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[–]4_YRT 496 points497 points  (116 children)

women are actually offended when a low SMV male hits on them. Women define their self-worth based on the quality of the man she has sex with. When a low-SMV male makes a pass at a woman he's basically insulting her by saying "I think I'm good enough for you."

If you're a low- SMV guy and you want to have some fun, go to a club with lots of attractive women and hit on them. You''ll ruin their night, and probably their week while they struggle to figure out what's wrong with them.

[–]DevilishRogue 220 points221 points  (50 children)

If you're a low- SMV guy and you want to have some fun, go to a club with lots of attractive women and hit on them. You''ll ruin their night, and probably their week while they struggle to figure out what's wrong with them.

Don't try this at home, kids! You'll probably end up getting thrown out violently by some white knighting bouncer.

[–]ioncloud9 120 points121 points  (40 children)

Just make sure you can handle that amount of rejection first. Low-SMV guys can get slammed pretty hard by the cold shoulder and ridicule.

[–]tsotha 130 points131 points  (25 children)

Sure, but if the object is to have fun trolling hot women and not actually landing hot women, the nastier the rejection the more fun you can have.

[–]jeffwingersballs 108 points109 points  (19 children)

This could be an effective strategy for getting over social anxiety. If you emotionally detach yourself from the result, you can get out there carefree.

[–]Nicollsroad 56 points57 points  (8 children)

Sounds like it could be a funny movie. Ugly guy gets rejected so much he decides to troll hot women for personal entertainment and then one time he actually gets lucky...and you write the rest!

[–]Daisy_DukeNukem 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Starring Ben Stiller as... the not so hot male model.

[–]Tom_The_Human 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I reckon Jonah Hill would be the perfect protagonist.

[–]piojosso 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I've been saying this to guys with low confidence for years. Go to a club, hit on women, get rejected a lot, detach yourself from the outcome. If you are successful... Congratulations! Instant confidence booster! If you aren't... Well, that's just you improving your resilience through hard work. I discretely followed a friend of mine once while he did this. We were 17yo. He got rejected by 47 girls in one night. In one place. He didn't even care. Just got to the next one. He got lucky on the 48th.

[–]ilphae 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This technique was popularized by psychologist Albert Ellis in his defining methodology, Rational Emotive Therapy. Yes, it works for most people.

[–]feelinglazy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any more links for further reading?

[–]sciencefacts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look up the rejection cards guy, he basically invented a stack of cards where each one has Something to ask a stranger for, you will get rejected and you will learn to deal with rejection.

[–]ioncloud9 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Sure but it can be difficult to handle it at that level if you aren't prepared.

[–]tsotha 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yesss... but you can hardly be unprepared if that was the goal at the start the evening, can you?

Am I the only one who's messed with a hot chick because she expected beta and I was bored?

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No, you're not.I mess with anyone, hot or homely, skinny or fat, just because I can. What difference does it make to me if she says no, someone else will say yes.

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Trolling chicks downtown in Chicago with friends as a teen was the most fun I've ever had in my life.

[–]pounds_not_dollars 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Most low SMV guys are invisible anyway.

[–]Hyperian 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And they dare making themselves visible by talking to them.

How dare you force yourself into my consciousness, i feel raped

[–]Entrefut 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Unless your goal is to go in to get rejected and ruin their week. Then the harder they deny you the better it is.

[–]my_name_is_the_DUDE 4 points5 points  (5 children)

If they actually had this much confidence though wouldn't that make them alpha though? I mean I'm a bit confused by what we define as low smv? Are we talking about actual looks/fitness, confidence, wealth? I'm sorry I've had a fairly redpilled outlook on the world since childhood, but I'm kind of new to this sub.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Short, fat, no muscle, seriously goofy looks, acne, desperate. I've fucked with girls since grade school, simply because I could, and I used to be very low smv. Now I can play desperate loser Rob Lowe at will just to fuck with them, then switch to calm cool, confident Rob Lowe and confuse the fuck out of them. Attitude is everything.

[–]piojosso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SMV is your value as a guy. That includes looks (both genetics and gained through hard work), money, confidence, sense of humor and everything that gives women the tingles.

[–]zanfr99 3 points4 points  (2 children)

There comes a point when you are misanthropic and antisocial enough you do not give any fucks anymore what others think of you.

This is when you come out to play.

[–]JACKDOGBOB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly what happened to me. Funny how I just didnt give a fuck anymore and became a completely different person. A true 180.

[–]AirWolf412 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Not saying it won't happen, but part time bouncer here. There is almost no one in the club I personally hate more than the self entitled 'hot chick' who thinks she gets everything for free, that the staff has to follow her every whim, that it's ok to dance on the speaker stack after I told her not too, that I give a shit about some guy hitting on her.

I for one would never throw a guy out for hitting on a hot chick, but then again I don't work in LA or Vegas so we aren't letting girls in based on their hotness.

[–]DaegobahDan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I can't recall who, but a fairly famous comedian told a story about this happening to him.

[–]AirWolf412 4 points5 points  (2 children)

About getting kicked out or about hating the self entitled hot chicks?

No idea what it's like to work at one of the clubs that has a velvet rope and lets in the girls based on looks. It would probably happen there since the hot chicks are what brings in the people who spend money.

We get all kinds of fat chicks, hot chicks, skanky chicks, but there's pretty much a guy for every type of girl that comes in and the all buy alcohol which is what the club wants. I hate working the door and having to listen to some girl tell me "what do you mean I have to pay the cover too?"

[–]DaegobahDan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He was talking to a girl and the bouncer white knighted him.

[–]AirWolf412 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That sucks. Shouldn't be like that, but doesn't surprise me. I've often kicked a guy out because a girl claimed he did something inappropriate like grabbing on the her or something... 9 out of 10 times we kicked the guy out so that he wouldn't get beat up by her male friends or some did white knighting trying to impress the girl. Did the guy actually do it? Who knows... does it matter at the time, no not really. Is it right? Not at all.

[–]LAUGHINGNONCHALANTLY 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I tried that 'at home' and nothing really hapenned. Of all the girls I approached in all the times I went only one of them acted like a bitch and at a setting like a club you can just go back to your thing and keep dancing to feel good. Like instant application of water on a burn, if it affects you much.

[–]1NV0K3R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit man this happens even if you are attractive and you piss off a less attractive girl by brushing her off but her friend just happens to be a white-knight bouncer.

I've been kicked out of every bar downtown where I live due to ignoring some girl or not being a footstool but she just happens to have the bouncer in orbit.

