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[–]FrenchMaybe 68 points69 points  (8 children)

I willingly help dudes in /r/asktrp so it bothers me when I see those types of posts in /r/theredpill

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 33 points34 points  (3 children)

I freely admit to not spending a whole bunch of time over there, but I probably should. Keeping /r/asktrp relevant, active, and vibrant will in turn keep /r/theredpill at a much higher quality level of content and knowledge.

[–]Entrefut 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm really liking the idea of more well thought out post on the thread. I'm guilty of making low quality posts on here that could have definitely gone on /r/askTRP. Now that I think about it I realize the reason I did it was because I was afraid the post wouldn't get as much strong attention from the people I really wanted it to over on /r/asktrp. I'm going to be heading over there more often as well.

Keeping the junk out and keeping this sub full of new sidebar worthy material would be an amazing step forward. Keeping the red pill network organized and strict would be a great way to keep this sub high quality, but being a part of network that works far and wide.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think most people feel that way about asktrp. MODs, perhaps a large link to askTRP at the top of the page would be a good move, at least for a while so newcomers are more aware. And perhaps removing the Ask flair (along with the off topic flair, wasn't this change already proposed?)

[–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S,M] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think most people feel that way about asktrp. MODs, perhaps a large link to askTRP at the top of the page would be a good move

May consider adding it to the body of text when you make a new submission.

"If you have a question, submit it to /r/asktrp. Posting it in /r/theredpill will get you banned!" or something similar.

[–]thepolicy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

FWIW, your posts and the posts of others in /r/asktrp have helped me a lot. I feel like it's my primer spot before I start having the insight and action to post here. So thank you.

[–]FrenchMaybe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem, I actually have 2 TRP accounts so I help people a lot more than it may appear under my comment history.

[–]Nerf_Circus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I report any non-rhetorical questions on /r/TheRedPill. There is a sub for that, keep it their.

[–]MCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 44 points45 points  (6 children)

To provide some context:

MachRed is much less patient than I, but that's because he spends more time modding. When I get bored of all the stupid, low-effort shit, I go log into another account and look at kitten pictures.

I like kitten pictures.

MachRed, however, is more consistently wielding his shovel, and trust me, you have no fucking idea how much shoveling you have to do to mod a sub of almost 100K people, especially one as controversial and hated as TRP.

A quick ban might seem like the power-trip of a martinet, but it's actually the exasperation of a very, very tired janitor.

[–]IceColdTang 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Have you guys considered bringing some of the older redpillers as mods? There's an average of 8k subscribers per mod, that's a lot of shit to go through.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Everyone can contribute. The best thing you can do is report posts that break the subreddit guidelines. Send the offending content right into the sights of the mods so they can blast it with ease.

[–]greatGoD67 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Too many mods fucks things up. There are a reasonable amount of Mods here.

[–]xiko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only because the guy is a redpiller it doesn't mean that he is going to be a good mod. And being a mod is like a job.

[–]ChoppinTheTarts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've no doubt that the mods, including yourself, have quite a job moderating such a sub as this and I applaud you for it but I don't believe smart decisions are made when one is exasperated and tired do you?

I am all for quality posts and removing those that are not and doing all the things that you have to do to help keep this sub what it is supposed to be but what the mod of this post outlined does not sound like the RP you or I want.

For a message which spoke of removing emotion in general from this sub (which I agree with) this post would have been much more succinct in following that rule.

[–]demilitarizdsm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really a pity the older guys with more RP knowledge end up doing more grunt, or "janitors" work. I'm surprised more newbies aren't told to read the sidebar THEN go to asktrp. I go there and I see people interacting on the more newbie level and its amazing. I think that has alot to do with the lack of seniority. No one feeling they've been around too long to be above others. No one frustrated by topics being revisited.

[–]ShinyBrah 67 points68 points  (16 children)

Good thinking. TRP is becoming more and more popular; certain steps need to be taken to maintain it's high quality. This place has had Seddit-tier betas walking in and shitting up the place for a while, props for doing something about it. Lurk moar, read the side bar and actually understand what the sub is about. If you come into a thread and ask what SMV is (this actually happened not too long ago), then you obviously shouldn't be posting at all.

Earn your place here with quality posts, we don't care to hear about your height-related insecurities 24/7 or to see you re-post an article with only one sentence accompanying it.

We're not some sort of liberal, "everyone gets a medal!" kind of sub, bring value or shut the fuck up until you can.

[–]Draki1903 10 points11 points  (8 children)

A currently trending post about James Blunt by /u/tingletingle is literally what you said NOT to do - a link with two sentences worth of commentary. So there's that.

[–]MCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

And behold... it has vanished.

[–]fortyfourmag 7 points8 points  (4 children)

That said, I was glad to read that information about James Blunt and was glad I saw that post. In what other sub would I find something like that?

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 6 points7 points  (1 child)

There is nothing wrong with posting that information. The problem with the post was the lazy fucking commentary on part of the OP. It's akin to throwing a news article at the community without explaining why it has value or why it should be read.

[–]fortyfourmag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I get that. And I have no problem either way, Im not a mod and this is not my sub. But, some things can be said in 20 words instead of 1000, including this post I think.

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    [–]ShinyBrah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Are you referring to how I commented on it? I just wanted to comment on how the music industry generally works, nothing more. I do agree that the OP could elaborate more. Maybe add his own thoughts in too?

    [–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah I agree with adding his own thought to this and maybe even expanding on it's relevance to the music industry and how men who survive and thrive there generally have a large amount of RP theory backing them. The post could have been made excellent by more than one example of artists spitting the truth. Either way, the post was solid validation of TRP by a high value man.

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        [–]Hatorader 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        This new policy kind of sucks for the people that have been here a long time though. One wrong thing and you're banned even though you've been here years? I say stupid things all the time.

        edit: But you're right, TRP has gone a little astray from before. This place has helped me with some horrible female experiences and helped me not give a fuck even more than I already didn't. Here's to the future of TRP!

        [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Apparently the old policy was a ban after 2 fuckups. (Which requires bookkeeping by the mods I guess.) It's not like one could have been regularly fucking up and still be here anyway, according to OP.

        [–]SingAlong_Original 32 points33 points  (9 children)

        Imma say it.

