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[–]BrunoOh 173 points174 points  (45 children)

It's like fight club - you don't mention it. People are generally much more accepting of trp stuff if you don't mention them as such.

[–][deleted] 161 points162 points  (29 children)

Yep seriously. Start basically quoting TRP material? Wow, this guy is insightful as hell. Mention TRP? Fuck this guy hes evil.

[–]BhiQ 25 points26 points  (24 children)

I've always had the same feelign with atheism. Mention you are a non-believer? Get fucked. Stand up for secular humanist values? "Wow, what a smart, dedicated guy!"

[–]LineOfCoke 9 points10 points  (21 children)

Most modern atheist hate is based on the behavior exhibited by many atheists, not on some ideological bias.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (16 children)

Atheism+ is one of those examples.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 9 points10 points  (14 children)

Which was created by feminists who invaded, and then shitted up the community, like what they're doing to Gamers. I can't wait for the term Gamer+ to come out, it'll be fucking hilarious.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (12 children)

I was alluding to that, yeah. Bioware has already caved with Dragon Age Inquisition, depending on its success others will follow.

It's a good thing, for me personally. I need to spend less time on games anyway, endless hours of RPGs or bottomless grind games aren't good for using ones own time wisely.

I'll pick at the Witcher 3 here and there, if the youtube reviews are any good.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Oh god dammit, what did they change about that game?

I already preordered to limited edition with everything in it. If it isn't too strong, I might still buy and play it, but I was hoping that SJW shit was just limited to the Far Cry 4 devs.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

If you check out /v/ there will be plenty of threads picking it apart. I know, I know, just hear me out.

Basically, Bioware hires liberal arts majors to write for their games and model their characters.

They made their women intentionally ugly, and out of all the romance options only two are straight. There's something like six other gay/bi companions, including a gay Salvador with a mustache.

The only black woman is unromanceable. Bioware literally put an independent black woman who don't need no man into Dragon Age.

Luckily that's the least important aspect of the game (besides the writing) but just because they're pandering to SJWs I refuse to purchase it. On top of that, it's EA.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't know. I looked at it the romance options as well. There are many more options for females, but that's because out of 8 romance-able characters, two are gay, 4 are straight (Two have race preferences and are male) and two are bi. 1 male gay, 1 female gay, 3 male straight, 1 female straight, 1 male bi, 1 female bi.

The ones with race preferences both prefer female elves, but one of them prefers both elves and humans.

So, Bisexual Female Elf player characters have 6 possible romance options, as the gay male and straight female aren't going to be into them.

That is the race/orientation/gender that has the most options, followed by Human Bisexual Female at 5, as there is the straight male who prefers elves only.

Those two race preference guys kind of fuck it up, otherwise it'd be rather even across the board. 2 straight options for Men and Women, 2 gay options for men and women, and 4 options for bisexual men and women.

[–]rational_choice_roc 27 points28 points  (11 children)

I look at it like delicious calamari...as long as they aren't "told what it is", it tastes delicious.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Wait, there are people who wont eat calamari if they are told what it is? I hate fussy idiots like that, they are my pet hate.

[–]Digimon_Shiny 13 points14 points  (7 children)

My dad's family is Italian, so they would eat it regularly. The first time my dad's girlfriend at the time went over there to eat, she thought it was delicious, but puked after learning what it was.

In all seriousness, I've seen RP comments get hundreds of upvotes, and replies mentioning the source of the comment get downvoted to oblivion.

[–]LineOfCoke 5 points6 points  (5 children)

As a Latino I get this a lot as well. Octopus, conch, pigs feet, tripe, blood sausage, organ meats, etc. As long as its some richly flavored ambiguous meat, they love it, give it a name and they wretch.

[–]colovick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Squid?ewww! But seriously, calamari is delicious if you eat it fresh... Cold and it turns to rubber.

[–]MisterParty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Came here to say this. I only talk about TRP with close friends/family in specific situations. The rest is just behavior I act out, none of which is interpreted negatively. But mention Red Pill and you will be socially castrated.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 683 points684 points x3 (150 children)

Why is there an assumption that if you understand this material that you become an abusive, misogynistic dickhead?

Because you are complicitly agreeing with a community whose very existence undermines the gynocentric status quo of feminine primacy. By asserting the masculine viewpoint as primary, or even, a valid counterpoint you automatically become a threat. The hive mind rationalises your arguments as "backwardly patriarchal" and therefore, irrelevant, bigoted and out-dated. Then it gets spun as "people like you are the reason feminism exists" when actually, the reason you looked for a place like this is exactly because of the effects feminism has had on you and those around you.

Despite the damage feminism causes to developed societies across the globe, a lot of people are personally invested in it due to their own psychiatric problems. Others are not staunch SJWs/activists and many may not even identify as feminist, but due to the institutional influence of feminism they will embody lots of feminist norms and values. Particularly, those of you with a bachelors degree or higher, have been drowned in feminist propaganda. I find the more educated people are, the further from reality they tend to be. Not because they are stupid, but because they have spent many years in an institution which pushes forth feminist norms and values, they become indoctrinated. Effectively, most of the population whether they know it or not, agrees with the idea that the genders are equal, but that we must also artificially elevate women and give them special privileges.

So what's the reasoning for this you may ask? In an attempt to be concise it's kind of like the concept of white guilt, except it's for ALL MEN. Race card does not trump GENDER card. The way institutions are biased towards women today is due to the idea that men owe women due to the supposed barbaric nature of men pre-feminism in essence, it's the construction of a "male guilt" and women getting an easy ride today is some kind of reparation for that. That's how they justify their benevolent sexism. Feminism in its current form is all about maintaining double standards stemming from traditionalism that benefit women whilst destroying the double standards from our civilizational past which benefit men. It is ultimately, the restriction and demonisation of male freedom, expression and sexuality to make way for completely unmitigated freedom of sexuality and expression for females.

Instead of helping men and women understand each other better in spite of our differences and helping us cohese into a strong, somewhat moral and productive society, feminism encourages and thrives off facilitating decadence. Using newspeak like "liberation" to define the decadence it encourages when said "liberty" is really just a positive spin on "fucking anarchy." If you know your history, feminism reared it's head in roman civilization just before it fell. There appears to be a cycle where a civilization becomes so prosperous that it can afford to entertain notions such as feminism, only for those same notions to contribute significantly to the eventual downfall of the civilization, usually by lowering the birth rate and not incentivising beta men to work hard for the tax base (you get a return to harems, rather than monogamous nuclear families like you do under traditional Christian-based monogamy.)

To these people, the feminine viewpoint must be hegemonic and they don't care how many young men, girls with daddy issues and grown men that this feminine primacy adversely effects. As far as they are concerned, the masculine viewpoint is backward, barbaric, misogynistic and unworthy of listening to. They are oafs, they are bigoted, they are close-minded and they often have a personal vested interest in maintaining the feminist false narrative, some through product of having invested so much personal time into the ideology, others due to prevailing business interests. Unfortunately the generations feminism has tainted are irreversibly tainted because once someone is indoctrinated by an ideology it's very hard for all but the most intelligent of the pack to come out of it unbrainwashed or otherwise "mentally free" or "lucid."

An example is say, old people in Germany. A lot of them will think Hitler was a great guy and still hate the English because of remembering WW2 from their childhood or whatever. They have some investment in Nazism. But if you ask a young German today what they think of Hitler and the English they'll say Hitler is bad, English are "fine" or whatever. Completely different ideas, same people. Nazism didn't get to touch the newer generations like it did those born around the, and pre-ww2 period. The same goes for feminism. Gen X and gen y (gen y = millennials) are pretty fucked when it comes to feminism, most people will be life-long invested in the idea men and women are fundamentally equal despite the reality they are not.

Feminism is very much concerned with controlling and policing speech, it's become a very Orwellian ideology since it's inception as a simple civil rights movement. The fact we try to circumvent their control of gender relations is an affront to their personal beliefs and threatens the narrative by bringing it under scrutiny, something feminism doesn't fare well under (scrutiny.) Feminism requires blind faith, like many ideologies, and is intolerant of being alerted of it's own hypocrisy, weakness, dysfunctionalism and etc. Also to be clear, when I say "we try to circumvent their control of gender relations" we achieve this through indirect methods. We do this by claiming our masculinity and autonomy through hyper-independence. With independence it is difficult to be controlled. We are not a movement, we are a personal philosophy. We do not "fight for change" through political activism or a coup d'etat, we don't try to "change society to fit our needs" (the feminist model) but instead we introspect and make improvements to ourselves so that we may thrive in spite of society's support (or lack thereof.)

Feminism, like many a social ideology, is narcissistic and irrationally arrogant. It doesn't even consider it may possibly be wrong, or flawed and it will not allow itself to be undermined at any cost regardless of any negative outcomes that occur as a result of that. Of course like many ideologies which started with a rational and noble seeming ideal but morphed into faith-based cults, if you don't toe the feminist line you will be ostracised from society and people will say horrendous things about you because they don't like you. Because you are "one of them" and not "one of us." You are not a person to them. You are an "other." And as history has taught us that if you are considered "an other" (witch burnings) then you are not welcome in society.

