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[–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 204 points205 points  (84 children)

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I lived in LA for 3 years, I know this girl very well. It's like getting into the NBA - if you are genetically talented, work really hard, and get a little lucky, you can move to the city and basically work the hypergamy hard, enjoying a nice lifestyle provided to you and getting your alpha fucks. Maybe 2-3% of the girls will actually land their wealthy dude that wants to support them.

The rest just sort of loiter around, going nowhere, but spending their miniscule paychecks on living way too close to the expensive posh district, new clothes, and various props to APPEAR to be living the lifestyle that the former 2-3% are living. It creates a reality distortion field that is hilarious and tragic at the same time. Because all these hoes chasing the city dream are such great actors and so committed to maintaining the public image of having the perfect life, all these other young girls look around and think "oh... it's real! I can do that too!"

And what they don't realize is that the girls who succeed at this hustle - let's say a pretty girl who moves to LA, meets a rich guy, sucks some producer dick in a nightclub and gets in a movie, etc... she is STILL FUCKED when she turns 30. Despite the payout, despite the divorce money, she has gotten addicted to an unsustainable lifestyle. All these instagram hoes - the successful ones who do get very high value guys - were balls deep into coke, molly, dexedrine / adderall (they have no mental issue, they just cannot sit and do their basic HR / sales job without a stimulant / focus enhancer, it's just too boring for them), and of course alcohol. My good friend rushed to get married to snap up a girl who was jaw-droppingly hot, and by 30 she looks like she is 45, no joke, and has a pretty expensive painkiller habit. (These city girls and painkillers / opiates is a whole different story, my god).

Now imagine these girls, except they aren't really hot and in lululemons during the day and miniskirts at night like in LA. They are fat, manly, marked up by pretentious tattoos, and have an aversion to proper grooming / make-up. Their sense of ego is massively inflated because there's an abundance of men and most of them are white knights. Now you have Toronto.

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    [–]rztzz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    Really? I think girls in Cambridge/Somerville/Brookline are pretty level headed, just not nearly as hot as other cities.

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      [–]rztzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I'm 26 so date in the 22-26 demographic. A bit easier.

      [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 50 points51 points  (29 children)

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      My good friend rushed to get married to snap up a girl who was jaw-droppingly hot, and by 30 she looks like she is 45, no joke, and has a pretty expensive painkiller habit.

      This is Central Europe. In my country we use the follow phrase:

      Look at her mother; marry her daughter

      With means, look at her mother in her 50s, 60s, if she is fine (mentaly and physically [medical problems]), and she looks Okey, atleast you have a vision how her daughter will look like in her 50-60s.

      The 'Wall' has 2 aspects, biological, and physical. Biologically they all want a husband and have babies, but not all of them will look horrible in they 30s.

      I know 2 mothers (same age) and i know they daughters (same age, 26).

      • The brunette's mother is still fine (she ~49 or something), if i'm sure no one else would found out, i might do her, i'm pretty sure she is good. Her daughter gets even hotter as she gets older. She was really dull in her early 20s.

      • The blond's mother, she is balding, again she is 49+ something too. She looks like 65 or 70 years old woman. Now let's check out her daughter. She was pretty cute in her early 20s (~22-23), she is just 3-4! years older, and all the cuteness is fading rapidly, she WILL hit the wall hard. Well, not exactly, her enormous tits will reduce the impact.

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        [–]CptDefB 41 points42 points  (0 children)

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        Then the belly creeps out to serve as a boob tray for the rest of their lives.

        That's what REAL women look like! Sexy just the way they are! /s

        [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 13 points14 points  (9 children)

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        That will be her savior in her 30s, her huge tits combined the a petite body. You will look at her face, smile like someone who just bit on a lemon, and then you see the rest...

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            [–]10J18R1A 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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            That's just the sadness. That and the ones that are so fat that the D's look like A's.

            [–]1spicy_fries 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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            They really are the worst. It's almost like, "Where the fuck do you get off having small tits?!"

            Looking at the pros and cons of banging a fatty, you at least consider that she has big tits. But a fatty with A cups? She's not even a woman anymore. It would be like banging a dumpy box of flesh...

            [–]theredpillacct 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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            Seriously, I actually find girls with average and smaller than average tits hotter. When i see a girl with huge tits i just get this picture in my head that those tits should be attached to some cow.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Same. Current girl has huge natural tits (nicely shaped too) and is offended I'm not drooling over them.

            [–]Lipophobicity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            Agreed, I also think there is the mentality that the big boobs make them less interested in keeping everything else up.

            If we all walked around without pants, and you had a 12 inch cock, would you be as concerned if your socks didn't match?

            [–]RedPillScare 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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            When they start looking like Beagle ears...

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              [–]Dokkobro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              ZIIIIING. This made my day. And as a man who just started dating a skinny little a cup bitch, I feel as though I'm on the yellow brick road. I call em speed titties.

              [–]ImCheshire 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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              I have noticed that the typical american blond ages really fast. After 28 they're already looking like 35.

              [–]PlanB_pedofile 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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              Can confirm. Look at the mother in both beauty and personality.

              Now the only screwball seems to be sisters where the traits are split in half.

              One sister will get the hotness but inherit the bitchyness. The other inherits the niceness but gets the ugly stick.

              Then there's the 180 where both gets the hotness but one gets the bitchyness. Rarely both girls get both good traits of the mother. Still a 30 crap shoot.

