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[–]NOT_MEEHAN 97 points98 points  (4 children)

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9.Direct Game is the Best Game. I've watched average looking dudes pull women 2-3 points higher than them by being direct.

I've always said this to everyone. We've all seen this many times. Quit being a "wallhanger." Don't just stand there and act cool. Take action. Go talk to anyone you wish and continue talking to attractive women over and over. Most guys will just stare and make snide remarks but, the women will notice you are having fun and don't live in fear of rejection. Bring your reality to them. In your reality, you don't give a fuck. You don't because it's just fun to meet new people and be social. It's not about getting #s etc. It's about meeting as many gorgeous women you can full time 24/7 with no regrets.

I've never ever had a rejection more painful than the self shame of not even talking to her. That applies for day game stuff as well.

[–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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rejection hurts a lot less than regret.

[–]Mymobileacoconut 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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Yes. This is huge. And a cornerstone of RSD. You build up incredible social momentum from approaching constantly and physically. I like to give out hugs, spins, dance moves, kisses, make outs. It's all fun. Making out to a girl isn't a big deal if you don't make it a big deal. And it does incredible things for your value.

[–]1lucifa 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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Cocaine also has this effect.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why approaching gets addictive

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock 99 points100 points  (16 children)

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Clubs are a scam if you are average.

[–]Blood_Vaults 32 points33 points  (4 children)

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True.

Girls get into free to attract the suckers who pay for watered down and overpriced drinks all night.

[–]jmg83 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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Which is precisely why I prefer bars with no entrance fee to these jumped-up clubs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The cover fee does have value. There are definitely a different class of people at these places.

[–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not interested in all the posturing and foolishness that comes with places like that. It feels ridiculous.

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Fair enough. I feel ridiculous surrounded by drunk 19 year olds trying to get in fights.

[–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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yup. pretty much. you have to be above average in either looks money game or all 3

[–]dandeezy 17 points18 points  (8 children)

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Clubs are a scam if: 1. You don't go there at peak time

  1. You don't walk right in because you know the bouncer (please tip them discreetly on busy nights). This takes 6 months to get down. They don't just accept tips from anybody..It's easier if you know someone who already does and walk I'm with them and thank the bouncer (eye CONTACT!) so they remember you.

  2. You actually go there to drink lol

  3. You are not good at body language. No one talks over loud music other than a few words.

  4. You think staying until last call is good for your chances. Walk in at 12:30 (yes AM), walk about before 1:30 with or without a pickup.

I could go on, but ask or I'll make a post about club game.

E: formatting

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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This poster already wrote a very thorough article about why clubs are bullshit http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/24kdzo/clubs_are_a_scam_if_you_are_average/

[–]2 Mredpillschool[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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Approved. Sorry about that.

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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S'okay holmes.

[–]dandeezy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Oh I saw that post, had a long reply in that thread too.

It's a whole different animal. Like fishing and hunting. If you don't know, you will make shitty posts like that and out gets popular because that's all what newbies experience upon entering the club game.

[–]Dat_Black_Guy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Ask someone who uses the club as his primary weapon, i'd like to see that post.

OH an you're 1 through 5 is right..Most of these guys don't get it

[–]CreepAcceptance 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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If you're interested in club game then check out Christian McQueen's site and podcast.

[–]Mymobileacoconut -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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1230 am show up? Not a lot of time to warm up...

[–]dandeezy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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This is not the gym, you don't need a warm up. It's a pool, don't be a pussy and dive in. The only reason you should go early (10 pm) is because you don't know the bouncer and want to get in.

Another Tip: if you can walk in with girls, do it. Even if they're your sister, cousin, some girl you just met but aren't taking home because she's with her bridesmaids, tag along. Bouncers let guys in if they're with as group of girls.

There has been actual coincidences where I chat up a group of girls that were intimidated by the big line on busy nights and I opened up, hey guys I know the bouncer, you guys want to skip the line. All three clinged to me like a magnet. Little did they know the bouncer would have let in with just one of them on my arm.

Sorry for any typos, on mobile.

[–]AcidCheese5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Debatable. I know I'm average, fuck maybe even below average at times, so I stay away from those ritzy-EDM crazed clubs not just cuz I hate the music (it's fucking horrible lol), but I honestly don't stand much of a chance against these high status muscular men...yet. Granted, I'm doing my absolute best to change my game and better myself (that's why I'm on TRP) but the only clubs I go to nowadays are music venues if the artist playing is someone I genuinely respect and have interest in seeing. This is a huge advantage for me at least knowing some sorta information on the band or performer and I can use this as a good conversation starter with women. So I'm still going to clubs, but I seek out the music I like. Call me a hipster faggot, but this is working for me.

