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[–]1 MMachiavellianRed 90 points91 points  (5 children)

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I like this post, but I think you're talking from the position of retrospect (where you are now) to a majority who are at the beginning of the journey (wanting to be where you are now.)

There's a lot of anger, a hell of a lot of it. Women and many high smv men do not understand or respect this anger and seek to condemn it because it offends them, they do not like how it makes them feel and this is why they condemn it, this is selfish and overlooks the cause of the problem, which is a dysfunctional society, neurotic single mothers raising sons without fathers, the rampant poverty that causes, the lack of male role models etc etc. The anger is not random or irrational, it is a reaction to what is a widespread systemic problem. It's difficult to explain to people who cannot relate (women as well as high smv men who never had to struggle) why so many men are disenchanted with society, angry with it, or both.

To really simplify things:

High smv man > high smv woman > low smv woman > low smv man

In terms of standard of living and social options, that's the hierarchy. Imagine being at the bottom of the social pile, nobody gives a fuck about you, perhaps your family is dysfunctional and that's why they haven't prepared you well for life, and a picture begins to form in presenting why so many young men are angry at the world, they feel like the world hasn't prepared them aptly for what the world expects of them and they've been hurt by their lack of access to helpful information, poverty, heartbreak/divorce and etc in the process. Then they learn despite all this, typically more is expected of them than their female counterparts just to be accepted by society, men can't just master their appearance, turn up and have success, there's a lot more to it for them, and it takes some guys a long while to get over just how unfair this is, accept it and get on with things. This is a hell of a lot to reconcile for the average guy out there trying to find himself, forge a path in life and ultimately become successful rather than a degenerate loser.

When you've just had a pay cheque, the sun is out, you've just lifted some steel and girls are blowing up your phone it's easy to come on TRP and tell guys to smile a little more and not be so angry, but if they take it easy and start mellowing out they're never going to drag themselves out of the pits of society and up to the top, they need their anger to propel them forwards. I think it's very important that no matter where you are, you don't forget where you came from, that's the shit that helps you relate to people who you're worlds apart from now and seek to help.

Don't be so quick to write off anger, many powerless men have no other alternative to achieve their means and have all the justification in the world for feeling that way. Ironically as I say that, I still advocate stoicism, control the anger, don't let the anger control you. Channel it. Google "instrumental aggression"

Thanks for the post and best of luck with your future plans.

Edit: typos

[–]Prattler26 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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Anger is the greatest protection against abuse. Anger will not make you an alpha, but it will stop you from being a beta bucks. A really good start!

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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Thanks for taking the time to write such a poignant reply. Having spent years, consumed by anger, jealousy, and bitterness - I take your meaning. This world is pretty fucked, society is pretty fucked, and with every passing day the odds that it will get unfucked grow smaller. When any rational human stops to consider the unfairness of it all, it only makes sense that they would feel anger.

Some people can use that anger to propel themselves forward, to achieve, to become stronger, to become tougher. I have seen it done, and the results can be impressive. But then what?! You took all of that bad and made it into something good. You look good, you feel good, women are interested, and you're still fucking angry. You built your entire internal infrastructure to run on anger, and just like fossil fuels you are now running out of energy sources.

What I am advocating achieves the same result, plus the benefit of always having renewable energy to power the machine that is you: Acceptance. Accept that the world works a certain way, and live and breathe to maximize your value in a defined system.

No one gives a fuck about you but you. Is that worth getting angry over? Sure, for a while. We were told otherwise as children. We are disappointed about having been lied to. But are grown adults still walking around angry that SPOILER: santa doesn't exist. Not many. Why? because thats the way it fucking is, and being angry does nothing except take away years of your life.

But if you eschew nihilism, anger, disappointment and just accept the rules, you can lay out a good plan to make the best of a terrible situation. Its the hardest thing in the world to do until you do it, then its pretty fucking easy. TRP is the recipe: Use your body the way it is intended... pick up heavy things, run, climb shit, compete. When your body is in the shape it is supposed to be in (and would be but for the intervention of a slovenly, babysitter society) you will feel better. When you feel better, you will smile because you like you. When you like you, fuck people who dont... who gives a shit about them. they dont give a shit about you. the order that is disorder is in balance. So you look good, your attitude is correct, and you are now equipped to deal wtih that whole weird ridiculous mess that is dating women. You dont fear rejection because ultimately you accept you, and that is really the only thing that a man needs.

Dude, I am so glad you made the comment that you did. It caused me to really think about some shit, and that is never a bad thing.

[–]down_with_whomever 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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You're a good writer. Do you have a blog?

[–]11411181 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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There's a lot of anger, a hell of a lot of it. Women and many high smv men do not understand or respect this anger and seek to condemn it because it offends them, they do not like how it makes them feel and this is why they condemn it, this is selfish and overlooks the cause of the problem, which is a dysfunctional society, neurotic single mothers raising sons without fathers, the rampant poverty that causes, the lack of male role models etc etc. The anger is not random or irrational, it is a reaction to what is a widespread systemic problem. It's difficult to explain to people who cannot relate (women as well as high smv men who never had to struggle) why so many men are disenchanted with society, angry with it, or both.

I have never heard this put as succinctly as this, and it's so true it hurts.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

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If an option, try stepping away from women for a while to get your life in order.

This is my plan. On May first I am switching to a new job. My current job is okay but this new one pays better but will have a much longer commute, sadly my lease isn't up for 6 months. So instead of sitting in traffic for hours I have decided I am going to lift and workout every single day after work and go home later. I have already started lifting and such the last 6 months or so. But time to go full beast mode and work on myself and stop stressing over girls. Better watch out ladies because in 6 months I will be on the prowl again, and be a much better self.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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Fuck. Yes. Dude.

Step back, regroup, and then get back after it. Also, I started lifting in the morning. Changing my schedule up sucked, but I put me before my corporate overlords. Which means that I put in work at the gym while I am fresh and full of energy. As a bonus, I am getting to work earlier, more relaxed, more concentrated, and I sleep like a baby. Give em hell, brah.