If you tried to build a church in Saudi Arabia they'd probably chop your head off. Well being red pill in a feminist country is that equivalent. Witch hunting and doxxing galore. Which is why I never answer questions about my age or what I do for a job. It says I live in London on Twitter, that's it. 12 million people there including the metro, have fun finding me. For your own sake, don't post any personal information. Without the internet a platform such as this probably wouldn't even be possible and feminism would have absolute domination rather than a majority. Whilst the internet has been great effective at spreading feminism, especially to poorer countries, it's also served as a medium for fighting against it. The internet, my friend, is truly beautiful and we should all be thankful that we got to live through it's inception and see first hand just what it can do for us as a species. The internet is the best source of free information and freedom of expression to ever exist.

It is because of the internet you have the chance to read things which don't fall within the realm of "political correctness" but things which are also outside that closed stringently moderated bubble of opinion. Political correctness to me is just a code word for "views, opinions, language usage and beliefs which fall within a spectrum of pre-determined institutional acceptability." The changes to the language, calling normal people "cis" and all this shit has Orwellian undertones. Read 1984 if you haven't. And if you read it pre-red pill, read it again for additional insight.

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[–]legauge 84 points85 points  (81 children)

One thing that is a perfect example of how feminism act is GamerGate. They take the moral high ground and shame people for criticizing a woman who fucked around for free press, basically demonizing anyone with a different opinion than them.

But the most important part is how they turn out to be exactly what they hate: sexist, hypocritical people who see no problem with doxxing, bullying, using DDoS and demonizing anyone with an opposite view. It's no wonder the "movement" got pre-censorship 4chan all up in arms over that shit. Bullshit sensors were off the chart and that got anons go apeshit.

A good TL;DR of the situation can be found here or this FAQ. Hell, you can head to 8chan's GamerGate board and read what's happening, listen to the youtube vids, etc.

[–]DexterousRichard 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Always have to remember that women and the weak will not fight fair or attempt I take principled stances, because they are biologically impelled to use any underhanded means necessary to survive.

This stems from their weakness, and is a survival tactic they needed in the past to avoid direct competition with men. Our concepts of fairness get jettisoned very quickly when they decide they actually want to win or hack their way around a direct fight.

[–]ametalshard 4 points5 points  (15 children)

pre-censorship 4chan? what?

[–]legauge 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Christopher Poole killed moot and replaced most admins with SJW cocksuckers.

[–]WardlyHasted 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Seriously? Haven't visited 4chan much in recent years. I'm assuming this was the result of the celebrity nudes?

[–]kyrpa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A bit further back, during the Tumblr vs. 4chan dustup over the summer, a couple of Tumblrites "attempted suicide" after being "triggered" by posts on Tumblr. One of them was allegedly a relative of someone with clout at Gawker, which got back to Moot.

[–]stemgang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No, it seems it was due to #GamerGate, not #TheFappening.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Fappening is an awesomely awesome moniker, by the way.

[–]Echelon64 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Moot, the founder of 4chan, is now dating a writer for gawker.

half chan is kill.

[–]BedlamStatesman 17 points18 points  (7 children)

Moot sold out to the SJW's. Even /pol/ (Which, while still a shithole, was a generally-unmoderated shithole, and Freedom of Speech was held as sacrosanct in that community) started having the Global Mods come in and start censoring shit.

Rumor has been going around that you'll get banned on 4chan for simply using the term "Halfchan", a term those at 8Chan use to derogatorily refer to 4chan. I haven't tried it out, personally, so take it as hearsay for now. There was a big influx to 8Chan after Quinnspiracy and Gamergate went down, as people were sick of moot's selling out to SJW's. Basically, they called him out for the hypocrite he is ("Freedom of Speech is important until it's speech I disagree with.").

More info Here. Also, I can't speak for MasterChan. I went to 8chan for my Imageboard, and the community there seems halfway decent. I like Hot Wheel's (Admin) policy model, as it seems to be something Reddit could benefit from as well, were it to follow the same model. Chupacupcake and his little shitstorm wouldn't have had nearly as much traction, had that model been followed.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 8 points9 points  (59 children)

I haven't read up on GamerGate as I don't really touch games all that much any more, but I'll give it a look later. Thanks.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 113 points114 points  (53 children)

It's something I've been following pretty closely. Basically, an established SJW shit tier indy dev gamer (she made a stupid fucking browser text game on depression) was uncovered to have slept with a bunch of game reporters to get favorable coverage of her shitty game. This, understandably, created some commotion within the gaming community. Since she had a bunch of SJW connections, she was able to go to major sites and get sitewide bans on ALL discussion on the topic (including places like 4chan), further pissing off gamers. Upon looking into it even more, a whole bunch of indy dev corruption between journalists, developers, and even promoters was uncovered.

This again pissed off a lot of people. But what happened is the SJWs jumped in front of the scandal and tried to spin it as all criticism of the situation was misogynistic. They then try to spin it as GamerGate really being about gamers upset women are trying to get near the sacred cow known as gaming. It's totally bullshit, but it's what they are sticking to. Then they all got together and colluded with a bunch of sites publishing articles on the same exact day talking about how gaming is dead, gaming culture is over, and gamers are sexist -- completely gaslighting the issue at hand.

It's really pissed off a bunch of people and it's filled with drama to the brim. However, what the feminists don't realize is the blowback it's created. If the shiniest of white knights are finally seeing how batshit insane these people are, their double standards, and their strait up deceptive tactics. So now there is a sort of division between the beta males. You got a small minority of nerds who personally know this gaggle of SJW sluts, coming out to defend them and denouncing the gaming community. Then a large majority of nerds getting pissed off with feminists because of their gaslighting.

It's like the feminists just jumped in front of this bullet, intentionally to get shot, so they could spin this into a gender discussion. It literally has nothing to do with feminism other than, "Wow, these feminists are fucking annoying for trying to turn this into a gender issue." They literally created the issue just so they could play victim and fight over it. If you want a perfect, rage inducing, example of modern feminism in action (especially when it comes to women entering male spaces expecting said spaces to accommodate them, rather than they accomidate the new space) GamerGate is probably the best example you'll ever be able to find on the subject. The whole thing is completely intellectually dishonest through and through. And just about every popular SJW is trying to cash in on it.

EDIT: Just for fun, I'll throw in her best move yet -- between the guy that uncovered this and his ex GF Zoe Quinn the slut.. She actually went to court and got a physical contact restraining order against her ex-bf arguing to the court that she doesn't feel safe. Turns out that when he was 10 -- no fucking joke -- he accidentally pushed his grandpa and caused him to hurt his head. With that in mind, she felt that he may act violent again against her, causing her to fear for her physical safety. I'm not being ironic or joking. She literally got a restraining order against him based off the actions he took when he was 10. Though, the judge didn't care, because he didn't let him defend himself once in court.

[–]LewisSkolnick 49 points50 points  (9 children)

That's the best Gamergate summary I have read...

These lifelong game journalists all of the sudden stopped caring about their readers - the people who actually play the video games - and went kamikaze, accusing the entire industry and its customers of entrenched hatred of women. It was like all the journalists had all caught a virus - a virus that turned them into giant pussies.

And man, nerds can't catch a break. Years ago - women initially labeled them as pimple-faced geeks who wouldn't stand a chance in real life. Now it's 2014 and they are being labeled as chauvinist pro-rape thugs. What a world.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Is there some kind of a list of names of those Journalists? So I can avoid them ... plus I would like to see how they are doing now, just for shit and gigles :)

[–]jolly--roger 16 points17 points  (0 children)

head over to /r/KotakuInAction

the fight is still very much alive, SJWs are, inevitably, losing momentum

[–]LewisSkolnick 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Here you are my friend! The gamers' best ally in their fight against this madness was a journalist for... breitbart news.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJournoPros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It's just a bandwagon. Everyone is trying to catch onto the click bait drama, as well as others only getting told one side of the story. The fems will show examples of trolls making death threats, but conveniently leave out all the SJW shit which is the same if not worse, including mass doxing. They are trying to paint a picture here and some people are buying it.

For instance trying to call Intel misogynistic that hates women for pulling out of a GAMING site that was posting articles critical of gamers. I'm sorry, it's not misogyny, it's Intel not wanting to advertise on a site that calls their target demographic a bunch of pathetic losers with no social skills.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Intel pulling out was just smart business.

These SJWs don't understand that corporates are politically neutral and would swing either way depending on which generates bigger profits.

Stupid people are stupid.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 25 points26 points  (1 child)

An honorable mention goes to our very own TRP game that was silenced in the wake of gamer gate: http://slutquest.puerarchy.com

[–]widec 10 points11 points  (1 child)

GamerGate may have been the best thing to happen as of late to expose the problems behind feminism. Corruption gets exposed in gaming media, and being largely logical thinkers, the gamers want an answer to all this noise. So the feminists decide to jump in and start calling them misogynistic nerds, which understandably pisses them off because they were just trying to get to the bottom of things. What could have been old news by now with some clarity and getting some big names fired, turned into one major turning point as I see it with how gamers view corruption in reporting.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep the feminist crowd WANTED there to be an issue. They want to have an excuse to fight something. They want to find weak people to destroy, like they've already done by calling GG supporter's jobs and cherry picking things they've said to make them out as misogynists.

