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[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 347 points348 points  (9 children)

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It is to be remembered that "patriarchy" doesn't literally mean "rule by men".

It means "rule by fathers". That distinction is super-important. Fathers are the subset of men who are most invested in society. It is they who are willing to sacrifice their personal welfare for that of society.

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    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 42 points43 points  (2 children)

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    Because feminists socially and politically charged the word to have negative oppressive connotations. Matriarchy comes from maternal, patriarchy comes from paternal - mother and father. Etymology exposing that bullshit.

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        [–]mydarkmeatrises 25 points26 points  (13 children)

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        After reading the Wiki, the woman won. Did she contribute during the show? Did she have any qualities that justified her winning?

        [–]HahahahaWaitWhat 53 points54 points  (3 children)

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        No, but she had some qualities that justified her being selected as the winner in front a TV audience.

        [–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

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        Namely, a vagina.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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        So basically if it was her vs a guy in the finale she'd probably get all the votes from dudes with dicks and maybe a few feminista votes.

        [–]rebuildingMyself 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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        She'd get all the feminista votes and some white knights.

        [–]nshaq 25 points26 points  (1 child)

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        The thing about these "competitions" is like this... If someone is exceeding and is really successful, many of the other players vote him out, because they are no match against that person. They eliminate tough competition this way. So for example if you had two dudes and one chick in the semi finals, the weaker of the two would vote the strong one out because that way they both still have a chance to win. There is a very good chance you end up with the woman and the weaker of the two men in the finals.

        [–]1FloranHunter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        Actually...

        The women couldn't get anything done because they demanded consensus for everything. When it came time for competitions, wouldn't the female strategy then be useful? They'd vote as a bloc against the men who would vote piecemeal. Or so I guess.

        [–]junkiexxl 40 points41 points  (3 children)

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        The show isnt really about surviving skills. Its mostly a social game. Every episode one person has to leave by a voting system. So when you dont have any enemies you have the biggest chance to stay because nobody votes on you.

        The men who claim leadership are usually voted away because they are in the spotlight and sort of responsible for anything that goes wrong. Also strong and productive people are voted away because they are the "biggest threat" in the endgame. Its usually a bunch of women who group up and put all their votes on one person. And the good men vote on each other because they want to eliminate competition.

        This leads to the removal of the best contestants and leaves you with a bunch of women and suckups.

        Also the endgame consists of games where you have to make fire, a raft then paddle 100 meters over sea, but Always ends with a silly game like slingshotting a coconut over a distance of 20 meters in a bucket, pure randomness. This way even the slow contestants can win if the first guy to arrive is unlucky.

        [–]neilmcc 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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        Bit like communism.

        [–]fihsined 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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        Women always win because the guys will vote each other out for invisible pussy and the women will all backstab each other at a 1-1 ratio. so it goes in order of least liked guys -> least attractive women -> guys -> most attractive woman wins. The only time men win are when the women are all 7's and 8's and he's mindblowingly productive/successful.

        [–]rebuildingMyself 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        I'd rather the audience vote people out.

        [–]fihsined 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        It would literally work the exact same way. The only difference is the pussy would be even distant, and thus higher on the pedestal.

        [–]GuideGhost 87 points88 points  (30 children)

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        This perfectly illustrates the problem with the way women operate in groups of other women, and feminists' wish for society: inclusiveness.

        "Everyone gets a say! Everyone gets to participate! Gurrrrl power! Yay!"

        I see this fervor for inclusiveness pop up everywhere:

        • Wanna have a movie where the main character has long blonde hair? Better conveniently write in a plot point where she turns into a short-haired brunette so brunettes don't feel left out.
        • Wanna start a harmless joke movement within programming called "brogramming" where you jokingly brag about drinking beers while writing code? That's not inclusive to women; we need to shame it repeatedly.
        • (I could go on and on, but I wont)

        The problem with this mindset of inclusiveness, of course, is the simple fact that less shit gets done. It's poisonous to productivity. When you need to get the group's permission to do anything, people tend to just throw their hands up and say "fuck it, I'm not going to take any initiative; I'll just live with whatever the group decides."

        The men on the show operated as autonomous agents, building shit, creating tools, making shelter etc because they knew their quality of life would be as high as the amount of effort they put in. It perfectly illustrates why the "patriarchy" has been - and will always be - in charge.

        [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 78 points79 points  (3 children)

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        The problem with this mindset of inclusiveness, of course, is the simple fact that less shit gets done. It's poisonous to productivity.

        I studied Economics in school, and one of the first things I learned was that "specialization increases the pie."

        If I'm great at fixing computers but shitty at fixing cars, I'd create more value for both myself and society at large by working as an IT technician, rather than an auto mechanic. If everyone in a given society does what they're best at, maximum value is created, the economy expands, and everyone's individual piece of the pie is bigger.

        There's a reason gender roles exist. Sometimes people are better at some things than others.

        [–]fihsined 32 points33 points  (0 children)

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        I learn so much here. Fucking thank you.

