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[–]1redpillbanana 458 points459 points  (98 children)

Feminists are losing the debate online.

People are seeing the awful side of feminism such as:

Their seeing the same debunked lies and myths told over and over again:

  • Women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes
  • 1 in 4 women will be raped during their lifetimes
  • only 3% of rapists are punished

The icing on the cake is seeing how infrequently women are held accountable for bad behavior:

When feminists actually do get into debates, which is rare, they lose spectacularly:

I'd like to believe that the majority of people value things like truth and logic, and feminists have shown that they are willing to twist the truth and defy logic to advance their agenda, playing to victimhood and shaming language instead. When presented with facts and evidence, this is typical of how they respond:

https://i.imgur.com/qcokrfI.jpg

“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harris

"I don't give a shit lol" -- Feminist

TL;DR: keep debating the feminists online - you won't change their minds, but others are watching.

Edit: I put enough effort into this that I made it a full submission:

  • Feminists: why even bother debating them?

Edit 2: thanks for the gold!

[–]paulwal 84 points85 points  (43 children)

This is a damn good post.

Also this video made it to the top of r/videos recently: http://youtu.be/oj9dA6E3fJw

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Damn, she got told. Look at how rattled she was in the end there.

Feminists talk a tough game, but I'll bet you +90% of them would react similarly if someone were to just lay it down straight like that.

[–]1redpillbanana 32 points33 points  (1 child)

She got stung so badly that I almost felt bad for her. Almost.

Note how she jumps right to victimhood to garner sympathy.

[–]LS_D 4 points5 points  (0 children)

did you notice her posh accent disappeared under stress? lol

And then the defensive knee holding body language!

[–]rpkarma 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Duuuuuuuuude. She got tyrannosaurus REKT

[–]Viperys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy mother of wow, that was powerful.

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, and thanks for the video, that was great to watch.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 47 points48 points  (16 children)

I used to advocate that you shouldn't engage the hamster, but I admit it's a pretty hilarious guilty pleasure. The damndest thing is how easy it is to win a debate with a feminist. All you need is the balls to stand up to them. They're all batshit crazy idiots whose only real weapons are shaming language and unbelievably bad rationalizations. Maybe we should make a TRP debate sub? If we're making this big an impact, or at least helping turn the tide, then I say invite people to come and try to disprove TRP as a challenge extended by and affiliated with the main sub.

The topic of Feminism not being so great after all is fresh in a lot of minds right now. Let's take advantage of that.

[–]ddundly 23 points24 points  (7 children)

There is no use debating someone (feminist or otherwise) who is so wholly entrenched into their own irrational ideas that they no longer hold an objective view on reality.

In other words, you can't argue with crazy. The only way to "win" against them is to ignore them. If you stand up to them, they'll just regroup with other crazies in the same mindset to try and exact revenge somehow. These are the kind of people that will go to any length to not be wrong.

A man knows when he is wrong, and steps up to admit it. He learns from his mistakes and takes the opportunity to improve himself. A self absorbed, self righteous person (such as a feminist) will never admit it, will never learn from it, and will stagnate in their misplaced hate until they rot.

Don't give them the attention they crave.

[–]muensterkat 26 points27 points  (3 children)

There's a podcast called The Atheist Experience out of Austin, TX I used to listen to when I was coming out of my faith that encourages live viewers to call in and throw questions about belief in God/gods at the hosts and maybe debate a bit. One of the hosts, Matt Dillahunty, was exceptionally good at this and one of the things he would often say is that he wouldn't get into debates about religion unless there was some kind of audience. He did that because he believed that if someone was so entrenched in their position, they wouldn't budge anyway. However, there might be someone watching who hadn't been confronted with this kind of information before who might be encouraged to go home and continue researching the topic only to one day reverse their view.

I mention this because I feel feminism is much the same way. You're right that feminists very likely won't be changing their views any time soon, but at least in the world of twitter, reddit, news media, radio, forums and other mediums that have a wide body of viewers, I think it is fruitful to engage in debate. Many atheists will tell you that they didn't "de-convert" in a singular moment of awareness. Rather that process took many months or years even to process internally in a mixed battle between their ingrained emotions and logic.

Feminism had a long time to entrench itself in the public paradigm here in the West. Many of us don't know a life without it but intuitively suspect something is amiss with it. The process might very well be slow for some people, but after all, many of us didn't find TRP until we saw the clash between sides on other parts of reddit. Many of us even came expecting to disagree with TRP, many more were simply curious. The growth of this sub owes its success to people who confront feminism, because those conflicts will bring attention to the message. I would say that we shouldn't engage in person in most cases because it won't go anywhere and it will likely damage your social standing and possibly wreck some relationships both personal and professional. But at least online, we should feel justified in debate because the proof is there that it works. We don't debate for the SJWs, we debate for those that might find their way here and those who will very likely choose to stay.

[–]RedPill115 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Excellent post.

Feminism (and an endless series of political topics before and during it) works through "belief through repetition". When repeating feminist talking points goes unopposed, a lot of times people don't believe it the first or second time - it's the 4th or 5th time that they start to believe that it's "truth" simply because it's been repeated so often.

[–]1xwm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

because those conflicts will bring attention to the message.

I know of at least one person who this point is completely true for, and I would like to add in a thank you to everyone who debated it until I was aware trp was even an option.

[–]1redpillbanana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You've made the point I was trying to make even better than I did, thank you.

I've not heard much about The Atheist Experience, but I do remember seeing this episode which I absolutely loved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jr-FZZy8i4

TL;DR: Best caller ever, answers his own questions.

[–]j-pHil 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Debates aren't for the parties involved, they are for the audience to learn from.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This is important to remember.

[–]anonlymouse 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As long as there's an audience, there's plenty of use in debating them. In fact, the more entrenched they are, the better.

[–]1exit_sandman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're all batshit crazy idiots whose only real weapons are shaming language and unbelievably bad rationalizations.

Can confirm. Had a debate at /r/punchingmorpheus where I argues that a woman who is going out on dates also has a certain responsibility to make sure as good as she can that nothing happens to her. The answer from one of the idiots? "Rape culture is a real thing, you know"

[–]Acx3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't beat the hamster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPHlHuhBVFI

[–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe we should make a TRP debate sub?

There is /r/PurplePillDebate which can be interesting sometimes. Maybe /r/TheRedPill can have Debate Us Mondays or something like that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Just glanced at /r/PurplePillDebate and it looks like a bunch of Blue Pillers saying NAWALT and heavily down-voting every Red Piller on sight.

[–]1exit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, PPD actually has a fair amount of redpillers (M and F) in there, red-leaning purples (as well as blue-leaning ones) and of course bluepillers, so there's indeed some debate going on.