        Stop bitching about feminism and how much harder women have it.

        The best advice I've ever received was from my pissed off grandpa when i was 13 complaining about field work. "A real man doesn't complain."

        So man the fuck up, stop complaining about feminism, accept its bullshit, accept that the world is bullshit and not fair (nobody told you that life was gonna be equal), and realize that just because you know some red pill or anything you're still not a special little snow flake. You never have been.

        The real end to feminism is gonna be when they shoot themselves in the foot and piss off the main stream.

        I think we should remove "blue pill example" for a little bit and start removing any shit that's a butt hurt man who hasn't realized that the world isn't fair and is complaining about it.

        Tl;dr: stop being such whiney little bitches and man the fuck up.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 30 points31 points  (2 children)

        Gonna disagree about removing BP Example flair. These posts, if presented effectively, can be just as valuable as RP posts, provided that they are presented in a quality fashion. If they are less "complaining" and more "learn a lesson" from a real-life anecdote, then they are contributive in nature.

        I personally think they would be more valuable if "BP Example" posts were drawn from real life examples of TRP subs who fell into BP behavior, identified it, recognized their failure, and proposed/shared ways that they would avoid this behavior in the future.

        The BP posts that simply crosslink shit from /r/relationships and /r/2XC, on the other hand, I believe are becoming increasingly worthless. We already know most men have no balls. I'm concerned about improving the men who have come here, and are actively trying to improve, and using their "blue pill examples" as an aid to the RP community.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        If they are less "complaining" and more "learn a lesson" from a real-life anecdote, then they are contributive in nature.

        The lesson of life is to learn from mistakes. The secret of life is that the mistakes you learn from don't have to be your own.

        [–]Jf5ve 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This here. This is a place of learning, examples from real life situations, stories from personal experience of how you yourself have piled your head from the sand and acknowledged your behaviour and what you have done to change it are worth the read. The cross posts from the other subs you mention I feel are not needed to show a blue pill example, it seems that those other subs themselves are the example themselves. Those subs themselves ARE the example, want to know what not to do, go there, if you want to know what to do, read here.

        There are incredible things to be learned from this sub, I'm thankful for the general quality of posts compared to the clickbait drivel of many others and feel this change will only see an increase in the quality.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Stop bitching about feminism and how much harder women have it.

        This is two points, and I rather disagree with the former (I assume you meant how much easier women have it). Your argument about bitching about gender advantages is warranted. There's no sense in simply complaining, it's non-masculine and pointless.

        With regards to feminism, there's very much a real need to be aware of it. It's not so much complaining as it is being made aware of the very real danger that is feminism encroaching its way into law. I've known some very strong, alpha men get utterly destroyed by feminist legal systems. You'd be a fool to simply ignore that danger.

        There are few places on the internet outside of TRP where ripping apart feminism is welcomed.

        [–]SingAlong_Original 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        My main point is the awareness is needed. But this is a place of overcoming the social bull shit, not a place for constant rant about another spectrum of society.

        Their are rant places all over the Internet for anything. My argument point that i agree was not well stated is mainly that complaining doesn't help.

        To conquer it you must accept the bull shit and push through it yourself rather than pointing out an angry bitch on the Internet that was looked at by a guy and saying "wow what a dumb cunt feminist".

        Ugh. This explanation I'm attempting is shit and going nowhere I'm sorry. ill get back to you later when I type something worth people's time.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I understand what you're getting at. There's a nuanced difference between "Lena Dunham is a massive feminist thundercunt" and "Feminism has ruined marriage, avoid it at all costs". There are some posts that border the boundary between the two, but ultimately I can't see with doing away with the latter.

        Being aware of the risks of the system you're working with is never futile.

        [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Like with everything awareness is overrated and becomes poinless quite fast. If men come so far that they reach us, they are already politically MRA.

        Nobody is ignoring it. You learn to watch your back from live experiences, quite fast. That doesn't happen because of a editoral. That type of posts is as effective at protecting yourself as a jezebel editorial is at fighting patriarchy. It literally does nothing but waste peoples time talking about something they hate.

        Even PUA posts are somewhat more useful to the individual than just having a good old fashion circle jerk on the internet. MRA is the consequence of living in a society so efeminite that men find that the only way to get "things" is to act like women. If you would read MRA posts and feminist posts side by side with the gender indicators blacked out, you would find it difficult to separate the two. They are filled with snarky comments, social justice outcries and hate. MRA is feminism, their hate stems from envy, they want to be the political sweethearts. All SJW are the same and they are not red pill.

        [–]SenorPuff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Stop bitching

        Don't just stop with feminism. This is not a place to bitch. We aren't a support group. We're here to discuss ideas, strategy, techniques, theory, practice, and reality. Only when bitching is a situation we face or, god forbid, a tool someone is suggesting, should it ever even be discussed.

        I think we should remove "blue pill example"

        I disagree. We need to ensure it is being used correctly. A post that shows these things is meant to keep pounding away that there is a reality beyond what's been sold wholesale to us, so that the newbies get it.

        start removing any shit that's a butt hurt man who hasn't realized that the world isn't fair and is complaining about it.

        Definitely. It's one thing for a newbie to say "The veil was lifted. I saw this today, it's what you've said all along. God damn, that's infuriating." And another thing entirely to say "what the shit why is this happening." The anger phase is real. The latter, however, is not it. It's denial.

        [–]truchisoft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        We are not a support group?

        I take /r/TheRedPill and its satellite subs as my kind-of-No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy support group. Learning from examples, both good and bad.

        But i agree we are seeing too much of "Look what a woman did and no one did anything to her", that's US bullshit and many of us are not in the US.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 12 points13 points  (8 children)

        Now, don't misinterpret me and spin that as some argument for "TRP WANTS TO CENSOR LEGITIMATE OPINION" because NO. If you can make a well reasoned argument that adds a different slant to the discussion, by all means, do. We can all learn from it. If you're going to be a judgmental pretentious fuck? See ya pussy.

        This is the best passage from this mod post. Newbies, read it, then read it again. I think more than a few people could learn a few lessons from a debate class. There are no "wrong" opinions, provided they are backed up with solid, lucid, well-reasoned logic, and not "feelz". Your opinion may be viewed as incorrect by a minority or majority of people here, but at least if you put some damn thought behind it, there's no reason to delete it.

