Tenet: A belief or idea that is important to a group.

      Yes, I understand that you might think language isn't important but you believe that your point is, but I find it hard to give posts credibility when they're using the wrong words. /r

      Edited: for clarity

      [–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Wholeheartedly agree with this. Life isn't going to spoonfeed you. And you shouldn't grow up expecting that.

      [–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I can't even go on /r/asktrp because every answer could be solved by sitting down, reading the side bar, the top 100 posts of all time, and some rationalmale. I look at it right now and I see "roommate is fucking my ex, how do I handle it?".

      Well, /r/asktrp was made for shitty questions like that. It keeps TRP clean and still offers a place for help. Just don't go there if you aren't the helpful type. No harm done, but TRP needs a place for those questions. You know how difficult it is in our society to get help as a man.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      As a general guideline: I recommend reading red pill content such as [...] endorsed contributor comments and posts

      This one in particular irks me. I'm not going to say every single EC post is perfect, but by and large, the overall message that the endorsed contributor is making is spot-on re: sexual strategy. Instead of nitpicking at what is being said, you should stop posting and soak in the message that the contributor is making.

      We are not bullshitting you, we are not being absolutist or extremist. We are relaying philosophies forged by the hammer of success driven by self-discipline and improvement.

      [–]MSoftHarem[M] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      /u/MachiavellianRed has my full support here. We have more of an informal policy for banning people, but do understand I follow just about the exact same method he does when I remove people from the community. Pay attention, follow the rules, and help us keep the signal strong.

      Keep your mouth shut unless you have something of value to contribute.

      Edit: One ban so far in this thread alone. If you think we're playing around, think again.

      [–]Position5hero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Well said.

      If you have game, go ahead and spit some.

      If you don't, and you didn't even take the time to learn it, why did you think anyone would be interested in your nonsense?

      Quality>Quantity

      [–]TheWeddingReversal 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Man, I have been taking TRP for several months now not posting shit, but the thing is I had a fucking awesome post written up (spent all day thinking about it and perfecting it to a motherfucking T) and the bot said I couldn't post it because my reputation was too LOW.

      I know you want us to STFU and read everything but this is precisely what I have done and I still can't post a topic.

      Idk man, maybe you will say I should comment more to up my reputation but I'm the type of person who doesn't post unless I am sure I've gone through everything. It's frustrating when I've spent months reading TRP, buying recommended books and practicing the tactics and I finally think of something great and I can't post it.

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      We can manually approve your posts. If you have a great post to share, link us to it in mod mail or over PM and one of us will approve it.

      [–]3Varrian 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      Finally! The side bar should be a prerequisite before you even begin reading or commenting on TRP. You can provide no insight unless you've experienced or practiced the ideas that are explained in the material in the sidebar.

      The content has also dropped significantly from when I first started reading. There is an unbelievable amount of "This Stuff Works" posts that provide no value and should rather be in /r/ThankTRP.

      [–]3kempff 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      What do you think of putting together a sidebar "test" like the written part of a driving test?

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      That seems more in line with standardizing idiocy than elevating and promoting knowledge and understanding.

      I think that this post is the test and if you can't pass it then why in the hell should anyone here put anymore effort into people who fail it whatsoever?

      Plus - and hear me out - it's not like a banned person can't re-subscribe under another name and try again. But maybe that is too complicated for the stupid people who get banned to begin with.

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        [–]Dexadrine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I think it comes down to the math of any special interest groups, or ideology. You get a certain amount of people who really "get" something, and as the group is bigger and more well known, you have a certain critical mass, to the point that most people have heard of TRP to some degree.

        That's going to be your early saturation point. You'll still get some interesting people to a point, and then you'll start picking up a bit of everything. Lookey-loos, trolls, wanna be politicals, bored save the worlders, etc.

        That sort of dynamic goes back to the BBS days, Usenet, IRC chat rooms, etc.

        The more "fame" you have out there, the faster the signal to noise ratio turns to more and more noise. Not sure what you can do about it unless you want to just slam the door shut and turn it private. Then maybe spawn another forum, something like TRPN00bVille, and TRP_NewbieStoriesOfBrutalReality or some such.

