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[–]kinggluejar 65 points66 points  (19 children)

This is the reason why some female porn stars don't do interracial. The fans like her a lot less. The perception that if a woman is attracted to black men then she's a slut who'll only view white men as betabux. It ruins the girl for the viewers.

Same phenomenon different races.

[–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Profound insight.

[–]Gold_Mouth 20 points21 points  (14 children)

I've heard that before and that's the dumbest logic ever. How does fucking a black guy on camera make her any more of a slut than she already is? She catches nut on her face for a living, she wasn't really a pure angel in the first place.

[–]flawless_mouse 33 points34 points  (1 child)

How does fucking a black guy on camera make her any more of a slut than she already is?

It's a tribal mentality.

People would rather someone be a slut within their race than a faithful doter to a single person outside their race.

That's just how it is.

Edit: I don't think it's a bad thing.

[–]Beefkidfrank -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Was wondering when the HBD crowd was gonna show up

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 15 points16 points  (9 children)

There's no such thing as a BWC (big white cock) fetish. There's whole websites dedicated to BBC, black "bulls"/cucolding.

Perceived emasculation is a powerful thing. It's what affects Asian guys, leading to hate. And you can bet many white guys who value their porn and develop an air of possession towards their favorite stars feel like their "woman" is getting off to something they could never hope to provide.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I wonder if there's a mentality that looks at black women who fuck white guys as preferable to Black women who fuck black guys, or at least not negatively like White women who fuck black guys.

[–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Black guys who date white girls get SO much shit from black women. I'm not sure about your scenario of black women / white men, but most of my black friends who are high value get incredible shit from black girls if they date whites or asians.

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    [–]guy2435 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I think this is not about the girl, but the thinking of her audience, a suspension of disbelief in a sense, I guess. But yeah, dumb logic.

    [–]FullRedvolution 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The perception that if a woman is attracted to black men then she's a slut who'll only view white men as betabux.

    I don't think it's just a perception. I think a lot of white women that fuck black men actually do feel that way, thus it's justified that white men don't want anything to do with them.

    [–]sir_wankalot_here 70 points71 points  (19 children)

    As foreigner liviing in an Asian country I face racism everyday. When people see the first thing they see is a sucker. If a foreigner commits a crime or is accused of a crime, there a front page headlines saying "Foreign guy did ________". And then everyone will make racist comments about foreigners and scream for blood. And then the same newspapers that complain about foriegners will scream that foreign countries will not allow in more Asians.

    I am not whining just stating a fact.

    I am describing the majority of Asians where I live. There is a minority of Asians that are not whiners. And they are pretty cool guys. And they get lots of pussy.

    Personally I adapt and overcome. Usually after Asians get to know me, they tell me you are pretty smart for a foreigner.

    Saying all that, I like Asia a lot. It has a brutal honesty about it that I enjoy that is lacking in many places. Everyone should visit Asia, it will open your eyes.

    [–]blondie1212 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    thats a shame. I lived in Japan for 4 months and found everyone to be incredibly kind to me, except for a few older men. The young men were especially nice and wanted to hang out with me. The young women were insanely easy via social circle game but insanely untrusting when opening cold.

    [–]sir_wankalot_here 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Japan is a different place, the culture is way different. I am referring more to SE Asians.

    [–]1Dev_on 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    Is nice. That kind of worldview is lost in most who aren't as well traveled

    [–]sir_wankalot_here 13 points14 points  (6 children)

    I used to believe in multiculturalism until I lived in SE Asia for a while. SE Asians see things differently. Different is not bad it is just different.

    [–]Max_Jets 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    I too live in SE Asia, however I must admit I don't honestly see the 'racism'. Although I've grown up here for the majority of my life and therefore might have just grown accustomed to it, or perhaps the particular country I'm in is a little more tourism friendly so I guess there's that.

    On the other hand, and I am not trying to call you out, but is it possible that you're only perceiving the racism due to the fact that you're anxious to interact socially with the culture that you feel is alienating you? From what I gathered after reading your post it felt more like a limiting belief than a fact.

    [–]sir_wankalot_here 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    It is not racism as per the western definition, it is xenophobia. SE Asians have a pack mentality. If you are not part of the pack that will be used against you. So if the person happens to be from another town or region the same thing occurs. The only difference is because I am a foreigner it is known right away.

    Extreme examples of where this happens is I was doing a business deal. Guy is screwing you over, you catch him, he then tells me you are not from here, you better let me screw you over. There are more of me then you.

    So in the one extreme incident where it happened there where like 6-10 of them. I pulled a gun. I then said come on rush me, the first one that is getting it is the leader. Then the next one who is getting it is the guy next to him. The guys are the edges of his group started to melt away. There was a stand off for a while. Then the leader ssid it was a misunderstanding. I said you are correct, you made the mistake I am weak. Don't make that mistake again. He then fucked off.

    Meanwhile the same leader who has relatives in my country will be whining about the alledged racism those relative face.

    fact that you're anxious to interact socially with the culture that you feel is alienating you

    This is the comical part. Gossip in Asia travels faster then the speed of light. So when I first meet someone new I am pretty easy going low key. So the guy asks the standard questions where are you from, where do you live. Who do I know etc. Then all of a sudden you see like a realization in him. He asked me are you the foreigner who had the issue with leader dickhead, I heard about that. So I say yah. By this time the story has blown totally out of proportion. The guy then goes wow, but you don't seem crazy. You seem like a nice guy. Then he goes yah that guy is a dickhead he had it coming to him way to go man.

    If I meet the guy in some shithole bar, usually he then invites all of his friends over. They are all wow this is the crazy foreigner, we heard about you. Then they offer to buy me drinks, I politely accept. If a SE Asian offers to buy you a drink, politely accept a a couple of drinks, often he doesn't have much money. Then afterwards I usually buy a few rounds, booze is cheap.

    Afterwards everyone is happy. They are all like wow we drank with the crazy foreigner. My other friends won't believe it.

    SE Asians are crazy, but I am crazy also. Its a fun place.

    [–]Max_Jets 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I am situated in Thailand, and if my intuition does not fail me; the way you translate your infamous nickname 'Farang Ba' (Crazy Foreigner) I presume you live here as well.

    However i'm guessing you most likely live in a town up north where the population density is fairly small (I cannot imagine you would achieve so much popularity unless this 'leader' you had your confrontation with was some sort of local celebrity). I can understand why xenophobia can be common in the more rural areas of Thailand, that are still 'developing' and therefore heavily dependent on their cultural influences, Thais are also generally more secluded in their culture and tend to stick to small social-circles and rarely make an effort to meet new people, unless they studied in international schools or high-end universities.

    Regardless of all this, I can definitely relate to the Xenophobia present in the Asian culture, it's simply something I had to deal with for the majority of my life and have sort of grown accustomed to it.

    [–]neutralstrike 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Yes, a lot of Asians are racist even Canada. I no longer give my money to merchants in chinatown. I'm not bitter at all. Racism is either based on envy or jealousy. It's their problem. Fortunately, not all are racist.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Ok well I'm gonna guess that you're just in South Korea

    [–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Nope. Never been there. Place seems to clean and sterile for me.

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      [–]sir_wankalot_here 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Someone else, I think thst guy is my identical twin brother who does bad things and blames it on me.

      [–]Entershikari 125 points126 points  (21 children)

      5"6, 23 yo Asian dude reportin' in ! I approve of this !

      Fuck the weaklings, I've been slaying danish, French and slovenian pussies in the last year and a half and currently am in a LTR with a cute 21 yo French girl ! Man the fuck up my bros !

      [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 57 points58 points  (2 children)

      5"6, 23 yo Asian dude reportin' in ! I approve of this !

      Fuck the weaklings, I've been slaying danish, French and slovenian pussies in the last year and a half and currently am in a LTR with a cute 21 yo French girl ! Man the fuck up my bros !

      Wonderful. You could whine you're Asian and "short" or you could work on yourself and go kill it. You chose the latter. Respect for being a man of action.

      [–]rpthrow1 24 points25 points  (1 child)

      This goes for anything in life.

      Ether work to better your self or shut the fuck up.

      Nooo one gives a shit about you, man up nigga.

      [–]ChinmayT2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      That actually makes me happy and IDK why. Great going.

      [–]mrxentrix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Same here 5"5 32yr old asian dude who did have an insecurity problem when I stopped giving a fuck and asked a blonde out. 3 years later I'm still in a LTR with a ukrainian-american and I'm not particular rich either I'm just pretty chill.

