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[–]SarahMakesYouStrong 208 points209 points  (339 children)

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So I came to this sub to see if there was a discussion about this here. Most other subs discussing the issue feel like this is "red pill" type of behavior and I wanted to see how you guys feel about that classification? Do you think what he was upset about is in line with how you feel? I'm not making any redpill hate or trying to stir the pot - genuinely looking for a rounded discussion. Since I keep seeing you guys pop up in regards to this situation I would like to hear your opinions.

[–]noblepaladin 79 points80 points  (2 children)

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As with any forum on self improvement, you will have over representation of the fat tails. I am sure there is a greater percentage of omega men on this forum than on others, because they are the ones that end up actively seeking self improvement communities to try to fix their problems, and they are also extremely active when they join the community because they are getting something from it.

This is far easier to see when you look at /r/personalfinance, because money is quantitative and you can be 100% sure about what is right or wrong. They generally provide very good information and advice on stuff like retirement accounts, investing, budgeting, taxes, etc. But there are also a ton of posts that are like "I have $50k in credit card debt, what should I do!" or "2 years after college, defaulting on my student loans, and I am still unemployed!". It is no surprise that you have a vast over representation of these people who are at the bottom 10% in terms of financial status, because those are the types that come to seek help. You also have an over representation of the top 10% too, people who max out their 401Ks, use backdoor Roth IRAs, do advanced estate planning to minimize taxes, and other things that 90%+ of the population are completely clueless about. These guys love this stuff, which is why they are in the community. It is natural for the fat tails to form at the top and bottom of the distribution in these types of forums.

The point is, it is a fallacy to take the bottom fat tail and assume that it is what the group represents. It is a common strategy in smear campaigns, it happens in politics all the time. But it is obvious incorrect to claim that "/r/personalfinance tells people to get $50k in credit card debt, and to major in art history so you can be unemployed forever", just because there are a lot of people who have posted that. Those are the types of behavior that /r/personalfinance preaches against. It should be no surprise that many people with poor financial habits go to /r/personalfinance so they can learn good ones. It should be no surprise that many people who come here are omega males that want to change. But that doesn't mean we encourage people to be omega males.

[–]conscienceking 25 points26 points  (1 child)

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This is an important point that warrants further discussion: the perception bias about TRP can't be solved without attempting to understand and disclose what exactly TRP is, and why young men seek it out.

[–]I_BRING_THE_STORM 370 points371 points  (103 children)

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It's not red pill behavior. Obviously he was bitter that women passed him by, but a red pill man would take upon himself to legitimately fix himself, not kill six others because he resented that they had something he didn't.

[–]lemonparty 297 points298 points  (76 children)

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If you read his manifesto, you also learn that he pedestaled pussy to an extreme degree basically his entire life since puberty. It turned into hating of women and sex in the very end, but it was twenty years of making vagina the Holy Grail of his existence that really fucked up his head.

He also devotes dozens of pages to his degenerative gambling habit in which he drove thousands of miles to buy Powerball tickets to the tune of $500-$700 a pop. His twisted thinking was that getting "rich" would allow him to attract pussy -- even though he was already from a 1% type of family: expensive cars, opulent first class vacations, endless stream of spending money, multiple psychiatrists, etc.

His failed relationships with male friends and roomates are every bit as telling as his inability to socialize with females. He was quite simply socially broken. Truly mentally ill.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (7 children)

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If you read his manifesto, you also learn that he pedestaled pussy to an extreme degree basically his entire life since puberty.

This definitely was a huge problem that he had. He wasn't a bad looking guy at all, he could have pulled in an average looking girl and had a decent relationship with her if he just relaxed and quit overthinking so much.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    Man has no game. I look worse than him and I've simply learned to compensate that with a good physique and plenty of practice.

    [–]Gyaltso 31 points32 points  (4 children)

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    It's the aspergers/autism. Any normal functioning human being can pick up on that intuitively. Everybody knew he was a little off. You can see it in the video...in his mannerisms...his tone..his speach. I've seen this in more than a couple of kids I've gone to school with. Their social IQ is close to zero.

    [–]thedeathofgod 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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    You are correct. I have asperger syndrome. It is best describe of a form of social color blindness. The sad part is that he couldn't have changed that part of himself, short of rewiring his brain. I have zero game.

    It's a good thing I'm pretty cause if i wasn't, I'd never get laid.

    [–]SigmaMu 68 points69 points  (2 children)

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    He thought pussy was literally winning the lottery? That may be the least "Red Pill" thing I've ever heard. Supplanting a guy I know who got a girls name tattooed on his bicep while she was fucking other dudes.

    [–]Offensive_Brute 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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    Lol dude musta been a virgin if he thought THAT highly of sex.

    [–]lenolaj 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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    He was, apparently.

    [–]MrMagwitch 44 points45 points  (23 children)

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    .

    [–]shadowbanned6 22 points23 points  (18 children)

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    [–]BlackOrbWeaver 17 points18 points  (15 children)

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    To a certain degree, I agree with this, too. I consider myself a feminist, but in the sense where both sexes need empowerment, and the idea of prostitution honestly doesn't sound wrong to me. I don't personally think that there's anything demeaning about finding a financial niche with a relatively easy job simply because the job requires sex, and I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal.

    [–]colovick 5 points6 points  (9 children)

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    A study on the social effects of polygamy shows that it decreases availability of sexual partners for a disproportionate amount of men, leading to more illegal/immoral means of acquiring it for more men from the bottom up socially speaking and is linked to extremist views like in the middle East... Quite literally, legalizing voluntary prostitution will decrease rape and kidnappings of women, as well as give more men a better, grounded view of sex... The only downside is decreasing the collective feminine power of sex over some men... And it's sad if anyone looks at those options and has trouble deciding which is more important

    [–]Mr_Andry 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    Because religion. There's just no other reason in the modern age where we have birth control, reliable condoms, and STD testing. Only religion is making us sexually repressed, which makes everything so much worse.

    [–]BlackOrbWeaver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    There was actually a fairly recent study published about masturbation and shame. There tends not to be a difference between the frequency of masturbation between someone with a healthy sex outlook and someone that has been convinced that their masturbation habit is an "addiction." When they view masturbation as an addiction, a whole host of other problems come up, and the idea of masturbation as addiction tends to be put there by disgusting religious dogma. One of the many reasons why Jesus is still fucking us in the ass.

    [–]1johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This comment got singled out by the daily dot, which is why it needs to be pointed out:

    If prostitution was legal and destigmatized, no male virgins with sexual insecurity problems would exist. In such a world the mentally disturbed men would still be mentally disturbed, but they would not fixate on the problem of sex.

    This is pure logic. the arguments against this are nothing more than hysterical shaming.

    [–]Aalewis__ 7 points8 points  (8 children)

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    It took me like 2 hours to read that shit when I got near the end I don't even.....

    [–]morganational 4 points5 points  (7 children)

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    Could you summarize?

    [–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (6 children)

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    "I grew up perfect but then I hit puberty. Women don't like me even though I am the perfect gentleman. I throw drinks at women who don't hit on me, drop classes with women in them, and spray down happy college kids with a supersoaker full of orange soda. I'm perfect, everyone else sucks. I play powerball obsessively and drink until I pass out. I am a racist racist racist. Why do no women like me? They are all evil. Evil evil depraved sluts. I hate them all. I want to fuck blondes. Blondes are perfect. Fuck the evil sluts. Hate. Hate hate hate anyone who has had sex. Why does no one like me? I hate them all. I wish I was king of the world so I could eliminate women except for breeding purposes so no one would ever have sex again. I hate women. All I ever wanted to do was love women but now I hate them, so I'm going to kill a lot of people. I want to torture people to death. I like the word "flay". Why does no one love me?"

    [–]morganational 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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    I feel like this is a perfect summary judging from his video I watched. Thank you.

    [–]colovick 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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    Fuck how did he not get bagged and shipped to an institution after posting that... That's pretty crazy shit

    [–]strik3r2k8 14 points15 points  (24 children)

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    Why dont these people just kill themselves? Why others?

    [–]The_Psychopath 40 points41 points  (0 children)

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    Because misery loves company.

    [–]yourpants 62 points63 points  (14 children)

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    because they view other people as the source of the problem, not themselves

    mentally unstable narcissists really can't be ignored, we have to get them help

    i hate that everyone is turning this into a gender issue, and i know he explicitly states that he hates women but he hates men too, specifically the ones that get laid or end up being irritating to him (read the part about his roommates, it's fucking scary to think someone like that could sleep in the same general space as you)

    [–]dave_is_not_here 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    They feel they've been "criminally wronged" by the world and, thus, through killing others they achieve "retribution." Basically it's "my feelings are hurt so now you have to hurt."

    [–]Aalewis__ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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    the butthurt

    [–]strik3r2k8 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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    Tell me about it. most wrong thing is to blame others for your own shortcommings.

    [–]1yojymbro 98 points99 points  (19 children)

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    He's the perfect example of how looks, wealth, and intelligence are not the same thing as social status and charisma. He's an utter omega. Look at his interaction with this woman. He's shy and submissive. He's a loner. He whines about his situation. He blames others for his own failings. He's overcome with jealousy and bitterness, and he doesn't understand how to deal with other people. He's everything the red pill should be against- except for wealthy, good looking, and intelligent. The most core tenant of the red pill is personal responsibility and agency for ones situation. This man had neither and failed.

    [–]einexile 42 points43 points  (5 children)

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    It's the mindset of someone who has opened their eyes but has not grasped or accepted how the world is. Instead they are pissed off and want to lash out. Usually they never had a solid father figure to explain these things and to take the edge off. No one to say that happened to me too, but it gets better.

    This experience of horror upon revelation is TRP's namesake. When people have been fed bullshit all their lives, they emerge from that bullshit disoriented and humiliated and angry. That's usually fine and even healthy, because most people don't really want to hurt anyone; and frankly, most people who accept the bullshit have a gentleness deeply ingrained in them.

    But when combined with mental illness, social rejection, privilege, boredom, and good old-fashioned dullard stupidity, this confused furor has a way of blossoming into atrocity against innocent people.

    It's a shame people are using this incident as an excuse to lash out against the only thing that could have helped this fellow grow a pair of balls and attain genuine respect for the opposite sex, never mind respect for himself.

    [–]throwred01 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    I don't even think this guy had his eyes open.

