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    [–]1NPIF 18 points19 points  (26 children)

    There's some validity in everyone's gripes about TO but to be frank, if you're constantly striving to improve your game you can do very well in this city. I am 26 and live in TO. In the last two years I have had the following successes: 1. 29 new lays, few of which were ONS 2. 3 threesomes with new girls each time 3. No fewer than 3 plates at any given time 4. Countless number closes and k closes 5. I have refined first date game down to a science, and get first date sex with a .950 batting average 6. I am contacted by women pursuing ME at least once every few weeks through FB

    Why have I been successful? Abundance mentality, going out regularly, hitting the gym 5x a week and having good nutrition, being career driven, working on my tinder game and seriously not giving a fuck about walking away. If I had to count how many girls have come back seeking my attention after I dropped them through a soft next I honestly could not.

    Yes Toronto is not the best city for guys but if you live here it's on you to max out your SMV and stop making excuses. The 80/20 rule still applies. Become the man every woman wants to fuck and watch how much easier it gets. There's nobody standing in your way but you and your own bullshit as to why you can't succeed. Man the fuck up.

    [–]yummyluckycharms 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    As someone who travels and stays frequently in New york, paris, and such, the reason why toronto is continually rated such a piss poor place for guys is that the amount of effort required to score there is much, much higher than elsewhere.

    Is it easy to score in toronto when you have: a nice car, drugs, good career, good condo, and being muscular? Of course, fucking hitler could slay here if he had that. But 99% of men, dont have that and this is probably why toronto was the birthplace of pua.

    [–]1tombreck2 3 points4 points  (7 children)

    Out of curiousity:

    1. Where are you meeting the girls (bar, online, day game, etc.)

    2. How much time do you spend gaming per week

    3. What's your first date science

    [–]1NPIF 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    1. Most of the women I meet through Tinder. I use an auto-liking app which likes all profiles within a 60km radius and within an age range that I determine. I then select women from matching profiles that I'm interested in. If I have 100 matches, I'm selecting 6-10 to actively pursue. I regularly delete my profile and start fresh with new pictures to refresh my opportunities for new matches.

    2. I spend a lot of my time talking to women but I enjoy the chase. I'm really good at it so it's become my main relaxation activity, gaming girls over text. I still lift, work, cook, do chores, etc. So it does not eat up all of my free time.

    3. Closing on first dates is easy if you have a plan. I always select the location on my dates, so in Toronto I generally pick the Ballroom Bowl on Richmond St. With pool, bowling, bars, live music, foosball, and ping pong, it's literally the most fun first date location in this city.

    I start each date by meeting her in the lobby, and then taking her upstairs to the bar. We sit, have a couple drinks, get some conversation going and light kino. Once the vibe is good I always suggest foosball. We'll play a game, I'll tease her, but I'll win, so I can suggest teaching her some tricks. I move in behind her, and actively show her with my hands on hers and my chest to her back how to play. Because I am a large and muscular guy I envelop them when I do this. After the second game, I always go for the kiss. Once the first kiss is done, you can freely make out with her the rest of the night. More drinks, play some more games, heavier kino, and then it's time to change locations.

    I always ask the same question: "do you like wine?" Naturally the answer is always yes. Here's where I tell them my family makes wine, which is true. I invite her back to my place for a little wine and Mary-Jane and wouldn't you know it, they always agree.

    I drive a nice car so at this point she's in the whip and we're heading to my place. Further status enhancement. We get to my building. Brand new condo. Further status enhancement. By the time we get upstairs the deal is already closed.

    Women know if they're coming home with you that they might have sex. I establish my dominance early and often and demonstrate significant value through the evening. If you can hold conversation, aren't afraid of touch, and are willing to embrace your own sexuality, you will find this game is not very hard to play.

    [–]rocketskates84 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    1. Most of the women I meet through Tinder. I use an auto-liking app which likes all profiles within a 60km radius and within an age range that I determine. I then select women from matching profiles that I'm interested in.

    You cheating fuck. You brilliant cheating fuck! Seriously, thanks for the tip. Game-changer.

    [–]tenientj 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    And this, is the problem with Toronto. Great if you're upper middle class, but for the rest or aspiring it's a soul crushing grind. Every playboy in town is either milking the family status, or is willing to go into extreme depths of financial debt to present a status.

    [–]1NPIF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Before I found success I was "aspiring" too. In fact, at 26, I'm still "aspiring" to achieve much more. I live within my means, and I don't come from money, so everything I have I earned and it is all sustainable.