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    [–]Ties5o 31 points32 points  (3 children)

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    I read this as specific to a high end club. Most bars and clubs you would be well overdressed, which is not always a good thing.

    [–]snowflake1993 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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    i dunnno, a good fitting suit can be worn heaps of different ways, you can still look fucking tops while being casual about it, plain colored shirt (whites with a stitch) and your jacket open, looks good and isnt over the top

    [–]mast0rz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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    Dark shoes, dark jeans, light shirt and dark jacket always looks good.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    Jacket stays closed if you're standing- but no tie, open collar is casual.

    [–]1NV0K3R 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    I live in a...smaller southern town, and I used to be one of those guys who would stroll around in jeans and an untucked button up, thinking I looked like top shit. I'd go home alone at the end of the night wondering where I went wrong.

    Since coming here, started lifting, starting "no fucks given"(NFG), started dressing way above my part. Suits would be a bit extravagant for the nightlife scene here, but just wearing photographer pants, a nicer fitted button down, and a tie have worked amazingly for social purveyance. I can almost walk up to any girl regardless of what the perceived SMV is and I can tell you the reciprocation is nearly 100% compared to how things used to happen.

    Don't look like every other chump at the watering whole. Be the BEST LOOKINg chump.

    [–]1BadgerBurger 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    High-end club in Vegas or Miami: Rock that suit.

    There are some places where it won't look out of place. At your average nice bar, however, it will look out of place.

    [–]Daredfenomeno 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    I was gonna say exactly that: while I agree with most points,the suit one is EXTREMELY dependant on the country you are. In my country nobody, and I repeat NOBODY would go to a club in a suit, no matter how high-end and nice the club is.

    [–]Killmelol12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    No suit, no potato. Such is life in Latvia :(

    [–]cliffjumpers57 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    you can get away with murder in a suit. This goes for just about everywhere

    [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    ever meet a hot girl at the book store and think

    fuck I wish I dressed better it would really boost my confidence?

    well I did and I hated it. now I suit up or blazer or v neck everywhere

    [–]1spicy_fries 17 points18 points  (5 children)

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    6.The 90/10% Effect is Painfully Obvious. When Tinder released its results about how a large percentage of women were swiping the same small amount of guys no one who reads here was surprised, but seeing it live is absolutely astounding.

    Do you have a link to this data? Last I read it was Okcupid and not Tinder. I would like to see the Tinder data to also further confirm this ratio. Google searching didn't turn up anything.

    [–]JudgeRedPill 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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    Look up the top rated searches on /r/tinder. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone.

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      [–]Medikamina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      /r/tinder This springs to mind, it's not research by Tinder, but he gave out his data somewhere if you follow the links...

      http://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/23gvy0/its_hard_being_average_my_tinder_experiment/

      [–]CreepAcceptance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I've not seen the tinder data but there is a similar conclusion from the Ok Cupid blog, in addition to a large amount of other analysis.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      it actually popped up on my facebook. ill look to find it.

      I remember because the girls I was with had this story about how they were all talking about the great guys they met recently on tinder. turns out it was the same guy. I sat there laughing.

      [–]hulk181 13 points14 points  (4 children)

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      I don't know about wearing a suit to a club. Most clubs are hot as hell especially on the dance floor. Most guys are going to be sweating and want to take their jacket off after 30 minutes in a club. The other advice sounds pretty solid though.

      [–]everyone_wins 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      I think it depends on the city and the venue. Where I live, an untucked, fitted dress shirt and pants that fit me well get me tons of pussy because most dudes wear t-shirts and baggy jeans. I think the point is make sure you are dressed better than the average chode at whatever venue you may be.

      Dress is about displaying status and social awareness. Looking stylish shows social awareness, wearing quality clothing shows status.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      women wear heels. its uncomfortable but it loons good.

      suffer.

      [–]hulk181 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      The difference is that women won't be sweating in heels. Guys in suits in 90 degree clubs will. Any sweaty guy is automatically at a disadvantage when it comes to approaching a girl compared to a guy who isn't. It's just common sense.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      No club is that hot... Well, no good club.

      Every club I've ever managed or worked detail in purposely keeps people as cool and comfortable as possible. That's customer service 101.

      [–]Manuel_S 34 points35 points  (1 child)

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      You know it man.

      Tell us other points that might cross your mind.

      1 - what other things scream status to them? Whats obvious to men may not be to women and vice versa.

