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[–]JohnPeel 283 points284 points  (99 children)

"As a queer person: i'm committed to people narrating their own experiences, determining for themselves what has and has not been harmful"

Sorry, but I don't think it works like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 194 points195 points  (59 children)

On another note, it's possible that sexual molestation affected the sister's sexual identity.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (49 children)

Wow, everyone should be talking about this too. And the sister says she's okay with it, but maybe she doesn't realize the full effect it had on her, or she could be in denial.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 132 points133 points  (45 children)

Honestly, dude, my very first thought when I read that the sister is a lesbian, is that the molestation fucked her up. "Surprise, surprise, she got molested as a child and turned out queer."

One of two things often happens when kids are molested:

  1. The child gets their sexuality hijacked and reprogrammed into same-sex, when it otherwise wasn't.

  2. Or, the experiences are so traumatic, that it warps child's outlook towards the entire gender of the abuser. In other words, an entire gender can feel profoundly unsafe, leaving only the other gender for sexual outlet.

I'd wager that if you conducted an honest poll of gay people, you'd find a higher than normal incidence of early sexual molestation.

[–]SenorPuff 46 points47 points  (31 children)

It's pretty well established if you look at any of the literature that disputes 'inborn homosexuality.' The most intellectually honest position is that homosexuality includes a biologically introduced susceptibility in utero and social interaction.

In 1995, Dr. Thomas Schmidt, author of Straight and Narrow, cited two different studies about high rates of sexual abuse in homosexual and bisexual men. He writes:

Nevertheless, it is disturbing to find that although under 4 percent of boys are molested by men, a recent major study found that the rate of childhood molestation by men among homosexual or bisexual men was nearly ten times that (35 percent). It is also notable that 75 percent of homosexual men report their first homosexual experience prior to the age of sixteen, as compared to 22 percent of heterosexual men reporting their first heterosexual experience. (5)

Dr. Dean Byrd has a Ph.D. in psychology, and postdoctorate degrees in Child and Family Psychology and Behavioral Medicine. Now in his fourth decade of teaching, research and practice, he has provided psychological care for at least 400 men who have been distressed by their unwanted homosexual attractions. He concurs that childhood sexual abuse is a significant issue for many men with same-sex attractions, and points to even more studies that demonstrate this connection. He also notes that the homosexually-identified men often report earlier ages for their first sexual experience, but often don’t consider this abuse:

There is indeed a clear disparity between homosexual men and heterosexual men and child sexual abuse. Using a non-clinical population of 465, Tomeo et al. found that 46 pe cent of the gay men reported being sexually abused as children compared to 7 percent of the matched heterosexual men. (15) What’s intriguing is that 68 percent of the homosexual men did not identify as homosexual until after the abuse. Earlier research by Johnson and Shrier concluded that boys who had been sexually abused are 7 times more likely to identify as homosexual or bisexual than their heterosexual counterparts. Even more intriguing is that Friedman noted that the boys who later identified as heterosexual had a mean average of 15.7 as the time of their first sexual experience. For the boy who later identified as homosexual, the mean average was 12.7. (16)

Dr. Byrd continues:

There is an interesting problem with the research – we have been asking the wrong question for many years. If you ask men if they were sexually abused, many will say “no,” because “allowing” oneself to be sexually abused is incompatible with masculinity. However, if you ask men how old they were at the time of their first sexual experience, the data seems more accurate.

Sexual abuse causes havoc in the lives of boys – in part because of the way in which our culture differentially responds to boys and girls. Such abuse can certainly have the impact of gender confusion which contributes to gender identity which determines sexual orientation.

Most of the men that I have treated over the years have experienced some kind of trauma – some kind of premature introduction to sexuality either in the form of sexual abuse or some kind of pornography along with peer abuse. (17)

[–]Statecensor 19 points20 points  (15 children)

The problem with these studies is that they ignore that a lot of straight teen girls 14-16 do fool around with guys in their late teens early 20s without society considering it molestation.

When I went to high school it was pretty common to see 15 year old girls being picked up by older guys in college who they dated. Its so common in our society that every movie about high school has a line with a chick saying something along the lines of "I don't date high school boys".

[–]SenorPuff 14 points15 points  (12 children)

straight teen girls 14-16 do fool around with guys in their late teens early 20s without society considering it molestation

What society are you living in? In the United States for the last, oh, 30 years, if you touched a girl under the age of 18 and were yourself over the age of 20, you're a rapist. In the last 10, if you were 17 and she was 14, you're a rapist.

That also doesn't refute this bit:

Even more intriguing is that Friedman noted that the boys who later identified as heterosexual had a mean average of 15.7 as the time of their first sexual experience. For the boy who later identified as homosexual, the mean average was 12.7.

Which is clearly accounting for high school experimentation.

[–]boxzonk 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Promiscuity rates among homosexuals are also through the roof. The amount of risky sex a sexually normative person has, even a pretty active sexually normative person, and the amount of risky sex a homosexual has are way too far out of whack to be considered a normal deviation. This trait is a tell-tale sign of sexual illness and is shared by people whose sexual well-being is taken more seriously, like victims of sexual abuse or molestation.

[–]jmottram08 21 points22 points  (4 children)

This trait is a tell-tale sign of sexual illness

I dunno about that... I think the reason is that men want sex more than women.

The limiting factor for males to have sex is willing women.

Take the women out of the equation, and men will have sex all the time, with as many people as they can.

You can prove this with any of the tons of studies in lesbian # of sexual partners vs gay male # of sexual partners.

[–]SenorPuff 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Lesbian bedroom death is also a documented phenomena. But let's not act as though women and men go down the same path to homosexuality. Women are more sexually fluid naturally, more open to group sex, even if it includes more females. On average, men want more sex, and want it with one or more females. Women want comparatively less sex, with more of any partners. Women are more interested in the experience of sex than the sex itself and thus are, provided any of their fears are assuaged, more likely to agree to new and interesting, unconventional, or otherwise sensory-rich forms of sex. Men want to get their seed out.

[–]jmottram08 5 points6 points  (2 children)

While I may or may not agree with you, I am unsure as to how this is a reply to anything I said.