      I also recently attended my high school reunion and discovered that there were quite a number of girls who were interested but I just never asked them out!

      Don't be a self doubter, realize that you're a much better person than you are. Smiling a lot and having a sense of humor helps! Take it from a short asian dude.

      [–]blondie1212 2 points3 points  (11 children)

      Nice! I have met plenty of Asian guys who break the mold like this. When new women meet them, you can sense how impressed they are. It's almost like they are using the stereotype to their advantage by shattering it and creating a wow moment for everyone they meet.

      All of them were DJs or otherwise worked for clubs, for some reason. Are you?

      [–]Entershikari 6 points7 points  (8 children)

      No I'm not working for Club. Even tough I've only been asked once to be a promoter for the opening night of a Vietnamese Club Owner in France. So as far as I'm concern I'm not into the party scene.

      What worked for me was building a huge international social circle from scrap in the international erasmus scene after dumping a loser group of friends. (Walk away from the toxic people)

      So from there I acted as a bridge between my different social circle and kept approaching girls and high Smv dude in the tram, university campus, bars ... to keep my roaster of girls fresh.

      Wherever you are, you must be someone of value and you've got to bring something to the table by being a fun person to be around or to have connection. To crawl up the social ladder, I used girl as a form of currency. I felt that some dude was high smv and became his friend, presented him plenty of girls, and organized party with him. And right now our parties are quite known as we both invite a lot of girls from both our groups.

      1) Approach Popular Girl 2) Charm her 3) Present her your friends 4) Invite her to your parties 5) She Brings her (girl)Friends 6) ???? 7) Profit

      I rely mostly on huge social proof as well as amazing game. For the guys I'm known as an amazing wing man (thanks to me many of my friends got laid) and everyone wanna be friend with someone who can get you laid.

      My routine in a party is to talk to a maximum of people. Then I approach a girl and run game on her. To make them jaw drop sometime I just say "So who do you wanna know here ? Show me someone and we'll go talk to them". And then I approach random sets of people or people that I know with her.

      What also work is to go against stereotype and you must be ready to the most common shit test. I'm also quite daring and like to go nuclear on my approach, this weekend I got slapped twice, once after an approach but by the end of the night the girl was following me like a puppy to take selfies with me "to make jealous my friends who are fan of korean drama lol".

      As /u/mythrowawaybruh said, finding your niche is important. Mine was the international party scene, the girls there are open minded, have traveled or plan to. And then the Erasmus Scene is very special, as "what happens in Eramus stays in Eramus" is the motto. Indeed a lot of guys and girls in this scene use their year to discover their sexuality, so some girls ride the CC hard.

      Tl:dr : Be amazing to be around, be the alpha of your wolfpack, find your niche, approach, be bold, go against stereotype and learn game.

      [–]redpillalts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I've noticed the "break the mold" effect as an Asian male and more often than not it's enough to close on women, get accepted into a group, etc. The race traitor posts were making me crine. TRP is about evolving and overcoming challenges, not finding out whose the biggest victim or who has the biggest victim mentality which is counter productive.

      [–]whinemoreplease 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      When new women meet them, you can sense how impressed they are. It's almost like they are using the stereotype to their advantage by shattering it and creating a wow moment for everyone they meet.

      This is absolutely true. When you're an asian guy with confidence and balls, you break outside the mold. There's inherent intrigue.

      [–]The_Turbinator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      As a Slovenian, you go brother!!

      [–]mythrowawaybruh 64 points65 points  (10 children)

      Black guy checking in.

      As a guy who dates multiple races, allow me to offer a bit of advice to my Asian brethren.

      I tell my friends all the time that I am a niche. Not everyone likes horror films, but the people that like horror films really love horror films. In the dating world, I am a horror film.

      Not every girl likes black guys. It's a fact. But I've found a niche of liberal white girls that drink pumpkin spice latte by the gallon, but also listen to rappers like Drake and Childish Gambino on the side. That's my niche. Those are the girls I do well with.

      Find your niche and go for it.

      tl;dr find the niche of girls that likes you and stay within that niche

      [–]1Dev_on 10 points11 points  (3 children)

      Lol. I thought I was the only niche. I'm literally Canadian, but look like 80% of the foreign countries locals.

      I'm there for girls with daddy issues, want to date a foreigner, but am Canadian enough that it doesn't freak them out.

      Like white curry. Not spicy, but you can day you ate Indian food

      [–]TimPartendale 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Exactly, it's always foolish to expect everybody to like you. I'm biracial, no skin off my back.

      In the dating world, I am a horror film.

      So dating you is a nightmare? (I saw the pun and just had to)

      [–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Focusing on your niche warrants its own discussion. It's a different aspect to moneyballing.

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        [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 33 points34 points  (25 children)

        Completely agree with what you wrote in the "What's okay" section and with what you wrote in the "What's not okay" section. Complaining should not be tolerated, but an honest discussion, one from which people can learn, should be allowed.

        This is coming from an Asian man. Completely approve and support this post.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 14 points15 points  (9 children)

        but an honest discussion, one from which people can learn, should be allowed.

        These would not be deleted. If people want to talk about Asian/racial elements of hypergamy, create red pill theory over it/post observations, they are more then welcome. The race traitor/whining threads need to stop though. They do not offer value.

        [–]sir_wankalot_here 11 points12 points  (13 children)

        The hieght problem you can't really solve. The biggest things I notice.

        • learn how to walk properly, don't drag your feet.
        • stand up straight, don't slouch.
        • look people in the eye when you talk to them.
        • speak in absolute terms, many Asians don't want to offend people so they act vague like.
        • stop worrying about what people think. If you offend someone who cares.
        • some SE Asians have a tendency to whine stop it.
        • there are certain mannerisms which Asians have which seem beta. Like they stare at the ground when you talk to them etc.
        • don't have your mom by your clothes for you. Some Asian guys are like 30 and their mom still chooses their clothes for them.
        • some Asians come across as suck ups this makes them seem weak.

        Advantages Asian men have

        • usually they are more polite and formal. Always good to be polite.
        • if they buy their own clothes they are snappy dressers.
        • they age better then white people. So you can mean an Asian who is like 60+ but you will think he is 40.

        A lot of Asian guys won't make a move. They act like a deer in the headlights. Then when they finally make a move and the chick rejects her they blame it on racism. It is a numbers game. If I have a 1% chance of success and you have a 10% chance of success. If I hit on 20 women a day and you only approach 1 a day. I will get twice as much pussy as you.

        That is all I can think off right now.

        [–]Andrian-TQM 36 points37 points  (9 children)

        Listening to Asian men whining about being Asian and all the problems that arise from that is like listening to a bald guy whining about being bald.

        The way I would suggest the bald guy to look up to guys like Jason Statham or Bruce Willis, the same way my best advice for Asian men who struggle with defining their identity in western society is to look up to successful asian men who have managed to build a great image for themselves.

        My best friend is Vietnamese born in the States and gets pussy every time he goes out. Why? Because he invests in himself like no one else I have ever met does. If he can do it, every single Asian man in the world can.

        He also blogs here if you want some insight from an Asian guy who really knows his shit.

        [–]narcissistic_walrus 17 points18 points  (4 children)

        or short men whining about being short. We all have shortcomings in some areas and areas where we are better then other men. If we focus on the physical only I'm sure 95% of men are in a non-ideal situation. Wrong race, too short, bald, small penis, fat, etc.

        I'm the shortest in my group of friends BUT I'm so much better at talking to girls and making them laugh then my taller friends. You have to focus on your strengths.

        [–]RandomAnecdote 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        Exactly. Tom Cruise is short, yet he's revered as an alpha god here. Work with what you've got.

        [–]Ormild 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Yup, but people like to go "but he's rich and famous!"

        You think he magically became rich and famous? He probably busted his fucking ass off getting rejected thousands of times before he landed his first big role.

        Watch the video of Tom Cruise putting a prankster, who sprays water in Tom's face, in his place. Tom knows how to remain in control and put someone in his place without coming off as a huge asshole. If everyone on here (myself included) could emulate that kind of behaviour, I guarantee they would be 100x more successful with women.

        He's short, but guy is dominant as fuck.

        [–]ringostardestroyer 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        successful asian men who have managed to build a great image for themselves.

        You mentioned Jason Statham/Bruce Willis for bald guys.

        Where are these successful, great image Asian american guys?

        [–]SOAADDICT 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Sung Kang (Fast and Furious)

        Rick Yune (Fast and Furious as well, plus some other action stuff)

        Daniel Dae Kim (Lost)

        They're out there. You don't even have to look to hard.