        [–]3Varrian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        At the end of the day TRP is for your own self improvement; what you take from it and what others take from it maybe completely different so a test cannot accurately measure anything.

        The same way IQ tests cannot measure creativity, how do we measure how much a person has absorbed from the sidebar? Are we gonna do definition questions and theory questions? Who gets to decide what the correct answer is? There are some situations which multiple approaches can be effective.

        I think a "time limit" is most appropriate for submitting posts: for instance, 3 months of lurking and 3 months of commenting(no posts at all on the main sub). 6 months is ample time to acquire the knowledge and put into practice what you learn here.

        But once again it comes down to: how do we measure the progress of others? Do we get them to sign up and then put them on a waiting list? That's just creating more work for the mods but it does avoid poor content.

        [–]MightyTaint 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        I want to see an apocalypse of bannings.

        [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The trick here is to not ban the wrong people. It's not easy to immediately tell the difference between a fence sitter and a termite.

        [–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        What about the teach learn teach process. People understand things better when they get a chance to teach it. Thats what i do, if experienced users disagree. I read some more and come back

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I've been a reader and contributor to this community for some time now, and I still read the sidebar every so often, just to make sure I'm not forgetting the fundamentals.

        The average Red Pill initiate will have endured 20+ years of indoctrination before arriving at his moment of awakening. That's one hell of an assault on your identity, your masculinity, and your instincts.

        It's never a bad idea to review the basics.

        [–]newlifeasredpill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        MODS - your work is much appreciated. This message was very clear.

        [–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Not going to lie, I enjoy FRs around here but half of them are plain ol retarded.

        [–]teeelo -1 points0 points  (24 children)

        No mercy.

        I am so tired of seeing posts from people who obviously never read the sidebar and are oblivious to /r/asktrp

        There should be a no under 20y/o rule too, in regards to posting content here.

        [–]leaffur 33 points34 points  (8 children)

        No under 20 y/o posting? That's garbage, let me tell you why. I've been browsing this sub for the better part of a year, I always see posts that are along the lines of "I wish I had found TRP earlier in life." While I can see your point that younger people might not have shit to contribute since they're inexperienced, but making a rule that forbids them from posting could keep the community from growing as a whole.

        "But the under 20 y/o's shit post! They're a cancer to our community!"

        No, they're not. I'm 18, eloquent and well spoken. Blaming younger men on the sub is just a scapegoat for the real problem which is a decline in the quality of content.

        Sure, people who are younger have less experience, but when we apply TRP concepts we get the same results. We shouldn't discriminate based on age, but based on value, like it says in the mod post. If someone has something to contribute the community, it shouldn't matter how old they are.

        [–]teeelo 12 points13 points  (4 children)

        Keep in mind there is no way to enforce it, it's just a suggestion.

        And no offence, but do you know how many times I've heard the 'I'm mature for my age.' Argument?

        Gets old fast.

        [–]burningdandelion 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        I agree, many people think they're "mature for their age". I've heard it plenty as well and oftentimes it really is just in their head, some delusion that they have because they were the first in their friend group to get their license or get a job or whatever.

        However, maturity has never been something I base on age. I've seen 40 year old men that still act like they're in their teen years because they've never found themselves or their place in the community, and more often than not they think they're "mature, enlightened, and a man."

        I've also met 10 year old's with more age in their eyes than half the guys coming out of high school that I've seen. They've been through a lot, or had to step up to replace another figure in their life (i.e. a father, brother, etc.)

        I had to do it when my dad died, and he never really taught me to be a man either. I figured it all out on my own. The thing is, if a younger user posts something, there is enough of a chance that it could be a quality post that it isn't worth age-gating the community. It's simple, we just weed out the shitty posts, ban the users that can't get it through their head, and continue to seek out quality content from members of all walks of life.

        In short, age has nothing to do with maturity, and to say it does is an insult to intelligence and experience.

        [–]3kempff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        However, maturity has never been something I base on age.