Punchingmorpheus is - despite its claim to be somewhat post-gender warfare - more like that, it's firmly bluepill, the only difference being that you don't get drawn and quartered for what you write unlike other places.

[–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not so one-sided. I actually have one of the most upvoted comments in one of the debates. Still, it's not the highest-quality sub at this point.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 32 points33 points  (11 children)

Why debate them?

Because if we had been debating them sooner we wouldn't have gotten to this bad of a place in the first place. When feminists are debated people see their stupidity under the harsh light of the truth.

[–]1redpillbanana 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is a really good point. Bill Maher points out what has been the reaction of men to feminist debate up until now:

http://youtu.be/CmRDUcbx9tw?t=53s

The whole video is really worth watching, but the 53 second mark is where he talks about how men have given up the debate to women and just nod along. Then super blue pill Michael Moore says, "Just agree! Just agree!"

[–]slkrk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That one panelist.

I'm married for the third time

How do you manage that?

[–]randomevenings 5 points6 points  (7 children)

We should have laughed them off. Back when they wanted to vote but they didn't want to die in a war, we should have laughed them off.

Debate let's them believe they have a position worth defending.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Society DID 'laugh them off'. Then, a few years ago we noticed that while society laughed, feminists recruited and filled many positions of power....all without ever seriously having their views challenged. Now, we have generations of people taking radfem bullshit as fact everyone 'knows', like Patriarchy.

It is the lazy, frankly moronically complacent men who 'laughed' at feminists that made its proliferation all but assured.

Evil does not shrink when ignored. Why some people think it does is beyond me.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

[–]randomevenings 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We didn't laugh them off. We gave them the power to change society.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, people dismissed them as cranks, and ignored them. Now look what's happened to society as a result. Men that won't speak up aren't 'too alpha', they're 'too afraid'.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The point of debating them isn't to win an argument. It is to persuade those that are watching. If we had stood up to them in the first place we would have had more power to persuade the masses and help them see what the true intention of feminism is.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We tried...didn't work. Laughing something off doesn't do anything. You must engage them in front of others and expose them for what they are. Just ignoring a movement is not a good way to make it go away. In fact, it's a guaranteed way to ensure it builds momentum and succeeds.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another good point. Too bad the draft will never be used in the US again so they'll never have to deal with the whole being forced into the military crap men had to deal with.

[–]DexterousRichard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, IMHO it's not about debate. It's about where we have ceded real power.

It's about just saying no when they spout BS. You don't have to debate it. You just have to say no and stand your ground.

[–]lift_the_heavy_thing 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just watched the Sharon Osbourne penis mutilation video. It actually got my heart racing; put about 200 in a room and talk about a man being horribly disfigured for life. What do you get? Zero empathy. Questions asking what the man must've done to deserve it.

Imagine if a woman presented her husband with a divorce and he responded by carving her vagina out? Imagine the shitstorm if anyone in the public eye made a joke about it. And if you flip it the other way around? It's a laugh a minute! Hilarious! A man can't form an intimate relationship with any woman ever again and loses part of his very identity for the remainder of his life? What a hoot! Hahahaha!

People say men start wars but I'm not so sure. I'd be morbidly curious to see what a world run by these women would do.

[–]Clbull 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also, /r/ShitRedditSays alone is a reason to dislike radical feminism.

[–]j-pHil 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Marc rudov with the bodybshot. Boom!

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, that was basically the fatal blow in that debate. Finish her!

[–]ShitLordXurious 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Great post.

Was that meant to be a lnk at the end?

Also, you might want to mention the scam artists Sarkesian.

[–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks!

I would like to have made it a link, but TRP has a rule against linking directly to Reddit, even if it is a link within TRP.

Good point about Anita Sarkeesian. I mentioned her at first but I deleted it because she's not so obviously bad, even though I don't really respect her work. She's basically just guilty of being slow and low quality.

[–]RPDBF 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The 77cents on the dollar reddit as a whole definitely is against now. Anytime the wage gap gets brought up now there's always someone debunking it immediately which didn't used to happen

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem is that people still quote this statistic regularly even though it has been debunked. Even President Obama quotes it: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-state-union-says-women-make-77-cents-/

[–]aaafffdeerr 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Damn I just watched a 45 min Alice Schwarzer video. Still worth it.

[–]CptDefB 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just watched a 45 min Esther Vilar video. Her Amused Mastery was amazing. The Polygamous Sex, the book they're discussing, is also amazing. Probably the best book I've read in a while and the easiest one stop shop for a complete explanation of RP concepts.

edit: http://naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Vilar,Esther/PolygamousSex.html It can be read in a day. Can't recommend it enough. If you're reading this, and have nothing to do today, do yourself a favor and read it. You don't have to treat it like work. I took multiple breaks and still finished it.

[–]aaafffdeerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just read the first chapter..not disappointed.. to think that even at 1975 some knew what was up, makes me wonder how it came to all this.

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That video is definitely worth it.

Alice Schwarzer got completely destroyed IMAO, even though she did start making some good arguments at the end.

As I mentioned in another thread, Alice Schwarzer was thoroughly outmached - she basically brought a knife to a gun fight.

[–]Sirinon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's sad because if Big red wasn't a psycho I'd be all over that.

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've heard she has an OKCupid profile...

[–]cyberprodigy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That Marc Rudov video at the end. That cunt gets REKT.

[–]ziggitypumziggitypim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incredibly thorough research, mate. I'm gonna use this to shut some people the fuck up.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great fucking post. Should just post this on every article where any feminists dare raise their heads.

[–]squiremarcus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

pleeease tell me there is a copy of that "twitter feed" they mention in the end of Cathy Lette vs. Alex Deane

[–]scallopkid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why the internet is great. Everything comes to light eventually.

[–]marrio91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"When men are married to women who scream like you do, they just want to die sooner"

PURE FUCKING GOLD

[–]1ubiety 53 points54 points  (8 children)

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Western Feminism doesn't have clearly defined goals and lacks a self-sustainable movement to propel its issues to Congress or most European countries legislatures. It's uselessness stems from what it deems 'important' issues, predominantly focusing on clever social constructions of the patriarchy and other institutionalized boogeymen. It's easier to criticize invisible, nebulous entities than actual oppressors because very few of those people actually exist . Feminists want to change how reality works so it fits their narrative. Oh - women aren't in STEM? MUST be inherent misogyny built into the structure of the system! Never mind the fact that girls on average prefer biology or liberal arts to engineering and computer science.