              If looking for LTR (grandparents style of 40 years of marriage) bank hard on the civility and quality. She may look like a truck at 40 but she'll also be submissive, nurturing, and won't have the hypergamy batshit crazy phase. Or at least it would be a mild batshit crazy phase.

              [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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              The time of the long lasting relationship is past, its the rare woman who stays, and its for benefits to their kids not love nor commitment.

              I married the homely but skinny sister, hypergamous behavior doesn't care about the package its in. I should have fucked the sister when I had the chance. They are both in their 30s now, the youngest has had shitty taste in men, mostly abusers and outright losers. They both have substance abuse issues, my ex abuses ADHD meds, her sister drinks and has been arrested for kicking a cop while wasted. The ex is with a controlling omega loser now, her second try at a relationship. Ours was nine years, her first, I popped her cherry, her first for everything. I get sick and it lasts for six months and she runs to the first loser who shows interest.

              AWALT hotness and upbringing do not matter. There is always a thirsty beta or omega who can look good to her if something happens to you. She has zero incentive to stay, and she can claim anything about you she wants, and she will be believed.

              The LTR that lasts like the WWII and even the boomers generations are gone, or at best exceedingly rare.

              [–]Greenspike25 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              controlling omega loser

              what do you mean by omega?

              [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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              The kid is desperate, he was chasing around a fat 36 year old with two kids until she got tired of his controlling behavior and sucking up to her kids. Any female who gives him attention suddenly has a stalker. He was home schooled and is incredibly socially inept/retarded, yet loudly proclaims to be the worlds best at everything, tells the experienced people how do do shit the wrong way, and is arrogant despite having never proven himself. He had some fake dog tags made, he has never served, neither has his father who has POW/MIA/ flags all over their yard. He is a hardcore wannabe.

              The really hilarious thing to me is how he has a hard on for MMA but has never worked out nor trained. He didn't get beat downs in school for being a douche, so he has no clue what its about. Still he fancies himself a 140 lb badass. What is funny is I am a 250 lb Kuwait/Iraq vet with training, experience, and muscle that left him shaking like a leaf and pissing himself the first time he saw me, and was utterly terrified every time since I've been near him. He runs to the cops when he is scared rather than dealing with shit himself.

              You see, my ex is a volunteer fire chief, he is on his daddys department, used to work as an EMT in our county but was fired for ineptitude. He is so utterly loathed by all the emergency responders in three counties, that when my ex brought him to her department all five of the competent members left. All of this has been reiterated to me through everyone who has worked with him, its not just my opinion. The mechanic who fixes all the firetrucks in the area said to keep him away from the equipment because he is constantly fuvking up the trucks in his daddys department, and has been reprimanded for sticking his nose in other departments.

              This kid, who is twenty years younger than me, seven younger than my ex, is not simply an omega, he is the high priest of thirsty useless wannabe omegas. She thought he was her soulmate, she cheated with him and I kicked her ass out. They are perfect for each other, both are losers. I was with her because she is homely but skinny, was a virgin, and I was tired of dealing with this bullshit. I thought she was ugly enough that nobody would want her. I didn't count on a loser like this though.

              When she can finally rid herself of this idiot, she will either be alone the rest of her life, or she will find desperate loser after desperate loser. Post wall and was so homely she was 21 when I popped her cherry in an area where thin girls lose it around 13 and fat girls around 15. Yeah I was using her, but I liked her personality, and she was intelligent but naïve. Life is teaching her a hard lesson this time, but she won't learn from it. They never do.

              [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              She may look like a truck at 40 but she'll also be submissive, nurturing, and won't have the hypergamy batshit crazy phase.

              Yep, if i had to choose between these the 2 girls, i would go with a blond. She is just an overall better person.

              [–]whoops_fap 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              Ive personally found that if the girl has a female aunt on her fathers side this is a way more reliable point of reference for how she will actually age/look. Just fyi.

              [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Yeah my second ex looks like her dads sister far more than her mothers. All my ex's sisters do as well. They have the six head thing going on, its not a forehead, you can show movies on them.

              [–]sniperhiding 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              Generally true. I do know an exception. Girl now mid 30s, unattractive. Still single. The mom now in her 60s isn't actually that bad. The girl got her ugly genes from her dad. Lots of guys I knew back then would never ask her out because she was a 3, 4 in her good days. She even tried really hard to look good, very fit, great tight outfits, great hair, effective makeup (just right amount), but she was still ugly. She was even a dateable likeable non slutty girl. But she got hit with the ugly genes. Lol. But your point is still solid.

              [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              Ok, exception, but you can always look at her Mom, (pointing your index finger, switching between the too of them, with a confused look on your face, frowning) and ask:

              • WHY ARE YOU SOOO UGLY, THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!???

              [–]sniperhiding 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              LMAO. Good point. Yeah its definitely an exception. You definitely need to look at the mom if you want rltr that girl. (rltr= REALLY long term relationship).

              [–]1iluminatiNYC 13 points14 points  (4 children)

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              Well, swap out entertainment industry types (for the most part) for Wall Street types, and you have the dating scene in Manhattan. I refuse to call that scene a New York City scene, because even as insane as it is to date here, they aren't on that Next Level crazy you're mentioning. Also, in NYC, they prefer the classics like coke to pills more than they do out West. Otherwise, to quote Li'l Wayne, same game, same coach, been starting...same triangle offense!

              [–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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              I heard NYC is great for guys. Your opinion?

