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    [–]HDThoreauaway 28 points29 points  (6 children)

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    an LTR is a closer relationship that calls for more compromise, but men are trained by culture to not compromise, just give in.

    TRP doesn't talk a whole lot about how to effectively compromise, though. I suspect if you posted a thread entitled, "Effective compromising The Red Pill Way," it'd be chock-full of blue arrows in no time.

    [–]cookiecutterbullshit 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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    I think members of TRP are aware of its radical element. By this, I mean, TRP members aren't coming here to learn how to "effective communicate". They're learning when and how to stand their ground.

    TRP advocates some hardball tactics. Members are supposed to recognize when hardball isn't called for.

    It would be like advocating a more liberal use of the impeachment process, or a more restrained and limited use of judicial activism. It's an extreme measure in and of itself, so its avocation is limited to the margins of an existing political equilibrium.

    It would be like advising to a management board of a retail company that they host a huge sale, with 50% of retail prices etc. It's understood that the sale wouldn't last long relative to their normal operation.

    Extreme measures should be used sparingly.

    TRP is a natural reaction to men having lost the right to EVER use hardball tactics. Men are always rewarded for "taking the high road", which used to mean something, but now it just means to take everyone's shit.

    TRP advocates how and when to use extreme measures.

    When it comes to doing effective compromises, I don't know if I would let on that I'm even in a bartering position with a woman. With men, you state your cases and make your points in a normal conversation, listen to theirs, figure out where the solutions are being pointed towards, and then you start bartering. You both start high, and you edge your way to meeting towards the middle.

    I would be hard pressed to attempt this with a woman.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    I think there is some danger in red pill "going mainstream" for this reason. It does have a fight or flight element to it, and I also think it has an intelligence threshold to it also which means there will be plenty of people attempting to swallow it that won't be able to grasp it. My worry is having a new crop of red pillers that don't understand how to pick battles or compromise and then turn into a bunch of hot heads that start fights over people cutting in line at the grocery store because "I don't take shit, I'm alpha"

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 424 points425 points  (177 children)

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    Nominate for post of the week.

    The "alarming" (as the MSM puts it) drop in the American marriage rate is a sign that men are "waking up" at a rate faster than they're finding /r/theredpill or any other part of the manosphere. Feminism and female entitlement have been kicking men in the crotch for the last 40 years. It was only a matter of time before men started revolting.

    I'm just curious how so many women are knowledgeable enough to call it "acting all red pill"; i.e., identifying us by name...it's not like this philosophy gets discussed on daytime talk shows...or does it?

    [–]1Mikesapien 101 points102 points  (3 children)

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    I'm just curious how so many women are knowledgeable enough to call it "acting all red pill"; i.e., identifying us by name...

    Reminds me of a story.

    In 1755, when Samuel Johnson published his Dictionary of the English Language, a group of ladies approached him, congratulating him for his work, and thanking him for not including dirty words, to which he responded, "What? My dears! Then you have been looking them up!" As the story goes, "The ladies, confused at being thus caught, dropped the subject of the dictionary."

    Hill, Norman & Birkbeck, George (Eds).

    Johnsonian Miscellanies, Vol. II.

    London, UK: James Press, 1897. 390.

    [–]LadyLumen 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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    The ironic thing is that the Feminists who criticize TRP on their tumblrs are probably the source of TRP's publicity. I found TRP through a Feminist friend who was complaining about it. From what many other people have said, they did the same thing.

    [–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (2 children)

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    I think any woman who uses reddit and has a boyfriend will blame any change that doesn't positively and completely cater to her as redpill.

    [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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    It has to be SOMEONE's fault, because it sure as hell can't be hers.

    [–]Sturmgeist781 33 points34 points  (0 children)

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    Pretty much SRS and AskReddit subscribers in a nutshell.

    [–]LastRevision 70 points71 points  (11 children)

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    Remember also that pursuing marriage post-wall is a fairly new concept for women. Only 20 year ago this may have meant getting married AT THE WALL (26-30), but recently many women have wanted to postpone marriage to exclusively post-wall territory (32-36). This excludes the men who may have been interested when they were 26-30 and only leaves men whom they feel superior to.

    [–]AnotherLostCause 102 points103 points  (7 children)

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    I think this is at the heart of the problem, the desire to be married passes as men age. Women, however, have been sold on the idea that captain save a hoe billionaire adventurer with sixpack abs is just waiting in the wings. Waiting for that moment when the post wall, post carousel damsel needs to slap on a ring during a thirty thousand dollar wedding and then squeeze out a panic child or two. Women are like children of wealth who get a lump sum check at the age of 18. They blow through their inheritence and suddenly in their mid thirties they find out they are broke, but they still want the lifestyle they had when they were rich.

    [–]temparooney 21 points22 points  (3 children)

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    Men's desire to marry doesn't necessarily pass as they get over 30 or whatever. But they don't have a desire to marry a woman who is as old as they are. Not if they're smart anyway, and are planning kids. Their fertility is still fine, but a woman's expires.

    [–]ButterMyBiscuit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    Women are like children of wealth who get a lump sum check at the age of 18. They blow through their inheritence and suddenly in their mid thirties they find out they are broke, but they still want the lifestyle they had when they were rich.

    Hot damn. I'll commit this to memory, so accurate.

    [–]borderline_sociopath 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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    Women are like children of wealth who get a lump sum check at the age of 18. They blow through their inheritence and suddenly in their mid thirties they find out they are broke, but they still want the lifestyle they had when they were rich.

    This is amazing. Perfect analogy. I see many women around town and at work who were probably pretty damn hot, partying their asses off on Spring Break in Ft Lauderdale in the late 80s. Since reading RP material a few years ago, I started paying more attention to how they acted, and I began to see the sliding scale of wall acceptance.

    Some of these 38-48 year olds were still dressing like they were 25, and were expecting male attention in the form they used to garner. Others seemed resigned to their place in life and seemed to accept that they were less visible to men every day. There was a real sadness about them, both in those still expecting attention and those who have given up.

    [–]DanReggins 35 points36 points  (2 children)

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    only leaves men whom they feel superior to.

    ... and men who can now get someone younger and hotter, or would rather be alone.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

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    Which means that the only ones left are the inferior men.

    [–]zephyrprime 30 points31 points  (6 children)

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    I don't even think that's the case. I think the drop in marriage rate is due to the expanding pool of divorcees. Divorces only started happening at high rates starting in the '70s. The divorce rate has been high (~50%) since then. However, although the divorce rate is high and has been high for a few decades now, the older demographic has still retained a low divorce rate. So when the divorce rate reached 50% in the late 70s, this rate only applied to people newly married and not to people who had already been married for many years. Now, people in their thirties in the late 70's and already outside the danger zone for divorce back then are now about 70 years old. They are starting to die off. That is to say, the entire pool of people not infected by the dysfunctional, poisonous bluepill culture is slowly dying off while the pool of high divorce rate demographics (hippie era and beyond) is slowly taking over the population.

    It's not really due to the redpill. The red pill is still a tiny movement followed by <1% of the population.

    [–]nophoney 37 points38 points  (3 children)

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    Every western male since the 70's has been witness to the previous generation getting screwed over. Two of my three sons have said " We don't need a girl friend they're to expensive." The youngest one has a GF and is perpetually broke.

    [–]AnotherLostCause 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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    There was a very old song my grandfather would sing the chorus of all the time. "When I was single my pockets did jingle. I wish I was single again."

    [–]slcjosh 178 points179 points  (58 children)

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    Anyone who uses reddit knows what people SAY about TRP. They dont know fuckall about TRP, just what someone said in a post.

    [–]Ymeynotu 97 points98 points  (54 children)

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    This times 1000x

    Reddit and the mass herding of jackassery is prevalent beyond all imagination. It blows my mind that people think trp is false. Those that think this way don't know trp and lack life experience. It's the only possible explanation. However some people are also probably engaged in a disinformation campaign to discredit trp for their own nefarious agenda.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 178 points179 points  (34 children)

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    Well you've got an interesting effect happening- people take offense to certain things. They see us recommending alpha behaviors as trying to enforce gender roles- which it isn't. It's us saying "hey we found this works better, give it a try.." not "we need more people to do this, let's force this new behavior on unsuspecting people.."

    Or when we criticize a woman's sexual strategy (she was a slut in her 20s and now can't find a man), they think that we're over here hating women for having sex, but what we're really doing is pointing out that her strategy was bad if her desire was a long-term partner.

    Then they think we're bad for not wanting to date a slut, more hatred, but the reality is, we're only 55,000 people, but that slut who is now husband hunting is realizing that it's not just red pillers, but attractive men in general who aren't that interested in used up goods. Whether we're here to notice it or not is irrelevant, this effect happens.

    So people take offense to these observations we make, because they believe we're doing what they do, which is try to change the world to their own ideals.. instead of what we actually do, which is recognize the world and adapt to it.