1st wave won women suffrage. 2nd wave liberated women from sexual and economic disenfranchisement. 3rd wave wants to disregard evolutionary biology, genetics and factors outside of their control to force feed their social construction narrative. Literally, ideology matters more than objective truth or unmanipulated statistics. The 3rd wave is having your cake and eating it too, except it wants to redistribute the cakes so everyone can have a piece without the effort required to bake one.

It's good that redditors are voicing their opinions against the SJWs, Tumblr Feminists, talking-head feminists and ideologues which spew this nonsense. The more irrational their arguments, the more people who come over to the 'dark side' of reality - where men and women are inherently different. The more we accept our differences for what they are rather than what they should be, the less time we spend distracted from real issues (like NSA shit). Besides, feminists use that line of reasoning a shit-ton to force their version of tolerance, why not take a cue from their own playbook and stop complaining about things they can't change?

Wait - they think they can . Oh... ohhhhhh

[–]4ZA 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Great post.

I hold a suspicion that most major feminist media outlets have been bought out and corrupted to get to get the exact outcome we see today, in the goal of pushing apart Men and Women.

[–]RedPill115 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Feminism seems to have it's actual root in rich people who wanted to double their workforce, so convinced women that raising children and not working was "oppression".

Honestly, it kinda makes me wonder if the real drive today is similar. People not having kids make more productive workers right? Men fighting women and women fighting men takes away the focus from how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, right?

[–]1ubiety 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yup. The rich get more female workers, most of who become unhappy because they want to find a rich husband to raise their family (and there's only so many of those). So these clueless/loser women lead irresponsible, vicarious sex lives devoid of self restraint because they're mentally broken from being an alpha widow, hopped up on antidepressants, and/or simply believe 'you go girl' is an appropriate long term lifestyle. They seek a life which makes them unhappy, which subsequently leads to them blaming the opposite gender for their choices.

Now some tangents.

It's really convenient for the rich to exploit social issues, look a history textbook and see the focus on racial and sexist history - little to no focus on financial recessions save the Great Depression - and even then it's turned into a social issue by focusing on the great welfare programs developed during the 30s/40s. The financial causes of the Great Depression are gleaned over, similarly to that blank check given to banks during the whole TARP fiasco (less media spotlight, less public scrutiny, easier to pass unwieldy bills). The NSA gets so much coverage online because we have a vested interest as a global public in a free and open internet. Large media conglomerates don't care, they would love to see their competition monitored/destroyed, they want to control the access of information to us.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble. Where's my pitchfork...

[–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly.

Imagine someone told you that you could stay and home and raise children, and you wouldn't have to work, but you'd be respected and admired for it - rather spending your life working in a dreary office for a big corporation.

Then, they managed to convince you that this arrangement was "oppression", and you needed to "overcome" this oppression so that you could be "free" to do the dreary office thing.

And that...seems to be the actual origins of feminism. The "freedom" they claimed to have won seems to be to change your master from being your husband to being your boss in a dreary corporate entity...

[–]Hoodwink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Western Feminism doesn't have clearly defined goals and lacks a self-sustainable movement to propel its issues to Congress or most European countries legislatures.

The fact that it doesn't have clearly defined goals is its strength. And it does propel issues to Congress and European legislatures - I don't know what you've been smoking.

The abstraction of a goal 'equality' (feminism), 'freedom' (War on Terror), 'communism'/'fascism' (sometimes the enemies were more capitalistic than the U.S. especially in the 1950's), and others have shown enormous strength in propaganda and politics to control and shut down internal dissent, populist efforts, and critical thought.

Feminists use the latest propagandist techniques and thought-terminating cliches. I'm convinced the CIA (or rather more relevant agencies) and more than a few academics study it as a live test on the population before implementing similar war propaganda in the U.S. and abroad.

[–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're way off here dude. Feminists have implemented all sorts of insane laws in many jurisdictions. For example, in Europe, the socialist government brought in some domestic violence laws that ended up creating over 100,000 false accusations against men PER YEAR. A man could be picked up by the police and spend 2 nights in jail just based on the word of a woman, that he was violent or even just verbally abusive to her. In Sweden, a feminist party had some good success in recent elections.

It's naive to think feminists aren't well organised, and rewarded by governments. They have everyone running scared.

[–]xantris 59 points60 points  (3 children)

I've noticed it too. I've also noticed that more men at work are more hostile to it. I mentioned that one of our female workers was complaining about a client who was "misogynistic" towards them. A year or two ago that would have been received relatively seriously... today all the guys just kinda rolled their eyes.

[–]lift_the_heavy_thing 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I chatted with a colleague I hadn't seen in a while two weeks ago. She is on a graduate scheme, meaning she is young and inexperienced.

She was complaining about how her male colleagues are condescending toward her. Her theory behind why? Is it because she's inexperienced? Is it because she's new to the job itself? Is it because she's not very good at her job? Maybe it's because her colleagues aren't very nice people and are generally condescending to everyone? Maybe they simply don't get on?

Nope. They're condescending because she's a woman. She went straight to that. There are so many possibilities for her poor working relationship with others and she blamed it on gender.

The beautiful irony of this is that, in this exchange between her and her colleagues as in the case with your female worker, she is the first to be acting as a sexist. By claiming that she is the target of misogyny she is the first to openly acknowledge the gender difference and has used this as the basis of the poor working relationship. She is the one to openly blame the poor working relationship on the fact that her colleague is a man.

[–]deep_anal_thrusts 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The western feminist narrative is very similar to the african american "dey racist" narrative, where any hardship experienced by blacks is because of "racism"...All this "I am a victim" BS needs to stop

[–]bookhockey24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What industry do you work in?

[–]Kepaso 12 points13 points  (0 children)

i noticed also that more women were willing to be seen against feminism. I never thought a '' i don't need feminism'' campaign made by women, but there it was and it even made the traditional news.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Western culture generally is becoming more opposed to feminism, which is why they have been bleating louder and louder I'm recent years, and waging all these wars in the culture. They can feel themselves losing control of the narrative and they are freaking the fuck out over it.

[–]xxbearxx 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Add this one to the list. Just made it to the front page on r/videos.

The female co-host actually laughs when the guest brings up the idea that a woman should be held as accountable as a man when she commits domestic violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1RLXDMNRY#t=115

[–]liljenz0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look at her body language. The female host shakes her head no while saying that she agrees that women should be held to the same standard as men when it comes to domestic violence at around 3:18. This slight movement is a subtle yet meaningful gesture illustrating what she really thinks of this issue.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorF9R 7 points8 points  (9 children)

TheRedPill vs Feminism. Compare TwoX as well, and you'll see that TheRedPill was consistently growing roughly twice as fast before TwoX became a default. The internet is coming to its senses.

[–]Sheensta 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Whoa, any explanation for the 1440 subscribers in one day?

