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[–]OKJaded 176 points177 points  (13 children)

Repost from 'What was your wakeup call' thread. It seems applicable. It wasn't a lack of sex or friends... I just didnt want to live anymore. Depression is a bitch you can't quite understand until you have been there.

When I was preparing to kill myself. That was my slap in the face. You see, killing yourself, can be much harder than it seems. The popular methods are less successful than you might think. About a 95% success rate. Seems great right? Until you realise you have a 5% chance to survive a legitimate attempt. Failing at suicide was a shame I wouldn't be able to live with...

Long story short, after researching euthanasia methods from countries where it is legal, and crunching the numbers on self murders I had a method that was 100%. I set a date and began putting things in order for once I was gone. My PIN is this. I have funds here, here, and here. I want a trust for this person and this person. Had my will made. It was at this time that I had the weirdest realization... I no longer feared death. In fact I welcomed and embraced it.

I knew exactly when I was going to die. Had the date picked out an everything. As long as I didn't commit any huge crime I could do whatever I wanted, get arrested, post bail, and still kill myself. I had an eject button. A plug I could pull and it would all be over, lights out. It was my new superpower; Atomic 'I don't give a fuck'. My fear of failure: gone. Hesitation: gone. Ability to put up with indecisive people: gone. It was my last month left alive and I was going to make it the best, most hedonistic time of my life.

If you got within 5 feet of me I was talking to you. Man, woman, child, dog, it did not matter. I would talk to you and actually be interested in what you had to say. The complete opposite of who I was before. That fear of rejection that stopped me from doing this my whole life? What the fuck do I care!? I'm out of here anytime I want. My whole life I avoided conflict. I was deathly afraid of any physical altercation. We talk about setting frame, maintaining frame, even holding frame. Its nothing compared to being the frame. What's the worst anyone could do? Kill me? Thanks, saves me the trouble. Abundance mentality applied to life. I had too much. Someone please take it from me.

Its something we must pick up on, as humans, on some subconscious level. That primal ability to lock eyes with someone and know 'do not fuck with this dude' or 'this motherfucker is dangerous'. People stopped shit testing me. Fuck, most of the time they were drawn to me, trying to buy my attention. Buying me drinks. Trying to get me to come party with them. I made some new friends. They were fairly successful but kept running into these random problems they didn't know how to solve. I had all the answers they were looking for. I knew exactly what they needed to do. We started working (professionally) together.

Time can be a funny thing. My month had flown by and the date was right around the corner. A big project was set to launch just a few days after my departure date. Fuck that. I wanted to see how the project ended up. I rescheduled my 'flight'. The project was a huge success. That was my moment of clarity.

This world cannot take anything from me I wasn't ready to take from myself. No matter how bad I fuck up the worst that can happen is I die because I am willing to take my own life. Living life as a supplicating man drove me to suicide. Living life without fear made me alive. It was then that I finally started to question everything. I started to make a lot of Red Pill conclusions on my own. A year later a friend said 'Do you know what the Red Pill is?', I replied, 'Like in the Matrix?'. I had shared with him a lot of my own views that fell in line with Red Pill thinking. 'Check it out' he said 'you've said a lot of the same stuff they say'.

When I first came here I thought everything seemed a bit extreme. Mainly because I had 28 years of bullshit crammed in my behaviors. As I read the sidebar links, more and more bullet points clicked. It explained all the incongruencies I had accumulated over the years of living a very blue pill lifestyle. I've continued to read since.

[–]Park_Hobo 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Finally!! Dude! Death is a part of everyday life. One day I had a similar epiphany and I can't find people who agree with me about how a lot of things in life don't matter and how we should be re-embracing death into our culture. The will to survive and fight. No one wants to take risks financially, legally, or fatally. The people who do are those punk kids I always use to hate, so I have to do it alone, because they are not my friends. Everyday I wake up with the goal of trying to do something that might kill me or achieving something to strive for a 'good death.'

Good Death = Dying having accomplished your goals or trying to complete them, or dying as a result of a mortal challenge (e.g. Rock climbing, fighting a shark or something).

[–]confuseacatlmtd 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This was me over a year ago after I found out that my then gf of 4 years cheated on me. Same thing happened. I realized I was free and began rebuilding myself as a whole new person. It was like I had really died and been given a second life that was all my own. Took a lot more effort than just that, and my progress has been accelerated after finding the redpill a few months ago.

[–]Wheatspin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean, your girlfriend cheating on you isn't the same as planning a day to kill yourself but I get what you mean.

[–]confuseacatlmtd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I was suicidal for a day, is what I meant. It's a long story lol

[–]lLoveLamp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is freaking inspiring. Thanks for taking the time to write this

[–]anjkh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fuck, that was... Liberating to read. You took massive red bomb and became the pill itself. Thanks for the insight of being afraid of nothing. I myself enjoy being put in "controllable" physical/mental dangers or risks everytime I have the chance, for it develops the best of me (concentration, stamina, resilience).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its something we must pick up on, as humans, on some subconscious level. That primal ability to lock eyes with someone and know 'do not fuck with this dude' or 'this motherfucker is dangerous'

My dad would say something similar to my brother and me. He would liken it to seeing a dog on the street. Sometimes when you see a dog you think, "I'd like to pet that dog, that looks like a nice dog." Then you see some dogs and think "I better not fuck with that dog."

[–]TRP_James 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Respect man, I have some true respect for you.

[–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A very moving story, I thank you for sharing and am happy that you are here with us today.

[–]pantsoffire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok okjaded, here goes.

I was in a similar place, a simlar state of mind or soul or being or reconization. I'd lost my best friend to schizophrenia, but he was still breathing and talking but as thou one as dead. Loxapine, Stelazine an more did not bring him back.

Little brother had become a drug fiend and was welcoming the wolves and "Dark Magic" and fighting his own homosexuality.

Dearest sister was welcoming anything and anyone into her as long as they had drugs because I could not treat her this way.

My guidance councillor/ reike teahcer was lecturing on her own gender based superiority... And I was in love with her.

I began to disapear. With every out lasting breath. With every so often gift given. Withdrawing from men and light and welcoming the chasm.

I began to disolve. And everyone noticed. Rich and poor, Confident and askew, they all knew. As I did. As I do.

And still stand alone. And the animals love me still.

I am not RPT. Or beta bux. Or MRA. I Am.

