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    [–]1Dev_on 41 points42 points  (6 children)

    old story, but I liked the part where she noticed we were never caddy, or femenine with friendship...

    I prefer that part the best. The fact that, today. I have at least 4 people would fly across the country to see me if shit hit the fan, and my SO can't is really telling about the differences in friendship

    [–]CornyHoosier 44 points45 points  (4 children)

    Absolutely. We men are rarely open with our emotions. If a friend of mine actually displayed authentic panic I would know the situation was real so would act.

    On that same note, I believe this shows how deeply emotional men really are, even if our culture makes appear a man is weak or crazy for displaying those emotions.

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      [–]1Dev_on 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Same. Though I called her on it. Told her it was temporary, and either you can be there without getting mad or I walk.

      Sad even with feelings, you still have to man up. Though still save it for the Navy guys getting together again

      [–]legauge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      On that same note, I believe this shows how deeply emotional men really are, even if our culture makes appear a man is weak or crazy for displaying those emotions.

      It isn't displaying our emotions as much as letting them sway us. You are allowed to be happy, sad, distraught or ecstatic. What you are not allowed is to be caught in its flow. You are to be an immovable object against it.

      The reason most believe that its display is bad is because it shows a loss of control over yourself. Crying, screaming in joy, etc. This shows that you are overwhelmed by a feeling, thus is usually unseemly.

      However, I'm not saying you should be this blank facade all the time. You can display them as much as you want, as long as you can show, at the very least, restraint.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 373 points374 points  (90 children)

      I think I read she spent time in an institution afterwards and upon getting out said "Thank god I'm a woman."

      Society demands men be ambitious but not single-minded, driven but not obsessive, learned but not overeducated, cautious but not paranoid, risk-takers without being reckless, considerate but not spineless, dominant but not overbearing, that we maintain ourselves without becoming preening narcissists, while staying in touch with nature without "going feral"...the list goes on and on, it's a balancing act all the way through.

      Society expects women not to get fat.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 274 points275 points  (19 children)

      And they're trying to change that.

      [–]JudgeRedPill 55 points56 points  (16 children)

      True, but it's not like they'll succeed. Again, biology.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 44 points45 points  (1 child)

      But, but, but I thought attraction was just a social construction?!

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 35 points36 points  (0 children)

      Actually, if we're accepting the whole fact that women's attraction is more mental than purely physical, it makes sense that they would (erroneously) think that we COULD change or control our attraction.

      [–]ibuprofiend 18 points19 points  (11 children)

      Idk about that. We see that the average man will lower his standards quite a bit, so if 90% of women are fat, he'll just take a fat chick instead of being forever alone. The average guy might not like her being fat, but he'll still accept it if that's his only option.

      Actually, that already is reality, except the average guy doesn't get the fat chick because she believes she's an 8 and deserves a 6' doctor with abs or a college quarterback hedge fund manager as her birthright.

      [–]makethemsayayy 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      Boys are told their whole life they have to work hard to get a girl, ect. So they long for a beautiful girl, but it would be hard to get one.

      Girls are told they're all special, beautiful princesses, no matter how bad or fat and awful they are.

      Hence girls think they deserve 10's, despite being 3's, and guys who are 7's end up with 5's.

      [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Working hard is such a damaging thing to say. First you must work smart before working hard. Like if you are in university. The whole point of it is to get a degree for a job all so you can make money. If you aren't an athlete being seriously looked at by the big boy leagues or in a top frat, it's most likely not going to work out.

      [–]Luckyluke23 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      dude... this is so money.

      I am pretty fat ( i am working to change this.) but the amout of girls who are fat themselfs and have told me they don't like fat people IS TOO DAM HIGH.

      you think fat people would be more acpeting of fat people becuse they are fat and know the struggle with it. NOPE. it's like.

      " i should be able to stay as i am, but you have to be 6 foot + and have rock hard abbs"

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        [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        i feel you for you, my city ( i can call it that) has 3 million people. I'd ahte to see what it's like where cities have 10 milion.

