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    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 99 points100 points  (12 children)

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    Women in general know no honor. Just grab lunch with her friends sometime.

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 35 points36 points  (3 children)

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      There's a reason there isn't a female equivalent of Bros before Hos.

      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

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      Chicks before dicks?

      ...La de da. Just typing for that stupid short post bot now...

      [–]manwhy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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      Never heard it. I wonder why.


      "Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself." - Rumi

      [–]Overkillengine 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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      Especially her single friends. Subtly or blatantly flirt. Set the tone that you are up for the best bidder, and that dishing dirt on competitors will improve their personal chances of getting the prize.

      Also, after the meal, run a little dread game on the primary candidate on how you had such a great time with friends x/y/z and might have to do that again sometime.

      Borderline unethical? Maybe. But then again so is hiding past behavior that is very predictive of future results.

      [–]subcover 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      How exactly is running a competition among her friends unethical? It's actually quite straightforward.

      It doesn't pedestalize them though.

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        [–]Drunken_dog -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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        No bad idea woman know no honor, but the same thing could happen to them from a friend. So their not going to want to talk to the boyfriend of a friend. Get a female friend who you can trust, this is one of the few times a sister comes in handy use her. If its just anther "girlfriend" then their tell her every thing after they get her to promise not to tell.

        [–]subcover 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Is that really true? I find that it's easier for me to talk to women than it is for them to talk to each other, because the competitive aspect is not there.

        A girl they don't know, they won't be interested in meeting and will be suspicious of. Women are very cliquish with each other. But they're always willing to talk to a guy they don't know, it's normal after all, as long as you make a nice (I don't mean "nice guy") impression, same as you'd approach any girl.

        [–]Drunken_dog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I said a sister is best. Woman will always try to worm their way into a guys family circle. Their want gossip and as a relative of you their be no competition. Be carful this can go very badly though if you can't trust her. My sister would never work for this, but i know others who have learned way more then they care to know by doing this.

        [–]surgeon_general 17 points18 points  (1 child)

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        I operate by trying to extract information out of a woman very early in knowing her. It's not always going to work, but I have found that when I am brand new to a woman's life, if I just let her run her mouth, they frequently tell me about some serious red flags.

        Maybe it's just me, and I have some way of making women comfortable to tell me about their past. But my point is that once that honeymoon period is over, I find that all of these women clam up about their past.

        Get her drunk on alcohol and sex on night one, and just listen to her.

        But once again, maybe it's just me, and I pick all the losers.

        [–]JihadDerp 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        99% of them are losers. Just keep plugging away until you find that unicorn. It's out there... (kidding)

        [–]MakeTheSexyTalk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Have done this, saved me untold misery. Sometimes Facebook is useful - if you've got a mutual friend (that you trust) ask them what they think.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I would say third parties. People tend to have beefs, but beefs usually don't replicate unless it's a clear part of a person's character. If you get enough perspectives, you'll get worthwhile information.

        [–]RPDBF 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        Preferably someone who knows her sexual history and slightly resents her for some petty reason so they'll be inclined to spill the beans.

        So we conduct interviews with beta orbiters haha

        [–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        You want to hear the downsides of the girl, you talk to the guy who is jealous of you and wants to break you two up.

        [–]kinggluejar 48 points49 points  (8 children)

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        Sluts make for bad LTRs. That's what all these anti-slutshamers don't get. Before there was contraception women who were slutty were pregnant (without knowing who is the father), had fatherless kids, and/or had an STD. It is deeply rooted in male psych to avoid committing to that sort of disaster even with the inception of contraceptives.

        But why the double standard? they may ask. Well it's simple. For men, commitment is a huge risk/investment. Then there's preselection. I'll leave it at that.

        [–]psycho-logical 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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        Contraception makes it less of a liability. Changes the game in a way. Still a liability though.

        Just to put it another way, I'd rather fuck a slut who has had an abortion than a girl who "is pretty sure she wouldn't keep it."

        In terms of long term material, it's a neither.

        [–]AgentSmith27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        There is no double standard. The guys who sleep around excessively are just as bad at LTR's as women who sleep around excessively. Neither group (in general) is well prepared to maintain fidelity, and they often have very poor relationship skills.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Honestly, yes, women have to raise those fatherless kids, but the men have to pay for 18 years, even if it was just a one-night stand.

        [–]rredfox 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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        But what about modern society which sort of puts so much emphasis on sex, and how women especially think they need to put out for men to like them. Sex sells. Women are taught from young ages that sex will get them more attention, which may incorrectly translate to affection for these girls.

        I think its quite possible that girls with several partners (not a lot, just more than a few) got that way not because they wanted to fuck a lot of guys, but because they thought fucking guys would get them to like her. Then after making the mistake and realizing the trend is putting out too soon, thus signalling to the guy you are a slut. Then she stops.

        Just asking how many partners one has had isnt enough to know if she is bad potential LTR material. I think its more than that although without much other information you can probably determine from that number with some probability she wouldn't be a good LTR.

        [–]kinggluejar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        You're right bro. I guess we sometimes conflate terms. The woman who gives up sex for a guy too easily isn't necessarily a slut. She's the equivalent of a friendzoned guy who's devoted to pleasing a woman that's using him. I guess we as individuals can be better persons to recognize this but in the end, society shits on these people.

        e grammar

        [–]rredfox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        That's quite an apt analogy. Interesting how fulfilling one desire for people may ruin your opportunities in other arenas. For men who are too friendly to women, they get friend zoned. Women on the other hand, will get slut zoned if she gives a guy what she thinks he wants (sex). This means that women need to be taught to not attract men with sex, and men need to be taught not to attract women with affection. I forgot the term for this, but its as if your value is so scarce and rare you can't waste it on anyone. So if you make it harder to get, it makes you more attractive.

        Dammit I wish someone told me that when I was 16

        [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I'm torn on slut shamming. I sure as fuck would never consider a LTR with one so shamming them is a good thing. But slut shamming, imo, leads to false rape accusations ultimately. They're all sluts and they know it but it's still not quite socially acceptable to be one (yet), ergo they hamster out a rape allegation. It's sickening frankly.