[–]LAMFF 162 points163 points  (0 children)

This heart touching hookers and blow story was based on a movie about my life.

[–]reddiforlove 81 points82 points  (31 children)

because for feminists men getting shot is motivation to tell men to stop thinking about themselves and change the subject to talking about how women are scared sometimes.

This is important.

But back on topic, what a life-affirming story. Just imagine how many lives could be saved each year if the US legalized prostitution and cocaine.

Also think about how much the average American woman would have to step up her game in order for men to be able to tell her apart from the new professional class of whores. It really would be beneficial all around.

[–]The69th 37 points38 points  (13 children)

Can't wait for medical cocaine

[–]Claude_Reborn 57 points58 points  (5 children)

Medical hookers, complete with sexy nurse outfit !

[–]Wraithwain 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Restores your manly health and happiness, just like a real nurse would!

[–]Claude_Reborn 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Japan has them.

Australia at least has legal sex work. Jim Jefferies has a fantastic story about taking his mate to see a sex worker because his mate was dying of ALS.

Fucked if I can find it though, it's fucking hilarious and very touching.

[–]AGiftToAfterthought 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It was Muscular Dystrophy, actually.

[–]pantsoffire -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But no. Because sex like drugs releases endorphins which could lead to this ...

[–]antidoxdevice 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that coke had ketamine (which has some studies showing it helps) in it that helped fix him.

[–]Keninishna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

uhh just the dopamine from the whores could fix depression temporarily. The coke just even adds more.

[–]InformalCriticism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That millennia came and went.

[–]pantsoffire 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And you just outlined why it would never happen. Too much effort. /the antithessis of the modern woman.

[–]sweetleef 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also think about how much the average American woman would have to step up her game in order for men to be able to tell her apart from the new professional class of whores.

Which is why prostitution is criminalized.

You have to wonder if it would still be illegal if we turned the clock back 80 years to when women couldn't vote.

[–]reddiforlove 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that is an interesting question.

Ironically enough, from my understanding, criminalization in the US was first passed before women could vote, and it was pretty much the issue that the suffragettes made their bones on leading up to them getting the vote.

Once they began to be able to financially support themselves without prostitution, they fabricated a racial narrative around "white slavery" to trick white men into supporting a federal law that would increase women's control on access to sex.

Funny how that worked out for everyone.

[–]pachan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also think about how much the average American woman would have to step up her game in order for men to be able to tell her apart from the new professional class of whores.

legal prostitution has NO positive or negative effect on the behavior of men OR women. get in your heads americans.

[–]C_D_O 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Just a point of pedantic contention: Elliot Rodgers was not a psychopath.

If he were, he wouldn't have anxiety about his lack of success with women. Really, he would probably - excuse the pun - be a lady killer.

I have an issue with the characterization of spree killers as pyschopaths because its dismissive: he didn't just kill people for the fun of it, he was angry with his environment. He was certainly a narcissist from what I saw, but a psychopath? Nope, way too emotional.

[–]antidoxdevice 18 points19 points  (4 children)

He was mentally ill, lets leave it at that.

[–]ekayze 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Nah, i'd say he was more an angry kid that was mislead to believe going out with a bang was a good option.

[–]MagnanimousGenius 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Plus you know, he had Aspergers

[–]ekayze 4 points5 points  (0 children)

His wiki says he was never formally diagnosed with any mental illness

[–]ekayze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

His wiki says he was never formally diagnosed with any mental illness

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not too sure how "psycho" has been popularized, but the net effect is undeniable, and it's somewhat similar to the charge of "terrorist": a "bad" person, someone who does something evil because they are evil themselves.

For the majority of people, it ends there, and it's really a progressive replacement for "this man is (possessed by) the devil". But even for slightly smarter people, as you point it, it's extremely misleading. Psychopathy is a lower-than-normal concern for other people's feelings, and by dismissing people like Elliot Rodgers as psychopaths, these people are essentially saying that there was no cause to these rampages, "it's just the way they are, and as, as a matter of fact, are totally not like me!". It's as convenient as trying to pretend we would have acted differently in the Milgram experiments, but it's not the truth. Normal humans are capable of very surprising things, and Rogers was simply a particularly emotionally fragile person, who in mental agony and had the means to get a gun and enact his vengeance fantasy. But that could be any one of us, torture a man long enough then give him a gun an point to the source of his agony, and see what happens.

After all, don't we excuse women who kill their husbands in their sleep with the "battered woman syndrome"? Why be so specific? A lot of people who suffers mental torture can break down and kill, and they aren't all psychopaths.

[–]TRP_FuckFeminists 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Psychopathy is dark triad and inevitably attractive to women. People are delusional armchair doctors when they label every killer a psychopath en masse.

I agree with you and I saved your post for future

[–]rockumsockumrobots 27 points28 points  (8 children)

A friend of mine killed himself when he had no job, girlfriend left him and his family were a bunch of fat rednecks.

I regret not spending more time with him and living it up. I refuse to let that happen to me, or my friends, again.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

friend of mine offed himself after a bad breakup. the part that happened afterword was probably more 'red pill' eye opening than anything I ever learned about women. everyone was patting themselves on the back, comforting each other and saying 'there was no way they could have know' and in a couple of weeks it was like he was never born.

[–]TANov14 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I also lost a friend to suicide over his bad case of oneitis and subsequent rejection.

In his case, he had also drunk most of a bottle of vodka at the time, so I've always thought he'd still be with us if he hadn't been so wasted that he had no idea what he was doing.

Getting wasted over a woman... it can be cathartic sometimes, but not always in a good way.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if it gets to that point you're already in pretty bad shape.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 0 points1 point  (4 children)

everyone was patting themselves on the back, comforting each other and saying 'there was no way they could have know' and in a couple of weeks it was like he was never born.

like he was never born.

Yeah...dude that's so sad, but so true. I'm encouraged though because TRP has already saved lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't know if its red pill or not. but if you want to prevent suicide, take some responsibility and be a better friend.

fuck fair-weather friends.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've never been a fair-weather friend to anyone. In fact, I've been a fucking awesome friend to shits who didn't deserve it and still taken flack for it when I failed to continue to coddle them.