Though. The gamers are the last people they should pull this on. They are already nerds with nothing to lose, minding their own business. They also have a lot of free time and don't put up with bullshit.

[–]rporion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In all of this, I only mourn for 4chan.

When they were called pedos, they only invented the Pedobear.

When they were called evil and dangerous because hacking, Anonymous took it up a notch.

When an ugly slut sucks her way to the, well, mediocre tiers of game development, the self professed "asshole of the internet" gets all white knightey !?!

Fucking hoors....

[–]alreadyredschool 4 points5 points  (5 children)

especially when it comes to women entering male spaces expecting said spaces to accommodate them, rather than they accomidate the new space

What is the name for this effect?

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Sandbox vs Swingset is the only "name" I've heard for it.

[–]BlueEyezzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy hell... I have been around TRP for.... say a week now.... this article makes perfect sense. Comprehensive read.

[–]Christian_Kong 5 points6 points  (2 children)

But what happened is the SJWs jumped in front of the scandal

I would phrase is more like:

Someone involved in the scandal(Anita S, who is a publicist by trade for herself and others involved in this scandal) decided to turn it into a SJW issue about slut shaming the girl for having sex and the keeping of women out of gaming to draw attention from the real issue.

After this SJW's jumped in front of a scandal

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Your final paragraph pretty much hits the nail on the head. If women just wanted to participate in male-dominated endeavors, I doubt very many men would have a problem with it. But that's not what women do. They demand inclusion, then subsequently demand submission to the feminine imperative.

Prostate cancer kills more men than breast cancer kills women. But yet, NFL football players prance around for an entire month with pink towels, wristbands, and cleats in support of "awareness" of breast cancer. This is the result of the feminine imperative inserting itself into football and demanding recognition within the league.

Just like women can't just get into gaming and play along. No, they have to start squealing and complaining that the boy gamers talk to them just as crudely as they talk to each other, and wonder aloud why they don't get their "girl privilege" when playing an online multiplayer game. They have to complain that sexy women characters in games are dressed like sexy women and call it "misogynist".

They demanded access to the military. They just couldn't shut their traps, go to boot camp, and train up like the other men. No, they started whining about all of the men sexually harassing them, cat-calling them, etc, when really, below the surface, they're just treating the women the same as they treat their fellow soldiers. They had to lower the fitness standards for the women since they couldn't do as many pushups or sit-ups.

1) Insert women 2) Police Thought 3) De-masclize the group. Mission accomplished.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I've NEVER had a problem working and playing with women in the gaming space, ever. It's just not been an issue. Sure, they may have been given shit, but no more shit than guys get from the typical shit talking troll. The women that were in the gaming space before the SJW's were just "one of the guys" and had no problem adapting to our culture.

It wasn't until these feminists like that one kickstarter bitch who entered the space, whith NO gaming background, no actual understanding of the culture, and then come in and start making demands that we change our culture to suit her. I'm not even a hardcore gamer and that pisses me off because I do indy dev on the side as a hobby. So I can definitely see why the hardcore gamers are pissed.

At no point was there ever a mentality of getting women out of gaming. Never. Though, they were expected to adapt to the culture, and from there everything was cool. The problem only came when the entitled victims came in and started expecting everyone to shift and bend to how they'd like it. It's fucking embarrassing, and I know just about every girl I play with feels the same way. They think that these bitches are just making it harder on girl gamers by making guys too afraid to just BS, troll, and compete the same way they are used to. One of the girls I routinely play said that it's actually having an impact because less and less guys are inviting her to tournaments, which she suspects is out of fear of being thrown under the feminism bus.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 8 points9 points  (3 children)

One of the girls I routinely play said that it's actually having an impact because less and less guys are inviting her to tournaments, which she suspects is out of fear of being thrown under the feminism bus.

The men excluding her are doing the same thing that men are doing by refusing marriage. They're acting rationally. Are there women in gaming that aren't screeching fem-cunts? Yes. Are there women who, with the proper alpha man, could live in a happy marriage and not divorce rape him? Yes.

But why take the chance? If I had 10 tiger cages and told you that 1) I'd give you $500 to climb into a cage, and 2) all of the tigers were tame except for 2 of them. But I'm not telling you WHICH two, just telling you that there's a 2/10 chance you're gonna get mauled to death.

The men excluding your friend from tournaments are simply choosing not to climb into a tiger cage. The fem-cunts have tainted the pool of women gamers, and once again, it only hurts other women the most.

[–]Echelon64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if you aren't into gaming you should still look at the politics surrounding it. A culture of socially awkward boys and men has become the perfect target to be invaded by feminism, banking on the demographics of the hobby to give them wide support.

And it has worked to an astounding degree.

[–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You write good. Blog about it after if you think there is something worth mentioning!

[–]BedlamStatesman 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You write well.*

It was bugging me, and I couldn't let it be. I'll take my downvotes like a man, now.

[–]ztsmart 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Your correct. It should be well

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Honest Gamergate observation here: The feminists concentrate on the death threats and insults, while the TRP concentrates on the original misconduct. I'd say that both things are concerning, and that neither side is addressing the other side's issues. We want honesty in gaming press, and they want no harassment of women in games (though harassment is going on on both sides of the issue). The main reason I feel morally vindicated is that the honesty issue came out first. Yes, it is bad that someone receives death threats and I do condemn that, but nothing has taken my eyes off the original issue.

[–]anonlymouse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

feminists concentrate on the death threats and insults

If by 'concentrate on' you mean 'engage in', yes.

[–]Flareprime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Always with the death threats. Fearing for your life when someone pissed off types "ZOMG I wish u were dead!" really makes you look weak

[–]CriticalThink 131 points132 points  (24 children)

Feminism in its current form is all about maintaining double standards stemming from traditionalism that benefit women whilst destroying the double standards from our civilizational past which benefit men.

Is.....is this shit your job? Excellent post, well done.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 112 points113 points  (11 children)

The best I heard it said before was "Feminism removes social obligation from women, but retains their privileges. While removing male privilege and retaining their obligations." IE, Look at family law. Men get none of the privelges of being a man when it comes to family, but still all the obligations of being a man. Meanwhile, women have none of the responsibilities of being a woman, yet get all the perks.

[–]Valic3 82 points83 points  (8 children)

The best I've heard it was in "The Red Queen" by Matt Ridley:

"Feminism wants men to change their nature, while admitting that they cannot change theirs."

[–]bogeyegod 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Would you say that book is worth reading? I bought it and managed to lose it unfortunately

[–]Valic3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I love biology and evolution so I loved every word of that book. But if you don't have a real interest in biology then I'd pass on it.

[–]bogeyegod 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do love Evo psych and bio. I'm going to school for both. However, as I was reading the first few chapters it seemed to be things I already knew

[–]Valic3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It gets better. Most books written like that are meant for people outside of biology, so the introductory chapters are often the most boring to people like you and me.

[–]ben0wn4g3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I read that book and I don't remember him talking about feminism. Ha.

[–]Valic3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I read it in college, and I just re-read it and was very surprised how much better it was the second time.

[–]limbooo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup. Women don't want weak beta men to learn the secrets of their sexuality. They want to fuck guys at the top and keep a harem of nice guy friends for validation and resources.

[–]Tropper01 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He's one of the more prevalent bloggers: http://illimitablemen.com/

[–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 29 points30 points  (5 children)

If you know your history, feminism reared it's head in roman civilization just before it fell. There appears to be a cycle where a civilization becomes so prosperous that it can afford to entertain notions such as feminism, only for those same notions to contribute significantly to the eventual downfall of the civilization, usually by lowering the birth rate and not incentivising beta men to work hard for the tax base

Love the Glubb reference. That essay should go in the sidebar. It's quite the pill to swallow because of how well it articulates these truths of civilizations past.

To summarize:

(d) The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:

  • The Age of Pioneers (outburst)
  • The Age of Conquests
  • The Age of Commerce
  • The Age of Affluence
  • The Age of Intellect
  • The Age of Decadence.

(e) Decadence is marked by:

  • Defensiveness
  • Pessimism
  • Materialism
  • Frivolity
  • An influx of foreigners
  • The Welfare State
  • A weakening of religion.

(f) Decadence is due to:

  • Too long a period of wealth and power
  • Selfishness
  • Love of money
  • The loss of a sense of duty.

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    [–]2Red_August 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It will be interesting. Gazing into my magic crystal ball, I predict divided corporate republics with privatised rule, security, and services for the elite - all mostly owned by foreign powers. Quiet, gradual, no need to destroy the valuable assets of the land.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I think it is a hard pill to swallow because typical of early 20th century writers, they tend to make a lot of shit up and embellish their "research" to enforce a preconceived "moral" point of view. The dude doesn't have a single footnote or anything. Why would you believe it?

    [–]Iron-willing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I'll definitely be giving that a read, thanks for the link. Its chilling to see how perfectly the state of the US matches up with the Age of Decadence, not surprising however.

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Went to Rutgers University and I have to say, it's a feminist indoctrination factory.