[–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not white-knighting if it's his job. Of course, if he throws you out because "what you're doing is wrong" then it is, but if he's giving you the boot because "we're having complaints about you", no foul. It's his job to make sure the people who spend the money (or get others to spend it) are the ones who're happy.

[–]imaRPman 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Us men have been trained to self select on their behalf. How dare any BP chump buck the rules.

[–]Mouthpiece 73 points74 points  (41 children)

Also, compliments from a low SMV Guy are deemed to be insincere, because they are assumed to be seeking something in return. Compliments from a high SMV guy, who is implicitly drowning in pussy, are more likely to be sincere and he is less likely, in their minds, to be fishing for something more.

[–]videogamema5ter 46 points47 points  (35 children)

Which is funny because the high SMV guys are more likely to want something in return and the low SMV guys are more likely to become orbiters satisfied with friendship.

[–]RojoEscarlata 80 points81 points  (31 children)

Nah, both seek to get their dicks wet, its just that a beta is too much of a pussy to make their intentions clear.

[–]videogamema5ter 23 points24 points  (13 children)

True, but high SMV guys are less likely to stick around and waste their time on a "friend" (someone who expects them to orbit them, who I wouldn't call a true friend.)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

This is known. This is also me circa 1 year ago.

[–]videogamema5ter 4 points5 points  (11 children)

Going through this now, I'm trying to stay away from her now to move on (and you never know what could happen if I meet her again when I have higher SMV, but it's best not to focus on that). Luckily it's not that hard because we don't have any classes together.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Man, I'm sorry you fell into that trap. Just remember, TRP totally works, and if she comes back to you, you have to be careful to discern between attempts to put you back into orbiter status and attempts to sleep with you after perceiving your rise in SMV.

[–]videogamema5ter 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Thanks, luckily I have quite a way to go for a good SMV so I have some time to read about game along the way (and maybe learn guitar, which I am excited about).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Ayy I just picked up guitar a while ago as well. We'll be ladykillahs.

[–]douguncensored 3 points4 points  (1 child)

See this all the time. Guy does a good job of cutting off communication and getting his shit together, then when a girl reaches back out the guy throws everything away by jumping back in head first.

I used to tell my buddies to reply to reach-out texts with one or two word answers and wait at least 10 minutes to reply each time. The short answers and long wait times really ramp up the girl's perception of an increase in SMV.

[–]2Kill_Your_Ego 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I typically take a day to respond and send two sentences. Then if they respond back I may respond within an hour. Then ask them to meet me for whatever thing I want to do and want company for. If they refuse they have to send me two texts before I'll reply again. If they don't do that then I never talk to them again. Win win situation.

[–]ioncloud9 8 points9 points  (2 children)

When I was younger in my teens and early 20s I was like that. Not willing to let your intentions known or make a move. That behavior is just painful to think about nowadays. Especially with its abundance in movies and culture. The trope of the awkward guy not willing to let his intentions be known or make a move getting the hot girl over the high-SMV guy who does.

[–]Unpopular_But_Right 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yep, this was me a number of years ago, too. I was the 'best friend' and we spent every day together. She even broke up with her fiance because, in her words, she had more fun hanging out with me than him and felt that if she was meant to marry someone, she would want to be with them all the time. Didn't want to make her marry me, though - or even date me.

[–]Grifter32 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's fuckin brutal. I feel your pain

[–]elruary 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yep I'm that pussy, kind of getting over it tbh, getting better I think.

Gym, not giving a fuck, working on one self I think will get the trick done eventually.

[–]MHOOD01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence 'don't let the pussy turn you into a pussy'.

[–]John_MayerMaynot 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Wait, isn't he making his intention clear by paying her compliments just like the good looking guy that gets laid all the time would be doing?

[–]throvvvvavvvvay 6 points7 points  (0 children)

paying her compliments

You're using compliments wrong.

Let's make this a video game analogy. Well received compliments might get you some bonus points, but that's not going to get you past the level. The only way to do that is to move forward while avoiding fatal mistakes.

If you do nothing but sit there and get bonus points then you're just going to run out the timer and then it's player 2's turn.

[–]RojoEscarlata 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Doesn't matter if they say the exact same thing, what matters really is the honesty of your intentions, your capability to be honest (vulnerable), not being needy and depend on the reaction of the girl, a male with high status with options doesn't get attached to the outcome and it shows. Really this topic should be a post by itself.

There was a post a few months ago about a YouTube video of a guy approaching a girl with a geek look and using beta body language who got rejected HARD, and then returning with a though look (the girl didn't recognized him) and hit on her and even got her to give him a handy.

Bitches make me laugh so hard.

[–]Casual_Tits 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I see you've been reading Models too.

[–]RojoEscarlata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its a great book regarding game, although I don't agree 100% with Mark. Highly recommended should be essential for every man taking the pill.

[–]MattyAnon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Compliments are supplication, and are not interpreted by women as clear intentions.

Clear intentions = escalation. ie actually doing something to make sex happen, rather than handing out compliments and hoping she'll reciprocate [ie weak in her eyes].

[–]Mouthpiece 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But not really. They all secretly harbor desires, especially for women who are out of their league.

Still though, funny to think about.

[–]videogamema5ter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, but guys with higher SMV have more options and don't tend to stick around if they know they can get the same thing from another woman. A guy with low SMV (especially one who hasn't realized rejection) might stick around as an orbiter with the hope of "maybe someday."

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's hamstering. She wants to fuck him so will rationalize his behavior as good

[–]1exit_sandman 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Also, compliments from a low SMV Guy are deemed to be insincere, because they are assumed to be seeking something in return. Compliments from a high SMV guy, who is implicitly drowning in pussy, are more likely to be sincere and he is less likely, in their minds, to be fishing for something more.

Yeah, already explained that to some girl at PPD who wondered how TRP explains how her "beta friend" (beta as in: supper-compliant, nice, acommodating etc.) happened to get laid all the time. Oh, he also was super-gorgeous.

My answer:

So do you have some sort of beta allowance scale? Like if you're this sexy, then you can be this beta if you want to get laid?

Pretty much. My take on it:

If you're already "high value" (whether the value is power, wealth, looks, status, genuine charme or any mix thereof), people assume that you're used to be treated as if the sun shines out of your ass - if you're kind, nice, acommodating and forthcoming from that position, it may actually count in your favor (unless people get used to that kind of special treatment) because it implies that despite you having been dealt a winning hand (and therefore being well able to get away with being an asshole without having to fear serious repercussions), you'll still go out of your way to show that you value other people. Basically, by being special, some of that specialness (subjectively) rubs off on them. Read Primary Colors and the descripion of how Bill Clinton Jack Stanton is described as awesome at pretending to be genuinely interested in the people he has around him and how that is responsible for his leadership charisma.

