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[–]Mechbiscuit 124 points125 points  (31 children)

One of the reasons TRP and feminism butt heads so badly is because feminists believe that all sexism stems from gender roles. That's not something that I necessarily disagree with but it depends your on attitude toward gender roles that makes that statement offensive or not.

What I do disagree with is the feminist belief that gender roles have been created by society and that men and women are "equal" and their roles are actually interchangeable. In the age of political correctness, I cannot say without criticism that "men are better leaders" and are "biologically hard wired to be that way", something I believe wholeheartedly. I'm not saying women can't lead or that women shouldn't lead, I'm just saying that men are just better at it.

The door goes both ways, however. Women are hard wired to be better listeners and better communicators. Again, not to say that men are incapable of listening or communicating properly, women are simply better at it AGAIN for biological reasons.

What we have now is a culture that promotes "sameism" under the guise of "equality". Men SHOULD be allowed to show emotion, they SHOULD be allowed to be stay at home dads and hey, a man with tits SHOULD be just as valuable as a mate as a man who works hard to get the abbs he wants.

But none of this is the case for one simple reason which is our sole reason for existing to begin with: Our brains are built biologically to further the species. End of.

In 2014 we think of ourselves as post modern and that it really doesn't matter anymore. We are enlightened. It is now a choice whether you want to pro-create regardless of bare aching desire to have sex. Porn has short-wired our brains and fooled us into thinking that we don't need a mate. Social networking and hookup apps have eliminated our need for courtship. In a way, perhaps we have evolved past out primary biological purpose. Even marriage, an institution based solely on preservation of the family unit to raise children has become selfish and corrupted beyond repair.

Where does that leave us as men? I'll tell you. Since we're not here to pro-create, provide or protect any more we still have one thing left which can fulfil us as a deeper level.

Do you know what that is?

Desire. Women will always need to be desired. That's our hook. At a deeper level for us as men, we need to be affirmed. Those 2 things can go hand in hand, albeit for a night.

I discovered that one of the most painful things a women can do when you're talking to her is to remove her affirmation simply by walking away.

[–]2trway14 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Desire is indeed the missing link to the feminist story. On a purely rational, or even ethical/moral plane, the story is fine - we can all be equal and abolish roles. Such a society is theoretically possible and on some level of understanding, even noble.

But most women themselves will admit that they need to look up to a guy a little bit, or they can't see themselves with him. She will only feel the tingles if he is slightly older, taller, more confident, more experienced; he has to take the initiative a little more, and so forth. The traditional roles facilitate such matchmaking and thus maximize happiness.

A society without the roles is possible, but people would be less happy. Just try to remove the lead/follow roles in partner dancing (or switch up in a 50/50 roulation) and see how women like it.

The typical feminist is destructive because she completely glosses over this question, even though people's happiness is at stake. In her solipsism she simply looks at her personal life and extrapolates from there: if I had status like those men, I would be happier becomes if we women had status like those men, we would be happier. Unfortunately a vital nuance is lost in that extrapolation: she assumes that in her personal life, the presence of attractive men is a given. They are here now, and she doesn't really consciously understand why she finds them attractive anyway, so she doesn't even consider that maybe changing the status balance will have an effect on that. Just like changing the status balance won't make grass turn blue - in her mind the two things are completely unrelated. Because she doesn't understand hypergamy. All she knows is that "the chemistry is there", or not. Then the assumption that there will always be attractive men is extrapolated to the whole female population, without considering the statistical ramifications.

All this solipsism is not surprising for a movement with the slogan "the personal is political". There is a clear failure of feminists to move beyond that personal perspective to the bigger picture, to the system, the entire dance. So they implement their equality system under the assumption that there is no innate hypergamy in women. Then when men and women are equal, suddenly there is a huge shortage of eligible men. Gee, how did that happen? Could it have anything to do with the fact that a woman only considers a man "eligible" if he is at least equal, but preferably higher in status than her? If you had gone beyond the personal picture and done some basic statistics, you would have seen that coming.

[–]ErrandAlchemist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I imagine we could make less deterministic gender roles for men and women, but roles are a necessary part of social interaction. They are as much part of the fabric of reality as grammar.

[–]52576078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very interesting comment. I'd encourage you to expand it into a full post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Nice Post.

I've never heard "the personal is political" before but that seems like the most fascist slogan ever.

[–]MagnanimousGenius 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Look up Erin Pizzey, she talks about feminists making the personal political

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Just did, thanks. She talks about women who used radical personal experiences and applied them to the population as a whole for the sake of political rhetoric ex. "My father was abusive, therefore all men are abusive."

I interpreted it as: Use political power ( state sanctioned violence and the threat of it ) to control the personal lives of others.

[–]MagnanimousGenius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad you appreciated it. People like her keep me hopeful that others can see above feminism.

Edit: Orothography, changed a word

[–]Lakey91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it comes just below 'Ignorance is Strength'.

Hence 'Strong Independent Women'.

[–]RobertCarraway -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Hey man, don't go comparing that shit to fascism. What did fascists ever do to you?

[–]Lakey91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fascism and communism are two retarded twin brothers who think it's possible to create perfect men and when their plan to breed/indoctrinate ubermensch fails they blame the men and decide they need to use more force.