    [–]polysyllabist 103 points104 points  (39 children)

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    Not red pill at all. The kid could not let go of the fake reality he was sold on: (the key to winning women is to act nice). The whole point of Red Pill is in accepting reality for what it is, even if it's completely opposite to the way you'd like to see it (hence the apt metaphor).

    Getting what you want, happiness, acceptance, sex, intimacy, whatever, is a lot easier when you see the rules of the game for what they are, rather than how we wish they were.

    His is a perfect case of someone who needed the red pill. And let that sink in for a second, TRP being good? whaaa?? Because it's somewhere he could come to vent, and be angry, and not have his pain be dismissed, ridiculed or ignored the way every other sub is even now doing by twisting his belief that he did everything to be "deserving of affection" into the lazy "owed sex" straw man. TRP is somewhere he could find people who would agree with his conclusions that nice isn't the 'be all end all' it was billed as, tell him that life isn't fair, and that the wool had been pulled over his eyes. Then point him in the direction of truths that would help him better understand the other sex, himself, and how to relate to the world as it actually is.

    People have horrible views of the red pill because all they see is the vitriol, the bitterness. But that's part of the process for a lot of people who were raised under misguided notions of how attraction and interest work. And admittedly, a lot of people on here never quite get past that bitterness, or they use the truths they discover for selfish one-sided ends, 'gaming'. But at it's core, I feel red pill is just about exposing false narratives and pointing towards the realities of how human beings think, feel and desire behind the masks we wear for appearances.

    For someone like him, that would have been eye opening, and helpful, and would have saved lives. He did not act like someone who was at the end of the red pill journey, he acted like someone desperate in need of starting it.

    [–]isthatyourdaughter 119 points120 points  (16 children)

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    He was incel. Lonliness and extreme sexual deprivation can have extremely serious psychological effects on some people. You can read this from the sidebar, this kind of shit breaks a young man's spirit.

    This kid was Omega all the way, which basically means his problems were deeper than simply needing a new wardrobe and a different outlook on life. He was clearly socially maladjusted, and depressed. But those things were not seperate from his incel state. They probably predated his inabilaty to get a GF, but his inability to get a GF likely compounded his awkwardness and the stink of desperation he carried. It really is a vicious circle for guys like this, and nobody gives two shits until something bad happens.

    This is not red pill behaviour. This is what happens when a hopelessly clueless guy realizes that nobody has any answers for him, and nobody has any idea how lonely he feels.

    [–]iridescentazure 27 points28 points  (2 children)

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    I concur. I faced a lot of same obstacles he faced - the perpetual self-defeating cycle due to lack of experience. But the main difference is that I faced my obstacles while he blamed it on others. I read some of the stuff in his 137 page manifesto and he's so narcissistic to the point that he believe he's "God" in a sense and what he was doing is carrying out divine justice.

    The RedPill is about bettering yourself and that is a world of difference from blaming others.

    [–]wazzym 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    If circumstances would have been different I feel that could have been me. I was really entitled & spoiled and had problems with women.

    [–]monsieurhire2 35 points36 points  (5 children)

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    People are opportunistically using this incident to attack MRA / TRP / PUA etc.

    Well, we don't really sit around here discussing shooting up women. It's mostly about how not to get taken advantage of and exploited by women, how to be better men, how to provide value to ourselves, to women, how to be more attractive to women, how to be more manly.

    Assuming that everything unfolded here at face value, the kid had severe mental problems that were never addressed. Maybe they were unsolvable. He was in and out of therapy for years. They tried medicating him. I don't think he ever learned how to be a man and was frustrated and filled with impotent rage. Now he and a lot of other people are dead.

    I don't know how anyone can claim that he acted in accordance with TRP principles. TRP is basically better yourself in every way to attract desirable women and choose which ones if any you want to be with. This kid didn't do any of that. He expected to have women throw themselves at him just the way he was and got angry when they didn't. If anything, he suffered from the bluepill fantasy mindset and accompanying rage that it didn't play out the way he wanted.

    [–]merkmerk73 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    It's mostly about how not to get taken advantage of and exploited by women,

    I think this is key.

    It's really not any different than my grandmothers advice to my mother many years ago - "why buy the cow when he gets the milk for free" - and nobody would bat an eyelash at comments designed to help women avoid getting taken advantage of.

    For some reason we're all supposed to believe that women can't be shitty, selfish, opportunistic people just like men can. That they're somehow above all that and don't enjoy having stables of potential provider males to fall back on after they've had their fun with the fun men.

    [–]selfsufficientnigga 130 points131 points  (25 children)

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    Thank you.

    This has nothing to do with Red Pill. That is a smear campaign by those who hate this sub.

    We here would call this guy (and have, the first time he was talked about) Blue Pill, i.e. exactly the opposite of what this sub is about. Please keep that in mind.

    [–]monsieurhire2 28 points29 points  (2 children)

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    Yes, boingboing.net posted his interest in MRA, gun rights, and bodybuilding. Obvious smear campaign, IMO.

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      [–]monsieurhire2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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      Big time. I was a scrawny kind like him growing up, and it took awhile to get over the issues scrawny kids have. The only way I solved it was by going to the gym, lifting, and bulking up. Nobody ever took me by the hand though. I had to figure it out for myself. I actually thought women would accept a scrawny ass kid as potential mate. As soon as "manned up" I got way more female interest. It was like night and day. Unfortunately I didn't really get serious with it until my early twenties. Probably for the best thought as I would have gotten a VD, or unwanted children, or both had I been a buff college hunk.

      [–]Uhmaricuh 74 points75 points  (1 child)

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      Seriously it's pretty sick that they would use a tragedy to bash this subreddit. It would be like if some woman went on to castrate a bunch of men and people blamed it on feminism. It makes no sense. I guess people have to feed their ego somehow.

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          [–]lesbianDREAMS 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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          He was the complete opposite of what RP is

          [–]comefromspace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          If he had read the material here he probably wouldn't have done it. He didn't even care about women, he just felt he deserved them. Probably mentally unstable too.

          [–]downtherabbit 36 points37 points  (0 children)

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          He was ultra blue-pill. He worshipped pussy and thought him being a gentlemen and polite would get him pussy.

          [–]metalfan20 10 points11 points  (13 children)

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          I saw a rant on Facebook about this. Truth is anyone who thinks this is redpill behavior is ignorant and hasn't taken the time to understand the redpill. The red pill exists to prevent those instances and not perpetuate such behavior. I would be happy to give my own personal account what lead me here in hopes that I can shed some light on our community.

          [–]Offensive_Brute 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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          Shooting up a place because you can't get laid, is what we call losing frame. Like to the millionth power. Control is part of TRP, and the first and largest part of that is controlling yourself. A viable modern progressive sexual strategy would have helped this guy get the venom out. As a community we help people come to terms with the ugliness of the reality of modern courtship, and we give them tools for success in life. No part of that encompasses murdering people and committing suicide. This guy peeked behind the curtain and couldn't handle what he saw. Its a damn shame.

          [–]hocusjokus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          I'm so glad that Sarah has the intelligence to actually come here and ask this question for herself.

          Having nice clothes, presenting himself well and driving a nice car is certainly showing off value and do fall into red pill logic. This thing isn't exactly exclusive to red pill, dressing nicely and grooming yourself is pretty much standard behaviour. I've never seen dating advice from anywhere that says "just wear your tracksuit bottoms and a t-shirt and you'll be fine."

          So really if you want to make the connection with him and RP, you've got to look at his philosophy. I've watched numerous video's of him and he believes he's entitled to women, this is not rp. He also has it in his mind that a relationship is an end goal, this is not rp either.

          He mentions that he was the "ultimate gentleman," now this is very bp logic. In fact, this flies in the face of rp logic.

          Is his anger in line with how I feel? I can't say for other members because we are all different however I find his logic quite amusing. If I haboured those feelings that I was entitled to a woman like I was a BMW, I'd hope I'd realise what a ridiculous notion that was and laugh it off. In fact everyone has these ridiculous thoughts of entitlement, grandeur and narcicism but very few actually go with it.

          Let's face it. In the wake of a tragedy, political types will use the blood of victims to blame their enemies. I find this quite disgusting myself and this sub is not innocent in that regard either. I think the real issues are that of entitlement and substituting parenting with material objects.

          [–]FuriousMouse 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          TheRedPill teaches that your problems are your own, and that you and only you can fix your lack of success with women.

          It is perfectly normal for a young man to be full of hate when he realizes that society has lied to him since he was a little boy, and that is normally when they find TheRedPill and start to learn see the world for what it really is.

          This guy unfortunately never got that far, and died still blaming others for his problems in life.

          [–]OsoFeo 36 points37 points  (45 children)

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          I think you'd find a spectrum of voices on TRP.

          Some are as extreme as to say things like "women't shouldn't be allowed to vote" and "women should submit to their husbands", and there is some anger about how some women treat boyfriends/husbands poorly. The anger is a post-denial-stage reaction to a perception that they have been lied to about women's motives, priorities, and behaviors, and I think it is simply a stage. While these sentiments do appear on TRP, I don't think of them as mainstream.

          My position, which is I think the mainstream TRP position, is that a man's best strategy is to better himself and not worry about getting laid or becoming obsessed with getting into a LTR. Disregard females acquire currency is probably the way to distill it (if you interpret "acquire currency" figuratively, i.e. social capital). Getting laid or having a successful relationship comes later, a byproduct of being a self-possessed, confident, successful man. Rodgers was anything but that.

          [–]remember13 25 points26 points  (2 children)

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          Well, my honest friend. We here at redpill are simple men who try to become better versions of our selfs. Some of us want immediate results with women, others try to achieve goals, some of us see women as a past-time, others want a woman in their lives. We bash feminism sometimes, but more for fun and for intellectual debate. We aren't a group of Neanderthals as our opponents try to prove, but followers of an ancient way, The way of Men.

          We do not agree with what this boy did. Besides the point that no sane person would agree with killing innocent people, we see that he did not improve his life in any way, but condemned women for not wanting him. I

          Just using a word such as "Alpha" does not make him one of us.

          [–]RPthrowaway123 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          The fact that some will inevitably try to pin every problem here is expected. But those who would do so haven't read what we have, or looked at anything the way we have.

          So much vitriol coming from people who hate without understanding.

          [–]rockumsockumrobots 10 points11 points  (8 children)

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          Interesting you ask. What this guy went through is actually something TRP addresses. It's the white knight. He actually says in one of his videos "I want to prove to you (women) that I'm worthy."