      3 - its not silver, its platinum.

      5 - the suit must really fit, no shit shoes or accessories either. What else looks decent in your parts?

      Rest is straight TRP... on 7, how do the chinese go?

      [–]SethMemVegas 19 points20 points  (6 children)

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      I lost it at "don't smile" dude.

      This isn't a battle of who looks like they hate their life more. If you are in a club, having fun, it's only natural to smile . Why would you fight you natural tendencies to pull a girl? She ain't worth it.

      [–]MrArtfulDodger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Same. Nothing wrong with smiling as long as you're not the guy grinning 24/7. Women are attracted to guys having a good time and smiling displays that.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      smiling is like talking: better to be laconic then loquacious.

      better to smile too little than smile too much.

      [–]Haus_of_Klaus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      There have been studies that show women favor photos when men do no smile and find them more attractive.

      [–]colourz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Agreed. There are scientific studies showing that smiling will make you more attractive and inviting so might as well do it. And whenever I see a guy or girl not smiling when they are out it just like why the fuck are you here.

      [–]Strife450 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      It's not about that. It's about the idea that you should always be smiling to look friendly/welcoming. This works the other way around psychologically alot of the time, and there are studies that back that. Simply not smiling unless you literally have the reflex to, gives you loads of benefits in attraction.

      [–]2lightfire409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I believe his point is to selectively smile. Don't smile to try and defuse awkward situations. Don't smile And laugh at yourself, dont smile to try and gain acceptance or favor with someone else. Those behaviors are submissive.

      Do smile when you are genuinely happy. When a girl pleases you. That's his point. Too many men smile a crack a joke at the first sign of a lull in a conversation.

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      i duno about the smiling thing, i smile quite a lot when im out in public, and its genuine because im often in a good mood, its just how i feel.

      most of the population, at least here in the UK, walk around with a dead expression on their faces, and many even with permanent worry lines on their faces, almost contorted sometimes, its bizarre .... so when you are the only person walking around smiling it really stands out, and people do notice it.

      there are different kinds of smiles .... there is the forced one and the real one.

      and honestly i dont like the "ive got attitude" dead serious look that a lot of guys use ....

      ymmv but im a smiler

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 16 points17 points  (24 children)

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      I'm speaking for American Game. Every chump walks around smiling just because a woman says hello or is in their general direction.

      If you're in a place where people never smile then smile a lot.

      [–]Panzer_Geist 29 points30 points  (20 children)

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      I still disagree. I have friends who look like somebody farted in their face all the time, even in clubs, they never get laid. To be fair, they never approach. But they sure as hell don't have women approaching them either. One of them is a good looking Mexican guy who's got it all going for him. He's tall, dark (still white though), in excellent shape and has an impeccable sense of style. His problem is that he takes himself way too seriously.

      In my experience spreading a fun vibe works much better. Picking up the hottest chick in the club is impossible if you're not having a good time. If I'm having a good night and I have my A-game on I'm walking around and talking to everyone, male and female. I don't even know what constitutes an approach anymore - I'm just being friendly. I'm joking and shooting the shit and people congregate around me because I'm fun to be around.

      It's not a conscious effort of "trying to get laid" at that point - I'm just enjoying myself. Consequently these are the times when I bring home the kind of women who most men wouldn't even dare to approach.

      [–]CarlsPudding 57 points58 points  (17 children)

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      This is going to sound racist as shit. It probably is. Fuck it, whatever. Not smiling works for black guys. Smiling works for white guys.

      Your average white dude in the club with a scowl looks like he just sucks at life. Average black guy looks tough and enigmatic.

      Average white dude with a smile looks fun and interesting. You see a black dude smiling, you assume he's gay.

      [–]CptDefB 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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      Can confirm.

      Am black.

      Don't smile.

      [–]JudgeRedPill 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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      That's not really racist. It's just how women perceive different types of men. Not racist to point it out.

      [–]CarlsPudding 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Fair enough. Not just girls though. And it's not a hard and fast rule, but in general.

      [–]Anderfail 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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      Actually it depends on how big you are as a white guy. Big and muscular? Don't smile. Have a body like a twink and low muscle tone? Smile.

      [–]Johnny_Shades 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Exactly. Social white knights make it impossible to point out differences in races now. It's similar to how we point out differences in guy/girl behavior. Any differences we point out are either met with being called a misogynist or a racist.

      [–]pleasedontknowme30 4 points5 points  (7 children)

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      White guy here...when I don't smile I look intimidating as fuck..but not sure if in a great way.