[–]thecollegeplayer.netBostonsboy306 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The thing is that when you bring up the fundamental truth about men and women's natural roles, they just write it off as "biotruths". Top Ivy League professors could write essays proving the existence of these roles and they would just write them off as being misogynists.

What I've begun doing is not really bothering with it anymore. I don't post here much anymore even though I did quite a bit last year. I've learned all that I need to, and shared my own experiences with others. I still read very often though.

Basically what I'm saying is that once you reach a certain point, this stuff doesn't really affect you anymore. I know the truth. I've currently slung more pipe this semester than I did all last year. It just works. I know 2+2=4 because I've seen it, and seeing is believing. All the people screaming 2+2=5 don't even make me double take anymore.

We get laid. White knights don't. I've played basketball long enough to know to appropriate time to simply say: scoreboard

[–]bluedrygrass 49 points50 points  (5 children)

I'd say men are better listener and communicators too. In general, women don't listen, they wait their turn to unleash an avalanche of words. It's annoying how often they repeat the same things they have already said a couple minutes before, they never get to the point or produce anything speaking.

The best politicians, bosses, and leaders in history have always been males. The best speaks to the nations, the armies, anything have been written and spoken with great charisma, deepness and emphaty by male leaders and intellectuals.

[–]skoobled 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Women are sympathetic, men are empathetic. Women call men "bad listeners" because we don't communicate without purpose. Women talk for the sake of it. Men don't accuse women the same way because we also enjoy sympathy, although it does nothing to solve a problem, which is usually the male prerogative

[–]copralalic 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They sometimes seem to repeat themselves because they are using Powertalk.

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/11/11/the-gervais-principle-ii-posturetalk-powertalk-babytalk-and-gametalk/

[–]Derzu_Uzala 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Feminism uses a "male ruler" to measure women. Male only values are seen as universal values applicable to women also.

[–]real-boethius 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Our brains are built biologically to further the species. End of.

This may be a subtle or pedantic point but our brains are not built to further the species. They are built to ensure the propagation of the genes involved.

What you are saying is the common fallacy (usually) of group selection. While group selection can occur, it is difficult because of prisoners dilemmas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection

[–]through_a_ways 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What we have now is a culture that promotes "sameism" under the guise of "equality".

Yup.

Men SHOULD be allowed to show emotion

I've heard feminists say this.

they SHOULD be allowed to be stay at home dads

This too

and hey, a man with tits SHOULD be just as valuable as a mate as a man who works hard to get the abbs he wants.

I've never heard this said. This is logically consistent with the rest, but not consistent in the framework of maximizing female advantage, which is what feminism aims to do.

Women are the mate choosers, so any sort of "equality" applied to mate choice would be disadvantagous for women. (They love equality when it's about money though, since money is ruled by men, while romance/dating is ruled by women)

The way feminists get around this is by saying that dating/romance/sex are "human" and not "valuable". It is a way of dismissing the problem as a non-problem, since by this definition, a beta-male who never gets sex/dates is no less valuable than an alpha; thus, there's no inequality, because there's no difference in value.

It does lead to some interesting contradictions in the feminist demand for free/insurance-covered birth control though, but this is a much less obvious contradiction, since it's one degree removed.

[–]mega_beta 8 points9 points  (2 children)

In the future I expect to see more women out raking leaves, paying for dinners, digging holes, repairing houses, etc. I would have no problem with this. Less work for me. There's nothing alpha about doing any of that. Alpha is making the woman do it.

[–]1Dev_on 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah, robots will be doing all of that soon. you're better off waiting for guys to pick up needlepoint to kill all the spare time we're going to have

[–]hurkdurkler 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am probably missing the point, but in my experience, without a man, they just hire out, do half-ass job themselves, or do without and complain about how they are too busy. The work is done to a lower standard, but most either can't tell a good job from a crap job, or hamster it away.

I actually think there is something alpha about guys who can build things and fix them, But like Patrice said, they are dating/marrying our time, so to be alpha we have to get what we are owed for it.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points  (2 children)

a man with tits SHOULD be just as valuable as a mate as a man who works hard to get the abbs he wants.

Feminist never say this, because although it is logically consistent with the other sentiments, it is not consistent within a framework that seeks to maximize female benefit (which is what feminism is)

They get around this by pretending that relationships and sex are activities that cannot be described by value. Money and marketing and modeling are all directly tied to value, but relationships are further removed.

Romance and dating is ruled by women. Money is ruled by men. Thus, it is beneficial to complain about low female wages, but not about low male accessibility to romance/sex.

This does lead to some interesting contradictions when you consider the feminist push for free/insured birth control (Other people should pay for my right to have sex), but that contradiction is less obvious due to being further removed from the issue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't have a problem with the sponsored birth control, it's not other people paying for your right to have sex, its other people paying you not to have a crotch spawn you can't afford that we will all have to pay for. People will have sex regardless of birth control.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't have a problem with the sponsored birth control, it's not other people paying for your right to have sex, its other people paying you not to have a crotch spawn you can't afford that we will all have to pay for.

No it isn't.

1) The debate is framed as a "rights issue", not a public benefit one. Regardless of the net effect, the hypocritical entitlement attitude is unquestionable.

2) Your comment implies that there is a reason we should have to pay for extra children born to irresponsible parents in the first place. If you're okay with changing the laws to force people to do things, why not just reduce welfare-per-head for a family after each successive offspring? That would reduce the incentive to have kids, and save even more money.