          I truly believe that if this guy knew about The Red Pill, he would have been on a path to understanding why he was in his lonely position and how he could change it.

          [–]DarkSayed 25 points26 points  (13 children)

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          Most other subs discussing the issue feel like this is "red pill" type of behavio

          Don't know about you, but I have not seen any advice around here to go shoot up some people.

          Do you think what he was upset about is in line with how you feel?

          It's standard blue-pill anger when they open their eyes to the world around them (swallow the red pill). However, it's obviously not the standard reaction!

          The question is, what would a typical TRP redditor advise someone like Elliot? They would advise he works out, maintain frame, get a hobby, have casual hookups to increase his confidence, etc. essentially, channel that anger into something productive.

          That kid was a murderer, and if he hadn't offed himself, he should have been put to death anyway.

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            [–]eugene_goldfarb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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            Yeah, I've never seen a single person on RP advocate murder.

            I have, but they were promptly downvoted into oblivion.

            [–]McRedMan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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            Has absolutely nothing to do with TRP.

            The rest of reddit bastardizes us and LOVES to portray us as sex starved neckbeards. They don't read/know what we're actually about. This guy is the exact opposite of what TRP advises as he resigned to his role as a victim rather than improving himself and becoming a better man. The rest of reddit just sees, "Bitter man? He must be a redpiller!"

            People will write their own narrative and that's fine, TRP'ers know what they're about.

            [–]AllThemWitches 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            I don't know why this is being framed as a red pill issue or is even being discussed here. This goes far beyond alpha and beta. This dude was obviously extremely mentally disturbed. Has anyone seen his videos? That's serious mental illness. This sub is for normal dudes, not guys who should have been in a straight jacket getting force-fed pills.

            [–]papadop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            This is not red pill behavior. Not saying this because we all of course condemn violence and murder, but this guy was a classic, worst case example of what can go wrong in a young man's mind that has not found "the red pill" which I see as an analogy for self realization, improvement and a more traditional acceptance of masculinity

            The red pill is about accepting, recognizing gender differences and behaviors (as they are different in reality than how society presents them) but also, self-improvement and re-gaining control over your life. This young kid did not have any control over his life. And that is exactly why people here, say he needed the red pill. I also agree with posters on this --- young men are subject to so much more pressure to succeed, and need the proper motivation, encouragement and guidance of other men with experience to get their life in order.

            As a guy, it means finding your competitive edge again. Putting your needs as a priority, focusing on your personal development in all areas, but there is a lot of emphasis naturally on dating and mental strength. If this guy had found the red-pill, he would focus his energy on improving his life the hard way, not killing others in a fit of rage and giving up on life.

            No guy who has found the red pill would do something like this. The feeling of being in control and improvement in your life is too good to ever resort to violence, murder and suicide.

            There are some people on RP that make brash comments and generalizations on gender that aren't necessarily true, and aren't really even Red Pill. And basically its those what people focus on.

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            I think the source of his frustration (not getting fucks and social rejection) is similar to what frustrates some new RP swallowers, but nowhere in that video at all does he espouse any red pill philosophy and in fact he does quite the opposite. Also it doesn't apply to all RPers because a lot of us come here when we are used up and thrown out by a woman, and this sparkling turd never even got that far.

            Red Pill Theory isn't "women aren't giving me fucks, so they're horrible and need to die/change" it's "women aren't giving me fucks and this is really only my fault, so I need to improve my damned self so they actually want to let me fuck. Women are creatures of fun and pleasure, it's what they do, and this whole boring Nice Guy(tm) schtick is, at best, going to get me eaten alive by some single mother in divorce court..."

            In fact this guy's reaction is Blue Pill taken to it's ugliest extreme. A masculine man takes responsibility for his actions and is guided by a defined higher purpose that is "his calling" in life. This guy clearly had no calling, and more importantly he shifted the responsibility for his social and sexual failings onto the rest of the world instead of the one place it belonged; on him. There really couldn't be anything less red pill about this guy and the fact that people are interpreting his psychotically vitriolic rants as Red Pill just demonstrates their own deep ignorance and hate, really. No intelligent individual could possibly read through what's published here in /r/TheRedPill and interpret it as having a message anywhere similar to Elliot Rodger's psychotic rantings. I really have to come to the conclusion that anybody who says Rodger's psychotic video sounds "Red Pill" has never even glanced at a single line of red pill thought.

            Ironically I can say that I see a great many parallels between ERs thought as showcased in his video and both sides of the "gender warrior" coin. Both Feminists and MR "activists" ceaselessly blame absolutely everybody else for their own, self manufactured life problems. Hell, feminists blame absolutely everything under the sun on "the patriarchy" or "sexism". Didn't get into your top choice school? Pft, The Patriarchy. Boyfriend called you a shitty, selfish slut and took off? Totally wasn't all the cheating and lies, it was sexism. The attractive guys you want won't sleep with you because you're obese and all you can get are fat fetishists? Sexism, cue Fat Acceptance Movement while simultaneously shaming those few dudes who actually dig fat chicks (the dirty perverted fetishists, I am not an object to be lusted after!). Lose out on a promotion to a superior candidate who happens to be male? So what if he had more experience and education, that's sexism and The Patriarchy! Girls won't sleep with you? Well clearly you're magnificent so something's wrong with them. See the similarity?

            /rant.

            [–]WilkySan 227 points228 points  (47 children)

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            This fucking kid had so many things going for him that should have gotten him some attention. Let's look at a couple.

            -Father is a film maker, assistant director for the Hunger Games

            -Shit tons of money. Drives a nice car.

            -Isn't bad looking. Seriously, this guy could do fine if he put in some effort to learning what behaviors dry up vagina and what don't.

            Even with that awesome luck of the draw, this pathetic cunt couldn't attract any women. There's a reason for it. Even in his 'retribution' video before the killings, he comes off as a narcissistic little creeper. In that video he talks endlessly about how much better he is than everyone. Can you guess why he had such a hard time making connections with people?

            Any guy that swallows the red pill knows that the introspection required is painful. You have to look at yourself and go 'well fuck, what I've done so far to attract women has been a disaster, obviously I'm doing something wrong. What can I do to improve myself?"

            This guy didn't do that. He decided to go the route of "well since women ignored me, it's SOCIETY'S FAULT." Fuck this douchebag. Instead of working on improving himself he decided killing some innocent people was the best resolution. Seriously, fuck him.

            [–]2RedPill4LYF 35 points36 points  (0 children)

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            If there's one thing that become abundantly clear after taking the red pill, it was the fact that I am a galaxy far far away from being perfect. I had to rethink everything about my life, I had to admit faults within myself that I wasn't even aware of. Most of it was shit that I was taught to think in the first place, which made it all the more aggravating to let go of. It was like shedding a false identity that had been forced upon me.

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              [–]ibuprofiend 49 points50 points  (14 children)

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              That's probably why he took his failure with girls so hard... he has all the classic beta traits, like a fancy car and rich/connected parents, so he thought he'd get laid easily. When that didn't happen, he snapped.

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                  When you take the red pill some of the ugliest parts of the truth isn't the behavior of society or women... it's realizing how much of a piece of worthless shit you really are. Only the true badasses stand up and get to work. The rest either rot or go insane.

                  [–]shadowbanned6 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                  This fits this article: Nobody pities men who are losers, the virgin who got never kissed

                  Men just have to men up. Maybe a good red pill attitude. But it needs to be pointed out that women care for their fellow women and would fight for their well being.

                  40 year old male virgins are considered funny and rarely pitied or offered reprieve. In Maslow’s hierarchy of needs sex is in the lowest, most basic level:"breathing, food, water, sex, sleep, homeostasis, excretion".

                  [–]Schrodingersdawg 48 points49 points  (6 children)

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                  This. This put into words exactly how I felt. The kid's a little bitch. He's fucking next to fame, he could've got some photos with Jennifer Lawrence, massive fucking preselection.

                  Except he spits in the golden path his parents laid out for him to go do this? Fuck him.

                  [–]1johnnight 45 points46 points  (3 children)

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                  he could've got some photos with Jennifer Lawrence

                  A FB picture with JLaw would socially be worth it's weight in platinum.

                  [–]bonniebottle 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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                  Worth its weight in unobtanium if JLaw commented on the Facebook photo, which he could have probably arranged too.

                  [–]1johnnight 21 points22 points  (4 children)

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                  Everything my father taught me was proven wrong. He raised me to be a polite, kind gentleman. In a decent world, that would be ideal. But the polite, kind gentleman doesn’t win in the real world. The girls don’t flock to the gentlemen. They flock to the alpha male. They flock to the boys who appear to have the most power and status. And it was a ruthless struggle to reach such a height.

                  He got blue pill advice and his failure crashed against the real world and his narcissism.

                  He didn't want to put in the work to better himself, because it would be a "struggle". He wanted to be liked for what he was like. He took the "just be yourself" advice.

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                  It seems also that he saw the Game as sadistic and inequitable - and decided to repay in kind.

                  Keywords: "appear to have the most power" (derogatory; he sees their power as superficial, compared to what he sees himself as), "ruthless" (derogatory; moral condemnation, therefore implying he is morally superior)

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                    Youre point is going to be reinforced by op saying "omega man"

                    From what I saw the kid had nothing but serious mental issues and I blame the parents 100 percent. He thought he was the best and expected the best at 22 in a bmw with a gun both of which he probably didnt earn.

                    [–]Ellteaess 105 points106 points  (22 children)

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                    From the reddit log...

                    This is actually terrifying in a way. Historically, these beta/omega types would have found a wife and been absorbed into the social fabric without incident.

                    However, now that they have to contend with female hypergamy, their Lexus, sunglasses, or being "gorgeous" are not enough. They truly become destructive given their lack of options. I see those threads in this kid.

                    and

                    There's likely more truth to this than many would like to admit.

                    I remember Tyler of RSD used to say that guys would come to him that were totally depressed, suicidal, on medication, zero motivation, etc. After these guys started getting laid, it's like all their mental problems just went away.

                    If sexual energy does not find a healthy release, it can easily lead to destructive and anti-social behaviors. Even ancient societies intuitively knew this, but it's something that the western world has completely forgotten.


                    It's almost as if this scenario has played out before. Someone might try to downplay it by pointing out that this is one guy and that this is an extreme example, etc. My response is that the ONLY reason we're reading this followup is because he killed a lot of people. If he had gone to his room and put a bullet through his head the most he would have gotten is a blurb in the obituaries.

