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      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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      remember, MGTOWs and PUAs are the same philosophy

      they both say "screw women".

      [–]mexicaaaan 49 points50 points  (27 children)

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      TRP isn't anti-women, but this subreddit can definitely serve as a collection bucket for men that are fucking ragingly pissed-off about women and that's where I think the perception comes from.

      [–]1Sergnb 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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      It's really hard to argue TRP is not against women when there's a daily flood of hate flowing towards women here that they can just point to whenever you try to argue otherwise.

      Even in the sidebar there's a collection of thoughts and ideals that many people would consider hate.

      What you choose to do with those words is what defines you. I'm still not entirely comfortable saying I browse "TRP" because not only I don't agree with a lot of content posted here, but the stigma surroinding it in and out of reddit is as bad as it has ever been.

      I can only hope to browse this subreddit and slowly but surely changing its face by downvoting gratuitious hate and upvoting facts, and I know I'm not the only one doing this, as more hating newbies begin the zen process to become better people.

      [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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      I've noticed there's an essential difference between hatred and what stupid people refer to as "hate."

      [–]1Sergnb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Well yeah, many times I see people pointing at "hate" and think "the fuck you talking about", but many other times you can't deny it.

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 21 points22 points  (5 children)

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      Anger is the first stage of TRP, and we just had 1500+ new subscribers. An entire new freshman class. Rage is going to be more frequent the next month or two.

      Those that stick around will find that TRP offers much more that just a place to vent. After the anger comes understanding, and finally acceptance. That is when progress really begins.

      [–]crisblunt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      I would love a way to differentiate the stages. Everyone deserves to have their anger period as the process the new data. But someplace to think and grow with others who have graduated from that stage would be nice. So far I just stick to redpill theory.

      [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Search posts on stages of red pill, there is a post that's already outlined the stages.

      [–]Gustavomb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      This is what astonished me. I don't remember when I joined, but it was with the last subscriber batch before the current one, or one before that. I started reading and there was a lot of venting posts, all the rage. And it turned me off. Don't get me wrong, I have been somewhat poisoned by the female empire, but living in a Latin country and growing up in a normal, classic household, I was not doctrined in the way kids are these days, and I am 18. I know I am young, but I was never fooled by the system, so to speak, so all that anger seemed excessive to me, I didn't feel like that. So I took some time off, and when I came back some months later, the anger was over, and the beautiful part of trp emerged. Now I get why, this subb is fated to have cycles, as more people learn about it and come cleanse themselves from the poisonous ways that Fuck society these days. Like op saidm, I love women. My mother, sister, aunts and cousins, lady friends and so on, I have no reason to hate them, especially because since I became a redpiller my relationship with them only became stronger and better. I like this subb

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

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      They should go to /r/short. You want to see a bunch of pissed off guys that have been rejected too much, then that is the place to be.

      [–]mexicaaaan 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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      Wow - I had no idea. And I'm 5'7".

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      You had no idea /r/short existed or you did know short guys get rejected?

      [–]mexicaaaan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      that there was such a subreddit

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Ah. Yeah I used to lurk there out of curiosity but the negativity was too depressing. Plus I'm tall so there wasn't much for me to say.

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        [–]theredpillager 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        No, the avg is 5'10". It was 5'8" when I was younger, but I, as well as /u/mexicaaaan, are now officially short.

        source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height#Average_height_around_the_world

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          [–]1CaptainFalconer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          Depends. If the women are seeking an LTR, and you aren't, women would suffer. (But then again, sex doesn't entitle a girl to an LTR, any more than Friendzone would entitle a guy to sex)

          If women are seeking an LTR, and the guy is seeking an LTR, then it's mutually beneficial. (Especially considering women need to feel they are dating-up/hypergamy) So men having an advantage is necessary for a relationship to be healthy.

          Casual sex and casual sex? Mutually beneficial.

          If the women is just a gold digger seeking a meal ticket, followed by a vampiric divorce. Sure she "suffers", but fuck her. Morally she doesn't deserve that in the first place.

          Problem being of course, given that guys in an LTR would be happily not worrying about dating for extended periods of time, the LTR guys post on this forum a lot less than the casual sex guys.