    If you want something, go chase it. That's the bottom line. You get nowhere by whining about it being a grind, just accept that it is and start grinding. Nothing in life that's worth having ever came easy. The question is, are you going to go take what you want or are you going to sit on TRP and complain about how hard it is?

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      [–]1NPIF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Actually completely off base. 6', Mediterranean background, rugged type of handsome. Beard (if you can grow a beard do it, you now look like a man). The girls I date are generally white, or middle eastern, or Eastern European.

      [–]kratol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So how do you deal with objections about driving with you and her car? Can they leave it overnight? Do they drive sometimes with you in their car separately? How far of a drive is it?

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        [–]lordofthejelly 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Many people who move to toronto have an superiority complex. They all believe they are special snowflake.

        What I hear you saying is, it's the Portland of Canada.

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            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Ultimately we're all about maximizing our odds. I've had a fair amount of success in this city too, but it's ultimately much harder than virtually anywhere else. The same amount of effort into working out, being outcome independent, and generally being a high SMV man goes so much further just about anywhere else.

            Why hang around Toronto if you don't have to?

            [–]1NPIF 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Can't move right now- the dream is Miami, but I can't exactly drop a six figure gig at my age. I also bought a condo last year, so the plan is kill it here til I get my MBA and can move to a warmer climate with a solid job market.

            [–]kratol 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            How about new york? You said MBA and 6 figures, so I'm guessing finance of some sort?

            [–]1NPIF 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I honestly love NYC and my family is from there. I feel right at home in Brooklyn and Manhattan and would live there in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the fucking snow. I hate snow with a passion and would rather live in MIA and visit NYC during the summers.

            In terms of my career, I am in software sales. The MBA hasn't arrived yet but I plan to study strategic management.

            [–]kratol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Well new york might be an easier stepping stone than miami for example. You'll get far higher pay and you can use it to get a US green card.

            If your in software sales, why not the SF bay area where its pretty much 15-30C year round, and most of the time 22C? Yeah it's full of geeks but if your good enough with toronto, you'll be good enough with SF.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Very solid post and mirrors what a lot of the RP community thinks.

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            [–]isactuallyspiderman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            damn you're like a genuine man whore

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              [–]tenientj 25 points26 points  (19 children)

              I live in Toronto, and big city life is overrated. The Greater Toronto Area has a population of about 6 million people. I will say that 300,000-600,000 is the ideal population size of where someone should live. It is extremely competitive in big cities, and the fruits of the competition are not worth the effort. Rather than moving to a big city, I would advise you aim at being able to be mobile, and having the freedom to live in different places around the world at your whim.

              [–]HauntedBeepers 9 points10 points  (5 children)

              It is extremely competitive in big cities, and the fruits of the competition are not worth the effort.

              Totally disagree. Moving from a small town into a big city did wonders for me. Imo there's more competition in small towns because there's a less amount of attractive women in general.

              [–]lordofthejelly 8 points9 points  (3 children)

              I completely agree. In a small town, you're a hell of a lot more constrained.

              1. The population is far less mobile
              2. The population is (generally) considerably older.
              3. Everyone knows everyone else
              4. Everyone is fat

              In short, your ability to make an ass of yourself by approaching and approaching until you get it right is severely constrained by the fact that everyone knows each other and you get a reputation. And since everyone there has lived there for decades, no one moves away and no one moves in, that rep will follow you for decades.

              In addition, your ability to "next" is also severely constrained by the reputation issue...not to mention the fact that you might only be able to "next" a few times until the only ones left look like walruses or manatees.

              [–]carnivoracious 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              What's a small town in your view?

              My town is less than 400,000 people. Would you personally call that a small town?

              [–]Ebenezer_Wurstphal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              more or less a small city. The socializing scene population is small enough that you'll see the same faces in the small row of clubs in a city of that size every weekend.

              [–]lordofthejelly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              That's a really good question...made me realize that I had never thought about it too much, considering that I grew up in a town of 2000 people.

              So, I'm throwing this set of parameters out there for critique as to what constitutes a "small town." I think in many ways its more cultural than numeric

              1. Relatively isolated. It doesn't count as a "small town" if it's still a suburb of a major metropolitan area.

                For example, compare Trenton, NJ and Medford, OR. Roughly similar population, but Trenton is on the eastern seaboard and is an outlying suburb of New York. Medford is the middle of butt-fuck nowhere.

                Medford is a "small town", Trenton isn't.

              2. A fixed population. People are born there, stay there, marry a local girl, raise their kids there, die there. Not many people move in, not many people move out.