        This. There is nothing so exquisitely ironic as a kid protesting his maturity with that tentative upswing in his voice at the end of every clause while using the word "like" as a verbal punctuation mark.

        My dad was a pathological beta and even, towards the end of his life, made subtle and not-so-subtle efforts to betaize me, because he himself had been terrorized by his own father and was forced to worship the ground his gold-digging stepmother walked on, so that out of all the available women in the world he chose a girl who had been abandoned by her alcoholic father and depressed mother to be raised by her aunt in poverty among her abusive cousins, and by the time I was a fully-grown adult, and having been emotionally co-opted by that woman for forty years, my father was so completely sold-out to her hysteria that he literally ordered me to allow her to manipulate and smother me, because she had heart disease, and standing up to her may trigger a heart attack, and I would be responsible for her death.

        You can't make this stuff up. If I heard my own life story - and there is lots more to it - I would have dismissed it as over-the-top pulp.

        That said, I myself am pushing 50 and suffered from the kind of arrested emotional development you describe. I've made a lot of progress just in the decade or so since my parents died, but just in the short time since having joined up with this community, leaps and bounds.

        And while I feel I have a lot to offer this community, it's nothing compared to what this community has to offer me.

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          [–]love2fap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          i will only agree that there are exceptions to every rule(even though not enforce-able), but the majority of people that young do not have appropriate life experience/maturity to make quality posts. they can still read and learn as much as desired.

          i suggest we meet in the middle and limit posts to members that have been subscribed for X months/days.

          [–]Ralt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Disagree on age suggestion. If someone has something cogent and relevant to say, I want to hear it.

          [–]a_murderer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Hey man, im 17 and my post is sitting on the front page with 230 upvotes and 86 comments. Every day theres a post or comment saying "gee i wish i found trp sooner".

          Im not going to do that "mature for my age" bullshit but just because i cant legally drink or smoke doesnt mean i should be banned for contributing.

          [–]teeelo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is exactly the kind of drivel I am trying to eliminate.

          [–]rpmale -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

          My content on trp has gotten guilded numerous times on top of approval from redpillschool and other endorsed users and mods. And im 18. Don't be an agist haha. A core tenant of trip is to judge the message first, before the messenger. Maybe you should stop posting and start reading! Haha

          [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          Haha

          If you're that well versed, then speak with confidence. Stand behind your words. No more haha.

          [–]SillyAmerican 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          This sub has gone from useful into to just puff chesting FR that border on the informative and reek of embellishment. Littered with a bunch of Whiney pussy pass examples MRA BS. bout time to start corralling finally. My cup is lifted in agreement.

          [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You realise /r/PussyPass is one of the recommended subs here? And that we have MR flair?

          [–]SillyAmerican -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          sweet! thats exactly what those subs are for. if you want to circle jerk on how women get it easier, thats where you go.

          [–]razometer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          This is long overdue, and I agree completely with everything you've said. We need to advance TRP, not rehash the same stuff every time a new wave of members hits our shores.

          [–]erthian 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Ok... so I just made a post with this... then deleted it. Please dont ban me just for asking, I'm seriously curious. I've been reading red pill theory and studying social dynamics for a 3 or 4 years now.

          http://i.imgur.com/aGqESP2.png

          I honestly can't decipher her purpose for posting. I really wanted some insight on the psychology behind it. I thought it would spark an interesting debate on outside validation for women's actions.

          According to this post, I'd be deleted and possibly banned for this? I've read the sidebar. I'm no stranger to the ideas, but some times its a lot to parse out a single idea in contextual relevance. So does this fall in line with the low quality shit posts or what?

          [–]crazyex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What subreddit was it posted in?

          Pregnant women don't follow normal social dynamics anyway; even more so in the third trimester.

          [–]11411181 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          She wants comfort and validation that it's not all her fault and that she's not ruining her husband's life.

          However, she's stated that she suffered from depression in the past and she's running along like a pretty textbook case of pre(soon-to-be post)-natal depression. She needs help from a support network ASAP, because post-natal depression is a killer for both her and her child.