        [–]ringostardestroyer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        The guys you listed are good examples. However, they don't hold a candle to Bruce Willis or Jason Statham, who always play the lead role in action films.

        inb4 Jackie Chan/Jet Li. Sure they get good action roles, but no sex. In the case of Jet Li, he doesn't even get to bang Aaliyah in Romeo Must Die. They are asexual action/kungfu heroes. Jason Statham and Bruce Willis on the other hand are dripping with sexuality (Crank, all of the Die Hards, etc)

        I'm not whining about being Asian, but you simply cannot pretend that there are good, masculine role models for Asian men in America. That role is actively snubbed from Asian men by American media.

        White guys don't understand our plight in the States. Taking advice from them is like asking a woman how to pick up women.

        [–]SOAADDICT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I disagree with you. Sure, Jackie Chan and Jet Li might not get a lot of lays in their films, but the guys I listed above do.

        In Fast and Furious Sun Kang's character Han is banging this chick. The hottest of all the chicks in the franchise. They make a big show of all the guys wanting her and her picking Han. And then she is so devoted to him she literally sacrifices herself for him.

        I could go on and list more examples but I won't. My point is, you're going to see what you want to see. Less than 5% of the American population is Asian, so expecting to see a bunch of Asian-led action movies coming out of American media is just unrealistic. To be honest even talking about equal representation in media is reaching into tumblr territory. You can see the positive models in front of you, or you can ignore them, that's up to you.

        [–]animalpoo 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        Here here ! I use to live in a 95% white area. One of my closest friends ( Chinese ) was built up to fuck and ripped, he could still pull because he didn't fit the stereotype and girls were interested in him.

        We both moved to a bigger city where the ratio is more like 60% white, and ohhhh boy the amount of pussy he got was unreal! His first year in university he didn't even rent accommodation, he just stayed over in different girls beds or bullied his way into staying over at a 'friends place'. He chose to get in shape and he chose to move to a better city. You to have options and choices, you are in complete control of your future. It's much easier to complain and moan than do something about it. Use the knowledge and experiences of others to better yourself.

        I'm so happy this post has came up.

        [–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        It's not even true. I live in San Francisco and while some Asian women date white men, the hottest ones date Asian guys, and I've assumed they could get a white guy in a heartbeat if they wanted one.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Keep in mind most white men in San Francisco are either computer nerds or spineless SJWs. The asian men here tend to have more spine than their white counterparts and are in higher SMV professions (lawyer, dentist, doctor).

        [–]PlusGoody 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's an interesting point. I certainly have noticed that the Bay Area is really paradise for Asian men who want to date cute Asian women -- I always thought it was sort of a numbers thing (your typical Bay Area Asian woman went to a 50% Asian high school and a 30%-60% Asian college and just never got into the habit of dating white guys) but maybe it's partially about weak white men too.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 10 points11 points  (12 children)

        I saw this post just now and I think my comment is going to be buried.

        But yeah I agree. I remove their comments from /r/AsianMasculinity as well. Most asian guys here at TRP know about AM and they go there anyway, so taking it out of this post really doesn't matter.

        I screen ALL posts and I've made stickies there about not rejecting any Asian women for sex (seriously, why would I turn down a hottie for sex?). For the record, I do recommend rejecting the "white fetish Asian girls" for LTRs/marriage though. But LTR ≠ sex.


        Some things I want to clarify for the 100th time to guys who are new to this issue:

        • Yes, it's true Asian men have to spend extra effort to "prove the doubters" wrong in the West. That is called stereotypes and being a minority. It also affects Westerners in Asia; the amount of complaining English teachers do about negative stereotypes Asians have of white people (lazy, dirty, smelly, drink a lot, carry guns, players, always late to work, etc) is just as prevalent. Foreigners in Asia often have to take extra steps...it's not fair for them either.

        • Although it sucks these stereotypes against Asian men exist, there's nothing stopping you from proving these stereotypes wrong...except yourself.

        • Yes, asian woman - white man is a common interracial pairing. Guess what? Asian woman - Asian man is an even more common pairing...There's a part of the world called Asia, for Christ's sake.

        So am I denying that many Asian-American girls prefer white dudes? No...

        • White guys are top SMV in the West. Asian guys are top SMV in Asia. And Asian women like any women respond to top SMV. If you do a one to one comparison, you will RARELY ever see an Asian woman choose a low SMV white dude over a high SMV asian one (unless it's a straight up white fetish, which happens; but fetishes aren't the rule... people poop on each other as fetishes and no one pretends that's some common rule to complain about).

        • White guys have some inflated SMV in Asia. Guess what? Korean men have massively inflated SMV in every single SE Asian country (and very often, southern Europe and especially Russia). It's ridiculous what Kpop and dramas do. Do Singaporean men complain about Kmen? Yes, Kmen have a bad reputation in SE Asia. I cuckolded some philipina girl who had a bf and he hates me and sent me hate msg. Chalk it up to culture/media/etc just like in the States, and these are factors you cannot control.

        So what is there to complain about other than women's hypergamy? And if you're complaining about hypergamy, then you need to evolve and accept TRP.

        TL;DR Asian men have their work cut out for them. But if you put the work in, being Asian is actually an advantage with 95% of Asian women. Speaking her native language with a sense of familiarity while also satisfying SMV requirements is absolutely HUGE with Asian girls, especially the normal ones.

        In fact, many of my close white guy friends in Korea complain to ME that they can't get anything other than 1-2 dates, maybe sex, and that's it. They actually envy me cause I have access to more girls, all-Asian groups of girls, and friends-of-friends; not just the random ONE Asian girl with her 4 English teacher friends at the local foreigner pub, in which case everyone knows she's used-up trash.

        But I also workout, I study Korean, I don't go to dive English teacher bars. I do my part; I don't just go to an English teacher bar after eating 1 cake per day and not working out and then expect an Asian girl to be all over me cause I'm Asian too. That is retarded.


        So what to do about it?

        For the 1000th time, just bang chicks!

        I'm like the poster boy for Asian women who say "My gawd you're actually a buff Asian/Korean!", "You just feel different! I may like Asian guys now!" I've gotten it so much I practically have a catalog.

        And it's never bothered me. I don't care cause these things mean nothing. In fact, I'm proud if I must admit it. I'm banging them and I never said I wanted their trust/chastity/commitment/racial solidarity any way. But since the only thing I want is sex, a girl who says that means I did my part to overcome her stereotypes of me. I was successful.

        (Yes, if you have some Asian fiance and then she says that...I understand the butthurt. That sucks. But that's why you don't date those types of girls).

        As I just said, the only thing I DO recommend is what is written above: Don't choose these Asian women for LTRs. Just hit it and hit it again, until she realizes you're not an Asian beta bucks and goes on her merry way. Some other Asian beta can be her white knight. Have sex with them and then move on. You are not entitled to a woman's past!

        [–]Thelaterbloomerstory -3 points-2 points  (11 children)

        this whole asian being low SMV thing is more reality than stereotypes.

        white guys in general are taller, in better shape, and more social. All these traits work to your benefit in the western world. The problem with asian men is that you rarely have one that is tall, in good shape, and social. Ironically, when you do have an asian like that he is practically guaranteed an above average looking white girl.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 6 points7 points  (9 children)

        you rarely have one that is tall, in good shape, and social

        In all seriousness, where are you looking? What "reality"? Answer: only a white-dominated reality aka the West. And even then, only certain parts of the West aka non-big cities. Growing up in a metro with a huge Asian population and living in Asia now, what you said simply isn't true for large Asian areas.

        white guys in general are taller, in better shape, and more social

        White dudes are in better shape? That is outright bullshit. Over 1 of every 3 adult white males are obese. You know what the obesity rate is in Korea? Less than 1 in 20. In better shape, my ass.

        Further, English teachers in Asia are some of the worst dressed, unfashionable, out of shape people you will ever meet. You'll respond that I'm cherry picking the worst. I should go to Miami Beach! Well that's exactly what you're doing if you're citing the Statistics grad student from China at your local university or the computer geek in chess club at your high school.

        And Asians aren't social? Uh...again, have you been to K-town in LA where Asians are partying and going to booking clubs? Do you even know what a booking club is? Have you been to Circle in NYC (where they even prohibit non-Asians from entering)? Again, your anecdotal experience doesn't cut it.