This by the way is also the problem when women say how much they'd appreciate being treated like a princess: they don't imagine Joe Everyman doing that but Brad Pitt, i.e. a guy that checks all their other boxes and finally is nice and forthcoming as a cherry on top. However, they usually omit that part (which is also the reason why TRPs take on women's advice is "pay attention to what they do, not what they say").

Now imagine the opposite - a low value person (whether it's being low status, weak, unattractive, introvert or any mix thereof) who is your stereotypically "nice guy": when dealing with that kind of people, the average person knows (a) that they could at the very least inconvience them without too many problems if they wanted to (think of your average pupil joining the picking on the unpopular guy/girl, or your average citizen being considered trustworthy over a homeless guy by default) and (b) that these people may probably hope to gain something by being nice, and, more importantly, gain more out of any relationship they establish that way than the other, "higher value" person (whether or not that's true doesn't matter, it's the perception that counts). In that situation, niceness isn't seen as something special, but as something one easily takes for granted in the best case and groveling with ulterior motives in the worst case; and it may also exacerbate the perception of being of higher value than the nice person ("well, if he is that forthcoming, he is probably more desperate than I thought").

Ironically, being effective at being aggressive or an asshole may (not necessarily has to) counter the effect of being low status because on the one hand it takes the person being treated in such a manner down a notch, and on the other (if played right) it projects a devil-may-care attitude and can come over as genuine confidence even when there's nothing to back it up. There's a reason some dark triad people can get away with so much stuff even if they're, realistically seen, for all intents and purposes absolute lowlifes.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They actually believe this even though it's so obviously bs as a man. They're both looking for something or else they wouldn't have taken any action.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 18 points19 points  (5 children)

It's like college. Colleges rank their value based on how many and who they can reject. If a school is only able to reject really shitty students and is very rarely accepting quality students, it looks bad on them.

[–]idrivesmallcars 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I used to make a habit out of being trashed at the bar, approaching a small group of ladies and shouting "YOUR FRIEND IS HOT!"

Ever seen 4 chicks all analyze each other at the same time? It's even better shithoused.

[–]SwissPablo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I hope you smiled, walked away and let them argue it out - the daggers come out.

[–]idrivesmallcars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I walk away laughing like one of the hyenas from the Lion King. Pretty much all I'm capable of when I'm drinking.

[–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I prefer yelling to my friend (so that they can hear) "Fuck no, I'm not hitting on the ugly one! No deal!" and watch them instantly lose a shit-ton of confidence.

[–]thrway1312 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of a game I read about a while back -- go out to the bar with some friends and intentionally try to get shot down.

Lets you see how much you can get away with and toughens your skin.

[–]TattedGuyser 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's fun, but you have to limit restrictions. Anyone can just go up and be a dumb-ass, you have to do it subtly. When my friends and I played, we each picked a 'role' to take up to see how awesome we could do it. I picked a high school nerd, even dressed the part, and followed through for the entire night. What a fantastic night, so many disgusting looks.

[–]StarDestinyGuy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you're a low- SMV guy and you want to have some fun, go to a club with lots of attractive women and hit on them. You''ll ruin their night, and probably their week while they struggle to figure out what's wrong with them.

That sounds fun. I kind of want to dress really shitty and try that.

[–]1IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously. Just a small change in posture (shoulders forward, hunch over a bit, keep eyes downcast) and they'll think you're a low-SMV guy even if you're a solid 8/10 when you stand up.

You don't have to be low SMV to look low SMV.

[–]gopher_glitz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you're a low- SMV guy and you want to have some fun, go to a club with lots of attractive women and hit on them. You''ll ruin their night, and probably their week while they struggle to figure out what's wrong with them.

I've never thought about it in that way before, this actually sounds kinda fun. The trick would be what is the best response when getting shot down? I'm guessing it would be best if the less you seemed to care the better.

[–]darkstout 193 points194 points  (31 children)

tl;dr Women only enjoy being "sexualized" by men who turn them on. Everyone else is "creepy."

So much unwanted sexualization

The last comment is a woman complaining about the hordes of men who want to have sex with her. How dare these men have sexual desires for her! Stop oppressing her and know your place--as a sexless beta orbiter!

[–]SenorPuff 83 points84 points  (20 children)

There's a broader point here, probably missed by some, later in her paragraph: if you want to have sex with a woman, fucking go for it, or hold your peace. If you let yourself get put into the friendzone, by not gaming her and trying to fuck her, by being a little bitch and hiding your intentions, you are her beta orbiter by your own choice. In very rare circumstances are you going to be able to, after your first or second meeting with a woman, be able to go from not directly pursuing her to directly pursuing her, let alone pussyfooting around asking her out by making it 'a joke' or some other bullshit. You have one chance.

If you don't immediately take it, next her, for the love of God. There should be three categories of people in your relational life: family/close male friends, suitable fucks, and nobodies. If she's not your mother or your sister and you aren't fucking her, she better be on the same tier as that homeless guy on the corner or the beer belly looser at work. If she's anything else, you let it happen.

Thats why you're a creep. You didn't just try to fuck her, you tried to trick her into fucking you. You should be ashamed of yourself, because that shady shit is gross.

[–]treefrog24 28 points29 points  (6 children)

I have no problem getting girls but I actually like having a few girls as friends. No it's not because I can't have them. I have a few female friends that want to get with me but I chose otherwise. My reason is because I'm just not that into them and they are a good way in with other girls they are friends with. I've ran through entire squads of girls because I was a good friend with one I never wanted to fuck. I'm all about TRP except this one aspect which is that it's impossible to be friends with a female. I'm not a beta orbiter but have chosen many times to not have sex with a girl when I see it wont benefit other situations I would prefer. Sorry but I prefer quality over quantity and banging any average chic I know I can stick my dick in.

[–]RobertCarraway 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I second this.

In addition to your reasons, I actually genuinely prefer talking with women when the topic is people/social situations. Here at TRP, we talk about things that women see constantly too, only they have an intuitive understanding of it.

It is fucking dull to talk to BP men about people. They're fucking idiots. It's just like trying to talk to your average women about highly rational topics. Forget it; you're better off sitting by yourself.

[–]SenorPuff 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You can do what you want. Remember, AWALT.

Choosing to not have sex with a particular girl is sometimes wise; don't stick your dick in crazy or gross. Nowhere do I even suggest you should. You determine which girls are suitable to be around you, which ones are good enough for you to fuck.