        I also see A LOT of girls with bfs here... but that could just be the best option they have at the time.

        [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You can be alpha dude. If a 5'5" balding fuck like me can kill it withattractive women, anyone can.

        [–]chillmonkey88 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        With the rate mgtow is growing the desperate men will die off along with fat women... remember that a man's worth is directly related to what he can produce. A desperate beta male with no real prospects will eventually give way on either side... either give up the ability to produce and die off or give up on women and die off on their own terms.

        With regards to women, fertility among the obese drops exponentially and along with guys that won't rummage around a fat girls thighs and fupas with a (much needed) broomstick of a cock. Along with added heightened expectations of your basic average women wanting a top 10% man. They will also die off.

        It's a weird ass cocktail I know... but we're nearing critical mass I feel with mgtow growing along with average women's bmi.

        [–]ibuprofiend 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Yeah I think that 20 years from now we'll be like Japan, MGTOWs everywhere enjoying the fruits of their labor (video games, ridiculous motor vehicles, etc.) while crying inside because they've never known a woman's love, single post-wall women bitching about "where have all the good men gone," etc. It's already starting.

        [–]varisforge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Women compete with each other. We will never run out of skinny women usong their bodyweight and attractiveness as an edge over the other women to get those bux.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        We won't run out, but the amount of skinny women will go down if a significant amount of men start fucking, impregnating, and wifing these manatees attempting to pass for a woman.

        Don't fuck fatties. I'm guilty of doing it once in a slump. Never again.

        [–]87GNX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        /me looks around the city

        Looks like they're having a lot of success to me.

        [–]StinkyDiaper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Healthy at EVERY size!!!......ugh

        [–]leaffur 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Not in 2014. Look at all the hambeasts running around!

        [–]Operator216 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Man the nuclear-option harpoons!

        [–]cagethepepper 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        I'm just gonna MGTOW through life.

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          [–]galvanised_computer 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          The difference between a single minded, uneducated, obsessive, paranoid narcissist man and a single minded, uneducated, obsessive, paranoid narcissist women is a man will get shit on by society. The women will go through just fine.

          [–]FooleryCommaTom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I think there's a 2 point markup for women. 6s live like a man that's an 8, 8s like 10s, and 10s live on Mars.

          [–]NoRegretj 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          Yeah, of course not for LTR, but you'll fuck her right in the pussy a few times won't you? Yeah got you

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            [–]NoRegretj 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Well I'm thinking of it from the perspective of a male, girls won't fuck you if you exhibit these traits while (majority) men don't care as long as you look good. Some, very few, women will if you just looked perfect to them and did exhibit these treats would still sleep with you but that's incredibly rare.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            I'd still rather be a guy than a woman, as long as I keep my balls in check I see no downside.

            I want to be the person who has to go out there and get the bread and cheese, I want to sweat with my work and be beautiful in all aspects of my life because of my own will. If I didn't do that what would my life be?

            Women have it easier, but that's so dull. Also I would hate to have my worth based on my looks rather than who I am as a person.

            Amazing video though, I really like the woman who did this. She seems like a very down to earth and unbiased person, I'm glad she was able to see that there's more to being a guy than grunting, eating meat, and being an asshole.

            [–]twistyquasar 0 points1 point  (14 children)

            tbh women gonna get fat when they get old especially black women

            [–]denart4 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            Race doesn't matter much at this topic.

            [–]makethemsayayy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            to be fair 80% of black women are overweight, it might be 90%..

            [–]Dr_Nikk 0 points1 point  (11 children)

            Let's not bring race particularities into this.

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              [–]Dr_Nikk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I'd prefer we talk about RP rather than how black women get fatter than white women.

              [–]galvanised_computer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Then talk about that, downvote, move on, and don't be meta about it.

              [–]twistyquasar 13 points14 points  (7 children)

              im not trying to bring race into anyting its just that im black and i see mostly over weigt black women

              [–]PokeChopSandwiches 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Is there a specific cultural reason for this that you can attest to? Is it just a love of certain calorie dense foods? Is there more of an acceptance with black women for "fuller" figures? The big sassy black girl who is loud and proud? Not suggesting just cause your black you know everything about other black people, just curious if you have any anecdotal knowledge.