3) Do you really think that the type of woman who would have to go on welfare in order to raise her children would generally be the type to take her birth control everyday without fail?

[–]pl231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always hear the women superior communication thing being thrown around , but honestly I think they're terrible communicators. I feel like people just give them the communication point so they don't seemed biased to men.

Ever heard a woman tell a story ? They use 50 pronouns where after 3 different characters have been introduced you have no idea who is doing what. I think because woman tend to vocalize their emotions more, people somehow equate that as better communication. Not sure how though, since a ton of their "communication " is whining, which I don't really feel is good communication.

Not to mention that leadership is all about effective communication so I don't really see how men could excel at leadership if they were such poor communicators. We're not, I just don't choose to bitch about every little feeling I have.

[–]lispychicken 42 points43 points  (86 children)

I have a very good female friend of mine who is a Red Pill type of girl. Her response to the "nice guys" is that they're too easy to be had, too much of a walkover, too much of a yes man without a mind of their own. She said she knows her place at home and that it's after her husband. she said she loves having her man have his own mind, not always agree just because he's a beta/subservient to the pussy.. and she doesn't want someone she can rule over.. in her words "I want a man, like my father is and my grandfather was. Don't give me a skinny jeans wearing boy, and if he's wearing flannel, he better be outside chopping wood, not in a coffee shop"

[–]Red_King_Rising 33 points34 points  (35 children)

Who cares what she wants. That's still the problem. You'll see betas going to chop wood cause a bitch said so. You can't be the man Se wants by doing the things she says she wants.

[–]NGGYU_NGLYD_NGRAADY 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It's possible for a girl to not only be in tune with what she wants but also what she responds to.
Most women respond well to the alpha male. A girl acknowledging that she does, rather than denying it, is a good thing.

[–]lispychicken 9 points10 points  (25 children)

You missed the point: She saying that if her man is wearing flannel, he's probably doing something that warrants the use of it instead of wearing it to be hipstery in a coffee shop. Or maybe I worded it wrong? She knows her place at home and prefers to be the wife/woman/mother.. and leave the head of household to her man. She's really a good egg! Now she's been getting in much better shape and informing her fat hen coworkers about their woes and horrible personal lives being tied into their outward appearance. She's on our side.

[–]Red_King_Rising -2 points-1 points  (24 children)

Yah and you missed mine. I don't care what she says period. Or who side she's on or what she wants. But betas do. Betas will do whatever they think will work.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Women's words are worth less not worthless.

You filter the trite from the actual gems. About 95% of what they say is bullshit. The other 5% is gold. Women often seem dumb as shit but the more intelligent ones have keen social insights. What she said seems reasonable. You're not beta because you believe a woman is consciously in tune with her preferences, which although rare, is not impossible. In fact if you get caught up on calling specific things beta and specific things alpha, you're probably too fucking concerned on what label you fall under yourself by being hyper conscious of the shit. That in and of itself is a sign of insecurity, a sign of a man who is unsure of his position so tries to quantify everybody else's so that he may work out his own by comparison.

[–]jobs33ker 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The other 5% is gold.

Yes, but usually when I hear "gold" come out of a woman's mouth it's something they revealed without being aware of it, thus their is no credit due to them for making such a revelation.

When a woman is speaking and wants to be taken literally and/or seriously I would say everything she says is suspect.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I completely agree with what you're saying.

[–]organist -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

95% of what she says is shit, and you think a good use of your time is filtering for that 5%?

Fuck that.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your interpretation of what the word filter entails is clearly not the same as mine. For me filtering is a passive process, I filter things people say and put them into different levels of likelihood anyway, by default. I can do that while going about my life, it's not something I have to concentrate on in solace. If it's a conscious effort exerting process for you which would monopolise precious time that could otherwise be spent reading, lifting or earning money, then yes, you're better off just assuming everything women say is horse shit (even though it isn't) and being on your way.

For the rest of us, those who can filter shit passively on the fly, it's not a big deal. If you are smart, sharp and on top of your shit, you will pick up on the nuggets of wisdom they inadvertently drop as and when they occur.

Of course I realise not everyone is smart, sharp, and on top of their shit - and they would need to literally sit there thinking over every last little thing she said, manually filtering the trite from the wisdom. Fuck that shit.

[–]paynehouse 12 points13 points  (6 children)

So alpha males can't care at all about what a woman is saying? Like, not even a little? Dude, get a grip. Not all women are fucking morons. This woman seems decent enough to at least listen to her.

But betas do. Betas will do whatever they think will work.

Yeah, and an alpha will value a woman's opinion if he wants to value it. On the other hand, a beta masquerading as an alpha will do anything to devalue a woman.

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    [–]paynehouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My argument is that women can contribute things to society and we shouldn't disregard everything they say just because they are women. There are intelligent women on this planet. Whether or not they are kaniving is another issue entirely.

    [–]Red_King_Rising -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

    |So alpha males can't care at all about what a woman is saying? Like, not even a little? Dude, get a grip. Not all women are fucking morons. This woman seems decent enough to at least listen to her.

    Woman, man. Doesn't matter. Decent. Doesn't matter. What matters is this, are you getting what you want. That's what matters. Most people are fucking morons. Even decent people may not have your best interests and well being in mind. Even if their ideas seem to match up with yours, you cannot give it more weight than your own ideas. People have to prove themselves to you. You can't give it away. You'll see, live long enough.