          But course, said another way. TRP is one of the few ways to have a healthy LTR. Which considering the 50% divorce rate + 20% additional unhappy marriages that stay together, is definitely worth finding yourself in that top 30%. (And also despite TRP, marriage rates in general are in a steep decline)

          [–]the99percent1 141 points142 points  (44 children)

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          men and women are DIFFERENT. Not in a good or bad way. Just different. No matter how hard you try, you cannot change the laws of physics and what mother nature has created.

          Red Pill recognizes this. We ACCEPT the differences and have no urge to fight or change it. We bask in its glory. We celebrate the truth.

          It's almost zen-like... When you accept the cold hard facts, you can then begin the process of transformation into the sort of person you want to be.

          The thing with all movements like Feminism, Mens Rights Activists, Gender Equality, LGBT, etc have in common is the fact that they refuse to accept the inherent differences in genders. At it's core, they all hate each other for treading on their own turf.. They will fight each other to the bitter end and out of this, a new paradigm of animosity and hatred between the genders will be born.

          RP doesn't play that game.. This 'RP is anti-women propaganda' was born out of convenience to explain away our entity. They cannot fathom a movement that celebrates the differences and works towards bridging acceptance. They only want blood.. They want to change the perception of masculinity and femininity. Well, as long as RP is alive and kicking, I can rest assured in the knowledge that a few of us have transcended all the bullshit around us and are more clued into our senses, the traditional ways of life, mother nature and the truth.

          [–]1veggie_girl 34 points35 points  (20 children)

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          We ACCEPT the differences and have no urge to fight or change it. We bask in its glory. We celebrate the truth.

          And only the loonies or ignorant would try to change it. Human instinct and sexual selection has taken millions of years of evolution to get to its current state. No social construct/movement is going to undo all that, it's embedded in our DNA.

          Men and women are different, not equal. We shouldn't be trying to recognize each other as equals, nor should be competing with each other. Women and men are meant to compliment each other's differences and history would show humans are most happy when filling complimentary roles.

          [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

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          I think it's fine to embrace masculinity and femininity, but to sum it up as simply "in our DNA" doesn't mean that it's a better choice for society.

          Social constructs are more powerful than you think. The entire concept of human civilization, starting from the religions of Abraham, have been to overcome biological imperatives for the sake of human society.

          I can tolerate dissenting opinions from my own if they're intelligently formed, so while many of my beliefs fall under the category of TRP, I can still respect someone who prefers to have society shift in a different direction.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          Societies come and go, religions are believed and discarded, Abraham is hardly the progenitor of either. Many religions came before that one, and that one borrows heavily from them.

          Human nature is the way it is for our continued survival, we have been successful due to our nature. The best genetics make better offspring, bad genetics don't survive. Social constructs like religions can try to change that, but they will only dilute the population by allowing not so well suited genetics to continue.

          There hasn't been enough generations since man became civilized to change our nature. We are still the caveman from 100,000 years ago in many ways and we have only changed superficially in the last 50,000 years. The pigment in our skin adapts faster than our reproductive drives.

          [–]southernfriedcode 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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          It's also in my DNA to kill you, rape your wife, and then take your daughters as tribute for my conquest in battle. There's something to be said for society acting to control our baser instincts.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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          The argument was to accept society for how it works best, not to become a primate.

          [–]guraski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          No social construct/movement is going to undo all that, it's embedded in our DNA.

          Some social constructs treat these innate behaviors and thoughts as vestigial.

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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          humans are most happy when filling complimentary roles.

          That's NOT TRUE, SHITQUEEN!!! I'm a CAREER WOMYN, goddamitt!!! I don't need a man to be happy, as long as I have his sperm and a lot of cats!!! I can have babies at 50!!! Halle Berry told me so in "Womens World" magazine!!! Gender roles are just constructs of the evil PAAAYYTREEARKKYY!!!!

          /s ok I'm done now.

          [–]elevul -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

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          it's embedded in our DNA.

          But our DNA will be changing drastically in the next decades, and our bodies will start integrating with technology to the point that we'll step beyond homo sapiens.