              [–]-The-Prestige- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Although this is the Internet, I'm saying this is my opinion as a black guy. Anyway, what I've noticed two things: 1) Some black men tend to like bigger women so it's more acceptable. 2) Telling a black woman to lose weight is more likely to have greater consequences than telling a white woman to lose weight.

              [–]galvanised_computer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              info
              info2

              some reasons why I think blacks have higher rates of obeisety:

              1. Money. Poorer people buy cheaper products and they are generally higher in calories

              2. More likely to be less educated

              [–]twistyquasar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              nah after black women hit the wall they swell up like balloons, well that is the black women who weren't fat in their teens n twenties.

              [–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Black -> white -> latina -> asian

              From most frequently overweight to least. At least in my experience.

              [–]wtf_isthissh -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              This is the most accurate statement I've ever read on this sub. So accurate I just sent my ltr to voicemail so I could leave write this post

              [–]cock_pussy_up 107 points108 points  (32 children)

              Constantly, men are bombarded with images and ideas that men should be nice and considerate and non-pressuring towards females so that they feel "comfortable", when in reality, women, and I quote, "want a very masculine and dominant male ... and many women have no interest in a soft, vulnerable man."

              If you tell the truth about this, women get angry.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 71 points72 points  (26 children)

              Actually, it's pretty funny. If you are the AMOG, it's possible to state RP beliefs and have them nod their heads approvingly. They only get angry when betas suggest it, because they don't want betas to be anything other than meek and intimidated. They definitely don't want betas mimicking alpha behaviour, as that might result in them fucking a less than desirable mate.

              Tell lesser SMV women the truth about how an ideal man is aggressive, domineering and doesn't take no for an answer, and watch their tingles fly.

              [–]MensaNominee 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              Here are the circumstances where I've encountered resistance from women to this notion:

              1. In the presence of betas
              2. If the girl is dating a beta
              3. If the girl is an SJW or self-proclaimed and ill-informed queue card reading feminist
              4. If the girl is in front of her current boyfriend who is an alpha and she's attempting to be spiteful

              Other than the aforementioned scenarios, most women I talk to will readily admit they need a "manly man".

              [–]BlackHeart89 15 points16 points  (10 children)

              I don't know man. The hamster is strong. I've notice that they'll always try to argue it, no matter how they feel about you. Either that or they'll ignore it and change the subject while all the while trying to get with you.

              [–]1kick6 19 points20 points  (9 children)

              You're arguing this with girls that don't want to smang you, then. It's that simple.

              Tell a girl who wants to smang you that you'll toss her around the bedroom, total agreement.

              Tell a woman who doesn't...ASD all day.

              [–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (6 children)

              Thats my point. These are women I either have fucked, rejected, or currently fucking.

              The ones who have no interest in me argue the same thing, just with more emotion (anger?).

              [–]JaxSwagger 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              "So you date a lot of women then?"

              [–]BlackHeart89 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

              Is this a rhetorical question? Either way, yes.

              [–]JaxSwagger 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Quotation, implying it's a reply you should be using when the argument is taking place.

              [–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Wait...wut? We're saying opposite things.

              If she does want the bang, she'll agree with your dominance.

              If she doesn't want the bang, she will tell you that "she's not like that" that such activities are "demeaning" and that you're a "potential rapist."

              [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Lol Sorry about that. I used bad wording in my last post.

              All the women I have dealt with, those who wanted to bang and those who didn't, always try to refute the truth. The only difference is that the ones who want to bang won't argue as strongly as those who don't.

              [–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              And I'm saying the ones that want to bang won't refute the truth. They'll totally agree, and in fact...imagine you doing it to them as you speak.

              [–]RiseAboveRuin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Smang lol... Haven't heard that one before.

              [–]FooleryCommaTom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Look up "Lemme Smang It" on YouTube, and watch some related videos too. You won't be disappointed. "Grab My a Belt" is a personal favorite.