        [–]RichardBehiel 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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        [–]rebuildingMyself 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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        Feminists only force inclusiveness on men. They have no problem with their women-only areas.

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          [–]phoneprofile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          I saw guys who posted saying quite a bit of the white men walked out on the meetings when it devolved into a massive circle jerk of feminism and minority rights issues. Feminism destroyed the occupy movement. All the leadership guys left early.

          [–]charlie_bodango 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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          Remember OWS? "We don't need leaders." Also feminists and "discriminated aggainst" minority groups hijacking the discussion to complain. And look how well that went.

          [–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          They really didn't need leaders but they DID need a mechanism to keep bullshit out. Leaders can do that though.

          [–]1FloranHunter 17 points18 points  (12 children)

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          A little off-topic but y'all might find this interesting.

          The way the men acted on that island is exactly how (good) worker cooperatives work - everyone is personally responsible for the whole but operates independently. People fill out niches as they need to. This is also how startups work.

          The way the women acted was more like state socialism - everyone is collectively but not individually responsible for the whole. So no one took any initiative so nothing got done.

          [–]rebuildingMyself 8 points9 points  (11 children)

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          The women acted socialist, indeed. They just forgot that they needed someone (a man) to do all the providing for them.

          [–]1FloranHunter 8 points9 points  (10 children)

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          The point of my comment is that there are different kinds of socialism. They embodied the worst kind while the men embodied the best.

          [–]rebuildingMyself 7 points8 points  (9 children)

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          Socialism only works with a very productive tax base supporting the non productive part. Women love socialism as long as they have another group doing the supporting.

          The setup basically split a socialist society between productive and I non-productive groups.

          [–]1FloranHunter 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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          tax

          You're describing state socialism. Anarcho-syndicalism and even just a worker cooperative majority bypasses that bullshit while dramatically reducing inequality.

          Unfortunately central planning and socialism grew to prominence together so people think they're synonymous.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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          Who gives a shit about inequality. You get what you earn.

          [–]wiking85 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          The hereditary underclass cares. There is a reason you get revolutions like in Russia, France, Cuba, Vietnam, China, and so on. Hell, even the Nazis were a revolution against an entrenched system of inequality and privilege of the German ruling class. The New Deal was a Southern, economically liberal/social conservative movement to deal with US inequality that was unfairly baked in the cake, so that someone who was born poor almost always stayed poor.

          [–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          No, you get what you can take. The difference is immense.

          The rich overwhelmingly do not earn their wealth. Usually they inherit it. Occasionally they did something extremely useful to others and get rich.

          [–]moltar 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          Also bike shed effect

          [–]GuideGhost 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          bike shed effect

          Had to look it up, but thank you for bringing this to my attention. I see this law everywhere.

          [–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Ah Parkinson is a goldmine.

          [–][deleted] 201 points202 points  (35 children)

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          This reminds me of that article about the woman that set up the all female company, and it went to shit.

          [–]christiefrontdrive 120 points121 points  (32 children)

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          Link to the thread:

          Women in the workplace - an all-female disaster

          Never fails to raise a smile.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

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          Christ, the video here is just difficult to watch: childish, entitled behavior as per the West's current social/gender contracts.

          [–]Clbull 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Oh dear, the stupidity.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Agree that they are retarded women but this is by no means the norm in the UK.

          [–]MTNlogistics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          That was very entertaining.

          [–]Hormander 71 points72 points  (26 children)

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          We should put feminists in their own country, until it collapses miserably.

          [–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (6 children)

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          There will still be white knights believing that they can't do wrong.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 32 points33 points  (3 children)

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          I would love to see how long it takes for white knights to collapse under the demands and absolutely lose their shit.

          [–]yourlogicisflawed 32 points33 points  (2 children)

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          Well it's already happening, slowly, in western countries.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          I support anything that will make it collapse even faster.

          The sooner feminists have to stand on their own two feet... The sooner feminism will be realized for the bullshit it is.

          [–]VaginalAssaultRifles 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          The collapse would be due to "internalized misogyny".

          [–]rebuildingMyself 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          And willingly move there and be second class citizens to help the fair maiden.

          [–]sway_usa 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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          I would gladly pay to see that.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 21 points22 points  (9 children)

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          There is a modern urban legend of a town in Sweden somewhere with like a population of 2000 that is entirely female. It's actually something that's debated with good arguments supporting it's existence. However, once you take off your tinfoil hat, you realize A) that if they did exist, we'd have found that village eventually and B) No village of just women can sustain itself without men.

          But I still like to believe it exists... Because maybe one day -- ONE DAY -- I'll drunkenly stumble into it as the only man in a cock deprived village of nothing but Swedish women...

          [–]uhuhshesaid 38 points39 points  (5 children)

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          The Umoja Village in northern Kenya is a village of just women that actually sustains itself quite well. The men they left behind, which they accused of raping and beating them, tried to set up rival village across the way. However, in this case the woman's village has flourished, as they've taken advantage of the global economy, marketing their traditional beading skills around the globe. The village receives new members all the time, whereas the male village has become a place where their ex husbands get drunk and threaten to kill them.