        [–]1johnnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        That is a good line of thought here. Before the contraceptives era sluts were off the market after a short carousel ride. A r-selection winning move for the proliferation of the species. Now they are enabled to go on forever...

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 28 points29 points  (17 children)

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        I kept calm and got a vasectomy. Although anal lots most of its allure, I do not have to concern myself with paternity. If I get an 'opps, I am knocked up' then she gets a boot to the curb with an admonishment to enjoy whoever the father is. Bye bitch.

        Lately I have been enjoying doing shit for me. When I am prowling for some strange, I don't give a shit if she is a slut or not, only if she is into Meth, heroin, or some type of abusing Rx shit like Ritalin. She won't be in my bed for long, two months max, and I will find another moist place to leave my seedless juice.

        [–]MooMooMooN 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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        I got one as well and never tell women. I just keep saying "I do not want kids"

        If they get pregnant while we are "dating" then I just smile and show them the door with no explanation.

        [–]blazingcopper 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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        Has it happened before? If so, story time!

        [–]pluvoaz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        My ex-wife casually tried this on me after we slpit. When I reminded her that she drove me back & forth to the doctor she dropped it right quick.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        I tell some of them, mostly married or with boyfriends. I get tested every six months too, no need to spread anything around.

        [–]MooMooMooN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        Tested every six months and I'm proud of it!!

        When the doctor asks: "Are you sexually active" I reply:

        "Have you seen how women are out there, doc? Of course I am"

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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        I would say getting a vasectomy is a vastly under-rated option for the amount of freedom it gives you. Like the relief you can feel when some woman tries to pin a baby on you you can stay calm and know you have the upper hand.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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        That and in an LTR no need for condoms or pearl necklaces, you can if you want but letting it go inside her feels fucking great.

        [–]tallwheel 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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        Hmm. Wonder why I never thought of it from that angle before. A vasectomy is starting to sounds pretty damn good. Better yet, I hope vasalgel is available someday.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        I did it at 37, the second wife was child free, hated condoms and loved the way it felt when I finished inside her. Three days of discomfort and it was the end of reproduction for me. All fun, no child support.

        [–]TRPCypher 4 points5 points  (7 children)

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        Heh, seedless. I'm thinking about freezing some of my seeds then getting a vasectomy. The baby trap frightens me at my age, 40.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (6 children)

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        I'm 45. Did it at 37, don't want more kids because I would be 70 when they graduated. Fuck that, I want to live my life for me now that my two are grown.

        [–]TRPCypher 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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        Ugh, 70 at a HS graduation ceremony. I don't have any kids yet and I'm not sure if I want them at the moment so freezing some seeds before a vasectomy is a good insurance plan I think. If I can find the right woman for me I'd hate to not have the option.

        Oh, have you heard about what a lot of parents are giving their daughters for graduation presents? Having some of their eggs frozen. Wow. Those parents know what's up I think.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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        The right woman? She doesn't exist. Everything about her depends upon you and your actions. They need leaders, they don't decide for themselves the way we do, they adapt to us and our lives. Almost any woman is as good as the next due to the way they are. There are some traits you want, such as taking care of herself so she doesn't become a land whale or hamplanet, and not being addicted to some kind of substance.

        I have a bud who is similar to you in that its been a long time since he got any. He has a grown son from the first time he got laid. In his entire life of 48 years, he has had sex less than two dozen times. Mostly he has done his own thing, businesses, houses, travel, but lately he has been trying to get a girlfriend/wife in former soviet countries. He is so beta and kisses their asses so much he can't even buy some pussy. His son has a kid now, and he learned so well from his dad that she left for a guy she met online, and the kid is still pedestalizing her.

        I've had horrible experience with females, and have had lots of them. They are a waste of time and money, not good for much other than sex and sometimes conversation. Having kids with her gives her nearly unlimited power over your life, she can take the kids on amwhim and get your earnings garnished leaving you homeless and little more than an indentured servant. Why would you ever want to risk what you have achieved and earned over the last 40 years for some sex? Wanting your genetics to carry on? Is there honestly something other than pridefulness making you want to have kids? Life is cheaper, easier to change, and you have a freedom parents can never get back.

        Up to you really, if you want them its your choice and life. I did the screaming kid thing in my 20s, no fucking way do I want to deal with that in my 40s and 50s. I'd rather have a dog and old muscle cars than a wife and kids.

        [–]TRPCypher 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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        Is there honestly something other than pridefulness making you want to have kids?

        No, I guess not. I'm still de-programming myself so I don't know what I'll think once I've fully internalized RP philosophy but I want to cover myself in case I want them later on.

        You sound pretty bitter but with your experiences I can sympathize. ATM I couldn't tell you what the "right" woman would even be like honestly. One thing I've learned over my years though is to not hamstring myself. Never say never. Keep my options open.

        I hear you though and appreciate the point of view, thanks.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        I'm not bitter at all, not even slightly. What I am is brutally honest about the situation regarding kids, women, marriage, the state, and child support/alimony. She can do everything wrong, be abusive, try to kill herself, lie, cheat, steal, and have a substance problem and still get the kids and 70% of your gross earnings. Its reality not bitterness. I'd rather men opt out of kids/marriage than get financially raped because of hypergamy, you go girl attitudes, and fucked up state laws.

        I provide a word of warning to others, because I am not an isolated case, I got off easy just being homeless on active duty because my pay checks were $100 a month and I was able to see my kids for twelve days out of seven years.

        [–]TRPCypher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Fair enough. Consider me warned. :p

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        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        If I were bitter there would be a vast increase in profanity, as it is, I hardly say fuck, rarely say cunt, and tend to use other emotive words to convey my displeasure.

        [–]sniperhiding 43 points44 points  (21 children)

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        Bingo. Dated a girl years ago, very conservative good girl. She had great girl game, knew her role as a woman. But one night she felt too comfortable and dropped the fact she slept with around 20 guys, and she was only 23.