[–]widec 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Whenever a "which subreddit do you hate/would you remove from reddit" post comes up and TRP is mentioned, the subscriber count for that day skyrockets. The negative publicity makes people curious, and many stick around.

[–]2lightfire409 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That was when the "EMSK The Red Pill Will Kill You Inside" post hit the front page with 3000+ upvotes. The thesis was we achieve our goals by abusing our girls. Which was rooted in the assumption that men and women are exactly alike and want the same things.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I can't find the thread, but there was a post wondering about the discrepancy of subscribers reported by reddit and an external metric site, putting TwoX at 89K real subscribers. It won't be long before TRP has more real subs than TwoX.

[–]Radox_Redux 1 point2 points  (4 children)

That must be some damn discrepancy. Given it's front page status, I seriously doubt that it'll only have 89k subs. It's funny, prior to that TRP was actually growing faster.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It was speculated that the rest of them are banned/shadowbanned accounts. Which is also telling, if the majority of people fed TwoX were banned because they couldn't stand the bullshit.

[–]Radox_Redux 0 points1 point  (2 children)

91% of TXC are shadowbanned? Sorry, but I'm sceptical.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you have a better hypothesis for why there's such a discrepancy in the internal and external metrics?

[–]Radox_Redux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. I haven't seen those metrics but 91% of a 1mil+ sub seems crazy.

[–]Flytape 86 points87 points  (100 children)

Feminism made the mistake of waking the sleeping giant.

Gamer gate has upset the hordes of basement dwelling underachieving dormant men. Men who mentally are alphas due to their artificial military training in cyberland. These men have been insulated from the outside world because of their preoccupation with videogames. Suddenly feminist jumped into their world and we know the rest of the story.

The funny thing is, if femist actually managed to get some regulatory authority to emasculate all future games that were released, a solid chunk of those dudes would quit playing video games and venture out into the real world. In other words feminism might actually save these dudes from their selves by making games unpalatable to their male egos.

[–]rebuildingMyself 55 points56 points  (52 children)

The funny thing is, if femist actually managed to get some regulatory authority to emasculate all future games that were released, a solid chunk of those dudes would quit playing video games and venture out into the real world. In other words feminism might actually save these dudes from their selves by making games unpalatable to their male egos.

This cancer spreading is exactly what it took to get me away from mindless television. You can only watch so much sitcoms about women-good-men-bad. If it wasn't for that, don't think I would have ever stopped and began living on the real world.

[–]Flytape 53 points54 points  (50 children)

What made me quit watching TV was a combination of things but one that stands out is the token gay character that is always "the funniest character in the room" I've known plenty of gay people in my life and they are rarely well adjusted enough to be the popular funny guy that everyone enjoys talking to. They are usually the emotional problem plagued guy that everyone avoids unless they are having an exceptionally good day.

There is a ton of unrealistic BS propaganda being pushed through the TV.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I can't watch network television either. Every show is about trying to demonstrate male weakness and propping up female strength.

Men are cowardly and weak and women are noble and strong.

Why would I find something that disparages me that way as entertaining?

[–]ddundly 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Another thing I despise is how the token gay character is always right in every situation... From fashion choice to relationship advice. In the alternate universe of TV land, gay means never having to say you are sorry...

[–]amdefbanned 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah...that's false as fuck. There are plenty of popular funny gay dudes Ive met in my lifetime. Usually theyre the more "fab" like that dude Lohanthony or whatever. They are legit funny as fuck because they tend not to give a fuck. Maybe the ones you've met live in a more oppressive environment on their gay identity or whatevs but Ive met a wide range of fab gays to the quiet gay dudes who masculine as hell and you wouldnt even know they like dicks up the ass. Other than that I agree masculinity is really deemphasized nowadays in general. You cant even like a pair of tits or chick in a bikini without some little feminist twerp getting upset

[–]cali_gunner 25 points26 points  (39 children)

It's about destroying the family unit and teaching kids about gay sex at as young an age as possible. Gotta recruit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 15 points16 points  (23 children)

It's about social engineering...

Dont worry if you're not one of the top 20% of men getting 80% of the pussy... there's still 20% pussy out there and 80% of men... start learning to fudge pack because that's the only way you can get off without using lefty.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Haven't you heard?

Gender is nothing but a social construct and not liking gay sex means you have a pathological phobia.

Feminism is evolving into one giant gay pickup line.

[–]1xwm 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Gender is nothing but a social construct

This line always cracks me up. Yeah. Social. Because society/the patriarchy convinced my body to spike testosterone production.

[–]cali_gunner 12 points13 points  (19 children)

I love the "just born this way xD" propaganda line that excludes sexual abuse from a family member/trusted figure, lack of relationship with a biological parent (or both, or not having certain role models), or how we can talk about effects of isolation (gee all those guys in prison didn't seem to need to turn to a man before spending years without women).

[–]slowperner 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is a shift in the line of thinking about the whole "born this way". If you read most queer, feminist, or even conservative publications, they would all tell you that homosexuality and heterosexuality are modern social constructs that doesn't really shed light on human sexuality. Heck, the younger generation of gays don't really believe that homosexuality is something that your simply born with. So the whole innate sexuality has gone out vague, and replace with a new line of thinking.

[–]gprime312 0 points1 point  (7 children)

A person is born gay or straight. Their upbringing determines how that's expressed (flamboyant/conservative) It's an epigenetic thing I think.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Your statement sounds crazy, too far-fetched... But I saw the latest episode of Two and Half Men, and you pretty much nailed it.

[–]cali_gunner 12 points13 points  (9 children)

I love how the left dishonestly says that sex education is biased or bigoted without it, as if the point of sex ed is pleasure and not reproduction. They will never get to reproduce naturally and it kills them.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 7 points8 points  (2 children)

That's the lavender menace plan.

Because heterosexual sex is man thrusting cock into woman - that exemplifies male over female dominance. The thought of heterosexual sex angers them - that is why they say all PIV sex is rape.

The family unit legitimizes this action in their minds so they have to attack it.

[–]cali_gunner 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's certainly a component. They themselves long for a stable family environment and simultaneously jealously hate most people who have them in compare. They think that because they're law abiding that therefore they're normal, when their lifestyle choices couldn't be farther from what a normal or usual person you come across would do - and for millions of years old reasons.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also, it's easier to rationalize a selfish lizard-brained urge as something it is isn't (a heroic anti-patriarchal modus of social justice) rather than just say I'm a lesbian who doesn't like it when the women I'm attracted to only date men and I'd like to start a social movement to undermine that.

They are not motivated by a cause for justice, but rather by jealousy, frustration and selfishness.