              [–]HickCup 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              They definitely don't want betas mimicking alpha behaviour, as that might result in them fucking a less than desirable mate.

              Is this really all there is to it? I've always sort of been baffled at why women hate, hate, hate the exposure of what actually makes them tick. This feels like an unsatisfactory answer.

              If it really is true though, then it just proves the lock/key analogy. If sex with you isn't a prize to be won then why the fucking obfuscation??

              [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I was never wholly satisfied with this answer either. I think a lot of it is wording - girls seem to be bothered by harsh words frequently even more than they are harsh actions.

              A violent bruiser SOUNDS like a horrible person, but then a girl sees HER MAN being a violent bruiser towards another man and GUSH.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              It's actually compounded by many factors, one of which being that exposure of a woman's socio-sexual strategy is subversive. Awareness of the underlying mechanisms of attraction undermines their effectiveness.

              The other component is that a lot of women like the idea of idealistic fantasy. The "magic" of attraction, as it were. Break it down into logical formulae and suddenly that magic is gone.

              You see a similar thing with religious fundamentalists and modern science.

              [–]morsX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Similar to theologians who no longer believe in a hands-on, direct involvement deity. Well put!

              [–]OFF_THE_DEEP_END 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Divide and conquer. Keep the alphas and the betas opposed to each other and women will have all the power.

              [–]foldpak111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              If Ryan Gosling said it all girls would sit there and be like damn he's right. Imagine if some omega type said it. It's not what you say, it's who says it.

              If Ryan Gosling said he hates women, they would just froth at the mouth and say 'we can change him' as they flick their bean.

              [–]theoctopuss 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              This is the truth. I've been in many situations where I'm the AMOG, and quite frankly I can say whatever I want. I can call those girls dumb broads, call them out on anything, or anything short of being a complete jabroni. The thing is, they eat that shit up... as long as you're alpha. If any of the other betas present acted out, the girls (and me too, a little bit) will call them on it and make them feel like idiots.

              Any of those betas could appear alpha if they just held frame, instead of pussing out when the group pressures them. Not giving a fuck what others say is the key.

              [–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              True. If you have that Matthew Barnaby style of telling people how it is and not caring whose feelings you hurt, people will just give up. People are rarely up for challenging a guy that never gets tired of conflict.

              If you ever want to know how social interactions work on a primal level, watch animal kingdom documentaries. On that really stuck out in my mind was the honey badger successfully punking 3 grown ass lions. If you show no fear, go all out, you can punk out anyone. Training yourself to be that guy is hard though due to social conditioning.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Girls will do and accept anything from a sufficiently high value alpha. This is why one way of attracting a girl super hard is to offend her, and calmly weather her flipping out shitstorm like it's a pleasant summer breeze.

              Hell, a demonstration of alpha I did today:

              I texted a girl I met on Friday today, and said, "I need you to do something for me."

              She almost immediately (before she had been responding very slowly and sporadically) says, "What's that?"

              I replied with, "Cook me bacon."

              Since then she has been incredibly communicative, apologized and asked my name again, etc. She went from maybe one text all weekend to like 6 today (not all of which I've even responded to yet)

              The moment you let a girl know, "I am not a follower, I will be followed", your actions are, to her, inherently justified. Your moral rightness is attached to your sexual value by women.

              [–]colombianguy 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              Very recently, there was a post on TRP about a televised panel discussion on rape culture in the UK.

              The lone, dissenting voice belonged to an unassertive, nerdy-looking journalist. Everyone pretty much just shit on him as soon as he voiced his contrarian opinion. I am vaguely certain that the audience and the other panelists would have responded far differently and favorably if he had been a successful-looking, physically attractive male with a dominant presence.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              [–]flyingwolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              My god the way he points out her hand gesture on the bottle, the fact that she is setting in a puddle of her own making is just awesome.

              [–]ThorLives 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Geez. What an awful "debate".