              3. In terms of numbers, I'd say roughly 500K maximum, and that's for the entire metro area, and assuming that points #1 and #2 both hold. Spokane and Boise both come to mind.

              [–]rocketskates84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is an interesting distinction. I grew up in a tiny town but less than an hour away from Boston. Basically inside metro Boston. I never felt trapped per second, yet I am very familiar with both worlds. But if you are taking about a small town hours away from urban life then yes, I can only imagine how bad that blows.

              [–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Indeed. With the cost of living & competition for jobs I would need to work twice as hard and triple my income... just to BREAK EVEN moving to Toronto from where I am now. Now that's absurd. I'm not going to work 20 hours a week more, double my over-all effort in the job only to pay higher rent, higher taxes, lots of transportation cost PLUS many more hours lost ONLY to commuting all to finish every month, every year with... PRECISELY the same remaining cash as I have now.

              What the actual fuck.

              People don't do math on this stuff in advance then wonder why they're always chasing promotions, overtime, struggling to pay down debt, etc.

              Do the math & it actually turns out big cities at the best of times are often the worst places to live and in the worst of times it's catastrophe. Interruption to sewer, water grid, electricity - and core Toronto is FUCKED beyond belief. Smaller towns: frequently can turn to other sources for water, bury shit in the yard if the sewers were screwed, at least short-term, long-term if you have enough land, grow your own food, etc. No way I can grow my own food from a Toronto condo.

              Fuck that noise. With the way things are going now & heading for the next 20 years that's the last place I want to be and I don't like it precisely now before shit's hit the fan.

              [–]tenientj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Ding ding ding. You're busting your ASS off to barely scrape by. Montreal seems to be an exception, but the under 1mill population cities are the wise choice.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (5 children)

              It's more a Toronto problem than a big city problem. Metros definitely have their perks so long as they're not this particular one.

              [–]tenientj 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Toronto fucking sucks. Can't wait to be mobile.

              [–]rztzz 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              I still think medium sized cities are the way to go. I've lived in 5:

              New York (2 years) Boston (2 years) Chicago (1 year) Chapel Hill, NC (grew up) (population in metro area around 1,000,000) Portsmouth, NH (2 years) (population 100,000)

              I'd rather spend time in Chapel Hill or Portsmouth first, then Boston, and then New York or Chicago. Living in those big cities is not worth it after age 25.

              [–]rocketskates84 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              +1 Portsmouth. Beautiful city. So much potential. I currently live in Manchester. Same population, more industry, but nowhere near as cool.

              [–]Kingspot 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              if New York and Chicago are medium sized cities, what you consider a big city?

              [–]rztzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I mis worded that, I've lived in 5 cities, 3 big 2 medium

              [–]alpha_n3rd 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              fuck any city that would elect rob ford

              [–]8shark8 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              I actually liked having him around. He was the real life comic relief character.

              [–]alpha_n3rd -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

              yeah but unless he leaves town he'll still be around smoking crack and cursing about his enemies in wendy's at 3am.

              [–]Kelly_Gruber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Shitty human, good politician

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "Elect me and I'll get crackin'!"

              well... :)

              [–]1tombreck2 13 points14 points  (5 children)

              I'm considering a move to NYC without knowing anyone.

              My issue is that I'm 28 and most of my friends in my current town are settling (literally and figuratively) down and I only have a handful of quality single friends left.

              I'm concerned about making new, quality friends because I feel that they will already have their social circle and I wouldn't be providing people any value

              [–]hypergamy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              NYC always has a lot of people that are newish, recently arrived, and are looking to make new friends and connections. That being said, quality friends is another topic and probably harder to achieve there. What has led to the decision of NYC vs. some other largish city? Not knowing anyone when you move to a new place is a great thing. I did this myself ten years ago. It worked out well for me. It forces you to go out and make new connections. People that you actually want in your life vs, "the people you grew up with". Not telling anyone of your existing friends before hand, great move IMO. Telling people about big changes, like moving, often will cause issues, drama, problems. ...The stuff you are trying to get away from in some cases. You don't want a going away party, you just want to be in your new location. Tell them a week or two before move date as a courtesy, but do not include them in the decision making process unless you know 100% they will be supportive and have something to add. (e.g. they know a lot about the area, can you get you a job there, etc.)

              [–]icallmyselfmonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I moved country on average every 5 years since I was 18, now in my thirties. You'll be grand. The hardest move I ever have had to make was moving home and that worked itself out in the end.

              You are your own best friend, you'll get through it.

              [–]alpha_n3rd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Bring money. Unless you want to live in the ghetto.