        So when the typical /u/redpillthrowawaycockbag shows up and says "look at this YT video how gay/bp/loser blah blah blah," like a dog showing up trying to mark it's territory with a mindless post, he should really be asking how much intellectual capital he is investing in the post, and subsequently begging himself the question why should we invest intellectual capital in reading it.

        If it turns out to be the Reddit equivalent of a blonde staring into space while snapping bubblegum bubbles in her mouth, perhaps backing off the "save/submit" button should be in order.

        As far as picking battles with emotional anger phasers, definitely true. I myself have started replying to a mess of dumbassery, only to say fuck it one sentence in.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 5 points6 points  (6 children)

        Your opinion may be viewed as incorrect by a minority or majority of people here, but at least if you put some damn thought behind it, there's no reason to delete it.

        I automatically mentally mark anyone whinging about "being censored" as an idiot unless they show otherwise.

        I do this based on the countless people on PPD, or even TRP itself, who bitch on and on about how they were deleted. And when someone actually asks them to link to the post that got them deleted/banned... its almost always snark. I'm not even exaggerating. Half the time, its a one-liner that they believe was perfectly justified. A good portion of the remainder is someone using blatant spin tactics, hurling insults or misinterpreting what someone said into psuedo-intellectual rebuttal(for example, about how you're overgeneralizing) where you can tell at a glance they're breaking the rules. But they don't get it. They'll endlessly bitch about how or why it was unjustified. Even then standing atop of their own sophistry and stupidity, they will argue the fuck about how the red pill is oppressing them. Or the red pill is a cult, that doesn't tolerate dissent. Or whatever else bitter rationalization they can produce. Just to avoid the more obvious conclusion: You broke very plainly stated rules.

        I actually honestly think /u/MachiavellianRed is just flattering these fucks into staying down by saying he's censoring them. There's a kind of honour in being censored. And its giving them too much credit to imply they deserve it.

        The vast vast majority of these guys really are just banned for being fucking idiots.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 13 points14 points  (5 children)

        What really concerns me the most is this:

        If TRP were functioning, currently, like a well-oiled, finely tuned machine of a masculine-centric subreddit that it should be, then low-rent, mindless, stupid shit would just be down-voted so fast and so hard that it would never see the light of day, and /u/MachiavellianRed and the rest of the mods wouldn't have to waste their time Whack-A-Mole'ing the ban-hammer so much.

        But the low-rent content isn't being down-voted, at least to the extent that it should be. It's hanging around long enough to stink up the room, like a clogged toilet that won't flush.

        This leads me to believe that, of the 82k+ subs that now hang around here, there's now far too much posting and nowhere near enough reading going on amongst the new RP "pledges".

        Speaking of that metaphor, I think it's a good philosophy. We need to start treating this sub more like a fraternal order, where the new blood spends more time learning and less time blabbing. And the ones that refuse to learn the ways, lessons, manners and etiquette of the house get banished from the house. This is not a democracy.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        That's the intrinsic flaw in reddit's voting system. The posts that stand out are the most popular, not the most accurate. It's analogous to getting your city to vote on the best treatment for your cancer, as opposed to the targeted, well-informed decision of your doctor.

        Unfortunately, uninformed and/or clueless posters will always outnumber the veterans here. Not sure there's a better way to handle it other than heavy-handed banning.

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Indeed, there are a lot of haters who spend time upvoting junk and downvoting quality content. But the members here have a weapon- the report button.

        After enough users report something it goes straight to the top of our queue and makes it easy to find and remove.

        [–]SenorPuff -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        On this topic: Is there any way to increase the TRP comment karma necessary for posting? Commenting even? I think that would help immensely in this situation.

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        We do, and it's actually rather high.

        [–]truchisoft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Maybe endorseds or Red Pillers with more flairs?

        [–]13409852034 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I agree.

        As far as picking battles with emotional anger phasers, definitely true. I myself have started replying to a mess of dumbassery, only to say fuck it one sentence in.

        It seems to me that posts from reactionary "anger phasers" have become more common over the last few months. A lot of defensiveness in some replies. We all know it's a bitter pill and anger is understandable. It's also cool to stick up for your own argument, of course. However, I've seem more replies creeping in that rant against someone's opinion or thoughts, attack them instead of the argument itself, and use one specific isolated personal example as the sole method of backing up their position ("yeah but this one time this one girl did X with me, so you're wrong and I'm a god"). It's true that their experience may be valid. However, a more general expression of TRP theory would be more helpful to newbies, feel less like the poster is reacting out of defensiveness, and provide more readable content.

        [–]2asd1100 16 points17 points  (5 children)

        It's your fault. You wanted growth over substance.

        You encouraged MRA and white knight(EMSK) to come over and share. That is what you get, this is the common denominator when you mix low the low bullshit tollerance of a red piller, the anger of a MRA and the self righteousness of a white knight. This is the enviroment you fostered. Not to mention that there are a lot of fakers masked as PUAs and omegas under the MGTOW flag.

        This is what happens when you DON'T listen to "concern trolls". Do you really expect red pillers that have snothing better to do to than to keep up their side of the argument? maintain quality or report? fuck that shit, you either play with the little troll to get some entertainment or stop wasting you time generally with the board and just come on weekends to read the top posts(which nowadays are mostly DAE style bitching anyway).

        This is what growth looks like, you want manosphere this is the manosphere, most men aren't worth respecting or listening to. They are just solipsistic bitches that nobody listens to IRL, so a comunity like this attracts them like moths to a candle. We should not become AVFM 2.0, but if you want their traction, you got to drop the standards and be inclusive to every frustrated chump that needs confirmation that he is a special little boy and his life is shitty because of everyone else and it's in no way his fault.

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        It's your fault. You wanted growth over substance.

        That's ridiculous and unfounded.

        You encouraged MRA and white knight(EMSK) to come over and share

        Men's rights has always been on topic in men's sexual strategy. White knights on the other hand are banned as protocol, so I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

        This is what happens when you DON'T listen to "concern trolls".

        We don't listen to concern trolls because concern trolling is worse than any other content. Do you really believe bitching about quality is helping the quality of the posts?

        This is what growth looks like

        You can make your point without needless condescension.