I'm also not against social game. Having female acquaintances you use for social proof and not fucking is acceptable, just like using social connections to further yourself in your job. That doesn't mean they are friends, or fuck buddies, they're in your life purely for what they offer you.

[–]somethingyo 19 points20 points  (2 children)

if females really have nothing to offer you other than sex and more sex, i suggest you enter different cliques. Friends are friends. Not everything has to be about business or money or sex.

[–]ourplanetblows 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I kind of disagree with the 3 category thing to be honest.

I have plenty of women in my life on the back burner.

I have no intention of having sex with them, nor do I pursue active friendships with them, they just kind of exist around me.

But on a rainy day/if I'm drunk enough, hey anything could happen.

[–]thepastIdwell 9 points10 points  (7 children)

It's so sad that we live in a world where socialization has to be a fucking science.

How I wish it was just "I like you, let's hang" "OK cool :D" instead.

[–]MattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah... I'd love it to be that simple too.

But both genders cannot simultaneously maximise their reproductive benefit, sexual priorities and social preferences.

What's good for one is bad for the other. Sure, there is a lot of common ground, but there is a lot of stuff where women and men cannot simultaneously win due to different preferences.

For you "let's hang out" makes sense. Low investment, potential large rewards, zero consequences. For her it doesn't. Low investment from a guy with no social credit nor visible options = poor genes and no support.

And from a more practical modern viewpoint - are you better than her other options? Are you dangerous? What if you turn out to be low social value and she is seen with you? Sure, she might not care.... but she sure fucking cares that her friends care. And they will. And she knows it.

Get yourself into the top 5% of men and I bet "let's hang out" works just fine without even the "I like you" part.

[–]tyofwa 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is known as the "Anger" phase.

[–]thepastIdwell 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Then it must be eternal, because I swallowed TRP before this sub existed. But it's still depressing. I'm never going to be "OK" with it. I've accepted it, sure, but I still think it sucks.

[–]Daisy_DukeNukem 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And the waitress is practicing politics

As the businessmen slowly get stoned

Yes they're sharing a drink they call The Red Pill

But it's better than drinking alone

Cheers mate. Shit's better with friends.

[–]Unpopular_But_Right 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do have a couple female friends that don't fall into those categories, but that's because they're in committed, long-term relationships and because I have no sexual interest in them. So in that sense it's basically just like being a close male friend.

[–]a_nus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Female friends are a great link to more pussy. Yes, male/female friendship can mever replace a male/male one. But limiting your social circle from girls who aren't suitable fucks is unnecessary.

[–]2Red_August 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"...WAY too many relationships have been destroyed..." she says when the feeble beta attempts to capitalise, and sexualise what she overtly intended to be a one-way orbiter-attention-providing relationship. Why else would she allow it? He's trying to hit above his station, and should know his place, and privilege to even be there.

[–]elruary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The thing is, both sides of the parties are pathetic, that bitch not realising how primitively egotistical she's being and beta guys who are just plain pussies.

[–]rymdsylt 73 points74 points  (9 children)

a while ago, my ex told me that an unattractive guy was staring at her and her friend when they were working out at the gym. her friend said "yuck, I wish that ugly guy would stop staring." I asked my ex if it would've been ok if he was attractive and with no hesitation she said "yeah it would", while looking at me like I was retarded.

so yet again we have it confirmed. it also feels great to not only read about stuff like this, but actually experience it first hand.

[–]1redpillbanana 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I asked my ex if it would've been ok if he was attractive and with no hesitation she said "yeah it would", while looking at me like I was retarded.

Notable here is the lack of introspection or any other kind of thought on the matter. This is pure stimulus-response.

[–]bluedrygrass 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And then they pretend we men are the impulsive ones. Always flipping the tables.

[–]robostanleys 87 points88 points  (6 children)

I think this kind of touches on what I hate about women and believe men are superior in.

If total honesty was given:

Man - I don't like that ugly woman staring at me. I'd be fine if she was attractive, I'd want that, but I'm not going to demonize this ugly girl for looking at me. If she talks to me I'm not going to be insulted, or angry. I may try to end the talk fast, but I'm not going to shit all over her. I wish it wasn't like this, but whatever.

Woman - Ew, why is that creepy loser staring at me. What the fuck. He's probably a rapist. Oh, look at that hunk staring at me, maybe I'll stretch a little for him. Why doesn't he come over here and talk to me?

No introspection, no objectivity, no sensitivity, and if you suggested to them they should feel those things they'd be astounded.

[–]SwissPablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women simply lack class when it comes to rejecting unattractive men.

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      [–]1chillaxbrohound 97 points98 points  (15 children)

      I used to think like this.

      The truth is that men are ugly too in some ways.

      If you want to call something ugly, and simultaneously make an important point, call feminist dogma ugly. That's what makes men become weak, depressed, and endlessly frustrated when the reality they're forced to conform to (feminism) doesn't match the way things actually work.

      Men want sexy women. Women want sexy men. The only difference is that men don't have a bullshit ideology they aggressively force and intimidate everyone into believing despite any simple evidence to the contrary.

      [–]billthane 48 points49 points  (11 children)

      Sadly, there's really no "master-race" that has no flaws. There are a lot of shitty men, a lot of shitty women, and the vast majority of people have flaws which may or may not be dealbreakers to you. One of my most memorable experiences was just after getting a hang for the Red Pill ideas, and I realized that a girl I'd had oneitis for for a long time wasn't actually relationship material. A harsh wakeup, but liberating.

      [–]LoyalLuBu 48 points49 points  (8 children)

      Sadly, there's really no "master-race" that has no flaws.

      /r/pcmasterrace disagrees, I imagine.

      [–]ioncloud9 36 points37 points  (3 children)

      can confirm. filthy console peasants.

      [–]widec 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      That weak local multiplayer though, I have to say that is the biggest flaw of PC gaming

      [–]LoyalLuBu 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Eh, it matters less for adults. Once you're older than 18 and all of your buddies live more than a couple of blocks away, the local multiplayer doesn't compare too well to online multiplayer.

      More often than not, when the rare occassion pops up for local multiplayer, my PC is used for emulating old SNES games rather than going for an actual console. YMMV.

      [–]BiggestDickInTheRoom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      One of my most memorable experiences was just after getting a hang for the Red Pill ideas, and I realized that a girl I'd had oneitis for for a long time wasn't actually relationship material.

      Along a similar vein, my original path down TRP was years ago (before this sub existed) in pusuit of a oneitis who was IMO the ultimate woman. Once I got myself in order I realized I didn't want her. I could have her, even today, and I still like the girl, but I friendzoned her. She's smart, cute, funny, sexy, crazy, manipulative, self centered... I understand what makes her tick now and those realizations made her not very attractive to me.