The only thing I regret is not being more blunt with him. He used to complain about "jobs being shit." Of course you'll get the shit jobs when you start out. I got the shit end of the stick in every job I took until I either left or worked my way up. That's how the fucking world works buddy. I should have said it to him, worded in that manner, even at the risk of losing him as a friend. He didn't need me to say "hey, man, it'll be okay, just stick with it" or "man, that sucks. I'm sorry to hear you're having a shit time at that job." I thought it was being supportive, but it was just ableism.

There are some people who don't need more responsibility from friends or a "better friend." Some people just need a swift kick in the ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

sorry. didn't realize you were the same person I first replied to. the comment about fair weather friends wasn't directed at you. that being said, the majority of friends, especially men's friends are fair-weather. if things are going well, you're the shit, but if you fall on hard times you're a fucking leper.

I also think that the title of friend should carry certain responsibilities. one being caring about the other persons feelings; as crazy as that may seem.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no problem man. I still stand by everything I said and I'm glad it took a comment to make me think it over.

You're 100% right though. One good thing about falling on hard times is that you know who your true friends are. I don't think it's any surprise when most of your true friends turn out to be men.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Cocaine and hookers are a wonderful way to indulge in some casual hedonism. Just don't get swept up in the life and get addicted, and you will be fine. There's more to life than fucking pussy and feeling like a superhero. Like anything, moderation.

[–]flexiblehold 20 points21 points  (6 children)

The problem with Elliot Rodgers was his attitude of entitlement mixed with psychosis (the psychosis enabling him to act upon his narcissistic attitude). He seemed to believe a certain lifestyle, a certain status, a certain level of accomplishment -- that they should be granted to him, rather than earned by him through persistent, dispassionate self-critique and personal development.

Really the problem with Americans and the West as a whole is the prevailing and malignant culture of entitlement. Currently on the front page of reddit is an account by a 46-year old man of how his life in banking, his family and marriage, that all were a waste, totally oblivious to the profound reality that in the greater context of human history, having your wife cheat on you and being miserable working a 9-5 is actually win compared to hunger, disease, intellectual or physical disability, and premature death.

Gratitude and relentless personal development must take the place of entitlement and apathetic narcissism for us to have any hope.

Hookers and blow is pretty fun though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill 7 points8 points  (1 child)

that they should be granted to him, rather than earned by him through persistent, dispassionate self-critique and personal development.

I don't think that's entirely accurate, and rather the whole point of RedPilll.

He was trying to earn it, through persistent, dispassionate self-critique to fit the mold he was aiming for; the mold he was told to fit into by people unknowningly reinforcing his failing behavior. Dude lost his shit because it wasn't working, NOT because he wasn't trying with all of his effort. He was following a bluepill blueprint with the certainty every bluepiller has about what women want.

The entire reason for the problem is the 'This is how you should treat women in a sexual relationship' guide he was following. Was he wrong in how he went about it? Yeah, but bet your ass it was following those instructions he was given to a T.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

in the greater context of human history, having your wife cheat on you and being miserable working a 9-5 is actually win compared to hunger, disease, intellectual or physical disability, and premature death.

I don't know how you can be so sure about that. This kind of "life" is only better for bankers and goverment, surely not for you.

[–]Newdist2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in the greater context of human history, having your wife cheat on you and being miserable working a 9-5 is actually win compared to hunger, disease, intellectual or physical disability, and premature death.

If your wife cheats on you enough that none of her kids are your kids, then no, that's not a win.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He seemed to believe a certain lifestyle, a certain status, a certain level of accomplishment

Hardly an unrealistic viewpoint if you only took your knowledge of romantic dynamics from media and popular culture. You rarely see RP-themed films or shows. Elliot's only real failing was not questioning the feminized version of reality he was forcefed growing up. That a weak, simpering nice guy with money, looks and status was a girl's wet dream.

I think a lot of recovering betas used to think this at one point too.

[–]yeahweewee 29 points30 points  (16 children)

problem is for foreveraloners like Elliot its not really about the sex its about validation/companionship

alot of puas who were former betas just end up having sex and taking pictures with women just so they can brag about it

[–]MrMagwitch 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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[–]reddishman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it's a biological need. Men instinctively realise that they are born with no societal value. That they are disposable.

In order to fulfill this void men seek the approval/companionship of a woman. Ie if they can attract a woman then they would have some value. This is the reason why men living in areas which has legal prostitution still want to find women to be with. At the end it's not the pussy that men seek.

The Y chromosome needs to evolve over this mentality. Men have to stop attaching their worth with women.

[–]RedPill115[S] 28 points29 points  (12 children)

problem is for foreveraloners like Elliot its not really about the sex its about validation/companionship

I don't entirely agree with you. I read several things after that about how similar narcissistic guys would go almost crazy at a certain point, if they had sex they'd readjust to surface level normal. We all have a biological drive to mate. It can drive you crazy. When you add other-crazy on top of biological crazy, it's not good.

While this wouldn't cause Elliot Rodgers to suddenly become normal, it probably would have some of lot of the pentup drive away. I never would have done something that put me in jail, but I know when I was a virgin and a junior in college, finally getting laid with someone I kept sleeping with was a HUGE burden off my shoulders. Don't know how else to describe it. It made me a lot more confident around girls, not feeling like I was making some overly-huge decision in talking to them or going after them.

If you are desperate for validation/companionship, and you believe that you'll get it with a girlfriend and sex, you are going to be desperate for a long long time. It's a Red Pill truth - women want men who aren't (to) needy. If just getting sex makes you less desperate for it, you're better off.

alot of puas who were former betas just end up having sex and taking pictures with women just so they can brag about it

That seems unrelated.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read several things after that about how similar narcissistic guys would go almost crazy at a certain point, if they had sex they'd readjust to surface level normal.

I think it was Roosh's commentary that observed that. He noted that he knew of some unstable betas that were teetering on the edge, only to become fully adjusted normal dudes once they started getting laid. Not having sex can actually really fuck a guy up.

[–]yeahweewee 2 points3 points  (10 children)

and why was it a huge burden off your shoulders? because you finally got the validation that you needed in the form that you are in fact "worth" having sex with, a prostitute would not elicit the same effect

[–]honestthrowout 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I've haven't gotten laid in a long time, and fucking a hooker would do nothing for me besides make me feel cheap and desperate.

[–]1ubiety 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Desperate times call for desperate measures - and no one but you needs to know you fucked a prostitute. Spinning morality onto a harmless act (exchanging sex for money) needlessly shames you away from obtaining the physical release that could benefit you in the long term.