              [–]TimPartendale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I lived in NYC for several years Tom and it's great. You can meet a lot of cool people/foreigners and the city is very vibrant. When you come, send me a PM and we'll shred Gotham together (barring that I'm not still in France). My folks got a place in Midtown Manhattan but I want to get my apartment when I return to the U.S.

              [–]HS-Thompson -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              It's the greatest city in the history of the world, what the fuck are you waiting for?

              [–]yummyluckycharms 5 points6 points  (17 children)

              Canadian men really do need to move if they are in central canada - if one looks at the demographical stats - many already have. Toronto is continually rated one of the worst shit holes on the planet for men - and its no wonder you moved to montreal -that place is like paradise.

              On the other hand, why didnt you move out west like so many others?

              Lastly, try to get to the states - it really is a great place to work - especially if you have a university education. Up in Canada, 75% has got post secondary, while in the states its 50% at best. Your degree will go ALOT farther than up in canada. The only trick is that its extremely hard for canadians to get a visa there - we are excluded from getting green cards, and at a price point wise, H1-B visas are hard as well. I've got a TN, which is the best option but very few occupations qualify for that. See the list and work towards getting into one of those.

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 12 points13 points  (12 children)

              The only trick is that its extremely hard for canadians to get a visa there - we are excluded from getting green cards, and at a price point wise, H1-B visas are hard as well.

              I don't get it. They block you guys from coming in yet Enrique can jump across the border and get full welfare for his kids in California whilst he mows lawns and Sandra stays at home with Pedro, Juanito, Enrique Jr., Alejandro and Anastasia.

              Mexico is far less similar to the states than Canada, so what gives?

              [–]tenientj 10 points11 points  (7 children)

              Mexicans supply cheap labour, Canadians do not.

              [–]elduckbell 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Canadians follow the rules, Mexicans do not.

              [–]ibuprofiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Also, Canada gives a shit about helping the US enforce the rules, while Mexico doesn't.

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Mexicans supply cheap labour, Canadians do not.

              Makes sense. Saying that doesn't all the welfare they claim kind of vitiate the cheap labour aspect though? I suppose big business has just lobbied government to indirectly subsidise them. Cheap labour for business whilst you, the taxpayer, forks up the cash for all their welfare benefits. Guess big business doesn't want that skilled Canuck labour - which ironically would be better for the country if job places aren't scarce seeing as they won't be whoring up the welfare system.

              [–]tenientj 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              With an increasingly technologically driven society, there is less need for "middle level" workers which is why Canuck labour isn't needed. Further, this is why you need to be excellent in today's job market. You either have an irreplaceable skillset, or your own business. Granted, if you're a top Canuck it's easy to get into the US, but US doesn't need any average Canucks.

              [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Many won't be able to claim welfare - depends on how much corruption takes place when looking for who's eligible, e.g., a citizen, whereas an agency not spending its budget will see that budget reduced so they have an incentive to hand out cash & look the other way.

              [–]Ebenezer_Wurstphal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              My girl is a French physics PhD and she has way too much trouble renewing her work visa.. the US doesn't have its priorities straight.

              [–]DisDumbNigga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Enrique isn't a threat to the labor force cause he doesn't have a degree, nor a work visa. Unless you provide cheap under the table labor, you're not really at risk. Robby McHoserpants from Canada is, however. Probably why they make it so hard on canucks

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Because the people in charge hate straight white men.

              [–]1mrust 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I'm sure you know this but for everyone else, TN visa ties you to the employer so there's no mobility. Also, university degree is mandatory as well as a job offer in hand. That said it's a piece of piss to get, just some paperwork at the border and a short interview.

              [–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              TN visas are easy to get, but the list of occupations for it, is pretty small. The other loophole refers to entertainers.

              So outside of TN and the Q1, canadians have to either marry an american or apply to h1bs. But which company is going to hire a canadian who wage demands are equivalent to an americans? not many unless its for a very niche industry

              [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I thought about moving west but I really didn't want to live in isolation or away from city life. I love cities, so inspiring.

              [–]Blaw40 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              I am looking forward to this series. I am also planning to make a big move soon to finally start my life.

              [–]joshsoowong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I as well will be looking forward to this series. This is really motivating for me because I want to travel and move to another city as well.

              [–]hitchens99 2 points3 points  (8 children)

              I don't speak French

              How did that work out for you? Apparently only half of the population is bilingual. I don't know how a city like that even functions.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              The bilingual population in Montreal is quite high. I'm fully fluent in French and they honestly never give me a chance to speak it there. They hear a hint of accent and they immediately swap to English.