[–]cascadecombo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

From the gay friends I've taken the time to actually talk with about stuff more than superficial topics I've noticed this trend strikingly far too often.

[–]sway_usa 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Holy fuck, the sister is a lesbian? I didn't know that before.

This bitch should be in jail.

[–]CockFlavour 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Do you really believe someone should be in jail for something they did as a 7 year old?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She's 6 years older than her sister, and her sister was 6 in one of the incidents, so she was around 12 in one of the incidents.

Idk about jail, but get the ages right.

[–]DominumVindicta 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Dude she was 17 when she molested her sister while watching TV and masturbated while she was sleeping right next to her. That girl is fucked in the head.

[–]sway_usa 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Not really, but it should take the sting out of her "drunk sex is rape" shit and knock her off her moral "body positive feminist" high horse.

[–]AugustWallflower 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I thought the exact same thing when I read that her sister was a lesbian.

Edit to add: Almost every single lesbian I know had some sort of unpleasant sexual experience when they were young. I know there are exceptions to that, but it's enough incidents that I don't think it's just a coincidence. Even Ellen and Rosie admit to being molested as children. You can't tell me that didn't impact them somehow.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Ditto on the lesbians. An anecdote comes to mind, I met a stunningly beautiful Pakistani girl. This girl was very feminine, and interacted like a hetero girl, except that she had a butch lesbian GF in tow.

Turns out, her brother raped her when she was 9. Abuse is a bitch.

[–]Lonelyfapper1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit, I pointed that out on reddit a few months ago, reading accounts of sexual abuse, about how I notices its strange that they all turned out gay or bi. I got ridiculed and thought of as crazy. Hive mind punishes people for thinking.

Sorry if I'm ranting just thought from the responses I got I was fucking crazy. Feels good man.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Definetly. I read a post on reddit about a guy who claimed to have had sex with his teacher as a teenager. Apparently he grew up to be into bondage as the submisse person.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The comments disgust me. People are so blind to the psychology of the human mind it kills me. We aren't superhuman

[–]skylineboulevard 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Lol "I'm queer, and though that has no relevance to the situation, it lets you know that anything you say against me is offensive to queer people you fucking rapist!"

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 59 points60 points  (27 children)

That was a "statement" from the sister. Which is equally as stupid, because I don't see what her sexual orientation has to do with how she perceives being molested by her sister.

[–]oxymorphone 85 points86 points  (14 children)

It has nothing to do with anything.

It does, however, grant you immunity for ALL of your actions in the eyes of SJWs.

[–]areyousrslol 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Except no man could be absolved by any statement, the demon.

[–]noteventrying 14 points15 points  (3 children)

no straight white man could be absolved...

[–]DaphneDK 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Heard that so many times. For men, white men, straight men, for Christians and Western civilisation in general. Different standards apply. There's always an excuse why it is ok to do towards Western straight white men what is not ok towards others. With the recent NY "harassment" video (even putting quotes around got me labelled as a misogynist) compared to the male equivalent - the man was not feeling threatened. It's ok (which I agree with) to take stuff from Nordic mythology and making silly cartoons out of it because Scandinavia is part of the the power structure, whereas doing the same for say American Indians or Muslims would be cultural appropriation. etc.

It's all bullshit. 75% of what comes out of the humanities of universities these days are bullshit.

[–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 35 points36 points  (6 children)

I guess this makes "she was asking for it" a valid defense of rape.

Is this real life?

[–]JohnPeel 22 points23 points  (1 child)

People like Lena Dunham are morally bankrupt and entirely self serving. If it means victim blaming their own sister - their sister that they in fact abused themselves then so be it.

If you want a archetypal sociopath then she's a great example of one.

[–]SenorPuff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As if her acting thus far wasn't enough evidence, she wrote an autobiography at age 28. Twenty eight. What the fuck can you possibly have done by age 28 to merit an autobiography? She's a textbook narcissist.

[–]MelodyMyst 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No, it's liberal minded lala land.

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    [–]BigSmeez 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Right, in the eyes of SJWs, queers and other sexual deviants are "sexually intellectual" or something. When really, they've just got their own brand of fetish, and it doesn't make them any more qualified than anyone else. I wonder what a psychiatrist would say.

    [–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (6 children)

    That's true. But these guys below on this comment thread got it wrong. What she is actually saying is, "I'm queer, and I think that the victim should decide whether what happened was harmful or not."

    So she basically means, "My sister molested me, but I don't mind. So she's absolved of all wrongdoing. Also, I'm gay so you can't be mean to me."

    Which is still ridiculous, but you guys are getting carried away here.

    [–]Hajimotto 29 points30 points  (4 children)

    I hate when people use LGBT status as a defense for any action they did. Sleeping with your same-sex lover, sure being LGB makes sense. Sleeping with a minor, being LGBT does not makes sense.

    [–]Claude_Reborn 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Sleeping with a minor, being LGBT does not makes sense.

    Eve Enlser was excused for her pedophilia in the Vagina monologues, by playing that card, so it used to work for them

    [–]SenorPuff 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    "Well, I say if it was rape, it was a good rape."

    I have not been able to take anyone who doesn't abhor the Vagina Monologues seriously since my English class in college required viewing it. Just make sure you play along in instances like that.

    [–]Claude_Reborn 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Just remember that the person in that was 14, and the guy who called her on it got his career destroyed by the feminist SJW media brigade.

    [–]LastRevision 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    "In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play.[16] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could", in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation "It was a good rape." Swope also noted the double standards involved, asking "why is rape only wrong when a man commits it, but when it's by a woman committed against another woman, who just happens to be 13-years-old, it is celebrated and a university club sponsors it?"[8] Outcry from the play's supporters resulted in Swope's being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run. Swope had previously criticized the play in an article he wrote entitled "Georgetown Women's Center: Indispensable Asset or Improper Expenditure?" His termination received critical editorial coverage in The Wall Street Journal,[17] Salon,[18] National Review,[19] The Atlantic Monthly, The Washington Times, The Weekly Standard, and by Wendy McElroy of iFeminists.[20]"

    [–]1Zanford 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It's still a double standard. When it's an of-age man with an underage (or intoxicated) woman, the legal and social default is that 'she can't consent' and it was rape even if she liked it at the time and is still glad it happened. IOW the victim saying 'it's okay!' would not absolve a man. So it should not absolve Lena Dunham.