          [–]sculd 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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          You know DNA does not change in such period of time. It changes through natural selection process, which took hundreds of thousand years and in the modern world where one does not get killed only because the one was not fitted enough, the time scale would probably be prolonged.

          [–]JoshtheAspie 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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          He's talking about trans-humanism. According to trans-humanist ideals, a combination of genetic engineering, and technological enhancement will completely change what has come before. Many trans-humanists believe that the shift in technologies to where both are possible is either coming very soon, or we've already crossed the threshold.

          To an extent, I see the point. We've already got techological replacements for damaged human parts, and some of these parts give conditional mechanical advantages. Women already use ultrasounds and genetic testing to end the lives of unborn children they consider to be sub-standard quality (then again, dwarfs and other children born with obvious physical defects have been killed in he cradle for centuries).

          [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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          Precisely, and the irony is: all this revolution is led and moved by the beta, the people who truly believe in equality, not by redpillers, so the results are surely gonna be interesting.

          [–]theredpillager 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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          The CEOs of the companies that bring those beta technologies to market are all red pill. It takes balls to take huge risks, and betas don't have them.

          [–]raouldukeesq -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          Human instinct and sexual selection has taken millions of years of evolution to get to its current state. No social construct/movement is going to undo all that, it's embedded in our DNA.

          That's partially true. In the state of nature, attraction played very little of a role. Primitive males were fucking whomever they could they could out run and for tens of thousands of years. Civilization gave rise to the opportunity for attraction to play a significant role.

          [–]the_real_chronos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          That is not true. Attraction plays a pivotal role in mating in vitally many biological species. See sexual selection in birds for example.

          The thing is: primates would fuck whomever best mate they could get. Not just any mate, but the best and most fit.

          [–]john-b 13 points14 points  (4 children)

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          i view RP simply as a rediscovery of how it was in the old times. in the age of enlightenment it was common sense. and its the same now, just women are equal to men in the eyes of the law (supposed to be anyways).

          in this case, if you don't adopt RP beliefs you are going against nature. Not being in harmony with nature in this regard is a sure path to unhappiness and destruction

          [–]1Galatre 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          It was the "age of enlightenment" that led us to feminism. I agree that during that time RP was common among men and women but only because the effects of liberalism took generations to achieve this level of saturation.

          [–]thisisboring 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          just women are equal to men in the eyes of the law (supposed to be anyways).

          Are you implying that men and women should not be treating equally by the law? There is a difference between the natural fact that men and women are different and the attempt to treat them equally as far as is possible. Men and women are different, but we can still give equal rights to men and women, insofar as this is biologically possible.

          [–]john-b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          both genders have certain unalienable rights endowed by the creator as far as i'm concerned. respecting of rights is something i do automatically. but i'm still in general going to treat women differently because they are women. Notice i'm not speaking in terms of superior/inferior. just different.

          [–]subcover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          We don't have to stop at how it was in some imagined olden days. Then someone will start talking about "chivalry" bla bla bla.

          Females pushed things way over one way with their pressure. We should push ours as far as possible too, overcorrect. Women are starting to say "yes you're right, let's all stop playing games" which I refuse. I won't stop now that I am finally winning!

          [–]Ramyth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Feminism is really pushing androgyny and the idea that "Gender is a social construct".

          It's absolutely ridiculous

          [–]1RXRob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          A little thought exercise that I like to give to people :

          Imagine teaching an alien about humans. You show him a male cadaver and a female cadaver. He sees the two chests and the two crotches. He dissects them and compares breast tissue to pecs and ovaries to the prostate. Now look him in the eye with a straight face and tell him that each gender is equal in every way.

          We're different. Let's enjoy that difference rather try to change it.

          [–]raouldukeesq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          men and women are DIFFERENT.

          Very true! However, it is important to remember that men and women are much more alike than different.

          [–]nicknameminaj -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          the laws of physics

          yes that is the main factor in making men and women different

          smh

          [–]Agendist 52 points53 points  (11 children)

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          TRP does look anti-women for the majority of population because when you compare pedestalizing women to treating them the same way you treat any other man it seems misogynistic and hating.