Imagine being an incel virgin for 20+ years and how fucking off your mental state becomes after trying and failing to have sex the "normal" way. "Just getting it over with", i.e, losing your virginity, should be done as early as possible (or before you graduate high school) to ensure you don't develop into an average frustrated chump.

[–]1Dev_on 3 points4 points  (2 children)

from what ive been told, the good escorts make you feel like you earned it.

they aren't just a pay for hole service. A lot understand youre looking for the validation. lots of documentaries on this, check out netflix

[–]Philhelm -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

from what ive been told, the good escorts make you feel like you earned it.

I've seen a great escort, since we went out to shoot pool afterward and she bought me drinks. Then we went to the hotel and fucked again. I saw her a few more times and banged her at no cost until the crazy started emerging and I had to eject. I definitely felt validated though.

[–]14931125 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Many of my mates have fucked hookers to loose their V plates. It gets sex out of the way, it shows them that it is no big thing. This removes so much of the perfomance anxiety of not knowing what to do which causes guys to choade out and not pull the trigger or act all weird.

Once they fucked a hooker, it was a matter of months before they found a girl who they could fuck free of charge.

[–]DoctorWelch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How, all girls a prostitutes in one way or another. They won't sleep with you unless you pay them in something. Whether its time, money, feels, status, whatever it is.

To separate out that one is more important than the other is simple narrow mindedness. It is you believing in the blue pill dream that a woman actually wants to be with you for you. Wake up call, that's not how it works.

[–]ekayze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats why you add cocaine into the equation ;)

[–]RedPill115[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and why was it a huge burden off your shoulders? because you finally got the validation that you needed in the form that you are in fact "worth" having sex with, a prostitute would not elicit the same effect

That's only true if it's on the aware, psychological level. We all have a biological drive to have sex that is below that level.

It wasn't that higher level psychological validation for me. I already knew that there were some girls who wanted to sleep with me - my ex girlfriend had wanted to sleep with me and I was trying to detach myself from that relationship as much as possible. It was something else.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alot of puas who were former betas just end up having sex and taking pictures with women just so they can brag about it

I've known a lot of puas and all of them were former betas but none of them took a bunch of pictures of women just so they could brag about it.

[–]Keninishna 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I was at that point one time in my life, a 25 year old virgin and recently got a pretty bad rejection. I didn't have any money at the time so Instead of killing myself, I decided to get help, I went to the mental hospital. I told the psychologist exactly my problem, I couldn't get laid and had so much pent up negative energy I was afraid what was going to happen. Bad bad bad idea, the psychologist would try to make me believe I was gay. They would also set up these interactions where a cute girl would literally test all my buttons to see if I was violent(I wasn't physically violent but if i was they would just throw me in jail). I did however get nurses fired as i convinced them to give me drugs I wasn't prescribed and lots of social workers I talked to would end up with red eyes on the brink of tears. I realized there that as a man you are alone in this world, there is no help. The schizophrenics there oddly enough would just give me pretty much redpill advice, "go lift" and basically exercise to use up that negative energy and to expect rejection from women.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Shrinks, cops, authorities, government, will NEVER help you. Never talk to them or ask them for help.

[–]antidoxdevice 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Bad bad bad idea, the psychologist would try to make me believe I was gay. They would also set up these interactions where a cute girl would literally test all my buttons to see if I was violent(I wasn't physically violent but if i was they would just throw me in jail).

Holy fuck lol wut?

social workers I talked to would end up with red eyes on the brink of tears

Why?

Have you written much about this before? Sounds interesting.

Also how old are you know and do you get laid?

[–]Keninishna 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well I have to say the universe kind of does fuck with me, after I got out of the mental hospital I got a job working for the government and got a top secret clearance and realized people are more paranoid than I am lol then I finally lost my v-card to a pretty cute 30 yr old married chick then I started banging some pretty hot 20 year old girls. I've been dry though lately and havent got laid in about 2 years although I did date some strippers. I did spend a ton of money on them but I made a bunch of money off bitcoins at the time about 30k. I would still get drunk and get some pretty bad mood swings and got a DWI.

Have you written much about this before? Sounds interesting. Also how old are you know and do you get laid?

I havent written much about it before, the schizophrenics were definitely the most interesting part as they were actually really good therapist lol. They were pretty good at reading body language and mood and even my thought patterns.

I'm 30 now, although I'm kind of back at square one trying to get laid again. I still feel like I'm emotionally cripple because I've only had sex a dozen times with a couple women, while most my friends my age have had lots of serious LTRs and married and kids etc. Although this does make me different than most people I feel like and I'm a bit more sociopathic and work for the government elite.

I can write more details about my time in the mental hospital if you want to read it. Some of it probably won't make sense but it might be interesting.

[–]FitVaper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I havent written much about it before, the schizophrenics were definitely the most interesting part as they were actually really good therapist lol.

I can write more details about my time in the mental hospital if you want to read it. Some of it probably won't make sense but it might be interesting.

Could you please expand this? Schizophrenics are very interesting and I would like to know your experience when dealing with them, what do they talk about? What did they say to you? Thanks!

[–]Keninishna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were two main ones that I talked to at the time I was there and maybe a few others I'm not sure of what peoples diagnoses were or if they lied or whatever. The two I did talk to were on anti-psychotics, Geodon and something else I forget. The first one I met was my roomate who was basically new to his mental condition. The second guy had been in the mental hospital for years as far as I knew and had transferred between hospitals and the doctors gave him a somewhat helping position. When I first got there I was highly paranoid like out of my mind and he was helpful directing my thoughts, he told me not to say "I think" out loud and just have normal convo instead. We had these circular conversations where he would say things like "this is pretty much the same thing as a jail" and "I wish I had a playstation". He would say other things too like "you should of just got the anti-psychotics online and not came here" which makes sense because being locked up in a psych ward is not good. He would then analyse my behavior patterns through this circular dialog we had and he would say things like "this isn't right" and say what he had said about a minute ago and showed me an expression I had that I was thinking about. It was some thought pattern my mind would subconsciously hide from me and I had no idea. We did this for a few hours and he would ask me about different behavior patterns I had like that I used to pick up girls, I would be thinking about pickup and state control and he would say "where did you learn that at? a bar?" I would tell him I learned it from friends. We continued to do this and he would dig through my thoughts and I just started crying uncontrollably, I had no idea why I wasn't thinking anything stressful or sad particularly at the moment and he said "don't worry about it man girls do that shit all the time" I don't know what he was referring to then but I assume it was some sort of psychological scarring a girl had done to me. I would help him out in turn as well although I knew nothing about the guy but other than his mind was segmented so I could provide him with some continuity. He would be very afraid to interact with other people and do much but I did get him to go outside and play some basketball instead of being in some mind loop all day and later his mind did thank me he said "that helped" referring to playing basketball. The funny thing is he was a black dude named Michael Johnson.