    [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    She's getting confused with her SJW defense bullshittery.

    [–]Craniosis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Her mental twister gymnastics is going to pretzel itself.

    [–]the99percent1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    the best part of that was she says "people should be able to make up their decision on what constitutes as rape or not."

    The mind of a feminist SJW.. our world will be truly fucked if any of them came into power.

    [–]jmg83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    If a young boy had done all that to their [straight] little sister, would it have made a difference then?

    [–]Im_A_Box_of_Scraps 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Replace queer with straight and see how much shit arises.

    [–]skripklubbin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Oh you must have missed the memo where opinions only count if you can back them with things like feelings emotions and sexual preferences.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. You don't get to determine what to molest someone is just because you are trying to protect your predator. The law defines what is sexual assault and molestation, It doesn't matter if you agree with the law or not it is still illegal.

    [–]DominumVindicta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    When will we put an end to rape culture?

    [–]Algermas 144 points145 points  (1 child)

    Please remember it's only a sex crime if it's perpetrated by a man, if you don't have a Y chromosome you can't commit a sex crime. This is the female doctrine, always has been always will be.

    [–]twistedbrother2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    and if you're gay you can do anything to children, and if you criticize that it's homophobic.

    [–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 171 points172 points  (25 children)

    I told a story about being a weird 7 year old. I bet you have some too, old men, that I'd rather not hear.

    It's ok because creepy old men have probably done it.

    Lena Dunham molested her little sister. I hope this becomes a meme or something.

    14:57, 14:58, 14:59...

    [–]oxymorphone 104 points105 points  (22 children)

    The insane part is that a man could do something far less disgusting and be seen as the scum of the earth. When an "artistic" woman does it, it's merely experimentation. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually made her seem more interesting in the eyes of some of her disgusting, degenerate fans.

    Lena Dunham does do a great job of summarizing what is wrong with modern females, however; if I detect any of her traits in a girl, I immediately know that that girl isn't worth knowing.

    [–]PhilipeNegro 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    The insane part is that a man could do something far less disgusting and be seen as the scum of the earth.

    What, like catcall a New York 4 in Spanish Harlem?

    [–]slcjosh 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Let's be real. She IS scum. But she is a famous female championed by a feminist agenda. There will be no repercussions.

    [–]Endorsed Contributortepper2 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    When I first read the headline, my initial thought was "How is it possible for a ventriloquist's puppet to 1. have a sister and 2. molest somebody?"

    For the record, Jeff Dunham is also a hack whose work I dislike.

    [–]CrimsonTideCosby 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Agreed. His whole act is just open racism and people eat it up. And I love racism. He is just a major fucking hack.

    [–]geenomike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    As a lumberjack I find your description of Dunham as a 'hack' to be offensive. His routine is nothing more than schlock.

    [–]HobKing 5 points6 points  (15 children)

    She wasn't an "artistic woman" for god's sake, she was a fucking little kid. She was a little kid. Kids do weird things sometimes. Yes, kids are not as responsible for their actions as adults. How do people here not understand that? If you hit another kid when you were little, do you think you should be arrested for assault?? The level of seemingly willful misunderstanding in this thread is ludicrous.

    I tend to stick up for this sub compared to everyone else, but sometimes the things people say here are just unbelievable.

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Lena Dunham also said that having sex with a man who is also drunk while saying "sexy things" to him instead of "no" amounts to being raped.

    Her hamster defined sexual assault, and her words are coming back to haunt her.

    [–]DRMMR76 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    Are you seriously implying a 17yo is still a little kid? Or are you referring to the 10yo that got molested?

    [–]Echelon64 162 points163 points  (20 children)

    So this woman sexually abused her own sister, in her own words, but it's okay because she's allowed to dictate what isn't abuse?

    Holy fucking hell what is wrong with these people?

    [–]Claude_Reborn 54 points55 points  (0 children)

    This is what you get when you are allowed to make subjective, feelings based judgements.

    She doesn't feel bad about what she did, therefore she did nothing wrong.

    Doesn't help she is a cluster B narcissist, because she won't feel bad about anything she does to other people.

    [–]rdesktop7 19 points20 points  (6 children)

    I do not think that any abuse happened. I mean, this is the sort of thing that six year olds do to understand the world.

    The main problem is that this whole incident would be treated a lot differently if she had a penis.

    [–]Echelon64 31 points32 points  (2 children)

    I do not think that any abuse happened. I mean, this is the sort of thing that six year olds do to understand the world.

    Except she kept experimenting and grooming her sister until she was 17.

    [–]rdesktop7 14 points15 points  (0 children)


    I guess I missed that.

    [–]nikdahl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I haven't been following the story that closely, but from the articles I've read, I don't see anything about that. Do you have some links I can read?

    [–]1Jaereth 60 points61 points  (19 children)

    When she was 7? Ok, little first graders do explore sexual things and do weird shit sometimes.

    When she was 17? She's a fucking psychopath. When I was 17 I was trying to get girls in the back seat of my car. I wasn't at home jacking off next to 10 year olds. At 17 you know god damn well that's a fucked up thing to do.

    [–]LastRevision 4 points5 points  (9 children)

    Wait, was she seven or seventeen? This make a tremendous difference to me.

    [–]creekcanary 19 points20 points  (5 children)

    There are two different stories. At 7, she touched her sister's vagina. At 17, her 10 year old slept in her bed basically ever night, and Lena would masturbate while her sister was asleep.

    Oh, and Lena's sister is now a lesbian, just fyi.

    [–]CSMastermind 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Started at 7, continued until she was 17

    [–]bat_mayn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    In other words, the "experimentation" spanned at least a decade and one may take from that, what one will.

    [–]1kick6 65 points66 points  (6 children)

    I told a story about being a weird 7 year old. I bet you have some too, old men, that I'd rather not hear. And yes, this is a rage spiral.

    You know, Lena, you're probably right. So you know what we old men did? We decided not to put them in a fucking book of memoirs, and release it to the public.