          You don't really need to read into that anymore, assuming that everything is legit there. That's a desperate cry for help (or a very convincing mockery to garner sympathy under false pretenses).

          [–]Idle_Redditing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          What does it take to get a ban here? Are warnings given or just an immediate ban?

          As for the questions one big problem with r/asktrp is that hardly anyone goes there and answers questions from the holes in the sidebar material. It's the blind answering the questions of the blind.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          There is something the new guys need to realize. You shouldn't be posting because you don't know shit. When the sub was smaller we had a tradition of insisting that new guys STFU and read the sidebar/bloggers/books etc. This tradition seems to have flown out the window within the last few waves of members. You join up now and you start running your mouth. That's the quickest way to get a one way ticket out of here.

          Took the words right out of my mouth. New people here shouldn't even be voting on articles and comments imo, not that this is something that can be fixed.

          The general egotistical nature of humans has most of them believing that they know a lot more than they actually do. We used to have a number of hardcore players commenting, triple digits plus across the board. Now we've got a bunch of dudes that finally got their first ONS giving advice like they're the fucking pope talking to a room full of priests. Dunning-kruger induced retard hivemind is a thing that's difficult to combat as subs grow though.

          [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Being new to a subreddit or reddit at all doesn't mean a person's new to life. That same man could be 50 and have 2 ex-wives or 0 wives ever and 10 plates a month. We'll never know if we filter them all.

          As for ONS FR's I see no harm in it but I do wonder why there isn't a trpFR subreddit just for those.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          True, I guess the better way to word it would be, inexperienced asshats STFU and dont post BS.

          The bigger problem is experience is difficult to measure, so every muther fucker out there will hamster his way into believing he is more experienced than he actually is. When you've got and army of jackasses with ~20 lays under their belts trying to give pickup advice to pros with 500+ lays under their belt, you got a fuckin problem. In my general experience, most people are far less experienced than they think, and they are no where near the level they need to be to start spouting advice / theory.

          [–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I think we need a rule that nobody is allowed to post unless they have been subscribed to this subreddit for at least a month or more. I don't know if this is actually possible to enforce given Reddit's architecture, but surely we must have some sort of way to do this.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          AFAIK that's not possible with the reddit api. This would work only if the user left at least one comment here, maybe in a special thread. You could programm a bot then which would guard this.

          I am not a fan of this idea though, since you would still miss people who came here, registered, left and came back later than one month without doing any actual progress.

          On the other hand you would either loose people who are really long time lurkers, but refrained from registering. There are many who took months before they commented/posted.

          You would then have to put more effort in moderation just to sort out the valuable comments these dudes made and switch them live again after the bot removed them.

          [–]sparkleselite 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Thank you mods. I've been seeing a lot of non trp things in this sub and very bad misinformation too. Just a week ago there was a highly up voted comment that stated that unicorns exist and we're just not looking in the right places...

          [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          unicorns exist and we're just not looking in the right places...

          I can't stand that.

          [–]sparkleselite 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Exactly.

          And you should talk more in the IRC sometime hehe.

          [–]R2-D2Fan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          /unicorns exist and we're just not looking in the right places.../

          LMAO

          [–]crazyex -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

          Unicorns do exist

          [–]sparkleselite 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          You should just immediately be banned from TRP if you utter this sentence.

          [–]crazyex -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          I mean it though. I found a unicorn and am in a relationship with her. She still pulls girl shit but I call her on it and she apologizes on her own. She's almost completely RPW and is awesome.

          [–]anonlymouse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          You're in for a nasty surprise.

          [–]sparkleselite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          RPW =/= unicorn. Cut this shit out.

          [–]The3RedStars 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I like this. It's a no-bullshit type thing. Too many other websites are getting practically infested with AFCs/betas. Glad to see that it isn't like that here.

          [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Too many other websites are getting practically infested with AFCs/betas.

          They turn up here and break the rules. I tell them to read more and fall in line. Some of them do that and cause no problems and it's all good. Others get butthurt, start mouthing off, and then get banned.