Second guy was the older more experienced schizo. I was psychotically breaking down like I felt connected to everything and all the emotional strings in society were visible before me and I had desecrated the emotional lines for love and I was doomed to die and not just me because I was connected to everyone most people would die as well (idk I was crazy at the time but that's what I thought). So the schizo guy talks to me and basically reads my mind and says that its all over tv and the news and that Obama is looking for me and that people are whispering my name under their breath (I was terrified to watch tv at this point). He mentions that there is someone aggressive in my mind, the only person I could think of was my player friend helping me out doing approaches and stuff which is weird cause the psychologist later mentioned the same thing. The schizo then says something about a shotgun being shot at me with a loud explosion, I tell him its not good because of the people I'm connected to will suffer so he reverses the thought and the shotgun is pointed outwards (I guess this a metaphor for emotional pain weather I commit suicide or delegate the suffering to other people) He tells me I should workout and lift weights to rid of the excess negative energy he also somehow takes my anger and gives it to other people in the hospital one big Hispanic dude who was there on court charges he had him like doing push ups and stuff although the dude was really scary after I never knew if he was going to fight me. Paranoia can make friends into enemies real fast. Anyways I bring my roommate over to him and he reads his thoughts and tells him that the antipsychotics will flatten out his mind over time (his mind was fragmented) and then told him something personal about himself like his two friends that were fighting each other or something I have no idea. But my roommate was like do not trust this guy, which I understand because I didn't trust him at first either but I dunno he seemed to be helping me. The guy then tells me how he can still communicate to his ex wife mentally using his mind and he was giving me some advice on pickup like expect rejection and go for it anyways. He believed he was being kept in the mental hospital because society would not be able to handle him and his mind which is somewhat true because he knew when I was lying about things and would call me out on it. Like I would say something like "oh I don't remember" and he would somehow prove my memory was fine and I would try to pacify him by saying he was a good guy and give him that role but he would go on to say how he was a great little league coach and to watch out for really fast pitches that would hurt if I got hit. I'd look to my schizo roomate for help on dealing with this guy and he was pretty neutral on the whole thing and he would call him out on it as well. The next day he somewhat singles me out in a group and tells me to shut my mouth, so I'm like OK? I'm not gonna tell anyone anything anyways? but it pretty much makes me feel stifled and inhibited. The psychologist then has group counseling and he asks this older lady what she feels from me and she says "his mouth is wired shut" (the psychologist prolly knows whats up) so hes like ok then hes like what else and she says there is some pain and asks me where it came from and I say I think someone else put it there and she says she cannot determine further without more context. The psychologist actually stops the group session there because he is afraid of me having a seizure, although I've never had one in my life? but my mind was warping pretty bad at this point trying to make sense of wtf was going on. The rest of the time the schizo guy would no longer talk to me because I may have done something or he thinks I did something to betray him, what I think happened was he wasn't suppose to be talking to me and giving me ideas/help or whatever without the psychologist knowing first and the psychologist found out later without even asking me(the schizo thought I told on him) and demoted his responsibilities or something. Some people were normalish though I met one woman who was nice she was in there because she overdosed on her adderall. Some other guys were in there I'm not sure why but it seemed like they did a lot of acid and were always laughing. Some people never came out of their rooms and just slept all the time. One guy was a normalish guy just depressive. There were some nuts though this one big black dude was always mumbling and screaming and laughing and he would repeat "red red red" over and over again whenever someone had a stupid/crazy thought we would refer to that guy.

Anyways it seems like the poor people that are stuck in there pick up and learn the shit the psychologist do to them and use it to manipulate others as well.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The schizophrenics there oddly enough would just give me pretty much redpill advice

Schizo's don't fuck around and are intense. They probably have nothing to lose socially. And they probably lost many women due to psychotic moments that they understand that women don't appreciate weakness.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of coke, but I do support banging hookers. Sex is the most natural and healthy thing that money can buy. Banging hookers is what you really call getting high on life.

P.S. like another poster said, I don't think Elliot Rodger was a psychopath. If he had been a psychopath he would've probably had lots of women, because women are attracted to those types of men. Psychopathic women killers are more likely to lure women into their cars, hotels, or homes and then murder these women.

[–]alpha_i 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I attempted suicide twice because of a severe case of oneitis. Of course that was 10 years before I discovered TRP principles. After that, I continued to try to be the perfect beta bitch boyfriend to whatever girl would have me. Thank God for the Red Pill - not only has it helped me with depression, it's the self-improvement part that is really more important than getting pussy. (The pussy is a side benefit).

[–]Masonjarteadrinker2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel so much better after finding TRP as well, it's like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and I no longer put so much importance on a specific woman which lets me relax.

[–]phil_mcrevis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Similar story. Oneitis drove me to nearly attempt it. I slowly got better but I didn't REALLY get better until I found this sub and did a lot of thinking. Not sure if it was that or other life changes but the level to which TRP has helped me can't be understated....

[–]HalfAsianBob 16 points17 points  (39 children)

It will get old and he'll probably wind up doing if. Depression is one thing that can't really be negotiated with, only postponed. Unless he plans on fucking hookers and becoming a drug addict for the rest of his life he's gonna have a rough time.

I think ER's problem was that he couldn't find love / affection / sex, not just sex. Most guys are okay with hookers but at the end of the day some guys really just want to be loved, maybe in the same way his mother didn't love him. The realization that women are incapable of love is what drives a lot of men over the edge.

That's why the number one thing you can teach your son is that life should be about himself, not about women. That's something my dad never taught me. He based his entire existence around my whore of a mother.

[–]RedPill115[S] 10 points11 points  (36 children)

You could read the actual article, and the only it links to. He talks about how it didn't cure his depression, but it did motivate him to take the steps to get out of his depression.