        Next.

        A woman like that is not good enough for me to commit my life to, and is a terrible example for her children. I can't let those lips which have been on 20 dicks, kiss my children.

        [–]dubknight 25 points26 points  (4 children)

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        And don't just ask for a 'how many' number, unless you want a sample of what she sounds like when she is lying.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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        37 dicks

        OH FUCK, I THINK THE SHORT REPLY BOT JUST STOLE MY 37 DICKS.

        [–]Drunken_dog 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        Im banned from /r/sex because of a quote from that movie i commented to a slut telling a young guy that his girlfriend being with 40 guys before him at 19 wasn't a problem. She said she was the same. Guess which quote it was.

        [–]ohhaio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        random Tinderfession sample this evening:

        Tinderfessions @tinderfessions · 10h When I was 18 I thought I’d suck like 5 dicks in my life. 3 years later and it’s already more like 50. #thankstinder - Amber

        ReplyReplied to 0 times RetweetRetweeted 23 times23 FavoriteFavorited 124 times124

        Tinderfessions @tinderfessions · 11h 971 matches, still haven’t found an acceptable fwb. Stop trying to wife me and just fuck me like a dirty slut. - Lisa

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 23 points24 points  (4 children)

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        Being Sunday afternoon, it took me a while to get the pun. Very clever, GLO. Now we just need a "HoFax" logo like the CarFax logo...maybe a stretched out logo of a pussy with big floppy beef curtains or something.

        [–]TRPCypher 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        Her status icon would be vaginas in various stages of being stretched.

        "Yikes, bro! Your pull from last night scored a sagging grannie snatch on HoFax! lol"

        [–]pluvoaz 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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        There are 3 types of vag:

        1. Ziploc bag
        2. Blooming flower
        3. Busted ravioli

        [–]shamanbard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        You forgot 4: hole kicked in the side of a rotting hog carcass.

        [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Yellow and blue make green! Zip that snatch up ladies!

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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        So ducking true. I had a chick say it was between 10-20 guys she's been with. That's a 10 dick spread. So obviously it was 20 and above.

        [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        [–]swallowpls 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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        ask a mutual friend casually.

        cohamster with her and play into the victimization philosophy.

        [–]TRPCypher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Or take it a step further maybe? Game one of her friends to get her in the competitive spirit. Women love to fucking rat out their whore friends. Remember, honor is a male paradigm, do not expect women to understand it.

        Hell run some dread game on her friend for shits n giggles.

        [–]IamAwaken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        This is a really good one. Usually even girls that up their girl game can have trouble letting to of their older friends from spurrier times. This is a really good reason to actually meet her friends. Think of it as an opportunity for you rather than spending times with her annoying friends. Girls drinking love talking about fun shit from the past. It's really easy mode.

        [–]GuitarHero07 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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        Once you have enough experience in the game, you can spot a slut from a mile out. These two articles are a good starting point to becoming proficient in identifying sluts (current or former):

        http://www.returnofkings.com/16837/24-signs-shes-a-slut

        http://www.returnofkings.com/23539/26-more-signs-shes-a-slut

        Many girls won't want to come clean about the past or at the very least, they will give you a highly sanitized version of the truth. But fortunately there are many tells that she can't hide.

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        Another tactic is sympathy. Play into their victimization fantasy. If she makes a disparaging remark about a certain kind of man or personality trait, chances are that she hooked up with a guy like that and he dumped her. I.e., "I hate it when men lie!" There is a story there; dig a bit. "Yeah, I hate that, too. Here is an example of what happened to me with a guy whom I thought was my friend. What happened to you?" Obviously, subtlety is the key. If she realises you're digging for info, you'll get nothing.

        [–]lalicat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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        Upon joining the Navy you get your first PAP and there is a very awesome questionnaire that they have women fill out and it gets filled in their medical record as one of the first forms. It's very detailed and pretty much everything you'd ever want to know about a woman's past sexual history. We used to call it the hoefax. I never ever violated anyone's privacy by looking at it but I have had to look at it a few times for legit purposes like screening if they were due for a PAP. It's incredible though it asks:

        Age of first onset of mensuration Date of first sexual intercourse Number of partners Estimated percentage of condom use with partners Any history of sexual abuse Any history of STI Any history of abnormal PAP

        It then documents the physical exam and mentions things such as odor - I shit you not.

        There's a handy section in there about number of times pregnant, number miscarried, number birthed alive and number aborted.

        Like I said, I've never looked at this form without a 'need to know' and never told anyone else what I found on there but I've seen some real winners that made my jaw drop.

        I met my wife in the Navy right before she got out and one day I was gaming her. She had already given me a complete sexual history but I asked her to show me the hoefax and she didn't even believe me that it existed in her records because she forgot ever filling it out ... I made a game out of it and basically dared her to let me see it and she was like OK if you can find it. I did and was pleased to find out it fit exactly with what she had told me about being in a long term relationship with the guy who took her virginity at 19 and that being her only sexual contact. I also gamed her friend who was her BFF at the commend before she got to mine and she confirmed everything.

        That's when I slipped her into wife category and locked it down. All the shit she would talk about hating sluts wasn't just a front I had a legitimate good girl on my hands. It's only been further confirmed throughout the years ...

        [–]Glenbert 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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        No woman will ever answer this question honestly. All but 2 women I dated have lied to me in the beginning abouttheir milage. It's what women do. Kinsey demonstrated this quite well 40 years ago. And this is why the correlation between count and relationship stability is no where near as significant as people here make it or to be (R2 < 2%)

        No matter how few dudes she's sucked of in the past, she WILL fuck around if you are a pussy. AWALT, ALL of them. And that's what matters.

        [–]JihadDerp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Can you link to this Kinsey thing?

        [–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I was looking for it, but I can't find it. Basically, Kinsey asked women how many sexual partners they had been with in a clinical setting. Later, on their way out of the building, they would chat briefly with a secretary and typically confess that they had lied to Kinsey.

        This was, of course part of the experiment.