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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And keep in mind that the physical aspect isn't the only part (though I would argue an important part - a healthy mind needs a healthy body) - you can read, take a class, practice a skill/hobby like OP suggested, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Hobby = race cars. Knowledge = furthering my knowledge of SQL databases and DBA.

[–]ss4james_ 29 points30 points  (4 children)

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That goes the other way too. Females have some valid points about lack of societal progress, just like men do.

Perhaps in other parts of the world, but not so much in America and most of the West.

Women are earning more degrees than men by a 20% margin and there's more working women with degrees than men.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/05/stunning-college-degree-gap-women-have-earned-almost-10-million-more-college-degrees-than-men-since-1982/

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/education/cb11-72.html

Male breadwinners vs. female breadwinners is almost at parity...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/business/economy/women-as-family-breadwinner-on-the-rise-study-says.html?_r=0

Meanwhile, despite all this, the overall happiness of women has been declining.

Feminism would have you believe that it has women's best interests in mind, but for the last 35 years women's happiness has steadily been falling both absolutely and relative to men.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

The unhappiest white collar people in America are single working women past the wall.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/high-octane-women/201109/survey-reveals-unhappy-person-profile-shes-42-single-and-working

The very people that feminism has propped up the most.

Feminism seems very concerned about getting women working and paying taxes, but I'd almost argue that if women's HAPPINESS is what's important, modern amerocentric feminism is pretty ignorant.

I'd be interested in what legitimate feminist concerns you have that are exclusively feminist concerns, and not just things that almost everyone is already on the same side about, like "rape is bad", and women should be allowed to drive and seek an education if they want.

In fact, if we go by RAW earnings figures and don't account for education, field, hours worked, etc. Single childless women under 30 who live in cities(most women on reddit assumedly) earn more than men in the same demographic.

http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

The way I see it, women are already set up to compete for every position in America, even the most privileged position of POTUS once the right woman comes along. There's simply some attrition involved as we wait for the old fogies to die out while more progressive men, and women fill those positions.

It's not like I don't think feminism has valid concerns about certain things, (especially in more oppressive countries) but those valid concerns aren't really exclusive to feminism...

[–]down_with_whomever 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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I wish we could sidebar these links.

[–]1xwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I wish we could sidebar that comment

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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Excellent post. Thanks for taking the time. You're right. Valid concerns should be shared human concerns. I am generally against any us vs. then in any forum. My posts aren't perfect. Just trying to express how much trp helped me, and how sometimes the message gets lost. Lots of people's messages get lost. We all do well to open our minds some. It helped me.

[–]ss4james_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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Yeah, I was seriously asking about legit issues so I truly can have some more feminist talking points, and not seem too "us vs them" like you say. But the unrelenting logic part of my brain won't let me adhere to any issues that I don't really believe in. I've studied feminism intensely trying to find something substantial that I can take away from it. There's some stuff on the philosphy side I like, masculine vs feminine energy, yin and yang, that kind of thing. I also know enough about intersectionality that I know that I could call myself a "sex positive equity feminist" without lying. I do see how we should maybe legalize prostitution so sex workers can work in a safer, cleaner environment. But the first thing goes against the popular feminist assertion that "gender is a social construct", and the second goes against the rad fem notion that the sex industry is part of the Patriarchy and should be done away with altogether.

You seem like a smart guy so I was just wanting your insight on "feminist issues" you've looked into.

[–]Schrodingersdawg 78 points79 points  (25 children)

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Brilliant. Personally, I've stopped being pissed off at blue pillers and the like. I'd recommend reading Marcus Aurelius, he really drives the point home when he says that people do bad things because they are ignorant of what is good. Blue pillers, feminists, they all believe that they're in the right. Hating them won't solve anything. Better to walk on, letting them stay in their delusions. Let them attack you, there is no reason to attack them back. Their anger does not affect us. And once you divorce yourself from being influenced by others' emotions, you can refocus your life to be more productive.

[–]machimus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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Props for Marcus Aurelius. In fact, his book "Meditations" was full of overall good advice.

[–]cocainesmoothie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Just started on this. It's fucking brilliant. It teaches one how stoicism should and can be implemented into the way you think and react.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Thanks for the recommend.

[–]3kempff 8 points9 points  (6 children)

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Follow it up with Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics to cover the field, then Thomas Aquinas' treatise on the cardinal virtues (prudence justice fortitude temperance) from his Summa Theologiae to polish it to a high gloss.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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Fuckin TRP book club in this bitch! Thanks for the recommendation, brah.

[–]3kempff 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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Brah. There is an unspoken Canon. We all know it, just nobody's articulated it. Nietzsche, Plato, Macchiavelli, Cicero, Sun Tzu, Benjamin Franklin, Malcolm X, Thoreau - even St John of the Cross, man - that every man should read before he turns 18.

How about you go around and solicit input and put that canon together and make it explicit?

[–]christiefrontdrive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I would also recommend Steven Pressfield's The War of Art. Easily the most important book I've ever read.

[–]Profanebutsane2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Just to add a few: Robert Green, William Shakespeare, Thomas Jefferson.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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On it. Great suggestion.

[–]abaine93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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For those not in the know, these as well as many other public domain works are available free and legal via http://www.gutenberg.org

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 17 points18 points  (7 children)

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"Their anger does not affect us..."

Respectfully, sir, it does affect us. If you haven't noticed, it's fucking killing us and society as we know it. We're knee deep in guts and our own shit in the trenches here, as men. However, I too want some of that happy pill ya'all are taking, where do you apply?

[–]KilgoreTrouserTrout 16 points17 points  (2 children)

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One day the Buddha was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. “You have no right teaching others,” he shouted. “You are as stupid as everyone else. You are nothing but a fake!”

The Buddha was not upset by these insults. Instead he asked the young man, “Tell me, if you buy a gift for someone, and that person does not take it, to whom does the gift belong?”

The young man was surprised to be asked such a strange question and answered, “It would belong to me, because I bought the gift.”

The Buddha smiled and said, “That is correct. And it is exactly the same with your anger. If you become angry with me and I do not get insulted, then the anger falls back on you. You are then the only one who becomes unhappy, not me. All you have done is hurt yourself.”