    What a dipshit.

    [–]Negro_Napoleon 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Somethings you just take to the grave.

    [–]bam2_89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    The weirdest thing I did at seven was play with Sailor Moon dolls. I don't have shit on LD.

    [–]colovick 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Everyone does stupid shit as kids... Documenting then as an adult can only end up hurting you

    [–]MyFirstOtherAccount 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I once buried a shit i took at a playground but I didn't go wright a book about it...

    [–]ChinaFatBrownNipples 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You also don't have a show on HBO, so chances are no one would give a buried shit about your story.

    [–]Killigraphy 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    This is doubly hilarious when you take into account what some women consider "harassment" thanks to that girl walking for 10 hours video...I can only imagine what; spreading your relative's vagina and bribing her with candy constitutes as?

    Oh that's right, fucking molestation.

    [–]-Strider 105 points106 points  (9 children)

    The amount of people defending this on /r/Askwomen is disgusting. Apparently it's ok because her sister says so. I guess Ray Rice is ok now since his wife says so, right? I guess long term domestic abusers are ok because their wives say so? Nope, didn't think so.

    [–]creekcanary 26 points27 points  (2 children)

    Just for the record, I just went to the thread and all of the top comments seem pretty critical of LD

    [–]-Strider 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    The top rated comments may have been, but I was referring to the entirety of the threads not just the top rated comments. If you read the entirety of the threads you can see how many people are blasé about it

    [–]OBOllie3003 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Apparently it's ok because her sister says so.

    Fucking ridiculous. But if a woman several years later "appreciated" her "relationship" with an older man, she was obviously brainwashed and is in complete denial.

    Seriously, women have 0 sense of's all about "me me me" with the occasional "you go girl".

    [–]mctoasterson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    SJW types desire a permanent victim class that serves as the privileged arbiter of what is and is not "OK" on a case by case basis. To summarize, only establishment males can be "victimizers". Counter-culture females can never be abusers because they are just "exploring".

    [–]tsudonimh 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Hands down best comment on that thread:

    if you can't take the heat then stay out of your sister's vagina

    [–]Luke666808g 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Actually what Ray Rice did was totally justified, if you come at people and start slapping you can expect to get knocked the fuck out, the lesson is don't start shit.

    [–]reddiforlove[S] 43 points44 points  (21 children)

    What's hilarious to me is the hamsters trying to spin this as "curious exploration."

    If she wanted to see what a naked girl looked like, she could have looked in a mirror.

    [–]oxymorphone 40 points41 points  (13 children)

    Exactly. If she was male, admitting this would effectively ruin her life.

    [–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Or played with another girl her age.

    This was really sick. I suspect it's why Grace turned out to be lesbian.

    But then, anything associated with gay / lesbian recruitment is actually protected these days. I have a kid in middle school and I can see the threats.

    [–]alpha_n3rd 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    It happens a lot because it's actually pretty normal. What's sad is the way society stigmatizes kids for being kids regardless of gender.

    [–]reddiforlove[S] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    You can't have it both ways though, you can either be hypersensitive to the notion of explicit consent or not.

    The fallout from this probably wouldn't be nearly as bad if she hadn't also used the same book to come out as being "raped," despite the fact that she was sober enough to remember the whole thing, and her "rapist" both let her beta orbiter try to talk her out of going home with him in private (she chewed him out), and immediately left when she told him to.

    [–]alpha_n3rd 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Yes, I agree, the irony is palpable.

    [–]flexiblehold 62 points63 points  (5 children)

    Sorry, gross naked chick (who I honestly think has serious writing talent), you can't have it both ways: if you think drunken sex that you later regret is rape, playing around with your little sister's pussy is not only molestation (at the least), but is probably something far worse.

    [–]ibuprofiend 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    gross naked chick

    Lena Dunham is too ugly to be taking her clothes off on TV.

    When I kept hearing about how 'Girls' is notorious for its on-screen nudity, I had to google the star... and I was extremely disappointed.

    [–]rztzz 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Bro that's like the whole point.

    An ugly girl getting naked and being sexual as a way to fight the patriarchy. When in reality all she's thinking is "every woman deserves to be a sex object" aka female privilege

    [–]robot-b 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I look forward to all the ugly and fat males appearing on the show too, haha

    [–]nikdahl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Have you read any of the book? She has very little writing talent.

    [–]reedrichardsstretch 89 points90 points  (52 children)

    Looking /= touching. What Lena describes is classic child molestation if I ever heard it described. If she were a man/boy, should be on a registry and ostricized for life.

    I didn't think she could get more disgusting, but she just did.

    [–]masturbator9000 27 points28 points  (6 children)

    Seven year old had to register as a sex offender for a crime he commited at the age of 6 - he "played Doctor" with two other kids.

    [–]Skiffbug 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    That's a great example of an unwarranted knee-jerk reaction. It is akin to suspending a 6 year old boy for play-shooting another one with a imaginary gun.

    [–]sway_usa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "He" being the operative pronoun there

    [–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fuck me, if I were president I'd pardon every sex offender who was convicted for a "sex offense" that occurred before the age of 13 (regardless if they were 35 by the time the conviction came around). Blanket pardon, record scrub, and if I could get away with it $250,000 each minimum for the pain and suffering the Legislatures and District Attorneys caused them. I think the taxpayer deserves to pay for these fuck-ups in this case...

    [–]OKJaded 42 points43 points  (41 children)

    If a psychiatrist could chime in but... Typically when one child molests another its because someone molested them. IE They need to learn the behavior from somewhere first.

    Aaaand all the sudden her being naked in every episode becomes an obvious act of sexual acting out, crying for help. Kind of sad if she has these regressed sexual memories she's trying to heal by "taking control" and making everyone see her naked. Jesus christ its pretty much textbook.

    [–]wiking85 17 points18 points  (37 children)

    Are there instances of children unprompted experimenting with their siblings?