        The number I cited in the next sentence was based on the correlation coefficient mentioned at the end of this article.

        The underlying concept could be true, but the data is always bad. And even as a potential husband, you're not going to have access to better data. I am more convinced that a man being overly beta can have more of a negative impact on LTR stability than most things on woman's side.

        [–]sway_usa 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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        I'd be willing to develop a crowd-source app for this.

        [–]gensyms 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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        I was thinking the same thing.

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          [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Can you imagine the fem outcry over an app like this?

          [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Frankly I'm sick to fucking death of people sharing every goddamned intimate moment of their useless lives on facebook. It would be worth just to destroy that pile of putrid piss. It would be the ultimate act of schadenfreude to use this data against them.

          Of course Facebook is on a hard down slope and hotties are leading the charge I hear. Where are they going?

          [–]Dark_Shroud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Fuckedbook.

          Actually I was thinking of this as well. It came to me know not offhandedly.

          [–]SinfulPhilanthropist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Shit, I'd help. This'd be hilarious.

          [–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Back in my blue pill days, a girlfriend told me that she went to a nightclub while she was single and gave her number to three different guys - told one to visit in the morning, another to visit in the afternoon, the last to visit in the evening. All three visited her, but that doesn't change anything.

          She was surprised when I dumped her, but she wasn't going to be my children's mother.

          [–]Niemamnick 22 points23 points  (3 children)

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          Use a keylogger. GO through e-mails and facebook messages. Nowadays it's the only way.

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 33 points34 points  (0 children)

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          Six months ago, I'd have disagreed with this, but women nowadays are guarded, careful, and suspicious. While some girls still foolishly open up to you after a few drinks if you pretend to be "sex-positive", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean, and act more enthusiastic, interested, and encouraging the more of her slutty past she tells you, a lot of women are smarter than that.

          They guard their past slutting the same way you wouldn't tell her you're a Red Pill subscriber. They don't know who they can trust or who they can tell about their slutting -- a lot of them don't even trust their girlfriends (and with good reason).

          While we make fun of women all the time around here, the fact is that women are pretty smart. As smart as the average man. If a woman wants to slut around and get away with it, and she's serious about that, you'll never know. If a woman wants to cheat on you and really wants to get away with it, you'll never know. If a woman really, really wants to hide something from you, it's not all that hard. Unless you're outright spying on her, you will never know.

          My position is that if you're with a woman you have to spy on, however, then you've already answered the question you're trying to answer by the very fact that you have to spy on her. Fuck only.

          [–]pro_skub 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          I don't know. I think this can get you in very serious legal trouble if you are found out.

          [–]reptile420 6 points7 points  (23 children)

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          What is considered a slut in today's age? 20 guys? 40? 80?

          [–]Niemamnick 37 points38 points  (1 child)

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          Sometimes it's not about the number, but about the how.

          A girl with 2 past boyfriends is not the same as a girl with 2 past ONS or FWB relationships.

          A girl with 2 past boyfriends she was loyal to isn't the same as a girl who had 2 boyfriends and cheated on one or both of them.

          The girl with the FWB is a girl who doesn't respect her own body and doesn't value her own vagina. It sounds stupid, but it really is like that. Speaking in poetical or spiritual terms, what is the highest thing a human can give to someone else? Love. If you were a woman, would you let any guy enter your body, "take" you? A woman who has lots of value would only let a guy enter her if that guy proved to her that he loves her and is committed to her. A girl who has been someone's fuckbuddy or ONS has given up her pussy, an entrance to her body, for nothing. For some attention, for some compliments...things that have no value.

          Why the hell should you invest your money, time and most important, feelings into such a person? A man who is aware of his own worth and value wouldn't.

          [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          The girl with the FWB is a girl who doesn't respect her own body and doesn't value her own vagina.

          Problem is today they're programmed to think valuing their vagina means to treat it to every cock she fancies. Same "logic" behind fat acceptance imo.

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (19 children)

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          Statistically there is mean correlative data that represents marital disillusionment and it's relationship to number of sexual partners before marriage.

          No partners is 3% Fucking her before marriage yourself but no other partners is 11% 1 partner is 48% chance of marital disillusionment and it goes up a few percentage points (1-5) for each partner other than you.

          http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html

          This guy is using the Teachman study which doesn't correlate to my first two numbers; I'm out of time to hunt for the study I'm thinking of but it might be one of these: http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/focus-findings/marriage/premarital-sex-and-divorce.aspx or I could be a jackass.

          It should be noted that many of these studies have forwards that diametrically oppose the data with no foundation because this kind of science is discarded if it doesn't show a bias towards modern secular morality, in this case a pro sex bias.

          20 dicks in her cunt is a ticking lose half your shit time bomb.

          My scale:

          • 0-mydickonly (on the fence about HJs) wife material.

          • 1-3 dicks, all holes, long term plate material

          • 4-10 dicks, all holes, mid term plate material

          • 10-15 dicks, all holes, short term associations only, not more than 6 months.

          • 16-20 dicks, no personal association, only fucking, if she tries for intimacy I wont even lead a bitch on.

          • 20+ dicks or a kid and I wouldn't fuck her with your dick even if it were double bagged. That girl is making money off her pussy, looking for beta bux or is infected.

          Any specifics other than that are based on race/sexuality stats determining population percentage with STDs I don't want. I don't fuck chicks that have fucked bi-men or black men recently without testing them and I wont plate a girl over 5 partners without tests and I don't touch girls that do intravenous drugs.

          Exceptions to this are only made for revenge sex, dimes and bragging rights and I wrap it.

          [–]Burner1701 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Given that, for the best shot at a happy marriage shouldn't you limit the number of sexual partners you have too?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          That is completely true.

          These numbers are also relevant for men but it does seem that women are slightly more effected, the other thing to note here is your goals and view of disposability. Or in layman's terms: you can see your own cards, are you thirsty for it still? If you don't value the woman you chose as anything more as a breeder to provide progeny for your legacy then it probably isn't going to go well.