              [–]HahahahaWaitWhat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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              Well, it's ridiculously easy to get laid here. So there's that. LTR material? Fucking forget it.

              [–]1iluminatiNYC 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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              NYC is more difficult but it's simpler. On one hand, you have to deal with the fact that a woman can reasonably access Wall Street types, captains of industry, celebrities of every type and kingpins with a relative amount of ease. Just being a regular guy with a job isn't going to cut it, unless you have massive social proof behind you.

              That said, if you have some sort of in to someone, you can leverage the hell out of it and ride it until the wheels fall off. Plus NYC has this culture where public life is a mixed bag while private life is segregated among the neighborhoods. If you can do well and play your connections well, you'll be golden.

              If I had to say it in one sentence, it's a high-risk, high-reward dating market. Dudes either clean up or get left on the sidelines.

              [–]whoops_fap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              Probably just because of volume, there are a ton of women there and the only ones who can afford to live there are more than likely attractive and supported by their parents and/or in college.

              [–]100Timeswww 19 points20 points  (16 children)

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              The build up to the end was great and everything was spot on. I lived in NY for a while and it was basically the same thing but add in some self-entitled hipster attitude to the mix.

              I'm moving to the south in a little bit myself and although I am hopeful I still don't expect much as it's still the god damn United States.

              [–]ButterMyBiscuit 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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              I'm from the South and leaving. Don't get your hopes up.

              [–]Asoka11111 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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              From the South and leaving for Cornell. Does this mean I don't win either way?

              [–]widec 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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              I hope you love terrible, 6 month long winters.

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              Hey, at least it's suicide cliff accessible.

              [–]1cover20 10 points11 points  (7 children)

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              Trouble with living anywhere but NYC and LA (not sure if any others need to be added to this list) is that all the hottest girls from anywhere else have moved to NYC and LA.

              It's like in France, all the great bodies leave the provinces and move to Paris. If you watched the Tour de France, at the end of every stage there were girls to kiss the prize winners after each day. They were pretty good looking but frankly a bit heavy after some of the stages. But on the final day in Paris, they were thin like pencils, and hot. Not 10's. In the upper range of 10.

              [–]2Red_August 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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              I can confirm the same hypergamy-migratory pattern in London. They flock from very far away lands with the hope of being captured by alphas. Often, if they don't play their cards right, the city spits them back out as they hit the wall...

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                [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                Charleston does have some hotties, the colleges play a part in that. North Charleston and north of King Street you have gangsta bitches, single moms, and hamplanets just like everywhere else. Market Street and a hot car is a good way to pick up college girls. Summerville and Goose Creek have a mix, but avoid the 'country' chicks, those bitches are nuts.

                [–]thepillwastaken 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                LOL..you may want to visit Miami.

                It's loaded with hot women. Really the entire south is.

                [–]Die-In-A-Fire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I don't think anyone thinks of Miami as included in "the south" but yes, Miami has a ton of hot women that I have no interest in being around!

                [–]ThePutana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Yea I can't comment for other cities, but having lived in Miami all my life, your comment is accurate

                [–]RedPillington 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                depends on where in the south.

                I'm in New York right now, and love it. admittedly, I only got here at the beginning of Summer, but there's enough of them that if any one woman is a bummer, you just move on to the next one.

                you should spend some time in Miami if you want to appreciate New York.

                [–]UofSins 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                I am from the NYC area and work in Manhattan, and I lived in Miami for a year. The type of women OP describes run rampant in both these places, maybe more-so in Manhattan. Just look on any dating website (especially OKcupid). Every girl wants some unique artsy/adventurous/Ryan Gosling-look-alike with a shit ton of money and great job when that shit in reality doesn't exist.

                [–]RedPillington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                i haven't spent a ton of time in manhattan (i'm in brooklyn), but i've gotten a similar vibe. what i will say though is that women aren't so violently classist here, or at least acknowledge that your choice to not dress like the one type of guy doesn't necessarily make you a piece of shit.

                also, miami may have less entitlement (despite that not being my experience), but the women there are in my experience completely identical and bring literally nothing to the table. it has seemed to me that the people i've encountered here can for the most part have an intelligent conversation.

                [–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I've lived in New York a few times, for short stints of work. I found it to be an excellent place to spin plates. Whenever I'd go out, even just getting from point A to B, there'd be some receptive chick. Loved it. Would be great if I end up working there again.

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                Now you have Toronto.

                Can confirm, guy from EU who was in Toronto whole summer, chicks are very entitled here.

                [–]thepillwastaken 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Yes, extremely accurate.

                Know a hot girl who moved to LA 10 years ago to do that exact shit. Came back as a failed actress with a drug habit who worked as a bartender continuing to party.

                Now in her mid 30s, she dates a guy who is around 55 or so and loaded.

                Whats funny is the guy looks like her Dad. I mean I thought it was her dad until I saw the relationship pics on FB.

                [–]Idle_Redditing 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                How many of the aspiring actors in LA would you say are real actors? People who are actually committed to acting and not just dumbasses hoping that their good looks will carry them to fame like they think it did for Brad Pitt, and hoping that they'll be able to avoid working while also getting rich.

                BTW Brad Pitt actually worked very hard at acting, had an incredible teacher, and hustled his ass off to work the system too. Even without the good looks he could have had a career similar to someone like Kevin Spacey.

                EDIT: It also took him a little under 10 years before he started becoming a household name. Before that he was working his ass off while being poor as fuck, both acting and working dayjobs to pay the bills with little chance of success. By that I mean just being able to make a living only working as an actor, not being a star.