    [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (33 children)

    Definitely - it's part of normative development, although most people don't like to talk about it because of the post-pubescent visceral "how gross!" reaction. The issues with publicly exposing/playing with "private parts" are not inherently known to children; it is something that is socially learned when they have the cognitive capacity to understand it. Most children will nonchalantly play with their own/others' genitalia until their caregivers start reprimanding them for it. This is why they make up harmless games that include a lot of body-touching, like playing doctor.

    Children will begin to explore their own bodies and will seek out opportunities with same-age peers to compare similarities and differences of body parts. This will happen with same sex peers and opposite sex peers.

    Source: Tennessee National Children's Advocacy Center (and hundreds of other psychology/child development studies)

    In my opinion, this is simply a knee-jerk public outcry that is getting a lot of attention due to celebrity and "child molester, OMG" mentality that doesn't actually suit this situation (i.e., she's just talking about her normal child exploration and development but with awful wording/phrasing). This "issue" has nothing to do with her outspoken feminist stance on drunk rape - pretty sure this is a logical fallacy regarding comparing one unrelated argument to another.

    [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    Ha, I loved her one tweet

    And by the way, if you were a little kid and never looked at another little kid's vagina, well, congrats to you."

    Now that's a textbook example of shaming tactics. The beta males don't want their sexual prowess/history called into question, so they stand down.

    [–]Johnny_Fake-Name 15 points16 points  (7 children)

    Can't link specifically but I found a quote from the book. In it, she tells how she gave her sister candy for kisses, toys for fondling, and allowed her control of the TV is she "relaxed on her". The reason it's despicable is she was training her to give sexual favors for a reward. And before the " prostitutes do that " argument, this is a child, not a consenting adult. Dunham spoke of how she longed for control of her sister's emotions and told her of bad goings on in the hopes that she would "embrace her". See the issue yet?

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    I have not read any of the book (nor do I care enough to), so I'm speaking from my own education in psychology (including child development) here. This woman is giving her adult interpretations of what her under-developed brain was processing at the age of 7, which in its very nature makes it a flawed retelling, so take it with a grain of salt. Children at that young age are learning cause-and-effect, and more specifically, autonomy and agency. Older children will often take on some kind of advantageous authority role within a relationship with a younger sibling - they learn that they can get the younger sibling to do things for them by offering small, trivial rewards. This sounds exactly what Lena was doing, but it is seen as perverse because it involved satisfying her curiosity of genitals rather than, say, gathering pieces of candy. I don't think that a child can be considered as a sexual predator because they simply do not have the perverted intentions that adult sex abusers do.

    [–]colovick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    What he's referring to is plainly stated/quoted in the articles this post is based on... That said, I agree that the act itself is fairly normal, assuming similarly young ages. I think the quoted passage spans more years than just a very young age, which leads it into abnormal territory... I'm still hesitant to label anyone a child molester from such little info alone though.

    [–]zpatriarchy 11 points12 points  (6 children)

    A 1997 study based on limited variables found no correlation between early childhood (age 6 and under) peer sexual play and later adjustment

    "6 & under", not 7 through age 17 which are the ages at which that fat whale was abusing her sister.

    [–]LVKAS_AVRELIVS 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Hooray! Someone with sense!

    [–]alpha_n3rd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    am a father and can confirm

    [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And admitting to the behavior in print! How could she do something so risky!? Acting out, crying for help.

    Yet, that's not an excuse in legal terms, certainly not for men. If you commit a sex crime, you get prosecuted and convicted, and then a part of the sentence is treatment. And since treatment is ineffective we put you on the sex offender registry.

    Lena Dunham has sort of put herself on the registry by admitting this stuff in print. But still the legal processes should be followed. Perhaps it would help Grace find closure and perspective, and some increased self-worth.

    [–]Nerf_Circus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    When I was a kid I looked at the vaginas of other kids playing at the beach, it pretty much impossible not to see a naked toddler running around screaming, however I didn't move to see better, touch, open or insert rocks into said toddler's vagina.

    I'd like to say that's quite a bit different.

    [–]Konwayz 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    I can't help but wonder: Did the sexual abuse really stop at 17? Or was she only stupid enough to admit to the abuses she perpetrated prior to reaching the official age of adulthood?

    Seems awfully convenient. A little too convenient, even.

    [–]bat_mayn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yes, great cutoff point. I'm sure her experimenting that went on for at least a decade, stopped abruptly before she ascended into being criminally liable.

    [–]fuckeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wouldn't ask her to babysit that's for sure.

    [–]Chaohinon 18 points19 points  (4 children)

    As a male victim of molestation, shit like this actually gives me a glimmer of hope. Once feminism has dug itself a deep enough hole, both women and men who've actually experienced what it's like to be forcefully violated are going to start to get pissed about being trivialized and politicized like this. I foresee a mutiny brewing in the ranks.

    [–]creekcanary 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I think my first reply got removed....

    I've been reading through the askwomen thread about it and to be honest all the top comments seem at least 90% anti-LD. Not a subreddit I lurk pretty much ever, but I ought to give credit where credit is due.

    (Can't link, but it's a top thread right now)

    [–]AngraMainyuu 17 points18 points  (5 children)

    This line really fucked her over, from her own book:

    As she grew, I took to bribing her for her time and affection: one dollar in quarters if I could do her makeup like a “motorcycle chick.” Three pieces of candy if I could kiss her on the lips for five seconds. Whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just “relax on me.” Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl I was trying.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Well it seems to indicate that this didn't just happen when she was 7 but continued for years.

    [–]robot-b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I was accused of not being able to take that last sentence as the clear joke that it was

    obviously my sense of humour must be flawed

    [–]1favours_of_the_moon 53 points54 points  (9 children)

    Looking at a girl wrong on the bus is rape.

    Unless you're a woman. Or whatever Lena Dunham is.

    [–]masturbator9000 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    May I remind you guys of this here:

    Basically the same exact story. 6 year old plays doctor and has to register as a sex offender at the age of 7.

    And that monster Dunham basically asks us to understand her and to sympathize with her?

    [–]Traz_Onmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Doesn't any sane person thinks that case is ourageous?

    [–]reddiforlove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wow, great find.

    What an incredibly parallel, sad and fucked up story. Adding this to the OP.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Um, yeah...