    [–]paynehouse 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Thanks for the lecture, man. Although you're contradicting yourself: your words,

    I don't care what she says period.

    This is implying that you inherently don't care what she has to say. While,

    Even if their ideas seem to match up with yours, you cannot give it more weight than your own ideas. People have to prove themselves to you. You can't give it away.

    this is saying that you need to listen to what someone is saying and make a judgement call. I agree with the second quotation, not the first.

    [–]Red_King_Rising 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Okay. I seen grown men change their entire style, activities and prefrences for what a woman says she wants. I've seen men get killed trying to live up to some woman's ideal. You cannot care. You can listen and judge. But you can't care. Those are different activities. I'm listening and judging what you said, but I will not care enough to let it effect my behavior or beliefs. But I like the fact that you are thinking instead of reacting like a few others here. Good job.

    [–]RobertCarraway -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    You sound exactly like my red pill black friend. This is exactly the kind of argument I have with him every time we talk about red pill issues.

    Paynehouse = Typical red pill white man // Red_King_Rising = Typical red pill black man

    [–]lispychicken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "Betas will do whatever they think will work. "

    I TRIED pointing that out once in an unrelated subreddit.. the amount of white knighting was sickening. It was some thread about some dumb redditor being the nice guy and always losing out on the girl. We know how that goes.. dummy.

    [–]Grasshopper21 -4 points-3 points  (10 children)

    You clearly care or you wouldn't have bothered to post a reply.

    [–]Red_King_Rising -1 points0 points  (9 children)

    No. You are still missing the point grasshopper. Her definition of what she wants is not my obligation to conform to. If I don't meet that obligation and I am doing exactly what I want in my life, how should her opinion effect me? What if I'm neither mountain man nor hipster dude and I don't care to be either one? Do you get it now?

    [–]jobs33ker 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Dude, forget it, these guys are fucking beta faggots who just don't get it. How the fuck did they end up here anyway? The fact of the matter is the Red pill comments you're making are being downvoted by beta BPers here on TRP. Does not look good.

    [–]organist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I've noticed this recently as well.

    Why are these white knights hanging out in trp?

    More importantly; they're missing the point of your argument, and getting butthurt because you're not sugar coating it.

    [–]jobs33ker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's just the spike in membership, it's gonna bring in the more "moderate" people on here and they will spout their Blue pill nonsense thinking they're going to "use a watered down TRP" to find happiness or some blue pill bullshit end goal. That's my theory anyway...

    [–]nasty__nate -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

    Look at you getting all emotional like a bitch. You sound like you just discovered TRP and are trying to be hardcore to compensate for your beta-ness. Calm down, son.

    [–]jobs33ker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I'm getting emotional eh? And I'm not trying to be "hardcore" I just think its pathetic how Blue pill you (and the other commentors) must be. You're basically saying "You should listen to what a woman says she wants". Sounds like YOU are new to TRP and haven't even gotten through the denial phase, let alone anger. Good luck, bub. You're gonna need it.

    [–]nasty__nate -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Yeah you handle your emotions like a bitch. Getting all upset over something small is a female trait. I didn't say I think you should listen to what a woman "says she wants". She doesn't ever say what she really wants. I highly doubt you're telling any women to go chop their own wood. In fact I doubt you talk to any women at all.

    [–]Grasshopper21 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

    You're missing the part where I don't care about you or what you think so stop talking and be done with it.

    [–]Red_King_Rising -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    You cared enough to reply. ;) I love you too.

    [–]Deaddpooll 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    "Who cares about she wants?"

    I do .I don't want a servant ,I want a partner

    [–]nasty__nate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    A ship needs a Captain and a Captain needs a First Mate.

    [–]1IVIaskerade -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

    Who cares what she wants.

    Aaaand this is the reason that I will have a more fulfilling marriage than you ever will. Because it's not all about me - there's a bit of give and take in most things. You know what? Beta isn't a bad thing. You need beta to make a relationship work over the long term. You just don't want too much of it.

    [–]Red_King_Rising 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    I will never be married. Nor do I want to. It's not about her personal wants in a relationship. We aren't talking about that. You've gone and made this personal. It's not. It's about conforming to your own desires of what you want to be. Not someone else's. I don't care you want either. I care what I want. When you understand that, you'll get what I'm saying.

    [–]Iupvoteforknowledge -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    Guys do you get it? He's so alpha. He doesn't care. About anything. At all. What a waste of space, please don't comment anymore.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Except the undeniable subject of his post was, in fact, what he cares about. Nice demonstration of powertalk though. "See guys? I'm speaking for you in a way that masks my lack of substance. And while I've got your attention: getta load of this guy."

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I get it, you're an asshole, and don't tell me what to do!

    [–]idrivesmallcars 78 points79 points  (17 children)

    I just try my hardest to not give a fuck about what other people think. It's becoming progressively easier.

    [–]PizzaismyJam 25 points26 points  (16 children)

    So..?

    What does this have to do with the post? Or why did you delete the post yesterday.. see you do care.

    Deceiving yourself doesn't deceive others.

    In other news, BPillers need to think that what they do is purposeful and will get them there.

    Self delusion helps them get through the day, but not through their Femi-ogre panties.

    As such, another day goes on in the Poontang Desert, that is BPland.