    [–]BedlamStatesman 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Just commenting on your edit about the Gold. Your request that he donate to a charitable cause is admirable, but to a degree, I can see the sense in gifting Gold. Reddit is a business, and like any business, their aim is to make money. I guarantee you that if TRP didn't get them a revenue stream to offbalance the hate generated by SJW's for it, Reddit Admins would cut us off in an instant. It's an open secret around here that the Admins would love to get rid of us. We're the fly in their ointment, that uncomfortable itch at the back of their brain that provides cognitive dissonance to the SJW Party-line.

    In short, it's a way of protecting our own interests, by giving the Admins less of a reason to kill the sub. I'm sure we could just rally and reform elsewhere on the web were the Admins to shut down the sub, but until they do, I see no reason to not try and further it's existence as long as possible.

    Edit: A word

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    This is a cogent counter argument to my edit which asserts a valid premise. Your viewpoint definitely has merit. I've been gilded 4 times this week ($16,) and I just don't want to make the SJWs any more dollar for now. Especially, in all its irony, on an anti-feminist post.

    [–]BedlamStatesman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    It's a fair viewpoint. I've just seen quite a few TRP'ers that say, in essence, "Stop giving Reddit money, they want to get rid of us" while ignoring the fact that rewarding quality content here both encourages quality content to be posted, and gives the admins less of an excuse to shut us down.

    I understand your viewpoint, and it has a valid premise. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the matter of gilding. The less of an excuse we give the admins to shut us down, the better, in my opinion.

    On an unrelated note, been looking over your site. It looks rather decent, and I will be looking over more articles in the days to come. Keep up the good work.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the matter of gilding.

    I actually agreed with both our viewpoints (weird, I know.) I thought about it some more and decided to go with yours, which is reflected in my newest edit.

    On an unrelated note, been looking over your site. It looks rather decent, and I will be looking over more articles in the days to come. Keep up the good work.

    Thanks. Enjoy!

    [–]ALargeBicep 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    My comment got auto deleted for a link so here it is again:

    Can confirm: currently at a University whose English department has me reading about feminism and gender inequality that blames society's ailments on men ("historically, a society with more men tends to be more violent." Taken directly from a reading) and writing about solutions to gender imbalance in the world today.

    My "solutions" to gender "inequality" include: - abort all male fetuses so the population of men remains significantly lower than the female population - forcibly promote women to the position of CEO in half of the Fortune 500 companies -assimilate all cultures and religions into one - the elimination of sexual content in the world to de sexualize women

    My professor has openly opposed my beliefs before (There's a TIFU post I made about it) and recently tried to call me out in class about my beliefs on feminism and other social aspects. I really hope he picks up that there is no feasible solution in this country to their hare brained scheme of gender inequality

    [–]gensyms 18 points19 points  (4 children)

    forcibly promote women to the position of CEO in half of the Fortune 500 companies

    We should also promote women to homelessness in at least equal numbers as our homeless veterans.

    Because equality.

    [–]ALargeBicep 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    We should also give women testicles so they can get kicked in the balls.

    [–]12FAM0US 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    idk why you got downvoted that shit was hilarious

    [–]ALargeBicep 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I'm guessing some readers actually think I believe that's a solution.

    To those readers: it's sarcastic.

    [–]juicy_squirrel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I find the more educated people are, the further from reality they tend to be

    without going off on too big of a tangent I can confirm this. education is fine, but defining your life by grades and paychex is stupid. stupid! over specialization, I propose, is at the root of the problem. well rounded people are more self sufficient and aware of others around them - having maybe walked a mile in their shoes. several of ex's siblings were doctors and lawyers. they can't mow their own lawn, change a faucet washer, change a fucking flat, man stuff dammit! also, the ignorance of basic common sense is astounding!

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Mods, please consider sidebarring this post.

    [–]LittleCrazee 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Feminism, like many a social ideology, is narcissistic and irrationally arrogant. It doesn't even consider it may possibly be wrong, or flawed and it will not allow itself to be undermined at any cost regardless of any negative outcomes that occur as a result of that.

    I don't always fully appreciate some of the things you write as to me you sometimes come across as too angry (and for me to say that is somewhat telling) but your analysis of this is spot on. It is the inability of feminists and anyone who has been indoctrinated with feminist beliefs to be able to have logical, rational discussion based on pure facts about it that makes it almost impossible to combat.

    You can't fight willful ignorance with logic which is why feminism has bred a small(ish) but growing number of rabid and fervent opponents who have been pushed to the point of almost absurd levels of anger and frustration (possibly why you can be so volatile in your speech). All because they know that logic and proper discourse is not practiced by those who favor feminism and it's ever expanding and mutating ideologies so the only option remaining available to them is extreme anger and violent rhetoric.

    [–]AKnightAlone 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I agree with some shades of the ideas you present, but I feel you're conflating TRP with some sort of conservative anti-feminist misogyny.

    ...

    On second thought, your explanation is actually fitting for why people see TRP as being so negative. I completely agree that's very odd. That said, I'm having a difficult time coming to terms with all my positions on everything. I have no desire to tie society to past techniques if I sincerely believe other approaches are for the better. The issue is how difficult it is to consider myself supportive of both feminism and men's rights while simultaneously considering the facts about male suicide, labor differences, the unbalanced dating, homelessness, murder and abuse of females in relationships(and I wouldn't say it in /r/mensrights, but the scale seems tipped against women in this case,) male violence, female privileges, popularized first-world genital cutting, continuity of patriarchal businesses, etc. There is a certain freedom in accepting complementary role norms.

    I wish there was a way to work and practice toward a healthier and more humanistic society, but sex and dating is an evolutionary system. TRP approach is the tool that tends to work, even if most people are completely in denial of it.

    [–]BloodyPhallus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What are your thoughts on the importance of college for today's Generation Y's financial success? I think it's bullshit, but naturally having everyone I know telling me I'm wrong has me questioning my sanity.

    inserted a but

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    What are your thoughts on the importance of college for today's Generation Y's financial success?

    Not worth going if you're not doing STEM. So that's engineering and medicine. If you have family connections, then it's worth going for law and/or finance. Law and Finance are great if you're connected, otherwise, go fuck yourself.

    Everyone else is better off doing a blue collar trade or starting their own business (perhaps both) as that is where the money's at.

    No point being $100k in the hole so you can go and work at Starbucks and earn less than the guy with no student loan debt who is self-employed. Most degrees are not profitable. Most trade courses, where you can become someone's apprentice and work your way up however, are very profitable. If you're going to call yourself capitalists, get yourself out of that cultural Marxist indoctrination centre raping you of your time (opportunity cost) as well as your potential future earning potential (liberal arts degrees are worth jack shit now they're over-saturated) and go and get yourself doing something that pays without financially enslaving you in the process. Become a builder. A chef. An electrician. A plumber. Do some shit with your hands. Hardly any feminist influence there either, bitches don't like breaking nails or getting dirty.

    [–]Overkillengine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Plus many blue collar trades put you in a position to make home visits to houses with bored women who want something serviced.

    Make sure you bring the right tool.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My god, this is wonderful.

    [–]stoicassistant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    FYI, on your Dissecting the Red Pill Part 1, there are quite a few typos.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Old article. A lot of the older articles need a clean up. I'll get round to it.

    [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 31 points32 points  (9 children)

    Well let's break it down.

    1. Abusive -

    People define abuse differently, but the idea is basically harm. You're physically abusive if you physical cause harm to her. You're emotionally / mentally abusive if you cause harm to her emotions or psyche.

    So people call us emotionally abusive because we do things that could feasibly harm some girls emotions. IE if she's upset and flaring up about something, instead of supplicating to put her instantly in a satisfied mood, we would say just peace out and let her suffer from her negative emotions. Make it clear youre not her emotional care taker and when she's back to being a pleasant, feminine girl, you'll be back in the picture.

    That is abusive IF you define abusive as "promoting negative emotions / not forcing positive emotions upon her". We generally believe girls actually prefer the full range of the emotional spectrum and she doesn't actually want a guy who keeps her blissfully happy the whole time (she wants the drama, the roller coaster ride.) So yeah, if she wants the low, she can get the low - that is considered abusive by others, even though I maintain that's just how women are.

    Misogynistic - Yes, we're misogynistic in that we don't believe women and men are identical and equal. Women and men are different, the more we study it, the more we understand the differences and a lot of the wisdom behind traditionalist dichotomies of male / female identity. I personally would say I love women, because you must understand women to love them - one cannot love that which one does not know. We see women for what they are - humans - who are composed of some wonderful and some truly horrible qualities, just like men. The "wonderful" qualities of women - aka their femininity, their emotional intelligence, their ability to love and nurture, the polarity and fiery sexual chemistry they can have with the masculine, etc, that is all a beautiful thing that we do seek to appreciate.

    I would argue the rest of reddit is misogynist because you're saying "I love women, but I think of women as MEN, so really what I'm saying is I love men / myself." You don't love women, you love an illusion you've created in your mind based on the notion that men and women are the same.

    But I admit to being a misogynist by modern day standards, and I believe my life has been a lot better - as well as my GF's life - after I made this transition.