      [–]deville05 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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      intimidating in a serial killer way. not great

      [–]pleasedontknowme30 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      No not that...but I notice when I am at the gym I am very focused and when I see my face in the mirror I don't look very approachable but I also am intense with my workouts and lifting...so conversation is the last thing on my mind.

      [–]deville05 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      No one has a pleasant look in the gym. Its always shitting bricks

      [–]Blood_Vaults 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      chicks love serial killers.

      [–]Nieben 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Bitches love serial killers.

      [–]Panzer_Geist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      I think there's a lot of truth to that.

      I don't think us conventional looking white guys can pull of the "mysterious guy" game. We pretty much have to go with the "fun to be around" game. Which works great for me because I'm the type of person who pulls a lot of jokes. At the end of the day I care less about pussy and more about having a good time. Now if you're a white dude with piercing and what not then yeah maybe you can pull it off.

      If you're pulling off the stone-face thing to get laid - meaning you actually are having a good time but you're hiding it - good, keep at it. I just think that it will seep into your actual mood and ACTUALLY make you bored and resentful. At that point you fail at life because you're not enjoying yourself.

      At the end of the day, pussy is only one factor in an overall enjoyable life. It's an essential factor - but it's not everything. Again - the end goal is to have an enjoyable life. Hard work, pussy, building a legacy, good friendships etc. are all a part of it.

      [–]1lucifa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Same with being fat and bald.

      Fat and bald black guy - hard, dangerous, dominant.

      Fat and bald white guy - soft, weak, submissive.

      Just picture one of each race stood in a corner trying to look intimidating.

      [–]Humankeg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      I took his smiling bit as "as soon as a woman looks at you, don't be a douche and give a big toothy grin". A nod and small smile when you lock eyes, or a simple thank you if she holds a door open for you or makes room for you at the bar.

      I still make this same mistake occasionally when I am around girls I am into. As soon as a conversation starts, I find myself with a grin on my face and have to wipe it off. It looks foolish and just weird.

      If the girl actually says/does something to merit a smile or laugh, go ahead and do it. If you are having a good time with your friends, enjoy your time and let it be known. But goofy smiles just to smile... no.

      [–]pleasedontknowme30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Look at the RSD guys..they dress like slobs sometimes and get so much pussy

      [–]Confluenced 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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      naw man, I smile all day when I get in the club, make eye contact, and walk over and introduce myself. People who aren't having a good time look autistic.

      But my smile is a smirk, I am usually thinking "Look at this lil slut, she wants it".

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      This is dependent on the individual. Some people can smile all night and radiate energy and women want to be in their orbit. Some people look goofy or insecure when they smile. Some people look like serial killers if they're not talking or smiling. It's about self awareness and finding what works for you.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      most people aren better served rarely smiling, smirking some times, and leaving it at that.

      trying to break down things on a micro level is too confusing for the audience.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Exactly this. I was on the tube a few days ago and I was acutely aware that I was the only guy with his head up and a natural smile. Makes a difference in the UK.

      [–]throvvvvavvvvay 5 points6 points  (5 children)

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      About the suit thing - I think this is highly dependent on the crowd and venue, but I agree that you should try to be one of the best and most appropriately dressed guys there.

      [–]Nettom 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Absolutely, but putting on a suit in a venue were no one else is wearing a suit... might look even wierd, instead of good looking and appropriately dressed. You really need to have the 9 or 10 looks to pull this of.

      [–]throvvvvavvvvay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      9 or 10 style, not looks. I've seen some funky looking people that know how to dress and can pull off being the only suit in the room - I'm ballsy (and handsome) enough to do it but I'm not up to date enough on clothes right now so I know better.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I'm aiming for the majority here. better to talk too little than too much better smile too little than too much better over dressed than under.

      [–]Humankeg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Exactly, don't be the douche that shows up in a hole in the wall in a suit at 11pm. Coming to a bar after work (which you wear a suit at) is fine.

      [–]CarlsPudding 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      I've done this and pulled it off. Going from one local hole in the wall to another though. You HAVE to be comfortable in your own skin to pull it off, its the whole IDGAF attitude that makes the difference yet again.

      It undoubtedly helped that I was a regular, but you can really pull off anything with the right attitude. If you look like you're wearing a suit because you just came from court/work/whatever and could give two shits, it'll work to your advantage. If you look like you're just doing it to get laid, you're fucked. And not the way you want to be.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      Where can I see these tinder statistics?

      [–]inlovethenwhat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah I don't know where he found that. Tinder has been pretty secret about their statistics. This is probably due to the fact OP is right and the truth would discourage the average guy from joining.