    I will say this. Lena Dunham deserves an award for the sheer chutzpah she's displaying. write in your book that you molested your sister repeatedly for years, and you're not supposed to be charged with anything?

    I think her hamster could replace the engine in SpaceShip Two. Virgin Galatic would be cleared to fly. LOL

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Honest question: How did Leena Dunham's white patriarchal corporate overlords allow her to publish that?

    [–]TheAssh0le 27 points28 points  (0 children)

    Dunham’s explanation only inspired more debate about whether or not what she describes in her book constitutes molestation.

    D... debate? Wtf is there to debate? She bribes her little sister with candy to kiss her. She probed and "pried open" her vagina when she was a toddler. How else would you define molestation?

    [–]flexiblehold 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    The reason you won't see men writing this kind of shit in their auto-bios is because they innately know they'd be branded molesters, and honestly, rightly so.

    I understand that children who do awful things are not the same as adults who know better, but an awful act is still an awful act. If LD could at least acknowledge that what she did was hideous, that would deserve respect.

    E.g., let's say you used to bully or beat the shit out of some kid when you were 8-years old -- if at 28 you laugh it off like it was "kids being kids," that compounds the moral error and lends legitimacy to the notion that you maybe are a complete piece of shit.

    [–]kingofcrob 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    who ever thought the writer of a show who characters are all horrible people is pretty much a horrible person

    [–]michaelknox3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Just another example of the feminists being able to twist whatever facts they want to make any argument they want.

    "Gamergate is entirely about misogyny"

    "Belle Knox is an empowered feminist porn star"

    Which one is it goddamn it??? Well it's whatever feminists say it is!

    [–]MelodyMyst 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    So, if it was Lenny Dunham prying his sisters vag open, bribing her with candy to kiss her, and playing with his dick next to her in bed this would be an open and shut case.

    It is amazing the mental gymnastics the modern liberal has to do, all day everyday, to be able to defend their position.... I would be fucking exhausted.

    [–]robot-b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    and playing with his dick next to her

    I think she said they used to hug while she did it

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      [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      Reddit's reaction to this has been pretty incredible, in some of the other posts the degree of normalization and dismissal of her behavior is insane. Like "oh kids play doctor, its normal".

      It's like if they found out a serial killer killed cats as a child, they would say "Oh that's normal, I squished roaches and bugs as a child to watch what would happen."

      I don't really care if she's an abusive psychopath or just someone who was fucked in the head as a result of having liberal artistic excuses for parents (the latter is my belief, her parents sound like terrible people). But the way her fans talk down the issue is very disturbing. If I had a daughter and one of her older friends, maybe a babysitter, did this, I'd be hardpressed not to try to kill the bitch. You wouldn't expect a 7 year old to open the vagina and shove pebbles inside to a girl she hates, let along her baby sister. Nevermind the weirdest part - jerking off as a 17 year old in the same bed next to your sister's "sticky" body. At 17 years, that's more fucked up in my mind.

      If you were a parent and your 17 year old child was masturbating in front of your innocently perplexed 10 year old, you'd disown or at least severely punish the older person. It's just mindblowing.

      Not to mention how she just airs this for the public to read, not realizing said sister probably didn't want this to be the subject for discussion at her school / workplace. See, Dunham unfortunately is usually fairly savvy, so she wouldn't have included this unless she felt that it achieved some purpose. Maybe she figured it would make her seem edgy or ignite some controversy that would push sales for her shitty hamster-fuel book.

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      If I had a daughter and one of her older friends, maybe a babysitter, did this, I'd be hardpressed not to try to kill the bitch.

      Exactly! The identity politics and tribalism are running wild with some people. Thankfully, the majority of people have sense. Toddlers are not fuck toys, mmkay! Heck, they barely have a clue as to what's going on down there.

      [–]jameshookegrey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You wouldn't expect a 7 year old to open the vagina and shove pebbles inside to a girl she hates, let along her baby sister.

      She's actually claiming that the one year old girl was shoving pebbles into her own vagina which Dunham just happened to discover when she played gyno, and then alerted their mother, who extracted them. Of course, the idea that a one year old girl was outside shoving rocks up her cunt is pretty unlikely in its own right so maybe Dunham's story was sanitized for public consumption and your version is the truth, but I think we need to be honest about what's being claimed here. Long-term homosexual incest molestation is a serious enough charge without exaggerated misunderstandings.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Lest we forget, this is one of the women who tipped the election last cycle crying about the War on Women. Sandra Fluke had her free contraceptives and all her classmates crying because they had to pay for something. Who could forget Dunham's vote for Obama video: "My first time" in which Dunham compares Obama to her first lover and how voting for him was like getting her cherry popped. You go girl.

      So is voting for Hillary like popping your sister's cherry? Maybe Dunahm can do an ad on that next time.

      [–]deville05 6 points7 points  (15 children)

      Im not reading this crap, but how old were they both?. It totally depends on that. I think if someone knows what taking advantage is, what molestation is etc and then does it, its molestation. If yr too young to have more curiosity than sense because you are trying to oretend to be adults n do what they do, its exploration.

      [–]OBOllie3003 3 points4 points  (14 children)

      Dunham was 7 and Grace was 1.

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        [–]OBOllie3003 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        it went on for and off for 10 years.

        That is fucking disgusting.

        [–]TRP_FuckFeminists 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        but it's okay because she feels like she did nothing wrong :D

        [–]juanqunt 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        What's the full situation? When she was 17, it was clearly child abuse/rape. Now when she started at 7, it was probably childhood curiosity. I'd guess start of puberty, around age 10 or so would be the cutoff for what's considered sexual.

        [–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Childhood curiosity is when you play doctor with someone about the same age, who is able to play with you (i.e. consent.)

        Dunham played an extended mind game of domination with the little girl (I think this might be typical among girls including sisters) but added in a sick physical component to it.

        We normally have protective instincts within us, to prevent us doing this. We play doctor with kids around our age and we don't make it a mind game. Dunham is a sicko. Justice would have her prosecuted for this.

        [–]OBOllie3003 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        What /u/Cover20 said.

        • Childhood curiosity is when you play doctor with someone about the same age, who is able to play with you (i.e. consent.)