                So, how many would you say are for real?

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                The thing is, making it big in any highly competitive industry requires honed skill and strategic networking. The problem is that these people (men and women) A) skip the first step which is honing the skill and then B) believe that networking means snorting coke off some producer's dick at The Standard.

                The delusion is so complete that if you talk to these girls they actually believe that they are getting ahead, that they are these high value stars, that they are stunting on their boring friends, and that they have figured out the lifehack. And they see these MADE stars (Jamie Foxx for instance) partying it up in the VIP and they think well, that's how its done. Iggy Azalea ain't helping either - every girl who thinks they have a nice instagram white girl ass thinks they will just magically blow up. In reality Iggy went and networked strategically with T.I. and showed him a lot of material, sold him on her, put in 2-3 years of work that didn't quite pan out despite having a rap mogul backing her, and then blew up. Talent, body, skill, networking, luck - line up those and you'll have a good shot.

                Unfortunately, 1 out of 100 of these girls will actually get an extra role, do some shitty commercial, and get some minor movie role. She fuels the hamsters and makes them believe that they too can count on "networking" their way up the ladder.

                I would say maybe 2% of the people who front like they are aspiring actors actually are actors who are working hard and pounding on their craft. And out of those people, only a % of them make it to actually becoming actors. I do not work in the movie industry, so this is purely from my own subjective experience.

                Ultimately it reminds me of the 50 Cent line "she say she an aspiring actress, you know how many times I done heard that shit?"

                [–]tony_douglas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                Iggy is a lot smarter than people will give her credit for being, and very down to earth too. When I saw her interviews I was floored.... she is a great act.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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                You couldn't be more right about hypergamous Torontonian women. Thanks to the prevalence of feminism here every 4-6 chick believes that she is entitled to a 9. If you're not a 6-foot+ Bay street baller you're not going to do very well.

                Toronto chicks are super frigid. To this date I have not found a city with women as cold as they are here, and I've been all over.

                [–]reddick1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                Thank god there are a lot of foreign girls here.

                When I traveled I was shocked when a girl actually looked at me in public and smiled.

                [–]1BaeCaughtMeJackinOff 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                I was born in Toronto and to be honest Ive never left, what cities would you recommend for dating?

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                Pretty much any city that's not a super-metro in the West. I've had the most fun in the Philippines and in Mexico. You should really just travel to get out there, you'd be surprised how the world works differently outside of our caged box.

                [–]tony_douglas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                True that man.

                Going to Brazil and interacting with girls there changed my life. TRP can zap you of your vitality because it seems hopeless, but its mainly the feminist extremely westernized liberal countries that have TRP issues. Religious countries that arent battleground... most of south america, southeast asia, i would have said eastern europe....but no longer lol. You can have a great time there if you are culturally literate and adventurous.

                [–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Now imagine these girls, except they aren't really hot and in lululemons during the day and miniskirts at night like in LA. They are fat, manly, marked up by pretentious tattoos, and have an aversion to proper grooming / make-up. Their sense of ego is massively inflated because there's an abundance of men and most of them are white knights. Now you have Toronto.

                My company offered to send 6 of us to Toronto for "training." 4 girls, a married dude, and me. I was too damn lazy to get my passport up to date, and didn't go.

                Sounds like I didn't miss much...

                [–]1critter_about_towne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                Thanks for reminding me why I never want to live in Toronto again.

                [–]CptDefB 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                Now you have Toronto.

                At my spot in the core, about to wake and bake, this killed me.

                Good ol' Tdot.

                [–]john-b 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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                Based on what I've heard from tom leykis, you & others, LA seems like the premier cesspit of moral degradation. It's like it's the central location where the latest fads, false trends and other BS starts and spreads throughout north america & the world.

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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                Yes, LA is bad. I do not think any city quite has the intensity of bitch-shields, drug use in clubs, hamster olympics, and gold-diggers who are damn proud of their occupation.

                But the street game at night - the clubs in line or hustling from club to club - is alone worth it. There's a reason all the PU dudes migrated to LA like its Mecca. The culture and attractiveness of the girls makes it a haven if you are an alpha or can at least act like one with conviction.

                [–]draketton 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                do the girls have nice bodies, or are they 5-7s tryharding it up with makeup and corsets and heels?

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                Skinny fat is definitely common, but some girls are that hot. I would say most girls bat 2 points above their average in LA. The "hot chick in LA" diet is basically starving in the day, energy drinks / coke, little snacks here and there, pizza and street food after 2AM, and the occasional chick-workout (that forearm gets exercise instagramming it).

                When you undress them, it's a total mystery box. You're excited as fuck, then the pushup bra comes off, then you see she has a little love handles and tummy. But you're thinking no biggie, damn that ass looks nice. Then you push in on her ass some and your hand just sorta cuts through, like it's a boob not a toned muscle.

                Half the time you get that. The other half of the time, she's actually the real deal and totally banging. Tight, toned muscle, sleek skin that has a nice lustre, no acne / sunspots / weird discoloration from fake tans. (When you take home a girl who got a fake tan and it's not quite set in and it gets on you and your white sheets, you will know true pain.)