[–]CannonBallGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Similar to the one about holding a hot coal with the intention of throwing it at someone else. Or the one about poisoning yourself and thinking it will kill another person.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Too bad that'll never stand up in court...

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    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    He ain't wrong.

    [–]B_Campbell 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Damm straight. I decided to change my life last year. Dropped 50 pounds. Funny how everything falls into place once you focus on yourself and make an effort to get your shit together.

    I'm not saying its easy. It's constant work but the work you put into your self pays off and not just from women.

    [–]ProjectionOfMyMind 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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    I have personally used Marcus Aurelius's Meditations in multiple job interviews. It shows that you are well read and mentally balanced.

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    That's a good tip. Thanks, dude.

    [–]abXcv 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Yes, great book.

    You can learn a lot from him about the philosophy of stoicism, which I believe should be the goal for every man.

    Ideally, you should be able to lose your job, have both your parents die, have your girlfriend leave you and be diagnosed with cancer all at the same time, and it shouldn't provoke a reaction.

    Sure you can't stop yourself feeling the emotions, but if you are strong enough mentally, you can control your response to it, and not allow the feelings to overwhelm you and ruin your mental state.

    If you can do that, then you are a true man and nothing in this world can faze you.

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Thanks, bro. This shit saved my ass. I will add Marcus Aurelius to the list of must reads. Lately, I have been devouring as much material on Zen and meditation as possible. Thanks for the upvote.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Blue pillers, feminists, they all believe that they're in the right.

    It reminds me of a good Chinese quote:
    "Everyone thinks their war is justified."

    [–]1Modified_Hackware 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Agreed, people don't clash when one is wrong and one is right.

    People clash when both (think) they're right. I would stress that the toxic forms of feminism are frequently shunned by moderates.

    I sub to feminism here because it helps to put my own TRP belief systems into perspective and relief. There is a lot of holding females to account going on over there and is not particularly indicative of white knighting or blue-pilling that I have noticed.

    SRS and some other mainstream default subs on the other hand. Christ...

    [–]2emptyform 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    I had a similar path. It's a lot of work to get to a place of emotional, spiritual, physical, and mental fitness, but when you are adequately nurturing all four, you move throughout this world with a true sense of amused mastery. Do something every day to develop these four aspects.

    http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2011/02/how-to-be-the-luckiest-guy-on-the-planet-in-4-easy-steps/

    (I'm not Mr. Altucher nor do I know him)

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Excellent perspective, brah. Thanks for sharing, and good looking out. Mr. Altucher has some stellar ideas, that I am now aware of.

    [–]cooltrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    I'd like to point out the following:

    • Alpha versus non-Alpha distinction is here to stay. And, immediately related, "female behavior with Alpha" versus "female behavior with non-Alpha" distinction is here to stay too. This distinction is a definitional ingredient of the red pill, if you really want the red pill to provide with its therapeutic effect. So yes, "female behavior with Alpha" is the female behavior non-Alphas aspire to. Even if you could get a woman by way of a non-Alpha behavior, honestly, you don't want to get a woman as a non-Alpha man, but as an Alpha man. And it is not a woman's fault if you are not an Alpha. Just remember, you wouldn't want a non-Alpha for your own daughter.

    • You ain't changing the "female behavior with non-Alpha" side. And you shouldn't attempt to do it, if you respect female freedom, and if you respect your own personal worth. If you are a non-Alpha, and you really want to get women as an Alpha man, then you should perform the change on yourself, and attempt to go as Alpha as you can, thus going from the "female behavior with non-Alpha" side to the "female behavior with Alpha" side. Don't try to make women make you an Alpha; you should be the one to make yourself an Alpha. You don't want to beg? Stop trying to make women beg you if you are a non-Alpha beggar; perform the change on yourself, and become a choosing Alpha; then you'll be able to set your own rules and conditions. But you can't set rules and conditions if you have no justifying thing to offer in exchange. Women are not stupid.

    • Turning your behavior into Alpha behavior is easy; turning your anatomy into Alpha anatomy is difficult. Sorry guys, anatomical fitness is the base priority for women. They'd rather die than admitting it, but hey, this is the red pill, right? Have in mind that women don't lie when they say anatomical fitness is not everything; they just omit that it is a necessary condition, get it?

    • Yes, Nature is unjust, Nature is not egalitarian, and genes won't provide equitably; this is why gyms were invented. Without gyms, different men would have different anatomical fitness on the sole genetic basis (remember, this is the engine of evolution). So, unless you have an extraordinary genetic asset, psych yourself up that you'll need to go to the gym.

    [–]drallcom3 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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    There's a good chance you're already somewhat TRP when you're single, fit and confident by default. You might just not know it.

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    You are right on the money. That is what makes TRP easy to swallow. That said, most don't start off single, fit, and confident. I certainly didn't. I was fucking fat, miserable, and with a woman that was not right for me. I was too sad and depressed to realize what a fucking failure I was, what a failure my relationships were, and how life was passing me by at an ever-increasing rate.

    This is why I am advocating, for those in a similar situation, to cut the cord and be alone. Fuck yeah its hard. Fuck yeah its scary. Fuck yeah sexual intercourse with a woman is vastly superior to jackin' it. But, goddamn if being alone wasn't the kick in the ass I needed to seize control over my life. Once you get there, you wish it on everyone because it is a great fucking time. Stay up, Brah.

    [–]Kirkaine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Doesn't the name "The Red Pill" really imply that it's sort of secret, almost heretic knowledge, where only a select few see how society really works?

    If a normal person is somewhat RP, then it probably needs a new name.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    Positive, admirable, happy post.

    Summertime dude obviously needs a divorce and/or a false rape allegation to help curb that enthusiasm a little.

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Man, you hit me where it hurts. I see it everyday with my job. I've been lucky in comparison to some. But then again I don't put myself in situations where that's even possible. I'll never marry, and I next at the first inkling of cray cray. To my bros going through that shit, lawyer up, keep your mouth shut, and learn from it. Thanks for the dose of reality an perspective, brah.

    [–]MrStinky 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    The word "brah" has been used at least 20 times in this thread. I feel like I'm on Misc.