    Even with this point I'm trying to make, the direct response of any postmodern blue piller is "What do you mean 'used up goods?'" Vaginas don't just go bad from having sex. You guys are so misogynistic!" They are so hellbent on getting offended that they don't understand the words we use are to convey an idea- not prove it. Of course you're not actually used up. The point is men prefer non-sluts. No, blue pillers will get so caught up on the language they'll miss the forest for the trees every time.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 94 points95 points  (2 children)

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    They are so hellbent on getting offended

    Some people are too dumb to learn, and some are too smart. The three most dangerous words you can tell yourself are “I know that” because when you’re too smart to learn, you’ll dismiss the power of ideas and fail to implement anything.

    One of the traps people fall into is confirmation bias - only seeking validation for what they already know and do. The eyes only see and the ears only hear what the mind is looking for.

    blue pillers will get so caught up on the language...

    My wife is like this. She's incredibly sensitive to the emotional impact of words. I like going for maximum impact, because the last thing you want to be is boring. But sometimes she responds as if the words jumped off the page and slapped her in the face.

    Bluepillers have become ladylike in their sensitivity to language, political correctness and concern over appearing judgmental. Our straight talk sounds hostile to their delicate ears.

    [–]TasmanianTigerBlues 50 points51 points  (1 child)

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    I love this. People are getting so fucking soft. Just to talk straight with someone causes them to think you're a sexist, politically incorrect asshole. It shows how much they've been conditioned to reel back in terror when they hear ideas that don't align with their own. I love getting down to the nitty gritty and talking about real shit with people, but so many can't stand it. They don't realize it's actually because they're afraid to face the truth, all thanks to societal programming.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 28 points29 points  (10 children)

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    They see us recommending alpha behaviors as trying to enforce gender roles-

    That's just it. If women adhered to gender roles, there would be no need for TRP. Things would still be like it was in the old days, where women sought providership as a primary driver in mate selection. They sought a balance in a/b traits. But now, they want pure A-traits, because they can satisfy providership on their own now. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And TRP is the direct reaction to modern day feminism and egalitarianism.

    Feminism changed the playing field, but at the same time is also trying to insist men still play by the old rules. They know that if every man on earth was wise to TRP, there would be a dry supply of thirsty simps waiting to cuckold their alpha babies when they hit the wall.

    [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (4 children)

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    I think it's actually a bit the other way around. I believe that any time a society - any society - reaches a certain level of safety and wealth then decadent behavior from anyone who can afford to do it will appear.

    Women are of course the leaders in this regard but I highly doubt that women in the 1700s, 1100s or Antiquity would have behaved much differently if given the chance like modern women have. Hypergamy doesn't care, and the sheer amount of largess that the modern West has to throw around means that women face little consequence for their actions.

    Traditional society's rules were invented precisely because women's default is unlimited Hypergamy.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 27 points28 points  (3 children)

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    Traditional society's rules were invented precisely because women's default is unlimited Hypergamy.

    Slut shaming. If women in the middle ages behaved like the women today do, they'd be cast out of society and left to starve at best, or executed at worst. Society cannot survive in the throes of unchecked hypergamy, and I think modern western culture today is about where the Roman Empire was in the twilight of its existence. "All roads led to Rome", people were fucking like rabbits, and society got drunk on it's own wealth and success. Wait a minute, that sounds familiar...

    [–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 42 points43 points  (1 child)

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    During the decline of the Roman Empire:

    "The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome." -Sir John Glubb

    Taken from p. 15 here: http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

    Much more afterwards. I urge everyone read it.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    "The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome." -Sir John Glubb

    Taken from p. 15 here: http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

    Much more afterwards. I urge everyone read it.

    Good find ♂

    [–]FollowerOfLight 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana

    Forgive me for waxing perhaps too philosophical, but one of my biggest frustrations with humans (including myself) is that we refuse to admit our stupid tendencies to fall to the worst we can possibly be. No one gets better by not trying or by embracing who they are: I only become a better person by working my butt off and not liking what I see in the mirror.

    [–]through_a_ways 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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    For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And TRP is the direct reaction to modern day feminism and egalitarianism.

    Value, value, value. Women want value.

    Women are more inherently valuable than men, with everything else held constant. A woman as a very limited reproductive potential, PLUS she has to gestate the baby. The male is hitching a free ride when he has kids.

    Of course, nothing is without an equal and opposite reaction, and because sexual reproduction advantages males more, the following evolved:

    • high male sex drive (because they have nothing to lose in reproduction)
    • female hypergamy (beacuse they have everything to lose)

    Since women are inherently higher value, a man has to be higher value than the woman in order to equalize a relationship. In the past, this was easy: men accumulated the resources. Women couldn't. Thus, the genders were equal.

    1st world living comes around, and women can access resources without marrying men. In other words, women have the same status and financial ability as men. They have fewer men to "marry up" to now. Hypergamy is harder for women to accomplish, which makes them shun the bulk of men, which means sex is harder for men to accomplish.

    Feminism undermines women's natural drive (hypergamy) which in turn undermines men's (sexual intercourse)

    What TRP does is counter this. Devalue women by not validating them (until they validate you). Female devaluation means hypergamy can be achieved again, and both genders are happier to show for it.

    [–]the99percent1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    They know that if every man on earth was wise to TRP, there would be a dry supply of thirsty simps waiting to cuckold their alpha babies when they hit the wall.

    QFT.

    If every man is well versed in TRP, how would they differentiate the low value men from the high values ones? It will be impossible!

    That's what offends them the most. That alpha traits can be assimilated and learnt.That their dream high value man can be taught and mastered.

    It offends them that low value men can improve their situation if they swallowed trp.

    [–]vaker 43 points44 points  (11 children)

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    you're not actually used up

    Multiple partners do take a toll on women psychologically. They become less able to function in a monogamous relationship. There is data showing correlation (and likely causation) between high partner count of women and the lack of stability of their (late) marriages.

    Physically they also collect various viruses, herpes, whatnot leading to potentially less healthy children.

    So yes, they do get used up in a broad sense of the word.

    What sane male needs all this?

    [–]temparooney 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    They object to the very idea of avoiding sluts.

    They object to the very idea of avoiding single moms.

    Saying these things brings out a lot of abuse from them. They can't quite say we don't have a right to our preferences, but they can call them misogynistic.

    Hey I like vaginas (i.e. am not misogynistic.) I just like them not-used-up. And I don't want to raise another man's kid.

    And if they hate that, they are entitled their hatred. Just as I am entitled to my preferences.

    [–]TasmanianTigerBlues 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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    So people take offense to these observations we make, because they believe we're doing what they do, which is try to change the world to their own ideals.. instead of what we actually do, which is recognize the world and adapt to it.

    Very well said. Someone once said (paraphrasing) that the things you don't like about someone are the things you don't like about yourself. I think this idea works with what you pointed out. Everything else you said was great too. I'm new to these theories so at first I was very confused and slightly offended by this sub, but the more I hear perspectives like this, the more it actually aligns with my gut feelings about who I am and the world around me. I actually find myself (in the occult saying) "rejoicing in the laughter of wisdom", where I find my being actually more at peace, more aware, and more happy and confident when I stop resisting these ideas that are already inherent in me. I literally start laughing when I think about them because of how true they are, and that helps me disillusion myself from my lifelong conditioning.

    I'm planning on writing a post on here about the parallels of occult and metaphysical ideas, red pill concepts, and conspiracy theories regarding feminism, the new world order and the balance of female and male energies. I don't know what the mods will think of that, but my intention is to point out the need to exercise our true masculine energy, and to understand and empathize with what we're up against regarding the oppression of men (and women, which I'll explain in the post) in order to transcend it.

    [–]an0n4btc 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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    I'd find that interesting, just try to tie in the financial angle as well. How women entering the workforce has shifted employment dynamics and less men are as successful in the workforce than previously.

    One of my theories is that when men become so unsuccessful in the workforce (and ultimately in other financial matters, noting the increase in years of work required to pay off the median mortgage) they lose the drive towards success in other areas of their lives, hence the increase in bad relationships and divorce (because they developed a behavior of settling for second best, and the women walking out on them when the men here go deep blue pill) and even more men leaving the reservation (mothers basement dwellers happy with porn, junk food and the latest video game).

    It simply became more prevalent because the job market hasn't grown fast enough to accumulate the historically abnormal influx of employee candidates created when women entered the workforce en masse (example 9 jobs for every 10 people turned into the same amount of jobs for 20 people).

    Not to discourage those that remain/return to the 'nest' (where possible) since it was traditionally the norm that a home would be shared by multiple generations of the same family. Ultimately the 'shaming' of that is another tool in the financial business arsenal to game more people into debtors slavery (the paycheck lifestyle to pay off the mortgage).

    That went longer than I intended but yeah, I think your topics would make an interesting post.

    [–]Pentdad 40 points41 points  (6 children)

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    Very true, shown recently by the kid who went on the rampage in LA. I saw numerous posts in other subs about how he was part of a red pill sexist evil clan and whatnot, when in fact he was the very opposite of what red pill is all about. I reiterate- he was the very opposite.