                These girls who are as hot as they look almost always are pretty knowledgable about basic nutrition and hit the gym a lot - if you see her at the club and she has toned arms, that is an indicator that she has that fire body. Tits, body-contour, face, ass, height, they will all lie to you. Ultimately even the holy grail of chick-hotness, waist-hip ratio, can be smudged a little. But if she has taken the time to put some definition on her arms with weights and low bf%, she's quality. Most women put 3x as much effort and time into training their chick muscles (ass legs abs), so if she's done enough to have toned arms, you are in for a treat, she might even be a little higher than you initially thought.

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                Compared to the rest of the US average.. they do have nice bodies. A lot are just malnourished though due to their diet of cocaine and alcohol. And you'd be surprised what hair and makeup can do for 5-7 range.

                But what's great about LA is once you get good at flirting / closing the hot girls there, who are mean as snakes, it is pretty much easier anywhere else you go.

                [–]Schrodingersdawg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                GTA V is in a parody of LA. The fact that most of the smaller events and radio soundbites intended as satire seem perfectly capable of happening should say wonders.

                [–]frak_me_harder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Toronto sounds a lot like Austin, except its at the other end of the temperature scale.

                [–]whoops_fap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Do some more cities, I love this kinda shit!

                [–]lubeoil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Now imagine these girls, except they aren't really hot and in lululemons during the day and miniskirts at night like in LA. They are fat, manly, marked up by pretentious tattoos, and have an aversion to proper grooming / make-up. Their sense of ego is massively inflated because there's an abundance of men and most of them are white knights. Now you have Toronto.

                I totally got that vibe when I lived there. The amount of slutwalks and the fucking parading of homosexual culture is beyond delusional.

                [–]tylertgbh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                If you think the girls in Toronto are "fat, manly, marked up by pretentious tattoos, and have an aversion to proper grooming / make-up" then you're clearly hanging out in the wrong circles.

                "Their sense of ego is massively inflated"... Ya, I'll give you that, but this holds true for young women in just about any big North American city.

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                You're right, I'm exaggerating big time. Muzik and Lost and Found were two clubs I hit up while I was there (I did a summer internship there many years ago, so I hit up most of the major clubs and bars) and they had 9s and 10s. I usually call out dudes who bitch about quality of women in their city, so fair enough. Of course the best guys will use the situation to their advantage to corner the market and thrive in any city - and I fully admit at 20 I was not one of the "best guys".

                But I will say, virtually all cities I've been to in NA with a few universities and the same # of young people, seemed to be less feminist, more in shape and made up, and less stuck up. I will just say I am not at all surprised to see this man's gripe coming from Toronto of all places.

                [–]reddick1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                They're not all fat but you are spot on about the rest. Coming from a Toronto native.

                [–]yummyluckycharms 39 points40 points  (19 children)

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                Please dont be about toronto, please dont be about toronto, please dont be about toronto....doh!

                Yeah - toronto is legendary for the frigidity of its women - I live there and can definitely attest to how hard it is there vs places such as New york (which was like shooting fish in a barrel). Best thing you can do is just dont invest in relationships at all, next them for the slightest infraction, and spin plates big time.

                Ultimately, most men leave the city as evidenced by the census....

                [–]1iluminatiNYC 15 points16 points  (17 children)

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                WTF is going on with Toronto? Is there anything about the culture there that draws that crowd to that town? The next person who says anything positive about the women there will be the first. I want someone to break this down to me. I get that it's a cosmopolitan city a la New York or LA, but what is it that puts the women there on a special kind of evil?

                [–]yummyluckycharms 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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                The crux of the issue is that there is a virulent strain of militant feminism in toronto, which teaches women in Toronto to see men as the enemy. This has becoming endemic in government, corporate HR, educational systems, etc to the point where men are very much second class citizens in the city.

                Complicating the issue are many factors that one would see in major urban centres - extreme hypergamy, everyone trying to live the sex and the city lifestyle, but with the unique twist of Torontonian culture that encourages people to stay within their own cliques and not to talk to strangers.

                Its been talked about before, but there is a reason why PUA was born in Toronto despite its small pop.

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                FWIW, Toronto is by no stretch a small city. IIRC, Toronto and Chicago have the same amount of people within city limits, and the metro is the same population as Houston's metro. Still, I think the cliques sounds like a big deal. New York has that to a certain extent, but not as extreme as you make it sound.

                That said, I could see how that would turn women bad. If you're a big fish in a small pond, despite being in a large city, that would jack up someone's mind.

                [–]yummyluckycharms 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                Cliques in toronto operate a bit differently. Toronto is a city couched in fear - fear of men, fear of strangers, fear of minorities, hell, sometimes, I think people are afraid of their own shadows sometimes. Consequently, this means people stick to their own group and its really hard to join another group.

                So women will only socialilze with people they went to school with (and maybe work with), minorities will stay to their own communities, and strangers will never talk to each other on mass transit. Eye contact with strangers is taboo, especially with men, and I've actually seen guys get talked to cops because they were checking out a woman when she walked by and she complained to a cop that was close by.

                Hypergamy does allow a male of sufficient game to cross those boundaries and sample women of every colour and creed, but as stated before, it is so much easier to do so in most other major cities.

                [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                So OK, I get it. Toronto is a very cliquey place in general, and if you're on the outside looking in, you have to be SuperPlayer(tm) to win. I get it. Sounds like a warped place to live.

                [–]1BaeCaughtMeJackinOff 24 points25 points  (10 children)

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                http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men

                Toronto has been ranked the worst dating city for guys.

                The girls here are stone cold, and when you go to clubs the guys here are so thirsty that they fight over 5 and 4s. Its a sad state of affairs.