              [–]Goupidan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              People who swap to accomodate are doing a huge disservice to the linguistic and cultural preservation of the French language in Montreal. Quite a shame to be so willing to gjve up the uniqueness of the city.

              [–]TimPartendale 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              In Montreal you'll get by rather easily not speaking a word of French, but French is omnipresent.

              I'm in France now and I speak fluent French. I was surprised when a waitress in Montreal began speaking it; it made me smile and was rather sexy. I wish more Americans took the time to learn another language, this is why I think Canada is a bit cooler than us.

              [–]MustNotFfff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I wish

              We would love to, but there is no god damn point. Europe, on the other hand, is a different story. Or even the eastern part of Canada.

              [–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Depending on the neighborhood, some folks only speak French (esp. Baby Boomers), while in others it's completely bilingual, with some in which people just address you in English straight away.

              Honestly I've lived there most of my life (francophone) and it's a great city. Would recommend.

              [–]Goupidan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Most people are bilingual: that being said, French is still the common tongue

              [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              It was okay, if you move east or north you start to run into language barrier but downtown you're fine. Jobs are a little harder but still findable.

              [–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              To be honest though, in general if one is planning to move to Montreal, one should make the effort to learn the language, it certainly improves your experience. Plus, French is the most beautiful language I know, and eventually you'll be able to read some Voltaire, Camus or Beaudelaire in the language it was written in.

              [–]betarex 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              As someone who's lived in 5 major US cities and moved each time with only what could fit in my truck and a months worth of pay saved up I can see where you're coming from. However I've also lived in small towns where I could run the length and back for my morning run and worked in the only bar.

              Big city pros:

              Variety - nightlife, gyms, shopping, etc

              Higher number of hotter women

              Always something to do

              Finding jobs are easy

              Big city cons:

              Stuck up people everywhere

              Horrible traffic

              Money gets you everywhere

              Small town pros:

              Laid back

              Everyone knows everyone so you can get some good deals

              Small town cons:

              Not much variety for anything

              The average chicks in town think they are hot as shit

              Women are driven to get a baby daddy asap

              Everyone knows everyone so that one night stand has probably fucked every guy you hung around, also every other girl will know you fucked her

              Ain't shit to do when it gets dark outside of the one bar

              Final thoughts: For someone that is moving to a city with no contacts, get a gym membership for showers, find a college or military base nearby to do your laundry in their dorms, and Walmart parking lots are good to sleep in or leave your car/truck. Invest in a bicycle or 30 day+ bus passes until you get a job so you can go places without worrying about gas, busses and subways are a great networking tool as well.

              And lastly, your city is what you make of it, I know plenty of military people who move and bitch about their place and spend the whole time shut in on their computer. Go outside, even if it's just wandering around aimlessly, I guarantee something interesting will happen.

              [–]Adach 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What cities in particular havr you lived in and which did you enjoy thr most?

              [–]betarex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Austin: amazing music scene and great bar scene

              Phoenix: where old people too poor for Florida go to die, mil Ave one of the best bar strips, also got to play a game of pickup with Steve Nash at a house party.

              LA: pretentious cunts, Compton faggots, looks and prestige rule

              Las vegas: if your only goal is to get laid move here. Summer months are one nonstop party from pools to clubs, super easy to go on a bender.

              New orleans: great culture and the street festivals are fun to let loose

              Seattle: just got here about 3 weeks ago, already have a place and a job. Bikini baristas which are basically prostitutes yet they ban stripping such a bipolar city. Already have two plates one from tinder and the other from a job interview lol.

              Edit: forgot to list favorite, probably phoenix just from looking back on things, where I turned 21 and lost my v card, ASU pussy for days and railing stuck up Scottsdale bitches and the wet tshirt contests, man such fun times. But I wouldn't move back there, I feel like I experienced all it had to offer and moved on. Plus the legislature there is stupid.

              [–]Sesa_Refum 7 points8 points  (4 children)

              Hahaha omg, here I am living in the GTA and all I see lately at TRP is everyone straight up tearing Toronto a new one every chance they get

              Is it really that bad out here?

              [–]TheSauce12 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              Im actually kind of caught off guard by this. I live here and love it. The biggest hurdle for me is a lot of the ladies I pursue end up having to return to the suburbs by the end of the night... But there's ways to make it work always. I'm proud to be from here, and although I want to go experience other places, I will return here always.