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    [–]foolery 4 points5 points  (34 children)

    Jesus dude. You have got to let yourself hit rock bottom. That's what this guy was doing. It's what I did when I just let my depression take my emotions before it took my body. What you discover is that your brain is part of your body and you can totally bend your own body to your will. The thing about suicide is if you can do something to yourself that's that counter to what your lizard brain wants then you can do anything else too. Like destroy depression, or write a book, or pick up chicks. I think depression is a modern manhood ritual.

    [–]lolthr0w -2 points-1 points  (33 children)

    I think depression is a modern manhood ritual.

    Or maybe you have a genetic predisposition exacerbated by a vitamin D deficiency. You are clearly not a psychologist.

    [–]Rfvthn 3 points4 points  (25 children)

    Oh and you are ? Glad you met with the guy and are the master of mental illness diagnostics

    [–]MagnanimousGenius 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Or maybe you have a genetic predisposition exacerbated by a vitamin D deficiency. You are clearly not a psychologist.

    Psychology is not a science and should be taken with a grain of salt

    And isn't what you describe closer to the realm of neuroscience?

    [–]Rfvthn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Uhh.. once again I'm quoted as saying something I did not say

    [–]lolthr0w -2 points-1 points  (22 children)

    I think depression is a modern manhood ritual.

    I don't have to. He already said he doesn't believe depression is actually a mental illness, what else is there to say?

    That's "vaccines cause autism" level of ignorance.

    [–]foolery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    "Things can only be themselves, truth is absolute, poetry is stupid"

    [–]Rfvthn 0 points1 point  (20 children)

    He actually didn't say that.

    I think he is referring to depression as in the period of sadness some people go through and not an actual illness that people fight all their lives with medication and therapy.

    This is just speculation, as I consider it rude to assume I automatically know what isn't plainly said..

    [–]foolery 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I am convinced that depression is over diagnosed for some and under diagnosed for others. I suspect many things prescribed for depression are limited and ineffective in the long term.

    I think depression is probably used too broadly because it looks like there's chemical depression and situational depression, and OP's story CLEARLY is about the latter. I suspect that one can feed the other, and because of that I am reluctant to call one "depression" and the other "a period of sadness".

    I think people have a lot of control over the way they think even before they get into supplements and fresh air and sunshine. But then again, I'm full of shit because I self-medicate with weed.

    I suspect that most forms of depression are either not permanent or are manageable with proper application of will with minimal emergency help from medication. I suspect the mental health community creates new named neuroses and broadens their definitions to relabel as permanent disorders what would once have been called defective personality traits to create a kind of dependence on the mental health community. I am convinced that personality is mutable.

    [–]Rfvthn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Well put, I agree on the situational and chemical differences as well. The entire scope of what falls under depression is vast, complex and still not completely understood.

    I wish you luck with your journey on depression, I also self medicated at one point. Hopefully you've got a good vaporizer? Your lungs will thank you.

    [–]lolthr0w -1 points0 points  (16 children)

    I think he is referring to depression as in the period of sadness some people go through and not an actual illness

    That is a real problem. Depression is a mental illness, using that word as a synonym for "sad" with the word "suicide" in the same post is utterly ridiculous.

    I consider it rude

    And I consider it rude to be so flippant about issues like suicide and what is a mental illness, assume he does know it is a mental illness, in a ridiculous c'est la vie manner.

    [–]Rfvthn 1 point2 points  (15 children)

    Hey, I already made the distinction and I also would rather people use it correctly. But I'm not some butthurt tumblrfag who's gonna get upset if someone doesn't use my preferred terminology. (Plus size =/= fat) We all know the score and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    I also happen to suffer from depression and it's stigma, my self harm and suicide attempts are plain to see. What most successful suffers find out is that you do have some power to not let things get to you. When everything is going to hell in a hand basket atleast mentally, on a daily basis, who the fuck cares about the small stuff. You'd be flippant too. Just to get by. And really, what is the use of your anger and rudeness? Does it make your point anymore heard? Nope. Just makes you look like a jackass.

    [–]foolery 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Too late now, I have a solution that's surprisingly sturdy but sees meaning in nonsense, and honestly, it's fun to play this kind of head game with myself. But thanks for the advice delivered in a dickish manner, I'll go see if there's a convenience store nearby that sells vitamin D supplements.

    [–]oldmanwho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    right here: the anatomy of how to sell fool's gold to fools. you go buy your vitamins, foolerybro. pick up some fishoil while you're at it.

    outspoken idiots so sure in their way of life, their convictions unyielding, convince a depressed man that they know what's best, though not by evidence (that would be an impossible feat), but by the depressed man yielding once more to others. add some magical words that everyone defines their own way, and presto - a sale is born. doesn't solve the depressed man's problems, and yet he wonders why he's depressed.

    here's what you need to know about trying to learn about vitD: it's a direct nuclear interprocess signaling hormone, of the steroid class, that is part of the tightly regulated stress effect regulation system: calcium, phosphate, bacterial infection control, skin tanning, blood pressure, kidney sugar stuff, and other trailing unmapped poor understandings. pretty clear, right? the problems of isolating a single hormone in a never ending cascade of trillions of interacting cells in an ever changing environment. news at 11.

    what we do know about vitD: at best it is a trailing indicator of calcium deficiency, bacterial infection, and/or cellular damage. got rickets/bacteremia/skin cancer? then you'll most likely have elevated vitD levels. got elevated vitD levels? then you're either a gullible vitamin-popping fuck-nut homeopath/allopath/supplement worshiper, or much more rarely, you've got rickets/bacteremia/skin cancer.

    what vitD is not: it is peripheral chemical control, not central, and not inter-neuron. vitD does not effect brain happiness chemistry. it does not fight cancer, though it some times indicates certain types of cancer. it does not make you healthy, though it is involved the minor dynamics of homeostasis. it's absence will kill children, but it's presence won't save said children from the growing realization that they are tools for their monster mother's happiness and the inevitable depression that follows when said tools grow up and are discarded for a new vibrator - bought with govt subsidized child extortion money that they'll pay taxes for, no less.

    take vitD. it makes no physiologic difference. it won't make you any more or less healthy. it won't make you any more or less depressed. but for a transient period, you'll believe otherwise, and your own self prophecy that success is but a pill away will spur you out of depression. and isn't that placebo what you were really sold here today? it was what you were really looking for, and you found it.

    [edit] in retrospect, i realize your sarcasm flew over my head. fuck.