                I grew up here, but I hear from friends that girls from Montreal are a night and day difference.

                Im thinking about moving away. Cant deal with these cold hearted "I dont need no man" bitches anymore.

                Edit: this might explain why Torontos prostitution industry is booming. You know its bad here when guys en masse are resorting to paying for pussy.

                [–]tremondo 1 point2 points  (9 children)

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                a pal of mine ( and maybe me to some point) are considering moving to Montreal (me toronto if i decide), could you please elaborate in your experience and opinion the major difference (Montreal vs toronto) ? would help, as from what was written in this thread about toronto this would be heavily similar to london girls and I wouldnt want to exchange one problem for another!

                [–]yummyluckycharms 14 points15 points  (7 children)

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                Montreal and Toronto are very different.

                Pro for Montreal

                1) Women aren't afraid of men and arent taught that men are rapists

                2) Culture is more welcoming and less standoffish - people dont see strangers wanting to talk to you as an excuse to reach for pepper spray

                3) Healthier lifestyles with an emphasis on enjoying life more

                4) Cheaper cost of living, better transit, etc

                Cons:

                1) The need to speak french, especially if you want to work in a company and wish to get promoted

                2) Discrimination against anglophones is rampant - language police actually go around and fine stores for showing english (despite it being an official language)

                3) political instability

                [–]2Red_August 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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                It is indeed Quebec's cultural barrier and stubborn refusal to toe the line that has shielded it from that harsh North-Anglo-American brand of feminism. The girls will look at you in the eyes and try to genuinely engage.

                But don't get your hopes up too high if you seek the traditional type. Quebec (Montreal) women are by very far the most liberated lot on the entire continent (lowest birth rate, etc.). They just don't have that nail-on-the-chalkboard stridency of their continental sisters. They have not completely eliminated femininity because they still rightfully recognise it as an instrument of their own power. An artefact from the French? The Independent WomanTM is very much alive and well however.

                The Hambeast Index is comparatively low for North America. The Slut Index is conversely very high.

                The meteoric transformation of its women from extremely conservative catholic roots did come with the sacrifice of its men - now unfortunately mostly mere beta shells of their former selves but herein lies a great opportunity and cheap destination for the alpha tourist.

                Only go there in the Summer and do make a genuine effort to speak French and engage culturally. Abandon any frat-boy loud crudeness as they'll shoot you down immediately.

                [–]baconOclock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Very accurate all around description.

                [–]thredditsowaway 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                Can I ask what your experience is with Quebec girls? I've personally found their Slut Index low, though the rest is spot on.

                Edit: I mean to say, how long were you there? Where did you meet them? How old are you?

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                  I have limited experience with Montrealers but plenty of experience with other Quebec women, maybe it's a bit different in the smaller cities. Last time I was there was in my Blue Pill days and I never even tried to pick up... they honestly "appear" less slutty on first meeting, that's why I had that impression. But maybe I'm just judging the book by its cover.

                  [–]tremondo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  takes out my old french textbooks

                  that sounds awesome! especially pro point 2. I used to live in china and point 2 existed there as well, which was such a nice breath of fresh air compared to London. Coupled with the fact that in about 10 years time no one who isnt a millionaire wont be able to live within reach of the city due to the high rental costs (about 400 quid a week for a simple 1-2 bedroom flat and thats mediocre at best) I am seriously considering moving, just gotta reclaim my Canadian passport once more.

                  cheers!

                  ninja edit: what political instability?

                  [–]CptDefB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  It's Quebec.

                  There's a relatively quiet political party that still has the intention to separate Quebec from the rest of Canada. Why, I don't know. They had a referendum about it a while back (90s, I think), and people voted to stay a part of the country.

                  edit: I will second all the reasons to learn Francais and go there. I've heard excellent things about Francophone girls. I've also heard excellent things about Quebec night life in general. Stories from my past feature meeting people from say, Ottawa, who hopped over into Quebec to party on a regular basis.

                  [–]7ravicus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I live in Ottawa and drive to Toronto / Montreal every couple weekends to go out. I'd recommend Montreal in every way, unless the french or the distance from the States is too far (although it really isn't). And really the french isn't even a thing, its like 50% english, you just need to put up with their attitude towards anglophones.

                  [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                  Feminism is highly entrenched here. Proclaiming you're a pussified beta white-knight is practically patriotic. The women in turn have compensated by being aggressive, uncaring, unfeminine harpies.

                  I've been to both LA and New York. More posh, girls there have more stars in their eyes, but they're still far more receptive than completely average women here.

                  Toronto is basically a hypergamous woman's wet dream. A lot of average dudes have no chance here.

                  [–]thredditsowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I'm no resident but I am familiar with the people... there are pockets of radical feminism not dissimilar to the shit you find in Sweden and the like. Yet, the general social climate is fairly materialistic and capitalistic due to it being a major financial centre. It's like a secret government lab that grows entitlement mentality for military use.

                  Love the city, but would not move there as long as I'm trying to get laid.

                  [–]1redpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Makes sense that the horrific feminist protest against Warren Farrell's talk hosted by the Canadian Association For Equality happened at the University of Toronto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

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                  I went to a college that was full of these types of girls. One time I was at a school event and this small-town suburbanite girl was talking about her amateur-quality illustrations. I realized she was talking a lot so I decided to time how long she could talk to me about herself without actually stopping to ask me any questions.