      [–]smokingmonkey420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Don't forget about the weakness of beta men. It takes two to tango in this game.

      [–]1tombreck2 42 points43 points  (3 children)

      If a compliment has no sexual meaning behind it (an old man tells a girl she has a nice dress) then the girl will like it.

      If there is any sexual meaning behind it (10 hours walking in NYC) then the girl will be turned off.

      Of course, if you have an objective SMV higher than the woman then she will like it.

      [–]theproudbanana 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      This. The video about the girls walking he got pissed because low SMV`s were the ones hitting on her.

      [–]TattedGuyser 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Well didn't one chick do the same thing in Australia? If memory serves the girl got mad because none of the hot Australian men didn't even do a double take n her. She wasn't worth the time of day to those guys who could easily pull a chick much hotter then her.

      [–]coolbird1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Yep her boyfriend also hit on her in a train/subway like that but he had a higher SMV so she liked it and they hooked up.

      [–]goodguy29 55 points56 points  (6 children)

      women are not only unattracted to beta guys - they are actively repulsed by them. They feel a sick sensation in their gut when they see an emasculated man.

      I just imagine how I feel when I come into contact with a masculine, overbearing, controlling woman. It's repulsive to me. I believe women feel the same way when looking at a thoroughly beta man.

      [–]smile_e_face 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Thanks for this bit of insight. It makes much more sense when put this way.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      If a masculinized dyke approached me and tried to hit on me, I would be very, very uncomfortable. If she said anything or did anything even remotely sexual toward me, I'm walking away. Same thing with a fat chick, I don't have a BBW fetish, sorry babe.

      Most women are straight, and they are attracted to men, not women in a man's body. Yuck.

      [–]goodguy29 28 points29 points  (3 children)

      Even a woman who's not necessarily the butch/dyke type, though. Women who are controlling, domineering, bitchy, bossy, and loud. Those traits are just hideously unattractive, and on a woman with an already low SMV, they're flat out intolerable.

      [–]aTweetingBird 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      It's no surprise to me that the friends of mine that identify as a feminist are still single and about to hit the wall. Their masculine attitudes are just plain unattractive.

      [–]Areimanes 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Only betas would stick with a girl like that.

      I know a girl that fits that bill to a T, is slim with a very nice chest but a below average face. She's the only girl that hangs around in a group of five low SMV men (comp.sci, mathematics, engineering) one of whom is her boyfriend.

      She (physically) flirts with the other guys a bit - even when her boyfriend is there and they lap up the attention.

      No man with a high SMV would tolerate that.

      [–]WerewolfofWS 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Also, to add, I bet they feel insulted when an attractive male fails to give them attention.

      [–]Austintvtious 28 points29 points  (7 children)

      What the hell was that last bitch rambling about

      [–]complex21 35 points36 points  (5 children)

      basically saying that it gets old when she goes out and get's dolled up and no good looking guy that she's "trying" to attract will notice her/talk to her, and only the guys that she doesn't find attractive will be the one to notice/compliment her.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 53 points54 points  (4 children)

      Well, then she clearly isn't as attractive as what she feels, is she.

      I find this behavior most frequently in lower SMV girls that have fucked a few higher end guys, but can't get them to commit to them.

      [–]thecajunone 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      That, and things like Tinder where girls receive constant validation from thirsty betas has raised the price of pussy.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      The Dutch tulip market has nothing on this bubble.

      [–]redbluepilling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I'm investing in bitcoin and pussy.

      [–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Well, then she clearly isn't as attractive as what she feels, is she.

      Pretty much all Western women have this problem. Even considering women can usually bag a guy 1 or 2 points above them, they still overestimate their own SMV. (ie, 6's only looking for 9's or above)

      [–]Blake55 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      When I was in school (about 15/16), one of the girls was sobbing hysterically one afternoon, like a relative had died unexpectedly or something. She hadn't had a bf before. Turns out there wasn't a death in the family, but instead a low SMV guy had asked her out. It really was the ultimate insult, and there was nothing she could do about it... I don't know what her friends were saying to comfort her, probably something along the lines of 'don't worry, your SMV is way higher gurrrrl'.

      [–]Spacemage 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      To be honest, I've had women I think are unattractive tell me they think I look good, or would like to talk, and I feel the same way.

      [–]complex21 34 points35 points  (1 child)

      From the youtube video of the Girl that was walking in NYC getting hit on. Look at her face, each time a guy makes a comment that she's beautiful.

      Each time she looks extremely repulsed by all the guys, be it old or young that are telling she's beautiful

      Now, imagine if Leo Dicaprio or George Clooney had walked along her and told her shes pretty, it would of made her entire year.

      [–]ToonTheShed 64 points65 points  (4 children)

      Cya guys later I'm off to the gym!

      [–]Not-a_hobbit 11 points12 points  (5 children)

      To be fair, this woman is specifically indicating that she feels insulted by an unattractive man hitting on her. This is not the definition of a beta. To me, it shows how shallow the woman is...not that she's repulsed by a beta. Damnit but there are some unattractive alphas out there....I guarantee you that if that unattractive man whipped out his black card, she'd never have written this bit.

      edit: English is hard...

      [–]_the_shape_ 45 points46 points  (55 children)

      "Looks don't matter!! Only how confident you are and how much game you have matters!!"


      Try picking up a girl with this face -!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_635/gal-gn-johnmatuszak-1-jpg.jpg

      Looks don't matter THAT much, but they certainly do matter. This PUA nonsense about looks being immaterial needs to be stamped out already.

      [–]isthatyourdaughter 75 points76 points  (2 children)

      Whatever, brah that dude's a movie star

      [–]_the_shape_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      @ isthatyourdaughter - lol he's got high value to override his trainwreck of a face

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 11 points12 points  (6 children)

      To be fair, most men are going to be near the center of the bell curve on attractiveness.

      So to the -average- man, game WILL increase his sexual situation dramatically.

      Plus, the PUA nonsense is obviously intended for beginners. Does attractiveness matter? Of course. Will a guy, any guy, PROBABLY be better off if he acts like it doesn't matter at first? Yeah, probably. He'll have higher confidence and do things he otherwise wouldn't have, talk to hotter girls than he ever has before. He can figure out what his actual SMV from observing how the market reacts to him.

      I'd say I'm average to slightly below average SMV based on physical appearance (I'm short), and I remember going out with a buddy when we first started out, and just him and I shouting at each other at one point, "THIS SHIT WORKS!!!!", because we were so excited at the reaction. I thought attractiveness didn't matter - and my average attractiveness level kept skyrocketing for months and months as I kept realizing I could do better.