    [–]lolthr0w 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Just ask your doctor for a copy of your blood test results at your annual checkup, or specifically request a test for vitamin deficiency.

    Over-supplementation is usually not much of an issue at reasonable doses, but I would still recommend you consult with your primary care physician about it.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, it might or might not be a good idea to avoid the ones that contain soybean oil in the ingredients list. There is some debate about that.

    [–]foolery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Great, now people are down voting you and not your words. this^ is solid advice, people. Furthermore I recognize and respect lolthr0w and we're not here to tone police.

    [–]icallmyselfmonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'll give you an upvote to equalize the down votes. There is more at play when it comes to depression, its even seasonal. I do notice S.A.D. hell, I have been chemically altering my brain out of depression for years.

    There is a genetic component and it also affects more intelligent people. Maybe its a consequence of being a realist(I would say that realism tends towards pessimism).

    The furthest I ever escaped from my depression was when I lost about 40 lbs, and couldn't give a fuck about anything else but doing things for my best interests.

    [–]DoctorWelch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Psychology is simply professionally recognized pseudo-science. Pretty much any categorization or diagnosis by such could be completely false.

    Now, neuroscience on the other hand, is actually based in data and falsifiable hypothesis.

    [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    it wasnt a long term thing, and hes been around for 6 years since, I'm sure he's fine

    [–]DoctorWelch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I completely disagree that depression is non-negotiable. There is no scientific backing to say that a person's perspective can't change their brain in a way that makes them overcome any kind of chemical imbalance (if this is what even causes depression in the first place which is up for debate) or overcome depression.

    It is simply an excuse. Everyone wants something to fall back on so they don't have to deal with failure or their shitty life.

    [–]Baylien2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This sounds like the plot of an oscar winning movie

    [–]DarkCircle 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I do not know about Elliot Rogers (the guy was a psycho) but if you are in the pit of depression, the thought of blow and women is not at all alluring. Nothing is. You just want everything to end.

    [–]HalfAsianBob 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    Yeah, this. Depression won't go away with drugs and busting a nut. It's just postponed. Take it from someone with serious depression and who is legitimately suicidal.

    People need to stop demonizing suicide and depression. It's got a genetic component that won't go away with medication. I looked up my family history and on my father's side, my grandma was the only child of her mother and father; her father was the only child born from 9 siblings. The other 8 died alone and childless. They were extremely antisocial and just didn't' want to be a part of life. My mother was also depressed and mentally ill, so I got the worst of it.

    Life is rough on different people and it's impossible to judge a man until you really have spent a few days in his shoes. Some people simply do not feel like being a part of all this. In the deepest parts of depression there is simply nothing that interests you. It feels like you're just passing time until you die.

    [–]jsalathe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I kicked myself out of depression a few times with judicious use of hallucinogens (shrooms or, with some experience, LSD) with people who were willing and able to help me "guide" me through the experience.

    It's too bad we have this futile drug war.

    [–]thisjibberjabber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've read there is some preliminary evidence that micro-dosing on shrooms can reduce depression. That is daily doses at a level that does not produce impairment or hallucinations. Seems like little downside to trying it, other than the legal risk.

    [–]DarkCircle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yep. That's me. When I have had moments of non depression, I thought the same as OP. Just head to Brazil, do drugs, bang the hottest women then end it. Then when I became depressed again, I just wanted to die. Nothing feels good and I just did not care about the regular stuff that people think I should care about.

    [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    thats what the guy said, he leaves out parts of the story where his family intervened as well

    [–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    From the editor of the article:

    Personally speaking, after a week filled with cocaine and sex with Mexican prostitutes, I’d descend into a deep, dark state of depression from the effects of my moral hangover. I’m glad it worked for this guy, though.

    When you're that low in life going to immoral lows somehow actually has the reverse effect. But if you have a holier-than-thou attitude then yes banging filthy whores and doing hard drugs for several days in a row will make you feel dirty and possibly depressed.

    [–]ilirm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Can confirm, hookers and blow makes you feel really really great.

    [–]phil619 9 points10 points  (8 children)

    I am mexican and whorehouses here are common. Woman will do anything for the dollar, and I mean anything.Heck you do not even need game, looks or muscles. Just dollars.

    [–]MayorMoonbeam 45 points46 points  (0 children)

    Well that's kind of how prostitution works, yeah...

    [–]bilbuthehobbit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    a hooker who looks for aesthetics will starve instantly..........

    [–]TheRealMewt 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    How's that different from any other brothel?

    [–]TekkomanKingz 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    American escorts usually have "rules" and "standards"...

    [–]MyDarkSideOfTheMoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    American prostitutes(the legal ones in NV) are as expensive as shit. And have rules and what not.

    [–]BRENDORVEGAS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Being depressed in my early 20's, I did something similar. I went to Amsterdam for 5 days and partied , banged 5 hookers, and smoked as much weed is I possibly could. Vices aside, I met enough interesting and positive people that convinced me to stop being such a shit head and enjoy life.

    Now that $5000 credit card bill....well I'd say it was worth it

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Funny how living can make you want to go on living.

    I.e. live more.

    [–]carpaltaser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Just as a real quick aside, you can think whatever you want about this topic, and there are definitely some impactful lessons to be learned from a story like this, I would agree there is some merit in a person becoming suicidal and taking that as an opportunity to live life without fear.

    But by all means, do not start going to r/suicidewatch or something and just start advocating fucking prostitutes and doing drugs to those people. Depression is a serious and complex issue, it takes a little more than a rush of endorphins to cure.

    [–]we_r_legun1993 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Please stop. Rodgers was batshit insane and refused to take his medication. He came from a broken home with an abusive stepmother and a neglectful father. I highly doubt that coke and whores would have solved his problems.

    [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    YES, THANK YOU!...

    This is exactly what you do with a pussy that is tired of life. YOU SHOW HIM WHAT LIFE ACTUALLY IS!

    You can't be depressed while doing coke, you can't be depressed while dancing on MDMA and you can't take life seriously while high on acid.

    I do advocate for doing cocaine. Learn what being a alpha feels like(it doesn make you one, but it gives you a peak behind the curtains). I do advocate doing MDMA, learn what your body is capable of feeling and how limited your perception of the world is if you are stuck in your depressed pussy/beta paradigm seeing everything trough a beta filter.