                    How many times does this happen and we don't hear about it?

                    Alternatively those that don't/can't commit suicide may just turn to self-destructive behavior or go through the motions of life in a zombie state (depressed and on medication) or just live day by day waiting to finally die (suicidal/zero motivation).

                    [–]Jovianmoons 31 points32 points  (10 children)

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                    The impression I got that there was nothing really genuine about him. He seemed like he was putting on an act the whole time. Haydon Christensen kind of acting.

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                    That's the impression I got too, I was reminded of Anakin from Episode III.

                    [–]1johnnight 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                    Mother took us to the premiere of Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith. As a huge Star Wars fan, this was a big day for me. Episode 3 would complete the whole Star Wars saga. It was the most anticipated movie. To be able to see it before everyone else made me feel special. I really liked the character Anakin Skywalker, and I was amazed to see his epic transformation into Darth Vader on the high quality big screen.

                    And so he turned himself into a movie character.

                    Finally having something to brag about, I told everyone at school the next day that I went to the premiere because my mother is friends with George Lucas. The problem was that most Eighth Graders thought of Star Wars as being a “nerdy” interest, and they didn’t really care. I was left frustrated and disappointed by their reaction.

                    He was a cunt as vicious as Joffrey.

                    [–]Mymobileacoconut 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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                    Actually he reminds me more of that dark haired prince. You know, the one that was sucking on his moms tits until he was 10...

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                    Robert "Robin" Arryn

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                    His words actually reminded me of episode 3...

                    [–]smallpoxinLA 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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                    What's pathetic is in each of the Reddit threads dedicated to this killing spree, there are some people saying how this guy carries the RedPill values, etc...., this guy was the complete opposite of the Redpill, he was a self-entitled, self centered boy raised in a dysfunctional family without prominent father figure, without any moral values (just read what his father was doing, assistant director on The Hunger Games, talk about fucked up values distilled to the youth), on top of that he had mental problems so it was an explosive cocktail....

                    [–]major_tom38 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                    What's so bad about being assistant director to the Hunger Games?

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                    I love how they blame the manosphere for this. Killing people because you can't get pussy is just about the ultimate form of female pedestalization. It's putting it so high that you would rather be violent than rejected. And like some of the comments have pointed out, maybe he did need some help, but if he actually internalized the blame and improved himself he could have changed his situation. And he was rich.

                    This kid is the ultimate reason for theredpill needs to exist, people who haven't spent more then 2 seconds in here will blame theredpill. Theredpill is about recognizing that women aren't sacred, and that you can't change the society around you, you can only change yourself. If that kid had learned that very harsh but true RP lesson he might have never killed those people. But we live in a victim culture, everyone is the victim of external forces, rather than internal.

                    And of course they're going to blame guns for this incident. Mmmhmm I guarantee it. Of course it was the gun that went off on its own and killed those seven people. Right. How many school shootings were there between the 1920's-1980's. Practically none. And in a lot of instances kids literally brought guns to school to go hunting after. Everyone wants to blame guns and take the easy way out, but no one wants to admit that our very culture is fucked up and depraved. It's a wonderful scapegoat, oh you want gun rights and 2nd amendment, you obviously want more people to die.

                    [–]areyousrslol 26 points27 points  (2 children)

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                    As a complete omega and an incel, I deal with it by smoking and drinking regularly, playing video games and otherwise taking my mind of everything. It seems to help a bit.

                    You may ask why I don't improve myself, start lifting or whatever. Probably because I'm a lazy piece of shit.

                    But I could never imagine taking it out on other people, especially in a violent way. If I've learned anything from life, the internet and reading, it's that I'm the only one to blame. No one else is at fault.

                    This kid probably had a serious mental problem. No other way to explain drastic behavior like that.

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                    As a complete omega and an incel, I deal with it by smoking and drinking regularly, playing video games and otherwise taking my mind of everything. It seems to help a bit.

                    Not to get cause and effect mixed up, but it is saddening how likely it is that these common behaviors in boys and men nowadays stem from sexual deprivation. Boys no longer have their mentors, and it is showing with greater magnitude each and every day.

                    This is the main function of TRP: to be the proper masculine guiding force in a deprived man's life.

                    [–]raceAround126 56 points57 points  (7 children)

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                    I would say that this behavior stems from not being able to figure out how to pick up girls.

                    And the worst part is, I do kinda relate to him. I was fed the same bullshit all the way through university. Be yourself, be nice, be the rock. Every single girl I ever spoke to friendzoned me and would later be out fucking some drugged up loser. I still don't really understand it if I'm honest. In University, I really wasn't bad looking either, I hadn't put on the weight I did during my 20s, I wasn't athletic but I would have thought being frontman for at least two decent local bands would have gotten me something. But no, anytime I'd speak to a girl, I'd smile, be polite, buy them drinks and shit.

                    And of course, all that would lead to is "Let's be friends"... the kind of friends where I still take you out to dinner, get to listen to what a jerk some guy you fucked last week is, listen to all your problems, drop you home afterwards, oh no but wait, drop me by jerk's house, could use a fuck... yep, that was me.

                    And sure, I'm angry as fuck even now thinking about it. It is not misogyny to expect sex after taking a girl out for an evening that you get on with quite frankly. This is what young boys are brought up to believe by every single influential female figure around them. They're brought up to believe that flowers and a smile are what wins a girl's heart.

                    Now I'm older, read this forum enough and had 14 years experience of being a complete blue pill motherfucker, I can honestly say my biggest regret in life is not being at least hinted at this shit sooner. Even my best friends who'd nail pussy most nights of the week didn't even let me in on it. I guess I was too good a designated driver.

                    Story: I was out at a pub once with a group of my mates. There was a crowd of girls in one corner we were in the other. I don't know how but I worked up the nut to go and speak to one of them that shared a little eye contact with me every so often. I went over, asked her if she'd like to join me for a drink. She laughed, said loudly, "You must be fucking joking!". Proceed with all her fellow hamsters laughing their ass off, calling me tiny dick, all the rest. I just left and went home, leaving my friends there.

                    I have to say, I feel a little self-congratulatory that I didn't mount up, fetch some guns and go on a shooting spree myself. I felt destroyed afterwards. All this shit I would say led to my overeating.

                    My ex SO was the girl I lost my virginity to. I stayed with her for 10 years, 8 of those dead bedroomed. All because I treated her with respect, admiration, encouraged her to get her life in order... pathetic really.

                    The crux of it is, I'm not an ugly guy. I just had no clue whatsoever how to speak to women because frankly the advice I got when I was younger - from other women I hasten to add - was utter bullshit. Utter complete and total bullshit. Be yourself, be nice, dress nice, do nice shit for girls and you'll win her heart... fucking please!!!!

                    I'm 30 now. I've split from my SO, I've rebuilt myself in a new shape and, in large part thanks to TRP, I've put myself in uncomfortable situations where I speak to girls in a manner I never dreamed I was capable of. Last night, I took a leaf out of a video I saw recently. I was toying with this girl at a club, escalating kino, she bought me a drink, I was dancing with her and the words were just spilling out. Words like "Wow, you're a proper slut aren't you".

                    I felt like any minute I was going to get slapped across the face. I am amazed I didn't get kicked in the nuts with a pair of high heels. But no, she was reciprocating, laughing, telling me how she likes sucking cock... I'd only met her a few hours earlier!

                    I'd escalated to the point where I was introducing her to another girl I was with (was attempting to get a threesome going). Though we were almost there, we didn't close the deal. But still, had I been on my own, I'd have nailed her for sure.

                    Nobody tells men this shit when they're 18. Not a single person.

                    The behavior of this guy is completely from that very same textbook. And it's not like me and this guy are from the same stock. This is universal. In university, I knew so many equally blue pill guys who would get the same treatment and couldn't understand why. Even I couldn't. Questions like, "Why would [fit blonde] choose to go out with some dreadlocked drugged up loser who's on the verge of dropping out instead of someone stable, intelligent and charismatic?"

                    The answer is: stability is for 35 year old girls who want cats and/or a family. 20 year olds want assurances of zero commitment.

                    [–]Fred_Flintstone 19 points20 points  (1 child)

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                    I can honestly say my biggest regret in life is not being at least hinted at this shit sooner. Even my best friends who'd nail pussy most nights of the week didn't even let me in on it.

                    I've been on both sides of the fence here, although I grew up with slightly beta friends and was the first to discover seduction communities.

                    One guy i knew was dumped by his first gf. been with her a year, but no sex. I am one of two friends to get him through it after the fallout. A month later I start to teach him basics of body langauge etc, just talking about how leading political figures assert dominance and stuff. One of the biggest mistakes Ive ever made in a friendship. He basically is bluepill to the core (although he hypocritically applies the few concepts I taught him to try and win girls). He tries to turn large groups of peers against me, saying that i manipulate women, i am fake, i use tricks. If i wear a red item of clothing he says its to look dominant, and spreads it so that everyone keeps asking why i am wearing a red tshirt. He is constantly furious when i get one night stands and stuff. I just avoid him but he has an obsession to follow me. He could have spent those 3 years learning how to better himself and get laid, but instead he chooses an easier mission/vendetta: to hate what he believes is wrong with the world. And I happened to embody it.

                    I have had beta friends ask me stuff since, and I only answer with 'girls want different things to men', 'dont recipricate too much', 'be a little bit of a dick'. Then if they are disloyal enough to frame it negatively and tell women then I just agree and amplify / play massive asshole card to get out of jail free for passing a red pill truth. But no fucking way am I going to mention kino escalation ladders etc.!

                    The only thing you can do is teach by example. Allow them to watch . They will watch everything you do and how you do it and say "how does he do that!?", when amazingly they just watched you do it. It sure makes it easier to know the framework of thinking behind it; but, my god, it is not worth the social ostracisation risk to speak of it in the real world.

                    [–]raceAround126 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                    Wow. What a senseless waste! If you were my mate and you trained me up like that, I'd have let you name my firstborn!

                    [–]Sansasaslut 8 points9 points  (11 children)

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                    Man it just makes me sad that something like this went on for so long without anyone picking up on it. People just need to care about each other and shit. It's a shame that people determine their value by how much poon they get.

                    [–]angelpuff 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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                    People picked up on it. His fucking parents even asked the police to investigate him after seeing his youtube vids. angry

                    [–]Sansasaslut 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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                    Uh what. So it could have been prevented but nobody thought it was serious? If something like that happened here, the cops would be in deep shit for not doing anything. (I'd like to think they would, has happened in the past)

                    [–]angelpuff 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                    I know right? Cops interviewed him and decided "he seems nice and polite". FUCK.