    [–]Ymeynotu 31 points32 points  (2 children)

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    I graduated from ucsb so I am very aware of this tragic event.

    The guy even lived on the same cross-streets as me! crazy!

    I got 15 down votes in this sub for mentioning how BP he was.

    He was total BP. Nothing at all RP about him whatsoever.

    [–]sithman25 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    The reason why he is BP is that instead of realizing his failures as HIS fault he blames the world.

    [–]frazzleddd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    He was dedicated to a forum called PUAHATE. It doesn't get much more anti-redpill than that

    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    He was actually a very frequent visitor of PUAHate.com.

    I don't see the logic when he's made out to be RP. He hated the guts of people like us. I don't doubt if he knew for sure experienced successful redpillers, they would have been targets for him.

    [–]TattedGuyser 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Well this is exactly it, feminism conditioned him to believe that if he was nice, bought things for girls, treated them like royalty, etc, etc then he would have the woman of his dreams. Seeing as he had money and came from a very wealthy background, he also felt entitled to this, nothing we say here ever gives anyone the idea they are entitled to anything in life. Everyone must earn what they get and it's extremely important to do so.

    [–]Humankeg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    People that ignorantly refute trp usually are one of two things: a bitch that doesn't want her good life to change, or a pussy that has had very little to no experience in a relationship he is actually happy in because he is too desperate to have someone.

    Its amazing that so few women believe in the concept that 10% of males sleep with 90% of women (numbers are arbitrary) and that the 10% of guys generally lean towards trip behavior.

    [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (8 children)

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    Naw dude were totally all neckbeards who never get laid and who hate women, there's no way in an advance society someone can have a RP like mentality, impossible!

    [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 51 points52 points  (1 child)

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    I always chuckle when people say "LOL those TRPers are just a bunch of 'nice guys' who are sad that they're in the friendzone and think that being nice means women owe them sex."

    If they'd spent 2 seconds in this sub, they'd know that no one laughs at friendzoned nice guys more than us. The only thing Redditors actually know about us is what others have told them to believe, because most Redditors need to have others do their thinking for them.

    [–]temparooney 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    Well we laugh in a way. But we also provide advice, real usable advice on getting out of fz, moving on, getting to a better place.

    And that's what some women really hate. The guys are becoming uncontrollable.

    [–]FrontTooth 20 points21 points  (5 children)

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    Dont forget the misogyny!

    [–]slcjosh 40 points41 points  (2 children)

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    I love how being masculine, physically fit, and stoic is considered misogynistic in todays society.

    [–]colovick 26 points27 points  (1 child)

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    Yes... Holding women accountable for their actions and treating them like they can make their own decisions is totally the same as woman hating

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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    Expecting women to take responsibility along with the benefits is misogynistic.

    [–]DannyDemotta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    I've heard this place mentioned negatively several times in TumblrInAction posts - as if it's OK to mock these Tumblr/Feminazi attitudes, but doing the reverse (inverse?) - being proactive with your life - is somehow shameful.

    Subbed to both - no idea how to make my life and relationships better by reading TiA, but getting a much better idea being around these parts.

    [–]bitchdantkillmyvibe 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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    You know what I find fucking HILARIOUS about people who slander TRP? Everytime in a thread linking to us or one of our posts, the top comment is always some faggot going "Wow, I tried to read that, but I couldn't get past the first sentence because I was laughing too much, lolololol". Well, yeah, you just proved your own ignorance right there cunt, you read the first sentence and now you think you're allowed to have a fully-formed opinion of us? Go fuck yourself. As you said, people know JACKSHIT about this place.

    [–]MrMagwitch 32 points33 points  (0 children)

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    .

    [–]CarpeDiem807 41 points42 points  (66 children)

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    I think that's a sentiment a bit generous to the significance of red pill thinking as a philosophical movement. The value of marriage has dropped collectively in the minds of men for all sorts of reasons.

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      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 105 points106 points  (30 children)

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      Just look at any female online dating profile, and all you'll see are statements like "what I'm looking for" and "I need someone who is like this" or "you must be at least xyz height to pass go" - you'll never see anyone who has anything to offer or give.

      I was thinking of starting a list of the platitudes and vapid phrases commonly found on the modern woman's online dating profile. Stuff like:

      • "I like to have fun" - no shit, bitch, who the hell doesn't like to have fun?
      • "I like to travel" - translated, "I like to get laid in strange places with strange men without consequence
      • "I'm tired of the games" - translated "I'm post wall and I want my beta bux"
      • "I'm career oriented" - oh, what a treat. I have to listen to you yammer about your job that I don't give a shit about

      and the all-time champion:

      • "I'm a single mother and you have to accept that my child comes FIRST." - actually, no, bitch. I don't have to accept anything, especially your Fuck Trophy from your Alpha Fux days. You can accept something though...spinsterhood.

      [–]1Jaereth 66 points67 points  (6 children)

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      I've been using the internet for 15 years, and been a member of various different online communities since day 1.

      Never, ever, have I received more harassment from total strangers, then when I put "I don't date girls with kids" in a dating profile a few years ago.

      They just couldn't seem to understand why I would immediately disqualify them for that... Society is almost to the point where raising another mans kids is the norm, no the exception. Sad really.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 36 points37 points  (1 child)

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      I actually have a username on a certain site that basically says "NoSingleMothers"...not that exactly, but close. I do it for comic relief for the sassy-mouth messages I get about it. Pure amusement.

      [–]enticingasthatmaybe 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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      Even better is to do that while also actively stating that you have a kid. Hamster faints.

      [–]1kick6 27 points28 points  (0 children)

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      They just couldn't seem to understand why I would immediately disqualify them for that

      Of course they can't understand. They've been cheerleaded to believe that being a single mom is heroic. I mean, what guy WOULDN'T want to be with a heroic woman, right? right? ........guys?

      [–]MrMagwitch 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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      .

      [–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (16 children)

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      I was thinking of starting a list of the platitudes and vapid phrases commonly found on the modern woman's online dating profile.

      "I'm not looking for sex or a one night stand" - I have had way too much sex with random dudes, so I feel guilty, but I will still have sex or a one night stand if you are attractive/alpha

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 57 points58 points  (6 children)

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      lol I forgot that one. "If you're looking for an easy lay just keep moving".

      And then you easily move into her panties. They're all sluts for the right guy.

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        [–]1BaltoSquadGuy 46 points47 points  (1 child)

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        "I don't need a relationship to complete my life right now and I'm looking for someone in a similar situation. " - Translation: "ALL. OF. THE. DICKS. In and around my mouth, vagina, and anus"

        Anytime you see the "I don't put out on the first date" or "I'm not into one night stands", you should perk up. It's like a girl saying "you are NOT sleeping with me tonight"

        Bitch, why you talking about sex already?

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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        Holy shit that was hilarious.

        [–]enticingasthatmaybe 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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        I actually actively look for that statement on a decent looking gal's profile. Then I'm like aww yiss

        [–]1kick6 18 points19 points  (2 children)

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        "I'm not looking for sex or a one night stand" - I have had way too much sex with random dudes, so I feel guilty, but I will still have sex or a one night stand if you are attractive/alpha

        I hate seeing this on Tinder. In my head I'm all "bitch, this is a fucking hook up app! You are looking for a boyfriend at the damn one night stand store! WTF are you thinking!?

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        Really, I think it's more of a shit test, albeit, an unintentional one. I just agree and amplify like I would to any shit test. "Oh you don't want sex? Good, neither do I, I'm a choir boy and a virgin."

        [–]1kick6 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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        I think it's pre-emptive ASD hamsterbation. "Well I said in my hook-up app profile that my special unicorness wasn't looking for a hookup, but we totally fucked on the first date...but I said I wasn't LOOKING for a hookup, 'it just happened'"

        Boom magically not a slut.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 19 points20 points  (1 child)

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        • "I'm looking for a family-oriented guy." - I popped out a few babies by a few different alpha men and now I'm looking for a provider to raise them and someone for them to call "daddy" because my looks are fading and I can't find a good paying job with my Women's Studies degree.

        • <blank profile, pics only> - I'm an attention whoring slut who hasn't hit the wall yet, and I can still get by on my looks alone. I have nothing intelligent to say because I'm a vapid, mindless, walking pussy. Just look at my tits, tee hee

        [–]tsudonimh 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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        "I'm looking for a family-oriented guy"

        Sweet! I have a family in the Orient!

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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        • "I'm a huge animal lover." - I'm already getting accustomed to the idea of buying my first cat.

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        "Made this as a joke" or "not taking this seriously at all" - I am taking this seriously and if you are attractive, I will still meet up with you. I have low self-esteem and/or I'm worried I will be called out by friends/orbiters if they find out I have this.

        [–]1BaltoSquadGuy 30 points31 points  (3 children)

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        "I'm laid back and down to Earth." - I contribute nothing to society other than a rapidly loosening vagina and collapsing nipple line. Also, I would struggle to locate our current city on a map.