    Note, this is a experiment to open your mind to what is possible, like vegas, cocaine is highly addictive and addiction is a pussy trap. Most betas already have almost no control of their life, so you could end up fucking yourself over hard.

    The blue pillers will scream at the top of their lungs that that is horrble and that you should send him to terapy, a man should love his pathetic life. And if he doesn't he needs to be sedated and medicated out of his mind, because a zombie is better than a autonomous human being. Here is the deal.

    This shit scares them worse than suicide, because suicide is a valid option in their world view, not obeying and actually living just blows their mind, it's a notion that threatens the system at a fundamental level and if such a glitch can exist, their whole world view is invalidated.

    [–]ekayze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    what this guy says. It gives you another perspective on life which can help you decided on your 'final decision'. Like what the mexican trip did for the guy... decided there was more to life than what is currently making him depressed. might as well die depressed whilst having the experience of doing everything than dying depressed with limited experience.

    [–]HappyNacho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is like one of the "One thing I need to do before I die".

    However, I think it's a little different from Elliot Rogers, since his problem was with women and this dude was in depression, but nonetheless I could have helped him not to kill 6 people.

    If you ever plan to come to Mexico I or /u/RojoEscarlata can give some tips.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I am extremely jealous of his near death experience.

    [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He did his AMA here on Reddit.

    [–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    ... Or if you're planning to murder. Whilst I agree noone is "entitled" to sex, I'd rather they get some entitlement sex than go on a killing spree. A lonely and angry man (usually unsexed) is a dangerous thing

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    Elliot Rodgers thing - he was a psychopath

    He wasn't a psychopath. If he was a psychopath he wudnt have cared about if he got girls or not. psychopaths lack emotion. Rodgers was too emotional.

    [–]RedPill115[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    There is some debate on what these terms mean, but I do not agree with you at all.

    The key to a psychopath is a lack of empathy, not a lack of emotion. There is a huge difference between someone who does not feel at all, vs someone who only does not feel others emotions.

    Past that, there is a more informal definition between sociopath and psychopath, where a sociopath is someone who doesn't feel empathetic and social emotions (they may or may not have their own emotions), but largely still just acts normally in society. Whereas a psychopath is someone similar but who acts out and actually does harm to other people as a result.

    If you have a link to other definitions, let me know, but I don't agree with the above.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    The study of the psychopath reveals an individual who is incapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong but dismiss it as applying to them. They are incapable of normal emotions such as love, generally react without considering the consequences of their actions and show extreme egocentric and narcissistic behavior.

    Elliot felt love, wanted to love, and wanted to be loved by a girl

    He felt he was denied love from opposite sex no matter how hard he tried. He wasnt narcissistic at all. If he was, he would be more concerned about himself and not care about getting an opportunity to love a girl. He was too emotional. Psychopaths are calm and collected. The persona he put on youtube was rehearsed btw. That wasnt his actual personality. People who knew him knew him as a shy, polite, and quiet guy

    The difference between sociopath and psychopath:

    Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned. Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

    Rodgers was neither sociopath nor psychopath.

    [–]RedPill115[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    That is the opposite of most definitions of a sociopath that I've seen. Where did you get that from?

    My definition was from wikipedia. Like I said though, the word is still somewhat ambiguous, it keeps being used in wildly different ways.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Where did you get that from?

    Phsycology Today and a crime site. Its linked there on my comment.

    And wikipedia is real murky about emotions and psycopaths

    [–]RedPill115[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Oh, I didn't realize you linked the text itself.

    Your second link, though, is not an official definition, but one persons opinion of a definition:

    Many forensic psychologists, psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms sociopathy and psychopathy interchangeably. Leading experts disagree on whether there are meaningful differences between the two conditions. I contend that there are clear and significant distinctions between them.

    Like I said, the exact definitions are fuzzy - that's kinda what even that author is setting their article up with. The author refers to definitions that are more like what's on wikipedia before declaring he thinks they should be different.

    The definition of someone who's nervous and easily agitated clashes with another common definition of a sociopath that matches more with the kind of people you find running corporations.

    Other definitions I've read would say that that authors "sociopath" is what others call a "narcissist", and what that author calls a "psychopath" others would call a sociopath, except without the emphasis on violence - a lack of empathy and/or emotion. Because sociopaths are often more likely to be con artists than they are to be violent - there is little benefit to being violent in our society. There is far great benefit to be had in manipulating people into giving you their money than their is in beating them up for it.

    And that leaves the term "psychopath" to describe people who have a mental issue that causes them to become violent.

    My problem with a definition that tries to say that psychopaths don't have emotions, is that it rarely to never makes sense for someone with no emotions to go on a killing spree. Why would they? It's high risk, and little to no gain. You might find a couple of exceptions here and there - like a well paid mob hitman. But the kind of people who go on a killing spree? The kind of serial killers the author talks about at the end of the article? The author mentions "Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill" or BTK)" - they have to be getting some sort of emotional response out of it, or they would have no motivation to do it repeatedly over and over again.

    [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    they have to be getting some sort of emotional response out of it, or they would have no motivation to do it repeatedly over and over again.

    Thats true. I see how it makes sense. But I don't think Elliot Rodgers actually enjoyed killing those people. His problem was more out of desperation than out of the enjoyment of killing people.

    [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My point is that Elliot Rodgers was definitely not the cold blooded killer the media says he was. He was just a desperate virgin who had had enough. If anything, he should be pitied.

    [–]tymet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is such an uplifting story

    [–]Subtletorious -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

    Who is this Elliot Rodgers you are all talking about?

    [–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The Internet decided at some point that that's the correct spelling of his name.

    [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Upvote because Elliot Rodgers isn't a thing. Elliot Rodger is (or was) a thing.

    [–]SemenMoustache -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Does it really make the slightest difference? You may have missed that mod post from yesterday.

    [–]GregariousWolf -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    I know this is a serious-ish sub, but I can't help but chuckle at hookers and blow as a cure for depression.

    [–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The guy from the story said how this hasn't cured him from depression, it only stopped him from ending his life.

    Personally, I think it could indirectly cure depression. If you manage to turn your life in a whole new direction like this guy did, and then suddenly get the ball rolling in the right, healthy direction, you might eventually find yourself feeling much better bout life.

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      [–]HalfAsianBob -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The moment you really look death in the face and admit that you can take your own life when you want, on your own terms, is when you start to enjoy what you can out of this terrible fucking existence.

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