                  She went on for over fifteen minutes talking about herself, her plans, her background, and how successful she planned on being. I just stood there nodding with a half-smile on my face.

                  After the conversation ran its course she left to go find her next victim. Later that night I caught her repeating the same information to someone else.

                  I actually grew up in the city and can spot these girls from having a casual conversation. For them, being in a big city for college is some magical adventure their parents are paying for, a drama where they're the star.

                  For us city-folk, going to college is just a commute. The difference in attitude between a girl obviously raised nearby and one who was living out an all-expenses paid college vacation, it was like they were different species.

                  Surprisingly, girls (and guys) who were studying abroad were WAY more humble, interesting and down to earth than any of the small-town american girls. And I mean girls from Europe, Asia, South America, etc. All over.

                  [–]midnightny 18 points19 points  (4 children)

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                  I agree. Being a NYC native as well, i experience a big number of middle american girls coming to the "big city" and trying to emulate what they perceive a NY'er should be: Bold, poised, educated, sophisticated, refined, confident etc. What it actually translates to is a a wannabe social climber. The bold translates to offensive, educated translates to quasi-intellect, sophistication is something they read in a magazine this week, confidence translates into arrogance. The moral of the story is be yourself not Carrie Bradshaw otherwise you will be put in your place promptly. I find i am constantly having to keep people's ego or facade in check. It's incredible.

                  I found most Non-American girls are a breath of fresh air and a welcome change from the self-serving American women who don't even recognize your existence as a human being unless you...........have something for her!

                  [–]username1153 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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                  Yes, living in long island, that is the kind of girls you encounter. Their dream is to live in the city and live this fantasy lifestyle. Go on their Instagram and I guarantee you they will have posted a picture of a quote saying: " He asked what my favorite position is, I said CEO" and they have all their dumb wannabe friends commenting, "Damn right girl." Yea, ok.

                  [–]midnightny 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                  I dont even know what the fuck instagram is about. I'm quite sure it fuels an already existing myth of self-importance. As a male i'll say that probably just as much to blame are the dumb men who entertain the nonsense. I've found myself getting equally as angry at the males who enable this ego-stroking. Does Red Pill have a name for these men?

                  [–]username1153 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                  To be honest when it first started a couple of years ago it was about putting cool, creative pictures. I like art so I gave it a try. Eventually it became a place to show off your new toys, your new body, your new vacation, your breakfast, dinner, etc. I probably have about 10 pictures because once it became about more than photography I stopped posting. Now all I have is friends who request me. There are some cool accounts like my favorite soccer team accounts, hooked up car accounts, and in general accounts with nice pictures. But yea it is filled with girls who think they are models and want to paint a picture showing how cool they are. I either unfollow them, or purposely never comment or like their pictures because fuck them, I won't give them my validation.

                  [–]midnightny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Excellent. Even though i stated in a previous post that i put people in their place, the best course of action is no action. Refusing to acknowledge or refusing to react to someones presence is the least draining to do and usually forces the woman to direct her judgement inward and allows her to become self-aware without any negativity.
                  Men should not underestimate the power of inaction and nothingness.

                  [–]100Timeswww 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                  She went on for over fifteen minutes talking about herself, her plans, her background, and how successful she planned on being. I just stood there nodding with a half-smile on my face.

                  Lol I'd hope now you would just act like you didn't give a fuck what she was saying and make it clear that she should be listening to you. It's not too hard to do with a mug face whilst periodically looking elsewhere.

                  [–]RedPillington 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  you never play party games?

                  [–]1iluminatiNYC 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  Being a NYC native, I get the feeling. I didn't go to school in town, but on breaks, I would come across this type of girl. My hometown isn't your theme park, idiot. LOL

                  [–]CanuckMan95 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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                  I saw a tweet from a female friend of mine that went along the lines of:

                  "Who is this guy flirting with me? You know I could have you arrested if I wanted"

                  Absolutely disgusted me, I'm from Toronto too

                  [–]sheriffbigbywolf 20 points21 points  (6 children)

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                  Multiply this by ten, add twenty pounds of body fat and a few shitty tattoos, and this describes San Francisco women to a T.

                  [–]SeekingAlpha 9 points10 points  (5 children)

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                  Soooooo many tattoos!!! Have they seen what two arms of tattoos looks like on a post-wall woman!? Gag.

                  [–]dicklord_airplane 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                  for real. all these girls who regularly smoke, drink, and get tattoos are going to be hideous when they grow up. i feel sorry for them.

                  if anyone's thinking about a career path to follow, I'd say that tattoo removal and other body mod repairs are going to be great rackets over the next few decades. i hear that repairing gauged earlobes is well-paying because it's difficult and requires a high degree of expertise.

                  [–]McMurphyCrazy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                  I think the worst will be the chest tattoo chicks. So fucking gross.

                  [–]back_in_towns 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                  I'm surprised to see San Francisco so far down on this list! I've found the women to be almost as bad as Toronto sounds, although they are definitely fatter and more drunk out here.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorRS73 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  I'm glad to see SF getting the "credit" it deserves for this. While in the SF Bay Area I've talked to attractive well-put-together women from other places (Florida, for example) and they were saying "What the fuck is up with these people here? Who do they think they are?" All I could do was laugh and tell them I don't really know.

                  They were reacting to Bay Area women who dress like shit, look like shit, act like shit, and yet have an enormous sense of entitlement and are selfish, rude, and arrogant as hell. It's bizarre.