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                [–]TheSauce12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                That just seems oddly dramatic to me. This evaluation seems like something someone might be inclined to say if they evaluated torontos nightlife scene from only within the entertainment district. When I started going out in university I spent many nights at some crappy bar like Gracie's and then following the drunk crowd to a poutinery but more often than not Id be recklessly drunk and my game would be just a result of "throwing enough shit at the wall until something sticks". When I started going up to ossington and to cooler, more atypical spots I began to meet a lot better people and encounter less of the wasted frat girls seeking poutine and a new instagram photo. I am not saying we're a world class city or anything, I'm just saying its a cop out to blame your environment in a city with such a huge volume of people and places to offer.

                [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I've only visited Toronto once and i had a great time.

                [–]Perfected 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Does this apply also to moving from a big city to a small town?

                [–]DisDumbNigga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                [–]KingofFerretPowers 5 points6 points  (13 children)

                Great post! I moved to Portland, OR from South Florida on October 1st. Flying over the three sisters and then the Columbia river on the most crystal clear day was absolutely breathtaking. Best day of my life was when I got on that plane and said yes to myself and the life I truly wanted.

                [–]whateverdipshit 10 points11 points  (8 children)

                Portland is a overrated shithole with a perpetually anemic economy.

                [–]bpcPunk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I agree. All these transplants need to get the fuck out.

                Source: Portlander for 33 years.

                Seriously though, it's expensive as fuck. Granted it's not as bad as say Seattle or LA or something but then again...this isn't fucking Seattle or LA.

                Traffic fucking blows, the streets are old and too narrow. So many of the neighborhoods don't have adequate parking and developers seem to love to build WITHOUT any parking so they have more units to profit from.

                And all the fucking hipsters that like to think they're all progressive and enlightened and unique. It's like a new face of shallowness. And they all look exactly the fucking same. You take the shallowness of Hollywood and change it around and BOOM, you got a fucking Portland hipster. If you're around town look up chicks on one of the dating apps. They are all the fucking same. But they try to assure you that they're not like other girls. The dudes are worse. They're like fucking women with facial hair. I never knew straight men could be catty but guess what, there's Portland. They're also fucking punks that think they can fuck with you and get away with it. I was driving thought one neighborhood and a hipster fuck was running down the center of the road toward traffic in my lane.....not some crazy fuck like you would expect would be running in traffic. Some shithead with fancy running gear and a water bottle. This dude was well off and easily in his early 40's. I didn't give a fuck, I'm used to weird shit here. I slowed down and came to a stop when he was right infront of me and waited. He moves to the side and I slowly drive off and that sack of shit squirted water on me and all my shit through the open window and ran off. As if I were some piece of shit that wasn't suppose to be driving on the road or some shit. He almost got my phone wet. I got out of my car and yelled at his ass but he ran off. Everyone on the street and outside the bar nearby got dead quiet. This happened maybe a month ago but it still fucking pisses me off.

                I love the fuck out of this town but the entitled pieces of shit moving here are really fucking it up.

                [–]advancedminimal 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                I'm agreeing with this. Besides the fact that I've lived around the US and Oregon has some of the ugliest people I've seen so far out of any state.

                [–]whateverdipshit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                It's the San francisco of bull dykes. It's also awash with blue pill, SJW politics. You can get a $400,000 fine for hurting a trannys feelings.

                [–]KingofFerretPowers 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                I'd say girls either fall into the category of "really fine" or "really ugly". Very few inbetweens

                [–]advancedminimal 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Exactly, and the "really ugly" are about 90%. So much obesity, too. Tattooed-up half-head shaved attention seekers most of the time.

                [–]KingofFerretPowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I wouldn't call it 90 percent, unless you're talking about Gresham. And yeah, the obesity is pretty sad.

                [–]ChaletBoy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                I thought it was a place where young people go to retire.

                [–]whateverdipshit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                It's where young people get their introduction to unemployment and heroin.

                [–]JDillla 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                Great decision, you couldn't pay me enough to go back down there.

                Am also considering PDX, how is it so far?

                [–]flightmac 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                I just moved from Portland, OR to Albany, NY. Not the ideal transition, as PDX is one of the best places in the country, IMO.

                Best places to meet girls: Pioneer Courthouse Square is my go to. NW 23rd Ave (NW Portland is the best part of the city to live, hands down) Hawthorne St.

                I fucking love that city, and leaving it sucked. Like OP though, I was born and raised there and it was sort of a "been there, dont that" type of situation. I received a very good job offer to move to Albany, and my first priority was to move to the area closest to NW PDX. And I did that.