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          [–]10J18R1A 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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          "Loves to laugh"

          Myself, I like to laugh. And laugh I did at "fuck trophy ".

          If you'll notice, a lot of online profiles from women read as job postings.

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          Yup. I love reading Tinder profiles, just for the serious lulz. The best are the fat chicks who write shit like "Need a REAL man who will wine and dine me. Must be at least 6'1."

          Where do these women get off thinking that by merely having a vagina, they are in a position to pick and choose who is worthy of them? Why would a young, good looking, in shape, man even bother with these women? Most women have nothing to offer, expect the world, and bash people like RPers for criticizing their flawed logic.

          [–]JohnPeel 34 points35 points  (3 children)

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          The psychology is a bit more complicated, I'll try to explain.

          These women are so unattractive no one would fuck them anyway. They could put "will date anybody" on their profile and still get (figuratively) shafted. Or at the very least the type of person who would want to date them is also hideous.

          Instead they hamster away the fact they are hideously unattractive by pretending to have high standards. In both cases they're still not finding a partner but in the latter case the hamster is saved from meltdown.

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          The thing is, many very low SMV beta guys are actually so desperate, that they might try to fuck these girls. Problem is, these guys don't fit the description of what is on the fat slob's profile. Therefore, they don't even try.

          I always hear women preach about men needing to lower their standards if they want a "real" woman. But what do these "real" women do? Exponentially raise their standards, of course! And that is why ugly beta dudes don't ever get laid. Because even unbelievablely ugly chicks have artificially raised their standards to the point where it doesn't match up with their real SMV.

          [–]1whatsazipper 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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          They're taking women by their words, at face-value. Women say all sorts of things that can be safely discarded in the trash.

          [–]RedFlagsAreGood 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          Just look at any female online dating profile, and all you'll see are statements like "what I'm looking for" and "I need someone who is like this" or "you must be at least xyz height to pass go" - you'll never see anyone who has anything to offer or give.

          Actually, I see something to offer or give quite often....on scammer profiles.

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 67 points68 points  (21 children)

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          at a rate faster than they're finding /r/theredpill or any other part of the manosphere

          That's what I meant by this statement. There are plenty of ancillary reasons for the drop in the marriage rate. But I surmise that central among them is guys talking to other guys who are getting divorce raped in court, or are generally miserable in their marriage to entitled wives who are "empowered" with "you go gurrrlllll" bitchy attitudes.

          At a wide-angle lens view, the central crumbling of marriage and society as a whole can be attributed to societal demands that men uphold the same end of their bargain that they've been upholding since the 1950's, but giving women passes (like the feminizing of men, skewed family law courts, /r/pussypass, etc) that allow them to diminish the value men present to our society. Men are looking around, literally saying "why the fuck am I doing this?", and checking out in more ways than one.

          [–]jacobman 19 points20 points  (16 children)

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          I wish someone would do a good study on divorce court and family law. One thing that I want answered is about custody. It turns out if you look at the cases, men that pursue custody win equally as often as women. The problem is that men pursue custody at a much much much smaller rate than women. Often they just settle out of court. This leaves three questions in my mind.

          1) Do the cases that are pursued have much better evidence for the man than the women, since they are a select few. Aka, should the men that are pursuing actually be winning more than 50%?

          2) Are so many men not pursuing custody because of a misguided fear that they can't win, or are men not pursuing custody because they have been informed from people with experience and real knowledge that their chances are slim?

          3) Are there other laws that make it more likely that the man won't have a good case such as automatically giving the baby to the women early on or something similar?

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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          1) Generally speaking, men will only pursue if they have something rock solid to hold against the woman, such as health, mental illness, substance abuse and abuse of the child. In no fault cases, women generally file if they think in general they'll win custody.

          2) It's a bit of both. A lot of it is sheer luck of the draw with judges, and knowing it's a crapshoot between one judge who will listen and another who won't scares a LOT of men. That said, if you luck out with a judge that has a rep of being biased against men having custody, why file?

          3) There are efforts to make it so that custody defaults to split so that a woman will be forced to make their case. It's increased the number of split custody cases, but women still win much more often, as these laws slowly spread throughout the states. Also, with women gaining more high profile jobs, it ups the chances for a man. Say if a woman is a high powered lawyer and her husband is a teacher, the husband actually has good odds of winning custody in court ceteris parabis.

          Here are a couple of useful links for more reading:

          http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010fall/econ/586/001/Readings/Brinig.pdf

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3347912/

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 16 points17 points  (7 children)

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          I think it's a fear that if they even try to pursue the children, the wife will divorce rape him even harder than she was already planning to do.

          i.e., "Don't fight me for the kids, and I'll settle for $500/month alimony. But if you drag this out by suing for custody, I'll make sure my lawyer takes you for all she can."

          And the threat is valid, because there are far, far more divorce lawyers that represent women than represent men, at least in my region. And the ones that do represent men don't tend to be as aggressive, presumably because society frowns upon the 'big bad lawyer man' bullying the poor, poor woman. A man crying in court would look ridiculous, but nobody bats an eye as a divorcing wife sobs on the stand about "emotional abuse" and how the man was "distant".

          My last LTR was a divorcee, and I would actually listen to the way the female lawyer would talk about her ex-husband. Vicious bitch.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 25 points26 points  (6 children)

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          Yeah, you're close to the mark here, but you're also forgetting a huge reason why men don't go after custody - its very very expensive.

          I spent about $50K on my divorce and got my ass handed to me. I could not overcome the false accusations - and my judge is female. The blatant double standards were mind boggling.

          I challenged for custody and then chose to withdraw my suit, because my ex threatened to put both my kids on the stand. If I would have gone the distance, the total bill would have easily eclipsed $100K. I can't lie - that was part of the decision to withdraw, but the kids testifying is what did it.

          I didn't want my children to grow up with the memory that they had to testify in a divorce case against one of their parents. That was just a line I did not want to cross. Not just that, but my ex called DCF (Department of Children and Families) 3 times with 5 charges - all unfounded - to try to have me put in jail. My attorney told me that if my ex managed to successfully manipulate the children into testifying abuse I would stand a very real chance of going to prison.

          My ex is a manipulative sociopath who would do anything to win. I can't trust that there is a line she wouldn't cross - because there is no line with her. There literally is no lie heinous enough that she wouldn't tell - if she perceived a benefit in telling it. In the end it just wasn't worth it. The conflict was doing harm to my kids. I had to withdraw from their lives for their own sake. On top of all this, my kids were getting older and both are now teenagers. They have completely bought into mom's alienation and think I'm the worst person in the world. They were actively disrespecting me, my wife and my parents and there was nothing I could do to discipline them that wouldn't have resulted in another visit from DCF investigators. So I'm estranged from both my kids from wife #1. They aren't going to be able to have a relationship with me until their mother wants them to (while they are still minors).

          If a woman has the will, she can make custody a very difficult thing to get.

          Don't for an instant ever think "I'll just go for custody" like it's going to be no big deal - and that you actually stand a good chance of winning. If you threaten to take away the gravy train they think they are entitled to - expect them to throw an epic tantrum.

          Some women see value in having a father in their children's lives, others don't. If you are about to get divorced and your (soon to be ex) wife is one of the latter, then the conflict itself will become something that hurts the kids. Some women have a heart and a conscience and others don't. When they don't - they can really fuck your life up and the kids lives in pursuit of what they believe they are entitled to - and there is little or nothing in place to prevent them.

          So I would say that in the small amount of cases where the man goes for custody it's probably a combination of factors - the man perceives some issue with mom having custody, mom has some life management issues and probably most of all - the guy knows his wife isn't a raging psycho turbo cunt willing to set fire to everyone's lives to get her way.

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            [–]ShowMeYourCat 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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            So true. I lived by my mother until I became 12. She talked shit about him every fucking day. As soon as I was able to think freely I went to my father whom fought for me the past 12 years. Best day of my life. My mother is one of this bitches that noticed in their mid 30. that she has no money anymore. She also got all the money from my father and did not spend even a single coin for me. I sometimes did not even have food while I lifed with her because she spend everything for fucking hollydays. I'm now 23 and met her several times since. (maybe 5 times not more) and every time she started with some bullshit; how it was not her fault but my fathers. She also does not work for much money so she has not to pay a single cent on me. Fucked up person...

            I hope I can win at court in 30 years so I have not to pay a single euro for her the day she might need money because she got old.

            Sorry for my bad english. I hope you got what I tried to say. :)

            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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            You're not the only one to end up in a DCF office. Long story short, one day I put my GF's daughter in her room for acting out like a wildebeest; arms and legs flailing, screaming, yelling, "you're not my Dad", etc, etc...I carried her into her bedroom, and while flailing, she knocked her leg onto the frame of the bedroom door.