              First, the question is loaded ("Since 85,000 women are raped in England and Wales every year, when will we blame the perpetrator and help end sexual violence?") because it assumes that the police side with the perpetrator against the rape victim. The first few people on the panel act like this is true. The reality is that rapists get thrown in prison. In some places, rapists are killed by vigilantes. They talk as if women are getting thrown into prison for reporting rape.

              Here's what happens in the real world (i.e. the world where rapists are hated and victims are not): "The case of an Indian man who tortured and killed his daughter's alleged rapist has shocked the country - but many are hailing him as a hero." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29901304

              When the journalist talks, the muslim woman gets very offended by the fact that he points out the problem in Muslim communities. But, the first two women talked about the "culture problem". If this is a "culture problem", then it's very likely that some cultures have larger rape problems. You can't simultaneously claim "it's a cultural problem", admit that different cultures are different, and then claim that all cultures have the same degree of rape problems. Of course, the muslim woman is offended because the guy is saying something about "her team" (muslims) when he should be attacking the "other team" (i.e. men, English culture). Admittedly, I think he could've made a lot better arguments if he hadn't gotten sidetracked by mentioning religion.

              [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

              women get angry.

              Shit test detected.

              Women want to be taken, fucked, and lead.

              [–]iloveyoumorethanham 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              And if they're not. They get frustrated.

              [–]JudgeRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Especially on Reddit, even more so on a female themed sub. Truth hurts.

              [–]shadowq8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              honestly that shit is motivating

              [–]sway_usa 29 points30 points  (15 children)

              I think this is the same girl, but someone who did the same thing ended up having to go to a mental institution because she was so depressed. They can't handle being us.

              [–]zephyrprime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              That was the same person as the woman in this video.

              [–]CornyHoosier 23 points24 points  (3 children)

              To be fair, she tossed herself into the deep end. As a lesbian-feminist she went completely to the other end of the spectrum and didn't ease her way in at all. Men have spent their entire existence learning to adapt to our way of living.

              I doubt most of us would be able to mentally handle being a woman either. Ugh ... I get shivers just thinking about it.

              [–]jdoe5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              True, having all the makeup and shit, and dealing with catty bitches would get to me.

              [–]1kick6 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I doubt most of us would be able to mentally handle being a woman either. Ugh ... I get shivers just thinking about it.

              True, the difference is we don't fight for "fairness" to be like them.

              [–]Alarid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You'd have to deal with women more.

              It's the same reason I sympathize with politicians. They have to deal with politicians everyday.

              [–]galvanised_computer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              from Norah Vincent's wikipedia:

              Her most recent book is Voluntary Madness, about her experiences as an inpatient in three different mental hospitals. Suffering from depression after her eighteen months living disguised as a man, Vincent felt she was a danger to herself. On the advice of her psychologist she committed herself to a mental institution. She spent time in three different institutions – one urban, public and ill-funded; one small-town; and one private and expensive. She found some parts of the mental health care system beset by arrogant doctors and over-reliance on drugs as therapy, while others addressed merely the symptoms instead of their underlying causes.

              [–]Goldfulgore 57 points58 points  (9 children)

              Even if you show that video to women, most of them will still not get it and are indifferent about it.

              No woman cares for what a man has to go through, they are not meant to.

              [–]makethemsayayy 12 points13 points  (5 children)

              Yeah but the ones pushing these bullshit laws like "you're kicked out of college for being ACCUSED of rape" should at least have an idea of what the fuck it's like.

              [–]gg_s 11 points12 points  (4 children)

              The ones pushing those "laws" are men. Men who know full well what it's like to be a man, yet are still convinced that women have it that much worse.

              [–]Overkillengine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Or are trying to shut down competition.

              [–]makethemsayayy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Fucking repulsive beta-in-their-soul faggots who betray themselves. They should have their testicles removed.

              [–]icyhot39 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              Absolutely correct. Both the interviewer and interviewee were both obviously unable to comprehend even a fraction of what was happening.