          [–]The3RedStars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Tough love brotha. That's almost always good (too much can cause the person to become like a criminal in the sense of not feeling anything at all though, but I digress). I respect that.

          [–]TheFox51 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Shit is true. I've been lurking over a year and still don't feel like I'm "there' when it comes to posting on here. I agree with the vast majority of the stuff here in the sub, some of it I don't. (We all have our opinions and reasons) although I learned most of this the hard way, this sub and the community have helped me a lot through me reading and learning from the experiences. Everyone out there knows something you dont, so my advice for new guys like me, shut up and learn....

          [–]OFF_THE_DEEP_END -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          I agree. But AskTRP should welcome what this sub won't. Some people learn from asking questions and discussion. Others from immersion in reading materials. Cutting off discussion based on some subjective level of expertise would only hurt the movement.

          [–]chasethenoise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There's no room for alternate views here.

          [–]cali_gunner -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          Looks like someone already failed at STFU and reading.

          [–]ScottishIslander -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          I've been following this community for several months now, but I've never received any indication that I am allowed to post. What's up with that?

          [–]let_terror_reign -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Slightly unrelated, how does someone get the endorsee contributor tag?
          Does that allow someone to change their name? I noticed you mentioned puasenator below.

          [–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Mods award it as they see fit.

          [–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Are there any additional privileges?

          [–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          People tend to listen to you with the tag.

          [–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I got that part, I was wondering if there's anything else. I've not seen an endorsed contributor flair anywhere else except ( iirc) on rpw.
          Thank you.

          [–]10m1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          One problem I see with having to be subscribed for a while before you can post is that many people read the sub from their regular account but would not like to link it by posting in TRP. If they have something to add to the discussion but haven't made an alternate account yet they won't comment.

          Though I understand the rule if the mods are flooded by spam and if it wasn't implemented I'd guess some SJW would regularly make new accounts and spam just to ruin things. Keep up the good work.

          [–]1trplurker -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          It's not how long a particular account has existed / been subscribed, as several of the old posters frequently change out their TRP accounts, it's the utter lack of knowledge that's usually espoused. When I first came here I lurked for a good three to four months before I made my first, and only, reddit account. I still tried to keep my mouth shut until I had really gotten my feet on the path. TRP isn't something that happens in one month, or even six months, it takes years and it's incredibly easy to spot the fools who had their first real TRP success and think they got it down.

          [–]10m1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          There is a bot that removes your post if you haven't been member for x amount of time. I lurked with my main account but do not want to link my main with this subreddit.

          If someone posts something blatantly wrong here I want to say so.

          [–]Rugby11 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the post

          [–]ohboyahuman -4 points-3 points  (18 children)

          Just a musing, but I think there ought to be a new sub dedicated to educating newbies. It might totally vanquish the need for sidebar rules such as we have, currently.

          If there already is one, present it more obviously.

          I do not claim excellent knowledge on the TRP, but I am a person who learns best through discussion. I'm sure there are many others out there like me. You could argue that this isn't an existent trait, but the fact so many ask for advice instead of gleaning knowledge from sifting through the sidebar links, it might provide the change you're looking for.

          If we have that, then more pedagogical subscribers can answer questions newbies might have about TRP and its talking points, so they may eventually have enough vital knowledge to let them participate in the discussion. It also might help boil down the ideas presented. I see a definite set of uniting underlying themes, but there's a whole lot of conjecture on top of it that could get confusing for new readers.

          The newbies come streaming in all the time. Instead of trying to block the stream, change the flow. It might get less tiring for you.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue 4 points5 points  (7 children)

          You don't show up to a discussion without doing the required reading. What you are describing is coddling, slowing down the rest of the class to answer questions from the fuck head who didn't do the take home assignments.

          The sidebar exists for a reason. The way things worked back in the infancy of TRP was that newbs would go off and read the sidebar then ask pointed questions about the theory in the main sub. Misconceptions were cleared, debates were raised, good times were had by all. That was the original purpose of the AskTRP flair.