    [–]idrivesmallcars 18 points19 points  (11 children)

    I deleted my post because people were asking really specific questions about where I was living in town and who I was living with. I personally don't care but I'm not out to be putting other people's personal info without consent.

    [–]avagacadabra 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    Guys that shit test other guys are ... Sad.

    [–]brostrodam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Who said it was a guy. Catch my drift?

    [–]aOs_Student 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Guys don't shit test each other they assert their dominance. Shit testing is for mate selection by women.

    [–]ForYourSorrows 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Well you listed some pretty specific shit.. It's not too hard to figure where you lived and what everyone's real name was.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I'm betting that's why he deleted it...

    [–]ForYourSorrows 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    When there's only 500 of something (Especially something like a Ducati) when you say "this person has #143 of 500" it's incredibly identifying.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    yes, you are correct......I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment......

    [–]PizzaismyJam -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

    Just state no.. If you don't want to answer don't.

    Don't be a pushover.

    [–]idrivesmallcars 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    You know how socially awk people are... mixed with the infamous reddit circle jerk... I'd rather just close the thread since the beta-max's say it's just common knowledge

    [–]PizzaismyJam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Reading how you've presented it.

    I agree, you handled this in a rational manner.

    Keep on improving

    [–]nophoney 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    He said it was "becoming easier" not that he was cured.

    [–]1Dev_on -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    it's rather poigniant if you ask me, better point that most self posts in here

    [–]Johnny10toes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Lots of people delude themselves. Something I'm coming to terms with now. That can be a harder pill to swallow than the red pill.

    I guess the trick is to have people delude themselves into doing what you want them to do. Or maybe I'm just delude get myself.

    [–]ThousandTruths 19 points20 points  (31 children)

    The more beta males, the better. Less competition.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 58 points59 points  (22 children)

    If your enemies are weak, then so shall you become weak with complacency.

    May your enemies be strong enough to keep you stronger.

    [–]Rambhola 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    On the flip side.. the more betas, the more cunty and entitled a woman is going to act. The place where I live has innumerable betas scattered around like the seeds in a watermelon, and there were were many instances where a girl went back to her nancy-boyfriend, despite my swagger, because I made her feel insecure and her nancy-boyfriend gives her the much required validation and pedestalization.

    [–]ThousandTruths 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    On the flip side.. the more betas, the more cunty and entitled a woman is going to act.

    And the more they will want someone to put them in their place. Women instinctively react by wetting their pussies to an alpha male who is not afraid to speak his mind.

    [–]Throwaway_SEERED 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And the more they will want someone to put them in their place. Women instinctively react by wetting their pussies to an alpha male who is not afraid to speak his mind.

    This shit right here my dude. It just makes it easier for us to utilize what we learn here. They are simply stacking the deck in our favor more without realizing it. I love it.

    [–]bluedrygrass 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Nope. Because this ISN'T the jungle, this is the society we are forced to live in. We are forced to work with those peoples, to live together.

    If those peoples are irrational complexed crazies, inevitably we will suffer, too.

    Not to mention that those peoples influences (or are generated?) the political views, with the infamous results we are seeing from decades and that are reaching hysterical standards.

    Do you think it's easy, to be an alpha male, in a country like Sweden, where saying anything against females is social suicide?

    [–]ThousandTruths 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Because this ISN'T the jungle

    It's in the blood, in the DNA. That is what it boils down to.

    Do you think it's easy, to be an alpha male, in a country like Sweden, where saying anything against females is social suicide?

    Yes, but you have to pretend you are an immigrant and it's just in your culture to be a player. They respect cultural boundaries. LOL

    Swedes are fucked.

    [–]Precocious_Kid -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It's not hard to be alpha in Sweden.

    [–]Fzed600 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And women will stay fat with beta orbiters.

    [–]duckspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Be careful what you wish for. If beta males reach critical mass feminism will just take over, look what happened in Sweden.

    [–]babybelly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    wow this hacker 4chan has his fingers everywhere

    [–]monsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    A lot of reason beta and below men hate alphas is because they were bullied by alphas. See, it wasn't enough that the alpha was physically and perhaps mentally, a superior specimen. He had to repeatedly rub their noses in it with invasive displays of dominance.

    I think that the system itself causes this though, by constraining natural alphas with invasive displays of dominance by the older authority figures, which the alphas then mimic by kicking it on downward to weaker males as an outlet for their frustration.

    So, for instance, and this is a gross oversimplification, a jock and a math nerd could become friends and help each other with each other's weaknesses, but instead they polarize into mutually hostile sub-cultures. Sometimes they do become friends though, to their mutual benefit.

    [–]disposablevcard 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    This is my issue. I've got total fucking assholes at work who shit on me constantly whom I hate with a bloody fucking passion because of it. They're the general douchy asshole frat house alpha male type and of course after so much time time of them doing it the women look down on me so much. I can't do shit to counter it that wouldn't be an HR complaint so I'm at a loss as to how to reinvent myself.

    It doesn't exactly help my confidence at all and kills any attempts I have to be more alpha. I don't know what the fuck to do.

    [–]monsieurhire2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Once you've been "marked" as a "loser," even if unfairly, and believe me, it's very arbitrary and unfair who gets singled out, because plenty of kids only marginally less nerdy are somehow left alone or even join in on the bullying, it's very difficult to get out. People will work to keep you in that spot because THEY themselves don't want to fall into.