        So what you refer to as "rarely" is only insofar as you are talking about your life in a bubble. Yes, in a city with a 5% Asian population in suburban Ohio/Kentucky where the only Asians are grad students, you're statement will ring true and I won't deny that. But I guarantee you if you waltz into a room salon in K-town your perception will change, and being white not only won't help...it's actually a detriment (See /r/korea or /r/china for all the white dudes crying racism about how some girls won't talk to them or they can't into some local bar. Doesn't sound very "more social" to me...).


        Lastly, people need to learn how to differentiate between race being connected to SMV within specific cultures (true) versus race being connected to SMV across ALL cultures no matter what (false).

        The former is why male sex symbols in white countries are white (duh) while male sex symbols in Asia are...Asian (again, duh). The latter is why many white guys travel overseas and are incredibly disappointed by their experience...not because their experience was intrinsically bad, but because they simply had misplaced expectations that their race = better than all the locals and they found it wasn't true.

        [–]1Dev_on 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        So long as this is getting enforced when that one racist thread comes up every now and again whenever black Dick is part of the CC... Then giver.

        I know it's hard for a lot if guys to ditch their crutches, hopefully your post is the glenross speech for them

        [–]TI69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I'm all for a no-whining policy but this "We have a no racism policy on TRP" stuff really doesn't get enforced the other way at all. That's you see racist sentiments come up whenever 'black dick as part of the CC' comes up as you said, or TRP Endorsed contributors calling brown people ragheads...no one bats an eye. It's all "man fuck that PC stuff, cry me a river" until suddenly you got white guys whining about how the term race traitor has 'racist undertones' and is racist to white guys.

        [–]Locastor 14 points15 points  (1 child)

        Can we generalize this to every ethnicity? Because I would enjoy not ever having to read that type of thread again.

        [–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's over-simplifying unique challenges to every ethnicity but I guess each group will have to make their own sub-reddit. Personally I don't have a problem as I think it's interesting to see the different challenges other guys have with their own Women. Unfortunately the mods have a different opinion.

        [–]Syn3rgetic 12 points13 points  (8 children)

        27yo Asian only 5'9. Over the past year since I've swallowed the pill, I've been pulling home HBs so often I've gotten a bad rep with the women in my social circle as 'playboy'. It works. Just stfu. Being Asian isn't a problem. Just gotta find your niche and demographic.

        [–]ConfusedAndHungry 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Good to hear. Asian bro here as well. What have you discovered as the "niche" women that like Asians? It doesn't seem to be too obvious me. Maybe the geeky STEM kind, seems like some of them like Asians. Haven't found too good of a reaction from white chicks but I haven't looked too hard.

        [–]Syn3rgetic 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        STEM is definitely the way to go. Nerdy girls dig Asian guys who are into the pop culture stuff. Become hipster. Don't try to be a white guy. Just like how there are things white guys can do, we can't, we have lots of things we can do that white guys can't. Women have more tolerance for Asian guys who are nerdy than for white guys.

        [–]ConfusedAndHungry 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yeah that's what it seems like...I don't work in STEM though, business field. Probably going to be a little tougher but those girls are still out there fortunately. I seem to get decent reactions from black girls too. You notice that too?

        [–]Syn3rgetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I actually work in finance/accounting industry as well. We're really attractive to Asian girls but unfortunately relatively unattractive to white girls in that regard. I'm also a freelance photo/cinematographer and sound engineer, and that's where I meet most of the girls. They are usually quite attractive, want a big break in film, music, and dance. White, Asian, whatever. However, with regards to black girls, I do not have any experience because I live in Canada and black people are kinda rare up here. I would love to try a black girl though. Haha.

        [–]whinemoreplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        AWALT.

        Be charming. Be handsome.

        [–]Hokuto199x 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I'd like to just take a moment to THANK YOU for this. I come here to read about THE RED PILL. The racial self-pity card was tiresome the first time it came up. Things we can't control impact SMV. Yes it's okay to discuss and be aware of it, but the butthurt crying just is not productive.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        The racial self-pity card was tiresome the first time it came up. Things we can't control impact SMV. Yes it's okay to discuss and be aware of it, but the butthurt crying just is not productive.

        Yes. You get it. There's no harm in discussing things we can't control, but complaining about them is utterly pointless. If you can't change them you have to accept them or you will end up torturing yourself.

        [–]JackGetsIt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        We need a well written sidebar post about why using the title of minority is just an excuse and how to go about actually improving your SMV. It will be a direction we can send these types of posters.

        [–]Relevantex 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        As a short black guy, I completely agree that whining and bitching about race makes me sick. It screams an insecure, victim mentality.

        However at the same time I do understand where the complaints are coming from. I've been in a uncommon situation where I've met a lot of Asians and Indians from school/work, and their hypergamy is...unique when it's so wound into the culture. If you're trying to hook up with Asian/Indian chicks with the "Beta Bux/Provider" application in hand, especially if they're Americanized, you're just going to have a bad time. Race and and definitely skin color means that much more to them as they want to show off the high status men they were able to catch while walking around in rich areas (shopping with his credit card). My suggestion is only offer her some fun for a night - the Alpha Fux position. Do not bother applying for the Beta position. Ever. But that goes for all women.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I'm ethnically Chinese. I was born in Guangzhou to a Malaysian mom and a Chinese dad. Spent my childhood in Hong Kong and Malaysia, studied in Hong Kong, and now work all over Asia.

        I've dated dozens of both local and foreign chicks. And I'm honestly very average when it comes to looks. The things I've got going for me is the fact that I've got a decent height, a good job, a willingness to approach, an ability to hold good conversation and a good build. Count how many of those you develop too.

        While the bias is somewhat real, what use is it in whining about it? Why do asian girls or girls of any race for that matter owe anything to you?

        As a man, be very grateful; first impressions aside, women are very forgiving of superficial faults. Keep approaching. Display value. I don't even care if you're crippled, you can score.

        [–]1IdiDadaAmin 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        About time. Do we have the same outlook regarding people who copy/paste their attitudes towards white women dating outside their race from the stormfront website? I see it all as fundamentally the same:

        Not getting what you want? Fix your shit, don't bitch about it.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S,M] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Do we have the same outlook regarding people who copy/paste their attitudes towards white women dating outside their race from the stormfront website?

        We have a no racism policy on TRP. If white women want to fuck asian, black or whatever men, then they're going to do that. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Those conversations do not belong in TRP. TRP cares about what WE CAN CONTROL not WHAT WE CAN'T. I've tried to make that as clear as possible in the OP, too.

        [–]earthforce_1 9 points10 points  (10 children)

        I find the term race traitor to be offensive. Date whoever the hell you want.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        It certainly has racist undertones.

        [–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        It could be rooted in aversion to being infiltrated or conquered by an outside group. Human history is not pleasant with respect to different tribes and nations interacting with each other. The women often yield to the victors. It's unsurprising that men may feel a sort of 'race betrayal' but have no problem seeking out women themselves (asymmetric 'double standards' is more the norm than the exception).

        [–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I don't encourage calling something offensive, but yeah, it's something shitty however you look at it.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        I've said it before, I'll say it again.

        Asian women owe no loyalty to the "Asian race", because they did not have a choice about joining it.

        We can talk about how it's harder for Asian men and how to deal with that, but Asian women don't owe you shit just because you're genetically similar.

        No one owes you shit unless and until they receive something from you that puts them in your debt.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Let's get a round of applause for /u/Whisper. He gets it.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Agreed, but I think the point of race traitor posts is to point out the unique phenomenon of washed up Asian sluts securing their beta bux by faking a preference for culture when in fact it's merely an effective lie that Asian betas all too happily buy into.

        It's less about them fucking outside the race and more about being lying manipulative bitches.

        [–]easternenigma 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I have to agree overall but there's also some shit that's obvious trolling and fake advice given for asian/indians for laughs too.

        There's also a lot of whining by guys that obviously need to work on their own shit. They want a bandaid and a kiss for their wounded soul.

        None of those things will be forthcoming in society.

        That's why i've always maintained that improving yourself and self infatuation is actually a good priority.

        [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's why i've always maintained that improving yourself and self infatuation is actually a good priority.

        The utmost, if anything's worth caring about or focusing on, it's yourself.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        They want a bandaid and a kiss for their wounded soul.

        Precisely.

        And that's for women. Success, not sympathy, is balm for the wounded soul.

        [–]RedPillProphet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Agreed as a brown guy however there is some value in discussing these things. E.g. One of the things that I find works really well for me is going out with a group of white friends, it automatically gets rid of a lot of negative stereotypes about me. Another powerful tactic I have used is having a beta white guy around me or just demonstrating dominance over a bunch of white guys. This changes the perception of even the most racist girls.