      [–]amazing_h 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      dude that's a useful lie.

      Using the 0 to 10 scale. assuming that people's attractiveness is normally distributed around the mean=5, for the sake of argument let's assume a standard deviation of 2.

      The Chebychev inequality tells us that 95% of the population falls between 1 and 9 and 66,6% falls between 4 and 6.

      Sumoning the experience of Good Looking Loser who states that a tight game can lead you up to 3 points above your attractiveness.

      You can see that 2/3 of the population can (using game alone) attract women who are 7 and above.

      If you add to that factors that are emphasized a lot in this place, lifting, money, and an interesting life. for the majority of people it's achivable. Hence the useful lie. without contradicting what you said, it's not the case of the majority of guys here so why bother.

      [–]Ovadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Change what you can change, don't worry about what you can't. If you look like Mickey Rourke don't despair, you can still probably bag a 5 or 6. It all feels the same with the lights off, and if she isn't blindingly beautiful chances are you're less likely to do something stupid like put her up on a pedestal.

      [–]reddit_user__ 10 points11 points  (11 children)

      Looks are everything dude. Game means nothing when you're looking good. You just have to talk normally and that's it.

      [–]BiggestDickInTheRoom 25 points26 points  (9 children)

      I disagree completly. Good looking losers are frustrated as all hell. Looks can get your foot in the door, but if you are a low confidence annoying dweeb it won't get you much farther. That's what shit tests are for: once the guy makes the cut in the looks department, the shit test filters out the good looking losers from the breeding stock. You need both.

      [–]tallwheel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      This was me. Girls would approach me, and quickly lose interest as soon as they figured out I was an awkward beta loser. It didn't take long for them to figure that out either. My body language upon being approached would give me away immediately.

      So, obviously, both looks and game are important. If either one is completely lacking you are fucked either way. Even if you excel at one, the other must be at least an acceptable level.

      [–]smokingmonkey420 6 points7 points  (21 children)

      That's quite an extreme example.

      Take a guy who's of average height and build and looks become inconsequential when a man has status, money and game.

      [–]_the_shape_ 14 points15 points  (18 children)

      That's why I added that looks don't matter THAT much, but they do in fact matter. The PUA industry tries to peddle this patently false notion that looks are completely inconsequential, that the guy must focus entirely on his game, when the fact of the matter is that girls DO factor in looks. The PUA industry runs parallel to red pill thinking, but it avoids areas that do not benefit ($) them. Not every guy must look like a spitting image of David Beckham, but it does happen often that a girl rejects a guy because she simply is not into his 'look', irrespective of what he might be able to offer outside of that.

      [–]AlCapown3d 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Couldn't have said it better. Things are rarely black and white.

      [–]tsotha 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      If looks really didn't matter, you wouldn't have to work out. Of course looks matter.

      But by the same token, if you keep your weight down and have reasonably defined arms you're gonna pretty much be at least a 6 no matter what your face looks like. That's the upside to obesity in half your competition.

      [–]theproudbanana 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Average height? As in no short. You added something that puas tell that doesnt matter. It does.

      [–]LMS_THEORY_ 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      If you have low SMV, you're invisible to women. It's like you don't exist

      [–]SILENTSAM69 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      I remember explaining this to some women in University. I was trying to tell them that the feeling they get when they find a guy hitting on them "creepy" is the same way men feel when a fat girl hits on us.

      They didn't seem to like the idea that it wasn't the guys fault for being creepy, and that it was obviously my fault for my feelings toward the fat girl. I was laughing that they couldn't see the double standard.

      [–]t21spectre 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      That's the difference between flirting and harassment. If she finds you attractive (i.e. would fuck you).

      [–]metallica11 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      what I am wondering is:

      how MUCH difference does your approach make on whether you are the "how dare you to talk to me" guy she is not attracted too and the "wow you can say and do what you want to me and I'll still say yes" attractive guy?

      Is your fate already sealed from before you open your lips? How much wiggle room do you have?

      I am asking because I see plenty of vanilla guys with a poor approach still elicit a positive response (with the girl saying "he barely talked to me! he was looking away from me! it must mean he was not interested as a rationalization for what is in fact beta behavior) and plenty of average looking guys/ ugly guys saying the right things but still eliciting a poor response.

      [–]fuckwithpurpose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      On top of everything else, the 60/40 principle still applies: peoples' reaction to you is 60% them, 40% you. I think I learned about it from an RSD video, but it's written about here:

      In Fearless I coined the 60/40 Principle of Human Reaction which states that when interacting with a woman (or anyone, really), 60% of her actions (or reactions) are based on factors that were present before you ever walked into her life and factors that you usually can’t do anything about.

      What are some of these factors? How’s her day been? How outgoing/shy is she? How talented of a conversationalist is she? How many drinks until she feels comfortable interacting with a complete stranger? Does she have a boyfriend/husband? Was her heart recently broken? Does she feel fat in that dress? Was her boss a dick today? Is she having a bad hair day?You get the point. You don’t tend to do this with people you’re not attracted to, but throw a pretty girl in front of you and all of the sudden you act like her actions are saying a lot more about you than they do about her.


      If a woman you’re not attracted to isn’t responding much in the conversation, you may write her off as being boring. A woman you find attractive isn’t responding much, all of a sudden you’re not interesting enough, you didn’t say the right thing or ask the right question, there was something you could have done differently that would have gotten a different reaction, etc. All of a sudden the burden of the conversation’s success or failure shifts squarely to your shoulders, and you even go as far as justifying her less-than-glorious behavior as being acceptable or even positive because of the way she looks.

      [–]blandboringusername 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Last comment is from a very sought after teenage girl. She has no idea how much her life will change fairly soon when she plumps out a little and/or approaches 35 (some would say 30). I get that it's annoying living in a world apparently comprised of 90% penis salesmen.

      Honestly the world we live in is much worse for everybody than it could be. Twenty pounds of fat will take any young woman from an 8.5 to a 6 or below. The average weight for a 20+ woman in the US is 164 lb. That's about forty pounds heavier than what most of us would consider attractive.

      Hence a few skinny little teenage and twenty-something girls are fed up with too much attention, while pudgy cat ladies everywhere sit at home alone eating ice cream and crying.

      [–]1Zanford 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      The minimum wage job comparison is illumating. Women are offended by the beta's overture b/c it scares them into worrying their SMV is low enough he might be rational for thinking he had a chance. 99.9% of the time it is this. 0.1% of the time it is b/c they are actually worried about their physical safety.