          The Witch Villages in Ghana's Volta Region also have towns of mostly women and children that work together and thrive. Most of these women were thrown out of their original villages for practicing Vodun (Voodoo) and sent away with their kids. When most arrive they are devastated, however, after a few months, they settle in and it's created societies that are almost completely without theft or hunger. Something very rare for the African continent.

          Further, if you look at development in Sub-Saharan Africa you will see that micro-loans are given exclusively to women in 99% of the cases. And this isn't because banking companies hate men. But it's because loan companies realized that men tended to spend the loans on booze and clubbing, without paying it back. Meanwhile loans to women are often recouped as the women tended to plant bananas or create self-sustainable businesses out of them.

          In Kenya's Maasai, the men hang out in fields with cattle (who don't do a whole lot of moving on the Mara) talking or playing on their cellphones all day while women do the brunt of food collecting, fixing homes, and taking care of procuring most goods. In fact, most women in that region agree that the men contribute so little, it would be easier if there wasn't another mouth to feed when they eventually amble home.

          In Mukono, Uganda women were offered the opportunity to get micro-loans and the men in their villages laughed at them and said they would never build a successful business and drive their families into debt. This was about 3 years ago and to date, 100% of loans have been repaid on time, and the women are now purchasing new houses in the region, filling it with furniture, and paying for their children to attend school, and receiving proper medical care for the first time in their lives. It's actually astounding how many of these women thought 'being in pain' all the time was normal, with many suffering chronic UTI's and kidney trouble. Now, finally relaxed and in good health, many have expanded their businesses into the capital, Kampala.

          One of my jobs in investigating finance and community projects in Africa. And I'm not saying that African women are better because it's 'feminist' or 'woman's lib'. Women here have shit hard lives that most Western women could not even begin to comprehend.

          That said, it's been pretty thoroughly recognized, from finance companies to governmental and NGO policies, that men tend to get in the way, and cause far more conflicts on this continent. And when women are left to rule, things tend to stabilize out with a focus on education and community development. It's not my opinion, it's universally recognized trends developed by corporations and fiscal enterprises that don't want to put stock in a bad return (in this case, the bad return is men).

          While this program might say something in particular about Western women, if we're talking about social issues with men and women from a more global standpoint, actually there's a lot more to it that's worth considering.

          [–]rhettdu 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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          I really liked this post, and I found it very interesting. It's a nice counterpoint to the idea that a lot of people often get from this board that we're all just women-hating shitheads.

          I think one point is a question of allegiance. Who do you empathise with more easily, a stupid, violent, alcoholic man or a poor but hard-working and ambitious woman? to me, the answer is clear, and it's not because I'm a white knight.

          It's also important that many subsaharan cultures and communities are so different from our own that it may be incomparable. I was told once about how in Nigeria polygamy is common - I'm sure that's the case in a lot of other places as well. When I asked what happened to all the excess men - those who could not "acquire" wives - it was almost as if they didn't exist or didn't matter, I couldn't tell which. My suspicion is that a lot of them emigrate, or start causing trouble.

          Family has a stabilising effect on people. Women with children are going to want the best for them. Men without hope of even getting married are going to blow their cash irresponsibly. Even if it isn't true 100% of the time, it's true often enough to weigh the expectations of each.

          Incidentally, as I understand this (although you seem to be very knowledgeable so maybe you can correct me), when it comes to herding communities, a family's wealth is its animals. You can see why the men would go out with the herd to graze because the family's survival depends on it. They're there to guard the herd not to sunbathe.

          [–]uhuhshesaid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          You are correct that herding and guarding animals is important, and they aren't there to sunbathe. That said, in other regions like South Sudan and Ethiopia, you see men actually guarding their cattle. The Dinka, for instance, are often in skirmishes with cattle thieves and tribal wars can be started on the basis of a goat theft, so their job is important.

          However, the Maasai Mara is highly commercialized and a protected area for that particular tribe. If you go there, not as part of a tour group, but on a random Tuesday, you see most men sleeping or playing 'snake' on their old Nokias while women are breaking their backs in the home. It causes a fair amount of resentment and it's easy to see how it causes conflict. There's a saying that Africa was built on the backs of women. Most men here would agree to that.

          Men who can't get a woman are rare. Polygamy is popular here, not just in Nigeria but all over West Africa and East Africa as well. In a number of areas, thanks to wars in the past 10 years, there is often more women than men, so actually most men don't have that much trouble finding a partner. In fact, it can be considered an act of charity to take on a second or third wife, especially if she's a widow, born of rape and somewhat ostracized (common in Northern Uganda/DRC), or has no prospects for a job or income.