                Portland will always be my home, and undoubtedly is currently at the top of my list for places to raise a family. But right now, at age 28 I knew I needed to make a change and go on an adventure in another city. I was maybe one of only a handful of people in PDX running daygame/nightgame so that area is ripe for the taking. Girls are so so in that city, unfortunately. After moving to NY and seeing how girls present themselves here, I am not worried about finding cute girls to be with.

                I highly suggest moving to PDX. Even out here in NY with the few people I've met so far (winter kinda sucks) I always tell them "Go West" and "You should be so lucky to find yourself in PDX"

                [–]ChaletBoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Isn't winter a better time to meet people? They spend more time huddled inside rather than dispersed everywhere?

                [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Thank you SO much for this post! I've read it all. I'm in a similar situation to yours. Before moving out. And i'm sure a lot of guys would benefit IMMENSELY reading this.

                How old were you when you made the big jump?

                [–]Diece[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I was 19, in 20 now. I've been in Montreal for six months or so.

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                  [–]metallica11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  having been to bangkok a few times, I am seriously considering moving there for a few years if I Can get the logistics down. in my experience, hands down better in every way (Except maybe the pollution and traffic) than the US cities.

                  [–]Adach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Man me and my friends always dreamed about moving to southeast asia, feel a bit guilty tho considering the struggles my parents went through to get to the states

                  [–]AnimaPura 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  The way you write is very inspiring, thank you for your contribution. Looking forward to the other parts, you seem like you have lots of stories to share.

                  [–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  If you want to live in NYC for more than one year you need to save up at least $15-25k. This is coming from a 3rd generation NYer who would not relocate here if my family were from elsewhere.

                  [–]Cryocasm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Your first few paragraphs confirm a RP truth/observation of manipulation and egostroking:

                  They don't want you to leave/lift/improve because then they reflect upon themselves and realize how shitty they are. When you raise and elevate yourself, other people will try halting you because they are scared of becoming devalued at the hands of your advance.

                  This is a very dangerous social construct, because everyone thinks this way, and only your truest, real friends, will support you in raising your value. A real friend doesn't care that you can become potentially of high SMV, since he cares about the male bond and friendship with you.

                  Watch your back mate.

                  [–]Kepaso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Montreal does not have that true real big city vibe though. It has more of a small, medium city laid back life style, with a small down town core ( you can walk through it in 1 or 2 hours) and the calmer residential areas around it. This is the way i like it though: the city has a soul and nice girls.

                  source: born Montrealais

                  [–]evilquesadilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Good job having the courage to go for what you want.

                  I guess I took it for granted, but I've always lived in big cities. I think I'll go crazy if I move to a small town. But some people are small town people, some people are big city people. Know what you want and go get it. That's one of the most important things in life IMHO.

                  [–]alic123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  How old were you when you moved, if you don't mind me asking?

                  [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  19, I'm 20 now. Been in Montreal for six months or so.

                  [–]aazav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah, it's a fun city, isn't it? Not all of them are that great. But then again, some are.

                  [–]G_SEVUHHHHN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Your writing style is great. It was a long post but it read really fluidly and you really stirred my imagination. Good job with the formatting as well. So many TRP posts are walls of text with no payout. Very inspirational, very awesome post.

                  [–]lLoveLamp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I came in Montréal about 6 months ago, and even though I'm french speaking, I can absolutely relate to your post.

                  My discovery of TRP came in about the same time I moved here, and it has been an interesting experience to say the least, dating-wise and personality-wise.

                  Would love to meet or chat about our discoveries and realizations if you're down! Hit me up

                  [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Totally down, PM me. I'm at my hometown for two weeks though.

                  [–]arabontour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Very motivating, my only problem if I was to ever do such a thing would be whether I can sustain myself financially until I can get a job (or even find one). I guess you'll explain it later so you've got my attention!

                  [–]wastemeaway 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Fuck Ya, man! I fucking needed this. I have been pussy footing around finding my own way. Fuck Ya, I can do this shit! Thanks.

                  [–]Magnum256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Great post.

                  Best advice imo is:

                  Whenever you are invited to something ALWAYS go. Doesn't matter how stupid or insignificant the event is. You fucking go. The only time this rule can be broken is when you are invited to more than one place. If that's the case take the best invitation and go.

                  I used to be bad with this - would get an invite to a house party or some random event and would often find an excuse not to go just because it took me outside my comfort zone or put me in a situation with a lot of unfamiliar people. Eventually I realized how dumb that was and as I got older it was becoming more difficult to make friends and meet people anyway. The best way to broaden your social network is to step outside your comfort zone, go to places you don't always go, attend parties with a lot of unfamiliar people; that feeling of apprehensiveness should be embraced, not avoided, put yourself into unfamiliar situations as the odds of something awful happening are generally pretty low and the odds of something good happening (meeting new people, making new friends, finding new interests) is actually pretty high in comparison.