        • Dunham played an extended mind game of domination with the little girl


        From the source (Screenshot of the book): "..whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just "relax on me". "What I really wanted was to feel as if she needed me, that she was helpless without her big sister leading her through the world". "I took a perverse pleasure in delivering bad news to her-the death of our grandfather, a fire across the street- hoping that her fear would drive her into my arms, would make her trust me."

        [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It continued until she was 17 and her sister 11, but probably further since it's extremely convenient to have it to stop just before being legally in trouble.

        [–]OBOllie3003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        but probably further since it's extremely convenient to have it to stop just before being legally in trouble.

        Exactly. Also, keep in mind that this is just what she admitted. Imagine the things that are kept secret? Despicable.

        [–]Transmigratory 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Double Standards: Lena Dumbam Edition.

        [–]red_pill_throw_away 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Bright colored hair? check

        Crazy feminist? check

        That previous post correlating colored hair and craziness is ringing in my ears. Especially since I started recollecting every woman I knew with colored hair.

        [–]Reich_Winger 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Do the classic gender switch-a-roo in this instance. Picture a famous male writer/director writing a book where he includes molesting his little sister multiple times and actually self-describes it as "something a sexual predator would do". How would society be responding right now?

        This shit is getting worse and worse...

        [–]ztsmart 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Holy fuck shit. Try to imagine this with the gender role reversed--if she were a man.

        Holy fucking christ.

        [–]1cover20 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        And sister turns into a lesbian.

        Wonder if she would have had a shot at being straight if older sis hadn't been so manipulative, emotionally and physically including most sensitive areas.

        [–]KentRichard 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Whats weird is that women like this try to dictate what is normal, this being the sort of activity that makes up her past. Now when it come to men they are disgusting creatures whose elegant sex drive design that has populated the earth since we began should now be considered dangerous.

        [–]aphelion3342 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        I don't think the outrage is that Lena Dunham necessarily did anything wrong. The outrage is that any man who confirmed such a behavior on his own would get arrested, branded a sex criminal and become a pariah for life. Particularly with regards to masturbating next to the 10 year old as a 17 year old.

        That's why everyone is going broadsides on Lena, because people on her side and of her ilk would have done it to any other man. So by unleashing hell on her, they are forcing the conversation to change back to something resembling reason.

        SJWs won't back down until they start feeling the heat on their own. If one of their people starts to feel the same abuse they've been dishing out on men and on other people for the last few years, and starts to get beaten up in the media by the exact same tactics and for the exact same reasons that they've been going after others, hopefully they'll chill out a bit for fear that others in their midst will suffer next.

        Also, we don't need to see Lena Dunham naked on television so that's another net positive.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Probably not arrested, but definitely socially ostracized and condemned for their behavior.

        If this slides through with no repercussion, I will no longer have any doubt in my mind that the normalization of pedophilia as a "mental disorder" that society must "understand rather than demonize" will come sooner than I ever imagined.

        Enjoy the ride.

        [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        She fucking planned this shit. The reaction is predictable as fuck. She knew "men's rights people" would be pissed off, she knew feminists and hamsters would all side by her because she's their darling, and she knew would draw lots of attention to herself. The more controversy she can put in the shit she writes, the more she becomes a household name landing major Hollywood film writing bucks.

        [–]Hideydid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You give her more credit than is due. Maybe some PR people came up with this, but I think she's just so full of herself she honestly didn't see anything wrong with it.

        [–]jameshookegrey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I tend to think of myself as a (moderate) liberal and I'm flabbergasted to see Dunham being defended in editorials published by high profile periodicals. I guess when conservatives said that legalizing gay marriage would be followed by incest and child sex abuse becoming socially defensible we shouldn't have laughed!

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Lena Dunham is Feminist thinking personified. The is the purest form of their ideology. Complete abandonment of responsibility, extreme entitlement complex, complete inability to accept judgement.

        Extreme leftists like her are the endgame for Progressivism. Open up everything so that nothing is taboo. This is what happens when you don't have boundaries -- she is literally shaming people for judging her child molestation actions. This is why you don't enable people to do whatever they want.

        Feminism is a giant shit-test. When a woman demands that you not judge her, ignore her words and look at the big picture. She is a child that needs boundaries enforced on her, else she goes through a self-destructive cycle. If she had a strong male influence in her life he could have kept her from spiraling out of control.

        [–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Hey, I'm all about voluntary anything. That 6 year old boy linked to a bunch of times is a great example of sex laws gone wrong.

        7 yo Lena may be forgive-able for being 7, but 17 year old bribe-my-sis-for-favors Lena isn't forgive-able. It's one thing if your 10 year old sister comes and asks you to show her what masturbation is, it's another to bribe such a situation out of your 10 year old sister when she probably doesn't know better!

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          [–]gameno 23 points24 points  (7 children)

          She wrote that at the age of 7 she explored her 1 year old baby sister's vagina to find several pebbles. Most people are skeptical that an infant had the hand-eye coordination, dexterity, and pincer grasp to perform such a task. She then goes on to talk about how she used quarters and candy to dominate her sister. She used three pieces of candy to coerce her sister into kissing her for 5 seconds, among other things. Then she recalls that at the age of 17 she would make her sister beg to sleep in the same bed. She relished the torment her sister went through to sleep together and while cuddling with her 10 year old sister she would often masturbate.

          [–]Ignatius_Oh_Reilly 19 points20 points  (0 children)

          The irony of her commenting on the Woody Allen situation us quite hilarious now. 17 is old enough to know incest and a sexual relations with a child is wrong. Just wanting to that shows there are some serious screws loose.

          [–]juanqunt 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          7 year olds do some weird shit, so I'll let that part slide, but what she did at 17 was absolutely disgusting and unacceptable.

          [–]gameno 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          It is less about 7 year old kids doing crazy things as it is a problem with the legal systems that treats all males like criminals while females do the same thing with no consequence. There was a 7 year old boy who was registered as a sex offender for playing doctor with a boy and girl his age when he was 6. There was a 6 year old boy who was accused of sexual harassment for kissing a female classmate on the cheek.