          Now, due to the explosive influx of new users, we are getting a lot of low effort fucks who don't even bother to read the posting rules, much less any thing of actual worth in the sidebar.

          If you cannot post something that at least shows that you've read the sidebar and are trying to digest it, you shouldn't be posting at all nor should anyone be wasting their time trying to educate you.

          [–]ohboyahuman 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          Literally all I'm proposing is that. Like an 'asktrp' sub reedit that focuses on the discussion of semantics in the actually theory. So far, there's a mass of terminology (and great, there's a glossary) all jumbled up in conjecture and anecdotal and statistical evidence. To be honest, I find it riveting, but I'm biased because I already was leaning toward trp ideology before I stumbled across it.

          However, there is a relevant component that needs to be emphasized. People need discussion to help inform their life's choices To be honest, I find a lot of experts on this sub to be extremely bitter, jaded, and uninterested in people discovering and becoming passionate about the points raised here. That's fine. I think that this community is great, as a whole, and that there are people such as myself who want to help people discover it.

          Instead of doing away with the questions, filter them through to another sub. Trp has progressed. It has absorbed more material. There's a lot of shit to take in. And we're assuming it won't take any conviction to swallow the bitter pill or that people will come around regardless.

          I personally am a massive fan of mentor ship. My dad taught me to learn and teach, and the importance of both of those things. Nurturing is a very important part of developing healthy worldview, and that doesn't end for anyone ever. Do you just disagree?

          [–]TheGreenPill 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          focuses on the discussion of semantics in the actually theory. So far, there's a mass of terminology (and great, there's a glossary) all jumbled up in conjecture and anecdotal and statistical evidence.

          You could make all that into a wiki and ask to have it added to the side bar.
          I'll even help you edit it.

          TRP hasn't changed, just the people visiting.
          TRP is the same thing it was when I was visiting before I started with an alt, at the very beginning when it was only a few thousand subs.

          The 'experts' are bitter and jaded because they see and respond to the same trite babbling day after day after day after day after day after day after....

          I've not looked here in the last few months myself because the quality of content has been so low it simply hasn't been worth the effort of reading.

          I haven't posted anything myself for the very reasons posted in the original thread.

          If you're ready to mentor, go to /r/asktrp and see how long it takes to become frustrated with the same low effort diaper wearing bluebabies that the rest of us have tried to avoid.

          [–]ohboyahuman 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Thinking about it, I find it rather unfortunate that people's hamsters are training for a double marathon just to fight against brutally honest truths. I, like everyone else, have a hard time thinking my way around that. I really would love these truths to be ones everyone recognizes. I'd love TRP to penetrate the minds of feminists and white knights everywhere. I think it would make the world better. I suppose this is the part of the struggle.

          I guess that is a point I could stress, that the points presented could be a lot more relatable and presentable, maybe even succinct. The problem still is the fact that I don't know as much as some, so even though it would benefit me to write an article, I fear it might alienate me from the community, same as these comments. I still might do it, but I'm not sure if it's necessarily optimal. Perhaps I think the community is less forgiving than it is actually.

          Another thing, I have benefitted from saying something I was sincere about, but being shot down by good points, and have been pushed farther in the direction of true. That is the sugary center of my original idea/statement. Thanks for humouring me, at very least.

          [–]TheGreenPill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I fear it might alienate me from the community

          Fuck the community.

          You're not here to get validation from silly little red arrows are you?

          In my life I've had the pleasure of teaching and mentoring many people.
          I've learned more teaching than I ever did as a student.

          If you have a point you want to state, write it down. Make it an article.
          Put it away for a week and re read it. Edit it and put it away again for a week.
          Repeat.

          Writing is hard. Good writing is a herculean effort, but you can only get good by writing more.

          I agree that this place is filled with terminology, acronyms and other 'in crowd' exclusionary bullshit. If you don't like it, rewrite it, in a way you do like.

          If some unwashed monkey downvotes it on the internet, so fucking what, at least you had the self certitude to write it.
          What's that smelly downvote monkey done for the world anyway?

          [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Oh dear GOD, no! I clearly am commenting despite being downvoted. I can't sell karma. I am not discouraged by losing it.