            The very next day, she went to the school counselor and told them that I "put a bruise on her leg". The school calls the local sheriff's office, and the next thing I know, I'm being summoned for questioning at the DCF office 5 miles from my house. NEVER AGAIN will I date a woman with kids. NEVER. Guys...don't do it.

            [–]ArcadeGoon 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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            The man has to pay his court costs. (has a job) The woman gets free legal aid. (welfare)

            The legal aid should be free for both parties. I have a job, but that doesn't mean I can pay $5000-$50,000 for lawyers.

            There also seems to be an unwritten law that females default as better parents than men.

            [–]temparooney 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            Yes I read about a new female judge in family court who was treating men and women equally. She was hispanic, I think, from a culture that doesn't idolize women.

            She got talked to by the senior judges and told that they way they did it was to default to the woman. She complied.

            I read this in a major newspaper a few years ago.

            [–]uncletom40 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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            The feminists here in Australia thought up a way to get around the fact that if you don't choose to get married a cunt can't steal half your shit. After 9 months living together you are automatically treated the exact same as a married couple for property division purposes.

            You can't even get out of it by signing a contract.

            [–]captshady 45 points46 points  (6 children)

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            I don't know that they're waking up so much as they have just been pushed too far. Somewhat collectively, woman have banded together to shame men for being men. "Be more sensitive," they started with, "share your feelings," and "share in the house work" (which really meant "do more than half"). Doing manly shit is scorned, save sports. The term "muscle head," "gym rat," or "lunk" wasn't coined by men. It was coined by women. They were the first to make fun of the very fit man that spent time in a gym. The whole "rape culture" thing is a result of a real issue, that got pushed and shamed further. All the way to the point of people getting disciplined at their jobs for looking at a female in a way that made her feel "uncomfortable."

            Shit, hunting is a dying sport. Every sport with physical contact gets new rules, toning it down with every passing year.

            All male clubs are shunned, and sued while there's an increase in female only gyms, clubs, and so on.

            Genderless bathrooms are increasing each year. Imagine how much you'll be shamed, once that becomes the norm! They'll be offended by you standing up to take a piss!

            They just can't take it anymore, men are tired of being shamed for being men. Men didn't dig this hole, women did.

            Off topic, but if you feel like a estrogen filled bitch, you need to lift heavy. Fuck lifting "to get tone", lift to get STRONG. Don't make cardio a main focus on your fitness regimen, make it ancillary. CELEBRATE being a fucking man. Go spear fishing. Kill for your food, at least once in your life. Go build something, restore a car, shave with a straight razor, REFUSE to be forced into being a female with a dick.

            [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (5 children)

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            Women are the socially hooked in sex, far more than men. When men start acting a certain way, women all know and they know fast. I am always amazed how certain buzz words (like 'redpill') spread like wildfire among feminine circles. A good example is the 'where have all the good men gone' idea, you can talk about that with every woman there is, they all know that there are fewer 'good' men out there. They lack specifics on the idea of course, but they all have something to say about how bad it is. Like with Redpill, they might not know what it is exactly, but they'll know to oppose it.

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            My sister in-law was on this ''5-year plan''. She wanted to date a guy for 3 years, get married in 4 years, and have a child in 5. Apparently, she isn't the only female to feel this way. That, to me, makes it more pathetic.

            Her ''plan'' worked. She married this guy who is good looking and very smart but I guess he's insecure. Her husband is the biggest pussy I think I've ever met. He can't say no, to a woman who still to this day lies to him and may still be cheating. I am pretty sure he should know about it...Her child may or may not be her husband's. Still, he acts, and desperately tries to be, the alpha male that TRP has become. He is so blindsided by her manipulations that are only validated by her female parts, it seems.

            [–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (7 children)

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            reading some bullshit online that told him how his relationship ought to be, then trying to implement it.

            Ah, yes, this is the epitome of double standards for women these days.

            [–]eccentricrealist 67 points68 points  (2 children)

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            "BUT COSMO SAYS TO..."

            [–]1Mikesapien 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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            Fist him with a jelly-covered avocado?

            [–]Sturmgeist781 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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            http://youtu.be/ymNdfdQvdVc?t=1m41s

            It's amazing how many women read that trash.

            [–]MrEpicwill 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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            To be fair, that's kinda how TRP works too. Though, our advice isn't bullshit 90% of the time.

            [–]homosexualsaipian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            isn't that why it's called double standard. when they do it, it's completely good. when redpill does it, misogyny omfg.

            [–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (19 children)

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            Awesome post. I seriously wish I could direct this post to everyone who has decided that I've become an asshole since I swallowed the pill, both men and women alike.

            I've lost multiple male "friends" (I put that in quotations because they obviously aren't real friends) over the past 6+ months because I decided to pull my head out of my ass and become a better man. I've no longer become an emotional punching bag for girls I once orbited. Of course, I'm considering an asshole for these "heinous crimes." But I'm thriving. Why? Because for once in my life I've taken control of my situation. And I owe that to TRP

            [–]1Jaereth 83 points84 points  (8 children)

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            The men are just the worst. I cringe inside so hard whenever I hear them just following the script society has forced down their throat.

            I was at a game store one night talking to some of the guys there. I told my friend when I got home from work, my girlfriend had dinner made and my laundry done, and told me to go have a good time playing cards and to "come to bed" when I got home.

            Another one of the guys there chimed in and said "Holy shit dude, you better marry her!" He was just so amazed that I had a girl that would do some work around the house, not be controlling of my time and gladly let me go pursue my hobbies, and still be excited to have sex with me when I come home.

            I've found it's useless to try to share red pill truths with guys until they go look for it themselves, so i've given up on that. I just look at them and shrugged and said "Isn't that how relationships are supposed to be?"

            [–]Kaltano 48 points49 points  (4 children)

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            Sometimes you can drop a bomb on them if you see the right opening. A friend was self analyzing himself and shared it with me (this dude is the fucking king of oversharing) he was commenting on the fact that he wants a relationship but every time he starts to get close to a girl in a significant way he gets scared and pulls back.

            I immediately fired off what I thought was obvious, "Maybe you just think a relationship is what you want but your subconscious knows what you really want is someone to fuck regularly." He stared at me wide eyed for a moment and responded with a, "huh!" that made it clear that he'd never considered that what he thinks he wants might not actually be what he wants.

            [–]1Jaereth 29 points30 points  (3 children)

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            Exactly. That's the script that's forced on us in all manner of media. You're lucky if a girl dates you. You're getting lucky if she has sex with you. Then you get married and that's the dream.

            Just reading some stuff and analyzing it from the point of "why am I putting women on a pedestal" alone was enough to turn my stomach and decide to do things my own way.

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            I have a friend who I hardly ever associate with anymore because he "got lucky" and is dating a pretty attractive girl, who has him absolutely whipped. I just look at his life now and the way he's been conned, and I must admit, I feel good about it, as shitty as that may sound. I can see straight through the bullshit and I know exactly how its going to end. You think this guy will ever listen to a bit of advice from me? Hell no. I hear his GF talk about how so-and-so is "hot" and when so-and-so does something it's "hot." And my buddy never gets these compliments. Yet he still buys her shit, surrenders his independence in favor of her demands, and kisses her ass. Why? Because he is "lucky" to have her

            [–]jjshinobi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            // somewhat of a platitude based response / train of thought

            What would you tell him to prove that he is not lucky to have her? You would ask him what justify's him to put her on a pedestal, or what formula he uses to derive her worth. Something like that right? People like your ex-friend buy into the inflated value that their SO's parents install in them. "My daughter deserves a man who can buy her a BMW. (I took her out to various vacation spots, continuously bought her the latest dress, shoes, dines, and instilled a sense of entitlement)."

            His answer would be along the lines that he believes in the experiences of people and how that shapes their personality, how it's love / ignorance / bliss /escapism. These things are justifiable and can be goal worthy. Some people just want a dependent person as a spouse; another mother-like micro-manager. The definition of a princess, or a queen. This is also justifiable, as "men should only bow down to their queen". Make sacrifices on a "I give more sometimes and you give more sometimes" kind of scale.

            Making him, or anyone, figure out why he's not treating his spouse like an equal should not be your concern. He clearly does not want to be in control of his life, and neither does anyone else who accepts the whims and irrational demands of females. If a person believes the psychological abuse is justifiable, than he must be getting something out of the relationship. The core problem with people accepting RP philosophy, is that they can't accept that some men have a higher sex drive that request not to be micro-managed because of a poorly designed contract, and that men want to improve themselves without being lagged by illogical commitments. They know most people here want to legalize prostitution and restructure the marriage system. The problem is, just like the Occupy movement and such, they see people complain and provide no clear direct, sidebar linked solutions or seriously think that's how relationships are "supposed" to be.

            What I like about TRP is that every time I come here, I learn something new in the topic of self-worth and self-entitlement. Which activates my own hypergamous intentions.

            [–]1exit_sandman 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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            I just look at them and shrugged and said "Isn't that how relationships are supposed to be?"