These anti-male narratives are adaptable to heterosexual feminists to suit their own selfish avarice, because they very conveniently give cause to people granting them assistance for their personal goals and thus tilts the playing field to their advantage.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Cable shows are getting better, and of course HBO is churning out amazing content now. I think we are starting to enter a new golden age of TV, and the horrible, low-IQ, and utterly trash era of reality TV and 30 minute multi-cam sitcoms ripping on the stupid idiot husband is hopefully coming to an end.

Sitcoms and reality TV were really the worst of the worst.

[–]deep_anal_thrusts 0 points1 point  (2 children)

unlikely...trash is cheap to produce

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well true but it's not getting viewership anymore. Reality TV is dying, that's a fact.

[–]rebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reality TV is the ultimate cheap trash to produce. Sitcoms still cost a lot of money if you want to have known comedians or decent actors/actresses in your show.

[–]RU_Crazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The scary part is this has infiltrated children's shows as well. Add the TV with what these (predominantly) female teachers are likely feeding our children from Pre-K through 12 and you have a recipe for disaster.

In fact I would venture to say TRP wouldn't even have to exist if not for all of this negative programming that gets done during the average western male's childhood years.

[–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprise!

Ever wondered why every other gay person on TV is a flamboyant faggot, and why there's no outrage about it?

Ever wondered why feminists make a huge deal about female protagonists in gaming, when there are far more female protags than non-white ones (despite the latter probably making up a larger portion of gamers)?

Ever wondered why it's okay to have racial quotas for objective roles which the public would have no exposure to (financial and engineering firms and the like), while it's not okay to have the same for subjective roles which massively influence the public (television and film media)?

Or why a white person from Spain can receive affirmative action, while a Cambodian or an Indian can't?

It's because liberal elites don't actually give a fuck about equality or representation, they just want to gain favor. If a movement or sentiment is popular enough (gay marriage), it will be addressed by them in order to appeal to the people. But they will not generally start new initiatives on their own, unless it directly advantages them in some way. Not too different from conservative elites, really.

Feminism directly speaks to 50% of the population, so it's pretty convenient.

[–]Ob1Kn00b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed on TV becoming ridiculous. Everybody Loves Raymond always made me throw up in my mouth a little, and I am so happy I am almost done with my current job so I can stop pretending to tolerate Law and Order SVU.

[–]Mikesapien 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Along these same lines, let's look at "diversity."

Because of focus groups, critics, marketing divisions, ratings boards, and so on, networks demand that writers incorporate a collage of characters that would never exist in real life. Think of Captain Planet, for instance, which is horrendously unrealistic and specifically targeted at children.

Does a Multigrain Cheerios cast add anything to the show? No. Nine times out of ten, they're doing certain kinds of characters for the sake of having those kinds of characters, rather than doing these characters because they're well-written or interesting. "Diverse" casts are boring and token.

A black character is not valuable for its own sake the same way that a white character is not valuable for its own sake. No one sets out thinking "I need all kinds of white people - Irish, Scottish, Australian, South African." That would be absurd. This is only an issue because of whiny, entitled liberals who'd rather ruin someone else's art than make their own.

Television is fantastic. It's entertaining and it has the potential to be incredible. However, television by committee is toxic.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's one of the things I rolled my eyes at. I'll admit, I've been a life long gamer and have been part of internet culture for a while and always will be. It's always been dominated by men, especially the darker sides of internet culture, as well as cool women who knew how to hang. One thing that is true about it is it's not nice. Just about every gamer gets called a faggot, given death threats and rape threats, and whatever other name you can think of in the book. This happens on a weekly basis, but it doesn't effect us because we know it's just part of the culture. That you are going to get shit every now and then so as a man we are learned to deal with this. And the same is true with the internet culture in general. All sorts of shit talking, trash talking, and just brutally hostility exists. And there are no guys complaining on Twitter or even 4chan about the threats.

Then women started coming in recently, mostly because niche social media is blowing up and now girls want to start getting into gaming late in the game simply because they want to invade every male space possible (and I'm sure the cosplay bitches love the attention they get from the army of nerds). This wasn't really a concern, ever, because why the fuck would the tech, nerd, and geek spaces ever get invaded by women?

But they did, and there is a MASSIVE backlash, because they are trying to change the culture. They are bitching about "OMG some guy said he'd rape me! That's so wrong!" As if men don't get that shit all the time, they try to make it seem like it's only women being attacked by men. No, it's people being attacked by people, but since women are so entitled and solopsis they think they are special snowflakes and it's the patriarchy just being mean to them. And it's pisses off the gaming and nerd culture a whole ton.

And if there is one thing I've learned, is that's the group you don't want to touch. They are fucking assholes who do this shit all day. They'll raid, dox, berate, shame, and insult any PERSON who pisses off the hive mind. And feminism is now getting that. They woke up literally the worse group to piss off. While the feminists may be able to control and spread their message through popular media, it's the internet nerds who control the internet narrative. And it's become very apparent in recent years. Go look at any youtube video about feminism where the comments just tear them apart, or any anti-feminist video and it's all praise. It's not even youtube, it's literally any open forum that has these topics come up.

[–]ProjectShamrock 21 points22 points  (13 children)

I think video gaming isn't anything new or novel, it's just what people do instead of previous activities. The guys who play FPS all the time are basically replacing watching sports. A lot of gamers are basically replacing how men used to get together to play cards. Granted, some take gaming to an unhealthy place, but that is just a personality flaw not anything new.

[–]1lucifa 43 points44 points  (20 children)

Men who mentally are alphas due to their artificial military training in cyberland.

Lol what? I play video-games but do not buy that statement. Watch any 'pro-gamer' event on YouTube and you see the behaviour of hyper sensitive petulant manchildren, not adults.

[–]JohnGalt316 30 points31 points  (16 children)

i would have agreed with you before gamergate, but now i'm not so sure

at least those pimply nerds have the balls to fight back

look at the NFL, NBA, and UFC get destroyed

its a fucked up world when the nerds have bigger balls than the jocks

[–]1lucifa 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Only because they're anonymous. Their reputation or job security isn't at stake unlike NFL, NBA or UFC athletes. I imagine they share similar views in private but would rather keep their million dollar contracts.

[–]Mikesapien 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Give a man a mask and he'll show you his true face."

[–]Dante-S 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only because they're anonymous. Their reputation or job security isn't at stake unlike NFL, NBA or UFC athletes. I imagine they share similar views in private but would rather keep their million dollar contracts.

Not really all that true for the NBA. Unlike the UFC or NFL, the overwhelming majority of the money is guaranteed. I remember reading the other day that Allan Houston was the second highest player in the entire league for two years after he was forced to retire. It's a lot more difficult to cut your losses with a player there.