        [–]12ToneRow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Most of the complaining I read here is from guys who are offended that girls of another race are not throwing themselves at him. It doesn't surprise me that not every chocolate princess is into white meat.

        [–]REDitor100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm on mobile so hopefully this isn't posted yet but Julien from RSD posted this recently. This video instantly changed my frame of mind about this topic.

        http://youtu.be/qEF0mTUFgns

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          [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S,M] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          It's provocative so you pay attention and remember it. You don't have to like it, but you sure won't forget it. I know what I'm doing. Bringing tone into question is against the rules anyway, we value content over tone. So if you want to tone police, prepare to be banned for concern trolling. Hate all you like, go on, please, please do. Waste your energy. It will benefit you in no way whatsoever. A lot of you have issues with authority, you are the same people who moan that the sub isn't moderated enough and that the signal is falling.

          When we "don't mod" you bitch the place is falling apart.

          When we do, you criticize how it's done. How we said what we said, it could have been less aggressive? Really? You're in a male space moaning someone is swearing? Oh the fucking irony. It's like being in a debate club with whiny SJWs. If you've never shot the shit with a bunch of other guys who swear and speak very candidly, that's very revealing of where you're at. I think really, unless you have any value to add to the conversation, you shouldn't say anything. Also, toughen up. Attacking tone = emotional response. Attacking logic = rational response. "I don't like how you spoke to me!" = I don't care how you feel. Now if you have a solid criticism to make, one with a point and reasoning, your inquiry will be indulged.

          Either way the sub's best interests come first, not my internet popularity. This isn't a personal issue so feel free to think I'm a jackass, how you feel or anybody feels about me is irrelevant.

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            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            I didn't realize you had a race traitor thread. Thanks, more trash for me to clean out.

            [–]ztsmart 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            How is this different than a short dude complaining that short women much prefer tall men?

            [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Well, I can think of one way in which it'd be different:

            There is a large amount of history and media exposure that directly benefits white males, to the detriment of non-white males. While some of the attraction toward particular races may be "inherent", the social-valuing nature of women dictates that most of it is probably socialized.

            Meanwhile, women everywhere are just pretty inherently attracted to tall men (although there's some degree of socialization there too, since pretty much all women like things when they hear that other women like them)

            [–]joquarenty 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            The anger is correct, it's just applied at the wrong places.

            I'm indian. I've seen lots of hot indian girls choose beta white guys over much more alpha indian guys in college and high school. It pissed me off at those women. My anger was more at those specific women's choices, not the guys they fucked.

            Since finding trp, I've worked on my game. Acting a little dark triad works well with indian women I guess because Indian culture is strongly white knight. My success rate is still low but I'm definitely working on it. Trp, don't delete asian posts, just delete any racist stuff out. These posts are a godsend to asian guys like me.

            [–]Limekill 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            If an Indian (or certain asian cultures) man wants to get into an arranged LTR, there chance of divorce is low... like really, really, really low: http://www.everythingengagement.com/arranged-marriage-statistics.html (or google it).

            I would much rather a divorce statistic like that and get a bit less pussy upfront. All you have to do is ensure good pre-selection (with a low partner count, etc), plus most Indian/Asian girls are taught at least some traditional skills (cooking, etc). You actually have the chance of building assets, having good family life and not worry everyday that your ass is going to be divorced because she has some random tingles...

            I think thats a damn great advantage!!!... and yet no one talks about that.

            [–]Pubesauce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It is weird that nobody talks about that. How many beta white guys wish that they could just have an arranged marriage with a very low chance of infidelity or divorce (due to enormous social pressure)? Sure it's not terribly romantic, but it beats the hell out of the dating scene if you're not having any success at it. Having it setup this way is much more conducive to success in life if your goals are to have a stable family where the focus is on your career and kids instead of some fantasy-based romantic relationship that is likely to fade over time. Romantic love doesn't last - the practical aspects of a relationship do. And while western families are tearing apart because mommy got tingles for the pool boy or daddy had a midlife crisis, these traditional families from East and South Asia are creating a better environment to raise children in. One of the reasons why Asians are the wealthiest racial group in this country.

            [–]myepicdemise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            There's no point in getting angry. This sub is all about changing things you can control. A woman who only goes for a certain race simply wants to boost her value and reeks strongly of insecurity. It is definitely the type of woman to stay away from.

            [–]TRP-Gunsmith 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Thank god. I don't post, just lurk, but here's a story for all the short Asian guys.

            My father is 5'4" and from the South Pacific. My mom is also 5'4", white, and was easily an 8 in her day. My dad managed to pull her in high school (1970's) and they're still married. Dad has a handsome face, but honestly absent everything else he brings to the table that wouldn't have been enough.

            He's a gifted musician and worked hard when he was young to develop his talent. He was jacked. He was popular and had a ton of friends and an outgoing personality. Friends he made from those days still regularly call him and see what's going on. He didn't put up with people's shit. His tall white friends called him "Beef and Rice" and he laughed it up with them and didn't get pissy.

            If my dad could pull it off in the 70's, why not you?

            [–]Krobrah_Kai 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Asian man here. I have to agree with OP that these racial hang up posts are cringeworthy and counterproductive for Asian men and the overall trp community. All we can change is ourselves.

            I would, however, like to see some underdog victory field reports from brothers of similar shade. I am here to learn to successful strategies. What are some niches that Asians have experienced success?

            [–]bobbatosakosanose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Thank you. This sub was starting to get annoying.

            [–]wp8_820 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Time and time again I see mods intervene to prevent this place from being another circle jerk here on reddit, which is a good thing.

            [–]Ojisan1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I support and appreciate this subreddit's zero tolerance policy on whining.

            [–]TheWindyCity 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            In regards to the whole Asian women dating white guys thing, no one seems to take into account that the majority of the American population is white and less then 10% of Americans are Asian. Therefore if any given women were dating an average cross section of society it would make sense that most of her boyfriends were white. If anything minorities exclusively dating minorities implies a greater statistical bias

            [–]easternenigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's only 4% of the U.S. population. Which means less than <2% asian women. Asians are about as common as africans in Spain.

            [–]PlusGoody 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I am all for this. But I still do think that we should allow for the the schadenfreude threads about Asian / Indian women who slutted it up for 15 years all of sudden getting a hankering for the nerdiest co-ethnic doctor / engineer that their moms can introduce them to do. That's useful as a specific variation of Wall-hitting that a good Red Pill knowledge base should not omit.

            [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Seriously, thank god this has happened. If you are any race and any height and any anything, we will strategize with you. Whatever you are, TRP members of varying experience levels can discuss what you can do to maneuver your low-self-esteem penis into whatever type of pussy you want. It's all do-able. You just have to approach it with the "what can I do to get better" attitude.

            Asians been breeding like no other; if you are Asian, Indian, etc, chances are someone with your genetics a few generations ago was alpha as fuck, bred multiple women, and was successful enough that he led to a chain reaction that got your ass comfortably established in America. That is a generalization, yes, but it's likely true - every Asian culture has a lot of ingrained alpha behaviors into it. You just have to find it and if you must, find a mentor from your race and see how they do it. I studied abroad in Korea and expected these Starcraft playing college kids as my competition; in reality, you have men who by 22 have fought in the army for 2 years, have a circle of men they ride and die for, and have a RP focus on getting to a high status through making rational, unemotional life choices.

            Man the fuck up. You aren't weak because you are Asian or Indian. You are weak because you are weak. Take personal responsibility; you have the same testosterone that runs through all men and ran through the veins of Caesar, Gengkis, Lincoln, Tyson, etc. Genetics matter for the highest level of physical competition, yes, but they do not matter for any RP related pursuit.

            Remember, you don't attract what you want. You attract what you are. If you attract only girls who see you as a software engineer they can reliably live the middle-upper class life with after their sea of dicks, you are a beta bucks, and that is on YOU, that is not on women. That is not on Asian women or even their mothers who told them to do that - that is on you and your fellow beta buck brethren.

            You are the race traitor if you whine about this shit because you're the one giving us a bad name. You are like the women who complains about the wage gap or about how scarce female jobs are in tech when she hasn't ever tried to actually study computer science. No, you are worse than the woman who complains about how the wage gap is keeping her down, because you have the faculties of a man - we expect placing blame externally from women, but for you, there is no excuse for that behavior.