        [–]2asd1100 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Condescension became required after the growth EMSK post. The main reddit declined masively, because the tone was accomodating.

        I'm sorry, but if the comunity is filled with people that have that stick to their own beliefs and pick and choose what parts they like, I can not take it seriously.

        You can't convert blue pillers that have their shit figured out.(self improvement jerkers are mostly white knights, that are smart enough to not troll). They get laid just like the other guy. What we do is seen as extreme and unhealthy. But because they are kiss asses, they will not disagree, they will just imply bullshit like this and spread it out.

        I appreciate your effort but I feel that the policy was toward growth and inclusion above all else, and that made the comunity to diverse to be of any use to red pillers, lets not even look at the best of over the past few months so even talking about "signal" is absurd at this point.

        [–]1cover20 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        White knights get laid? If you say so, but let's agree to disagree on that one. I don't think that's how female sexual desire works.

        [–]2asd1100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        yes they do, blue people are having sex all around you, it's kinda how the world keeps surviving.

        You don't have to be red to get laid. You just have to be fuckable and find a girl to settle for you.

        [–]Ralt -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        I completely disagree, not with your analysis of the pool, but what it can/will end up as. If the mods enact heavy moderation like this, I feel it is totally possible to maintain a good S2N ration. I think keeping the sub open and inviting while also banning fools in a heartbeat is perfect.

        [–]tenpointsix 15 points16 points  (6 children)

        Is accusing the mods of childish power-tripping against the rules?

        [–]MCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        It's not about lèse-majesté, it's about the sheer work volume we have. Trust me, I wish I could spend more time investigating and discussing before banning someone. I wish I could give second chances to some people who could probably learn, eventually, to behave themselves.

        But I cannot describe to you the sheer amount of dumb, belligerent shit we have to wade through. I mean, if I sit down to go through the modqueue, I've got like ten or twenty people to ban. It's as much as I can do to post a short reply with the reason.

        Especially when nine out of those ten are just people who hate TRP, and just want to vent their spleen.

        [–]tenpointsix 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        Well, shit. I guess 80k subs comes with a lot of shit, even with 10 mods.

        Semi-unrelated, but are mod decisions publicly available in any way?

        [–]MCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        No, we're pretty much hostage to the way reddit as a software package is set up.

        The new temporary ban feature helps a lot, though. I can now ban someone for a week or two, if they are well intentioned but clueless, where before I would have had to remember to watch them, or to just ban them permanently.

        [–]tenpointsix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Other subs, forgot which, have a policy of making informative submissions into a related subreddit, e.g. /r/theredpill_mod_actions, for every thing a mod does, especially bans. I'm sure it's automated (it'd be a bit much to ask, if it wasn't), so I'd look into it.

        [–]johngalt1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What do think of using autobotmods to ban those who just want to vent their spleen?

        [–]IceColdTang 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        If mods here were power-tripping, this whole place would turn into shit really fast. The fact that this is still a decent subreddit after such growth goes to show they are at least doing a fair job. Making inferences isn't so hard.

        [–]FeelLikeFlexing 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I feel like most dudes come from an environment where their opinion 'matters', as in its taken as fact. Hard to adjust to the mindset that an opinion is just an opinion.

        [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You can try that attitude with women. It's a good idea with women. But among men, it just breeds antagonism.

        Not saying you didn't know this.

        [–]Ralt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Couldn't agree more with this change, just wanted to say thank you for all the effort you put in for TRP, and that goes for all the mods.

        [–]djvita 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        let it be a lesson guys, read the sidebar, contribute to the discussion, don't be an asshat. and more importantly, follow what the sidebar says: talk to women, close, go out. no use in getting fake points, build your life. that's the best karma.

        tldr: shut up and lift

        [–]Burner1701 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        That all sounds good, and thanks for the (obviously difficult) work you do.

        [–]ValarMorghulis90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        As a new comer, and aspiring Alpha, I enjoyed this post. I was getting really tired of people calling others "beta ass bitches" or replying with "lol beta lol" because they disagreed with them. You can really tell who's worth a fuck because when they are honest they do it in a respectable way.

        [–]Julian_Berryman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The best advice I read in the sidebar right at the start of joining TRP is just to read read read. RPS was completely correct when he says that eventually you get a feel for the tone and content required in your comments/threads in order to contribute effectively.

        An insightful comment I once read here stated that visiting this sub is just the beginning. Contribute and read some RP/BP examples, sure, but participating unconstructively in the bitching and circle jerking about women, on the internet, ultimately accomplishes nothing.

        Internalise the theory, put it in to practice, and see real world results for yourself.

        [–]eygengrau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm not here for long and just want to say that I really appreciate the effort you guys put into this sub. New posts are usually well structured and articulated and compared to other subs it's a bliss to read stuff on here. Even tho' comment quality has been in decline this post shows that it'll change for the better. Thanks.

        [–]aa223 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You know what? I agree to this. Some may see it as a form of fear because people can accidently break the rules without knowing but it is okay. I mean I have noticed a lot of decline in the quality of the posts lately. I liked reading about the theories and I liked Red Pill for those. But I see a lack of interesting theories and I know that people who take the Red Pill have their shit together but why can't they go in depth of what happened and how the transformation from a beta bux to an alpha fucks occured.

        I mean I love this subreddit and I read some of the stuff on the sidebar but I want to supplement that with theory or field reports that have a guy whose mental state is similar to mine. So yeah thank you very much for this.

        [–]ALargeBicep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I've been reading a lot of the comments here lately and thinking "what the fuck is TRP coming to?"

        I've been lurking since last December and subbed in at about March, so I can vouch for what MR is saying.

        The amount of pseudo TRPers is astonishing. Reading a physics equation doesnt make you a physicist. It takes time and practice and actually listening without acting like you know what you're talking about.

        [–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm constantly trying to teach what i know in asktrp. Learn teach.learn. not only that but i learn from all the situational questions in asktrp. Were all humans with similar problems. People ask questions i havent thought of sometimes. I just hate the dickheads that make one line comments like " stop being pussy and toughen up" if it was that simple motherfucka , this sub wouldnt be active.

        [–]bepdub 5 points6 points  (10 children)

        I discovered this place several months ago. I spent time reading the entire side-bars links, including at least the top 100+ posts of all time. (It takes weeks to read it all). I continued reading the current ongoing topics.