          It's less that I fear being alienated, and more I fear being misunderstood, but I still explain my position with as much honesty as I can. I just, like lots of other humans, want to relate to other people who I see as like minded to me, and to me, that can best be achieved through being honest. If they don't like it, I was probably wrong about their like-mindedness. I probably could just achieve it by carefully choosing my words to get others to like me, but that would leave me feeling pretty empty.

          You're damn right. Decent writing is a feat. I'm only 20, a musician, and someone who spends every day striving to push myself at something so abstract that hardly any of my friends understand, but I am motivated to become the best at what I do. Writing is the same as any art. It's tough to bare your soul with utter control.

          I will consider writing it for the sake of learning myself more than the sake of teaching others. Trying to make it more succinct and sensible, supported by stronger claims. However, for now, I am struggling in my career, and need to put all the time I can into hustling, rehearsing, composing, and practicing.

          [–]TheGreenPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And in that you are further along the path than you realise.

          You've identified a potential time sink and the risk to your goals and have decided to set it aside while you focus on more important things.

          [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And some of the sidebar is actually shit but when I call it out I'll call it out by name. Not a worthwhile mode of response here but it is what it is. It wasn't written by gods, just other guys and it doesn't all work which is why it's important to question everything. Our ever-changing world (and culture within it) means what worked before doesn't always keep working.

          [–]truchisoft 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Who is going to teach the newbies? I believe this might end in a pure newbie circlejerk where none of them learn anything useful and end up distorting the original theory.

          [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          TRP is, many times, a circle jerk. Tons of posts are just people stating things relating to trp, and other people emphatically agreeing with certain points.

          If ever someone disagrees, then they're downvoted to the deepest depths of hell and are never heard from again. So, although I do see some contrarian comments, I don't see them as often as I'd like. AS WITH ALL OF REDDIT. The reddit model is a breeding ground for circle jerks of all varieties.

          I see no reason why trp ought not let the newbies enjoy a good circle jerk elsewhere. Look at older good posts. Argue about the semantics of the theory. They could even develop more refined explanations for the concepts! Redpilluniversity. I don't care. Could be a really nice time! Put the fun back into the community.

          [–]truchisoft 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I like that idea, but I am coaching a friend who is the epitomy of Blue pillness, he, like many newbies, insists on doing only a few of the RP mandates, believing that not doing what he thinks is not correct (in his still-blue-pill world-view) is enough.

          So I have to be there constantly correcting him at many steps.

          Now I am no Red Pill veteran at all, but I have been on seddit for more than 6 years and I have been learning everything in there. The only thing new for me in RP is the theoretical framework that lets me understand why some things work and why some other won't.

          If we let the newbies swarm like that, they will dilute the theory to something that mashes blue pill and red pill in one uniform mess that won't work at all.

          Those are my feelings...

          [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Addressing the first thing:

          Blue pill and red pill are a bit of an unnecessary distinction when it comes to explaining to your friends. If they see there as just being a line between the two, they won't care whether they really cross, and will, as blue pillers do, try to hamster their way into seeing the 'truth' on either side.

          I think it's all leading by example. Teach him what's best for him! Anyway, good luck with your friend.

          Some newbies don't want to be vocal. Some newbies do. A lot of times they're taken down a notch. Young bucks will be like that. Some newbies just want to read and have a better understanding. I think I've commented on TRP like 3 or 4 times, and every time it was to bring up a point I thought was relevant or to ask a question that was burning me and I couldn't find the answer to. Only now do I feel a little more comfortable with dipping myself in the waters, as I think that my positions are, if not totally defensible, decently respectable, and I am in no way married to them. I am just here to develop and learn same as everyone else.

          [–]truchisoft 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You can't lead by example if he believes what you do is "offensive", and even less if he still gets laid, only with lower SMV girls (that he hamsterizes are what he likes).

          Thanks for the support by the way!!

          [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Well, he's just a dumbass, then. Dude, you're taking the hard road. It's the least I can do.