          Let me illuminate this a bit more. mutual virgin marriages are 2-3% divorce rate, all marriages of female virgins are ~11%. Now these are combined data from the US and the UK which makes this not very scientific, especially with the next step which is my supposition that the statistics are different because virgin girls will occasionally marry sexual active men. The question is what percentage of virgin girls are marrying sexually active men, if you consider for a moment the age of common marriage has rested in the early to mid twenties over the last 30 years I find it improbable that so many of those virgin girls would marry more than 60% virgin males, my guess would be that something like 30% of virgin girls marry virgin men, tops. If that were the case and the male numbers are to be trusted 43% or 46% at one previous partner for men it should not result in such a low divorce rate for female virgins considering they typically get snatched up by alphas in their youth after the alpha strides into or out of his prime.

          Men select virgins for stability Is my thought, virginity clearly matters in how people view themselves and a woman that views her life in terms of traditional righteousness makes a better wife than a woman who sees herself a templar of the modern morality. This was my main point if you don't have time for the rest of this wall of text you can stop here.

          I wish men could wait until marriage but biologically that wasn't meant to happen in today's civilization. in ancient and olden times when you could pump spunk and you had the resources to house, feed and clothe a wife you could marry. Many fathers enabled their sons to marry early, saving them from today's long term incell status that is so common. In Israel for something like a thousand years men/boys would build an extension onto their father's house for their wife and the father would pay them for working his land in certain times, that money would serve as dowry or for workers to help them build the "mansion".

          As it stand today it take much longer for a man to establish himself and our society is against men in this way, maybe not intentionally but nobody asked men if they wanted it this way. Pouting aside, let's follow the path of a male and female virgin until marriage in today's age.

          The boy is ready to fuck at 13 he can't do a damned thing about for at least 5 years of high school, he dates and fails and dates and fails for a year because it really is a learning experience for him. He then meets a girl at church his age and they date for two years but she cuts it off because she isn't married and she doesn't see a ring coming from this guy until she's in her mid twenties, he mopes about for some time and he's 22 now. 9 years an incell and no end in sight, he meets a girl at a party and they date casually for a few months until she cheats on him, back to moping his younger sister sets him up with a friend she knows from church the girl isn't the best looker but our guy is 23 and his balls are busting open and he's ready to just plant the flag but he's nearly broke because the economy is in the shitter and the thing he went to college for isn't getting him a job, he immediately heads to community college to rack up a little more debt and picks up a trade skill like welding, he fast tracks his courses and is done in a year and a half he's 24 his girlfriend is 21 and he buys her a ring with all of the money he has left over after moving into an apartment with a roommate. he finds work in his area pretty quickly and gets to work while his GF studies nursing. They get married a year later and they are both in massive debt living in an apartment on the bad side of town and the rarely see each other between work.

          A virgin girl, age 17, goes to church helps with a few programs there and immediately after turning 18 every church guy in that place within seven years her age is diving in for the kill. She picks a 25 year old that has a a business degree and works for his family's business selling cars or insurance or managing a factory and he's in no debt, pulling 65k a year with a soon to be raise as they get engaged on her 19th birthday and marry the following spring moving into a reasonably sized house before she turns 20. She skips college and starts pumping out kids and her hubby quickly hits the ceiling for his position at the company because he has a stay at home wife, by the time he's 32 daddy retires and gives the whole thing to him. now they've got 4 kids and hubby is raking in 100k per year.

          These are best case scenarios for the average virgin of each sex but most guys are 27 before they are well established enough to provide for a family, how the fuck could anyone expect a guy to repress his biological imperative for 13-15 years? Whereas a girl married at 20 may never have even had an urge if nobody tried to activate her sexuality but even if she were turned on in her prime at 16 she would only have to wait 4 years because most virgin girls get snatched up like free candy.

          TL;DR Yes but: muh biological imperative/muh self control

          [–]psycho-logical 4 points5 points  (10 children)

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          If you think someone has to be a virgin to be marriage material you're delusional. No one is marriage material :P

          [–]Talkshitgethit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          I knew a couple of women who were smart, sociable, funny, and virgins. The only problem was they were married at 19-20.

          Damn shame (for me)

          [–]Niemamnick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          That's the thing. Nowadays, it's pretty much impossible to find a good girl past the age of 20. That's why I'll only date teens. (I'm 26).

          [–]TRPCypher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Like it matters with today's generation. You'd have to go down to 12years old to find a virgin. It's like what Rico said about criminals in Judge Dredd: "Guild, and innocence, is a matter of timing"

          Same for sluts. If they're not already one they're aspiring to be one. Thank you feminist movement for once again spoiling the well.

          [–]Niemamnick -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

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          Oh trust me, I know enough virgin women who are in their prime and aren't interested in losing it yet.

          [–]TRPCypher 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          They're not virgins but they love that you think they are. "Anal and blow-bangs don't count! tee hee"

          [–]psycho-logical -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

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          I'm also gonna disagree that a virgin is necessarily ideal. I want a girl who likes sex and knows what she wants. I can teach, but I can't change someone's brain. A virgin is definitely more likely to view sex as "not that important."

          [–]Niemamnick 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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          Name: "psycho-logical" Comment: not so logical.

          By your "logic", a pornstar also likes sex. After all, she has tons of it.

          " I want a girl who likes sex and knows what she wants."

          All women are able to enjoy sex...with the right man. Women don't know what they want. That's where a man, a leading being, comes in and tells her what she is supposed to want.

          Whenever I hear a man spout that line "...I want a woman who knows what she wants!" I can't help but think "beta on sight".

          [–]psycho-logical -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

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          And anytime I hear a guy tell me virgins are ideal I wonder what century I am in.

          If you look at my original post you'll see that I said "no one is marriage material." Unicorns do not exist.