            [–]newlifeasredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This should be at the top of this whole thread

            [–]4_YRT 5 points6 points  (9 children)

            Consider this post a litmus test. If you have a visceral reaction and feel the need to express your butthurt in the comments, that too will earn you a ban. Let's see how many of you are on top of your self-control today.

            I've posted in the past on other mod posts that threatened instabans for "snark" or "humor" and expressed my humble and respectful opinion that banning something you don't like is not the solution. My opinion, and that's all it is, is that every opinion should compete in the free marketplace of ideas (so long as the idea is not directly threatening or harassing anybody, or inciting violence, or in anyway violating another person's rights.)

            When you make a forum available to the public, like Reddit r/theRedPill, you are inviting people to contribute, and therefore you have to accept the contributions even if you don't like them. If you want r/theRedPill to be your own private club that only accepts a narrow band of posts and opinion that you like and agree with, then make the subreddit private.

            My humble and respectful opinion is to let the reddit mechanics sort the wheat from the chaff. If we're sick and tired of reading posts by whiny Asian men complaining about things they can't change, we'll either ignore the post or down vote it into oblivion.

            So long as the post is a genuine and honest opinion, rather than a clear attempt to troll, it deserves to compete with any other post in the free market place of ideas.

            Finally, it really concerns me that MachiavellianRed would threaten banning just for disagreeing with the OP, and expressing that disagreement in a forum that is specifically designed to elicit debate (that's why we have a reply button and an up vote and down vote button attached to every post.) I don't consider it RedPill at all to completely foreclose any argument or disagreement just because you have the power to do so. If my opinion is wrong, I'll get down voted, but is my opinion so dangerous that I should be banned just for stating it? I sure hope not. I think r/theRedPill is strong enough to survive some occasional dissent.

            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

            Finally, it really concerns me that MachiavellianRed would threaten banning just for disagreeing with the OP, and expressing that disagreement in a forum that is specifically designed to elicit debate (that's why we have a reply button and an up vote and down vote button attached to every post.) I don't consider it RedPill at all to completely foreclose any argument or disagreement just because you have the power to do so. If my opinion is wrong, I'll get down voted, but is my opinion so dangerous that I should be banned just for stating it? I sure hope not. I think r/theRedPill is strong enough to survive some occasional dissent.

            We may use the reddit platform, but many of us worth a damn do not believe in the voting system, especially when it can be so easily manipulated by those outside of the sub (as you don't need to be subbed to upvote or downvote things.) They're called vote brigades, and it's happened numerous times here where good posts have been vote brigaded into oblivion and bad posts have been upvoted to heaven.

            Your opinion is not dangerous, but it breaks the rules. You know concern trolling is a bannable offence right? If I wanted to ban you right now, I would be within my right. This isn't a debate sub or a democracy. You must have us confused with someplace else. We don't trust you to self-govern yourselves, because such a decision is unwise as proven by the signal to noise. There are far more newbs than there are veteran RPers. That's why we take a hard line.

            And every time I come down on these whiny guys who weaken the message, someone such as yourself will talk about free speech and dissent and circlejerking and start constructing some conspiracy about "your rights" and bla bla bla. You have no rights here. This is not a democracy. Not everybody's word is equal. Your upvote is meaningless. If you want to communicate in a way that damages the masculine viewpoint/improve yourself ethos, your idea isn't welcomed here. If you feel that is draconian, so be it, go start your own sub and see how long it lasts in the ocean of blue pill "and fairness" and "letting everyone no matter how uninitiated and retarded they are have a say." These rules exist for a reason. Not to unfairly silence people, but to keep this place constructive and valuable, not swamped by SJWs and people who don't get it. This isn't going to change.

            [–]4_YRT 4 points5 points  (3 children)

            I understand that you have to moderate this subreddit pretty hard to keep it on point and the trolls at bay. But, if the post is a genuine and honest post and consistent with the purpose of TRP, then in my opinion it has the right to be here. Certainly, you have the power to delete any posts that you want to, just like the police have the power to violate the constitution. But, just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean that you should.

            I'm not disagreeing with you that bad posts should be moderated. But if a bad post was made in good faith, the solution should be to delete the post with a message saying why the post was deleted, not banning the user.

            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

            the solution should be to delete the post with a message saying why the post was deleted, not banning the user.

            We don't have the time/resources to administrate/adjudicate over petty complaints and appeals. The sub is too big for that now. We used to do that. Now we ban first and ask questions later. If you appeal via modmail, all the mods will look at the ban decision. If the ban is not adequately reasoned, or there is a suspicion power was abused or a ban was on a faulty or weak premise, or perhaps you were banned in error or are "truly innocent" you will be unbanned. We have unbanned numerous people who have found to be innocent. If the mod can rationally justify their ban decision and point to evidence of the rule violation however, do not expect to be unbanned. We know people come back on throwaways, but we also know losing your rep/karma and having to make a new account and start again is annoying. People usually fix their attitude and become better members once they lose their access once (or twice, or however long it takes a particular person to get over themselves.)

            [–]emblasochist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Not that my upvote will mean anything, but people here need to realize that just because we're subscribed to TRP doesn't mean we agree with, let alone, behave in accordance with the mentality behind TRP. There are plenty of BP people that come in and comment and muddle the mixture, so to speak, as well as the not-so obvious former BP folks trying to unplug and not getting it, before they start talking about things they don't grasp. TRP is about taking responsibility for what you can change and accepting the reality of those things you cannot. Don't like the direction the mods take the sub? You can move on with their intervention or on your own accord.

            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Yep. Much better the whiners leave than remain.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            My humble and respectful opinion is to let the reddit mechanics sort the wheat from the chaff.

            So what does one do then when running a sub which has a culture counter to the culture of the general reddit population? Wait to be absorbed?

            That policy doesn't make sense. It assumes that the majority of Reddit users who are voting on threads in TRP are of the culture being promoted here. There is no guarantee about that, even if they have to be subbed.

            This sub is ran by a protocol and a set of ethics. It's perfectly fine to defer to that rather than popular opinion.

            [–]4_YRT 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            well then if that's your opinion about Reddit and the voting system in general, then maybe Reddit isn't the right forum for TRP. We all like reddit because it has a huge user base so we know that more people will see the stuff that we post. But, if you're really so concerned about voter manipulation and the problems inherent in a counter cultural subreddit, then a pro-cultural forum like reddit might be the wrong platform.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            well then if that's you opinion about Reddit and the voting system in general, then maybe Reddit isn't the right forum for TRP.

            No, Reddit is a great place for TRP. Just because there is voting doesn't mean the moderation must defer to it. Your opinion about how voting works runs contrary to how Reddit works in general.

            [–]internetn00b 2 points3 points  (6 children)

            I'm Asian mixed with White, grew up in a white neighborhood. It's not any harder for me. You just need to be funnier and wittier than the white people around you. I don't understand the people who put way too much thought into this.

            [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 1 point2 points  (5 children)

            Why do you identify yourself as Asian and say that you are 'mixed with white?' Aren't you half white half Asian? I am and I have never called myself Asian, I'm mixed race and identify as such.

            [–]internetn00b 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Fair question. I'm 3/4 Korean and 1/4 Brit. The Korean genes show way harder. But next to other Koreans there's a noticeable difference. Next to whites an even more noticeable difference.

            Edit: My father is the half/half

            [–]mythrowawaybruh 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Americans have applied the one-percent drop rule for forever. At least when it pertains to blacks (why many children of black-white relationships refer to themselves as black). Guessing the guy looks more predominantly Asian and identifies as Asian.

            [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            That's fucked up. It's like nobody cares if you call yourself Asian or black when you're actually half white but people lose their shit when you say you're white. It's like being white is an exclusive club that you can't be in if you're not 100 percent. What's even more fucked up is when I've seen people ask mixed people about their race and they say 'oh you're half Malaysian? I barely noticed' and the mixed person says 'Oh thanks.' What a world we live in. Anyways, I'm mixed and my identity is my own so I'll never say I'm White or Asian.

            [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The "one drop rule" has a long, sordid history in our country.

            [–]Andress1 2 points3 points  (8 children)

            TL,DR:join the rat race and better yourself to exhaustion just to be good enough to fuck average women.

            Sometimes the best way to play a handicapped game is not to play at all,because,you know,not all of us can become the top 20%,and if everyone did it the bar would raise again because of hypergamy.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            Then why are you in this sub at all if you don't want to "play at all?" Did you miss the entire point of this place?