    Dickhead - Sure. I'm a dickhead. The funny thing I remember about growing up is that everyone who I was jealous of was a dickhead. The guys who got into the top schools, they were dickheads. The sports guys, they were dickheads. My teacher who failed me because I was lazy and I didn't want to step up and learn, he was a dickhead. Everyone who makes you uncomfortable and insecure about your own identity... is a dickhead. Think about it, which celebrities are considered raging dickheads or sociopaths? 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Kanye, etc - all the cool ones. Who were the biggest dickheads in HS? All the cool kids.

    [–]Kharn0 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I think you nailed it. Reddit hates us because we "abuse" women emotionally by not trying to make them feel better. Everything else is " neglect". Plus, we are misogynistic. We see women as inferior. Although personally I see it less as "inferior" and more "unstable".

    [–]billthane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I don't think consider women inferior, as I think everyone's different and there are a lot of girls who are better than a lot of guys and vice versa. And I think that women do deserve equal rights - read - equal opportunities. If I was born 100 years ago, I'd be a hero to feminists. Yet today, the feminists call me misogyniscic, as they want more than equality. It's telling that homosexuals want equal rights, while feminists want female rights. They're getting greedy about it.

    [–]220090 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    Because TRP doesn't ignore truth for the sake of societal niceties, and it just so happens that the truth that TRP espouses runs directly against the feminist lies that have perverted much of our society for the past 40 years. Also, most people arent'y like you and don't prefer to make up their own mind about things.

    Welcome to the community.

    [–]2NiftyDolphin 39 points40 points  (0 children)

    Ever call bullshit on a group of people's common behavior? They'll close ranks and counter-attack.

    [–]Wargame4life 49 points50 points  (3 children)

    Reddit in general is a magnet for socially awkward low status men, the exact type of person who follows and peddle bullshit SJW shite in order to promote themselves as progressive in the hope of helping them win favour and significance to others.

    What is true and valid in redditland is often quite the opposite in the real world.

    [–]rainbowhotpocket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Although unfortunately this mindset has become prevalent in the United States and other western countries. We have to proceed as if the institutions of society are such that if we aren't aware of their influence, we would be inculcated to the 'sjw' dogma.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 43 points44 points  (1 child)

    Because it's a threat to Feminism.

    The tactics of Feminism are the tactics of lying.

    It's really that simple.

    [–]PizzaismyJam 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    This is the TL;DR I was looking for.

    They don't want men to standup for themselves, because they can't manipulate using vagina/emotion anymore.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 15 points16 points  (6 children)

    Why does everyone assume we are abusive assholes?

    Because we tell men...

    • Get in shape
    • Eat Healthy
    • Socialize
    • Don't take shit from people
    • Stop pedestalizing pussy. There are over 6 billion pussies out there.
    • Don't get oneitis. See above, plenty of pussy out there.
    • Do not argue with women when they're emotional. Let them calm down before hitting them with logic so it'll process properly.

    [–]doritoesNcoffee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    One correction, there is 7 billion people in total on the planet.

    That means there are 3.5 billion pussies and not 6.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You're not counting the manginas and white knights as pussies (but not fuckable ones)... Then again all pussy that is 3/10 or lower wouldn't qualify as fuckable either.

    [–]TestosteroneFilled 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Do not argue with women when they're emotional.

    So we basically say never argue with women. Yup, Seems right.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    There are times when women will respond to logic... but it's not when her feeeeeeelings are cranked to 11 (which is why she's arguing with you in the first place). You have to wait until she returns to baseline to try to reason with a woman.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Look at it this way: women have been teaching each other how to play hard to get and manipulate men for as long as recorded history. Men on the other hand have been largely uneducated in the art of seduction. So you basically have two teams playing chess and while one team is highly trained and skilled the other team has no idea they're even playing.

    Women don't think we're abusive. That is just their favorite way of attacking us. They feel threatened by us because we are teaching men how to play the game. And they want an easy win.

    [–]Haus_of_Klaus 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Because the majority of people are idiots who like to make sweeping generalizations about ideas that differ from their own. A guy can post a paragraph summary of events and he'll be called an asshole by people who do not know anything about him or the entire situation. Most people do it because they have serious self-esteem issues and need to bring down others so everyone is a loser like them. Most cannot manage finances or do not have the motivation to get a better career, so they demand a rich athlete or celebrity be crucified to feel like they have some power in this world. Then they worship these same people the next day.

    But no one here cares what other subs think. They spend hours posting dumb fucking pictures they didn't create and circle jerking each other, instead of using that time to actually improve themselves.

    [–]BluepillProfessor 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    OP understands. Many choose not to understand.

    However, there is actually precious little "scientific merit" to The Red Pill because nobody has done experiments to verify some of these concepts.

    TRP is an entirely new method of conducting inquiry- taking the observations and reports of pickup artists and running them through online forums in an intense analysis is not exactly a series of controlled experiments. However, just because it is a new method of analysis doesn't make it invalid. It is more proper to say that TRP is based on observation than to say it is 'scientific.'

    Why is there an assumption that if you understand this material that you become an abusive, misogynistic dickhead?

    Because anything in Western culture that promotes masculinity and empowers men to be men is met by the feminists with howls of outrage. When you add that TRP is about getting women to have sex with you and the effectiveness of asshole game for that purpose the feminists howls turn into spitting rage.

    They cannot admit that men and women are really different, or that women are IMPOSSIBLE to please because of hypergamy and the dual mating strategy of women. It doesn't matter how good you are- if you are the ultimate Alpha Fuck they will pine for their Beta Bucks and if you are the ultimate Uber Beta who takes care of her she will lose sexual attraction, stop fucking you, and demand an Alpha Fuck. TRP shows that bending over backwards to please women is always a losing proposition. How could they not hate us?

    We are an existential threat to the entire social order of female dominance created by the feminists. They want to prattle on about "rape culture" while we want to figure out how to handle Last Minute Defenses. They want to complain about 'the wage gap' and other lies while TRP wants to expose the lies. They want to be swept up in the moment of sex but still be able to cry rape later if the guy doesn't call back while a lot of guys on TRP just want to pump and dump these bitches, leave them dripping and panting- and not call back the next day.

    The feminists bread and butter is social control. They have feminzed our education system, made it practically illegal to pick up a girl at a bar and have sex with her, and changed almost every single program on TV to an ode to the feminine imperative and/or an attack on fatherhood, masculinity, boys, or men. They have changed the culture so much that anything- and I mean ANYYTHING that threatens female primacy (though they would never admit it) is attacked as misogynistic.

    Hell, if you just say people should pay for their own damn birth control you are engaging in a "war on women." If you say you are religious and should not have to pay for women to murder their babies you "hate women." If you just stick your head up a tiny bit and take note of the destruction in our society that feminism has wrought you advocate "rape culture."

    [–]CSMastermind 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    However, there is actually precious little "scientific merit" to The Red Pill because nobody has done experiments to verify some of these concepts.

    It depends on which concept specifically we're talking about. Things like humans being mildly polygamous in our past or the fact that nearly all women in history have reproduced while only the top 20-30% of men have are both pretty well established in scientific literature. Here's some of those studies:

    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/11/2047.full

    http://www.genetics.org/content/170/4/1849.full

    http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/hartl/old_site/lab/publications/pdfs/Wilder-04-NatGen.pdf

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523489

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15317874

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18093995

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16100752

    The fact that men are significantly more diverse than women in almost every regard is observable in most data sets. Look at the distribution of IQs for instance.

    Most of the red pill "concepts" follow from these established facts.

    [–]BluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Also, the psychology literature has pretty much confirmed AF/BB. They call it the "Dual Mating Strategy" but I don't have citations.

    [–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Strawmen are easier to beat up on than the real deal. Combine that with a basal ego-investment in their worldview, making it emotionally painful to read stuff that disagrees with it (and would thus allow them to better understand their "opponent"), and you have folks that HAVE to shit on that strawman. They have no other choice for the sake of their own sanity.

    [–]IAmBecomePotato 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Yeah, I have no idea. My best friend keeps telling me to get off this sub-reddit because he thinks everyone on here is a sexist asshole who hates women. Which is weird because I'm a girl so you'd think it would be easy for him to swallow the pill if I say it isn't sexist and makes a lot of sense.

    [–]hohamocha 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Trp is sexist. But sexism isn't all that bad when you realize the genders aren't meant to be equal. This just the reality of human nature

    [–]Gucci_do_the_dishes 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    there does seem to be a few 12 year olds on power fantasies

    I love this community, but there are users here that are straight up bizarre. I think socially awkward people are drawn here, and some of them go into turbo-RP-mode and become angry, disillusioned, and remain just as weird. Then they go around acting strangely and spooking people and then come here to post about the stoic, powerful man they've become. My takeaway from RP is that it's up to you to make the life you want to live, not to stomp the weaklings into dust or whatever the fuck.