              The leading questions and answers were offensive. Misandric rationalizations about how us men are incapable of emotionally connecting were telling.
              Women walk into a room full of other women and plug in socially and emotionally almost like a telephone. Men have to earn the privilege to even be in the room. A woman posing as an effeminate man had to face a fraction of that responsibility and it nearly drove her mad.

              [–]Goldfulgore 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              So strongly I believe that no woman cares for what a man has to go through that I question her motives.

              I seems to me that she as a lesbian was trying to figure out women (cause even women don't get women).

              So she tried living as a man to find out what men gave women, that she couldn't give and if possible learn to give it to them.

              The whole thing backfired and used as a publicity stunt to sell more books.

              [–]icyhot39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nah. She is a lesbian trying to further diminish the role of men by proving that gender roles are entirely a social construct. That any woman could man up if she wanted to. That women don't man up because being a woman is more difficult and better suited for their amazing and undeniable strengths.

              Same shit. Different day

              [–]itsmehobnob 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              This video is posted every once in a while, and it's a great repost. All subscribers should see it and think about the messages.

              It is your job to be the leader. You cannot stop being better/stronger/smarter. You are not allowed to be weak.

              But. You need to be weak sometimes.

              If you played a slot machine that always won or always lost you would quickly lose interest. You need to win every so often (and at random intervals) to really hook you. Men are not different than slot machines (for more ways than one). You need to be the leader most of the time, but it's the moments of vulnerability that really grab a woman. Just don't let them happen too often.

              [–]mjociv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              As someone who subscribed here recently, the first paragraph is spot on.

              [–]4_YRT 15 points16 points  (3 children)

              I've said it before and I'll say it again: the most privileged class of people the human race has ever produced is the wives and daughters of powerful men.

              [–]Schindog 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              And the spoiled bitch sons that sometimes pop out. You know, the kind that they pamper to shut them up, but that they'd never hand the family business over to.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              We should pity them though, they're stuck in a life of hedonism and never truly get to experience what it's like to fight for something.

              [–]Schindog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              True. I wasn't saying it's enviable, just privileged.

              [–]1too_long_didnt_read 67 points68 points  (9 children)

              Female privilege is the only true privilege. Men have responsibilities that come with any rights they have, where women have rights without any responsibilities at all.

              [–]paynehouse 4 points5 points  (7 children)

              It's a direct result of women not earning their rights in society. There is a reason why men have rights.

              [–]theoctopuss 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Women should only have to fall into their role as determined by their gender, just as men should. It's not about "men vs. women", it's about doing what you're supposed to as a man, so that she can do what she's supposed to do as a woman.

              [–]makethemsayayy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              should

              tell that to society. this is why marriage isn't working anymore unfortunately.

              [–]25russianbear25 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              so much this... i hate when any woman complains that women make .7 to a man 1$

              Yes, that possible because they do the shit no one else wants to do or cant do. They also take risky jobs that can cost life and health.

              Ive yet to see/hear/read about a single job that offers man advertise a different salary based on gender.... so tired of this bullshit

              [–]rebuildingMyself 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              And every now and then you get go-grrl articles about professions where women earn more than men. Not a peep about it being unequal.

              [–]paynehouse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              That's a myth. Women make just as much as men.

              [–]MeGustaLibros 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Truth. Don't you think if a company wanted to hire more affordable workers, they'd hire workers that are nearly 30% cheaper?

              [–]caliboo 43 points44 points  (0 children)

              This is literally reposted monthly.

              Can we sidebar this?

              No offense but it's equivalent to seeing the same TIL posted over and over and over.

              [–]CJ090 20 points21 points  (2 children)

              She went on 30 dates? well fuck, she's done way better than I have.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              So improve yourself and get out there. You could do 30 dates in the next 2 or 3 months.

              [–]robostanleys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Lesbians are funny. They're fully willing to let a woman call themselves whatever they want, and they'll go with it, as long as they can get that pussy.

              [–]ActuallyARaptor 7 points8 points  (4 children)

              I like how every guy suspected she was gay

              [–]icyhot39 14 points15 points  (3 children)

              Which is also really interesting because she has no idea how much less was expected of her as a man just because she exuded femininity.