          Men who work in prostitution (and plenty of men in coastal areas --locally referred to as Beach Boys-- do this for Western women) usually end up marrying female prostitutes and scamming Westerners together. One couple I interviewed near Mombasa had a two story house, a Range Rover, and a very comfortable lifestyle thanks to their combined prostitution efforts. Others, who cannot find a female prostitute, end up living out a life of poverty and booze.

          However, a man without a wife is considered a man who hasn't worked for anything. Most men are taught that this is such a high shame, very few suffer that fate. In fact, out of all the men I've met and interviewed in West, Central and East Africa, I've never met one who just never got married. Most always find a mate, even if it's an arranged match, their parents will make sure of that.

          It should also be noted that monogomy here (in both men and women) is considered a 'good thing' but not a static thing. Cheating on your partner is something along the Western equivalent of forgetting to pick up your spouse at the airport. They will be pissed, but it's probably not a deal breaker. That said, combine that with a lack of proper sexual education and you can figure out exactly why the HIV rate here has been so high.

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            [–]1KingofRiders 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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            Why were the comments about women thriving in africa without men deleted? Were they deleted by a mod? Seems pretty misogynistic and hypocritical to me to delete valid arguments like that.

            [–]toothbrush_your_anus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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            they are too fat to fit in a country. send them all to the sun. but lets change the name to the daughter so they will get behind the idea. i would have recommended a black hole but that is a gendered slur

            [–]rapreaper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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            They'll become dirt poor and worse than the worst African nation and then you know who will bailout that nation? A fucking patriarchal nation that's prospering.

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            It won't collapse because they will beg, plead, pout, vaginate, do whatever it takes, basically seduce, some powerful nation's leader into a ballout. I mean, bailout.

            Basically, SeekingArrangementForCountries.com

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              [–]SatanSmiling 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              According to Roosh, Denmark is that country. Read Don't Bang Denmark for his take on the ethos of the country.

              [–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              You mean for a whole afternoon?

              [–]sway_usa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              Feels like Christmas all over again

              [–]FreudJesusGod 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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              Hah. My boss is female. She has repeatedly told me she would preferentially hire men over women, if she had her druthers. More productivity day to day. More productivity over time since men take much less time off (even when you remove pregnancy). Much less "intangible" stuff like drama and infighting. In her words, "men get more done, in less time, and I don't have to adjudicate stupid shit all the time".

              As someone who's had to work with mostly women for the past 8 years, I have to agree. Women, in my experience, are terrible at consistent and predictable work over time. Especially when they work with other women. Their workplace "tenor" is seemingly inevitably toxic and counter-productive. Ugh. Managing them is fucking tiresome. Don't get me started.

              It's like working with teenagers. Except they're 30+.

              [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 92 points93 points  (37 children)

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              You know, I predicted the outcome before even reading it (although I figured the guys would have a clear cut leader). It might also be revealing why Congress is such an eternal clusterfuck.

              Not to NAWALT, but I do wonder though if it could be somewhat cultural, in that do all women feel the need to do consensus based bullshit or is that more of a western thing with democracy and all that shit. Wonder what would happen if they threw a group of asian tiger moms on an island. Perhaps a few catfights to the death before the rest fall in line and make do?

              Edit: Too bad the 3 guys didn't go Jamestown on their asses and told the women that if they wanted to eat, they had to move their asses and work. What are the women going to do, vote them off and be miserable again?

              [–]Lightning14 24 points25 points  (5 children)

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              To add on to your question about cultural: Because this was on television I am assuming the people involved were generally of high attractiveness. For women to become attractive they just have to have good genes, be young, and don't be a glutton. Meanwhile. for men, they require actually working out to develop an attactive muscle build. Additionally, attractive women are used to having others (men) cater to their needs. It would be interesting if this was done with a random selection of women. (ie. Would below average attractive women be more self sufficient?)

              [–]Stopher 28 points29 points  (3 children)

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              Yeah. It's not liked they picked those women based on survival skills. They probably just looked for a bunch of hot chicks who would look good sunbathing on TV.

              [–]vaker 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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              Don't forget the important skill of excellent blow jobs for director and producer.

              [–]lightpath7 17 points18 points  (1 child)

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              The casting hammock.

              [–]erich_von_stalhein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              You made my night.

              [–]zheiroh 24 points25 points  (1 child)

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              "Wonder what would happen if they threw a group of asian tiger moms on an island. Perhaps a few catfights to the death before the rest fall in line and make do?"

              Being in China myself, I can tell you want would happen: a lot of bitching. Tiger moms are very good at giving orders, but most of the time they derive their success from those around them. Tiger moms are parasites.

              [–]erich_von_stalhein 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              A little more bitching, a little less sunbathing.

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              Those guys were awash in value. They had the ability to organize and develop a livable society using their acquired skills.

              They could have just sat on their butts, given the women piecemeal instructions (first steps) and told them to do it or else they wouldn't contribute.

              If they don't cooperate, build a small hut with enough space for one person and fish for yourself.