        One day I read an article that I thought was fantastic /r/TheRedPill content, so I submitted it for discussion. I failed to include my own ground-breaking analysis of the article. As such, the post was removed. I contested this to no avail.

        After contemplating the responses from the mod, and reading other recent posts by the moderation team, I started to gather what's going on. After reading the above post by /u/MachiavellianRed, my beliefs are now confirmed.

        /r/TheRedPill isn't a place for discussion. It's a place for the teachers to teach, and the students to listen. This is a college auditorium with over 80,000 students in attendance. We can't allow just anybody to get up and ask questions. We can't allow just any idiot to spout out their random crap. The information needs to be filtered. It needs to be of the highest quality.

        [–]4_YRT 13 points14 points  (8 children)

        Is TRP an intellectual monolith? Is there any room for diversity of opinion? For dissent? This isn't a class room, it's a laboratory, with each man's opinion and experience a variable in the experiment. You might be here to get lectured at. I'm not. I'm here to have discussions. If I want to passively accept another man's opinion, I'll read a book or a blog. TRP exists on Reddit-- a comment board.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        For dissent? This isn't a class room, it's a laboratory, with each man's opinion and experience a variable in the experiment.

        We're not talking about the men showing up to make thoughtful contributions to the laboratory. We're talking about the mentally immature boys who are coming into the lab and pissing in the flasks and beakers because they're trying to garner attention from others.

        OP is referring to the posts that add little or no value either to the discussion at hand, or even add value to a question asked by a commenter; the ones that are obviously only being posted in a pitiful attempt at shock value, or posts that reflect concern trolling, or are being elicited from the depths of a person's butthurt "feelz".

        [–]brmlb 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Aren't the posts that add little or no value simply ignored or downvoted? Stricter regulation of speech makes it go from a place to learn (college, university) to a church or mosque, where nothing can be questioned. You make this almost like a cult, where everything has to be neatly categorized in terms of alpha/beta/etc with no room to think for yourself.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S,M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You make this almost like a cult

        Concern trolling, feel free to leave. Nobody invited you "to this cult." "The cult" is happy to let you go. Off you trot.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        I just addressed this in another post. That's the problem; they are not being down-voted in a suitable capacity, which makes me concerned about the majority mentality of TRP at its current state.

        What really concerns me the most is this:

        If TRP were functioning, currently, like a well-oiled, finely tuned machine of a masculine-centric subreddit that it should be, then low-rent, mindless, stupid shit would just be down-voted so fast and so hard that it would never see the light of day, and /u/MachiavellianRed and the rest of the mods wouldn't have to waste their time Whack-A-Mole'ing the ban-hammer so much.

        But the low-rent content isn't being down-voted, at least to the extent that it should be. It's hanging around long enough to stink up the room, like a clogged toilet that won't flush.

        This leads me to believe that, of the 82k+ subs that now hang around here, there's now far too much posting and nowhere near enough reading going on amongst the new RP "pledges". Speaking of that metaphor, I think it's a good philosophy. We need to start treating this sub more like a fraternal order, where the new blood spends more time learning and less time blabbing. And the ones that refuse to learn the ways, lessons, manners and etiquette of the house get banished from the house. This is not a democracy.

        [–]RedPillFusion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I for one am guilty of not doing my part. It should be a civic RP duty to down-vote shit posts and up-vote great content. It should be regarded as a civic duty for the same reason voting in elections is - because I enjoy the benefits of being part of this society, and it is in my interest to keep the environment in this society rich and fertile.

        Anyone that enjoys these same benefits should agree with this. Unless we want our "governing officials" to become over-resourced, which is what leads to shit posts slipping through, it's our responsibility as members of this community to clean up the trash.

        I happen to actually like being in community with you dirty sunsa bitches.

        And consider this, if duty and self-interest don't appeal to you. In this era of drive-by media and the eye or mordor already upon us, it might only take 1 knucklehead post to put the entire sub at risk to the greater reddit admins. And with having so few mods, they can't catch everything. I don't have the strongest understanding of how the reddit admins operate, but there's always the possibility they could swoop in (though our mods have made some comprehensive posts about why this isn't likely, dig it up and read).

        Let's police our own gentlemen.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        There absolutely is room, but each dissenting opinion needs to be backed with a strong case for it. Not every opinion is equal, some are just bullshit and no amount of argumentation advances it.

        Too many people come in here with big egos and stubbornness. They want to adamantly hold on to their own ideas, completely unable to challenge any of their preconceived notions.

        That kind of attitude won't get you far here.

        [–]Ralt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If you've moved past learning and can now play with TRP principles and try to grow them, excellent. That is positive content that we need in TRP that will help us grow. What we don't need is someone who never read the sidebar posting threads or offering opinions. You can't just walk into a high-level philosophy class and just start a speech, you'll be saying utter nonsense and no one will want to listen to you.

        [–]2RedPillSafe 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        I want to just make some suggestions.

        Basically with 82k subscribers this sub might be growing too big for it's own good.

        • Idea 1 : Require a one month waiting period before new members can post. This will slow people down a great deal. Double check the IP address of the person signing in to make sure only one unique account exists per person so that multiple throwaways aren't being created.

        • Idea 2 : Create a heirarchy. At the top of the pyramid are posters who have a strong karma rating and have been around a long time. This area would be readable by all, but not an area where new people can post. The "second tier" area has lower restrictions. As the sub grows you add additional tiers. This makes Red Pill scaleable into the future. Imagine 500k subscribers !!! You would want at least four to five levels when things get crowded. High ranking members are always free to post down, but low ranking cannot post up until they earn that priviledge.


        In general it's easier to promote the wiser members into the "exclusive areas" rather than have to seek out all the problem posters. Like the principle of being in the top 10% this sub should promote the best upwards.

        Red Pill is masculine... we are okay with heirarchy because it's central to everything here. Those that seek equality all the time are the Blue Pill folks.

        [–]topspeedj 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        While 1) is a good idea it's outside the perview of reddit mods (I think) and more towards the actual web dev of the reddit website itself.