    Good post though

    [–]1Modified_Hackware 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    U wot m8?

    [–]MrStinky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly

    [–]batfish55 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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    This has got to be one of the most positive, non-hater-sounding posts I think I've ever read here. You should post shit like this more often.

    Keep up the good fight!

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Thanks, Brah. You as well.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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    I think you're looking for /r/seduction.

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    If you're doing it right, you are always seducing. Astute observation, brah. Thanks for stopping in and adding a little credibility.

    [–]RoulantG 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    This is a magnificant post. Everything you've said registers with me. I finally swallowed the Red Pill a week ago, and this last 7 days have been life chaning. I won't get too carried into details, but I've been able to stop myself from getting into a relationship I didn't want, stood up to someone at work who was making my job harder, become more frugal, and now I view myself as how my family does, fucking great.

    So thanks for sharing, I'm saving this and referring back to it every day. I'm in the process of stepping away from women as I type.

    EDIT: Lol I also just got into a fight. Granted I left before punches flew, but dammit it felt good to stand up and possibly go home in a body bag tonight. But I learned that I should never try to defend a stupid fucking woman who would let herself get beat by her "boyfriend".

    [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Dude, thank you for sharing this. A year from now, you will be so fucking stoked you started last week. Stay after it, and always keep your mind on your mission. These chicks will be blown away when you step back on the scene, brah. Give it time, trust the process, and don't let little set backs throw you off your game. You're a human, and thus, you will make some errors along the way. Check back, when you need a little push in the right direction, and always be lifting.

    edit: a word

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      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Good to know. Thanks, Brah.

      [–]a_nus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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      Saving this post for when people hate on my for being subbed to TRP. I always say I'm on this sub because of self-improvement posts, that simply acknowledge the difference between sexes without hating on either. No one believes me because I always fail to dig up the posts I've read.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Man, that was exactly what I wanted to do. Thanks for that, brah. Free some minds.

      [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      IMO There's a lot of shit to dig through on here. I love the shit though, keeps me entertained. Guys who are trying so hard to seem masculine and alpha on this site are hilarious.

      This kind of shit though, I do like.

      [–]csmass 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      Good post. A strong man is a kind and compassionate man because he is confident in himself and knows himself inside and out.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Couldn't agree more.

      [–]TideShifter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      I've saved this post, and will read if ever I need to kick my own ass. You rock bro.

      [–]RevBoni 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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      This is the best post on TRP I've ever read. Saved it.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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      Thanks, Brah. Means a lot to me. Keep after it, and best luck on your mission.

      [–]RevBoni 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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      Yeah, what really struck me was your audacity to say trp has some misogynist shit and thats true, there really is some simple bullshit to be found here, but the core concepts hold nothing but truth. Reminds me of a quote by Leo Tolstoy:'Truth is much like gold, not being obtained by its growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.'

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      Good on you for recognizing what most others cannot or will not. And good on the mad Russian for some stone Truth.

      [–]1bradyo2 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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      Whilst I admire your positivity, and think you're probably doing the right thing, I actually find it more enjoyable being the bad guy. I'm not gonna be a total dick to someone for no reason, but I just find it more fun being a bit of a twat, rather than playing the 'positive Alpha' role as someone described it here the other day.

      I've spent my whole life being a 'nice guy', that's what brought me here in the first place, and I wanna learn to live a little by being more reckless and having more fun, whilst being in total control. I think it's possible to enjoy your life both your way and my way.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      I agree. Let's both live this shit out of this fucking life. I am not saying that you should go around singing fucking Kumbayah and handing out rainbows, dude. Go out, do shots, meet and bed tons of beautiful strangers. Break glass bottles out back of the local 7/11. Man, whatever you're into. But do it for you, and do it in a way that leaves people feeling good about themselves. Make yourself happy, but share that shit is all I am saying. And report back on all the fun, brah. I want to know how its going.

      [–]1bradyo2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Wise words.

      [–]BarryJotter 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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      I've been on the fence about TRP, but this absolutely sold me. I'm going to be checking here daily from now on.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Means a lot to me. Thanks for the positivity. Filter out the anger, lots of these bros are hurting bad, and need support and a dose of truth. Define your mission and pursue with absolute unwaivering focus. Now go out there and be somebody, brah. Keep us posted on progress, and get lifting.

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      Brand new to TRP here, and really appreciated hearing this. Been lurking for a while and realize that TRP is at least mostly the truth and that I badly need it, but what's been keeping me from fully going for it is my concern that a side effect of my becoming alpha would be becoming a misogynist asshole. Men like you are living proof that that's not necessary at all, though. Thanks for posting.

      [–]lady-lilith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      This is refreshing.

      [–]Endevour 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Fucking ten start post. I hope you keep contributing content.

      [–]Humble_harpdarp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      I agree with all this, except white knights. Fuck white knights, it doesn't take extensive knowledge on social dynamics for them to realize they are actively attacking or putting down someone else just for a chance at pussy. White knighting is cowardly, and I hate seeing weakness in anyone.

      [–]bertmaklinFBI 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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      Haters are the best. They let you know you are doing it right.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      I think one of those haters just gave this post a downvote to let me know I did a good job.

      [–]bertmaklinFBI 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      It's your story/insight and you wanted to post it. Fuck everyone else. Tell them to shut their dick holster.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Thanks dude.

      "dick holster"... Bahahahaha! I will be using that.

      [–]1Modified_Hackware 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      As your post rises you'll find a few dozen or more people will go through your history and down vote everything you said for the past week or whatever. This is what happens unfortunately, regardless of your stances on things.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      hahaha. Thats a good point dude. I will remember this.

      [–]Labore_Et_Constantia 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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      Kudos to you for turning your life around, it seems you've made some massive changes and grown tremendously as a person.

      That said, I will disagree with you on the "hate" aspect of your post in that there is a thing called RIGHTFUL indignation which is very VERY different from bitter, toxic venom like:

      ALL women are fucking dumb whores and they should be happy to lick my boots.

      Everyone goes through the bitter stage where they think somewhat like that, but then people can also swing to the other side and think calling out ANYONE based on a LEGITIMATE claim=hate. That is NOT the case.