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                    Another guy posted on here about how he talked to Elliot AND said some asshole, beta,bluepill things to him. He was undeniably a factor in Elliot's breakdown. Here is what he said....

                    I was one of the people on that other site who said some not-nice things (let's put it that way) to Elliot 2 days before he went on the shooting rampage. I actually saw some of his posts before they were deleted so I think I have a better outlook on this than you all do (which is pure mental masturbation and speculation). You are all acting in such a way that really makes me quite baffled at how retarded it is. if only he discovered PUA he was mentally ill he could have gotten a girlfriend if he just did what we said None of them addressing the root problem of society, how sub-7 males who lack masculine looks are fucked from womb to tomb compared to the goodlooking males who have the monopoly on the sexual market. The problem was that he had a twinky-looking effeminate face and was short. That just doesn't turn women on because they want to fuck the alpha male (although I am not using the same definition as you "redpillers", I'm more talking about the tall, masculine-looking man with a strong jawline and brow ridge, etc- who naturally asserts himself over others based on physical traits, think the captains of the football team when you were in high school). The only chance he had was to run beta provider cuck game with daddy's money. I think Elliot knew this (based on reading his posts), which may have been what caused him to kill those people. He knew that his money was worthless and he was a prime subject for being cuckolded (in fact that's what I told him, I said having money would never make a female primally attracted to you, only masculine good looks and height can do that). He tried picking up women. Of course anyone who does anything that is no-no bad behaviour is omega and you're all the alphas. Ok, sure. You all need to accept that some guys (like Elliot and I) just aren't attractive to women. Food for thought.

                    ^ As you can see, blue pill behavior played a role in the case. Elliot was told that if you're not a natural, genetic freak, you'll never be successful with women.

                    [–]Evesest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                    What clowns. The blood is on their hands as well.

                    [–]we_r_legun1993 64 points65 points  (7 children)

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                    My post got removed because apparently we aren't even allowed to post np links anymore so I'll just repost my comment.

                    I read the comments on an /r/rage post about the killer and everyone was saying that the kid was a redpiller and that his videos "oozed red pill". This is fuckin hilarious. One of the most common thing redpillers say is "beware of betas/bluepillers, they are the only ones willing to kill for pussy".

                    Violence and physical force is always strongly discouraged by everyone here yet these faggot redditors are all saying shit like "wow what a scary sub, I can't believe they haven't been banned yet!!!!111!!!" Meanwhile, disgusting degenerate pervert subs, racist subs, and SRS subs, etc. are allowed to brigade and do whatever they want because these liberal fucks only care about freedom of speech when it suits them. /r/TheRedPill is as responsible for this tragedy as Counter Strike is for Virginia Tech.

                    edit: the post i was referring to as a redditlog snapshot

                    http://redditlog.com/snapshots/622397

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                      [–]crazypsycho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                      Wow this is so sick I can't even comprehend it. How can something like this exist?

                      [–]raceAround126 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      I wish I hadn't clicked that... part of me thought it can't be real.

                      I... just... I...

                      I need to go grab some camomile tea now... Like, for real!

                      Just fucking off brand shit right there!

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                        Rodger was a website forum called PUAHate.com, which describes itself as the 'Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement' and aims to reveal 'the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.' Its members are all men who have spent a lot of time and money on books and seminars and other materials that claim to help men 'pick-up' women - but failed.

                        This is pretty much /r/thebluepill verbatim. I've had BPers message me saying these exact things. How they want to expose RPers, PUAs and dox them so they can defend women against "horrible misleading manipulation". Yet those are the fucks who go on to hate women because they couldn't figure out what women truly want.

                        [–]thredditsowaway 89 points90 points  (1 child)

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                        "PUA doesn't work on women."

                        "We need to defend women against PUA because it is manipulative."

                        Only a feminist is mentally agile enough to believe both of these at the same time.

                        [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 41 points42 points  (5 children)

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                        It's quite clear to me that it's actually BP mentality that made him pop. That and the mental problems, of course. The fact that people are saying the exact opposite is nothing but oportunistic powerplay.

                        [–]IH8GOLD 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                        Every single post I've found about this incident there is a highly upvoted comment saying, "This guy is a perfect example of those guys over at /r/theredpill and why more men need feminism."

                        [–]James_Locke 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                        If you watch his last video, in the beginning, he basically says that he is rich and is the perfect gentleman and shouldnt that be enough for a woman to like him? Thats pretty 100% provider attitude right there.

                        [–]TheSKSpecial 55 points56 points  (10 children)

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                        You've got to love the logic.

                        "Those neckbeards hate women! They hate women so much that they devote all this time and effort into telling guys what they have to do in order to become more attractive to women! Because they hate women! Wait, what?"

                        [–]hc1218 34 points35 points  (9 children)

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                        There isn't logic. There is no 'wait what' moment because they all have shat and ate and shat and ate the nonlogic so much that it will literally shatter their world if they wake up.

                        [–]Psycho_Delic 32 points33 points  (8 children)

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                        It actually did to one woman. I wish I could remember her name. Really bitter feminist type. She went undercover as a man for I think, over a year or so. She found out it's way harder to be a man, and suffered all sorts of psychotic breakdowns.

                        Some people say it's just from pretending to be a man for a year. I'm pretty sure it's just the fact that everything she built her life on, was proven, by herself to be false. And she couldn't handle it.

                        IMO at least.

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                        http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=1526982

                        I think this might be the one you are referring to. There may be more than one though, but the effect was the same for this girl, she realised that women have it good, as well as realising a number of RP truths too.

                        [–]Subtletorious 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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                        Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man by Norah Vincent

                        [–]noblepaladin 26 points27 points  (1 child)

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                        Wait, so that Rodger guy create anti-PUA sites? So he's basically exactly like the people on The Blue Pill who spends all their time and energy attacking TRP. It's perfectly fine to disagree with us, it is unnatural to waste all your time and money disagreeing with us. The natural thing to do if you disagree is to go on your own way.

                        [–]DocObvious_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                        and "alpha" has been used to describe the "leaders" of a pack in the animal kingdom since animals were invented. not like that word is exclusive to trp.

                        [–]Im_on_my_laptop 13 points14 points  (5 children)

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                        The guy clearly had autism. When he laughs it's like [insert human like laugh]. He is acting how he thinks one should act to get a woman and it looks much like American Psycho. The 'woe is me' act is very Beta but he has other issues. Like not knowing how to read social ques(which comes with autism). It must be torturous to be that fucked up and not know why or how. Fuck him for doing what he did but, the guy was sick.

                        This has nothing to do with red or blue pill. It's was a medical issue and the kid didn't get the help he so clearly needed.

                        [–]TheGreenPill 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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                        DO NOT BLAME AUTISM FOR THIS.

                        He may have been diagnosed but everything you point to is not Aspergers or Autism, it is psychopathy and narcissism.
                        Many 'medical' doctors will diagnose aspergers instead of narcissism/psychopathy as there is a small overlap in some of the presented symptoms.

                        Autism is not sick, or broken or what ever other misguided description you want to brand people with.

                        Autism and aspergers are extremely unique case by case and the common symptoms that people always point to are not the only symptoms used for actual diagnosis.

                        Almost all the actions here exclude aspergers/autism; premeditation, absence of empathy, planned violence, extreme self involvement, victim/persecution complex.

                        Being socially awkward does not automatically equal autism and this guy shows only the smallest amounts of traits - most of which can be ascribes to other actual mental illnesses.

                        There is already enough of a witch hunt against the autistic and those with aspergers, don't turn this into more ammo that others will use as an excuse to hurt people already suffering.

                        Go read this and see what it's like to be on the other side (I'd link to the aspergers subbreddit but the bot deleted my original comment for cross linking.)

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                          [–]swallowthisthrowaway 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                          There is a reason why TRP exists. You need guidance and support, you need proof others are going through what you are and have been there before. In the anger stage, a man feel uncontrollable fury at how society works and how everything they have been fed is a lie.

                          This guy had no help. He rejected help, and it was too much for him to bear. There is a reason the manosphere exists. We are men. Men help each other through hardship and struggle. The comradery and brother bonds are something unique to men.

                          This man rejected all help. He brought it upon himself. The truth is incomprehensibly horrible, and that is why it must be taken in small doses.

                          I want to pity him, but I cannot. He had so much going for him. He had little left to do. And he gave up in the most spectacular way possible.

                          This is our society. When the going gets tough, cry liıke a bitch and get some attention instead of fucling fixing it.

                          No wonder 20% men fuck 80% of women.

                          [–]watersign 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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                          The sad thing is, he is not going to be the last one to do it. There are hundreds just like him.

                          [–]jelloba 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                          hundreds

                          That's being generous. I would be willing to bet that there are hundreds of thousands of guys just like him in the U.S. alone. Most won't go on shooting sprees, but all of them share Elliot's pain to varying degrees.

                          [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (16 children)

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                          I am not saying this is the appropriate response to this terrible news, but i am going to do everything i can to have my son be as successful with women as possible. i just don't want him to feel like this guy.

                          [–]hermit087 16 points17 points  (5 children)

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                          I wish more parents could understand this. I was always discouraged from getting girls, because grades and money were seen as being more important.

                          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                          my dad did not ever, once, ever talk about girls with me. as a result, i had no idea what i was doing. coupled with my fear of my mother, i was then afriad of women, wanted them, and how no idea how to get them. i was small, and skinny which made me unattractive to them. it was terrible.

                          [–]2elysius 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                          They are, but not at the cost of social skills.

                          [–]LibertarianLibertine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                          Just don't make women his priority in life

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                            [–]lesbianDREAMS 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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                            It wasn't just the lack of women in his life. The man had deep seated psychological issues. He would have benefited from some human companionship but he was clearly delusional. Still such a waste. Something needs to change

                            [–]Nikzilla3 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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                            I'm really glad I found this subreddit. I was really depressed before, and this subreddit took away the pain.

                            It's not that I changed or anything, I'm still mostly the same. It just made me understand everything that I've been doing wrong and just made sense in my head. I'm not ready to really change myself yet, but the comfort of knowing what I have to do is very nice.