                  [–]Kelly_Gruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I'm not sure why but most Canadians are very hesitant about moving from where they grew up which is a shame. Besides Calgary & Edmonton for career purposes.

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                    [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Its free.

                    The Book of Pook is just an archive of posts from sosuqve forums.

                    The first link is the download.

                    This link should work. https://archive.org/details/pdfy-_OguVIkg2uBLSzXq

                    [–]Ai117 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    Welcome to my hometown! If you're into edm go to new city gas or igloofest the girls are easy.

                    [–]Diece[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                    New City Gas is my favorite club. I haven't been in a while though, last DJ I saw was Above and Beyond.

                    [–]Ai117 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    I was there too, they're set was crazy good.

                    [–]Diece[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    When they did the song called sun and moon and the whole crowd was singing

                    "You're the sun moon to me, you'll never get over me and I'll never get over you."

                    [–]Ai117 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    My favorite moment and song

                    [–]mazdafan0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Do you recommend someone in GTA moving to Montreal?

                    [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Depends. Montreal is from my knowledge a lot different than GTA.

                    You have 4 universities close by and multiple CEGEP's which is like Grade 13.

                    Montreal is notna very big city. Downtown is small but really condensed. But outside of downtown you have boroughs that each have their own flare to them. Outside of downtown, Montreal feels like multiple small towns strung together. Its a very charming city though. Don't be surprised if you don't want to leave!

                    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    big cities will do the worst in an economic collapse. You have the least resources to work with & prices will go insane. No thanks.

                    Maybe another time in history but today is not that day.

                    Then again I regard farm work as solid 100% honest, good work that teaches you real skills on how to survive, to live, to value everything.

                    [–]Pika786 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Welcome to Montreal brother

                    [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Thanks, I fucking love your city.

                    [–]VoidInvincible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Los Angeles has always been my goal. Right now I live in Vancouver Washington, a suburb of Portland Oregon. Lots of land whales. Would LA be recommended by anyone? Most of the career related stuff I want to do is out there, and I've heard the women are hot.

                    Seattle was my second choice.

                    [–]REDitor100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Hell. Yes. I needed this post. 21 yrs old, moving to Las Vegas the day after Christmas. I've been getting nervous lately thinking if this is the right choice or not. I'm definitely not turning back.

                    [–]geekalert91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Fuck, I can feel my confidence levels boosting just by reading your post.

                    I have turned down invites countless times - followed by remorse later why people dont give me the attention i expect.

                    I'm no way turning down invites again - atleast not for crappy reasons like pot, skyrim or family guy shows.

                    Thank you for enlightening me, kind sir.

                    You deserve a cookie, this post is the bees knees.

                    [–]87GNX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Looking forward to future installments.

                    [–]The_Americano 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Looking forward to part 4, im currently slaving away at an entry level corporate job and want to make the change to sales.

                    [–]Shankar_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    That perfect is boring line really is a nice way of thinking. Looking forwards to your next posts!

                    [–]ilovemyself101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    "Perfect is boring" is one hell of a restriction destroyer and makes it so much easier to do stuff that maybe hard(such as approaching).

                    But it WORKS EVERYWHERE, going for the k-close, kino, approaching a group, and it makes even rejection easier.

                    Thanks for reminding me of this awesome mental line

                    [–]Sauerkraut206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    My dream is move into the mountains away from the modern world http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xSbtz50p5f0 take more red pill

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    snobby feminazi western urban women. no thanks. maybe tokyo though

                    [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    I don't find Montreal snobby at all. There very down to earth and outgoing. That's my experience though.

                    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Youre probably just used to pushy, butch north american women because thats all you know. Personally i have no interest in them

                    [–]BayStreetBaller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Just avoid Toronto at all costs, this cities a shit hole for single men.

                    [–]TimPartendale 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Very inspirational post, I recently moved and I'm loving it in my new city. I agree whole heartedly that you need to go out there on the daily and make an effort to befriend people. Let me know if I can mention portions of your post on my site that I just started.

                    Your French seems off, shouldn't "part one" be:

                    (1) la première partie...

                    (2) la deuxième partie...

                    (3) la troisième partie... etc,

                    [–]Seishuu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I think he was just trying to give an exotic twist to his post; otherwise he would've written "partie" instead of "part".

                    [–]Diece[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I wasn't trying to make it completely French. I just thought having a touch of french would make my post more interesting.