    [–]yourbrainwashed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Any time you say anything bad about the corrupt family court system in the US you must be a woman hater. Women deserve six figure divorce settlements. She sat home on her ass for 20 years raising the kids? It's the hardest job on planet you abusive asshole! Don't be a mysoginist! But in reality, the family courts are corrupt http://www.weightiermatter.com/law/california-coalition-opens-round-two-family-court-racketeering-case/3845/

    [–]TheLazyLibertarian 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I think one of the things that turns people off most (aside from the occasional misogynistic rant) is the rampant generalization of all women into some sort of homogeneous group, like they're all superficially different on the surface, but underneath essentially the same. It's understandable that people wouldn't like being considered interchangeable like this.

    I understand why this happens, lazy language. For the most part, when this sub says "women are..." it really means "MOST women are..." but it's annoying to have to point out that there are exceptions every time you make an assertion so it often get omitted. Still, qualifiers (all, some, most, etc.) are important if you want to be precise with your language.

    [–]thisjibberjabber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, it's purposeful. There have been explanations of the reasons; the link at the top of the page "Do not concern troll" touches on some of them.

    In a nutshell I think it's that the mods don't want to be overwhelmed by feminists/ blue pill types trying to co opt the sub. By using language that is offensive to them, it makes it harder for them to blend in and co opt.

    I'm not 100% convinced it's the best tactic, but I respect what they're trying to do.

    [–]ConstantWpierdol 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    You know, in our society it is generally acceptable that sex is a resource that men "buy" and women "sell". Therefore, most of the women have sex within snap of the finger (whether they are attractive or not), while almost all men have to "pursue" them and treat them like fucking princesses in order to get access to the pussy.

    And this world order is for women comfortable as fuck. They bang basically whoever they want, they are constantly adored by at least a couple of men while having benefits from this.

    Men from the red pill show the middle finger and do what they want. They overcome these rules and lead a happy life despite what society thinks.

    And women are rebellious about this, because they want to 'defend' this comfortable way things are.

    Men are having sex for free? Men are leading happy life?! What the fuck, this is outrageous!!! We have to do something with this as quickly as possible!

    This is more or less how I see it.

    Excuse me if this post sounds like bullshit in some places, but my English is still far away from perfect and I'm tired.

    [–]phe_nom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Because censoring something that conflicts with your beliefs is easier than changing those beliefs.

    [–]Anon_Dutch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Is it really that had to understand? I'd liken BP/RP to religion/atheism. Here's a cartoon illustrating my point: http://i.imgur.com/T5qBoyh.jpg

    [–]1Mikesapien 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    When you discuss TRP around blue-pillers, it's like bringing up atheism around religious folks. It simply does not compute. You can't reason with emotions any more than you can put out fire with a wrench.

    [–]WillClickOnAnything 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    I would flip that analogy around personally. The religious folks, in my experience, are more prone to preach to the atheist and convert them, or pray for their soul. How an ardent atheist (/r/atheism posters for example) treats a religious person is a lot more similar I think to what we're talking about.

    [–]Christian_Kong 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I will get downvoted for this likely but because some posts certainly or blatantly have a misogynistic vibe to them(this includes troll posts).

    This sub is very anti feminist. While I think not all feminist views are bad(many will disagree here but I feel certain feminist ideology deal or show concern for real world issues), many here are staunch anti feminist. The feminists dont like this. The most fucked up feminists; which also usually happen to be the most vocal are threatened and therefor go out of their way to trash this sub and its ideology. The super fems are more likely to make up things, embellish, and do whatever it takes to make this sub look bad. Other people hear about this and dont research it, they just hear enough bad press to where the believe that this sub is all women hating/abusing assholes. I was directed here by SJW's cause they said I belong here, and I guess they were right.

    This sub is about self improvement in a lot of ways. It deals with winning in the game of life rather than being a non participant amongst people that are actively playing life(and yours) to their advantage.

    I would wager that a lot of the post are about people that are sick of/learning to not take shit from ANYONE, not just women(though this seems to be a focus.) This is what this sub means to me.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I'll admit I'm on the far edge of being "too far" for even Red Pill.

    This subreddit needs to actually slow guys like me down because I'll post things that are 100% honest, but have none of the softening code words that people use to get below the Feminist radar.

    Even here on Red Pill there are limits.

    I've found those limits... and that's fine, I'm not into total anarchy and am willing to tone it down for the greater good of the Red Pill community.

    It's a tough balance between expressing honest emotion (anger sometimes) verses staying "safe" under the radar.

    My name might have been better as "RedPillDanger". :)

    [–]1IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Why is there an assumption that if you understand this material that you become an abusive, misogynistic dickhead?

    Because there are people whose interests directly conflict with the ideologies espoused by TRP. These people (mostly feminists) want power, and TRP tells them that the men get the power because net happiness increases this way, but they don't care about that, they want power for themselves, and fuck anyone who stands in their way (if you're a certain purple-haired "game" developer, this goes literally too).

    TRP has been the subject of a massive slander campaign by quite a few of the feminist subreddits, since reddit is basically a massive hive mind/lemming train, once you start getting downvoted, you'll keep getting downvoted.

    [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Because feminism is ubiquitous and ideologies are often treated like religions by their adherents, I.e., don't offend my religion, I'm sensitive, boo hoo. TRP isn't abrasive, it's bluepillers, white knights and feminists getting butthurt when the are challenged or told they are wrong. TRP is like secularism and feminism is like a religion - why? Because feminism is based on the belief that biology and evolutionary psychology doesn't matter, and TRP is based on observing reality.

    [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I always wonder the same thing, according to other people we are all rapists that are going to end up in jail.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    TRP gets such a bad rap because as in any "culture" "subculture" or "group" whatever you want to define it as.. If one person acts out of line, and spouts off some ridiculous offensive bullshit.. People like to think that everyone in that particular group acts that way. There's plenty of morons on this sub who get that job done.

    If people had to read the sidebar, that would mean they would have to do work in order to bitch and complain about TRP and get their up vote-validation from the rest of reddit. The people who actually take the time to read this stuff understand that it's not about misogyny, racism, or whatever else the rest of the world WANTS to believe. It's about bettering yourself into the type of person that people want to be around, which leads to success with dating, work, friendships etc..

    I think that a lot of the posters here should really tone down on the "all women are sluts" mindset. Do you really think that having that view is going to help you get laid? It's probably going to repulse the women around you, reinforcing you to come back here and waste more time whining about how "all women are sluts". Have you ever thought that women enjoy sex just as much as men and that people are free to express that? If someone's sexual habits turn you off, congratulations you have a filter for who you desire to be around and date. Stop focusing on things you can't control.

    [–]ohsweetword 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    We don't fit the mold on reddit. Most guys on here basically just go along with the feminist/SJW brainwashing and question nothing.

    They have to vilify us or they would lose worker bees for their agendas.

    It's fine though. Usually when guys have nowhere to turn they come here and it makes the transition more important.

    Try it. Post some non-feminist viewpoints on popular subs. You will be downgraded and attacked, mostly by beta males trying to score points. It doesn't matter how mature or correct your argument is either.

    [–]SOwED 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I prefer to make my own mind up about things

    This is a huge part of the reason. I stumbled upon /r/thebluepill last week and saw a post from someone asking if he was in the right place. He was unsure of what each side meant, and the responses in the comments were ridiculous. They were just blind bias against TRP.

    My point is that it's just easier to enter a bunch of people saying this is what we believe and if you believe it too, we'll support you than to think critically.

    [–]Onislayer64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    People love to lie to them selves so many people wan't to believe in "there is someone out there for you" rather than accept the reality that life is not all rainbows and kittens

    [–]Devvils 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Because they think the sole purpose here is to learn how to string 10 women along at the some time. That does not fit with some agendas.

    Well there are a lot of people here who just want tips on living a better life. There are certain behaviour patterns that some women have, just are there are typical male bahaviours. This just highlights them & how to react. Its no more offensive than /r/depression or /r/raisedbynarcissists .

    [–]SheepKing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    it's not supporting women neither putting them on a pedestal, that's why

    [–]Coolfuckingname 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Hi. Long comment to follow.

    Im old enough to remember feminism back when it was a new word that had to be explained when you mentioned it. This was the 70s. Everybody, women included, shit on the feminists at every opportunity. Everyone called them stupid, childish, socially deviant, trouble makers.

    But they kept on pressing their point that women should have the same rights as men. And, year by year, group by group, individual by individual, the culture changed to accept it. Now equal rights is basically a pretty self obvious thing that most sane people think, " Yeah. Sure. Of course we should treat women as of equal value and rights as men."

    I won't comment on what feminism has morphed into in the last 10 years, but i no longer can, in clear conscience, call myself a feminist anymore. I just call it "Psudo Feminism" and criticize it for its obvious faults. It seems to me that women are just adopting more and more of the shitty behavior that men have always been rightly criticized for.

    What I've been noticing about "Redpill" culture or "Masculinism" is that it feels exactly like Feminism did in 1975 or so. Demonized, marginalized, laughed at, hated. I think 2015 is going to be a year of mens issues being treated with a bit more seriousness, just as feminism did 40ish years ago.

    I just hope mens issues can keep something of a semblance of constructive positivity and not degenerate into women hating abusiveness. Thats what I've seen in some sections of psudo feminism toward men, where its equally wasteful of otherwise useful energy.