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          Sexuality in humans is a can of worms. A boy's can get's opened by puberty most of the time and unless you've taught the boy the importance of re canning or putting them in a jar he'll leave the damn things everywhere. For girls theirs' gets opened by an outside force in most cases. Many things can let her sexuality loose; the sensitivity of her vulva when she walks or runs, her first boyfriends scooter or motorcycle, TV or access to porn, playing doctor at young age can do it early just like boys but most girls it's turned on by the first orgasm they have which is typically their loss of virginity or there about. If nobody teaches her the value of putting those worms back under her control (this is a blatant metaphor for self control) she will experience consequences to her actions that otherwise could have been easily avoidable without the loss of any satisfaction in life.

          That's why a virgin is important and has been historically, women become sluts after they've had their first run in with real pleasure and their lack of personal responsibility inherent in their biology and social conditioning requires that there be a system in place to control the direction of her sexuality otherwise society may suffer because of the fatherless children she will bring in and lower the quality of the given society, the economy suffers with the proliferation of at will divorces in the west as there is a greater burden on the man and the economy to provide what would be redundant services and goods to the woman and her child while potentially adding another worker to the workforce lowering the value of labor, Demand<Supply.

          STDs, bastards, cheating, divorce, shame, unwanted pregnancy, abortions, damaged uterus, more likely to be sexually assaulted if she dresses for the part(Like attracts like, dress like you're sex crazed and somebody sex crazed will find you), drama, losing half your shit, cuckoldry and male on male violence over a woman are all reasons why women shouldn't be trusted for marriage if they are anything other than a virgin. Many societal woes are the fault of a pro sex bias and it's fruits.

          Is it manipulative? Yes. Is it wrong? That's subjective; If strengthening/maintaining the foundational social unit is wrong I don't want to be right.

          Espousing a pro-modernity bias is as erroneous today as it was in 1900.

          I'm not saying virgins are unicorns, I'm saying that they are typically adherents to traditional values and can be molded and guided in their sexuality and not set loose into the open world as cock craving whore bag. AWALT but social conditioning matters about as much as the biological imperatives that drive AWALT.

          [–]Niemamnick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          I don't believe a woman who is a virgin to be an unicorn per se. Some women can be virgins and still end up losing their virginity during a ONS--> future slut in the making.

          What I do believe in is, if a woman in this day and age only agrees to sleep with a man in the context of a relationship, then I have the utmost respect for her, as she manages to withstand feminist propaganda and decadent Western "values". Now that's the kind of woman I'd date and eventually marry.

          Fuck sluts. Treat them like pieces of meat, for that's how they view themselves.

          Marry the virgin. Love her dearly until you die.

          [–]Misterlulz -1 points0 points  (4 children)

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          Why would it matter if she was with a black guy?

          [–]thesaltysoup 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          Because it would be like throwing a pencil down a hallway when you fuck her.

          All jokes aside, you look at these stats and think, "gee..."

          http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/healthdisparities/AfricanAmericans.html

          [–]isthatyourdaughter 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          I don't fuck chicks that have fucked bi-men or black men recently without testing them

          Higher prevalence of STDs is what he's talking about.

          [–]Drunken_dog 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Im guessing your black, this isn't an insult. Black men and woman have skyrocketed chances of having STDs. I live in the us this might not be true everywhere.

          [–]Misterlulz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I'm not black actually, haha. Caucasian. I was j.c.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Don't forget, most men don't count.

          "It was just a blowjob and then he fingered me, doesn't count."

          [–]phe_nom 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Even putting it up her butt, she could totally push your man chowder back out later and turkey baste it. Gotta watch out for them turkey basters.

          [–]TRPCypher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Reversable Vasectomy Bro I'm thinking hard about it.

          Edit: Either this or freezing a buncha sperm and just getting a vasectomy.

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Solid post and absolutely critical, I think a lot of guys who are very smart about digging for information and objective pro/cons while making business decisions can be the absolute dumbest fucking morons when it comes to applying the same critical eye to relationships. Obviously if you are on TRP, you on some level already know that sluts = plates, not LTRs, but the problem is, increasing numbers of sluts have wised up to this fact as well. You don't have to be Sherlock, you just have to view it as someone being sold a car or making an investment.

          People know how to tell if I am bluffing, lying, exagerrating, leaving out details, etc, if I am selling you a product and you are choosing to buy or not buy. (Well, most don't I suppose, but amongst successful / relatively alpha men, they have decent information obtaining skills. If I look down while I answer a question and mumble it out, if I try super hard to force a ultimatum (buy today, the deal is gone, you walk away someone else is in that car and you won't see it again!), your bullshit filter will perk up. You will ask tougher questions or just walk away.

          Educated business risks is how you get the reward of long term money, and uneducated business risks - committing to a course of action without understanding the information involved - is how you wind up broke. Some dudes are essentially investing in these shitty pyramid schemes and penny stocks that will never pan out, simply because they do not do the fucking research. Alphas and betas fall for this - how many relatively "alpha" celebrities you know who are paying out the ass in alimony / CS? Nas comes to mind.

          Do the research. It is so easy to get girls confessing and honestly, it will help keep you in the RP land because you will see her as she is. Even if, for some crazy reason, you want to try to go the distance with a slut, it's important to know and have an honest picture of who she is. All you have to do is quid pro quo - girls want to know about you SO BAD, far more than they want to conceal their own secrets. Tit for tat, just keep the spiral going, and let the truth trickle out. Practice saying "hey, I didn't know you were such a badass, that's pretty cool" even if in your head you are vomitting and making a pledge to double-wrap it. Keep the validation flowing and she keeps singing.

          [–]heavywepsguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdwOZa0jdbo

          VagFax! Dumdeedum, dumdeedum, beat the post length filteeerrrrrr

          [–]ChauvOtoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          See a GOL post... never disappointed

          [–]OKJaded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I have TheHoFacts.com. Lets do this. Show me your HoFacts.

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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          I don't fully understand why certain comments are being downvoted.

          It seems to make sense that someone might distinguish between: after the break-up, when completely free, I fucked a guy or two, versus, before the break-up, I fucked a guy or two. Neither is great, but given that the illusion of the pedestal is fallen... one must accept that there WILL have been a guy she fucked that she didn't love, nor vice-versa. And ethical behavior may carry some weight in addition to "just the numbers."