            [–]Andress1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

            Because for me the red pill is NOT about getting girls but instead seeing the world and women for what they really are,and adopting an alpha mindset and living our own lives according to what makes us happy.That includes learning about gender dynamics and using it in our favour.

            Instead of that it transformed in the bodybuilding misc:go to the gym,earn money and be successfull in your career,be much better than the average guys so you can get average or above average women.

            What would happend if everybody would be like that?Insane requirements to get a girlfriend or have sex,because of hypergamy and 20-80 rule.

            What would happen if everybody would be MGTOW?A balanced dating market or favoured towards men,because women wouldn't have endless supply of thirsty men eager to do anything for sex.Men need to understand that you dont have to do insane amouts of self improvement just do have a healthy dating/sex life.The current situation is very skewed towards women.

            That's why i think MGTOW is clearly superior.Sadly its superiority is only tangible if a high enough number of men do it.I hope it materializes in the future.Japan and the grass eating men is the prime example of what could we become in the future.

            [–]fortifiedoranges 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

            Had this conversation plenty of times with guys on here. I do agree with you though.

            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            If you want to be a MGTOW then be one.

            It's not about a rat race, it's about being the best who you can be for yourself. If you do that, women come to you as a result because you're not just high SMV but you have a positive, sociable, personable attitude.

            [–]NoodlesTheClown 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            I have no clue why this comment is being down voted, because it's 100% accurate.

            Attracting women is NOT the goal here. The goal is to constantly work on being the best man you can be, every day, simply because that in and of itself is the ultimate goal.

            The Red Pill isn't a methodology. It's not a means to an end, and women certainly are not the "end". The Red Pill is a realization, an acceptance of what is and what isn't.

            When you accept reality for what it is, and you take control of your life the way we discuss here, then women will come to you. Bitches are simply a byproduct of a life well lived. They are accessories to your mission; they are not the mission itself.

            Stop chasing tail, and start chasing excellence. The chicks will come on their own.

            [–]1Dev_on 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Lot of young guys here. Getting laid is their world.

            [–]fisformyfist 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            Hell yes. I think you should also include dudes who come on here complaining about their height and shortness.

            [–]ProductivityMonster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I think the moderators should distinguish between useless complaining/whining and posts soliciting useful advice to get over this (or any other) insecurity. The problem is that the whining posts often lead to useful advice from other commenters so we may be decreasing the overall useful content by banning anything related to height/race/etc.

            [–]Genghis-Brah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Those Asians just have to have better role models. Look into Genghis Khan and adopt his mentality and never let the white man bring you down.

            [–]spaceman77 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            If all asian men were Bruce Lee there would not be a problem.

            http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1so5j7_i-am-bruce-lee-documentary_tv

            As one woman says in the documentary "Bruce Lee gave asian men balls!"

            [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            As one woman says in the documentary "Bruce Lee gave asian men balls!"

            That is hilarious.

            [–]Space-Boy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            As an Asian male I completely agree with OP. Why waste energy complaining about your "problem" instead of investing that energy into solving it. I.E. raising your own SMV.

            [–]magnus_r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Gandhi said: "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." ...keep to it, the world owes you nothing. no one does.

            [–]eagleclaw457 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I came into this post thinking that you are just going to be some hardass about it. But I see your point and agree. Although, the violent language is uncalled for, but I get the picture.

            [–]_valtiel_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I agree with everything you just said. Though I feel Asian men still have it the roughest with the amount of WM/AW couples out there. Who cares though, date a black chick, a latin chick, or a white chick yourself. If you encounter a hypergamous asian chick yourself, hump and dump her.

            Complaining won't solve anything, better to just accept it as what it is and move on. There are literally billions of Asian women out there, in fact they out number white women.

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The reality is that Asian guys have it worse. But so what? In what way is hanging around here bitching going to make that situation better?

            Bitching about your situation without doing something about it is what women do.

            I get the need to vent sometimes. I've been there, I ain't white either. But just because something is harder to do doesn't mean you don't try. I don't like using the phrase often, but man the fuck up.

            That said, it pains me when white guys claim there is no SMV disparity between Asians and Whites. That's painfully ignorant and only serves to further antagonize Asian dudes.

            [–]YOUR_A_CHILD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I mean, there IS a difference, even amongst asians.

            Koreans and Japanese people, and some chinese people are top tier, whilst southern asians, and indians have it the worst.

            Just skin color yo.

            [–]monkeyman114 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            How many white guys have a Bruce Lee poster? Why do whites collect Karate and Samurai movies? Asian guys have a lot of masculine heroes that white guys appreciate and sometimes emulate. So why DO white guys like Asian women? Its not what you think. White women in the west are getting FAT. Asian women are thin and look very young for their age. This appeals to white men. Before white women became porkers, it was very unusual to see a white man with an Asian woman.

            [–]RedPillExclusive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Lol seriously, when I saw that guys post I was like wtf are you talking about "race traitor?". So stupid.

            [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            i have lots of asian friends and they get girls and they are asian dudes to the max..engineers, programmers, etc.

            asian dudes..stop acting asian and act american or some shit. you can still get good grades and be cool..white people do it all the time.

            [–]monkeyman114 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Or better yet act Asian. Look at the traditional Asian roles of past society. They didn't have j-pop, k-pop and effeminate heroes back then like you see today in anime cartoons. Whites have fallen for the anime disease as well. MLP is at epidemic levels in white male society....40 year old men watching cartoon ponies, its just unbelievable but its real.

            [–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            There still are plenty of dark triad characters and characters who work at trying to become the strongest in the world. Not sure why most anime loves just enjoy being beta rather than being inspired by the alpha characters.

            [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            they act asian when it comes time to business but the dudes im talking about hit the clubs and run game, they are dark triad.

            [–]lubeoil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Certainly took you a while to get to this point.

            [–]zwiebelsaft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            As an altRPer, all the other gay subs need this kind of wake up call. Nobody wants a mate with that kind of attitude because nobody wants to be manipulated out of racially based guilt. So good on the mods for calling out this bullshit.

            [–]ikeeledmufasa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I didnt realize race traitor was used in a non-prison environment.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I think short men have it worse than asian men, much worse. a 6'0'' asian man in good shape will destroy a 5'1'' white man in similar shape.

            It just happens that a lot of asians are shorter than Europeans. A 5'9'' asian at 165 10% body fat is going to outclass a 5'9'' white at 165 20% body fat.

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              [–]uberpandajesus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              One of the biggest players in the pua community is an Asian dude. David tian is his name I believe?

              [–]neutralstrike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              In my city I see a lot of young Asian guys dating hot white women. Yes, Asian women date white and black guys. I just wanted to point out the trend I see; Asian guys dating white women. Bottom line be the best you can be.

              [–]1NightwingTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah. Those threads are akin to most of TRP whining "I'm not in the movie-star-good-looks category. This is so unfair!" or "I'm not super tall. This is so unfair!" Sure, you won't get to play the game on super-easy mode, but there's plenty of other things you can do to alter the difficulty of the game for yourself. Go do them. You may not play on super-easy, but it's better playing easy or medium mode with good game play than wasting your time on nightmare difficulty and complaining that you lose all the time.

              [–]SQQQ 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              i would have thought black ppl has it the hardest cause all the stereotypes.

              [–]Gbombay90 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              many stereotypes of blacks are more alpha than those of asians (ie. loud, athletic, confident vs nerdy, smart, gamer)

              [–]1 MMachiavellianRed[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

              You would think, but regardless of whether that is true or not, they whine A LOT LESS. If not at all.

              In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a black guy put up a thread saying "I can't get any pussy because I'm black, other black guys back me up?!" Never seen it happen.

              Asians? Seen southeast Asians and Indians do this numerous times. Blame everything on race, show contempt for the white man and take no accountability for their failures. They also tend to pedestalise white girls, whilst getting mad at Asian girls for fucking white guys. No other demographic does this and frames it as a race related issue. I'm sick of seeing this shit, this bullshit doesn't belong here.

              If you want to discuss racial hypergamy, there are more constructive and reasoned ways to do it, refer to OP.

              [–]sir_wankalot_here 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              They also tend to pedestalise white girls, whilst getting mad at Asian girls for fucking white guys.

              Trying to think why white women are better then other women. Seriously. About the only thing I can think of is some white women have pink nipples.

              Compared to black and asian women, white women age a lot quicker. Maybe they do not take care of their skin properly or something. By the time they are 30 thier skin has lines and it is all rough. When they hit 40, they are pretty much unfuckable. They seem to be a mass of disgusting wrinkles and gross skin.