                  This kind of thing has infected women to varying degrees all over the US, Canada, and parts of Europe but some areas are worse than others and the SF Bay Area, California generally, the American northwest, and by all accounts Toronto are some of the worst.

                  [–]sheriffbigbywolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  It's because 66.6% of San Francisco is male. Vast majority affluent. Many many rich betas from the tech industry who will worship the ground they walk on. You've never seen thirst like it exists in S.F. Women move there from other parts of CA to be professional carousel riders, well into their thirties. We have a different name for them back home (I'm from Nor Cal originally): we call them Wendys, because they go to Never Never Land to get fucked by as many of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys as they please, until they move on to the "real world" (IE, find a rich tech loser to settle down with them after they have herpes from consuming 100+ dicks).

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                  I often hear in the Toronto news papers and tv stations their talk about being a "World Class City" but the only thing "World Class" there is the cuntishness of the women.

                  This dude is 106% correct.

                  [–]backfor 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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                  Most girls/women (all people, but since the topic is about females) would be much better people if they didn't watch shitty television and use their own brains to develop thoughts.

                  [–]farbenwvnder 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                  I think social media like facebook, Instagram, .. are worse offenders than Television in every aspect. Every girl has to take pictures of her food and expensive brand clothing, put on filters and upload to instagram because she thinks the world cares since that other chick who did it has 100.000 followers.

                  I thought instagram was for celebrities and well known people in general to share their lifestyle but it turns out every other chick has one with 5 followers who are her best friends

                  [–]McMurphyCrazy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                  The narcissism of any above average looking american female in this day and age of social media would wow cult leaders from 20 years ago

                  [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  I agree 100%, and have posted about this in the past. Social media has created a competition to see who can live the best life.

                  http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/907057

                  [–]whitey_male 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  In Sydney from 18_30 it's like reverse hypergamy. Being a hot shot is detrimental. Far better off being a rock ape. Then they expect a Mr Big beta bux shower at 30 and it rarely happens for them. What rich guy would want to pay up after they've given the best years of their life away to apes? Very conceited people.

                  [–]tony_douglas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  THIS IS SPOT ON. As someone born and raised in a wealthy area of NY where almost every girl from my hometown now lives in NYC on a salary of 45k or less.. its fucking golden. Girls I know who got hired purely for their attractiveness to good companies are among the worst offenders, constantly hamstering away for prince charming while giving it up to some of the most sociopathic business guys one earth. Our generation is so fucked by the media.

                  [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Pretty much sums up a lot of city girls, especially the ones in college/university.

                  [–]HeadingRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  "I want to pretend to be progressive and political even though I don't have the slightest clue on any world issue."

                  I meet women who say "I'm very conservative" "I'm a big democrat".

                  And they can seldom tell you what's going on in the world now, let alone last week. I've been told we fought the French in WWII, and Israel has been around for 100's of years. I've heard "I hate the news, it boring"

                  [–]TheCastle 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                  A lot of this stuff is to heavy handed and assumes too much for it to be true. HOWEVER, the general sentimentality is pretty true. One observation I have had about growing up just outside of New York city is that, well there are no girls above 5 on the outside of the city. Unless its a strip club, your odds of seeing any girl above a 5 is low as hell.

                  The city vacuums up all of the girls! Its fucking true! I dont know exactly why, I dont know all of the details to what causes this but I will say it right now. Its too hard not to see this even to this day. Women actually out number men in New York city. One night hanging out there and you will see more women then men most of the time. Pretty, ugly, smart, stupid. The whole fucking range. Right on the outskirts of the city? Nothing, not a girl above 5. Not even a decent night club scene either, because night clubs need women to survive.

                  So I dont agree with everything the Op has to say to be true about every girl but holy shit its hard not to see the city vacuum effect.

                  [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Right outside Manhattan is probably the worse nightlife. Ironically, if you go out to the hinterlands, you get the crowd too lazy to make the trip into Manhattan. And in Manhattan, welp! Heck, even if you just want to kick it, it's $100 to get started after covers and drinks.

                  [–]TheCastle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  This is my observation too. My tactic is to figure out how to get really good at flasking and parking so I can kick in in Manhattan all the time on the cheap.

                  Its amazing what having a big city like New York does to the surrounding area. I guess due to the increase in successful males and females alike it attracts everyone to the same area. So any girls of value are pretty much swept up either by a successful man or they are ambitious and find work there. Either way, the male to female ratio means the girls have created a place where males have a lot more power. On top of that the females are more likely to be successful so they have zero reason pick a mate either. This creates a giant fuck you literally rift that seems to play out like a spinning meat market. Doom generations style, I like it a lot!

                  The city changes everything on a social level.

                  [–]2asd1100 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  who cares? if your not a idiot you can cycle trough 4-5 of her kind before you reach 40. You still win if you're not dumb.

                  You should realise times have changed, all we can do is make the best of it. If you still life in the past and have ridiculous expectations regarding relationships, you will pay for your naivete.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                  What's the point of all this? It's nothing but a rant, how does thinking about that shit improve your quality of life?

                  [–]farbenwvnder 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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                  how does thinking about that shit improve your quality of life?

                  If that's the standard we want to keep up in this sub, we'd have to remove 9 out of 10 submissions

                  [–]TheCastle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Its not the most high quality data set either. It is worth noting that people behave differently in higher population areas though. but the standard of the OP is pretty low in terms of actual information.

                  [–]thereisnosuch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  yo toronto pick up artist -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDid1z747I