    It has been my personal experience that groups ALWAYS need scapegoats to blame their problems on. If one scapegoat leaves, the group will target another weakling to make the scapegoat.

    I saw this happen with my fraternity. Everyone always complained about one member. But they wouldn't kick him out. When he finally left, they found someone else to complain about. When that person left, they moved on to someone else. It was easier to blame everything on one person than to admit one's own shortcomings.

    My advice to you is as follows:

    1. Reflect on and write about EXACTLY how the situation unfolding step by step.

    2. Pinpoint exactly what you may have done differently to nip the situation in the bud or avoid it entirely. In my experience, if you left shit go, it only gets worse, because then the bullies learn they can get away with it, and they have carte blanche.

    3. Generally you can completely deter bullying by lifting weights and getting a bit buff and by cultivating a razor-sharp wit that can deal appropriate payback for any verbal slights, as well as using humor to dial down awkward situations so that both sides can save face. If you haven't done this already, do it. There's really no other way. In a workplace situation, this unacceptable, and unprofessional behavior.

    4. You probably should find a different place to work. Once you get your act together on a personal level at your present place of employment, seek employment elsewhere. If you self-improve, you may find people treating you better, but you may also find them maybe treating you worse because they're more threatened by you. There's no point in having conflicts with them. In fact, a good strategy would be to avoid them as much as possible until you are strong enough to not get shit on. You definitely don't want a conflict to go "wrong" and get you fired, because then it will be harder to find another job that has a healthier corporate culture. Healthy corporate cultures generally have "no assholes" rules.

    5. Get a few books on how to deal with difficult people. Never lose your temper, or show any emotion when they provoke you. There are many tactics to deal with people when they say or do nasty shit. One thing you can do is attack the behavior, and not the person (even though you'd like to attack the person). Treat the provokers like they are misbehaving children and you are bemused by their shenanigans. If you have already broken frame and gotten angry, it's too late to do this though.

    [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've been saying this since I've been here, literally every weak. All these rad fems and white knights are fucking fat idiot losers with no intention to better themselves. Of course the fat fuck of a female pig wants a fat acceptance movement, or the huge slut to not be held accountable for fucking around. Duh.

    The problem is that the internet gives them a voice which gives them the illusion that there is a "discussion" going on.

    [–]2asd1100 5 points6 points  (7 children)

    I disagree, I think it's just a fashionable way to indulge your emotional needs.(environmentalism or socialism are great to)

    Betaboys need to get validation for something and gender issues is a great way to get a girl to talk to you even if you are ugly as fuck.

    On the other side it makes you part of something, it gives you a cause, it makes your life worth living. It makes you easier to conect with other women on something more meaningful than hair and Katy Perry. It gives you the illusion that your are a complex person.

    This is why you don't engage with a feminist, you feed her delusion that she has anything meaningfull to say.(if you are actually curious look that shit up online, it will be more clear more accurate and more informative)

    And this is why you don't talk about the red pill with other guys(you can talk like a red piller and share your views but do not talk about it like it's a movement or anything like that). If you do it to get validation you are propping up a unhealty part of your personality, stop it. You should not be proud of being a red piller, you should be proud of what you achieve as a red piller.

    [–]Patagonad 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Environmentalism is the same as having the desire to fix a car engine which is running poorly. I.e. a derivation of a telos of efficiency.

    [–]2asd1100 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    at the base of it its just another ego stroke, something to make you feel more complex and to give you the ability to advertise that complexity to others.

    I admire the cold precise paradigm you spin it as, it gives my OCD tingles, but ultimately it's just the same circle jerk like all causes that came before it and will come after it.

    [–]Patagonad -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    You obviously do not understand what it is to have a telos; a belief in such nonsense as OCD implies your lack of motivation to maintain attention and desire to search for outside sources of your own inner faults.

    [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The OCD was a joke.

    I do know what telos is, I just think "a belief in such nonsense" shows a limited ability to be a great man without labels and cognitive decorations and actually shows you are just pretending to be someone better.

    I think a president is not intrinsically better than a welder. If anything due to the vices of power he needs to be exceptionally virtuous to even come close to the welder in terms or human value. A presidents issues are not intrinsically more complex, they way he aproaches them is just more complex given his schizoid personality. By having the same issues as a president you are bathing in his importance, from your point of view it makes you valuable, from your circle, you all are important because you ponder these issues. From the outside you are at best flawed humans that struggle with simple issues.(to be clear I am not debating the issue but the reason you are "debating" the issue.)

    Back to causes, if you need anything to believe in or to drive you, you are weak. A man gets up, does his job, enjoys the rest of his time and goes back down. Words are empty. Rethoric is masturbatory. If you have the power to do something you do it to the best of your judgement, otherwise STFU and find something actually usefull to contribute to the human experiment. This is a crucial fuck up of modern generations. You do nothing you have no self respect as a consequence and you fill the void with self esteem produced by circlejerking and empty peer validation. Do yourself a favor, if you find yourself agreeing with the person near you, doubt him, find faults with his reasoning and look at what the other side would say.(and no, don't find idiots you can easaly dismiss, find actual reasonable people that disagree with your position but you at least see their point.)

    [–]Hrodrik -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

    I think it's just a fashionable way to indulge your emotional needs. (environmentalism or socialism are great to)

    What is this bullshit and why is it not the first time I see this line of thought in this sub? Just because you're RP you have to stop giving a shit about the future and about a decent reward for hard workers that don't make a living out of manipulating people?