And as funny as it is, NBA athletes might be the most pussy-whipped of them all. Carmelo Anthony letting his wife dictate where he'd get traded and where he'd sign (or re-sign, as it turned out) as a free agent. Fucking Andre Drummond getting rejected/sonned by some girl who does a kid's show on nickelodeon (lol #1) after professing his love for her to the entire world on social media (lol #2). It isn't just the potential $$$ to be lost. A lot of these athletes, especially the new guard, are just straight up pussies. A lot of them lack any sort of proper social calibration whatsoever because they're coddled all the way up the chain.

And if you're still not convinced, a picture is worth a thousand words. Excuse me while I yak.

[–]anonlymouse 3 points4 points  (12 children)

look at the NFL, NBA, and UFC get destroyed

UFC isn't destroyed. Feminism has never had a foothold in it, and never will as long as Dana's CEO.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Your wrong, there is now a woman's league in UFC because it wasnt fair that boys had one and girls didn't.Who wants to pay to watch women pretend to fight?

[–]MartialWay 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There is a woman's division in the UFC because Dana decided he could make money on it. That's the beginning and the end of the story.

[–]dakkr 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I might be missing something here but why is it a problem if there's a women's league? Women want to compete in UFC why not let them?

[–]amdefbanned 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a women's league because UFC cares about dollars. They are trying to bring more interest in 2 areas the last few years "women" and "latinos of particularly the mexican area". This is the reason the next TUF is an all-women cast.

[–]anonlymouse 14 points15 points  (1 child)

There's a women's league in the UFC because Ronda posed nude for SI.

[–]the_hibachi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You shouldn't get down voted. You are right

[–]Mikesapien 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Who wants to pay to watch women pretend to fight?

That's unfair. Many of those female fighters could beat you to death with your own skull.

[–]JohnGalt316 0 points1 point  (1 child)

did you see Thiago Silva and Anthony Johnson get cut/suspended?

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you see the hundreds of other fighters get cut? A fighter getting cut isn't newsworthy.

[–]Flytape 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I do have to agree with you there. Pro gamers might be a different caliber.

I was hinting more at the social man to man dynamics of all these war game clans and the dominance based heirarchys therein. My experience with these clans is that you either carry your own weight or they kick you out. You must prove your worth unless you are a girl gamer.

And you know that acceptance among peers is something we instinctually seek out. Having a virtual world where you're in perfect shape and have all the best equipment as long as you're willing to sit around on your fat ass drinking mountain dew all day to "earn" it is very convenient. Its easy for people to supplement their real world psychological needs with online artificial place holders.

That's all I'm really saying. Think about all the other shit you could be doing while you play video games.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I play on steam with a very diverse group of younger and older friends. Stop stereotyping.

[–]1lucifa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't doubt that - I'm not saying all gamers are manchildren. I already stated I regularly play them. But the notion that the typical gamer is mentally what you'd describe as an alpha is ludicrous.

[–]darksoldierk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not really true. Women have made every part of life unpalatable for men. Men find solace in video games; a place where they can say what they want, do what they want, and be themselves-something that they have been denied in the real world. If a man wants to be himself, he can only do it as long as women are ok with it. For example, if a man wants to be a teacher, he can only do it if women allow him to have a job. If a man wants to be an entrepreneur and becomes a successful CEO, he can only continue to do so if his board of directors meets a gender quota. If a man wants to be a firefighter, he can only do so if he is willing to accept the risk that his team may comprise of some women. And since women don't have to pass the same physical exams as males, the male firefighter is therefore risking his life.

So what will happen if feminists successfully invade the gaming world?The "basement dwelling underachieving dormant men" will have no where to go, and they will be forced to fight for their lives, a fight they will probably lose. Some of these men who don't believe they are able to survive in the real world, and will not be able to live in the virtual world, will probably look for an alternative, some will find that death is the best alternative, others, without a companion and without a world where they can be themselves, will go insane. We are seeing this already. Women invaded and changed the family unit, and because of this, the rate of suicide for males is at an all time high.

Fact is, if feminism and women continue on this path, they will be the cause of severe change in humanity, and a change that isn't good for women. If they continue to weed out men who can't survive in their feminine world, than they will wake up to find that the man who do survive in their world, aren't the types of men they really want. Those will be the kinds of men who will not protect them in the next war, who will not marry them, who will not stick around to take care of their children, who will not continue to contribute to the evolution of society etc etc.

[–]1Watermelon_Salesman 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Men who mentally are alphas due to their artificial military training in cyberland.

Hahahhaha, are you really saying that neckbeard gamers are secretly alpha because they've had to kill or be killed on VIDEOGAMES? Hahahahhaha we've reached a new low people.

[–]Flytape 4 points5 points  (3 children)

No I'm saying they are capable of maintaining an alpha frame over Xbox 360. They can fake it well enough in an environment where they can measure up to those around them. That gives them confidence in that one, very artificial, realm.

[–]xtc99 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Gamer gate

I must have missed this, can someone give me the TL;DR?

[–]myrafae 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Short version from what I gathered:

A (female) video game developer makes a (shitty?) game. She fucks various people in the gaming industry "press" and allegedly (answer depends on who you ask) gets better coverage for her game (and personal stuff). Also uses DMCA strikes to silence criticism.

Gamers are mad at that, and in return get insulted by SJWs ("gamer = misogynist") and shit blows over. The gaming press talks about "gamers are dead", while forums cry havoc how the gaming press is corrupted.

TL;DR: Gamers find out that their "gaming press" is corrupted and pussy gets better reviews. They are mad. They get called misogynists in return (by SJW & the press)

[–]xtc99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SJWs are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here aren't they?

[–]bluedrygrass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, i don't think basement dwellers have alpha mentality at all, no matter the hours spent shooting.

Probably part of the reason is due to the fact that in every new videogame females are more badass than males, stronger, smarter, etc. etc..

It is a known fact that the great majority of videogamers are white knights scumbag, always jumping in the defence of some girly online name and drooling around them, even when a good part of girly nicks are acting males.

[–]DoctorWelch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is sort of me. I dropped out of college after one semester because I was sick of school and wanted to figure out what I was going to do with my life. I was set on doing something with video games and the next three or four years of my life, while going back to school, was focused on playing, reviewing, and understanding video games because it was a hobby I loved and wanted to make into a career somehow.

In the past year and a half I went from playing all manner of games and having a podcast/website, to only playing Dota 2, to now almost never playing games. No longer having an outlet online that isn't corrupt to all hell with SJW bull shit mixed with the staleness I've been feeling over video games in the last year or so has really driven me away from it and I think it is probably all for the better in my life.

The awakening is already happening. Nerds are already getting angry and the process of dormant alphas like myself being released from the morphine drip of distracting media has already begun.