                            [–]sushisection 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                            Plagarized your comment on a Facebook post. I sense a shit storm approaching

                            [–]WorstIsImSmarter 37 points38 points  (8 children)

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                            In the confessional video he actually states that he hates men and women and wants to kill as much of both as possible. But like in real life, threats to the lives of men mean nothing to feminists, so the angle for this whole thing is "omg this is so scary, he says he hates women!"

                            As a youtube comment said, this guy completely lacked a male figure in his life. He's afraid of confronting his dad on his shooting spree he even says. And he also says that probably won't happen because his dad is always on business trips. The kid obviously had no male influence and just was desperate to find one, so he just bounced around absorbing the materialism around him that marketed (brainwashed) him to the idea that with this nice car, with these nice designer sunglasses, with all these little metrosexual tricks that women love, he'd get one.

                            His dad's advice was probably, "just be you, and you'll find a girlfriend one day."

                            [–]pheragas 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                            It's so frustrating. I logged on Twitter today and it was filled with all these feminist takes on the killings. I don't understand how people can take the deaths of six people and somehow make themselves out to be the victim. To me this is a human issue, a reflection of societal issues, with nothing to do with gender. I honestly would like to hear more about some of these viewpoints, but I'm dismissed with "MISOGYNY and SEXIST!" any time I disagree with someone. Sorry to rant, but I've been thinking about this all day, and have no other outlet.

                            [–]100 Modbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                            http://www.infowars.com/in-death-girls-and-boys-swoon-over-santa-barbara-mass-murderer/

                            Just goes to show how attractive the Dark Triad is to a lot of women. Good job ladies (those now saying he's hot) doing exactly what he ranted about in his manifesto. My concern is that this is just going to embolden others with similar issues who can say "See, see! He was right!". Yes he was right, but for all the wrong reasons.

                            [–]kaethislj 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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                            check out the comment section on the video, lots of redpill hate, for example.

                            "This is what the men's rights movement and red pill rhetoric does to somebody.

                            This guy wasn't crazy: violent misogyny is not a mental illness. But it's what drove him to being a psychopath. That's what their fucked up ideology does to somebody. It's horrifying."

                            [–]AdmiralVonJackass 27 points28 points  (1 child)

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                            This is what being an incel does to a person. Most just internalize their failure in the form of self loathing, but because he was so narcissistic, he thought it impossible that it was his own fault. His confusion became so great, that his situation seemed irreparable.

                            The people in his life seemed to have really failed him. They can buy him a BMW, but they couldn't support him or teach him to be a man.

                            Poor bastard got mind fucked too hard by the game.

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                            I'm a little late to the show, but I did have the top comment in the original post.

                            Anyone using this situation as evidence for the failing of red pill thought is twisted indeed. Were it a rational world, we would use this tragedy as a teaching point because it was honestly one of the best examples of a clear-cut, blue pill outlook coupled with mental instability.

                            This kid began internalizing all the bullshit we were fed as children on how to win the sexual favor of females. He pedestalized women to the extreme, and when he found it did not procure him their affection, he could not handle the dissonance. Listen to him talk. He sees himself as "perfect." Well, according to blue pill thought, he kind of was. Money, good looks, treats vagina as sacred. But we all know that is not a pathway to fuck women in their early twenties. If he would have waited it out 8-10 years, some woman approaching the wall would have settled for him. This would have qualified him for the honor of being divorce raped (given his assets), and he would be the guy to shoot up the courtroom that relieved him of 50 percent of his stuff. That shit does happen.

                            Look at all the kids who come filing in to this sub, pissed off that they are invisible to women for what they will later identify as their blue pill shortcomings. They have to come to terms with the fact that society fed them a line. Most people have the coping skills to overcome this anger. This kid obviously did not.

                            Edit: wording

                            [–]goofproofacorn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                            Ultimate BP'er. Faux self confidence and placing control of your happiness in the hands of a woman you don't even know. That is not how a man acts. It's unfortunate he didn't have any decent friends then this would've never happened. But I have to say he's kinda being a pussy, life as a man is lonely most of the time. Time to accept that and buck up

                            [–]svperstarr 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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                            This guy had millionaire parents. Dad directed hunger games and game of thorns. He have very nice clothes and a BMW. He looked good too.

                            Yet he couldnt get ONE girl? Total fucking failure.

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                              [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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                              Bitch in Canada has postpartum depression and drowns her kids? Let's put her in witness protection so she can restart her life.

                              Did this really happen?

                              [–]atleastitsnotaids 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                              This week? Or last week?

                              That shit happens all the time. Whenever women kill their kids it is written off as insanity or that they were the victims of abuse and simply could not cope.

                              [–]hc1218 34 points35 points  (1 child)

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                              This whole thing is a tragedy but I can't help but laugh at one of the comments:

                              Damn, if you ladies could only not be so greedy wit ur pussy this guy would've been at the red cross helping people. So ladies next time u think about not sharing, u might end causing a calamity such as this, bitches get the blame on this one, Elliott Roger was a good kid, doing great things for this world, and how did u bitches pay him back? By withholding that pussy, shame on u bitches, R.I.P Elliott Roger, now you can fuck all the bitches you want.

                              Too fucking funny.

                              [–]BluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                              I find it interesting the manosphere is blamed when we could have helped this guy. Any of the manosphere blogs could have helped him. He had so much going for him and was so frustrated he could not understand what motivates women.

                              I see this a warning shot across the bow. Quit lying to us. Quit the calculated demasculanization social program. Every woman in this kids life lied to him. In the video he keeps saying "I'm a nice guy" and parroting THE LIES women have told him about what attracts women. He can't understand why the 'loud mouth asshole' gets the girls but he can't. Nobody told him it was his job to approach women. Nobody told him about TRP or about faking confidence, and game. I think he could have been made to understand and we would have had yet another success story. Aspergers is not a barrier to Dark Triad, au contraire.

                              I also find it fascinating that the story on the news is the revenge killing of a couple girls when 5 men also lost their lives. I don't think I have seen them mentioned.

                              [–]choomguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                              Every woman in this kids life lied to him. In the video he keeps saying "I'm a nice guy" and parroting THE LIES women have told him about what attracts women

                              This

                              [–]CoachGordonBombayD5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                              What drives me nuts is the complete lack of mention regarding the ACTUAL issue here. Psychopathy. The ideological vehicle that they hitch their wagon to whether it be "misogyny" "religion" "politics", whatever is moot. It all boils down to a portion of the population being born with no conscious. These are not rational, moral people. These arguments about TRP or Mens rights is completely ridiculous, because its not the issue that allowed him to kill, its his complete lack of fucking conscious. The one thing that separates us from wild animals.

                              A poor example, but w.e........You could have a psychopath obsessed with airplanes, loves flight, planes, the history etc w.e. Now, lets say that despite his sociopathic sense of grandiose (like Rodgers repeatedly calling and believing himself to be magnificent) a) he has no actual flying skills / his IQ is to low to pass the licensing exam b) he has terrible eye sight...Whatever the reason, lets say he not permitted to live out his goal of being a pilot. He externalizes the blame for his short comings on the regulators, tests, current pilots etc. He then goes and kills a bunch of pilots, because he is a completely irrational, illogical, selfish psychopath. Would people seriously be arguing about the MOTIVE behind the killings? No because its it would be so ridiculous, and irrational that it wouldn't be a talking point. We'd be focusing on medications, mental illness (psychopathy is not an illness by the way, it provides absolutely no disadvantage to the individual, but rather provides benefit). Rational people don't go committing murder. Irrational Psychopaths do.

                              In the case of Rodgers, if it wasn't women it was going to be something else. ITS ABOUT BEING A FUCKING PSYCHOPATH, not misogyny. Watch this guys videos and its blatant. Girls didnt like this guy becuse he was an obvious soulless psychopath, who for whatever reason failed to grasp the concept of creating a "mask of sanity" to fit in with others, which is why people like his parents realized he was fucking bat shit crazy.

                              The problem with most psychopaths is that they can be of equal or higher intelligance than average, and quickly figure out if they don't blend in people will notice and alienate them. Just like Rodgers.

                              When will the real issue finally get some coverage. These are the kinds of people running the world.

                              People need to wake up to this major problem in societ.

                              [–]nataliieportman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                              This is just sickening. It's sad.

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                              Why do we care what people think of TRP? We aren't a political movement so it doesn't matter if we are loved or hated. That being said it does worry me how this is being blamed on the MRM.

                              [–]FuckYeahIDid 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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                              He also wrote an incredibly interesting and extensive essay/auto biography. a glimpse into the mind of someone so corrupted and confused by an ultimate lack of understanding that they were slowly driven to madness.

                              http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

                              [–]haltingstate 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                              This is really interesting read. Its like a movie plot line for American Psycho 2. He has severe social anxiety disorder.

                              There is one point where he says "Hi" to a girl and she keeps walking and he spends 2 hours in a bathroom crying. Most people do not experience anxiety at that level, it is neurological and its crippling for people who experience it.

                              [–]Rainymood_XI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                              If you don't have time to read the end, be sure to read the epilogue, that is what is most striking to me in all honesty.

                              [–]WhiteE350 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                              It sucks that Reddit is blaming this sub and the MRA community for what this little coward fuck did.

                              I don't make the connection. Why does somebody have to be to blame? Cant people just accept this little pussy just went crazy. Blaming TRP or MRA conversations is as dumb as blaming the gun itself.

                              Never forget that censorship + cowardice = feminism. This guy was not TRP or MRA material because he never interacted with women. He was just a little fucking coward psycho and that's why no woman wanted anything to do with him. But if they can use this guy to try to shut down our debate they will. Just like the gun control people will say see see look how we need to ban guns. its pathetic.

                              [–]Evesest 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                              This kid was obviously a weirdo with mental issues, but I can sympathize with his situation. Unfortunately, men deal with what he's dealing with every day. (no, I'm not talking about "not getting any", but rather the lack of sensitivity from outside sources and feeling of being inferior because of his non-existent interaction with women) We make sure to instill values in females that make them feel special regardless, and "just as beautiful as the next", yet no effort whatsoever to do the same for boys because we see them as "able to take the abuse/competition". Not everyone is able to handle it, and nobody should. Doesn't excuse what he did at all; it was horrible. Still, do not think it is without reason, I assure you it is.

                              We could work towards fixing the situation if we weren't labeled as in agreement with him for the simple fact of wanting to discuss the very real issues that exist. Not everyone is stable and sane enough to handle it like some of us do.

                              I'd worry about the inevitable downvotes I'm going to receive, but I feel his plight is a little more important than people make it out to be just because he was a sociopath.