        [–]2RedPillSafe -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        I used to be a programmer years ago and I know how ideas can be presented and based on the existing technology dismissed as being impractical. However, if more information is available about the existing technology sometimes a solution can be found that is easy to do from a technical standpoint.

        The trick here would be to know what is possible within Reddit.

        But I do believe that if this place continues to grow at it's present exponential rate the reality of 500k subscribers will require a heirarchy.

        Maybe have tiers like:

        • Masters

        • Members

        • Liberated Betas

        ...this might even be a good thing because people can see the progression towards mastery by reading the different tiers. When reading in the Liberated Beta tier one assumes some poor posting, but it might have fresh ideas and would be where any troll level activity happens. The Masters tier would be slow moving because at that level people have firmed up in their beliefs. The Members tier might be a good level because you are dealing with people past the basics, but not so settled yet. Moderators can relax in the Liberated Beta tier because those that are downvoted never make it into the higher tiers. The only time a Moderator needs to intervene is when the SJW's are staging an attack and upvoting someone who shouldn't be upvoted.

        The sidebar is presently our Masters tier, but it's not directly connected to this sub. By having a Masters tier here it might be possible to integrate all the things in the sidebar into a coherent place on this actual sub.

        An often mentioned Liberated Beta question is "Where did you learn about Red Pill?" because they don't read the sidebar.

        [–]topspeedj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It is a good idea but the admins don't want to give too much development power to mods of subreddits.

        It could be done via an automated bot perhaps, that tracks how long a member has been subbed for, and will auto-delete posts for those who've been members for <1 month.

        [–]the_Milkweed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Rules like these were in effect when I first subscribed, or at least I thought they were. It was 'almost' and instant ban if you were new and commented and worse if you submitted something.

        I have to admit I have posted one shit post about Elliot Rogers and since then I have realized this is a place to gather intel until I have something NEW to bring to the table.

        He is right though, too any newbies just wanna wave their dick around.

        [–]4_YRT 1 point2 points  (19 children)

        I dissent.

        The great thing about Reddit is that the good posts rise to the top and the bad posts get buried. This is the whole purpose of the Reddit Karma System. If you don't like something, down vote it. Excessive moderation for breaking arbitrary "rules" is something I'd expect from Two X or r/feminism, where the community can't deal with things they don't like because it makes them feel bad.

        I'm not saying that TRP shouldn't be moderated. Posts that have nothing to do with TRP or are just low quality bullshit should be removed. But nothing should be removed because you disagree with the content or don't like the message. Let the Karma system sort it out.

        edit-- TRP should be especially vigilant against excessive moderation and unfair banning because most of the people who post here are forced to use alternate accounts or throwaway accounts because just having a RedPill posting history will get you banned in many subreddits.

        [–]ShinyBrah 22 points23 points  (14 children)

        The karma system is why this sub and most of Reddit goes down the shitter. People are more concerned with making useless remarks for karma instead of making worthwhile contributions.

        [–]redbluepilling 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        The majority of people here will be new, and the majority of new guys here will be in that bitter stage or not fully grasp the big picture. One of these guys will make a comment/post with shades of RP, yet foundationally flawed. On the surface though, it sounds pretty good. Then, the like minded-masses upvote it and quickly the more harsh or obscure, yet important concepts fade away. This sort of thing is becoming more common. Look at seddit with its increase in feel good advice. A lot of RP is stuff that can be difficult to accept, and naturally people shy away from that. Masters direct the quality of a teaching, not the students.

        [–]4_YRT 2 points3 points  (11 children)

        Well, TRP should do a better job of policing itself by using the Karma system. You can't really Karma whore on the red pill, can you? It's not like you can post a picture of your cat and get get 2000 Karma in a day.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        How do you propose that TRP does that? Please provide an actionable strategy.

        [–]drallcom3 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Half of the submits are shitty links with a half-assed comment. To me that's karma and attention whoring.

        [–]kjhdjkfh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Can confirm. I got 800+ upvotes for lying and saying "I've been a garbage man for 40 years. Fuck you." in the Garbage Man Test post.

        [–]Draki1903 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Karma whores go to subreddits with a number of members that are two orders of magnitude bigger. Some just aren't the men of pen and quill enough to produce an analytical essay about a piece, but want to hear some opinions.

        [–]teeelo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        One Red Pill Upvote is worth like 10 regular upvotes.

        [–]ShinyBrah -1 points0 points  (4 children)

        No, but they can still get that sense of validation by getting their shitty joke upvoted. By all means, crack a joke but at least ensure you have a paragraph of worthwhile information.

        [–]4_YRT 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        who's Karma whoring in TRP? We're all using throwaway accounts for fear of getting banned in other subreddits just for our RedPill posting history.

        [–]SenorPuff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Fuck that. I use one account. If someone burns me because of it, fuck them.

        [–]notsuremustthink -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        It's relative, people still want to be the highest comment in the thread so will post shit pandering to the particular circlejerk at the time. Pretty much all the biggest sub reddits have turned to absolute shit unless they have tightened up their rules and moderation by orders of magnitude.

        [–]duffmanhb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's the nature of the beast. If you just let it be, then the content and community will start appealing to the lowest common denominator which is why so many main subs are shit.

        [–]ALargeBicep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        But when the collectively large amount of new TRPers begin to comment with stupid remarks and upvote eachother, everyone has to see it.

        [–]Lytalm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You're just completely wrong on this. The karma system is not suppose to be a "I like" - "I dislike".

        It's suppose to be a "I agree, it adds something to the dicussions" - "It's bullshit, you troll, you don't add anything to the discussion".

        Oh, you're concern about being banned in other subreddit? Who the fuck care, if they don't want you only because you participate in this sub, then they don't deserve you. You should know that as you have read the sidebar, doesn't you?

        [–]4_YRT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You actually completely agree with me and you don't even realize it.

        The karma system is not suppose to be a "I like" - "I dislike".

        It's suppose to be a "I agree, it adds something to the dicussions" - "It's bullshit, you troll, you don't add anything to the discussion".

        If enough people agree that the post is bullshit and adds nothing to discussion, it will get down voted into oblivion and nobody will see it. There's no need to remove it, or to ban the user; just let the system work it out like the free market place of ideas that it's supposed to be.

        Oh, you're concern about being banned in other subreddit? Who the fuck care, if they don't want you only because you participate in this sub, then they don't deserve you. You should know that as you have read the sidebar, doesn't you?