      If there is injustice in the world, if people behave in a way that violates others rights, then you not only SHOULD call them out, but you have a responsibility as someone who is AWARE to do so.

      Once people get past the hate/pacifist stage, they come to a neutral ground where they can call BS for what it is, but where they don't lose their mind on every little thing nor do they lose sleep for it. I'd call it standing up for human rights, in our case we're the few that actually have moral integrity to call women/society out on their BS double standards, shit tests various other ways of perpetrating behavior that is either hypocritical or directly violates people's rights.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Thanks for the kudos. I disagree that we disagree. I think we share a similar ideology, and I am glad you brought this up so we could further discuss.

      I am not in anyway advocating a "head-in-the-sand" policy towards actual bad acts or injustices. I guess the end result is that I not have a clearer view of injustice than I did before.

      Getting shot down by a woman isn't injustice. Though once I believed that it was. Getting called a creep isn't an injustice. It's a dick-move, but it is not injustice.

      Now all of my good old fashioned righteous indignation is reserved for special cases: racism, intolerance, imperialist bullshit, corporate greed, senseless violence, etc.

      But, I believe that righteous indigation is radically different than hate because it is "righteous." When you hate, you wish to destroy. When you feel righteous indignation, you still want to destroy but you also want to replace with something better and more fair.

      [–]cooltrip 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Be good to good people, only to good people. Being good to mean people is complicity, not goodness. This is how sometimes I think of it.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Be neutral to dicks, until you can't be neutral. Then neutralize. Or in other words: "Be nice until it's time to not be nice." Dalton will or you know when that is. Right on, Brah.

      [–]p5ych0naut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      This is one of the better written posts I've seen so far on TRP. Bravo.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Thank you kindly, brah.

      [–]the_QQ_game 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      I found myself nodding in agreement.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Thanks!

      [–]Donald_Fuck 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Quite often posts on this sub do lead to hate but this is a fantastic reminder of what I should be about. I understand how important holding yourself to a high standard is and being the best version of yourself. I try to reach out in ways, probably the wrong ways, to friends. It doesn't get received well when I talk about not watching porn anymore or not playing video games. Things so many young guys love to do. I realise now why people here stress that you're on your own in this and everything you do should be for you and your goals.

      This was a fantasticly well rounded post and should definitely be a part of TRP introductions.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Thanks. Much appreciated.

      [–]CannonBallGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Wow. Awesome post.

      [–]AlphaKarma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Love the post brother. Keep killing it. Love what you said on educating yourself on feminist issues and such. I agreed with 100% of this post.

      Keep killin it!

      [–]no_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      When I finally got to where flying solo was my default mode, I began to see my time as precious. I was approached by women, and did some approaching myself. But most people aren’t worth my time. It is better spent lifting, learning, working, hanging out with my folks or buds, or practicing my hobby. That is my list of priorities. If a women wants my time, she has to show me why she should come before any of those things.

      Don’t hate women. Don’t call them irrational. Don’t call them fat or ugly. Hold yourself to a higher fucking standard than that, man. Actually, don’t hate period.

      This is true TRP, in my opinion. If you hate, judge or otherwise scowl at any person or event that life brings to you, you have not accepted reality and wish it were something else. You are still weak.

      [–]RoulantG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I'll say this as many times as I need too. This is the best piece of advice on this TRP. This is how I view TRP. Kudos for putting it into words.

      [–]FearlessBurrito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      People that are negative about self-improvement are nothing more than crabs in a bucket. Congrats on the progress, man.

      [–]LaserSoundMusic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      This is probably the most rational post ever made on this sub

      [–]New_Horiz0ns 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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      I understand your message, but I don't like the way you portrayed it. Its sugarcoated.

      I would have said: Fuck bitches! Time is money! Lift! & Don't be a hater.

      I don't like the post in general, its too easy to digest. If a woman read this she wouldn't be disgusted at what RP is condoning. This is a r/seduction self-improvement post.

      [–]1Sergnb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      What's wrong with not phrasing your post in a way that disgusts women? I get the sugarcoating thing but that "have to disgust woman" part seems silly.

      [–]barneygumbled 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      If a woman read this she wouldn't be disgusted at what RP is condoning.

      If you're here to lash out at women then you're still just a bluepill projecting your problems onto women. "It's all their fault" bitterness gets you nowhere.

      What people have to understand is that no ideology or philosophy is objectively true. Don't fall into a cult-like behaviour where you accept the entirety of TRP verbatim as gospel. The much-hated feminazi exhibits many cult-like behaviours, including belief in an all-pervasive boogeyman that is responsible for all their problems - the patriarchy, where everyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs has been brainwashed.

      Read widely, and yes that includes feminist ideology, if only to understand more points of view, pick and choose what rings true to you in your rational mind (I personally think that much of what feminism has to say about capitalism rings true).

      It may shock you to know that many second-wave feminists are wholly disappointed with how their work essentially resulted in the assimilation of women into the workforce, simply joining men as unhappy worker drones. Women are less happy then they used to be because they've fallen into trying to be men, ignoring their femininity. Germaine Greer of all people makes this point, it approaches a redpill concept from a feminist angle and it rings true with me.

      That's what I suspect OP means by exploring other ideas, including those that you supposedly 'hate'. You might just be surprised by what you find, and if it reduces this silly adversarial attitude then all the better for it.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      That's valid criticism, brah. Thanks for not resorting to the old "kill yourself, OP." That said, first post. Still finding my tone and didn't want to scare anybody off from a potentially life changing sub. And I would personally enjoy some agreement from the ladies. They need to kick up the self improvement game just as much as men do. Much appreciated and I'll be an asshole in my next post.

      [–]tandoshi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Please don't be. This post is amazing, you can see the great reaction to it. Don't let someone push you away from this because they enjoy the "I hate feminists" rhetoric. Disliking this post because "women would not be disgusted by it" is very juvenile and completely illogical.

      This perspective is sorely needed, look at how many "get it" for the first time. Be this voice, and you can help many people.