              [–]Offensive_Brute 26 points27 points  (9 children)

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              I wonder if its cultural too. I have a hard time seeing non-entitled women from say Cambodia, Ghana, or Guatamala sitting around doing nothing.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 27 points28 points  (4 children)

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              Oh I'm sure it's cultural. Cultures that are closer to a primal existence realize red pill truths innately.

              [–]rebuildingMyself 28 points29 points  (2 children)

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              No time for Feminism when there's shit to be done on the farm (and it's not like the husband is reading the paper while she slaves away) . Feminism is born out of boredom of entitled wealthy women.

              [–]thecajunone 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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              And fat men hating lesbians who are only gay because no man would ever touch them.

              [–]1wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              fat, men-hating lesbians

              ftfy

              [–]netgrey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Or a bunch of frontier women from the American 1800s. They'd be out working the men, most like.

              [–]lookingatyourcock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              Why do you think that?

              [–]Offensive_Brute 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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              because in places where life is hard, the people are made of harder stuff. They tend to have more practical skills, to go along with the tough sinewy meat that comes from squatting in the creek and doing laundry with a washboard,and tending a garden and livestock, not as a quaint retro hobby, but to provide your family with necessary nutrients to maintain their vital bodily functions. Also these people are used to being busy, even if its with menial tasks. These are the kind of people who do things just to keep busy.

              [–]1pcadrian 38 points39 points  (15 children)

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              but I do wonder though if it could be somewhat cultural

              You raise a valid point. Culture also has a big influence on the skill set of these women. I'm sure if they had put women from an African tribe on that island, the outcome would've been quite different.

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                [–]erich_von_stalhein 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                If these were normal, urban Dutchmen they probably had about as much experience in building, hunting and fishing as the women. They were probably using common sense or copying what they'd seen on TV.

                The women just couldn't (or didn't want to) think five minutes ahead of the present.

                [–]LaLongueCarabine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                But to the point, the women in African tribes aren't the social justice warriors.

                [–]vaker 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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                In other words the average young western female is worthless these days.

                I remember my granddad's female ideal included strength for farm work.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                Lol yep. My rancher grandmother (grandpa died when I was a baby, RIP) was the toughest woman I ever knew. Herding cattle around and doing ranch stuff like it was nothing, could fish (and clean it), hunt a deer (and help clean it), and could cook like nobody else I knew. If she was on that Island she would have been queen bee in no time.

                In the ranch world, there is always work to be done. A woman moving out there expecting horse riding and shopping for new cowgirl outfits would not last a week.

                [–]gopher88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Remember my Nana(the whole family grew up in country Victoria, Australia) twisting apples in half for our entertainment and teaching us to split logs (Pa had a stroke at 50)

                [–]1pcadrian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Yup that's basically the point I was trying to make. For everyone who is going to get hit in the feels by our statement: shut the fuck up and LOOK at the skill set of an average woman. What do they do all day? Could they bring those skills into a survival situation, or would they just leech off everyone else?

                [–]lookingatyourcock 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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                Why would it be different? I have done a lot of traveling around the world, and the thing that always strikes me is how similar the gender differences are. I too used to think there would be more variation, but I just haven't seen it. The only culture I have experienced where genders seem significantly different is Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish/Israeli culture. But I personally think that has to do with them breeding among them selves, with an artificial selection process.

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                The only culture I have experienced where genders seem significantly different is Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish/Israeli culture

                Can you elaborate on this? It's extremely interesting.

                [–]lookingatyourcock 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                For sure. I'm a bit busy this weekend, so I will make a second response on Monday. This is the kind of topic where I need to be free from distractions in order to get into detail.

                [–]Lady_Motido 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                RPW here. I'm from a small fishing/hunting community in one of the maritime provinces in Canada and I'm certain that if myself and a dozen of my classmates from when we were in our 20's had been dumped on an island we would not have just sat around sun bathing. Most of us know how to hunt, fish, build etc.

                I'm also certain we would never have matched the men but we could have held our own. Having the men introduced to our island would not have made us stop working either but we most likely would have appointed them leaders and waited for instructions. That's just the way we were brought up.

                If I would have been one of the girls sent to the men's island I would have asked for a job and would have taken great pride in trying to do my very best at it.

                So I also think culture would have something to do with this too. Besides none of the girls I grew up with would ever be on such a stupid show like that anyway. It's just a tits and ass show.

                [–]vaker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                Yup, this is why I mentioned average young western female in my post above. (should have added urban) A generation ago girls still had some idea how to do things other than Facebook. Esp those who grew up outside of big cities.

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                ahh yes, overlooked that part, my bad. Well at least my daughters know how to do this stuff and they fit that age group ;)

                [–]cheez_Ina_pan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                Do you think the "group think" mentality of women may have some sort of evolutionary basis and probably sered as a survival mechanism at one time? I do.

                [–]hermit087 58 points59 points  (4 children)

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                In military boot camp men and women are almost completely separated from each other the entire time. You spend those 8 weeks(Air Force) learning to work as a team with the same group of 50 people, its a bit like one of those reality shows.