          [–]zpatriarchy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          whenever i see RyanHatesThis i know it is going to be man-hating feminist lies & nonsense. i don't know who ryan is but he's a smart man.

          [–]trpArtVandelay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Jesus christ, the stupid in her is great. What was she expecting when she wrote all that? "Oh what a charming story of molesting your siblings! How edgy of you to admit to abusing a child!" And besides the horrible things she had already done to her sister, why publish that and put her sister in a horribly uncomfortable spotlight? "You know how I violated you when you were a kid? Well let me tell it to the world at large."

          Lena Dunham is a fucking monster.

          [–]Tripleberst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          So the fappening was a violation against women but playing with your kid sister's vagina is just good clean fun.

          I seriously think there should be a #GirlsWillBeGirls campaign on twitter about this. This is too fucking funny to me.

          [–]Cypher211 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          What the FUCK. I'm genuinely speechless right now, I thought the title was some kind of fucked up parody when I first skimmed over it. Genuinely cannot believe there isn't huge widespread outrage about this and I'm even more gobsmacked that she's throwing this about casually as if it's no big deal (seriously read some of her response tweets). Like I said, I don't think there are words capable of expressing the sheer and utter depth of hypocrisy here. If this was a guy nonchalantly recounting this we'd probably have riots in the streets.

          [–]briguy42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is some next level hypocrisy, absolutely disgusting.

          This woman claims retroactive rape after being high on blow and benzos talking dirty while fucking some dude. Shit like that makes it harder for women and men who are actually raped to seek help, it makes it harder on law enforcement to handle rape cases, and the court systems to prosecute.

          Same woman coerces her sister into sexual activities by giving her candy and money, but it's ok why? Because she's queer? WTF does that have to do with anything.

          I guarantee this woman has no understading of what a detriment to society she is.

          Id imagine being a member of the LGBT community is tough enough without having some fuck wit using that title as some sort of excuse for being a fucking monster.

          seriously digusting.

          [–]pl231 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is literally token sexual abuse

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          What the fuck is a kid doing masturbating at age 7?

          [–]juicy_truth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          She was masturbating at age 17.

          [–]El_Serpiente_Roja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          you can not fucking make this stuff up ...seriously

          [–]Zchavago 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Now image Lena actually being a male and writing this about his sister...he'd be ruined.

          [–]JamesK1973 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          What a fucked up person.

          Playing doctor is one thing but then writing about...

          Also, six years older than her sister....very fucking creepifying.

          [–]foxthechicken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Here is a Salon article (big surprise) defending LD titled, "The right's Lena Dunham nonsense just won't stop."

          As if to imply that morality and decency for children are "conservative" issues.

          Here is a very telling and scary excerpt from the article by the author, Emily Gould:

          When I read the book I remember laughing out loud at this story. My recall of childhood isn’t as impressive as Dunham’s, but I’m sure I experienced similar funny-weird brushes with other kids’ privates; the first one that sprang to mind was when, around that same age, I saw something pink and squishy in the pants leg of a long-haired new friend I’d made on a beach vacation as we crouched over a sand castle. I had a moment of cognitive dissonance as I made sense of the fact that my friend was not, as I’d been assuming, a girl. Imputing predatory motives to a 7-year-old girl and assigning a role of victim to her sister, who apparently doesn’t feel victimized in the slightest (Dunham reports that Grace laughed at the allegations) seems more predatory and abusive than anything that Dunham describes in the book, which also includes descriptions of masturbating in bed next to her sleeping sister (who hasn’t?) and bribing her with candy for kisses (come on).

          [–]jameshookegrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Dunham reports that Grace laughed at the allegations

          Entirely reasonable to let child molesters speak on behalf of their victims, of course.

          [–]eatingonthetoilet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          For feminists it's all okay if a woman does it, because then she's "striking back against the patriarchy" by proving that not only men can rape little children.

          [–]skeletorcares 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          She's part of the rape culture she's always accusing boys of. (which is also a complete sham)

          [–]Real_Patriot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hamster through the fucking roooooof.

          [–]WindowToAlaska 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Please tell me this sick fuck is going to be arrested and convicted for this.

          [–]Ratcheta 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Today I learned that you can be declared a pedophile before you even hit double digits.

          [–]Doomblaze 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          you have to be a guy though

          [–]coffeemug73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "I told a story about being a weird 7 year old. I bet you have some too, old men, that I'd rather not hear. And yes, this is a rage spiral."

          As an old(er) man, I assure you that I have no stories about when I was 7 or 17 that come close to the depravity on display here.

          [–]SpaceChris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Turn the tables. If downloading leaked photos is rape - what is supporting a female child molester?

          [–]ilirm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You know, i have seen Girls and i thought it was great. Almost every female character in the show becomes more detestable as the seasons progress. It's like they really go into depth into the modern NY girl mentally deranged world and it comes out funny at the end, because, it usually ends in tears for them.

          I thought it was a very good critique of the lifestyle in a humorous and clever manner. The fact that she continues her antics in real life, just goes to show how dedicated she is to her craft of trolling feminism, both on and off the screen. If she is doing this on purpose to discredit the ideology, i say bravo, she is being successful thus far.

          Or, it could be that she really is THAT stupid and vapid, either way, the net effect is not beneficial to feminism.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Completely beats me why anyone has ever paid attention to this talentless whale and her unfunny soap opera. Unfortunately this news will probably just stir up controversy and increase her ratings in time for season 4 of GIRLS.

          [–]anidealistmind 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          Hi, one of those dreaded feminists you called for. I personally (cannot speak for everyone else) find this DISGUSTING. That's right, I'm siding with you guys. It's fucking sick. I know sometimes children get curious, I myself remember kissing a neighbor girl at only 7-8years old while playing house. But vagina touching, masturbation??? That's not normal, that's fucking weird and yeah she should get investigated. Girl or boy, no one should be forced or touched like that. I'm truly mad at the people defending her, there is no excuse. It's gross and wrong. I just wanted to let you guys know that not all fems are on her side. That lady is fucking crazy.

          [–]GhostOfAladdin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          What about if an older brother masturbates and experiments with his younger brother?

          She just sucks. It is astonishing she thinks writing about it is ok.