      [–]Bad_Karma21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Solid post. TRP should be about being a real man and not berating women for being inferior or any of this other neckbeard bullshit. A man who thinks people are beneath him is too attached to his ego. Real men are humble and just get shit done, period.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Wisdom, Brah. Thanks for the positivity.

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      Don’t call (women) irrational. Don’t call them fat or ugly. Hold yourself to a higher fucking standard than that, man. They have good ideas, they work hard, they bear children. And while you’re at it, learn about some feminist concerns.

      The fuck is this happy horseshit?

      RAD

      This ain't the 80s nigga.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 11 points12 points  (32 children)

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      Respectfully, its the truth, bro. If you're out there killing it, there is no need to wantonly shit on other humans. And if you aren't killing it, wouldn't that time wasted on being angry be better spend lifting or improving.

      Didn't you hear? Saying rad is rad once more. We're on a 30 year slang cycle. Be well, friend.

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        [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I'm honored. I think.

        [–]elderscrollsrichard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        After reading through the comments, I went to Amazon to buy Meditations but there is just too many translations. Any recommendations on which one should I get would be really appreciated? Thanks

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          [–]elderscrollsrichard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I just wanted the paperback

          [–]Kirkaine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          This isn't RP, this is just being a functional human being. None of this should come as news to anyone. That being said, it should still be required reading for anyone coming to this sub.

          [–]Cats_of_War 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Lifting 5 days a week for 2 hours on a 60 hour schedule is impressive.

          I usually work out 6 or 7 hours max a week on a 40 hour schedule plus 20 of school. This isnt solely lifting. I probably lift only 2-3 hours a week. The rest is sprints, biking, and an occasional 3-6 mile run.

          [–]PaulAtredis 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          This is one of the best posts I've read on TRP. I really like your attitude.

          2 1/2 years ago I ended a 4 year relationship. I was fat, miserable and lacked self confidence. After a few months of escapism and misery, I decided enough was enough, and committed to a regime of self improvement. I never looked back, and today I'm proud of who I am. I'm well toned, I have confidence, and I'm productive and motivated. I never get angry any more, and I'm not judgemental. I don't like to see other men stuck in the same state I was in, so I want to put good out there as well if I can.

          You do not need a companion. You may want one, but you will intuitively want one that is worth the time and effort.

          This is the part I want to ask you about. Recently, a girl I get along very well with expressed interest in me. She initiates physical contact and always wants to know when we'll meet again. She's absolutely waiting for me to make the next move. What is holding me back is, as you say, I don't need a companion. I'm now perfectly happy flying solo, I don't need the validation of another. I enjoy talking to and flirting with other women, but if I started a relationship I would be expected to give up this freedom. I would also have less time for friends. Regular sex is a compelling incentive for any man, but I get the feeling she wants more.

          I have no wish to "settle down" in the near future, so is it an opportunity or a distraction? Having swallowed TRP, I'm unsure as to how to handle a relationship with my new found knowledge and mindset. I still don't know how much of what I believed before is truth, or conditioning.

          [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Dude, I have experienced similar issues. If it feels like a waste of time, it probably is. It isn't your job to escalate a casual relationship to LTR or monogamous, unless you want it to be. If that is what your're into, go for it. But it sounds like that is not what you are after. So long as your are straight up with this chick about what it is you are and aren't willing to do, you're good to go. Also, dude a relationship is defined between two people - if you are one of them, you have say. Defining the sex/relationship dynamic is where TRP is super fucking helpful. A woman can propose her ideal relationship terms to you and you have options 1) agree entirely [don't ever do this] 2) say no thanks [pull ripcord/bail] or 3) make your own terms, and not give a fuck. Understanding option 3 is what TRP is kind of about...

          You tell a chick how its going to be if she wants to be with you. If she says yes, then maintain your frame and be ever mindful of the power struggle. If she says no, cool - next. Don't be a dick about it, but be assertive for yourself, Brah. Some chick can't force you to be with her if her "rules" don't suit you. There will always be some other chick that will be glad to have your time, without trying to put unwanted restraints on you.

          [–]PaulAtredis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Thanks for taking the time to reply, you made some very valid points! I fully intend not to bow to her every whim as in years past. Look forward to your other contributions to this community.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          Don’t hate women. Don’t call them irrational. Don’t call them fat or ugly. Hold yourself to a higher fucking standard than that, man.

          Don't call them most of that, but don't let that stop you from realizing that they're being irrational or crazy about something either. Having tits is not a free pass to anything. Don't treat them worse than men, but don't pedestalize them either by acting like you can be angry at other men but somehow can't acknowledge shitty things specific women are doing.

          And while you’re at it, learn about some feminist concerns. I am not saying you have to be a feminist. You don’t even have to agree. But if you disagree, it should be because you listened to all sides and formed an educated opinion. You should not disagree based on knee-jerk bullshit and anecdotal evidence that this one time this one chick did this one thing and it sucked.

          Couldn't disagree more.

          One of the biggest cons feminism pulls is getting you to believe that it represents "women's" issues. It simply represents a power grab by the most

          Do you know what the difference between the bitter angry posts on TRP are, and feminists? Feminists are better at spinning it to make their bitterness and anger sound nicer. Feminists are better at creating manipulative social themes.

          You want to listen what women are actually concerned about? Great. I agree.

          You turn to feminism to find out? It's like listening to Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore to try to figure out political issues. They're motivation is to increase power for their side and ideology, and they're very good at creating a manipulative story to do so.

          TRP is not anti-women, but it is anti-feminism - 90% of the stuff trp tries to teach you to "see through" - comes from feminism. The bitter posts on TRP that sound women-hating? Feminism attracts exactly that same crowd (only of the female side), they're just better at wrapping up shit in a nicer looking and smelling package.

          Look - I grew up believing in feminism. I grew up thinking it was great. The reason I stopped believing in all of that? - it's because I found out from real world reality that feminism taught me again and again that "women" like the exact and total opposite of what real actual women like.