          For example, when you live your whole life in an equatorial country and then move to England you will say "Damn, it's freezing in here." And people will not understand what the hell you are talking about, because to them this weather looks normal.

          The same way when a woman murders her 2 children people will say "She felt exhausted", "Her husband emotionally abandoned her", "She needs our help". And when you suggest that she must convicted for at least 25 years people will label you a misogynist and woman-hater.

          [–]1Sergnb 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          I think this has a bit of truth but it's not entirely accurate. TRP looks anti-women because there's rape jokes and anti-women hate going on in the subreddit everyday AND being upvoted to the top.

          There's a popular imgur album going around anti-trp sites with over 50 pictures of guys saying REALLY fucked up shit and with a good chunk of upvotes backing them up. I'm talking "hey i had a female friend and she changed for some reason, what do I do? Bake her a cake but put cum inside and make her eat it" kind of shit.

          I can't really blame anyone who sees that and goes "well doesn't that look like a shithole if I've ever seen one" for not understanding TRP well enough.

          There's tons of people on reddit scrutinizing the fuck out of this subreddit and gathering pictures and pictures of hate and posting them in other subreddits, all the time.

          THAT is why TRP seems antiwomen. Because that kind of "newbie who still has naïve and childish attitude starts raging and throwing vitriol towards women and blaming them for his mistakes" shit still gets upvoted to the top by other people in the same position.

          To be honest, I try not to care too much about what other people think of TRP (you know, like a TRPer would do), but it's impossible not to be frustrated by the attitude the people in this subreddit are reacting to it with. The amount of threads going "OMG SOMEONE ELSE ON REDDIT IS SAYING WE ARE SHIT GET A LOAD OF THIS" is increasing exponentially by the minute. And also the subsequent brigading that goes on after that. It almost reminds me of SRS to be honest, and that's something I really don't want to see this subreddit turn into.

          [–]moonmixer 11 points12 points  (8 children)

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          Does this analogy hold up? Every time I see a woman charged with murdering her kids in the news, there is a veritable media shit storm and EVERYONE I talk to about it wants to see her in jail for life.

          [–]witchblade13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          It does in some circumstances. Women are generally sentenced harder when murdering children because 'it's not in her nature' but when committing crimes against husband/partners then she is victimized and let off the hook. I think this stems from our historical perception of women.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah, I don't think it's as bad as the other poster claims either.

          There is a bias that a male murder is bad, while a female murderer is "well maybe there was a reason". A female murdered is given more of the benefit of the doubt, more consideration. But not to the level of letting her off usually. (Not more than a man, see any number of men who also got away with murder.)

          [–]noblepaladin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I think there are statistics that women get far less jail time than men when convicted for the same crimes. Women don't get off free when they commit murder. Murder is probably the one crime where the sentencing is probably closer to men. But for more minor offenses, women a far easier sentence then men. It is probably both a factor of bias in favor of women and bias against a certain type of men who end up in jail often (black men, low socio-economic class men, etc).

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 25 points26 points  (4 children)

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          You're not going to put it to rest, because it's powertalk. Language that means one thing to the initiated, and another, safer meaning to outsiders.

          When people say "TRP hates women", they do not mean "TRP hates women". They mean "TRP is getting in the way of a power grab that benefits me", but they are saying it in such a way that only participants in the the power grab (feminists, SRS, SJW, etc) and detractors (TRP, MRM, MGTOW, etc) are aware of the real meaning. To everyone else, it means "TRP hates women".

          And if they are challenged for their real message, they simply claim they were simply delivering the safe message. Since there's no way to prove the real message exists, there's no way to call it out or argue against it, since the moment an effective criticism is launched, only the safe message is claimed.

          So there's no point in arguing about whether or not TRP "hates women", because the people saying it don't care if it's true. They only care if saying it will prevent TRP from impeding their socio-cultural-political power grab, their attempt to restructure society in ways that cannot possibly function, but are good for them in the short term.

          Do not bother arguing with psychopaths as if they were sincere.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Good insight.