      [–]Da3dalus42 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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      As far as clothes go, what about tucked in button ups? Worn properly? You can't just walk around in a suit 24/7.

      [–]CocaineOnThaSink 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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      It's for higher end clubs. Not your common I'm a wage slave getting in here with my $20 because I just got paid kind of club.

      [–]Da3dalus42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      I figured as much. But, I'm talking day to day here. Business slacks? Boat shoes? What do you wear?

      [–]CocaineOnThaSink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Everyones style is unique to their body. What looks good on me ain't for the next man. That said, im pretty much a oxford and tapered jean kind of guy, something like this.

      http://us.levi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=33710116&&cp=3146842.4305630.11510053

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      wear a blazer.

      if its that hit rock a v neck

      [–]dbtng 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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      I liked the post. I worked (deleted) I've since moved on to less shitty employment, but I've gotta agree with you on most points. -Why smile at morons? Pointless. -Women want to rape bouncers, particularly women on too much Molly, coke, and booze. -As for the wardrobe advice, meh. I play my game my way, and that doesn't involve trying to look like I'm a CEO in the middle of an over-rated sweatfest. I get your point, but confidence can utterly supplant the need for a suit. Take care, brother.

      [–]drkstrs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      As soon as i figured out i could pick up women at clubs, I stopped doing it, and I stopped going to them entirely. Why? Sounds stupid, but I didn't know myself well enough to realize that 1) I hate clubs and 2) It follows that I am picking up women who LIKE clubs and they are not the women I was actually interested in meeting.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      that's some pimp level self awareness.

      most guys lack this self awareness and would rather just complain.

      [–]deadlee_ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      people who wear suits to clubs are colossal douchebags.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      colossal douchebags who are not standing by the bar lonely or scrounging for 5s at night's end.

      the opposite also works: if you're at some hoity toity lounge or hotel bar in a place like Manhattan or la then a blazer and jeans is better

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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      I know I'm going to be downvoted into oblivion...

      but my number one problem is that I get so nervous when I go out alone. Why go out alone you might ask? Well I'm new to town and don't know anyone. I always get really self conscious. it feels like no matter where I am everyone is in a group and I don't know how to just infiltrate groups.

      I've been wanting to go to a club recently to try this stuff out. I'm in that beginner phase where the best thing I could do for myself is juts fail hard so I can build up a tolerance to it and stop being a big pussy. I just feel like it's so much harder to do it while you're alone. Am I the only person who feels like this?

      [–]icumdollars 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Focus on making friends first. Avoid married or betas, though.

      [–]bscutajar 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Go to a gym and make friends there. A lot of guys at the gym make for great bros to go to the club with because they are usually confident and social. Use this advice bro because I accidentally hit the back button and I had to look for your comment again just to post this.

      [–]TRiPdonGame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I feel ya, bro. I'm still getting over my nervousness, and I've been living in the same place for a few years now.

      The hardest part about going alone is, well, actually DOING it. It's hard to get out the door when you have no guarantees that the night will bring you any good. It's also hard to hit the gym by yourself when you haven't done anything physical in years.

      Have you heard of Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich"? It runs around $.99 on Amazon and B&N. The little book provides a pretty good guide to developing confidence and determination.

      You might check out a few of the clubs and bars during their slower hours, too. Become a regular, and chat up the (not super busy) employees. After a few weeks, you can have a solid support network in the bar itself.

      Aside from that, remember the RP tenets. Focus on your body and mind. Work out. Get fit. Dress well. Develop strong frame.

      We have the ability to become awesome, you and I. Let's f***ing do it!

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      going out alone is rough and I don't advise it. going to clubs alone is suicide.

      make some female friends quickly.

      [–]pleasedontknowme30 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      OP, just curious but do you feel girls tend to go for any particular race of guys at this particular club?

      [–]GhostInTheRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Whatever race you are, as a man, you have to go for the girls.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      rich. that's the race.

      but white guys do best by a landslide.

      [–]1BadgerBurger 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Can you comment on bottle service? To me, it seems like it makes you a beta bucks chump from whom women are more than happy to take drinks. However, depending on club, it seems like the only way to not be shoulder-to-shoulder with people.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      at a high end club, bottle service is like bait for gorgeous girls. they don't need to drink it just know that you got it.

      but only spend it if you got it.

      [–]TheRedderPill 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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      The 90/10% Effect is Painfully Obvious.

      Very true. If you look, act and dress in a Euro-trash style, you are seen as the beta who dresses way too nice.

      [–]wazzym 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      What's Euro-Trash Style? Give an example please.