          [–]ohboyahuman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I never said it would be not moderated. The idea is more for discussion of ideas that are introduced in TRP. Explanations. Like, I learn more effectively from real interaction with another person because it gives me the sense that they are trying to explain the concept in words that cannot be contextually misconstrued. It can also give people a chance to make mistakes with the concepts, which are far too easy to interpret poorly.

          You could make the useless and fallacious argument that the ideas are perfectly logical and sensible and only idiots would interpret them poorly, but I think that is very bad for this ideal. TRP could be a very philanthropic group and seen for what it truly is, rather than being viewed as a bigoted mess. I, personally, want the knowledge presented here to be common knowledge. I would prefer it not to be presented to people with hostility, but as a gesture of good-will. You know? Not sugar-coated at all, but it really is kind at its core, because it deals with truth!

          This is coming from me, someone who has yet to see a reason why people don't have the ability to change when presented with overwhelming evidence. Obviously idiots exist who have no interest in improving their worldview. Idiots exist here (in before someone calls me one). I, however, think they probably exist everywhere but are shielded from the bitter but necessary truths in this world.

          The teachers would be people who want to help people, thereby improving the world. Knowledge spreads! How do you think this sub got so big? I think there is a massive foundation of kindness and nurturing in this community. Such qualities are inherent in most well-functioning communities. It would be awesome to see some mentor-ship coming from people who are very knowledgeable in this community that could be applied on a mass scale.

          I could be just flapping my fingers to prove myself part of the problem, but I think this is at least the start to an easier solution than: DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE _____.

          [–]skahler 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Long explanation, but I agree with the premise. Red Pill could do a lot more in terms of building up the community. Long-standing members are most aware of this. We don't do each other any justice in going around and tearing down newbie Red Piller's that are only beginning to understand the concepts being presented to them.

          If there hadn't been people responding to me that didn't sound like hateful KKK Nazi trolls, I would have never been able to swallow the Red Pill and come to gain in that life-changing phenomenon of getting the things I want.

          There does need to be a place for new Red Pillers to get the basics down with people that can direct them where to look and what to do.

          If there hadn't been these people... none of us would be here. Red Pill would not exist without those that were geared towards contributing.

          [–]truchisoft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The problem is that RP goes again the very nature of some people, and many of them like to believe that RP is the answer to all their problems... but they still haven't swallowed the pill at all.

          It's hard to explain but I have a close friend who i am coaching and he is challenging me all the time for every step, and he didn't read the sidebar, nor any of the books, so he gets easily confused about the terms we use, he twists them so they conform to his blue pill reality, and so he goes doing something completely BP, while thinking he is championing RP...

          I agree with the mods that if some user reads the sidebar, the books, and sits for a while to think, he will see the patterns and will understand everything pretty easily, this is no rocket science, it just goes completely agains the percieved reality we used to have.

          In the case of my friend, he believed that telling a girl to go out with you, instead of politely asking her if she was free first, was a completely lack of respect against her... contrast this with our point of view and you can see how hard they collide...

          They need to want to be saved first, and that requieres sacrifice, many of them just want a quick to-do list and go on, and that is just useless, the RP mandates are a web of actions that support each other in complex ways that you don't see at the beggining until you read eveything and think a little about it all.

          Just my two cents.

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                [–]TheGreenPill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Why in the fuck hasn't this guy been banned yet?

                "/u/Wagegilliams"

                I feel like you guys have really high blood pressure.

                [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                He flew under the radar until he was dumb enough to post in a mod's topic.

                My particular favorite "You guys are the ISIS of reddit"

                He's banned now.

                [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                I really hate when people who don't know what they're talking about posts some shit post and then an influx of new people upvote that thread. There should be a minimum time subscribed to TRP requirement before one can post.

                [–]otto192 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                i have wanted one of the moderators to post this, thanks a lot! i hope this increases the quality of the posts.

                cheers,

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                  [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                  If you haven't been living TRP for at least a fucking year, you have no business posting here. End of story.

                  [–]arrayay -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                  It seems so evocative, I almost want to make a post just in reaction.