          To be honest this post was for the newbies here at TRP. A "rally the troops" sort of address. I know we won't change any minds. "TRP hates women" is a propaganda campaign, not a debate.

          [–]bluemyselfearly19 24 points25 points  (1 child)

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          I'm not anti-women. I'd take a bullet for any of the women in my family. I'm 'antipretty lies.'

          [–]Kolperz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Pretty little liars are everywhere man

          [–]Hoboshanker 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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          You're wrong about girls in Asia, especially Chinese girls. There was a viral video where a Chinese girl is slapping the shit out of a guy in public.

          Relavant

          [–]Average_Black_Man 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          That is fucking hard to watch. Makes me want to go to Asia, by comparison the average male in America would be like a deity there.

          [–]Menadian 28 points29 points  (1 child)

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          One of the things I do enjoy most is that every time some person writes som hate-slander it is quickly downvoted or corrected by the RP masses. That makes the biggest difference in my world.

          [–]toysjoe 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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          I wish more people would understand

          not putting women on a pedestal, believing them to be perfect angels and kissing the ground they walk on ≠ hating women

          [–]Sleep-less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          Men put women on a pedestal, because throughout our entire lives we are taught they are more valuable than ourselves.

          We are always taught about chivalry, romance and women and children first.

          Men are literally disposable to society (really is worth a watch).

          We are literally bombarded in the media with men sacrificing themselves, and putting their lives on the line for women. we are raised with the idea that women are intrinsically more valuable than ourselves. They are treated like an entirely higher being.

          [–]anonlymouse 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah, I never hated women to begin with, but I was pissed off about some of the things they did and generally frustrated with them, and reading the sidebar articles actually helped me look at things from their point of view, and see rationality in the way they behave. Particularly the one on two types of love on cedonulli.com.

          I'm more accepting of women as they are now than I was before, I don't wish they'd change, it's just easier for me to change to fit (which as long as I can see reason in it, I don't mind doing).

          That said, most of the signal here is in the sidebar and most of the discussion here is noise, so if someone comes here just to read the posts and comments rather than starting at the sidebar I could see how they get the wrong impression.

          [–]HurricanSam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          All this justification is wonderful, but as long as there are specimen among RP-ers who spew nonsense like "women don't belong in the work force because HAMSTER!" the image of a woman-hating men's club will be ever-prevalent.

          The line between actual philosophy and pseudo-science is often blurred here in an attempt to justify classical gender roles and masculine superiority (women are irrational, emotional, etc.).

          [–]1wakethfkupneo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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          Of course we're not anti-women. Hell, we like women A LOT. This sub preaches self improvement in every area but #1 reason we are here is ... because we like women. We're not gay or something (nothing against gays). MGTOW is -----> that way.

          Anyways, when feminists call us misogynists or haters or whatever, this is nothing but manipulation. It's load of BS caused by fear and panic. The real reason, the real threat is best described by Rollo:

          The Threat

          This is the threat that Game represents to the feminine imperative. Widely shared, objective assessments of Men’s SMV and how it develops is the antithesis of the female sexual strategy. Women’s greatest fear is that they could become the ‘selected’ instead of the ‘selectors’.

          [–]theredpillager 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          MGTOW is a facet/direct result of TRP and they belong here as much as anywhere else. So Sayeth the Sidebar.

          [–]kfpswf 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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          What I think is that even if you could convince someone that TRP isn't anti-women, people would still hang on to that strawman argument simply because it gives them a higher moral ground.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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          Couldn't agree more. The #1 argument against TRP is straw man. I actually wrote this original for the reaction sub, /punchingmorpheus. After I finished I realized exactly what you said: I wasn't going to change any minds. They want to hate TRP. So I posted it here instead.

          [–]Lionstrong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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          Cross post it there too. See what happens.

          [–]Sturmgeist781 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          He'll be banned from that sub and called a misogynst shitlord. Just another day.

          [–]aa223 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Like I said swallowing the Red Pill is like going through the five stages of grief.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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          Proof, there are even some women that have swallowed the redpill. For people who think you guys hate women they should read a bit on the sister sub.
          We are happier, both men and women, when we recognize our differences and use that to seek happiness.