      Louis CK's "Louie" show did this in reverse...a fat chick tells Louis that dumpy guys like him avoid flirting with fat chicks, but hot guys don't mind, b/c they are not worried anyone will think they are actually on the same level.

      [–]ETH_Zurich 22 points23 points  (2 children)

      I remember when I was in grade school and tried to talk to this crush I had for a while. At the beginning, I was nervous but eventually went for it. I approached her and gave her a light touch. Before I could open my mouth, she said "It makes me sick to my stomach when you touch me." This concept was never really new to me, but I was very, very naive and BP. It's like other people saw the world, adapted and moved on.

      In the grand scheme of things, it's not that important because chikky now seems to be on NutriFast and munching on Grapenuts since she evidently lacks any self control.

      [–]BorMato 11 points12 points  (9 children)

      Do you guys feel that the value of compliments from women shift depending on how attractive the woman is? Just curious.

      Personally I don't. To do otherwise is to pedestalize women in my opinion.

      [–]DevilishRogue 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      It's about the sincerity of the compliment, not the attractiveness of the woman giving it.

      [–]ManRAh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Unless a woman is giving off a really odd vibe, I generally take them all at roughly the same level. Although I would say there are distinct differences between women who compliment for something in return, women who compliment just to be genuinely nice (platonic), and those who compliment as a display of interest. Generally equally flattering though.

      [–]4_YRT 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      The only complements that I internalize are from married woman that I'm otherwise not attracted to. Because they have no reason to complement me unless it's true. If a single, attractive woman complements me (outside of a situation where I'm flirting with her), I just assume she's trying to get something from me.

      [–]justmanthings 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      No. Hot women almost never compliment, and when they do compliment it's usually from a perspective of condescension.

      [–]BiggestDickInTheRoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It depends on the compliment.

      If some hambeast says they like the shirt I'm wearing, then sure, that's just as good as a supermodel telling me that. However, that hambeast complimenting the curvature of my ass in my jeans has a significantly different gutteral reaction in me than the supermodel. Anything that makes me picture this girl/dude putting their mouth on my body is going to cause an emotional reaction in me proportional to the extent I want that mouth on my body.

      [–]tsotha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I assume when women complement me they're pursuing an agenda. It's been my experience, anyway.

      [–]greyestofblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Attractive girl gives compliment: Either I think she's humoring, patronizing me, or setting up to manipulate me.

      Unattractive women gives compliment: She's hitting on me. Kind of feel bad because I want to be nice a reciprocate, but don't want to lead her on.

      [–]DumpyLips 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      this should put the war on "street harassment" into perspective.

      [–]RPthrowaway123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      This is the most perfect confirmation of a red pill truth. And the women on askwomen are nasty hags so imagine what the actually attractive women think.

      Keep working on yourselves gentlemen, because women are ruthless.

      [–]Gold_Mouth 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      This shit makes me feel terrible because I've seen women treat men this way. I've actually female friends get mad at other guys for saying almost the exact same thing I said, and then when they're called out on it, they turn around and say "Well, it's different when Gold_Mouth says it". I'm not bragging, but everyday I thank God or whoever's running this shit that I pretty much won the genetic lottery. My social skills weren't always the greatest, but fortunately, that can be learned.

      [–]1DowntownSacramento 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Straight up, hotness is the cureall.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      hmm, i dont see how that relates to nice guys (i get your point, and partially agree with you though)

      the women are going on about "attractive"-ness. not nice-ness. if you're rich/handsome and a social disaster you're a cute nerd. if you're rich but not handsome she'll convince herself she sees the real you. etc, etc. we know this all too well.

      attractive means different things to a woman at the different phases of her life.

      young -> alpha big john.

      wall -> good guy tom builder

      they are more brutal about it than men are though, is what i find. but then again, they would be. nothing wrong with that too i might add! a good dose of truth to the face is good to wake this slumbering couch potato of a male generation that we have these days.

      so aye, be attractive, don't be unattractive. lift and improve. always.

      [–]JustApproach 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      If you don't go after what you want, you'll never have it. If you don't ask, the answer is always no. If you don't step forward, you're always in the same place.

      It is unfortunate that we live in a world where being forwardness, being clear and blunt has been seen as awkward. But being wishy washy and sneaking your way into a girls life has been seen as okay.

      [–]drieszz 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      I told my (now ex-)girlfriend that she was beautiful on occasion, so I didn't overdo it but she didn't really care, but when a random drunk, good looking dude said to me "Your girlfriend's hot!" when my ex was with me, she was so happy and flattered. I hate that bitch

      [–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      They should put a label on Women: Third-party certification required for maximum enjoyment and pleasure.

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          [–]SolidFisher 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          That's it. I'm gonna stop shaving, always have a beer can on hand and start speaking my mind... unfiltered and all that shit.

          [–]cock_pussy_up 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Women are insulted when men who they think are beneath them show interest in them. This is because they judge their own SMV by the types of men who show interest.

          They don't realize that a lot of men will try to sleep with all kinds of different women, from ugly to attractive. Men will go for women who are "above their league" and women who are "below their league".

          So some women will get approached by men who are out of their league and it'll make them think their SMV is higher than it really is. Or they'll be approached by unattractive men and it'll hurt their self-esteem because they then feel unattractive.

          [–]cock_pussy_up 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          She may marry you, but that don't mean she likes you.

          The equivalent for women is "he may fuck you, but that don't mean he likes you."

          [–]MyNewAccount9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Also, note how fucking heartless they're being toward the OP. Forget about content: They are not just speaking truth, they are saying it in a cruel way to a really nice guy who asked them for help.

          [–]Buchloe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Interesting how in both examples the women relate it to an unwanted job offer. Really drives in the marketplace analogies we use here regarding SMV

          [–]McDurden 8 points9 points  (12 children)

          The top comment

          No. I always appreciate compliments, but honestly they have more weight when they're coming from attractive people.

          Is written by this woman:

          Hypergamy much?

          [–]All-DayErrDay 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          HA. Almost anything would be hypergamy to her.

          [–]1spicy_fries 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          but honestly they have more weight

          Weight?! She said "weight"?! Bahahahahaha!

          [–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Aww its deleted. What was it?

          [–]sterlinghtsmi 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          A great line to say to an attractive older woman, say in her mid 30's or so, who has that shit attitude of, "I'm hot and I know it" is, " I would love to date you........if you were 10yrs younger" or "you're so pretty.....not like you were a few years ago but still, not bad for an older gal" Just be sure to ducK if she swings.