            That's the problem. Now I don't condone turning GFs into stepford smilers or fulltime houswives, but we have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that it's totally backward having the female partner doing domestic chores and progressive if the male part does them, that it certainly might appear as odd - or at least odd to mention it in conversation.

            [–]vaker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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            we have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that ... progressive if the male part does them

            But that's what it is - progressive idiocy. Traditional gender roles (that actually work) are not 'progressive'.

            Progressives 'know better' than thousands of years of social evolution that converged on those traditions...

            [–]slcjosh 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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            See the key words right there? "I've taken control". Everything seems to fall into place once you take control in every aspect of your life.

            [–]1whatsazipper 25 points26 points  (2 children)

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            "Asshole" and "douchebag" seem to be applied to me when I don't comply with someone else's expectations, and instead defer to my own. What a horrible crime, eh?

            [–]1iluminatiNYC 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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            Be glad you got such people out of your life. Unfortunately, controlling types get upset whenever you put up boundaries. :)

            [–]RedEcstasy 143 points144 points  (27 children)

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            The thing is many men enjoy being sweet, sensitive and many other beta traits, it isn't just the way they were raised. They aren't unhappy because of that, they're unhappy because they are not being rewarded for it. They are unhappy because despite doing and being everything they believe women would want, they're being rejected or cuckolded. They too try to self improve. But after a lifetime of people and media telling them beta traits are what women want, they improve in the wrong direction. Even those who are living the "happy life" (and only because they don't know about the alpha fux his gf is probably getting from the side) do not take long in noticing how their friends and acquaintances are getting divorce-raped. Even the most deluded fool can see that they too thought it could never happen to them.

            If they talk about it, they get called shitlords and quite possibly ostracized from their social groups. So they go to only place left where a man can have an opinion without being supressed by political correctness.

            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 145 points146 points  (18 children)

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            The thing is many men enjoy being sweet, sensitive and many other beta traits, it isn't just the way they were raised. They aren't unhappy because of that, they're unhappy because they are not being rewarded for it.

            I think we're all a little sad that the world doesn't work the logical and sensible way it ought to. It still surprises me. Not a day goes by when I don't "go all Red Pill" on my wife, half-expecting divorce papers the next morning, and end up getting my brains fucked out. It's totally stupid that this shit works. Totally stupid. Unbelievable. I can't believe the world works this way instead of the way that makes sense.

            And if you dare to point it out -- if you dare to say, "I went out of my way doing X, Y, and Z for a girl I liked, and she didn't even thank me," you'll be lambasted.

            "OMG! If you only did that hoping to be recognized and thanked for it, you aren't nice at all! You're a shitlord! How dare you expect sex and romance from a woman who doesn't owe you anything! She has the right to reject you! You think you can buy sex with niceness! You're a misogynist!!"

            Yes, that's right. The nice guys trying to be perfect boyfriend material are the misogynists.

            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 77 points78 points  (2 children)

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            Yes, that's right. The nice guys trying to be perfect boyfriend material are the misogynists.

            That's what they'll tell you over at /r/feminism or 2X. It's really their way of hamstering away guilt over using their orbiters for emotional and material gain. If their "nice guys" are really assholes in sheep's clothing, they can alleviate feeling like a bitch for letting "Mr. Nice Guy" spend $60 on a sushi dinner for her.

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            Oh my god yes... the female capacity to generate disgust for the guy paying for their meals/cars/shoes/travel has no bounds. Every time I think I've reached the limit of how low someone can go, another female 'friend' confides in me her disgust for some guy we know. It doesn't matter how many years he's put in, how many sweet nothings he's whispered, how hard he's worked to keep a job, how many diapers he's changed or vomit he's soaked up... she doesn't give one single shit... not one. Either give her the tingles or she'll find them somewhere else, period.

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              [–]trying2testhumanity 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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              It's literally like fighting on a day-to-day basis to keep your girl. It makes me think to myself, how the fuck can you even call us anything but animals? We're always out on the hunt, for dollar or bitch.

              I would imagine if a woman offered me everything, to always be loyal and true, to always cook me dinner the way I like, I guess I would be disgusted by it (even if she held true to all that she said)? What do you think? Have you had a woman drown you with all of her attention and time? I don't think I'll ever find a woman who'll do for me what I did for mine back in the day.

              I think you're brainwashed, like me, budd. My favorite feelings are when I give to someone, when I hold her tight and there's no one else on the Earth, when I can actually let my guard down and tell her all the shit I think about.

              It's always a battle... : ( ... maybe our generation was just somehow SO lazy, that we let it get this way? I feel like blaming my parents, but they're so fucked up did I ever even have a chance?

              It makes me sick in the way that we all know. The deep pit in my stomach will never go away.

              [–]sctechie 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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              Awww man, I feel like you wrote that at me dude. My last relationship ending fucked with my head and I said all that lame shit.

              I did this and this and this and I was there for you and I helped with this and remember that time you felt bad and I was there for you and I always supported you...

              Barf man. Never again.

              [–]1exit_sandman 31 points32 points  (0 children)

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              The thing is many men enjoy being sweet, sensitive and many other beta traits, it isn't just the way they were raised.

              That's pretty much it. I recall the mantra repeated over and over again.

              "Women were unhappy in the past, they deserve happiness. Women are communicative, men much less so. Talk to her, listen to her complaining, bring her gifts, show her how much you love her yadda yadda yadda."

              Of course people think that's the way to do it, because that's the New Man (TM) who is supposed to make women happy. Unfortunately it doesn't really work.

              [–]HDThoreauaway 27 points28 points  (3 children)

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              Thing is, you can be sweet, sensitive, and emotionally present, AND ALSO confident, assertive, and in possession of tremendous self-control and agency. I really wish TRP would focus on that fact more often, instead of saying you can either be emotionally available or be "alpha."

              [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              We can aim for mostly alpha behaviors with a side of beta - but not the other way round.

              The things you mention (being emotionally open, etc) are comfort-building beta behaviors that work only if attraction is firmly established.

              Read this if you haven't, should help with calibration:

              http://therationalmale.com/2012/10/02/up-the-alpha/

              There is no side of Alpha. The conflict both Kate and Giggles don't grasp is that Alpha demands dominance, and this doesn't fit very well with the feminine imperative's false religion of equalism. Athol understand this with his Captain and First Officer analogy; in any relationship one partner is the dominant personality, the other the submissive. Even homosexual couples recognize this order, but the women and men of the feminine Matrix resist this with the delusion of an equalist utopia amongst the genders.

              So when I read about a desire for achieving some balance of Alpha to Beta traits in the 'perfect man' I realize that this is an extension of this feminine-primary equalist want for balance amongst the genders; which really equates to women wanting a perfected security. In their need for control (dominance) they want hypergamy definitively settled in the perfect man, for the perfect occasion, and at every stage of their SMV maturation. Men, mangina sympathizers or otherwise, are simply the means to that end. That end may be with the perfect husband, or via cuckolding or through fem-side pornography, or any other methodology women's sexual pluralism will help her invent.

              [–]2asd1100 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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              The thing is many men enjoy being sweet, sensitive and many other beta traits, it isn't just the way they were raised.

              You can train a person to be a submisive bitch with enough reinforcement. As you can train a woman to fight dominance for a political ideology sacrificing a actually satisfing relationship.

              People with low self confidence will do whatever they can to get by the path of low conflict and more positive feedback wins on average in the majority. In our zeitgeist of uniformity, men are trying to be good girlfriends and women are forced to be castrated overcompensating men.

              [–]TheOpposingView 61 points62 points  (6 children)

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              I really love this post.

              Its borderline sidebar worthy for capturing so many RP concepts within the context of a very real, very relatable example.

              Honestly, this is an excellently crafted post.

              Edit: Consider sidebarring this post.

              [–]TooMuchToDoo 24 points25 points  (0 children)

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              Sidebar worthy? Hell, I'd like to see it as our "welcome banner". This should be the very first post that new men of this sub need to see.

              [–]ButterMyBiscuit 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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              I'd also like to see this on the sidebar.

              [–]bitchdantkillmyvibe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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              Absolutely sidebar material. Very grounded and level-headed. Rational and logical. Also notice it is one of the few posts TBP hasn't satirized - cos there is nothing to poke fun at here. You'd be stupid to even try, and they know it.

              [–]Zeroe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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              This has got to be one of the most convincing arguments for TRP I've read since subscribing. Please keep this around for new subscribers to read for a long, long time!

              [–]Sturmgeist781 77 points78 points  (17 children)

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              A few months after discovering TRP I ended my LTR. Archwinger is 100% correct. I wasn't happy.

              I wasn't happy with boring vanilla sex. I wasn't happy getting 50% out of the relationship when I was putting 100% in. I wasn't happy with snarky nagging and bullshit drama. I wasn't happy not being a priority in the life of my woman. I wasn't happy feeling like shit.