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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          My wife is certainly happier and more proud of me when I act like a man and not like a doormat like some of our friends' husbands act.

          [–]wakingslowdiver 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          my girlfriend literally said a man should always wear the pants in a relationship. woman are just happier that way.

          [–]Maaahoney 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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          What gyrocopter chick in the UK? I recall a recent video of a quadcopter owner being assaulted, but that was in Madison, CT (USA).

          [–]robot-b 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          i've got a feeling that the OP is talking about the quadcopter thing too

          [–]novemberguest 23 points24 points  (63 children)

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          As a woman who lurks on TRP often, I do not get the impression that TRP ideology is anti-woman. However, it is not surprising at all that many seem to believe that buying into TRP = buying into the belief that men are the superior sex without recognizing the strengths and weaknesses that can be generally attributed to either sex...

          Of course many people, including myself at times, will turn away from this subreddit after repeatedly reading "women are essentially children in adult bodies; you cannot reason with them." This is inaccurate and if it's not a misogynist statement, I don't know what is. It seems to me that these sorts of comments are counterproductive as they give the impression that TRP posters are just bitter dudes who can't get laid and must vent their pent-up frustration online.

          Also, it seems that TRP is rampant with generalizations, and although generalizing can be a good thing, the ones I see on TRP are very broad and appear to only have a masturbatory effect for TRP community. For example, the idea that women hit a "wall" right at age thirty and become desperate husband seekers. It's well and true that a woman's attractiveness declines after a certain point, but the variations make such a sweeping statement read more along the lines of, "we can't wait until all these bitches who rejected us aren't in their twenties anymore and can't get laid as easily-- who will be laughing THEN?" and this impression leaves an outside reader with feelings of pity instead of interest and purpose.

          Overall, I enjoy the TRP and agree with the ideology, but I do think that the community would become more accessible/adaptable (without compromising true TRP beliefs) if commenters put aside their personal frustrations and emotions while trying to critique females.

          And from what I've seen, feminist online communities are much harsher on men than TRP is on women, but that's a topic for another time. There's no benefit in stooping to their level.

          [–]Dreamtrain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          In another thread they asked what are elements with TRP you disagree on and I could not give an example, I could only express dislike when some concepts discussed were presented in black and white. Dabbling in absolutes is never good for anyone. It's gonna pick on some nerves but I agree with what you say regarding generalizations.

          Though I think that the motivation shouldn't be to change/alter discourse to make the community more accessible/adaptable, it should be to lean towards a better precision in describing reality.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          I actually agree with you. I think, if anything, these gross generalizations are a form of cognitive laziness. It takes effort to distinguish the nuance of a situation. Easier just to blanket generalize.

          [–]mscleverclocks 31 points32 points  (23 children)

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          "Of course many people, including myself at times, will turn away from this subreddit after repeatedly reading "women are essentially children in adult bodies; you cannot reason with them." This is inaccurate and if it's not a misogynist statement, I don't know what is."

          As a rp woman, I have to disagree with this. Women acting like children is pretty accurate these days. Most are entitled, temperamental, and selfish. We all do it, even me, though rarely, because I work hard to keep myself under control. Women have a "frame" too, and if you don't keep yourself respectable, lady-like, understanding, nurturing, compassionate, and give into the nagging, whining, victimized tendencies that society has deemed acceptable for women, you are acting like a child.

          I think this sub is just as important for women as it is for men. We need to know how men perceive us (especially the negative) so we know how to improve ourselves to make our future/present husbands and boyfriends happy. If no one points out your flaws, how do you know you have any?

          The only thing I will say is manwhores are just about as attractive as sluts are, so remember that guys, good rp women don't want to be with a man who has slept with every slut in town either.

          Edit: word

          [–]novemberguest 12 points13 points  (8 children)

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          I don't know where you live or what your situation is, but in the world I live in, both men and women of GenX are equally immature and childish.

          In my community, granted it's an upper-class suburb and elite college, women acting promiscuously are frowned upon, and you won't find your average "sluts" too often.

          I love when people point out my flaws. I thrive on it. And successful relationships depend on each parter making the other happy, usually in different ways; it's not a one-sided deal.