          And it could well be argued, concerning the ick factor, that maybe your girl's past getting drunkenly banged twice by strange dick is in fact LESS detrimental to her relationship with you than a year long committed relationship where they fucked and sucked and loved over and over creating a stronger bond before it shattered. Do you not agree that drunken hookup sex can be pretty mediocre and not leave much of a lasting impression (assuming the number is reasonable, not in triple-digits...), whereas commitment can mark a girl much more strongly... and it probably means she had wilder, deeper sex.

          In fact, I would get more disturbed by a LTR having looked deep into her ex's eyes begging to be fucked and wanting only him than knowing she was out dancing, took a guy home, made out, they kinda fucked but were drunk and she kicked him out the morning.

          I know this seems to be backwards in regards to TRP theory (so it's either a hole in the theory, or my own hang-up, I'd be happy to find out which), but it doesn't strike me as all that much better for LTR prospects for a chick to have fucked 2 guys 500 times each for 1000 fucks, reaching deeper with them and bonding more to their dick, than to have fucked 10 guys an average of 4 times each for 40 grand-total lifetime fucks.

          I've had years in a relationship where I only fucked one girl, but we fucked 200-400 times . And then in a year where I was free to move about the cabin, I may have fucked 4 girls, but only had sex 30 times.

          And it would be with the one girl that I would have more memorable experiences... sex in different locations, crazy positions, going for hours, etc. The new girls were exciting, but mostly because they were new. Most of them I didn't get that crazy with in the ONS or the handful of weeks we banged.

          I guess that's my question regarding theory. Where is the trade-off between number of partners of number of fucks. I guess there are other factors, too... Are the other guys in your social circle? Were they all out of her league, and above yours? Were some of them pornstars or other redflags? But overall, I don't know that over the course of, say 5 years, sharing 1000 fucks with 2 guys is all that much better than sharing only 40 fucks, albeit with 10 guys...

          [–]TannhauserOverture 2 points3 points  (7 children)

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          You make valid points and it's good to see critical thinking applied to TRP philosophy. I'm absolutly certain that retroactive jealousy guys feel is there to protect them from raising an other mans offspring (on a biological level, hardwired long before the pill came along). A promiscuous past spells trouble for a possible LTR - on a biological level that you can't control with any level of male hamstering.

          Male hamstering is easy to detect. It's when a guy justifies his GFs slutty past with "i got around too, lol".

          But what I'm saying is that you're spot on with your observation on previous relationships. While they might(!) be a good sign they can also be lots of trouble. Your GF constantly comparing you to her ex, her ex still hanging around, her ex being friends with her friends, you know what I mean.

          Plus: If you're a pussy supplicating to your GF and not dominating in a natural way, she'll branch swing or cheat regardless of prior number.

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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          That's exactly it. Thanks for your additional commentary.

          I do think it is worth evaluating.

          I don't think I'm male-hamstering by bringing up these points, and you're not claiming that I am. I just think the philosophy may need to be deepened concerning the questions I brought up. It's very easy to dismiss a girl who's been with 10 guys over 5 years... but if she's only had sex 25 individual times over those 60 months...there's more to the story that needs to be evaluated. Especially if you compare to a girl who's had 3 dicks but they gave her a way worse alpha-widow complex, or he fucked her on his yacht and she'll always miss that, or even if just emotionally, she still deep down feels that she should still be with one of those 3... always comparing you, as you said.

          I do tend to struggle with retroactive jealousy, and as you said, it's something deeper than what I can reason with, as biologically our brains protect us from raising another man's offspring. Even if we rationally understand there might have been another dick in there, as I don't suppose we'll be bringing Taliban morality to the West any time soon, we just have to deal with it. And so the point here, is not to hamster that it makes no difference if it was 20 dicks or 1 dick, or relate it to our experience as males. But, rather sincerely, as I make these off-the-cuff numbers for examples, is it worse to have 2 dicks 7000 times in the sluttiest ways imaginable or 8 dicks 15 times total in rather unsatisfactory ways?

          Obviously, if we're talking 50+ dicks, that's another story, but a girl who's been sexually active for 10 years and had 8 dicks 15 times... it seems like "number alone" doesn't tell the pertinent story. That said, I'm not here to rationalize away slutty pasts. It's just that a past can be just as slutty with a lower number and dismissing mediocre, forgettable sex with a higher number could lead to a form of pedestaling a woman's past based on irrelevant low numbers of partners, rather than the full sluttiness of her sexual history.... Always remembering that low numbers don't include the trickle truth you get if you ask for more details.

          [–]TannhauserOverture 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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          Waaaait a second my friend - this is the truth: I'm reading your askTRP post in an other tab as we speak - I didn't find it by going there via your post history - meaning I've got waaay too much time on my hands.

          Anyway - your points are valid but I think you're just obsessing at the moment. Believe me, I've been there.

          So forget the numbers game for a second. Just forget it.

          Ask yourself this and answer honestly: Did the girl make you the center of her world like a beta-orbiter with an extreme case of oneitis does with "his" girl? If the answer is yes: relax. If it isn't: relax and move on...

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          hahaha.

          Yes, working through a bit of real life retroactive jealousy at the moment.

          Let's forget the numbers...

          To answer your question, yes, she put me right at the center of her world. She doesn't like me being away for too long. She wants to get to know me. She wants to talk. From what we talked about the other night, she brought up some exes because she wanted to "get me to talk" since I've been rather aloof emotionally in the couple of months we've been seeing each other. She seems to be quite wary and jealous of me as I went home with a different girl on the night we met and when I talk about random stories from the past, she always wants to know if I slept with this or that girl from the story. Half of the time, I have. But most of all, I do get the feeling that she really wants to keep me in the center of her life. She doesn't trust me yet... and I'd rather keep her on her toes at the moment early on. I think her bringing up exes was her shitty girl-game way of finding out about my past.