              I don't want to get in a pissing contest with gay men, but the more feminine they are the greater the female privilege starts to creep in. (men and women expect less of you)

              [–]dustxx 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              Gay dude here. Can confirm, I don't get any of the expectations from women that most men do. Many women actually instantly like me after learning I'm gay. I am not very feminine acting and a lot of people are surprised to find out I'm gay, so that's probably why I don't experience the lowered expectations from other males you mentioned. But even I have lowered expectations when I meet a feminine gay guy, so it's definitely right. Unfortunately, we don't get a lot of the other kinds of female privilege beyond people's expectations, for instance, we have to work just as hard as straight males to go on dates and stuff, we can't just 'be pretty and have guys flock to us' like many girls can. I have to admit, I'm pretty jealous of girls for that, but I know that if I was treated that way I would take it for granted just like women do.

              [–]vpwnz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              How rapidly does the behavior change once they learn you're gay?

              [–]Goupidan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              "Did you like being a woman before that?" "I did, but I like it more now, because I think it's more of a privilege"

              Wow.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              "Female sexuality is mental."

              She got that right!

              [–]blandboringusername 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              She's right. Men always think below the waist.

              I'm no knuckle dragging horny ape stereotype, for the feminists who might be lurking here. But really for me sexual attraction is about youth + fertility. That's about it. If you're a young woman but you're obviously a tatted up gutter skank with a super high CC count, it will deflate my balloon some, but mostly give me cute, young skinny girls and I'm good. Life is easy if you're that. Lots of guys will do everything for you, not must me.

              Good luck when you're a fat middle aged lady though.. If you're a woman, think of life as a party. You're super popular and everybody wants to talk to you for the first twenty minutes after you arrive at the party. But after that, people expect you to move to the back of the room and wait for fresher party guests to arrive.

              [–]justtookit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              By the way, let's comment on the creep factor here, or lack thereof. Can you imagine, I mean, can you imagine the shitstorm which would ensue if a man had dressed up as a woman and attempted to infiltrate female circles?

              [–]AChase82 3 points4 points  (9 children)

              I kinda want to just throw myself under a bus after watching this.

              [–]villarm006 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              ummm.. I dont think I get it, but dont do that , youll be fine bro. lots more to learn out there.

              [–]AChase82 3 points4 points  (6 children)

              She's had better luck and did a better job at being a guy in 18 months than I have in 32 years.

              [–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              She also put more specific effort into the experience than most guys do. You could achieve more than she has, if you're willing to go the distance

              [–]AChase82 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              I suppose so, but at this point I don't have any reasonable hope for a future of any kind.

              [–]11411181 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Stop feeling sorry for yourself, and use that pain to propel you to what you want then. Less self-pity, more self-motivation.

              [–]AChase82 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I have no idea where to begin to start

              --edit, now with an extra serving of less whining.

              [–]fortifiedoranges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The sidebar, you whiny bitch

              [–]WordsNotToLiveBy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Caveat: I applaud Norah Vincent and any other woman who wants to take serious steps in a man's shoe. I think it may help them to better understand and perhaps even through a sympathetic point of view they'll shed some of their negative stereotypes they have for men.

              In all honestly, she'll never truly understand what it is to be a man because... (spoiler alert) she's not a man. Her experiment was still at the end of the day seen through the lens of a woman in disguise. Her conclusions and lessons were still skewed to a feminine point of view.

              More importantly, which wasn't discussed, she may not have understood the subtle nuances that are part of male behavior and our unwritten vernacular. There are certain gestures and symbolism that men decode about each other that she may not have picked up on.

              Also, she underestimates how often she had put up certain red flags around the men in her video. Many of them would have immediately, if not after several minutes, of talking with her that she was either gay, transgender, or something to that effect was awry. Just like a strange wolf entering a new pack, with a strange coat of fur or different color eyes, etc. would be perceived from the rest of the wolves, so would it be the case here (to a lesser degree.)

              That isn't to say she didn't learn a great deal. I was pleased to find out that she saw the differences in the sexuality of the genders. And how much easier women have it in the dating field.