    I hope our culture can come to some sort of understanding and respect for both genders, and all the queer folk in-between.

    TLDR Feminism and Redpill both are getting the same treatment from society. Be good men.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It's a shaming tactic.

    When someone calls me an "asshole", you know what I hear?

    "I don't like what you're doing, but I am powerless to stop it."

    [–]anonlymouse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Everyone says that we're mysoginist assholes, so a) most people just accept that and don't verify for themselves and b) when they do verify they're looking for stuff that confirms their perception (there is a lot).

    Suggesting that they read the sidebar isn't going to help - that's not what will make them change their mind. What I found did work is pointing out that the red pill helped clear the resentment I felt towards my first girlfriend - that it actually helped me appreciate women more rather than increasing my animosity towards them. That goes completely counter to what they expect, so they have to stop and think about it. If you say it has scientific merit, that doesn't change anything - you can be a misogynist asshole with or without scientific support.

    [–]1kingofpoplives 9 points10 points  (54 children)

    This seems terribly intellectually dishonest to me.

    LOL

    This is the nature of leftist thinking. Science is a wonderful tool for beating down ideas they wish to exterminate (Christianity for instance). It becomes "dangerous" and "cover for sexism and bigotry" when it is used to challenge leftist ideas.

    Intellectual honesty isn't permitted within 1000 yards of their cherished beliefs.

    [–]iggybdawg 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    This is the nature of leftist thinking.

    You mean all ideological thinking. Leftist, Rightist. Feminist. Every political party. Every religion.

    The basic core of the red pill is to ignore factoids that aren't supported by measurable data. Reals before feels. "Left vs Right" is playing you by your emotions just as much as feminism does with "man vs women".

    The only thing Christianity got right was the positive side effects monogamy gives to society, but they're totally wrong to enforce it using shame and brainwashing.

    [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 10 points11 points  (49 children)

    That has nothing to do with leftism, per se. Unless you want to defend global warming denial on the right? There is a word, feminism, that covers it neatly. You can be a leftist and anti-feminist. There are rightwing feminists. Don't conflate discrete ideological concepts.

    [–]svogliate 8 points9 points  (7 children)

    The left has brought us the welfare state, chronic disability payments for people with occasional headaches, iterative cash bonuses for out-of-wedlock babies, 6.8% student loans for valueless degrees in womyn's studies, tax codes that make divorce cost-effective, alimony for no-fault divorce, mandatory child support for products of adultery, perversion of community property laws, widespread drug abuse, and an ever-expanding legal definition of felony rape that encompasses consensual behaviors that were normal ten years ago.

    RP leftists have a lot to answer for.

    [–]ProjectShamrock 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    The left has brought us the welfare state, chronic disability payments for people with occasional headaches, iterative cash bonuses for out-of-wedlock babies, 6.8% student loans for valueless degrees in womyn's studies, tax codes that make divorce cost-effective, alimony for no-fault divorce, mandatory child support for products of adultery, perversion of community property laws, widespread drug abuse, and an ever-expanding legal definition of felony rape that encompasses consensual behaviors that were normal ten years ago.

    RP leftists have a lot to answer for.

    As a redpill leftist, I'd say that a lot of what you're complaining about are bad implementations of good things, and others are simply taking things too far. The things I like that the left brings about are things like safe workplaces, food and drug standards, the ability to survive if I become unable to work, public education, etc.

    It would be very easy for me to criticize the right in a biased way too. I could say that the right is all about starting wars to benefit corporate interests as opposed to national interest, weakening democracy and creating an oligarchy by allowing corruption under the guise of campaign finance and other methods, weakening environmental, health, and safety laws to benefit corporate interests, etc.

    The reality of the situation is that both the left and right are not caricatures. Even our politicians on either side aren't cartoon bad guys. Obama isn't Cobra Commander and Bush wasn't Megatron. I'd argue that the voters on each side have legitimate concerns and stupid ideas at the same time, usually in direct contrast with each other (meaning that when one side has a good idea, the other side has an opposite idea that is stupid.) It takes two diametrically opposed forces to create balance. Unfortunately, I think our government is too corrupt for that to function as designed, but that's getting into another topic.

    [–]TomBongadil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If you are stuck arguing about leftist vs rightist then you've fallen into the mindset that worlds leaders want you to. Look at the thousands of people arguing about petty definitions of feminism and whether men and women are equal. Meanwhile "the left" and "the right", who are paid by the same people, keep the war machine going

    [–]xantris 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    The rights not any better. The aim should always be somewhere in the middle.

    [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    No. The aim should be for the truth. That is not always 'the middle'. Real life is not an episode of Southpark.

    [–]WillClickOnAnything 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    That has nothing to do with leftism, per se.

    Yes, it does.

    You can be a leftist and anti-feminist.

    Maybe, but for how long? The TRP path is an intellectually honest one and you will slowly realize it has implications that reach far beyond the relationship between men and women.

    [–]xantris 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Anyone that describes themselves as purely leftist or rightist is probably an idiot, because both extremes are fucking retarded in their own special ways.

    A reasonable person will have beliefs that come from a wide range of spectrums based upon common sense, facts, and experience.

    [–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I concur. I didn't say I'm radical left though. I just vote left of centre, which in the UK is the Greens since labour have up on leftwing politics and the Lib dems are a pack of liars and Tory enablers.

    [–]ProjectShamrock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    There is a word, feminism, that covers it neatly. You can be a leftist and anti-feminist.

    I am often labeled a leftist, and on many topics I am. My view of current "equality" movements is that they are misguided. Women shouldn't have to worry about honor killings and being beaten up and whatnot, and they should be taken seriously as human beings. However, that doesn't mean that they are completely equivalent to men in every way. I think it's ok to be different, which is something socially liberal people claim to embrace. Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses, and society can benefit as a whole by facing reality and working with those traits.

    [–]Douknowthemulletman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    it's not politically correct to stand up for yourself. If you want to be right, you better be sorry.

    [–]Misogyny_Hero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Oh, they know it's true. If you talk about it from another perspective they eat it up. Mention it's from here and people will think you're a rapist. SJW's and the people of reddit (95% are retards who can't think for themselves) love shittin on this sub.

    [–]1wantonton 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    It's all about control. Control the information and presentation and you control the people. RP is against the prevailing cultural/political/religious/advertising/academic messages. Therefore, RP must be attacked by purveyors of the prevailing messages.

    Scientific and logical attacks have to fail given RP's truth (it isn't all true, but has a lot of truth). Plus most of those following the prevailing messages lack the education and/or the self awareness necessary to evaluate scientific and logical arguments.

    The only other alternative is to level personal attacks. You don't want to be a misogynistic RPer just as you do not want to be an evil communist Ruskie.

    [–]WillClickOnAnything 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    RP is against the prevailing cultural/political/religious/advertising/academic messages.

    I disagree about religion. TRP has helped me understand the wisdom behind Christianity. It answered the "Why?" for me.

    [–]1wantonton 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    i meant modern western mainstream religion.

    [–]WillClickOnAnything 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Right, Christianity. I was raised Catholic and as I like to put it they raised it right out of me. I saw religion as a tool to control the weak willed and spurned it as many do nowadays. Turns out I was right but I didn't understand the reason for it. Now I do. It has me questioning all of it again and I don't know where I stand now to be honest. Do I believe in God? No, but I am definitely more understanding of religion. Hell, TRP sure makes Islam make a lot more sense.

    [–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I tried to defend the scientific honour of theredpill the other day

    I had a similar experience a few months back and it made me come here just to see if my aggressors were justified.

    Long story short- my resolve is stronger than ever for TRP.

    Also, I think we appreciate the sentiment of your post so thanks Bro.

    [–]guymanthing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    We don't advertise for ourselves. You'll never see an ad saying "Stuck in the friendzone? we've got the fix for you" or something along the lines of that sponsored by anyone who is for TRP. The only time TRP is mentioned is by feminists who slander us. But that my friends, is our strength. We do not have to advertise because when guys hear feminists talking about how "terrible" we are, they are intrigued, and their curiosity is piqued. They come here expecting the worst, but are surprised to find themselves identifying with the ideology we have to offer. They dive deeper, and apply these such ideas and strategies in their interactions successfully.

    That is why we get a bad rap, because those who would rather have others form their views tend to be the most vocal.

    [–]1CaptainFalconer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You need Power to be abusive.

    This sub is about giving you Power.

    The implicit assumption is that men can't be trusted with excess Power in a relationship. (I.e. Feminism)

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    why the redpill exists, and why feminism came to be and what it had become are things modern society does not fully grasp at the moment.

    it's a temporal dissonance. but things will change as damage becomes more apparent later on.

    TheRedPill doesn't give a shit, really.

    The idea of a self sufficient man that doesn't give a shit and works to improve himself is both frightening and alluring. Openly discussing these things will understandably attract those who would want to stand in your way.

    it's generally recommended not to flail the red pill label, and to pursue a life of improvement, unless you really have something good to say.

    not to put you down, you would have done that person more good by keeping TRP to yourself and just letting him know the tactic, or privately sent him links.

    [–]skyclown[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    He brought it up and dismissed it, that's why I felt compelled to reply to him.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    you're a kind man. don't worry too much about protecting TRP. it will take care of itself.