        I got banned from r/writing prompts, which was a pretty cool subreddit because they assumed that my post was racist. They assumed my post was racist because one of the mods looked at my posting history and saw that I frequently post on TRP. That's it.

        [–]smokingtransistor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Just wanted to say thanks, i agree with heavy moderation here, since all internet is somehow against RP and the message got very diluted lately. There has to be a line and when everyone here is anonymous only moderation can keep chaos out.

        [–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Most of the problems with this subreddit could be solved if people actually read the sidebar and posted in the appropriate subreddit.

        I think we could do with a board specifically for people to vent on, sort of a "I'm new here, why are women all such whores?" section so that they can get past the anger phase, but the problem is that it would likely devolve into a misogynist (actual woman-hating, not "disagreement = hate" misogyny) circlejirk that doesn't help with moving past the anger stage.

        If the newbies could just keep themselves from getting itchy fingers before they'd read the sidebar, we wouldn't have to be so draconian. As it is, I fully support MachiavellianRed's measures against the flood of low-quality non-content that has been endemic to this subreddit lately.

        The only thing that we must be vigilant about is not censoring opposing opinions, as long as a) it doesn't belong on PPD and b) it's not just "why do you hate women?" trolling.

        I know we have quite a diverse political spectrum here, and it's slowly been seeping into posts for quite a while now. Frankly, I find that unacceptable. I don't care what you think about politics, I care what you think about TRP. I'm not here to hear what you think about gays, economics, immigrants, feminism or... whatever DarkEnlightenment is posting about, I am here to listen to what you think about whatever point has been raised, and to debate if I feel it necessary.

        [–]angel_pantsu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Sorry I didnt know there was an ask trp [seriiously]

        [–]sunwukong15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        As a inexperienced young adult who keeps his mouth shut for the most part. I approve.

        [–]DolorousRedd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "When virtuous men take office I think they are prompted by this fear; and then they approach it not as a blessing or with any prospect of good fortune: they face it as a compulsory task because they can find none superior to whom they might entrust it. Were there a city of good men, it is probable that men would contend to escape office as they now contend to gain it, and it would then be clearly shown that a true ruler is in reality one who seeks not his own advantage but the advantage of the subject, so that every man of understanding would prefer to be benefited by another rather than labour for another's benefit" - Plato's Republic.

        Applicable to this sub, in my humble opinion. TRP is not a city of good men. I speak little because rather it is a city of men, like myself, who seek to become good. Even greater is the lack of advantage in moderating such a place than being a true ruler - the only gain is a strong, focused community for those who partake in it. If it wasn't necessary to uphold a standard, it wouldn't be done.

        [–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Quick question :

        If you see some bullshit message me, or another mod, or all of us AND use the report button under every comment. Don't use the report button because you're butthurt, use it because the post breaks a rule.

        If I do so and I'm wrong, I'm banned, right?

        And by the way.

        If you go back far enough into the red pill's posting history.

        Does anyone have a way to do this without spending hours clicking on the "previous page" button?

        [–]gg_s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If I do so and I'm wrong

        Use your best judgment. If you're not quite sure if it breaks the rules, open another tab and brush up on the rules. If you're still in doubt, report it anyway and message the mods.

        Abusing the report button to super-downvote shit you don't like will eventually piss off the mods and result in your ban, and rightly so.

        [–]icyhot39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I agree with you on every point. But I can't help but wonder if making posts like this whining about how dumb newbies are ruining our subreddit with idiotic posts isn't just as bad. Just ban them. You have all of our thanks for the hard work that you do.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So I was walking last night and thinking about the level of content on trp. Been lurking for a while now and have definitely noticed a change. I was trying to come up with ways to fix it, and agree with your ban policy.

        One other idea I had was having templates for types of posts. For example a post might be regarding using certain body language during wage negotions. The post could have a short intro, then perhaps a field report or examples of use, followed by a discussion of the pros/cons, limitations, other uses etc. Finish up with a conclusion / tldr and a references section which might also include links said person found useful for what idea/concept/skill they are trying to get across.

        Basically I see trp as a place to gain knowledge and improve myself. I feel that setting up posts etc in this format helps convey information easier, and forces people to think about and deliver their content in a organized processed way.

        tldr why not try templates for posts based loosely of scientific journal articles?

        [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Most of the white knights commenting here don't read the side bar.

        Edit: how am i gtting downvoted? By here i mean the rest of TRP. BPers who jump on TRP to concern troll don't read the sidebar at all

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          [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          how is this low level? Most of the white knights who concern troll or post stuff saying, "Oh where's your sense of empathy/ do you have morals?" most probably don't read the side bar. TRP is supposed to be ammoral, and thats on the sidebar

          [–]BloodRoseTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Your original comment seemed to be a generic, off the cuff remark/insult that adds little value. Now that you've explained your sentiment, quite concisely I might add, I offer you an apology

          [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Your comment is fine. A bunch of people just read the "your" in your post, thought you meant "them" got butthurt and downvoted. I cover this disposition towards butthurt in the OP. Don't sweat the downvotes.

          [–]3Varrian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If I see you do that I will just delete all your newest posts and ban you.

          Thank the TRP Gods. If I had a dollar for every comment with no value whatsoever.

          Is there any type of comment we should add in when we're reporting to help you control shit posts?

          [–]Goldfulgore 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I thought that the mod was overreacting at first so I checked it out for myself.

          There are A LOT of posts that ask questions in TheRedPill. These should be instantly removed and moved to AskTRP

          [–]Goldfulgore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Banning them is not as bad as many make it seem. They still can use AskTRP

          [–]notsuremustthink -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          All the mens rights/social justice stuff is a waste of space. This place definitely needs to refocus on the core of the red pill. I also think far too much is posted here that should be in asktrp so good to hear of the change in moderation. Hopefully it will motivate some people to actually read the sidebar.

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          1. Disagree on removing MRA/social justice stuff. It is not a central theme of TRP, but is indeed an underpinning to getting the whole of who we are and what we are doing here. MRA is central to understanding a big part of the why the current dating/sex scene is the way it is today. You have to comprehend the underlying theory before studying the applied science. Fail to understand the feminine imperative nature of the current "game", and you will never understand the game itself.