[–]deville05 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I find that women are ostracised by other women. Like a woman cant feel what she wants to feel without being told what to feel and why her feeling are wrong and why thid new feeling is right n she should be feeling that. Feminists are also most men-haters. How you gonna hate me and say that you wanna co-exist equally and do good for me? Women dont wanna be equal.. They want the upper hand, they want the female equivalent of sharia law, they want to fuck us over. The day i see females protesting in favour of the male who has been wronged by a woman, then i too will be open to helping them achieve equality. Cuz I am all for equality.. But if its gonna be one gender more dominant than the other, then I would prefer it to be men.

[–]JoshtheAspie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The day i see females protesting in favour of the male who has been wronged by a woman, then i too will be open to helping them achieve equality.

GirlWritesWhat for a very public example. I haven't checked out the other garls on HoneyBadgerRadio. There are some out there that care about men. In many cases they are the mothers of boys or men. Yet another reason why feminists hate it when a woman gives birth to a boy.

[–]deville05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh I know there are unicorns out there who blog and speak their mind. hence I specifically mentioned "protest" like for an incident whenn they take to the streets or flood social media.

[–]hermit087 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is they could have easily kept the narrative on their side if they could just show the smallest amount of restraint. They didn't need to be right or have intelligent arguments, they simply needed to avoid looking like psychopaths. The mainstream has been on their side for so long that they started believing they could say or do anything without reprocussions, and here we are.

[–]Definately_not_a_cat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Reddit is opposed to modern feminism and has been since it became more popular. This is mainly because reddit generally is opposed to ignorant people. Reddit is not opposed to standard feminism or the belief that everyone is and should be equal.

[–]Transmigratory 16 points17 points  (15 children)

I think its the ridiculous feminism which is being opposed rather than the one which actually stood for egalitarianism.

[–]USmellFunny[S] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Well, that's what is feminism today - the ridiculous one. 3rd wave feminism. Egalitarianism has been achieved in the West with the 2nd wave feminism.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

fuck third wave it's more like fourth wave feminism wanting to have things like castration day and shit...

[–]anonlymouse 21 points22 points  (7 children)

It never stood for egalitarianism. It was a supremacy movement from the start.

[–]4ZA 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I think the suffragettes would be disgusted with modern feminism.

[–]anonlymouse 21 points22 points  (4 children)

http://historyoffeminism.com/emmeline-pankhurst-the-white-feather-betrayal/

Yes, they would, that modern feminism isn't getting enough men killed.

[–]Involution88 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Fun factoid.

They started giving white feathers to men injured or maimed in the war. Mostly to blinded men who could not see them coming.

[–]JoshtheAspie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That is just horrific. Any links to that specific fact so that I can share it with others?

[–]Involution88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My stepgrandfather told me about it. He fought in WW2 though. He'd talk about it when his colostomy bag gave him grief.

A quick google search brings this up though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/10/men-wore-silver-war-badge

[–]2RedPill4LYF 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They would. Do you ever ask about these modern dating developments with your elders? They are just as baffled and disgusted as we are.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that's what's ironic about the whole thing. It's just that women are getting into more traditionally male areas (internet - gaming - technology) and are being treated like EQUALS. Because as we all know, there are no women on the internet. So for the first time ever, they are being treated like complete equals. And being treated like an equal means they are up for the same amount of criticism any man has been getting since day one.

And the thing is, they just can't hang. They don't know how to deal and keep up, and since most of the people they can't keep up with are men, they take it as somehow it's not that they are unable to keep up the same way men have been doing it for years, it's that patriarchy hates women and we want to oppress them.

It's fucking laughable that they actually think being treated as equals is oppression. It's like me saying I'm oppressed because I'm not as good at running a company running a company as someone who has been an entrepreneur since 16. There is no guild of entrepreneurs keeping me down intentionally, it's just that I can't keep up with them; they've been doing it for years.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not that reddit is opposing feminism more, it's that feminists (read: ugly overweight unemployed Tumblr girls who just graduated with a liberal arts degree) are intruding further and further into male spaces in their desire to establish a politically correct matriarchy. The more they try to control teenage and college aged males on the internet, and especially in the video gaming industry, the more resistance they will meet from males who are beginning to realize how ridiculous their shenanigans are.

[–]1rife_omeqa 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Hating on feminism is in vogue. It's the new hipster movement for the masses.

The people denouncing feminism online in an attempt to appear reasoned and cultured will still be the guys supporting female only scholarships, more lenient sentencing for women, drumhead trials and college campus witch hunts for accused rapists and such.

All we are seeing is women distancing themselves from extreme feminism to appear comparitively grounded and reasonable and men agreeing with them. Both genders hating on the obviously distasteful feminism in order to receive validation and attention.

It's not hard to point at the fat, topless, fluro-hair-dyed feminist with a confrontational sign, body paint and an angry expression and say "hey guys look how I'm nothing like her! validation please!".

It's become the easy target for anyone to badmouth in order to appear edgy and controversial without running the risk of being wrong or getting called out.

[–]USmellFunny[S] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Even if many people are simply following crowd mentality, it still exposes a lot of other people to anti-feminist arguments. It opens feminism up to legitimate criticism, which might extend to the mainstream media. Right now feminism is untouchable in the mainstream media and culture, this might not be the case much longer.

[–]1rife_omeqa 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Usually the extreme feminism gets played off as ridiculous by way of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

Some feminist representative simply says that the extreme feminists aren't really feminists and that the feminism she represents is the real feminism. Then a few comparisons are made to show how crazy extreme feminism is while highlighting how reasonable and virtuous the real feminism is.

The only benefit to the distinction being made is that it puts a leash on the publically accepted limits of feminism because they can never get too similar to, or align too closely to extreme feminism without being painted with the same brush.

In that respect I agree with you that it opens up feminism to criticism and allows for at least the blatantly extreme feminism to be denounced.

[–]human_bean_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is precisely it. Feminism isn't going anywhere. It's just shifting invisible after being brought to light. You can bet your asses that the feminine collective does not rest on this. It may not be called feminism anymore but it's exactly the same thing.

[–]JoshtheAspie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so common and false a response, I've got a pre-canned response to this one.

"Bullshit. The horrible feminists are mainstream feminists. NOW, the largest feminist organization in the US campaigned for blaming men for all domestic violence even when they are defending themselves from knife weilding psychos. Hillary Clinton claimed that women 'that loose their husbands' are more victims of war than those men that have lost their limbs, their lives, or their minds to the horrors of it. Womens Studies professors get tenure for writing works calling for this sort of behavior, or worse. Feminism is what gives feminism a bad name. If you're 'one of the good feminists' then you are the member of your group outside of the mainstream."