                              [–]SouthwellR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                              Here is a link to his autobiography he published before he did it, it explains his motives and his life experinces etc. He was truly fucked up : http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/225936731?access_key=key-m7xk0kePAsy2MdKx3uH6&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

                              [–]ConfidenceMatters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              Saw the video. Laughed at the entire thing.

                              [–]BlueHueEmu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              This is a child who built his entire character around an idealistic AND romanticized IDEA of the world and how it works. As he grew up and saw that his, "what should be perfect character model/ideas" were failing time and time again. He became deeply conflicted. He got stuck in a conflicted state because he was unable to adjust his views in accordance with the feedback that he got from his life experiences (or elsewhere). In his wallowing state he turned the blame outwards towards the people, towards society, towards the world, because "They must have been the real problem all along." A real shame there was no true help for him before he wore away to the point that he did. I truly believe the mild aspergers/autism would be the cause of his psychological jam. He was able to function pretty decently, but only from within a world with a very limited perspective.

                              [–]eu4euh69 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                              This Rodger guy wasted his power. He exchanged his potential for a splurge of orgiastic violence. He used the only weapons he could , a car and a pistol. He would have been better served by doing a few years on a kibbutz or a peace corp mission. Very immature...Comes from upbringing..Probably not a Cub/Boy Scout, either..

                              [–]herewegoaga1n 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              When I first heard of this guy I thought, "Someone's gonna blame TRP for this." And sure enough, I was horribly right.

                              [–]bat_mayn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              The amount of people trying to claim this was "red pill" or even "MRA" is really disturbing to me. The media moved in pretty hard on gun control, and third party blogs came in straight behind with targeting TRP and MRA's when the bodies were still warm.

                              Pretty fucking shameless.

                              [–]1johnnight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                              "Elliot was soooo cute I wish he was my boyfriend" ~ real comment from a girl

                              [–]SariaLystra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                              This is a good blue pill example. He was a beta bitch and expected to be rewarded as people and women told him. He thought that if he was a nice guy, he could get women. He didn't realize that women were hypocrites. Hence, his mind hamstered once he realized this and it blew up in his face.

                              The only thing more disgusting is the women "#yesallwomen" campaign that tries to claim moral supremacy by calling women victims and criticizing the rape culture that enabled the shooter. Seriously shut up. Your entitled asses are no different from he is. The difference is that one is socially acceptable while the other isn't. If anything, this shows how horseshit feminism is and how it has destroyed the male identity.

                              And some guys like this weak idiot can't handle that. Too bad. He is a loser who never realized that there is a world out there outside of the blue pill fantasy.

                              [–]haltingstate 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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                              He has severe mental illness. The UCSB shooter had such bad social anxiety that he said "hi" to a girl and she kept walking and he spent two hours in a bathroom crying.

                              He grew more and more socially isolated throughout the whole thing. He lost all his friends and his family did nothing effective to help him. His evil step mother, tried to send him to a 3rd world country to get rid of him.

                              Instead of telling him to work out and practice his social skills, his father gave him a copy of "The Secret", which says that you imagine things and they magically come to you. He thought that if he was rich, women would find him attractive. He believed that you get rich, from buying lottery tickets.

                              His father is completely beta and was useless as a father. His stepmother hated him, because he was a child of the previous wife. She was constantly trying to get rid of him.

                              He was bullied, harassed and became socially isolated. He did not do anything PUA related. He was not an MRA. He did not hate women. He has a severe mental illness and was in an extremely hostile environment. People like this commit suicide all the time, but its almost never in the news.

                              [–]slfnflctd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                              Wow, that is the first I've heard of the angle with "The Secret". Explains a hell of a lot, in my opinion. That piece of shit book is what should be getting the headline blame here.

                              [–]papadop 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                              This puts a serious amount of perspective on the situation. I'm reading articles that say this shooting is the result of "misogyny" etc. Kind of ignorant and distracting from the main issues-- nobody seems to give a fuck about the kids background, his problems, social rejection which all ultimately dont match up well with the social pressures and expectations of being a man.

                              [–]positivetiming 26 points27 points  (6 children)

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                              TRP would have prevented this.

                              Is he to blame for blaming 'blonde sluts' because he couldn't get laid?

                              Or is it feminist societies fault for telling him to man the fuck up without showing him or allowing him to develop in to manhood?

                              The fact that he was seeing TWO therapists and this shit occurred speaks volumes,

                              [–]hc1218 22 points23 points  (3 children)

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                              I'm honestly curious if the therapists were women. In my opinion, women don't make good therapists for men, at all. That's coming from someone whose mom runs a massive therapy and counselling group, for men, lol.

                              [–]slfnflctd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                              It depends on the therapist, and on what your needs are. Plenty of women are capable of professional conduct in their work. I saw a female therapist for a while, and she mostly just shut the fuck up and let me work shit out while being supportive, which in retrospect was exactly what I was paying for. She helped me more than the male counselor I saw for a while (who was a bit too blue pill). Now if I was looking for advice, it might've been different, but I think a lot of people are like me and simply need to vent and work out their thoughts with someone there to keep things focused.

                              On the other hand, another female psychologist I saw (with a doctorate and everything) kept trying to sell me Jesus and 12-step even though I told her I had been through all that and was settled in my atheism and comfortable with moderate drinking. So yeah, results may vary.

                              Therapists who mostly stay out of the way are the best ones, I think. If you need someone to actually guide you, therapy is probably not the best place to go in general-- I used to think that's what it was about (and still sometimes wonder why it's not), but it seems to be more geared for helping you understand your own thoughts & feelings and giving you the tools to respond to them (instead of annoying your friends and family who usually don't want or need to hear all that shit, particularly if you have a lot of issues).

                              Edit: I speculate that much of what failed for this kid is a strong resistance to really understanding himself because he didn't want to accept any responsibility. Sure, part of that was due to being lied to and being on the autism spectrum, but at a certain point, he followed his feels and decided it was more palatable to see himself as a victim.

                              [–]MockingDead 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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                              I see a lot of blame on Elliot. Now, this is not wrong, but it's missing the point. That point is: The destruction of traditional family roles and male-as-breadwinner.

                              Pre-feminism, men like him would find a solid 4-5 and he would work 60 hours a week. She would provide children and he would raise them. Sure he'd probably be a cuckholded a bit in the home, but he'd be happier than he was.

                              Feminism took away a man's reasons for getting up in the morning - industry, family, children, and gave them to women. Now we wonder why men are starting to snap?

                              I believe it was Heartiste that claimed Omega Man made the most dangerous man because, being abused by women and men, he has no ties to anyone. He sees them as enemies, unworthy of even the civility of existence. He is the suicide bomber and the rampage shooter.

                              And while we need not weep for him, some compassion and empathy might have prevented this tragedy. Simply a "Hey, I know how you feel, I've been there, and there is a way out."

                              As for people calling him creepy, you are being blue pill as fuck. Creepy is a word used by women to describe an undesirable man. If you understood TRP, then no man is creepy. Creepy is a feeling women have, it's not a thing men are.

                              Elliot could have used the Red Pill.

                              [–]Omaestre 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                              Elliot could have used the red pill indeed, but I think you are wrong that he would have been better off in pre feminist days. He was a mooch that never worked a day in his life and whined to his mother for financial support. He was not a man but a spoiled deluded child. The red pill could have snapped him back to reality.

                              [–]Dreamtrain 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                              Have you seen the sticky on TBP sub? They are claiming the guy was into TRP, that this sub is saying he was alpha, or that had he been more alpha he had killed more people. That's absolutely disgusting.

                              [–]watersign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                              Good post. Feminiism is a complete drain on society

                              [–]Schrodingersdawg 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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                              There's a huge shitstorm of feminists calling this misogyny. Because when a man stabs 3 men, shoots 2 women, and shoots one man, among others, that's misogyny.

                              [–]Ahrius 11 points12 points  (5 children)

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                              This is the problem with nothing but women raising the sons of tomorrow: they teach us to be respectful and kind and humble and stoic while simultaneously stripping us of our natural male behavior by calling it ADHD.

                              They're grooming us to be betas.

                              Why, you might ask?

                              Because women refuse to accept the fact that they are based carnal animals just like men and they don't realize that what they think they want is not what they actually want and consequently, any "young man" who has had female teachers since k-12, female PE coaches, female baby sitters, no form of masculine influence outside of his whipped father, is doomed to be unsuccessful.

                              The real tragedy in all of this is that it could have been prevented.

                              I was in exactly the same boat as this guy, went through undergrad having only been kissed ONCE at my high school prom because my date was too drunk and thought I was someone else. I discovered TRP on accident because I was desperately trolling /seduction and saw someone mentioning it... and it changed my life. It could have changed his as well.

                              This place isn't just a conglomeration of asshole cynics who are fed up with women but are as much a support system as any group. It's stories like this that make me wonder why we as a community reaching out to today's youth...

                              [–]joshw220 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                              I can relate a little to this guy. When I was young and in high school I had a decent amount of girlfriends, but couldn't keep any of them past 3 months, I was always dumped. Around my early 20's I went completely dry when I hit the bar scene. I got the dirty looks, the no thank you's, had girls con me into buying them drinks then say they will be right back and never come back. I was working dead end retail jobs, food service jobs and was always trying to get better work. I was watching porn and masturbating about 4 times a day, sometimes even more.

                              My buddy then told me about David DeAngelo and the essentially what is known as the pick up artist community. I didn't go extreme and peacock like crazy and I didn't use the opinion openers or anything, but a lot of the advise they gave about body language, being a man, relaxing around woman, worked a lot. It helped me a lot in my personal life as well. I now have a good sense of fashion, wear clothes that actually fit, I have two business that are doing pretty good and started them with no capital at all. Lost 30 lbs and in shape, not muscle head shape more like runner/swimmer type of shape. I have a decent amount of options and have been on as much as 4 dates in a single week. I am not trying to be mr. playboy and sleep with every girl I meet, but it became a different life. I have even been lucky enough to have a few girls game me at bars, which never happened in my early 20's.

                              [–]bigreader7883 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                              So here is my HO:

                              I can say this after devoting some time, perhaps too much time on a Saturday night, to trying to understand this tragic situation.

                              Here are a few points: first, the guy was a spoiled douchebag, who was also amoral, a-religious, and very selfish and entitled. Also, though the guy was effeminate, I view this more a result of his spoiled and privileged upbringing than actual homosexual tendencies, he never really had a job and all/most of his friends were through daddy's social connections so other males his age couldn't give him tips.