          And I don't even mean the more controversial things. I mean feminism taught me to back off when a women got nervous because it "must" mean that she wants me to go away and that was the only explanation. Turns out - a lot of the time she was nervous because she liked me but she didn't know if I liked her back! Feminism taught me that a girl would be "scared" if I was...um...doing anything that was sexy. It didn't say sexy, instead it manipulated me into believing that calling a girl I just met, ever disagreeing with her, ever ignoring what she was saying, etc - all bad. But guess what? When I started reading TRP, I realized this is how every relationship I knew of had ever started - the woman always started off with a list of reasons we shouldn't date, acting nervous, not being sure if she wanted to do something, always try to push away dating. It was always me reinforcing my own feelings that we should date, that she was being silly, that what she was saying didn't make sense - that were the times I got a girlfriend.

          Feminism described EVERYTHING related to sex and dating as "scary" to the girl. Feminism reflects how girls are raised - with a list of ideas given to them to keep them from dating or having sex. For them - this list is offset by other advice on how to look good, and their own instinctive desires to date and have sex. But for you as a guy, all you get are the negatives and the "don't do this! the girl will hate you!" for a long list of things she actually responds positively to. Sure, there's a few realistic things thrown in there, but you usually know those already anyways - don't attack someone in a dark alley. Duh.

          Most feminism is literally a dating guide to all the things you can do to avoid dating anyone, ever. I'm sorry - dating anyone attractive, ever. Those bitter and hating posts on TRP are the male side of exactly the same thing that feminism is - except feminism is better at making their hatred and bitterness sound like it comes from a nice and friendly place. This is worse - at least I know what's bitter on TRP.

          [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Dude, you raise excellent points. And, I do not disagree with some of your characterizations. I only disagree that an entire group of people can be said to share similar views on a bunch of nuanced issues. Feminism doesn't have a pope, just like TRP doesn't have a pope. There is no central authority that is the end all be all on policy or organizational views. TRP is a bunch of people that generally agree things are totally fucked, and offer interesting and helpful advice on how to make the best of a bad situation. But not all TRPers agree on how or why, and there is a lot of discussion (sometimes heated). The only ONLY only point I was getting at by mentioning feminism was that you cannot dismiss someones ideas because they identify as part of a group that you generally disagree with.

          Let's say you hate lawyers and think they are all abhorrent liars and cheats (not a stretch for most) and also your neighbor is a lawyer. He says to you, PR10 its gonna get cold as fuck and you should wrap your pipes. Do you then say - fuck you man - all lawyers are liars and so what you said is totally invalid and stupid. I hope not. sometimes we can gain important insight from unlikely sources - even if that insight is a well-reasoned response in disagreement.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Thanks for responding, but your example is completely unrelated to what I'm saying. Reading dating advice from feminism is like you're also a lawyer, but on the other side of the case from your neighbor, and you're asking him for advice on what you should do. Reading feminism is like living in the time of Galileo, and looking to the Catholic church for scientific explanations of how the universe outside our planet works. It's like being a jew and learning about jewish history from an anti-semite - did you know about the jewatriarchy, an organization engadget in a massive conspiracy to keep non-jews from having money? Did you know about shrodinger's jew - a situation where all non-jews have to wonder, ever time they talk to a jew, if that jew is going to murder them for their money? Did you hear that the moral thing to do is that all jews have a responsibility to make sure that when you buy something from them, that you will never ever regret that transaction, or you could get thrown in jail?

          This is what feminism is about, just replace "jew" with "man". These are not side ideas or something like that - they are the core tenets of feminism.

          I never claimed that you should never be friends or talk to feminists - that's the exaggeration you are buying into. I have friends who are part of conservative christian church's that claim that evolution isn't real and the world is only 6,000 years old (or whatever it is) to.

          But if a man wants to "learn" about feminism, he should realize that it uses caring language and men's giving importance to women's feelings as a tool to increase women's power of you. This is also why it's so bad to read - because when you get jaded on that, you can start to think that "all women" are doing this, which they're not (a few always are, but the same is true of men, even if you're a man).

          Modern feminism is political propaganda. You can "learn" about it, as long as you realize that that's what it is.

          A LOT of the people who come to TRP, and find it helpful, do so because they were indoctrinated with a feminist background. That's one of the reasons why the language is so extreme, and why there's often so much bitterness - a need to overcome their delusional representation of how "women" are that usually combines from a background of a disgruntled parent who pushed feminism. Feminist concepts are the biggest thing TRP "sees through".

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            [–]billnye_theRPguy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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            The mistake you're making is thinking TRP is a single person and you'll be able to pick out a "RP person" from a crowd based upon certain undesirable attributes (you're assuming what certtain people say and think here are what EVERYONE will say and think everywhere).

            TRP is a toolbox of theories and advice about getting what you want out of life. You can pick and choose what you want to apply to your life - everybody gets something different out of it and doesn't necessarily agree with everything.

            Some guys post ridiculous examples of our society being over sensitive. Some guys post game and their own mentality that has led them to success with women. Some guys moan about women (they are venting, because they don't have another place to do it).

            The RP sub is great specifically because it's a male space free of political correctness and not subject to the single-mindedness (or "hivemind") that is a lot of reddit. If you don't get that then this place isn't for you and you shouldn't be reading here.

            [–]Will_Im_Not -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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            The mistake you're making is thinking TRP is a single person

            I very deliberately said "most guys here" and "Lots of TRPers". I don't think that every single guy here is an asshole, but when sexist crap consistently gets upvoted then that's a pretty clear indicator of the type of people here.

            [TRP is] not subject to the single-mindedness (or "hivemind") that is a lot of reddit.

            I hate to break it to you but you guys have 45k subs. Every subreddit that gets big turns into a circlejerk. Sure, you circlejerk about things that reddit at large doesn't, but if someone posted things that the majority of people here disagreed with they'd get downvoted. Things that everyone here already agrees with gets upvoted. That's what a circlejerk is. It doesn't speak to the quality of the sub, it's the inevitable outcome of every subreddit due to the structure of reddit.

            If you don't get that then this place isn't for you and you shouldn't be reading here.

            I'm here for the exact same reason that OP listens to feminists and BPers, I appreciate hearing the other side. I disagree with what most of you guys say, sure, but if you're not willing to open your mind then you can never learn anything new.

            Well that and the drama. I love getting into internet arguments.