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right now feminism is untouchable in the mainstream media and culture, this might not be the case much longer.

Already been touched. Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, National Post, Time - they're all MSM.

[–]anonlymouse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's become the easy target for anyone to badmouth in order to appear edgy and controversial without running the risk of being wrong or getting called out.

You definitely run the risk of being called out.

[–]elbrum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Feminism is on the retreat but political correctness and individual irresponsibility are on the rise.

[–]duckducklandwhale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feminism is getting...hmm....shall we say more aired out. I dont feel comfortable about saying it's permanent especially since a huge section of pro-feminist cowards are in control of critical subreddits and the senior admin staff seem to be more partial to feminism. There is also a tendency of some particularly stubborn people to become more committed to a cause if they feel their group is being exposed. So maybe these areas of the site will get stricter/more influential.

Though, currently I think we are seeing more anti-feminism sentiment mainly because the ones involved in the movement keep shooting themselves in the foot. There are clearly more concerned about one gender over the other, which often leads to much hypocrisy and creates animosity in males. There also seems to be a fear of rationality and when they do attempt to embrace it it comes as a transparently half-assed commitment in the form of lip service. Personally, Im also not a fan of their liquid tongues and deliberate obtuseness and focusing on trivial issues. It's funny though to me because the more they participate in such foolishness the more it pushes people like myself and more moderate outsiders away from them and into something like egalitarianism or even more to the right. This is just on the male side, I cant imagine what the female side is like because of all the toe the line bullshit they pull or else you're a special snowflake.

[–]manlyjames 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Maybe it had something to do with /r/TwoXChromosomes becoming a default subreddit. People got to see firsthand how loony and annoying they can be.

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is EXACTLY it... Well just their general emergence is what's causing it. People always just assumed feminism was about equality, which everyone is for. But now they are seeing what they are really like, which is constantly bitching and putting an ism on just about everything in the book. All the rational men and women are looking what they say and just think, "Hey, that's retarded".

[–]Jovianmoons 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Im saving this to give me hope in the dark times ahead.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what dark times are you speaking of?

[–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have said for a while I think we are winning the intellectual battle. Of course you can't "win" an argument with a feminist but you CAN show that their entire ideology is a mass of contradictions whose only unifying theme is the strengthening of the feminine imperative.

[–]pl231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol "women hit their sexual prime at 35" No, that's just the point where they realize they aren't nearly as attractive as a tight 21 yr old and that they better put out like crazy to make sure they tie down whoever they're with. how was this BS every even produce? A woman at 35 has significantly increased changes for both a) complications for herself during pregnancy b) complications for her child during pregnancy.

I'm not an expert on reproductive endocrinology, but it seems pretty suspect to me that a woman would have a surge in sexual hormones at 35(a physiological cause for the whole "sexual prime at 35" thing), while her body is basically saying that she's too old for a kid and all kinds of significantly increased risk will be present. There's no logical physiological explanation behind it, just the mental one of a woman's fear of not having a provider.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anti-feminist does not mean pro-male. This is just a temporary lapse back into traditionalism, don't be fooled, gynocentricism is stronger than ever at present.

[–]Dreamtrain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TRP is slowly becoming more and more about militant anti-feminism than what it is supposed to be.

[–]deep_anal_thrusts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think that there's two things happening:

  1. There is a backlash against political correctness.
  2. A lot of people are becoming aware of not just how hypocritical feminists are but how damaging their values can be...especially for the young and impressionable

[–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm at a well known college, and we had not one, but two mandatory seminars on sexual violence.

At one point during the event, the hostess asked us all "to stand up if you would intervene if you saw someone trapped in an abusive relationship".

Me, the two guys next to me, and a few other dudes in my line of sight remained sitting.

[–]Hajimotto 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The problem I have with that message is that it is absurdly hard to tell that someone is in an abusive relationship. When my friend was in an abusive relationship I did not know what was occurring until after the relationship stopped.

There are two parts that occur in an abusive relationship to outsiders, the initiation and the withdrawal. During the initiation the abused person changes, however, usually the person is damaged in someway before and the symptoms are getting better because of the abuser. A person that was suicidal and depressed seems to be happy and is going to social events with the abuser. You are happy for your friends because it seems like their life is turning around. Slowly over time you start seeing the two of them less and less but you think it is because they are spending more quality time with each other like every other developing relationship does. Slowly it becomes that you never see this person and you fine with it because life happens and you think that they are happy.

You never hear from the person during the abusive part because the abuser has complete control over the individual; no calls, no texts, no emails, no Facebook messages. They become completely trapped within the cycle of abuse and you have no way of knowing that your friend is in an abusive relationship. As far are you know your friend seemed like they were turning their life around and are developing a healthy relationship. You cannot intervene not because you do not want to help your friend, rather it is impossible for you to know that your friend is in that situation. To suggest that it is a readily present fact suggests that this speaker has a grave misunderstanding of the dynamics of an abusive relationship.

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem I have with it is that adults have the responsibility to take care of their own well being to a reasonable extent. If you're in an abusive relationship, you end it, or get help.

If you don't, that's your fault, end of discussion.

[–]watersign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, people are awakening to the non-sense that feminism is.

[–]infernalsatan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the other hand, what shows up on front page is determined by your subscriptions. If you subscribed to /r/feminism, you may observe something different

[–]NotMeUsee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people are becoming more and more opposed to feminsism. Its wonderful.

[–]Ob1Kn00b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, I don't know if Reddit is becoming opposed to feminists as they are becoming opposed to Tumblr's Social Justice Heroes... And since the SJWs try and shove feminism down people's throats while also shoving triggers and respect for otherkin and whatever else, the message of feminism is muddied by that.

Mind you, I am thoroughly amused by it happening, I'd just say it's less about feminism being bad and more about Reddit circlejerking.

[–]neutralstrike 0 points1 point  (1 child)

After viewing the first video, I've lost a little respect for UofT students.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This type of thread belongs at /r/trpofftopic.

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't make arguments based on gaslighting easily over the internet =/

[–]TK-85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If feminists and/or their allies keep attacking high male demographic escapist industries (NFL, Gaming, Tech) with their hyperbolic nonsense, I can see the possibility of the concepts social/political power getting dropped a few pegs.

[–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I am weary of defining feminism, they are just rebutting man hating and extremism.

Functionally it is basically damage control. antifeminist cleaning up the image exposing straw manning and saving the base.

[–]JoshtheAspie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am weary of defining feminism

Then don't. We've got a good handle on what the pile of filth is.

[–]2asd1100 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually you don't. Equality by parity and identity is unhealthy. And cheering on critics of feminism is just circle jerky and misses the point that the critics are still feminists.