                What every T.I.(aka drill sergeant) told us was that the female groups are much better than the men for the first two weeks or so. They were better organized, learned to fold clothes and make beds faster, and just had less conflict than the male groups.

                Then gradually over time this dynamic flip-flops. The females experience more and more cat fighting to the point where they are all just assaulting and sabotaging each other by the end. Meanwhile the men have learned to work together and become like a well oiled machine.

                [–]erich_von_stalhein 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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                I suspect the TIs went a bit softer on the women.

                [–]phoneprofile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I wish i could read stories about this. It sounds hilariously interesting.

                [–]Kepaso 71 points72 points  (17 children)

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                that's gold. I would have continued the experiment with 100% women till the end though, just for science, like a social machiavelic test, maybe it would have ended with a lord of the flies scenario, but i guess they would probably let themselves die of hunger and cancer from sun bathing.

                [–]frequentlywrong 77 points78 points  (2 children)

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                Actually I think it's genius for the three men sent to the other island. They should have all built a hut with three rooms (or three smaller huts) with a king sized bed in them for themselves and 2 women.

                Upon arrival ignore the women completely. Build the hut and hunt for food. Whichever women want to join them have to sleep in their beds.

                Watch them compete amongst each other for male resources. I would pay to watch that shit.

                [–]erich_von_stalhein 67 points68 points  (1 child)

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                You don't have to pay. Look out the window.

                [–]thebigspooner 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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                mind blown

                [–]madamayb 29 points30 points  (5 children)

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                Either the women would have quit or they would have invaded the other island

                [–]through_a_ways 53 points54 points  (0 children)

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                they would have invaded the other island

                Thank you for that hilarious mental imagery.

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                Oh shit, an invasion of prostitutes.

                [–]Offensive_Brute 28 points29 points  (0 children)

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                I couldnt help but notice you have some bird meat. I'll trde you some beaver for it.

                [–]theredslap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                <British accent> oh shit...there goes the planet

                [–]1FloranHunter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                or they would have invaded the other island

                Hahahahahahaha. That is wonderful. Thank you.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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                That was probably the intention but the white knight brigade realized the writing on the wall and made it more faiiiirrrr

                [–]zirzo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                There is an episode in stargate sg1 where the sg1 team lands on a planet where there are all women. Quite an interesting episode. Here's a working link

                [–]forbiddenone 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                They couldn't- there would have been lawsuits when they started dying off or getting seriously ill and/or injured themselves trying to get what they should have been doing all along done all at once.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Them screaming that they give up would be enough for me.

                [–]vaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                trying to get what they should have been doing all along done all at once

                What makes you think they'd have tried to do anything at all?

                [–]ThePrince_ 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                For those who don't speak Dutch, Survivor did a similar thing in a recent series. Two tribes, one male and one female. Located on opposite sides of a beach.

                It was incredible watching the women fail, rely on the men to support them and then complain about the men and refuse to repay the favour when they were fortunate enough to gain any advantages. Supplicating betas as far as the eye can see.

                Can't remember which season but it was called Survivor One World.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                Surviver: Briffaults Law

                [–]Theophagist 41 points42 points  (42 children)

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                I've been noticing this kind of thing myself. Living in the Bay Area one can't go far without finding an all-girl business. They don't have to wait long for it to close down either.

                One of the businesses I know of which survives is a Vet hospital with all female doctors and staff. They killed my beloved guinea pig through incompetence and overcharged me for the service.

                [–]fihsined 5 points6 points  (18 children)

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                This pisses me off.

                [–]Theophagist 16 points17 points  (17 children)

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                Me too, he was the best animal ever (right)

                [–]Elonine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                They must be pretty badass pets if you let them walk on your strat, man!

                Sorry for your loss...

                [–]fihsined 15 points16 points  (13 children)

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                I know it's not masculine but I'm about to fucking cry man, I had to put down my first dog when i was a little kid and it was so fucking upsetting. I spent the whole day fucking curled up next to him and I didn't understand why he was sick and sad. FUck man.

                [–]87GNX 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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                Crying over a fucking dog is about as legit as it gets.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                A dog is about the closest thing a man will find to true loyalty. If I ever marry I will definitely want a large dog (or two) and a field for him to run around in to go with the package.

                [–]fihsined 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                i can't tell if you're insulting me or saying it's okay, but i don't really need your permission or acceptance so i don't mind either way.

                [–]thecajunone 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                He isn't mocking you, we red pillers are mostly dog people.

                [–]fihsined 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Good people*

                I'm only playing haha. I like cats too, don't get me wrong, but where cats provide comfort in tragedy, dogs provide comfort in monotony.

                [–]Theophagist 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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                It's tough, I miss him a lot but I'm mostly sad for Princess (left in the photo). She still calls out for him and searches her C&C for him whenever I return her after lap time. (don't worry she'll be getting a cage mate)

                I knew he was on the way out so I was emotionally prepared. But when I found her curled up against his dead body grooming his fur I lost composure.