              Three months ago, I broke up with my LTR. In 3 months I've dropped nearly 50lbs. I'm finishing up Week 8 of Couch to 5K. I've had sex with 8 women in the last three months. I have a regular FWB who enjoys sex with me so much she invites me over nearly every day.

              I wasn't happy in my LTR, but I wasn't happy with myself mostly. I let myself gain a shit load of weight. I put up with being in a long distance boring LTR. I was responsible and am responsible for my own happiness.

              Am I 100% happy? Fuck no, but I'm getting there. The Red Pill has helped me realize that I'm number one in my life. I used to be priority #1 in my life long before TRP, but I let myself get settled into being fat, out of shape, boring and unhappy.

              TRP fixes men, it doesn't ruin relationships.

              [–]CreepAcceptance 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Your friends have surely noticed your improvements and maybe some of them will be positively influenced. TRP is a fucking force multiplier.

              [–]dan7888 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              watch out for that everyday girl! she'll get you hooked.

              [–]1Zanford 29 points30 points  (2 children)

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              Funny part is, 'working out, demanding sex, acting flippant' is exactly what turns women on.

              But when a recovering beta does it, a woman's alarm bells go off, b/c she's already mentally classified him as beta bux. It's like the RSDTyler videos about double standards and how women try to keep the betas in line, give backwards advice, shame their sexuality (the things they are addicted to in more attractive, confident men), and call them 'controlling' for asserting their rights to their own private property and time (kicking her out of a place you pay for if you're not happy).

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 45 points46 points  (3 children)

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              While many men are waking up, the great con in all of this is that so society has made it that so many weak men actually find "happiness" in serving (and being validated) by women.

              For these men, they actually have hamstered so hard that "escorting" some drunk girl home so another guy can booty call her 15 min later for a fuck has become more "manly".

              To be clear, redefining manhood as "refraining", "holding back" or telling yourself "you didn't really want that girl anyway" is the first step to bluepillhood. cue Yoda warning here

              [–]1Mikesapien 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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              A happy slave is a slave indeed.

              [–]Dreamtrain 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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              Goes hand in hand with another recent excellent thread. There's never gonna be true perfect disney harmony in relationships because hypergamy exists, and that exists due to natural selection. And we have natural selection so our species can evolve. This is a generalization, I don't doubt there's harmonious relationships out there, but as a whole and as a society the balance in relationships tips in favor towards females in our decade, and men will try to tip it for them, and once it tips in favor for men over balance women will tip it for them and so on.

              [–]MrMagwitch 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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              .

              [–]homosexualsaipian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              baby rabies.

              [–]tigolbittiez 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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              You're absolutely right. I'll tell you what's insane, is how many people just deny deny deny everything positive about TRP. They insist everyone here is just pathetic and women-haters. I honestly don't get it.

              I can understand most women are upset at this change in social dynamic and of course the white knights take arms to defend anything the women want. But if you see a post defending TRP, outside TRP, it gets downvoted to hell.

              It's incredible what the ratio of blue pilled-folk are to red pill-folk. Typical hivemind behavior.

              [–]1kick6 16 points17 points  (2 children)

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              They don’t want to be sweet and sensitive and do things for women all day long and be the “perfect boyfriend,” while having subpar sex once every six weeks, paying out the ass for expensive dates and gifts, sacrificing personal time, and getting bitched at and threatened with a break-up if any of this perfect behavior ever dips slightly. They don’t want to give backrubs and footrubs, stay at home one weekend a month while their women have a night out with the girls, get disrespected and talked about behind their backs, get cheated on (but just harmless, meaningless mistakes that don’t really count!), and get berated when they push back against any of this. They don’t want to let women move in, rent-free, and get pressured to buy a ring for a four-digit number of dollars and tie their finances to someone who makes less than half as much money, just because they’ve been “dating awhile” and “it’s time” and they’re “supposed to.”

              Honestly, I think most men DO want this. They just want it to be recognized as making a better bitch, and be rewarded for it with respect and sex. However, somewhere along the line, all these things have become construed as "just what you're supposed to do" as some kind of hilarious bare minimum to get the tiniest morsels of female attention. From a female's prospective (my man does everything and all I have to do is show up...and sometimes not even show up) this truly IS a perfect relationship. 100% take, 0% give.

              So when a dude suddenly realizes "You know what, I do a fuckload for my bitch and she takes it all for granted," and then tries to get some kind of payback, he's suddenly an asshole.

              Its digusting.

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                [–]JRcanReid 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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                I'm giving gold for this post but really I consider it to be a lifetime achievement gold. There are 5 RP peeps I have bookmarked and check in on daily, and Archwinger is one of them. Thanks for your contributions here. They're much appreciated.

                [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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                Who are the others? I don't usually have a lot of time to screw around on Reddit during the day, and I could use a short list.

                [–]JRcanReid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Oops, I think the autobot deleted my post for using direct links.

                /_whistler

                /GayLubeOil

                /Cyralea

                /drrrrrr

                is where I get my RP Cliff's Notes when pressed for time.

                [–]smalltrout 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                “My boyfriend suddenly started doing Red Pill stuff and now I want out,”

                Check their actions not their talks.

                If she were serious about quitting her bf, she would be gone by now. She is just in awe about how her bf is gaining value in other girl's eyes so it poses a dilemna to her: dumping him and risking starting a new relation with a new bluepill (and give his rp man to an other woman) or embrassing his man's new rp personality. She will chose the latter.

                [–]Kloohorn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                If the relationship was fine before the boyfriend went all Red Pill on his woman, why is he trying to change things?

                Perfect

                [–]1rife_omeqa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Great post.

                Even the notion that a woman has the right to dictate how a man acts simply because doing otherwise is "upsetting" to the woman is absurd. Someone needs to tell those assholes that the world does not revolve around them and people can act however they wish.

                The entitlement of these broads is insane. They literally go around enforcing their wishes and standards of others without realizing that their feelings are meaningless. Rustles my fucking jimmies!

                [–]Dr_Acu1a 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                This is absolutely fucking awesome!

                Them saying that the relationship is ruined is just feeling that shift in power. They no longer have "their" man wrapped around their fingers. Of course they are going to say that everything is ruined since they are completely oblivious to the satisfaction of others, or at least they are oblivious to other's satisfaction when they get everything they want.

                Women are only worth what they can offer, and as soon as they stop offering they effectively become worthless. Guys spending time on themselves gets rid of the illusion. Self-improvement makes them aware that you are in demand, therefore no time can be spent on a worthless waste of space.

                [–]Algermas 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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                Bravo OP, outstanding observation.

                [–]BluepillProfessor 21 points22 points  (8 children)

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                In contrast to this dynamic of hating TRP and thinking it leads to domineering behavior and non-compliant men (hopefully) are the HORDES of married women DEMANDING, IMPLORING, BEGGING...their men to "man up."

                Methinks more women are noticing how they lose attraction when their man is a supplicating, beta-pussy than are claiming TRP leads to unpleasant and domineering behavior. One day these two groups of hamsters will meet in an epic battle.

                The winner gets to save- or destroy- civilization.

                [–]1bicepsblastingstud 33 points34 points  (5 children)

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                One day these two groups of hamsters will meet in an epic battle.

                There aren't two groups -- it's the same people.

                It's the doublethink again. These women will happily say "man up" and then turn and complain about how they are being oppressed.

                [–]eugene_goldfarb 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                Yep, most of them don't believe the feminist rhetoric. They can't speak out against it though, because to be non-feminist (not even anti-feminist) is to be a bad person. So the reason they're only feminist when it suits them, and not feminist all of the time, is because they don't really believe in feminism. You see the same thing in many "religious" people who are only Christian when it suits them. The true believers are few and far between.

                EDIT: Well, there's that and also the fact that no one seems to know or agree on what the fuck feminism actually is, making it easy to hamster any choice as being truly feminist after all.

                [–]1exit_sandman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                And say "be more romantic, take care of me, worship me" but be disenchanted when he actually does.

                Fun fact: The female friend of a friend of mine goes exactly through this phase right now. For years she tried to shape her on-and-off-boyfriend into someone more romantic and attentive, and now that she finally succeeded for some reason she doesn't like what she got. I wonder...

                [–]enticingasthatmaybe 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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                They do desperately want their dude to be a macho cowboy, but they haven't the slightest fucking clue how to create a macho cowboy. So, they use the only tools they know - shame and nagging. The which do not create macho cowboys.

                [–]TheD_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                Setting boundaries where there were previously none, tends to anger people.

                [–]Americandreamin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                I think this is the most important takeaway from this situation. I was reading up on how a circle of friends might aggressively try to maintain the status quo when one friend starts changing, even if its for the better. Its rooted in nature, in how our brains function. Most relationships are not balanced, and people tend to react viscerally when someone upsets that harmony. Think of the "well, fuck me" reaction you had the last time you saw a loser friend get a girlfriend or stand up for himself.

                [–]Osiris11111 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                This really struck a chord. Concise, well written and addressing an important issue. I think it should have a place on the side bar.