      [–]considerthis215 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      [–]TheRedderPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      just google it, especially in google images, and you will get the idea

      [–]JudgeRedPill 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      You nailed it, man. Assertiveness, assertiveness, assertiveness is key. If you look like a powerful guy doing shit, you will succeed. I used to be such a damn simp before getting redpilled. Women were not about it then, and I wasn't lacking on paper.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      the girls i pull in my suit whike working are vastly higher than me in a suit normally.

      perceived dominance and status is crack to women

      [–]ManowaR1488 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Number 3 is subjective. I'm in the zone I'm always smiling and making jokes. You can do this without being "weak"

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I write this for the majority. most men aren't the high energy types.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Smiling is Stupid.

      I remember talking to a friend studying psychology who told me about a social psych study indicating that people become more uncomfortable when faced with someone making a blank neutral face than someone who is clearly angry with them. It's unnerving to have someone look at you and be unable to tell what they think/feel about you.

      I also remember reading of a study that indicated that women are more interested in men whose intentions are unclear. Not men who make it obvious that they are attracted to them and not men who make it obvious that they aren't attracted to them, but men who are genuinely mysterious in their affections/motives.

      Now I understand that this flies directly in the face of your last point but I don't really think the two have to be mutually exclusive. There's certainly something to be said for keeping a poker face.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Smirk. smirking occasionally is worth Feb million smiles.

      unless you're a high energy guy smiling serves only to remove all mystery

      [–]cray-cray-cray 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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      Pretty strong post, but I'll take issue with this regarding eye contact...

      It's a fantastic criminal deterrent because people feel like you've noticed them and made contact, and now they don't want to disappoint someone they know

      Nope. They've made no connection with you and don't give a fuck about your disappointment. If anything, they know you can identify them if asked, in your capacity as a bouncer.

      On a regular street encounter... eye contact also deters attacks, but that's because they know you're not afraid to look around, and consequently, might be someone who would defend themself.

      Maybe you understand those things, but I don't want some social newbie getting the shit kicked out of themselves. What you said might be right for you, but it's not right for the 140# guy walking down an american street. Please remember that most of the audience here is not you.

      Some sociopaths take eye contact as a potential victim cue... There's a big difference between the "stay away from me" eye contact and the "I'm friendly" eye contact.

      Please elaborate if you like, but I don't want any random person here thinking that all eye contact is the same, or that eye contact from you in your club capacity is the same as their eye contact anywhere else.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

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      I hold the men here to a higher standard. I expect them to know the difference between standing firm and staring down a group of skinheads.

      [–]cray-cray-cray 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      It sounds like you, and 23 other people at this count, must miss the constant newbie posts here.

      I also didn't quote you as "the difference between standing firm and staring down a group of skinheads." That's not what you said. You said:

      It's a fantastic criminal deterrent because people feel like you've noticed them and made contact, and now they don't want to disappoint someone they know

      I just don't find that to be true, in theory, or experience. If criminals are deterred because they share a momentary glance with you, it's highly unlikely to be because they felt they made some personal connection with you and don't want to disappoint you.

      Can you point to anyone besides yourself who thinks momentary eye contact with a criminal is a "fantastic criminal deterrent" because the criminal doesn't want to disappoint you?

      If so, that shit should be taught far and wide to everyone with a pulse. Imagine the lives it would save.

      [–]Sippin_that_Haterade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Just as a complement to this, if you're in NYC and in public, do not make eye contact with random men. This is a poor life decision that me end up with you getting your ass beat/stabbed. People here are crazy.

      [–]CarlsPudding 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      White suburban people are really shitty at judging how and when to make eye contact, and they almost NEVER do it right.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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      No longer at the casino then Ryan?

      What women perceive as status and power and what is actual status and power are the same thing. Remember that.

      Do you mean "are not" ?

      [–]1AfterC 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      In reality, yes, they're not the same thing. In this case, I believe he's trying to argue perception has more importance than reality in the fast paced nature of club game.

      [–]moresmarterthanyou 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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      i dunno what club u work for but i live in hollywood and do the whole table thing once a month (for free my friend is a promotor) the less u dress up the better. i would laugh my ass off at anyone wearing a suit, and i RARELY see anyone wearing a full suit dude. alot of the rest is good info but dress snappy. i wear v neck and jeans all day and hoodies and hats do great dude. less u care and dress up the better

      [–]mormon-virgin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Yep..lived there for a while. Tourists would come to clubs wearing suits. In SoCal the dress code for guys is jeans, t-shirts, and muscles.