                [–]thecajunone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Damn dude, that's rough, any dude would be sad. Being alpha doesn't mean not having feelings.

                [–]erich_von_stalhein 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                Animals are the best people.

                When one of my rats was terminally ill the other would bring her salad.

                [–]1FloranHunter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                It shows you care.

                Women may not understand but other men, at least, do.

                [–]MasterGolbez 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                Oh shut the fuck up. Crying over sad shit isn't "not masculine."

                [–]ThisisMalta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP

                Hugs MasterGolbez and fihsined and starts crying.

                [–]ibuprofiend 9 points10 points  (20 children)

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                I'd rather live alone on top of a mountain than live in San Francisco. It seems like the center of everything that's destroying our civilization.

                [–]stupid_fucking_name 23 points24 points  (4 children)

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                San Francisco is the white man's Detroit.

                [–]draketton 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                [–]ianbllngr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Some asshole female vet put down my first cat when i was still holding her. I was seven. It was awful and she just nan nonchalantly ushered us out after twenty seconds.

                [–]redditor157 27 points28 points  (1 child)

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                Interesting that she just caved and stopped being a feminist (although it doesn't directly say it was because of the show). Feminists I know would have probably said something like "Oh well those girls came from a culture of patriarchy so they were at a disadvantage from the start" or some shit like that.

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                Yep, I don't buy that bit either.

                [–]Fitch0y 14 points15 points  (6 children)

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                Let us step a bit back.

                http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/feminists-are-afraid-of-evolutionary-psychology-and-with-good-reason/

                So feminism, along with Communism, multiculturalism and egalitarianism, falls victim to the same tropes that all human nature denialists share: namely, the belief that people behave in upsetting ways because some nebulous cultural mind ray tells them to behave in upsetting ways.

                Now that this is said. Culture and our society are like trees that don't grow without a seed and soil. Culture grew out of our genes. Patriarchy is the natural system. ... Would keep on writing but I just remembered that this is not MRA.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                MRAs usually deny patriarchy as well to appeal to feminists

                [–]Fryborg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I don't get it. They deny patriarchy to appeal to feminists? Don't feminists assert that the patriarchy exists?

                [–]Affengeil 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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                Well, how about that?

                A shortsighted observer once predicted what a world without men would be like: "Full of fat, happy women -- and no crime." Yeah, right.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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                Once the supplies run out the fat women would eat the skinnier women and not in the porn way

                [–]FinalEquin0x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                I honestly doubt there would be any fat women.

                If men aren't providing food for them, in what way will they obtain it?

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                fat and happy alone is bullshit enough

                [–]fiat_lux_ 17 points18 points  (10 children)

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                Anyone know or have links to this Dutch Survivor show?

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                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeditie_Robinson

                Edit: I believe that it was the season from 2006

                [–]Mooshaq 15 points16 points  (6 children)

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                Yeah, it seems that the whole thing is on Youtube. Damn I wish I understood Dutch right now.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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                There is a captioned version, that makes a modicum of sense I think

                [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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                I just tried watching it, its pretty useless. I would love to have someone caption it.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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                Reminds me of Hell's Kitchen. 95% filler bullshit. 5% entertainment. If someone were to compile the funny parts, I would watch it. But I'm not watching reality commentary bullshit and wasting my time.

                [–]SgtBrutalisk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                I found these, "Hell's Kitchen Uncensored Extended Highlights", editing style is a bit frantic, but other than that, it's all the good stuff.

                The same user just added seasons 8+9.

                [–]pokemonlvr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                This is amazing.

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                I never got the chance to properly look at it. Damn

                [–]MockingDead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                So women under patriarchy were treated as aristocrats, and men under matriarchy as slaves.

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                  [–]ALexusOhHaiNyan 6 points7 points  (6 children)

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                  I've thought about this from time to time. In the sense that if things went tit's up - feminism disappears overnight. I wonder if the only time that will ever get challenged is if/when we colonize Mars or some post apocalyptic Lord Of The Flies to straighten stuff out right quick.

                  [–]greatGoD67 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Or when the ship is sinking. Buildings on fire, Bear attacks, or muggers approach. As Bill Burr put it. "There are no feminists on the Titanic"

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Or when mars colonizes us…

                  [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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                  I think this really displays the high survival value that men naturally possess, and that women naturally do not possess.

                  The interesting thing to note is that neither group would survive long term without the opposite sex. Sure the men would die out in relative comfort at a ripe old age while the women would have inevitably died much much sooner, and not from natural causes.

                  [–]ArcadesRed 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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                  Starvation is very natural, billions have died from it!

                  [–]awsum_possum 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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                  I'm sorry, but I'm a Dutch male and I worked in television for 9 years, and I can tell you, because I know, that show is entirely scripted (by men). Whichever way it would've happened it doesn't say anything about men, women or society. It says something about B-list Dutch celebrities' ability to follow simple scripts, written by men. The point OP has raised, is what's known in the logic business as "moot".