                              I read his manifesto, and it seems like he gave up on life early - retreating into video games like WoW rather than socializing, not having any role models, never doing anything for others - volunteer work, etc. His decisions are unfortunately the result of extreme selfishness combined with privilege and entitlement. He HAD to win the lottery RIGHT NOW, not wait for his daddy the director to make more money and have more privilege with Hunger Games Part 3.

                              Having said all of this, I blame his dad more than anyone else. His mom did what she could and loved him; his step mom owed him nothing and was a normal wicked stepmother, and put up with a lot over a long period of time.

                              But his dad, being a Hollywood big shot, could have easily, one time over the years, gone to a bar or club with him, brought along some movie stars, told him to STFU and stand over there, brought up a couple of cute girls over and basically lured them into being his girlfriend, or at least kissing him. This is so easy to do for someone like his dad, and he could not bear to spend one night out of more than 1200 or so since the guy turned 18 to do this?

                              Why does no one mention this? Success with girls was easy for his dad, and he never shared this with his son, out of offending his mistress. He should have stood up to his mistress, spent some time with his son, and this tragedy would not have happened.

                              [–]fakepizza 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                              A big part I think is that he felt worthless himself. He never worked a job in his life and had everything handed to him on a silver platter. $300 shirt? $200 at a sushi place? BMW?

                              He dropped out of college and was living in a "transition home" apartment for people who can't live independently and need someone to help him. He also had three chinese roomates, and he probably felt really isolated even more.

                              Def was messed up, but it's an interesting psychological case study.

                              [–]so6p 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                              If anything he has textbook symptoms of extreme blue pill behavior.

                              One of the top indicators of BP behavior is a "mindset of scarcity". ALWAYS test for this in any behavior from a person - "that there is not enough of something to go around" and the fear that "I can never get that if all those people got to it", that "others have what I don't and can't". This leads to: desperation, low self-esteem, insecurity, anger, frustration, and all sorts of evil and overall a generally miserable lifestyle.

                              I seriously think that if this person understood and learned red-pill behavior, then he wouldn't had been so miserable. I bet he lacked strong male role-models in his life too which would explain why he ended up embracing fucked up omega ideas in his head.

                              [–]Espada18 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                              I've got a friend with this kind of behaviour, his parents are rich and everything was served for him on a platter throughout his entire life, so he thinks the world owes him everything, hopefully he won't steer down this guys path.

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                                  They also found 3 more bodies at his apartment who were killed prior to the shooting.

                                  [–]1johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                  http://www.returnofkings.com/36135/no-one-would-have-died-if-pua-hate-killer-elliot-rodger-learned-game

                                  Roosh on the case

                                  I would post it, but the ban is in place.

                                  Some comments are insightful:

                                  There are a few other things suggesting a feminine/liberal mindset too. He never questions the assumption in his manifesto that "he deserves a beautiful blonde female". It seems to just be a given. He was trying to make himself more attractive (better clothes, nice car, ect.) to attract females. This is generally what a woman does (make herself look more attractive). A man needs to learn skills and achieves. He was a member of PUAhate, a site that thinks PUA techniques and self-improvement is worthless.

                                  [–]cookiecutterbullshit 2 points3 points  (9 children)

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                                  Trying to tie TRP into a mass murderer is pretty fucking disgusting. First off, the shooter was a male, and in his deranged manifesto he talks about his struggles with women. Ergo, TRP is to blame. /s

                                  Never mind the fact that we heavily criticized the dude in several posts both before and after the tragedy.

                                  We are probably the biggest source of criticism of blue pill idiots out there. That included this guy.The reason we're hated and being tied to this guy is because our criticism was constructive... not derisive. Everyone else just posts to /r/cringe[1] and then makes casual commentary about how awkward they are. Our criticism easily translates to helpful advice; theirs translates to "just go fuck off".

                                  For many Redditors, it seems they're willing to take a lunatic's 140 page manifesto about women seriously if it means tying a mass murder to TRP.

                                  And if they're going to do that it should be no surprise they completely disregard the fact that we never defended this guy's opinions and were heavily critical of the guy, even before he wen't off.

                                  I guess being sympathetic to a guy lamenting over his virginity will land you in hot water if he ends up being psychologically disturbed enough to do what he did. I guess trying to help someone in that situation and taking their problems seriously means you're now somehow tied to every damn thing he does hereafter.

                                  Lesson learned: In the blue pill world, beta men are treated like the plague. Be careful how you help the betas you meet in your life, as signs of compassion directed at these people will be interpenetrated as being tainted. If someone's having problems with women, DO NOT openly sympathize with them. Cast the first stone, apologize later in private if you feel the need to, and NEVER allow yourself to be perceived has anything less that an absolute alpha.

                                  [–]etcomro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                  A lot of things are being said about this guy. But few are talking about how a monster was like this was created. It wasn't just that girls didn't like him, look at his family life. Anyone who walked in his shoes would have had a hard time keeping a cool head too.

                                  [–]Gantzman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                  My conclusions from reading the manifesto:

                                  IMNSHO, his life was a sequence of events, some random, some not, that was bound to end in some sort of a catastrophic way. A perfect storm.

                                  He is born and raised a wealthy, hollywood family, which certainly contributed towards his narcissm, if not causing it completely. Even at young age his poor social skills were becoming visible. Thanks to his upbringing, he becomes entitled to good treatment and getting what he wants.

                                  Then, around 10-14 age, shit hits the fan. His family is broken by divorce, he gets a combo treatment of shit parenting and asshole stepmother. Cue emotional distress. His social skills, not so great to start with, take a hit. He wants to belong to the "popular kids", he feels entitled to, being rich and thinking he's awesome. He doesn't realize that personality wise, he doesn't fit there. His social skills aren't right for it, and he's way too introverted for this subculture. But thanks to his history, he thinks that's where he should belong, and where he should want to belong. Even if he knows that there is world beyond the "popular kids" (likely he doesn't), he probably doesn't want to go there anyway, for one reason or another.

                                  Around 14, the continued fucked upedness of his family life, and his expectations disconnected from reality, are compounded by the fact that he turns out to be a slow grower, which results in him being a scrawny introvert kid with poor social skills, which in turn gets him bullied, which in turn makes all his issues worse than they already were. It is super effective in making him even more insecure and socially anxious, because for the above reason he's already emotionally unstable and has a weak personality. Then puberty hits, both socially and sexually, on top of that, and as an extension of his social problems he can rest assured that he will be equally bad when it comes to romance, which in turn is another source of mental anguish for him.

                                  But even by that time, turns out he's not very smart either, and still thinks he should be one of the popular kids and get everything he wants as he did in his early life. He doesn't know that he doesn't fit with the popular kids and their culture for many reasons, and trying to join them will result in total failure, which will make him feel even worse and even less socially successful.

                                  Continue that loop for few years, and you end up with a guy who has zero confidence or social skills, completely screwed up personality, to the level of needing mental healthcare, and plenty of blame to throw around for his failures, yet doesn't even realize how screwed up he is. He decides that his life sucks so much (he wants to be one of the glamorous, rich, popular people, he constantly fails at that, he has no idea why, so he makes up his insane ramblings to explain it) he might aswell go out with a bang and take some of the people he hates (which is a very broad category at this point) with him. He does that. Now we are discussing it here.

                                  [–]moosik85 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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                                  Mark my words. The more feminized and emasculated men become the more this will happen.

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                                  He should've just gone to a prostitute. With the money he had, he would've gotten a great one out there in Cali.

                                  [–]dongpal 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                                  he didnt want a prostitute, he wanted a women to care for him , a relationship

                                  [–]tedcase 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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                                  If Elliot Rodgers had known about the Red Pill, 7 people would still be alive today.

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                                  Its really shameful how the SJWs/mainstream media treat this case.

                                  major halo effect , no use of reason, no self reflection.

                                  not that you can expect better.

                                  [–]Bergekatze 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                                  Fuck. Why do some people think his behavior was TRP. IT WAS NOT! Why do redditors think that his behavior was TRP like. What the fuck? Seriously people do not get this sub. They think it is really bad and evil.

                                  [–]Jennesto 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                                  I wish i could have helped him :/

                                  [–]throwaway98702018 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                                  First off, I don't agree with the way this man handled his problems - he didn't solve anything and he broke a lot of innocent families for nothing. Unfortunately I can't help, but relate with him. Its the feeling of abandonment that makes you want to kill. I don't approve of it, but I understand his frustration and his sense of complete loss. So much potential being in his social position, but he cannot utilize it - a frustration I can somewhat understand.

                                  That sense of inferiority when everyone around you is screwing while you're unable to. The mild autism. The sophistication and politeness and getting shit because of it. The loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires. The social rejection from the people you fit in the most with, mentally and class-wise. The deep rooted and powerful anger causing you to want to do illogical things that make things worse.

                                  My experience with psychologists and psychiatrists is that the help they give is only partial. Is there really no place for people like us to get real help? Are we really destined to sit by and watch others get laid?

                                  Meds do help... I was jogging at 4AM on a Saturday morning and stumbled across two children (13-14) who just had sex and I whistled and laughed it off. Before I would have started crying at how unfair the world is. I remember that day in school when all the boys and girls started practising kissing and no girl wanted to kiss me. My best friend kissed 5 girls and I had nobody. How I hated valentines day and the teachers who make a big deal out of it. Coming to my desk to find an empty envelope while others had love letters piling on their desks ... all the kids looking at me to see my reaction - tears streaming down my hot red face.

                                  Maybe that is where TheRedPill comes in for people like me and this guy. It can help us with social behaviours and how we relate to one another. It can give us comradeship and then help us get laid. At least it can give us hope that not all is lost and that would stop people from killing themselves and others.

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                                    This doesn't surprise me in the least.

                                    Humans are designed with an inherent need to overcome their own nature before they can properly become adults. Saddling a kid with those kinds of burdens is just going to marinate the kid in self loathing hatred and narcissism. I'm half inclined to believe his parents had him stoned out of his mind with anti-depressants and assumed that when the symptoms left the root cause was no longer there, but I doubt we'll actually hear about it because there's another tragedy to exploit for gun control fuddies.

                                    Never mind that the kid stabbed half his victims.

                                    [–]TheDamnedEngineer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                                    If he didn't kill himself he would probably have some pussy right now.