                [–]eccentricrealist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                It's like watching American Beauty in real life. Hopefully these guys don't get killed by a closet gay military man, of course.

                [–]1exit_sandman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                Kudos.

                [–]1Mikesapien 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                Being fundamentally dissatisfied is central to self-improvement.

                “Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor.” -Alexis Carrel

                [–]IpponDropkick 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                I'm brand new to The Red Pill. After hearing years of feminist theory seeing my friends have their lives fundamentally change because their partners demanded it, I felt like I needed to think in fundamentally different ways. And yes, I've heard all these criticisms of TRP. So this was a great introduction to what ACTUALLY goes on here.

                [–]Femme_Murican 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Those women have their boyfriends pussywhipped badly, of course the relationship was going fine for the women never putting any work in and sex only when they want. The men were changed by he women

                [–]cdlawton07 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                That men should be falling over themselves getting in line for the right to say “I have a girlfriend,” and nothing more. Men are sick of this. U This just happened to my brother last week. He took an old friend from high school who is in grad school now out for a day on the lake because all he wanted was some eye candy to look at. After that, she had a conversation with him that consisted of her telling him he may have a chance with her if he plays his cards right. We both got a kick out of that.

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                This is quite an amazing post. It's probably a good bet that women who have a man turn Redpill on them are too inundated with solipsism to even consider that the reason for his conversion was intimately tied to her poor behavior.

                [–]Javo2357 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Great post, OP. Hope it wakes up those lurkers that might be going through what you've described.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                applause SO thankful i discovered this at the tender age of 22

                [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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                Amazing post. Well put. Of course pushing women out of relationship fairy land where we do everything for them and they do very little for us is traumatic for them, and it should be. They'll get over it and if they don't, we'll get over them.

                [–]neveragoodtime 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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                Great post. It's like these TRP haters are missing the entire point. He's not turning to TRP to fix the relationship, he's looking to attract a better girl.

                [–]SupraLuggi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                What these stories show, more than anything else, is that females typically fail to actually understand a partner's feelings. In a LTR with a beta, she measures his happiness by how many gifts, how much commitment, how much he gives up for her. She sees this as a sign that he likes he way things are going. The real reason for these sacrifices, however, is the desperate need for their partner to put out.

                So what they fail to understand is that they aren't detecting their partner's happiness in the relationship : quite the opposite, they are detecting their partner's desperation. As such, they try to promote the behaviors that result in more desperation (they see this as happiness) and, without even realizing it, torture their partners with an unfulfilled relationship.

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                  [–]Newwby 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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                  Rest of the post was great but why are you implying fiction is a waste of time? You might as well throw in all forms of art with that statement because fiction is typically an exploration of culture presented in a different fashion. Fiction is worthwhile for what it can tell us about the real world. Any kind of reading (and consequently learning) is worthwhile.

                  [–]bat_mayn 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                  I think it was just a misguided statement. When I think about how he says it, I believe he actually means to not get too involved in escapism. Don't try to live in a video game, don't binge on make-believe worlds all the time, etc. The prime directive in your life should be to focus on yourself and be a better man, and that's hard to do when you're always returning to your escapist habits.

                  [–]Newwby 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  I don't see video gaming or reading (particularly the latter) as escapism for the reasons I stated above.

                  That said I'm a game/app developer (and aspiring novelist in my spare time) so perhaps I put a lot more weight into those hobbies because studying either is beneficial to my career.

                  [–]lawlqq 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                  I am 23 years old and can honestly say I am truly happy and hopeful for the first time in years. I no longer have to project my happiness because it just happens. The information on this site and in the books that are recommended reading are invaluable. Never again will I put a women on a pedestal. Never again will I have to be a puppet. I will forever be thankful for trp. So far it has been the single most pivotal point in my life. And for that, I am forever grateful

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                  Guys in the “my man went Red Pill and ruined our relationship” Reddit posts probably aren’t actually going to internet sites to get an instruction manual for how to piss off their girlfriends.

                  Since women always think it is only about them this idea makes sense if you view it from the position of that woman. The conclusion is totally irrantional from any other point of view though.

                  [–]foxthechicken 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                  I am dealing with a major crossroads in my life with my live-in girlfriend whom I moved in along with her three-year-old daughter and am raising as my own. This post definitely opened my eyes.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  The Red Pill exists because many men aren’t happy. Because these relationships that are allegedly “just fine” are very much NOT just fine. Because men are giving so much to their women and getting so little, with the assumption that merely existing – merely being a presence in the man’s life – is all a woman needs to do to become his highest priority. That men should be falling over themselves getting in line for the right to say “I have a girlfriend,” and nothing more. Men are sick of this.

                  Merely being there, saying "I love you," doesn't cut it. We're men. We don't take things at face-value.

                  You want to something from me? Work for it, show me you deserve my affection.

                  If you act like a bitch, and at the same time, want me to "love" you, tough shit, bitch. If my motorcycle has a bad part, I don't get attached to it, I replace it. Just like that, if something, or someone in my life is acting out, giving me shit, I don't spend too much time around them after figuring out they're not going to change. I replace them.

                  No one is going to fall over themselves for you because you got a pussy. Over here, men and women are valued for what they bring to the table. And you have nothing.

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                  Women don't like the idea of men reclaiming/rediscovering their masculinity because it would diminish the amount of control they have over sex and relationships...it would mean an end to their free ride...that is why they want to suppress masculinity, because it would liberate men from their passive subjugation to women and permit men to regain control. Everyone with power ALWAYS fears losing it along with the privileges it accords them. Its not these women are afraid these men are using and abusing women...quite the contrary...they are afraid that men will stop letting women use and abuse them. Males are the only one still forced to adhere to traditional roles while women are allowed free reign to anything they want...the reason for this is that men have allowed women to consistently raise the price of sex...rather men should learn to DEPRECIATE its value and to show women that their sexual assets have less worth than they ascribe to it. Only then can a fair exchange transpire. Why is it that men are seen as taking advantage of women when women CHOOSE to enter relationships with them? Are they admitting that they are consistently outsmarted by men and require males to "hold back". Why don't they take responsibility for LETTING themselves be used...besides if its wrong for men to pursue and use women for sex, why isn't wrong for women to do so to men, but for their money. You see its OKAY for men to be mistreated and enslaved to women for an unfair wage of infrequent sex...because it serves the interests of women. And furthermore, any man who attempts to utilize rationality when trying to crack the "complex" mind of a woman is doomed to failure...why? Because unlike what men are accustomed to, the mind of a woman does not adhere to the principles of reality, rationality and logic. It is designed by nature to instinctively respond to its baser primitive emotions...you can't make sense of women not because they are intricate and deep but because women live in a fantasy world with their own made up precepts and rules. Most of the time even THEY don't know what they want because they're just going with the flow so to speak...nature intended women to have the attention span of a fly to incentivize reproduction with as many wlphas as possible. However women also feel threatened by the very alphas they are attracted to...because they would compromise their interests concerning reproductive supeririority...women need men to remain betas in order to control them.

                  [–]homosexualsaipian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  These women are bitching because they can no longer rely on beta cunt who lives for the one but instead live for themselves. They feel threatened because their men could float any moment if they do not submit to their male partners. Delicious irony. TRP is truly a powerful ideology for men.

                  [–]raceAround126 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  TRP would have saved my relationship had I found it sooner. The changes I went through prior to finding this sub certainly reignited her interest. Sadly it was too late for me. I was well out of love with her at that point. But had it been sooner, then I would say TRP would have saved it.

                  Proof: she still tries to contact me

                  [–]watersign 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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                  What I appreciate most about The Red Pill is the self-improvement factor that is more or less shunned in Marxist America.

                  [–]brendeho 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  It may just be the american spirit is reinvigorating. I am happy for this for more reasons than just red pill.

                  [–]1rape_is_bad_mkay 8 points9 points  (10 children)

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                  Well said, but I have a concern.

                  I've heard similar stories before, with the difference that it was feminism that made the woman turn into some hateful self-important cunt. She got all amped up by that girl-power stuff and decided she wanted some of that, but only turned into someone who everyone except feminists hated.

                  How can we make sure we're not making the same mistake feminists make?

                  [–]slideforlife 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                  the difference between feminists and red pill'ers is that RPs seem to want to damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead and feminists want to gum up the ocean so that no ships can sail -just in case.

                  [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

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                  How can we make sure we're not making the same mistake feminists make?

                  What's it matter?

                  If you become the greatest man you can be, you're physically fit, professionally successful, socially apt and well-connected, and full of useful skills and interesting hobbies, sexual success just falls into place. Not only does your life rock on its own, but women want to fuck you and be a part of the awesome ride that is your life.

                  Who cares if she "likes" you or "hates" you the same way we like or hate feminists? Your life is awesome and women fuck you for it. What more do you want? Public opinion to side with you? Phhht.

                  [–]1Mikesapien 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  It doesn't matter that we're liked or hated. What matters is why we're liked or hated. Remember, they hated Socrates for speaking the truth, too.