          2. However, I have been a long-time advocate of removing the "Ask TRP" flair from the flair list. Secondly, auto-removing any new thread that doesn't have a flair attached to it (sorry mobile users, but tough shit. I'm more interested in a quality sub than I am your ability to post content while sitting on your toilet). This way, no flair = no post, all questions are basically forced into /r/asktrp where they belong.

          [–]notsuremustthink 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          1. My problem with MRA/social justice stuff is that the majority of threads discussion should be more accurately classified as a rant/vent. As a subreddit I think we fail massively at using these as a learning experience and they flood out other threads that people might learn from. How could we improve these posts do you think?
          2. agreed

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I think it's part of a problem the sub has been dealing with for months now. There's a whole bunch of "Hey!! Look!!! Feminist bullshit!!! Look at this guise!!! Lena Dunham is a hypocrit cunt!!!"...

          ...without any applied knowledge of why and how it is relevant to fem-centric society, and without any mental fortitude explaining why it's relevant to TRP. For instance, if you're gonna post an example of feminism's hypocritical double standards on 'rape culture', develop a proposed strategy on how to deal with it on college campuses, in society, in the workplace, etc, and how men can maximize value in their day-to-day lives from the MRA exposed knowledge.

          tldr, we need less "hey look at this example" MRA, and more MRA applied science discussion in these examples

          [–]M_rafay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          On the subject of letting it go, here's a great video by a very prominent salesman someone linked a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMmz-_MLudQ&feature=youtu.be

          I'm hoping I don't accidentally fall on the other side of this rule, but I still totally agree with what you're implementing MachRed. I guess I'll just think a little more before posting.

          [–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          ENTIRE SIDE BAR SHOULD BE REQUIRED.

          I got into the RedPill, because I was in a time of need... that was almost a year ago. Since then I have changed my life and taken real action to start making myself a better man. SIDEBAR > ACTION > LURKING > POSTING. Accomplishing that order of operations would do wonders for this sub. Anyone who it's worked for has likely done those things in that order or one very similar.

          [–]Praeger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Question - if someone posts something here, in a well thought out manner (obviously subjective) bit it's more of a question/opinion that should have been posted in the ask RP - would that be considered a ban?

          [–]theaudiophiliad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well said sir. TRP is a resource, available, applicable, and interpreted any way one deems useful in their own life. It is possible that subscribers may not agree with everything. (Myself among them) but standards must be upheld. If you want to improve yourself and be a man, a real man, post like a man. We are here for each other, we are here for ourselves, we are here to be better.

          Edit: FWIW, I don't post here, I lurk here, but I feel this is something with addressing.

          [–]rockumsockumrobots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is a good move. I've seen too many of my beloved subs taken over by subversive elements. Just google JTRIG Subversion Techniques.

          [–]Khazrihl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Read, and accepted.

          Also good to see someone else who uses the expression 'metric fuck ton'.

          [–]crazycattime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I am fully on board with this. Thank you for all you've done to keep this sub high-quality.

          I know it's probably a pain in the ass, but would it be possible to periodically put up a "this is the shit people got banned for" post, pointing out some specific infractions? I find those highly instructive.

          Or is that more likely to just dredge up all the butthurt?

          [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Or is that more likely to just dredge up all the butthurt?

          About 5-10 people got banned off this thread alone. Naturally they got butthurt and started hurling the insults. Threads like this are good in the sense that they actually bait out the very people you don't want on your board to expose themselves directly to you. At which time you can just remove all their newest posts and kick 'em out.

          [–]gideonrakthor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I'd also like to add another point. It seems this subreddit has become too focused around women. I mean, look at all of the recent FR's. Yeah LTR's and dating successes are great and all but what happened to getting a raise because you cleaned your act up and demanded better for yourself?

          What happened to maintaining frame and earning the respect of your colleagues/co-workers. I want to read stories about men who rise to the top of thier field through trp, men who have people telling them they have changed, men who earn the respect of their overbearing parents, men who are feeling happier than they have ever been because they have learned to say, "no". Not just, "Look what I did and how it got me sex."

          The red-pill is about every facet of life, not just our relationships with women. I have friends telling me left and right to "stop reading redpill" etc. because they think its some sad attempt to attract women. I can't blame them too much for their ignorance because it DOES seem like that at first glance.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          TRP is primarily about sexual strategy. That's in the sidebar. There are many areas of life where strong masculinity will get you ahead, but the major focus of this sub is heterosexual intergender relations.

          [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sexual strategy is a great place to start and learn it, too.

          With women, it's great to have tons of masculinity. Among men, you should have more humility and treat other men as equals -- while still showing masculinity. It's a higher level of skill required, and slower results.

          This makes evolutionary sense. When one is leaving boyhood and becoming a man (before age 20) one should start fucking women and making babies. Later on one may rise to prominence in the community and become a leader among men, but that requires a far greater level of maturity and accomplishment.

          Merely fucking women is a simple job for someone who's just leaving boyhood.

          [–]NS_white -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Keep it up, buddy. You are and the rest of the mods are holding this place together.

          [–]Artemisnotfowl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Such is the price many subs and online communities pay when their membership increases in number. Way to call em out though.

          [–]OhShitItsUpgrayedd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Too little, too late imo. This sub is being swallowed by the quagmire that is reddit. Time to move on. Thanks though. It was fun and enlightening.

          [–]Transmigratory -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Thank you, now hopefully we go back to discussing the real shit that TRP is about.

          No more about some guy complaining about race, height or any other stupid factor they feel is limiting them. This is TRP, not fucking agony aunt.

          [–]teeelo -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

          Just shadow Ban if you can.

          Asking stupid questions, and making retarded comments always draw attention. Best to just hide it from view. By being ignored enough, they'll start to think either everyone ignores me because I am irrelevant, or 'Fuck these guys! They don't care about me! I'm going back to Blue pill! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr..........'

          [–]1IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I prefer normal bans, because shadowbans should only really be used in extreme situations. We saw what happened with a certain ongoing incident when the mods of pretty much every big sub started shadowbanning for mentioning it.

          If you're banned, you can make a new account and learn from your mistakes.

          [–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Can you give me a little more context to this 'ongoing incident'? I'll do the research myself.