    We all have to stand the test of time, and a good thesis, which is what TRP is, will stand the test of time, regardless of what people will say about it.

    some will dismiss it, others will find use if it, - it's all good - we will never force it down anyone's throat, unlike what our counterparts do.

    [–]WillClickOnAnything 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Personally, I blame a lot of the vitriol we see on MRA posters. There's a lot of overlap between MRA and TRP unfortunately. MRAs tend to be a LOT more vocal. (whiny bitches imo)

    [–]StattMan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Same reason people think 4chan are lethal hackers. They can't be bothered to see for themselves.

    [–]zuk1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    see what? that 4chan are pervy weirdos instead? lol

    [–]BedlamStatesman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    4chan are the ebil Anonymoose

    TRP are teh evil misoguhnists

    Both are profiles portrayed by the Popular Media, whether NBC, Gawker, or other media outlets. A shame that people that used to be known for not taking things at face value ("Trust, but Verify") now eat up Mediaspeak like it's the Party-line coming straight out of the Kremlin.

    [–]squishles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Because people have been told being honest on this subject is mean, and that is a very difficult to undo, with no real reward.

    [–]GhostOfAladdin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There is this one emotion, and it is called Fear. It is really scary to become redpill, but once you do, it isnt scary at all. It just is.

    False Evidence Appearing Real

    [–]ont_anon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    There is a short parable in a book that I own which, unfortunately, I cannot find online. To paraphrase:

    A gentleman was sitting on a park bench, enjoying the day and feeding the birds when another man, dressed in a fine suit and appearing well-mannered stopped to ask if he might join the man.

    After sitting down, the two began a lengthy and lively conversation on a variety of current affairs. The first man, utterly impressed with the second asked politely, "If you don't mind telling me, sir, what is your name?"

    "Why, I am the Devil!"

    "The Devil?!" exclaimed the first man, "You cannot be! For the Devil is nasty and grotesque, a horrible creature!"

    "Ah," said the Devil, as he smiled, "You have simply been speaking to my detractors."

    [–]BedlamStatesman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Interesting thing, regarding Lucifer. For all of his popular portrayal as Mr. Big, Red, and Scary, they seem to like to forget that Lucifer was the "Morning Star", "The Most Beautiful Angel of All", and so many other titles. Everything about his character, as portrayed in Christian scriptures, speaks to him being extremelyt charming and charismatic...funny how the concepts Lucifer is supposed to represent (Knowledge, Independence, and a refusal to bow down to Authority for Authority's sake) are so demonized that they have turned him into a literal demon in the process.

    It's almost like Radical Fems and the men they detract so often...sooner or later, some of those men are going to just decide they may as well act the way they're treated. And through that action, the mentality becomes ingrained.

    [–]aa223 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    People just don't like the idea of a men's club which teaches men to better themselves unless a lady is in that space. So with that we are apparently misogynist and hate women. You would think people would read what we are about and read a bit of the sidebar before coming to a conclusion.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Reddit is a hive of pompous closed minded hypocrites masquerading as progressive intellectuals

    [–]fap_the_pain_away 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Crabs in a bucket.

    They lack the courage to look the truth in the eye, and hate that we can. So if anyone dares display their emotional strength with their ability to handle truths, however unpleasant, then the crabs get together and verbally bludgeon you back down to their level so as not to feel inadequate themselves.

    It's the same reason why religious people get "offended" when you discuss scientific facts that contradict their holy books. They can't accept that death is real because they lack the strength to accept it. So they hate you for your ability to face it.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    They've seen too many Meg Ryan films.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Take this advice. Never bring up anything you read here in your real life discussions. Practice, don't preach.

    It's not ludicrous and it's not that hard to understand as to why the majority hates this. You're an atheist in a Catholic community. You have your reason and logic that shakes the very foundation that others have based their lives on. They feel insulted, ridiculed. Angry. An angry person is not open to reason anymore.

    Also, just found this on reddit frontpage "The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it". Just go along with what they say. It's simply not worth arguing.

    [–]NoFatChicks88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Reddit's karma system is a perfect example of herd-mentality. People don't like thinking for themselves. They'll take 2 seconds to read a post and instantly decide to upvote/downvote without actually taking the time to think about what was said on a deeper level. Critical thinking is near extinct on Reddit, and a lot of it has to do with the layout and what we've become accustomed to these days (rapid absorption of mass amounts of media -- i.e. read the headline and move on).

    Also, feminism is still much more popular than men's issues/life strategy, so it's pretty common to dismiss anyone that has a RP mentality as being some kind of chauvinist pig. Most guys don't want to hear it out. TRP is something you need to discover on your own, for the most part.

    That being said, there's always going to be bad apples in any group, right? Some guys here do sound a little too vindictive. However, it's not uncommon for extremist/wrong views to be shut down by other RPers and I see it pretty regularly actually. Don't let one thread speak on behalf of everyone here. It's a big group.

    [–]Ko7a 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I have never hit a woman and never will, I have changed my life to more red pill lifestyle, and still hold dominance. However, I hold ground and have several times told my current SO that I will leave in a heart beat if I get hit by her even once. I will never cheat or hit her, so that right there makes me better than any guy she has ever dated or even thought about dating. You hold yourself to high standards, such as not hitting or cheating on women, and you can hold them to high standards.

    She used to be a hitter, just hit you out of nowhere on the arm over a joke you told, one of those. I told her if she ever strikes me I'll leave right then and there, no matter what. I asked her if she wanted to throw away a relationship over something that petty. Hasn't even jokingly hit me since.

    I also got her to completely stop smoking, to agree to never get a shitty tattoo, to never get a piercing other than her current ones on her ears (not even on her belly button), to everything I've wanted from her, all with assertive dominant RP behavioral change.

    Note: I changed to TRP AND THEN she came into my life, I was incel for a longgggggggggg time until I found TRP.

    Also it's very hard to not cheat when you're attractive and in a relationship. It takes a lot of willpower for a man, and you can use it to get what you want from your girl. She will be whatever you want her to be, you just have to set grounds, treat her like you would your future teenager.

    [–]bigbuzd1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Same reason atheists are equal to satanists. Demonization of the ideas they don't believe in, or are ignorant of. IMHO.

    [–]xantris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    if there is one thing feminists excel at, it's social media slander and shaming tactics. They're the biggest bullies on the social media scene, and they're experts at it.

    [–]Ojisan1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    seems terribly intellectually dishonest

    It is, but that's how people operate when logic and reason are not on their side.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    they equated it with breaking a horse

    That one comes from me I think. I said getting back to being the leader of your household and getting your wife to trust you is like breaking a horse. You need the horse and your wife to trust you in order to progress. If either one thinks that you are going to hurt them then you aren't going to make much headway. If you try to break a horse by overpowering it instead of gaining its trust you have a lot of hell in front of you just like if you try to wrestle leadership in your relationship away from your wife without proving yourself trustworthy it's going to end badly.

    [–]Mouthpiece 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The ad hominem attacks come from people who fear that we are correct, and the truth of what we believe threatens their own worldview and positions in life.

    If you think about how the red pill shift the power dynamic between men and women, you'll understand why so many women have a vested interest in shaming, silencing, and otherwise marginalizing us.

    They don't want the other guys to catch on, and the best way for them to do that just divert attention from what we believe about misrepresent what we believe.

    Because, once guys like you actually take the time to learn what we do believe, they realize how much truth is contained in it. That's the reason for all the handwaving, red herrings, and smoke and mirrors on the other side.

    [–]1critter_about_towne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think you started off right when it comes to understanding this perspective - you read the sidebar instead of reading a few nasty (and probably tongue-in-cheek) comments and reacting with disgust, as so many others do.

    I have a method I use to evaluate controversial topics. If there is something I'm curious about, such as evolutionary psychology (the root of red pill), veganism, primal diets/lifestyle, that sort of thing. I look at it's detractors. I read what they have to say, and don't limit myself to their worst representatives, instead trying to find the most solid arguments as well as the popular ones (often not the same).

    I look for reasoning errors, fallacies, bad arguments, intellectual honesty or dishonesty in their positions. Then I look at the arguments for the 'ism' I'm interested in, but by and large the quality of the arguments of those who are against it predicts the quality of the idea itself.

    By seeing the intellectual dishonesty, you have started staring down the rabbit hole.

    [–]trpmdsrfggts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    We are the rapist virgins

    We are the 30 year-old neckbeards who live in their mother's basements who exploit countless wymyn

    We are the low-lifes who control the western world

    We are the pathetic faggots who steal your GFs

    We are TRP!!!

    ...

    In all honesty I think that it's because people just don't like the message so they try to demonize the messenger. Half of the things they say about TRP directly contradict the other half.

    [–]Shigglyboo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My guess would be the talk about plate spinning how women are good for nothing except sex. That's certainly not the prevailing mentality. I have a friend who said to me "you subscribe to redpill"? as if it were a terrible thing. I tried to explain ultimately that it's about being a better man which leads to having a better and more fulfilling life.

    [–]1favours_of_the_moon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They project their secret fantasies onto us.