          Girls do have such shit game. My last plate told me she was going to sleep with some guy unless I had a problem with it. I told her, "Do you what you want" and downgraded her from possible LTR to permanent plate. Turns out, there was no such guy coming over. Her girlfriends came up with the scenario to test out "how much I cared." I actually was starting to develop feelings, but her test of telling me to my face that she planned on letting a guy sleep over but would only fuck him if it was okay with me disgusted me, as you can guess from my jealousy complex.

          But considering what I said about the LTR girl at hand, does this sound like I can relax about it?

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          I saw your reply, but it's not showing up in the thread, so I'll respond here.

          Thanks a lot for what you said, man. I appreciate it. I think you're right that maybe I ought to give TRP a break... not the philosophy, but just coming here and filling up on horror stories and angel-on-the-head-of-a-pin questions.

          I think I may fit all the categories you described as being "her oneitis." In other words, I may be living out RP too well and can't even see its benefits.

          Without getting too analytical about the numerous good points you brought up for me to consider, I will just tell this story.

          Last night we watched the World Cup game with a couple of friends. The two other girls were going on about how hot the sexy soccer playing men were. One slightly teasing her boyfriend about why he can't have that rough sexy scruff like so-and-so. (He happens to have a long beard from, you know, just working on his Ph.D. in Applied Physics thesis for the last couple months.) They joked that they weren't really talking about the sexy soccer players in front of him but hey you have to admit, etc. etc.

          And my girl didn't join in with a single fucking word about the soccer players. I'll let that sink in for a moment and relax for a while...

          Thanks!

          [–]TannhauserOverture 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          weird, my answer didn't show up for a while it seems

          my point was that you wont find a final answer here, its still your life so you'll have to decide. youre only three months in, right? so if you have doubts now there must be some reason, right?

          TRP will help you not to get complacent, the rest is up to you

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Yes, but having doubts is probably actually a better place to be with my new knowledge compared to a year ago where I was like, "Yippee! My perfect, true love, such a special snowflake!! I have no doubts!"

          A lot of the doubts are also my own issues. When I'm with a girl with small tits, I thirst for big ones. When I'm with a girl with big ones, I die for small ones.

          But overall, you helped shift my perspective to relieve myself of some doubts. Again at a party last night, there was a girl telling her bf, "You better not smoke that cigarette! I'm gonna be real mad at you!" My gf would never boss me around like that, especially in public. I took her home and fucked her hard up against the wall and everyone goes to bed happily ever after.

          Some doubts remain, but I will remember to give her the benefit of the doubt for all the good things she does, too. Time will tell. We are seeing each other across NYC-Paris, so either I bring her to live with me permanently, or I have an easy escape route if I don't like how it's going.

          [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          This shouldn't be too hard considering the fact that today's 20 something year old women are selfie obsessed narcissists.

          Lol there are even sex selfies. /r/sexselfies

          Lol just 10 more years and public sex will be a common occurrence. All because people thought it would be okay if women could combine the two things that brought them the most validation: sex and selfies.

          "They're just having fun! leave them alone!"

          You'll be walking down the street and see a guy and a busty gal going at it like rabbits, in the nude, with children, adults, and old people watching.

          [–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          How is "relationships are built on openness and understanding" guilting someone? Isn't that just a fact? Or do you not do this. If thats the case you are messing up.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          The most amazing thing is when women are ok with some girl in the UK going down on 20+ guys for a free drink and accuse people of "slut-shaming" because they don't agree with her behavior. Everyone has the right to know how often their potential partner has been someone else's strange, man or woman.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          Very good post. I'd like to also suggest that people vet the woman in question as much as possible. Go through her emails and phone logs. Put a key logger on her computer. Hire a private investigator if need be.

          It's not about being controlling. It's about finding out as much info as possible. You can't trust women when it comes to their past. You need as much information as you can get.

          [–]MrRexels -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          Wow, easy now cowboy, last thing you need it's giving her lawyer more tools against you, they've got enough already!

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          The point of my post is to do as much as possible without getting caught.

          [–]Onemanwolfpack23 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

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          I think this is somewhat misguided advice. I understand where you are coming from but many times a girl does want a LTR and just simply cannot find it. A woman trading her body is the same as a "nice guy" beta trading feels for some chance at intimacy, but inverted. This would be like a girl asking a guy how many girls he has orbited around. I knew a girl who had gone from a LTR to riding a cock carousel of 5 at a time, for a total of 9 at 21 and she was on her way to ride that much much harder. Whereas I met a girl 6 months later who had in her undergrad ridden ~20 dudes and was a much nicer person, who simple wanted a LTR- which I was glad to enter after a hesitant dating period of 3 months. She has been nothing but loyal to me and we have been positive influences in each others lives. 20 dudes/4 years is 5 a year average which is 1 every ~2.4 months. How can you really hold that against someone? Sure she may have racked up 10 in her freshman year and spread the rest over 3 more but a girl at 18-22 is peak SMV and a guy is not...

          If your girl is a dime (to you) you shouldn't take it personally that she has been with a lot of guys. Most girls tend to ride the carousel until a LTR comes along, breakup- ride the carousel for better or for worse for a few months- and slow down into other LTR. It's simply the way the game is played.

          I don't want detailed accounts of every dude who orbited her, who she blew, who she fucked, who she had anal sex with- that just poisons the well.

          Fuck maybe i'm just naive but I really believe that many (not all, but most) carousel riding girls simply need a stable LTR similar to how beta orbiters need to enter a healthy relationship to realize the give and take of a real relationship.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          Going into a situation with less information is never beneficial. If you are easily upset by your girlfriends past so much so that you cant hold frame red pill isnt for you. There is some pedistuling in your comment. Regardless of whether you agree just know that uour relationship with her will share commonalities with her prior relationship and its in your interest to get a heads up.

          [–]psycho-logical -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

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          Age, attitudes towards sex/relationships, stance on abortion, etc... are all more important factors than their "number." Like others have said, the "how" is the key. For example, casual sex is a much smaller degree than cheating, even if they both are +1 on the partner scale. I also count dicks sucked as counting more towards the partner count than the average female would.