            [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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            That means a lot to me, bud. I see some bad stuff written here. I see some bad stuff written in the comments on Jezebel, too. But as free thinking, intelligent individuals we are tasked with sifting out the gross, misplaced anger and trying to find some good.

            If I am being honest, this sub does have some pretty awful shit written in it. What sub doesn't?! But, moreso than any other sub this site contains nuggets of wisdom and goodness. Love yourself, have confidence, put good into the world. It is here if you look deep enough.

            What's crazy is that the message here and the message on Jezebel are often two sides of the same coin, and yet they seem to hate each other. Jezzies say, "If you approach a woman with confidence and respectfulness, you will have a better chance to succeed. If she rejects you, do not take it personally, and do not be an asshole." TRP will tell you the exact same thing.

            Jezzies say, "being a 'nice guy' is a waste of time, so make something of yourself, and do not feel entitled to female company." TRP will tell you the exact same thing.

            Unfortunately, people love to base their opinions of others on the most extreme examples, and we arrive at a place where strangers hate each other for no real reason.

            Thank you for taking the time to write your comment. It made my day.

            [–]joquarenty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Nothing wrong with entitlement as long as you keep cool.

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              [–]Phlecks 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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              Don't take shit! but you just told me to give women white-knights and betas a free pass, man you have some cognitive dissonance.

              If the white knights and betas are giving you shit, don't take it. However, if you want to go out of your way to hate the betas and blue-pillers just to feel better about yourself, you're gonna have a shitty road through life.

              Interesting how you compare white knights to rapists and serial killers. Amazing analogy you've got there, dummy.

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              I'm guessing you are referring to this statement "Sure give them a free pass, just like women, shysters, rapists and serial killers"

              I'll admit it wasn't the greatest analogy, but the concept is true; if you love everyone equally you end up loving no one.

              PS. Kill yourself twat.

              [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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              I never said love equally, but why waste your time hating someone else when you can just ignore them? Makes shit a lot easier.

              Boo hoo, you told me to kill myself I guess I have to now.

              The fact that you say that to strangers on the internet is very telling of how sad your life is.

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              Hahahahahah, have a good day.

              [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Always do.

              [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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              We have different ideas. That's cool. Thanks for taking the time to weigh in. TRP has helped me, but I don't think it's above some constructive criticism. It's all good, brah.

              [–]Phlecks 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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              I touch in TRP every so often, mostly for the laughs of people on the bottom of this particular thread.

              This post though? On self improvement and being confident and not hating? Spot on.

              One thing I've read in this pile that I actually really agree with.

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                [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                You're not so bad yourself

                [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Thanks, brah.

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                You know what, I re-read what I wrote yesterday and I came off pretty harsh, you seem like a good natured guy, I wish you the best.

                [–]JohnGalt316 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                keep on working on red pill you will get there

                you still have to work on that strong defensive reaction to "hating" though

                calling a loser a loser isn't "hating." it is an honest evaluation.

                keep on improving. someday you will get strong enough to be able to call another person fat or pathetic without triggering memories from when you were fat and pathetic.

                you got the right idea though. don't go out of your way to hate others, but don't be afraid to call a spade a spade when the opportunity presents itself.

                [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                JG, I appreciate the wisdom. I had to stop and really think about triggers for a minute, and the content of what I posted. Would you be willing to provide a hypothetical example of when it would be appropriate to call a spade a spade?

                When I am approached by a woman that I am not interested in, I generally say no thanks without giving a reason. I know the reason but have never felt inclined to follow up a rejection with a shitty comment. I see so many dudes complaining about being the recipient of that sort of behavior from women that it just seems shitty.

                When I get shot down, I always play it cool - afterall there are always going to be more pretty girls to talk to.

                [–]dray121212 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                Yes it is best not to OD on RP or you will miss out on some of the pleasant things life has to offer...I did this and became very angry, at everything! (except dogs, i fux with canines heavy b)

                Now I just focus on accomplishing my goals, being an overall man of integrity (shout out kurt angle thats my nigga), and living a hard working virtuous life I can be proud of. I don't give a fuck what the result it as far as my relationships with other human beings go. It should be positive if I'm taking care of my responsibilities first.

                [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                Fuck yeah, Brah. Good for you. That good shit has gotta come from within yourself. You ever notice how people respond to someone that is positively killing it. In my experience, no one (women especially) don't want to be around somebody that is depressed/down. When you are crushing life, and wearing a big fucking grin because you are Rad as fuck - other humans notice that shit. They think, this cat knows a secret and wanna hang around to find out what it is, in my experience at least.

                [–]dray121212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Exactly bro!

                I have found this especially crucial in relationships...Early stages girl gets all emotional yada yada I would be calm cool collected and just overall positive and the result would always be favorable...Then as the LTR progresses and this would happen I'd start getting to serious, over introspective and not as positive etc when in reality the same approach should apply.

                [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                This contains much wisdom and overall I think it was accurate and timely but I wonder how much of it was posted to help/inspire and how much was posted as an ego stroking humblebrag (glorious is my intellect and level headedness, see how evolved I am , etc).

                [–]Summertime_Dimes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                Can't it be both?! I am fucking generally stoked on life, largely because some TRP dudes set a badass example. I read their shit, and thought to myself - I wanna be like that. I followed the steps, took the pill, and feel like I am a work in progress that is much farther along than 18 months ago. I respect calling bullshit, which is what you did here. But the guy calling bullshit isn't always right.

                Are you the type of dude that goest to AA meetings and shits on people for humble bragging that they have 6 months sober? Probably not. That is the spirit in which this was written. A share from someone who kicked the BP lifestyle cold turkey, and wants others to know its totally possible. We relapse, we suffer oneitis, we sincerely truly believe that she is a unicorn. If you absorb this TRP shit, we recognize slipping/backsliding, re-frame, and straighten out before it gets too deep.

                I encourage you to take stock of where you were, where your are, and where you want to be - type that shit up - and put it out there in the open for comments. Then listen and respond to the comments, good or bad. It is a learning experience to say the least. Best luck, brah.

                [–]the99percent1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                Tl;dr

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                Then how about you get the fuck out?