    If you think the only reason people worry about these things is because they need to be validated or they need something to feel emotional about then you're either ignorant, a psychopath or a nihilist.

    Talk all you want about the evolutionary psychology behind gender behavior but assuming that political thought is based merely on emotion is idiotic, especially when "left wing" policy is usually based on scientific approaches, unlike pretty much all "right wing" policy.

    [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    assuming that political thought is based merely on emotion is idiotic, especially when "left wing" policy is usually based on scientific approaches, unlike pretty much all "right wing" policy.

    do you hear yourself, you just called idiots the other camp in the same paragraph you argued that political discourse is not based on emotion.

    Assume all people are rational and all people are horribly subjective and judge both you and the other side accordingly.

    [–]Goonermuzzy 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    I'm new here, I've been a beta for most of my life and am transitioning to Alpha. One thing that has worked for me recently is treating good looking girls as if they are ugly. Can someone give me some advice on this method if it has worked for you as well?

    [–]mirinrustles 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    It works. As bad as it sounds, when I know I'm talking to someone who's "inferior" than myself (intelligence, looks, physique), I generally have a +10 in confidence. Conversations flow smoother, jokes are funnier, etc.

    It's a psychological thing. If you treat the "hot" girls as "ugly" girls, you essentially strip them of their "value".

    [–]Goonermuzzy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    It really is a case of " Your pussy holds no power over me"

    [–]desbest 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    It's called doing the complete opposite of what every other man is doing to women. Not giving her loads of Facebook likes, approval, kindness, etc, so it differentiates you. Just don't be mean for too long.

    [–]Goonermuzzy -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    So should I sprinkle some random kindness in there once in a while?

    [–]desbest 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    That depends what you mean by kindness, alpha male kindness, or beta male kindness. It goes like this.

    Are you treating this woman nice or kind because she has a vagina and you wouldn't treat a man the same way if they were doing the same exact things?

    ------------> If the answer is yes, forget what you was planning on doing and try something else.

    ------------> If the answer is no, go ahead and do it.

    Women will never admit this as they don't want beta males to fake being alpha so they can't decipher the potentials and the losers, but women hate it and are repulsed when men admire them for traits that do not exist in their character. So if you find yourself treating a woman nice because she's attractive or has a vagina, try something else.

    Examples of what not to do

    • Buy the woman flowers, pay for her drinks multiple times and compliment her appearance when you've just met her.
    • Don't apologise for your approach, don't say "excuse me", never position yourself as beneath her. You are the dominant one, and she leads your say so.
    • Don't engage in high brow topics (religion/politics/philosophy) or flowery low brow conversation that consists of raising a woman's self esteem and bitch shield.

    Examples of what NOT to do when approaching women who you haven't at least befriended yet

    • Flirt with a woman or make sexual who hasn't established rapport with you. You should be building attraction via clown game, not playing a "slut card" straight away.

    Examples of what to do before you've established rapport

    • Flirt by challenging her to something insignificant as a contest, if you can, or use some indirect game openers that are kind.

    Examples of what to do once you've established rapport

    • Flirt with the woman using words by making affirmative, suggestive and open ended statements (not questions) "You're a bit feisty, aren't ya" "That's sad that is, how can they/you...."
    • There are other ways to flirt with women, but they are context sensitive to your environment. Be creative.

    Examples of what to do when this woman is "all in your grills" (wants your undivided attention the next time she sees you

    • "What do you like the most about yourself" (You may have to wait 10+ minutes for the answer, but it's worth it.
    • If the girl says something that makes you look like a complete idiot, put her in her place by gently pushing her shoulder if you know her peers are watching. It's an alpha move.
    • Offer to help her with her academic/practical work, but only do it ONCE so you're not taken advantage of as a beta simp.

    It all depends on the context and what sort of personality and persona you put across when interacting with peers and women. The way I interact with women in a natural environment (no cold approaches) to build attraction, is to push women's buttons, put them in their place if need be and be an emotional repository for their emotions, but distant.

    Think of your own strategies of what "random kindness" you want to do to women. I've already given you some examples.

    [–]Goonermuzzy -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    This is great advice, I'll implement this over the weekend. Going to a party that has lots of girls I knew in my beta days, they haven't seen me in a year since I've changed. I'm interested to see how differently I will be treated.

    [–]desbest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I use my Attract, Scare, Pivot, Pager Prompt, Pathway method of interacting with others, men and women, and it always works as it's manipulative and genuine (too long to explain here).

    You might get a jolt of adrenaline when interacting with women, and adrenaline makes you do risks and do stupid things, like take risks in the war that can leave you amputated, so always regulate your actions. You don't want to hit a mistake buffer and feel gutted about it.

    When getting girl's phone numbers and the like, NEVER make jokes such as "If you don't reply to your texts, I'll text the other girl, and then the other girl" or "If I said you was sexy, would you make less of an effort?", as it means you're playing a "slut card" (my original terminology). You can be cocky, dominant and alpha, but don't play a "slut card".