          [–]jbrendlinger6152 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          its fine because at like 35 they are gonna be alone and divorced and some of these beta males will have money, women are twats just gotta deal with it

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          tbh this really does go with both genders. When an ugly girl flirts with me there is a pang of disgust as well, but I treat them nicely enough.

          [–]Forty_Deuce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I take it in stride. Attractive or ugly, women are women. So even if a woman I am not attractive to, and there is no way I'm going to let anything escalate past that moment, I'll still go with the conversation. My conversation skills aren't the greatest so I just see it as another opportunity to enhance my skills. Afterwards, I go about my day and life.

          [–]GregariousWolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Handle it with aplomb and take comfort in this piece of knowledge: if women below your league are approaching you, the you are doing something right. You are sending the right signals out to all women. You should be able to pull in your league and with a little work punch out of your current bracket into a higher one.

          [–]TimPartendale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          She may marry you, but that don't mean she likes you.

          Nope, she just likes your money :)

          [–]SisypheanSavior 8 points9 points  (6 children)

          And we're not repulsed by horrendously unattractive women hitting on us?

          Having a fat black chick hit on me on okcupid is like getting a job offer for cleaning toilets at McDonald's when I have an engineering degree.

          Work on yourself so the mere act of talking to a woman does not bring her into existential despair. Work on yourself so your okcupid inbox doesn't reinforce how much you suck.

          [–]1cover20 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          No I am not actively repelled. I remember a fat girl wanted to go out with me in high school.

          I didn't want to, but I didn't know how to tell her "no" and spare her feelings either, especially because I suspected she would not get many chances with other boys either.

          I flaked on the date as I recall. But I just felt stuck, it's not that I disliked her or anything.

          [–]graduallywinning 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          Now have that happen to you once a week for 5 years and we'll see how accommodating you are.

          [–]GenericHusband 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          If you're the kind of person that cares if your actions genuinely hurt other people, emotionally or otherwise, I imagine you would still be pretty accommodating, if not more direct.

          I don't justify women or give them a pass for being rude, just because they have to "deal" with people wanting to fuck them a lot. Poor them. I don't care if it's your 10,000th rejection that week, if you think you can just shit all over someone's heart and it's ok because you're "tired" of "dealing" with it, go fuck yourself right out of my life, thanks.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          There's only so much time in the day. This is why celebrities come off as douchebags. They just literally don't have the time to deal with humans at a certain level.

          [–]GenericHusband 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Except they do have the time. Saying they don't have the time is a weak cop out.

          For instance, assume someone runs up to Mark Wahlberg on the street and asks for an autograph. In the time it would take him to say "Fuck off, dude." he can say, "I'm sorry, I can't right now."

          My point is this: If they have the time to be rude, they had the time to be kind. They simply chose not to.

          This whole scenario reminds me of a quote from Warcraft 3. For context: The demon Kil'jaeden is climbing Mount Hyjal, set to destroy to World Tree and the world itself shortly thereafter. The only possible way the races of the world can survive the onslaught is to set a trap for Kil'jaeden, something Malfurion Stormrage sets off to do. By some fantasy logic, according to Tyrande Whisperwind, setting this trap would sap the Night Elf race(Stormrage and Whisperwind are Night Elves) of their powers of nature and their immortality. Setting this trap, successfully saving the world would cause the Night Elves to face their mortality for the first time since they came to exist. Not only that, they would dwindle in strength over time. A difficult choice, to which Malfurion states, " If pride gives us pause, my love, then perhaps we have lived long enough already."

          All in all, you are NEVER in such a position, state or status that you cannot act with kindness to someone above or below you by any metric. To pretend that your treatment of others is somehow anything but your responsibility is nonsense.

          [–]cock_pussy_up 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Personally I don't really care if women I'm not attracted to show interest in me. I only get annoyed if unattractive women are too aggressive and persistent. If an unattractive woman looks at me on the street, I don't really care. If she follows me around for 6 months, and spreads rumors to stop me from getting with other women, then I'll be annoyed.

          [–]deadlee_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I get offended when fat girls hit on me, but I take their number anyway because Jaegermeister.

          [–]sealteamaus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          that is awesome, referring to a beta as a minimum wage job. whats even better is that she has no idea how much she let the cat out of the bag

          [–]paracog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And this is why the universe in its infinite wisdom, created hitting the wall.

          [–]ex_astris_sci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Wait I thought they were referring to unattractive men, not "soft" men. Obviously, the latter are by no means chosen over alphas but I don't think they'd say they are disgusted by them.

          [–]DexiAntoniu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I never understood how this is controversial, or a hidden truth. Hell, even I get a bit upset when an ugly chick makes a pass at me. Not the attention I want, I keep myself good looking for more than this.

          Can't imagine how maddening it must be for women...

          [–]davidmoore0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is a very small example. I applaud the poster, but the responses are similar to that of a "we cured cancer!" news article in which everyone doesn't ask for sources.

          [–]OilyB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Isn't this just about the problem women - in general - have with saying 'Please leave me alone' out loud? Where men - in general - have less of a problem with it, we're even seldom in that situation!

          We think it's a cruel thing to say but we still do, but women will go along, further into the conversation and then get frustrated about how to get out of the situation, externalize the responsibility over the situation and blame lame guys for their own inability to cut a convo with the lame guy short.

          "I didn't like being approached by him and he should have smelled that.."

          [–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          ugly, older, masculine, and fat women experience the same thing. we are hardly any different from all other mammalian species.

          [–]raiseurT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          MEN DEEMED "unattractive" BY A BUNCH OF KUNTS ON ASKWOMEN =/= BETA.

          [–]Mark_D_Aardvark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          When Women ask me to be just their friend, I have honestly been insulted. Following your analogy, it's sort of like having an amazing degree and work experience, and someone seriously asking you if you want a minimum wage job.

          [–]Kose2kose 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Women are so fuckin evil it's disgusting

          [–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You know, sometimes I think that too. But you have to think with a cooler head and repeat after me:

          " This is apart of evolution"

          " For whatever reason, attractiveness (which does not intimidate predators from another species, natural threats such as rock slides or discourage potential aliens from zapping us) is viewed as genetically superior and therefore desirable from an evolutionary standpoint"

          " I ask my body to grant me the strength to accept the things I cannot change and the courage to change the things which I can"

          [–]robostanleys 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Only what women don't realize is that just because someone will ignore the fact that you only have an associates degree in bullshit, they'll still offer you jobs worth 6 figures that require ph.ds. Then, after they take the job, they get fired after one day. Then when someone comes along with another offer them 40K a year and a 401K they still think they're worth the 6 figure job and have fooled themselves into thinking they have a ph.d. or equivalent.

          Is this analogy getting stretched enough?