      [–]moresmarterthanyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      yessir, workin on my muscle outfit now!

      [–]Blood_Vaults 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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      suits = slave uniform

      the point was poignantly drilled into my skull during my last round of VIP security. I woke up at 5AM to go to work in a suit with body armor underneath.

      The VIP was still in his bathrobe at 5PM.

      If i'm doing out errands i'm in gym clothes. If i'm hanging out with friends I wear a form fitting dark v neck, jeans that actually fit, and converse shoes or boots. The dudes wandering around in suits are more than likely 30k millionaire tryhards and girls see right through that shit. No one likes a paper alpha. Save your suits for funerals and job interviews.

      [–]Killmelol12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Protip for TRP: Don't take your dress tips from people who work security.

      [–]Confluenced 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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      Everything you said is pretty much what I have learned. There are some points where I think it isn't so black/white, like smiling.

      As for a suit, I guess it depends on the place if they require button ups. I do the typical V cut with matching watch, shoes, belt and a sick ass necklace.

      If its a fancy place, then I'll wear a vest, bitches love guys in vests. Vest will match the pants, black belt with black shoes shined and primed.

      Being direct and sexual works, you gotta first get into the pack and make them laugh, say whats up to each one, then boom it's easy to isolate.

      Good read man, good read.

      [–]HedRotPiliCeppers 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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      vest with a t-shirt is a bad look dude. V necks naturally accentuate braod shoulders, but a vest with a t-shirt is a fucking bad contradiction of formality level. Vests are to be worn as part of a tux or 3-piece suit.

      [–]Confluenced 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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      lol wut? I never said I wear V necks with a vest. I said if I go to a fancy place, I prefer a vest (vs a suit). With matching dress pants and shiny black dress shoes.

      [–]HedRotPiliCeppers 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      sorry bro, misunderstood your post.

      Just because clothing is something I know a lot about, a suit consists of 2 parts, both pants and a jacket made from the same fabric (same color/weave etc.). Traditionally, a vest such as you're describing is not meant to be worn completely without the suit jacket, but its perfectly acceptable to take off your jacket when indoors, leaving a vest, shirt, and pants. Basically rules like that are really only relevant in very formal situations, so if you have a job interview, don't wear a vest without a jacket. In fact, I would not suggest a 3 piece suit for a job interview, but otherwise if it looks good and fits well, go for it.

      [–]Confluenced 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Hakuna matata, I didn't make it very clear from my writing.

      [–]lepies_pegao 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      I definitely agree with #5, but I just don't like how I look wearing a suit.

      [–]throvvvvavvvvay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Maybe you need a different suit?

      [–]sideoftheham 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Difference between staring and long eye contact?

      [–]CarlsPudding 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Staring is dead-eyed. You want to be reading with your eyes.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      if you don't know I can't explain.

      there is a line and its pretty obvious once you do it enough.

      [–]1needathrowawayplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Whether she's attracted to you.

      [–]Sherlock--Holmes 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      This was a great post. I take exception to two items.

      3. The whole attitude "I'm gangster and don't smile, knowhaimsayn" is completely backward. A lot of women enjoy laughter and if you can make them laugh you win. Smiling is a sign of stability too. You can play your "gangster wannabe" face, there are other ways to handle yourself that are better. Way better.

      5. It really all depends, but wearing a full suit usually looks out of place. Take the tie off and relax in a club.

      But yeah, too many slobs out there can't dress at all.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      its not a tough guy thing. most guys smile too much and it makes women feel like they get them. women like mystery. most men today over smile out of fear.

      again if you're a high energy guy then go for the smile and laugh routine.most guys are not though.

      [–]cooltrip 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      "WOMEN WANT TO BE SEXUAL OBJECTS"...

      ... for AlphaTM

      Anyway, I'll concede that no woman is comfortable with the idea that you are not sexually attracted to her body and her looks, even if you are NOT an Alpha, because if you are not attracted to her body, then you won't be actually attracted to her at all, since her body is the best thing she has to offer (also: if she isn't good even at something as easy and simple as being fucked by you, then she isn't good at anything).

      [–]hamstercide 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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      Can you elaborate on or give an example of what direct game is? I thought "mean walking up behind a girl and trying to grind on her" was as direct as it got, also, it's what all the hot alphas seemed to be doing.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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      walk up. don't introduce yourself. make a statement based on her appearances. make your intentions clear: I think you're attractive and I don't wanna be friends.

      since you guys are my niggas ill give you my freebie: you probably don't hear this a lot but you're very pretty. pause. wait for it to click. don't look away when she feigns indignation. smirk.