    What is a slut card? A slut card is any words you say to a woman, of which if she accepts, she looks like a slut for being too easy. A woman will never want to look like a slut in front of her peers, even if she 100% wants to have you sex with you that instant. If you have to play a slut card (to be alpha), do it AFTER you get ALL the girls phone number, that way she can't retroactively withdraw it. By doing so, you are "testing the waters" (checking if a girl likes you implicitly). I have signed women's t-shirts around their breast area with permanent marker and was allowed as I wasn't dumb enough to ask for permission beforehand.

    Examples of testing the waters

    Testing the waters is when you check whether a girl likes you, without asking the question directly. Women do this ALL the time without men realising because women are better communicators. Plus when you test the waters, it allows women to have an input in the process, without being a heartless bitch about it, and she will probably give you implicit tips of how to improve or what to do if you do it. She'll just see it as harmless fun, as all the other orbiters do it, so she won't even single you out for it, as she gets it often.

    • "If I go buy a drink, will you wait for me until I get back?"
    • "You're such a bad bitch!" (by prefixing the word bitch with bad, you change the word bitch into a positive label, so she takes ownership of the word bitch, while you dominate and lead and she follows your say so.

    If you get a negative reaction from testing the waters, don't be off put. Women like it when men are persistent in the courtship process as it's a shit test or maybe they're figuring you out, because don't forget, you can build attraction naturally instead of within 5-30 seconds of approaching someone (at the party you're going to). By being persistent, you allow the girl to build trust with you, by figuring out how her mind works and what makes her tick, while your "alpha male kindness" and "testing the waters", ensures that she HELPS you seduce her as she'll give you signals of what you should to to make her trust and be attracted to you.

    [–]ErrandAlchemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Feminists believe that roles are infinitely interchangeable, and stands on research shows that when both partners feel they have egalitarian roles in marriages they are statistically far and away more happy than traditional male/female couples. This misses the fact that egalitarian does not mean that there is a loss of male-female complementary power. You have have a TRP frame, and still socially contract for a feeling of mutual gain.

    edit: grammar

    [–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Two things that jump out at me as just being completely off about this post. For one, the fact that some men might not want to be restricted by gender roles, or arbitrary notions of masculinity, has very little to do with men feeling inferior(and, if they do, they have every right not to want to be judged on ancient non-sense that no longer really applies to the modern day). Either way, the existence of gender roles are just needless restrictions, not standards. If anything, the problem would be that society judges men on all the wrong standards, rather than seeking "no standards at all".

    Secondly, the idea that guys think women are asexual because they are innately kind to women they want to have sex with is a pretty ridiculous statement to make. You can still be nice to someone and be sexual. One of the biggest issues that nice men end up facing is this notion that they're kindness represents a lack of sexuality, when that couldn't really be further from the truth. People aren't asexual because they like to be good people. Sex and nice are not mutually exclusive by any means. Women acting like guys are eunuchs, and absolutely refusing to take any kind of initiative, because guys are nice to them is the problem. Not guys thinking that women don't want to have sex.

    [–]ProjectShamrock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    For one, the fact that some men might not want to be restricted by gender roles, or arbitrary notions of masculinity, has very little to do with men feeling inferior(and, if they do, they have every right not to want to be judged on ancient non-sense that no longer really applies to the modern day).

    Yes and no. Masculinity isn't as much about the types of things you do as much as the way you do things. Going to popular fiction, look at Tony Stark from Iron Man. He's not into hunting or the outdoors or whatever, he's incredibly geeky, but still very masculine. Masculinity is about an attitude of being confident and stoic. How much you can bench press and things like that are really just a shorthand to establish masculinity, but aren't the only way to do so.

    You can still be nice to someone and be sexual. One of the biggest issues that nice men end up facing is this notion that they're kindness represents a lack of sexuality, when that couldn't really be further from the truth.

    I agree with you, but if you look at the "beta orbiter" behavior the intent is clearly to be a "nice guy" with no ulterior motives who just happens to stumble into a relationship with the target lady. They might be aware of their sexual intent but they are dishonest with themselves about it and secretly ashamed.

    [–]writeonbrother 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I would argue that everything is about standards. It's how prices are set, laws are made, and societies organized. Even if you chose your own, your simply setting another standard.

    [–]SillyAmerican 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    I really want to have some email blast sent out to every guy that says whether or not your in the top 20%. haha the email invites the top 20% to a convention, everyone shakes hands and drinks scotch. Everyone else gets an email that says "You're not top 20% material, get in the gym, stop being a bitch."

    [–]ThousandTruths 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Top 20% is nothing special. Anyone can get to top 20%. Top 5% is where it's at, and top 1% is god mode.

    [–]SillyAmerican 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    well then dont come crying to me when you miss out on the top 20 annual players ball. the hors d'oeuvres are amazing.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    What, get the top 20% all in one place at the same time? Someone may be tempted to take the opportunity to get rid of the competition.

    [–]LadyLumen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I think this 4chan guy has a point. Most of the most Beta, white knight guys I know are not manly and get made fun of by manlier men. So these Blue Pill guys decide, "fuck men," and embrace feminism. Meanwhile the guys they hate are pounding the women they love, which makes the Betas hate these guys even more, and flock to Feminism even harder.

    [–]jelloba -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    lol, I was in that thread yesterday. People were flipping their shit, calling OP a genius just for dropping some elementary TRP.

    It's funny how 4chan tends to look down on this place. They're so "redpilled," and yet most of them buy into the feminists' strawmen of this sub, even though we are basically allies.

    [–]aesthetics4ever -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Betas, when will they learn...