          Addendum: I don't mean to brag about my financial/educational situation. I mentioned it because it's relevant.

          [–]mscleverclocks 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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          I totally agree with you, it's not a one-sided deal at all and yet that's what it has been for these men. That's why they're here and that's why they have every right to point out flaws in most women today. We're not talking about betas who are immature and whiney, we're talking about the men who are taking control of their lives and realizing the truth. So no, they are not bitching about not getting laid, they are rightfully angry that women have been using them all their life.

          [–]novemberguest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          That's not what I said. I said that certain repeated/exaggerated statements give the impression that TRP'ers are whining betas, and I stand by that. Of course everyone can and should point out flaws in a system they see as defective.

          edit: gives--> give.

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          I think the core of the "Women are essentially children; you cannot reason with them" idea isn't that they are LITERALLY children, but rather that to a man, the way to reason with them is similar. This is not to say that they are mentally underdeveloped or incapable. The audience for this statement is men, and it is actually an extremely powerful, pursuasive and eye-opening statement to a man.

          You see, men have a way of reasoning with each other. When we argue intellectually, we COMPLETELY remove ourselves from the equation and there is no subcontext to the ideas. Personal attacks are breaking the rules. Appeals to each other's authority are unjust and fallacious. Appeasing each other goes contrary to the concept of arguing. All of this gets in the way of the subject at hand. When a bunch of guys, tasked with finding a place to go to lunch, begin talking, some will say "I don't care.. anything is fine" and almost always THEY MEAN IT. Others will have dietary restrictions. Some may not want to walk long distances. All the variables are put on the table, and a short list of options of maximal utility obvious to everyone is made, and if there is not a clear choice, then the alpha male of the group is the tie breaker. There is no hard feelings, even by the vegan who ends up at the steak house for lunch because he can clearly see that it was the most obvious compromise for the good of the group. Once the decision has been made and execution has begun, then there is a complete focus on accomplishing the task and no one questions it anymore; the vote has been taken and it's over.

          That's not how women work. Given the lunch situation, they reason through competitiveness, appeals for sympathy, etc.. Once the decision has been made, the losers will still attempt to sabotage the group to get their way. It's a much more competitive environment. This is also the way young boys act. Men understand this; men have lived and competed in this very same environment and we know the rules. The thing is, we expect that at a certain age that others "became adults" which means we now reason more democratically backed by a dictitorial rule of the alpha male. When we deal with children, we know that they are "not adults" and so we strongly project our leadership to force a dictatorship on the group of children, only allowing the democratic reasoning amongst the other adults in the group to the exclusion of the children.

          When we say "women are like children" we mean that they don't even comprehend the rules of the debate process. Many of us have a tendency to think, "Well, she's over 16, she should be included in the debate". The problem is, we now have a self interested, non-democratic force that we have given the vote to. This force is subversive and undermines the male reasoning process, and makes it difficult to achieve finality in the decision when done by our rules. It also makes us look weak because we aren't acting with self interest in a democracy, we are acting with group interest which means we are giving the group permission to screw us over as an individual, which destroys our credibility to the women who see this as a severe competitive disadvantage, because it is! The easiest way to get a man to understand why he is losing his frame is to pin it to an analogy that he is familiar with: Women reason the way you used to reason as a child. If you go in with that mindset, suddenly the rules of the game make total sense!

          This is not to say that women's reasoning is inferior because it is more akin to the childlike reasoning of young boys. It's just different. It serves a different purpose. Women are biologically more valuable. They need to continue to exist for the offspring to be taken care of, so their reasoning faculties are naturally more self interested in order to secure their own preservation. Men need to ensure the survival of the group, because after 45 seconds, my genes are implanted and my personal job is done... now I need to ensure that the tribe lives long enough and prosperous enough for that seed I planted to grow long enough to pass on my genes. Our reasoning stems from the idea of self sacrifice for the greater good of the group, and by sacrifice I don't just mean working your ass off to make sure dinner is ready, I mean SACRIFICE as in if it means my tribe will do better if I take a mammoth tusk to the face, then that's what I'm going to do today. "Childlike reasoning" is not inferior, because it means that the women and children have a better chance of individual survival, which is THE WHOLE POINT.