                  [–]ShepardfucksEVERYONE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                  Like anyone here cares...

                  [–]1wiseclockcounter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  I can't tell if this is the right season, or what the hell they're saying because it's not subbed in english, haha. but i found a youtube channel that's uploaded all the episodes, it's called Expeditie Robinson

                  Edit: video link for all you ctrl F-ers

                  [–]WAFC 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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                  It takes a lot longer to get to the good stuff, but a season of American Survivor broke down into a gender war, too. The women initially thrived at the social game, knocking the men out after the merge pretty quickly.

                  Except one man, who proceeded to play them like a fiddle and use their attempts at stabbing each other in the back to win a million dollars. Such schadenfreude.

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                  I kind of want to watch this.

                  [–]WAFC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Survivor: Vanuatu. Plenty of torrents available in the usual places.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Thank you very much

                  [–]logically_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                  I'm not surprised at all. Have you ever seen an all-female construction site? Me neither.

                  Men build and run the world. Always have, always will. We know how to get shit done. Women know how to be lazy and compete against other women for men/attention.

                  [–]monsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Catfight, and then . . . cannibalism?

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  OP please I need a link to this video. PLEASE.

                  [–]Ididerus 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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                  Look, we all seem to be jumping on the "women can't get anything right" bandwagon, but one of the strongest lessons I acquired via TRP was to forgive women their "failings". Amused mastery, no?

                  Sure, put your average woman in a survival situation and they will fair quite poorly, and a group of women in front of cameras and a primp-fest will ensue. A group of men will build a village and then quickly become bored to tears while they dream of children to take over the plow.

                  This anecdote only reinforces my belief of the duality of the sexes. Men lead from the front, but that does not remove the need nor pride of womanhood.

                  [–]MockingDead 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                  We forgive them their failings, but we don't ignore them.

                  Amused mastery means we treat them like children. You are insinuating that they should have pride in being children?

                  [–]erich_von_stalhein 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  "Pride" in their "failings"?

                  [–]1FloranHunter 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                  The men didn't have any leaders? That means they didn't have a hierarchy, just a collective.

                  Did they form a hierarchy once they gained a few female members?

                  It's interesting because it means that general male hierarchy (not just during specific missions like hunting) may be due to female interference, not inherently male.

                  [–]Heuristics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Hierarchy is needed when the tribe is larger then a typical member of it can handle to overview for themselves. At that point it is better to outsource the overview, the high level decisions to the most competent. -> to an aristocracy.

                  The typical example is the scenario of an invading tribe. A non-hierarchic society would then be slaughtered for military commands get an enormous power multiplier the more authoritarian and competent the central power is.

                  [–]6TLaRm4g 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  It is possible that they all were beta. Also possible hierarchy was unnecessary in such conditions. Hierarchy only becomes beneficial when there are at least two large groups competing, and there were only one small group.

                  [–]87GNX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  This is wonderful.

                  [–]culofiesta 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                  You should watch the US version of apprentice. It goes something like this;

                  -Men and women split into teams, men on one, women on the other. There are 8-10 people on each team.

                  -Women begin to fight, bitch and plot against one another. One woman always comes out as a complete bitch that hates another women. The women break into cliques and sabotage each other. They lose all their challenges.

                  -Men win every single challenge until the women's team have 3-4 people left.

                  -Finally Trump puts some unlucky guys on the women's team. They win a few challenges but continue to plot.

                  In Celebrity Apprentice the teams are all various people. The men are has beens, a country singer or two, an athlete, b list actors, a wrestler, a comedian, etc. They all get along regardless.

                  The women's team is usually a talk show host, actress without a career, playboy model, comedian, athlete, etc. They all hate each other.

                  It happens every time. It's a fascinating study.

                  [–]rebuildingMyself 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                  From what I saw of Apprentice (a long time ago), the women always won their challenges. Of course, to sell the most lemonade to guys on the street all they did was essentially whore themselves out.

                  • Wear skanky short skirts
                  • Put their phone number on the cup being sold
                  • Flirting, etc

                  Then they all high five each other for their superior sales tactics. Didn't bother watching any other episodes after that.

                  [–]culofiesta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Celebrity apprentice is much different. Other than one or two the women on there are worthless.

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                  I looked around for this but couldn't find it. Where is this dutch survivor series? I found the series, but no reference to the two islands and men and women

                  [–]themasterof 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  I would like to see this TV show. Is there any Dutch guys here who knows where I can see it?

                  [–]CropDuster33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Should get a bunch of feminists and plant them on an island!

                  [–]magical_artist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Fascinating insight.

                  [–]rockumsockumrobots 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Can I please have a link to the show? Also, is there an english Subtitled version? Thanks.

                  [–]ziggzagg8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I would love to see this series any links around?

                  [–]RidleySmith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Doesn't actually PROVE anything, but is a fantastically interesting anecdote

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                  WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT! What happened to his former roommate? xD I would love to know.