              [–]justtookit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Right!

              She's claiming to have experienced being male, when in reality what she did was dress up in the clothes of another tribe, infiltrate some of their activities, and masquerade as a friend for a few months. That doesn't license someone to speak authoritatively on the tribe in question, and she shouldn't be viewed as having undertaken the male experience in full, but a tiny fraction.

              And yet there she is in the interview, reporting to a teammate on the fascinating and primitive tribe she lived with using her superior and civilized female lens. Ah well, it's as good as we could have hoped.


              You're also right to criticize some of the conclusions she draws about how men interact; she talks solemnly about how little communication there is, but in reality, there is probably an entire conversation going on in a language she can't even hear.

              [–]CostaDelicata 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              This video is enlightening about what is going on from the male perspective. It's very well thought out and thoughtful without vilifying either gender

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4

              [–]BCFtrip 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              In some ways, we keep emotions reserved because we don't exactly need to express them, and also so that display authentic extreme emotions serves as an alarm to other men. A few weeks ago when I called a friend in a panic and asked him to get me away from where I am, I was taken seriously.

              [–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Do you know any lesbian, feminist, men?

              [–]flyingwolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              18 months of being a man put her in a mental institution for depression. She could check out at any time and go back to being female, she had a get out of jail free card, zero pressure to continue.

              And yet after only 18 months.

              Here I am 400+ months into this being a male thing...

              [–]2 Mredpillschool 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Was a good book, I recommend reading it.

              [–]Bortasz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Any chance for detail review?

              [–]vpwnz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              It's like $5 on kindle, c'mon

              [–]OFF_THE_DEEP_END 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think she learned the importance of loyalty and honesty in the male sphere of society. She had to take "baby steps" into those concepts. It looks like she did alright, but the stress of things got to her. She didn't grow up male and didn't have the tools to deal with male issues of loyalty and honesty.

              [–]bpcPunk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Didn't this person commit suicide eventually? Or was that the poor man that had a botched circumcision and the hippy-dippy airhead parents thought it would be wonderful to just raise him as a girl and got him a sex change or something.

              [–]bpcPunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              So am I being downvoted because because you didn't believe me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

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                [–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                If any feminist hasn't changed her identity to being a female after watching this video, you can conclude that they have got shit for brains

                [–]ArbitraryFool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This just shows that woman are more privileged than men

                [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                the only problem i have about this video is it is done back in 06. 06 the internet hasn't really exploded. i mean what social media did we have back in the day? myspace?

                also she is a little older. if a 20 year old chick did this today, i don't think she would last 6 months. let alone 18.

                it is a great video and i would recomend everyone to watch it. I do think it still does apply today.

                [–]fish_farts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I may be a defective man (and lower than beta, say omega) and I'd rather not be a woman still. I don't think I could handle that. Despite that as not very masculine man I can somewhat relate to her experience as a "man".

                [–]pandorarosie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The question is now.

                Would you prefer to be a woman or a man?

                [–]jakenichols2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                She looks like Chris Hayes from MSNBC

                [–]GentleGiant350 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Any woman who cannot see how good women actually have it is a fucking moron. That's why I've never had time for feminists. They are trying to pretend that they are somehow oppressed when in fact, they are the most free, most choice-enabled, wealthiest cohort of people that have ever walked the Earth. It's the people on top complaining that they've got it just simply the worst.

                Men are expected to work hard, but still make time for family; to be driven, but not too single minded;, to be strong, but sensitive; to be fit, but not vain; to be wealthy, but not stingy (almost contradictory terms)...

                Women, on the other hand, are expected to, what? Do whatever they want to do, excuse any personality flaws on "gurl power", and stay reasonably attractive (although even that is not really that important anymore).

                With this whole "fat is beautiful" movement, they are trying to remove their one last responsibility. That's all that is left - don't get fat. Get rid of that one, and you're golden.

                [–]crispy3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                her cheeks and eyes are masculine, but her chin, hairline, lips, and nose are all feminine