              If is fairly common to meet Asian and Black women who are 40+ and still fuckable. I met one half black half asian chick who was 45 but didn't look more then 30.

              [–]through_a_ways -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              Lighter pigmentation (skin, hair, eyes) is prettier. And having white kids is definitely better.

              Black and Asian women usually age better than whites, but not so Indians and Mideasterners. If anything, they age much worse.

              Plus, dark nipples/pussy really turn me off, especially when combined with lighter toned skin (mainly a problem in Arab/Indian women, some Asians as well)

              [–]feelinglazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Not sure why you get downvoted for this. There seem to be a preference for people with light pigmented nipple/pussy.

              [–]bustergreenwood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I have seen many posts by black men asking about their chances, most might not openly whine about their race but quite a few do know it means a lot.

              As for asians and indians, the thing is, there are some handicaps that exist. I mean lets face it man, white women as factual studies have shown are the strictest on their preference.

              Where I think we can agree on is that whining and beating yourself up for being asian is not going to help, hating white women is not going to help, and neither will bashing white men. We need to shift the focus to what you can do.

              Outside of lifting and maxing your SMV, I think we can talk about location. In Canada I rarely saw any asian men having success in Toronto or Vancouver but the second I went to Montreal I saw so many asian and indian men with white women.

              [–]boxofcookies101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Honestly if your bitching about your race as a Asian dude in an Asian country. You need to get your shit together. Go lift. If you manage to look like a muscular Asian that already puts you above 80% in the asian pool. At that point your a rarity people that like Asians will flock to you. Develop a confident attitude and you will be clawing them off of you.

              TL:DR don't bitch about being Asian. Be happy because your average Asian won't be solving his shortcomings like you. Nor will they slay as much pussy as you.

              [–]Tridic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              (This was originally typed up in reply to someone (not OP), and I liked a few of the points I made - didn't want to delete.)

              You're missing the point. Its not a debate, its not a democracy. Your opinion doesn't matter. If you don't like how they're running things, leave.

              "Race traitor" is a fucking stupid concept anyways. "Race" is a contrived way of categorizing people as every "race" has a huge range of variability of any characteristic. Stereotypes of "race" is a result of a culture group having consistently similar actions/preferences. Breaking someone's preconceived expectations of the culture group they may think you belong to, is the way to differentiate yourself from the pack.

              Be different, be interesting. Juxtaposition works wonders (having two attributes not typically associated together made more prominent by proximity i.e. Tax attorney who does weekend standup comedy or a tech specialist who enjoys skydiving). Also learn to cook. Really.

              Telling dudes to avoid interactions with women because they may have preferences is fucking ridiculously beta. It gives all the power to women. Strive to become the preference. We're already limited enough in society; don't fucking limit yourself further! If a girl has only "dated white" it doesn't fucking matter. If you're exceptional she won't give a shit what color you are. She and everyone else will see you've transcended beyond any sort of easy categorization, thereby making your "race" a smaller component of your "self".

              Your advice is bad, you sound really whiney, and this isn't "debate". Debate is only necessary when there isn't a strong support of evidence to either side and results are therefore able to be "interpreted". Don't debate, go get fucking better evidence. This is a collaboration of men to figure out together how to be happier and successful in life in a post-feminist society. Making excuses for your failures and passing it along as advice or an "acceptable failure" is the fucking opposite of what this is about.

              PS Your North Korea comment is way off the mark contextually. Become more geopolitically aware, or avoid using political statements if you're ignorant.

              [–]bustergreenwood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I agree with you on two things:

              1. No more victim's mentality, no threads on it and no posts on it. No more women hate me because I am this or that race.

              2. No more race bashing, in fact I have found plenty of white guys out there are more than open to helping a man of another race get hot girls.

              That said....

              What about threads discussing specific advice for asian and indian men? One I see a lot of benefit in is discussing location, for some reason I have found that Asian and Indian men find it almost impossible to do well in the bay area or cities such as Toronto and Vancouver but on the other hand I have found that places like Florida and Texas are great for Asian guys that want to go for other races. For some reason, in certain cities the culture is set up against certain kinds of women.

              Also another thing, I find that asian and indian men who go interracial get a lot more hell for it for some reason. Not just from white guys but just society in general, what about threads asking how to maintain frame in that situation?

              As for my opinion, I have nothing against asian men exclusively preferring white women. Asian American women in general are just not worth it because so many of them openly ridicule men of their own race. Many of my asian and indian friends exclusively prefer white women and some do have success with them, why should we judge them for what they prefer?

              [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thank you! I am so tired of reading these pity party threads.

              Perhaps we can consider a pity party ban on the short guy threads also? Obviously a thread on gaming while short is fine but some of them are just bitchy, whiny bullshit that also contribute nothing.

              Your 5'4" tall and all the girls go for taller guys. Who knew? My mom is a Borderline Personality Disorder psycho and my Dad bleeds blue crap from his veins. Get over it already.

              [–]daRedmist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm Asian and agree with everything you just said. Some of my friends keep complaining how white girls don't like asian guys and how asian girls only go for white guys.

              To me that's just bullshit and I choose not to believe it. You gotta stop being pussies and start taking action. Instead of worrying about your race or height, improve things that you do have control over like getting in shape or working on social skills.

              I'm 21 years old and only 5'5ft tall. I used to weigh 135lbs but after working out I'm at 170lbs.

              Stop making excuses.

              [–]zxsteven 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              You know, it's not much different for other guys in general. Regardless of race, everyone has the same problems.

              I'm a white amateur Ufc fighter.

              Exercise daily,

              read books,

              college degree,

              and pretty much never stop developing myself.

              I have no problem getting other white women, what do I have a problem with? Racially diverse women.

              Literally every single Mexican girl I've talked to has only been interested in other Mexican guys.

              Asian girls? 50/50 between white or Asian guys. Depending on their language barrier usually.

              Black women? Black guys.

              Yet knowing this, I've never once thought, if only I was like him.

              Another thing to understand is the type of women you're going for. A lot of girls I meet are just lower class party girls. I'm 23 and that's how people are. I could care less how pretty she is, if she's not on the same page as me, she's not worth my time.

              [–]feelinglazy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              That's bullshit. Asian girls are like slam dunk for white guys. Not trying to be hateful but plural of anecdote is not data.

              [–]zxsteven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I know, fobs. It could depend on a lot of variables, amount of money you have, if they need citizenship, what kind of person they are, a lot of stuff. All of my girl friends were Asian, but I assumed the guy writing the post wasn't interested in Asian women as much, so I didn't focus it. Plus, I don't think he's white.

              [–]brahswell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Most likely they are unattractive from an asian perspective. I understand that not being overweight automatically makes you above average in America. Kinda sad.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes. This.

              The best comment I have ever read about this topic on reddit was something as follows. "Raising your voice against the injustice will not get you laid, raising THIS will". With "THIS" hyperlinked to a picture of a dumbbell.

              [–]evilquesadilla 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              LOL, Asian man here. I participated in a bit of discussion before the weekend and I guess this topic blew up. But yeah I agree. Sure, Asian women don't like me, but all I had to do was go after non-Asian women, problem solved.

              Asian man whine is just like the nice guy whine, and it's just like any man-whine. Do that and you look like a little bitch, regardless of the circumstance.

              Short guys actually have it the toughest IMHO. I suppose if anyone is allowed to whine, the short guys should get first dibs. Once in a while I'll see a short guy with a hot girlfriend. I always pay silent respect to those guys. They've got game.

              [–]newlifeasredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This should be motivating for people

              I look forward to FUTURE 2X and /relationship posts from white women who can't seem to get enough of that Asian Alpha clock that is under construction as of right fucking now!

              [–]monkeyman114 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Just find a woman that makes you happy. I had an Asian friend, he was short, he was ugly, he was overweight...he always had girlfriends. Its not how you look its how you act.

              [–]Oakland_dude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thank you. That shit was getting old. Man the fuck up.

              [–]Kyuzo_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I know this has been said before but it's worth remembering... Hypergamy doesn't care if you're Asian, black, Jewish, Arab, etc. You're the one with the power to determine your smv, for the most part... use it.

              Again.... Hypergamy. Doesn't. Care.

              [–]MelodyMyst -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

              Should try dating black women. Your SMV would be high to them. Give better sex than Asian women too...

              [–]needmorefat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              preeetttty sure it's all trolls submitting the asian posts anyway. I bet most are the same person from multiple names.