      [–]hamstercide 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      you probably don't hear this a lot but you're very pretty.

      Haha, gold. Thanks for the response.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      no problem. i'm always up to help when can.

      [–]1needathrowawayplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Direct vs indirect is one of the most basic game concepts. Google it.

      [–]VegasHostTre 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Well I would say the best days to hit the clubs are when they are relatively dead. I get the most action on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays when every John Q Paycheck has to sleep for work. Less competition means your SMV automatically goes up and if you look good its an even bigger plus.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      weekends are terrible club nights. that's when the professional club girls are out. if you don't have bottles ans tables I don't care how cook you are.

      [–]Clank_clank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      For people questioning the tip about wearing a suit to the club:

      In my experience, you can wear pretty much anything you fucking want as long as you wear it with confidence. (I feel like this should be a no brainer on the sub)

      For example, some of my most successful nights out have been accompanied by just my bathing suit from the pool after day drinking and a half unbuttoned button down. (In regards to the bathing suit, I'm not talking some overly obnoxious knee length surfer suit, I'm talking a shorter one, similar to the shorts brand "chubbies")

      In my experience, women flock to the "idgaf this is comfortable and I'll wear it attitude".

      Allow them to be the ones who suffer through the night in their heels and super tight corset or whatever the fuck they are wearing while you stay comfortable and in charge.

      [–]adamlikesprettygirls 0 points1 point  (10 children)

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      how do I become less scared and hesitant?

      [–]Johnny_Shades 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Practice practice practice. Approach girls more often, it'll get easier.

      [–]wildchild11 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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      lift weights, jerk off much less, develop and take pride in some kind of skill/ thing that you are good at, and acquire testosterone

      [–]adamlikesprettygirls 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      hm. those things sound good and well, but do they make me less scared and hesitant when i'm at the nightclub?

      i ask not to be an ass, but from the observation that the relationship between your advised lifestyle changes and my nightclub behavior hasn't been exactly linear, so far

      [–]Ganadorf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but becoming less scared and hesitant anywhere takes practice. It's a skill like game or sports. You were obviously not born with it (the majority of people aren't), so you have to learn and practice.

      [–]1independentmale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Go out, fuck up, don't give a fuck.

      The only sure fire way to get good at something is to fail at it repeatedly.

      [–]Adach 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      it's living the alpha lifestyle that gives you confidence, if you're being the best man you can possibly be, you don't have to try and convince yourself to be less scared and hesitant, you simply will be less scared and hesitant

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      fail. Alot. I still get rejected every day

      [–]adamlikesprettygirls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Thank you for the advice folks.

      [–]Blood_Vaults 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Go and do something where there's a chance you could die.

      Lifting weights is great, but you're not going to find your masculinity in an air conditioned gym. Go climb a mountain. Go to war. Go sailing. Go on a safari. Go bushwhacking. Dedicate yourself to a martial arts that has legit sparring. See a pattern? Just do something daring and dangerous that takes focus, self reliance, and self mastery.

      Once you reforge yourself in the fires of strife talking to some stupid whore is going to be the easiest thing in the world. Trust me.

      [–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      OP how tall are you? Unfortunately women see vertically challenged men as lower in status, and #2 is more difficult as well since you're low in status, they will think you're "staring" at them instead of "noticing" them.

      Ever notice how sometimes you'll see a fat, out of shape dude with a lot of pull? $1000 that the guy is tall. You'll NEVER see a short, fat, out of shape guy with pull. I've got friends who are either skinny as a pick or way out of shape (but 6' or taller) and have way better luck with women than our shorter friends (myself included). And I mean WAY better luck where it can't be attributed to handsomeness or whatnot.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      short guys are like fat guys: the suffering makes these men work real hard on their game.

      and yes I know fat guys can lose weight and short men can't get tall but a lot imof famous men are short. Its not a coincidence.

      [–]JGH8763 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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      What can be done to be successful despite the 90/10 rule? It's mostly based on looks, completely based on looks when it comes to Tinder. So, I suppose only guys who are 9s and 10s can use Tinder successfully? It's impossible to increase your looks past a certain point, so I suppose lesser guys are just doomed to a lack of sexual success in that venue.

      [–]throvvvvavvvvay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I just want to smack you right now and I'm saying this because I care.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      and this is why men are angry.

      the great veil imof equality has been removed from this thing we call society. communities exist so lesser men can procreate . remove that and violence cometh.

      [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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      Ever notice how black guys never smile in pictures?

      lol'd

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      good. it is funny. red pill shit needn't always be so serious.