          TLDR; Women reason like children. That's not demeaning women, in fact it's a damn good strategy and far superior to male reasoning for the position they hold. Pointing this out is not intended to insult the mental development of the woman, but rather to help men understand where they are coming from. If children reasoned like men in a harsh environment then many would not survive to breeding age and that would suck. If women reasoned like men in a harsh environment, then many children would not survive to breeding age, which would suck. Go you.

          [–]thisisboring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          On average, men and women do reason differently in some situations. But the differences you describe are wrong. The goal behind the reasoning a man does is not any more about "...the idea of self sacrifice for the greater good of the group" than it is for women. In fact, women tend to strive for social cohesiveness of the group as a whole, which necessitates their reasoning holds the good of the group as very important, while mean strive for dominance and the protection of their immediate family (not necessarily the larger group they are a part of), which necessitates that their reasoning holds their position within the group in high regard.

          [–]novemberguest 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          You're completely wrong and buying into a bunch of shit that's supposed to make you feel better. If it makes you feel better, think whatever you want.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          It doesn't make me feel better. It simply seems to correspond to my experience. Women (as an aggregate... there are always exception) don't reason the same as men.. that much is clear. It's frustrating to both men and women. Some might claim that this is purely cultural pressure, but I don't buy that because it seems too universal, persisting across diverse cultures, so it's more likely genetic. I feel no moral superiority in my reasoning processes over a female's, I just observe a distinct difference in tactics. The statement "Women reason like children" is a succinct summary that allows me to rationally deal with the difference in a successful manner that is satisfying to both myself and the women I deal with. It is not intended to demean the women or elevate myself. There is no "feeling" involved. It's an effective tool for intergender relations.

          You can disagree with my speculations of the differences origins, and I would welcome discussion there. You could also enlighten me as to where the reasoning tactics of women significantly divurge from those of children (outside of simply being more sophisticated) and such insight would be most valuable! But it would be a hard, uphill road to convince me that women and men naturally reason in the same way (although I believe they can learn each other's tactics in order to become effective).

          [–]lurkeryouredumb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          in the world I live in, both men and women of GenX are equally immature and childish.

          What's a 19 year-old doing hanging out with so many people from my generation?

          [–]novemberguest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          from my generation?

          My mistake. I meant millennials. Technically, 1995 is the cut-off birth year for the millennial label.

          [–]VelociReactor 6 points7 points  (10 children)

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          The only thing I will say is manwhores are just about as attractive as sluts are, so remember that guys, good rp women don't want to be with a man who has slept with every slut in town either.

          The male equivalent of a "Slut" would be a 30 year old beta virgin that doesn't know how to talk to women.

          For a woman to become a slut, all she has to do is look pretty and spread her legs. To become a manwhore requires a certain level of attractiveness, game, and a lot of effort, and is not something that the majority of men can do.

          [–]my-redpillthrowaway 7 points8 points  (8 children)

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          I am not a woman so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

          Yes, preselection works for men but everything has a saturation point. You have been with 10 girls? Women will think this guy has something going for him. I will try to lock him down.

          Slept with 50+ women? You can still have hook-ups but LTR material women will try to avoid you.

          At least, that's what I think

          [–]FiveRows 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Slept with 50+ women? You can still have hook-ups but LTR material women will try to avoid you.

          This completely flies in the face of what I have witnessed throughout my lifetime. I'm also bold enough to say that many of the older guys on this sub with plenty of life experience would agree with me.

          [–]heist_of_saint_graft 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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          I don't really think there is an upper bound. I have had 100+ and did not hide this from my current LTR. A woman wants a man who has other options, but will choose her instead.

          [–]my-redpillthrowaway -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          A woman wants a man who has other options, but will choose her instead.

          Totally agree with that. But I never would have guessed it works for such a higher number count too.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Who counts that high? I have no idea how many. I stopped counting a long time ago once I realize it wasn't a contest.

          [–]WittyFox 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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          Wow, I would be running at 10, before 10 actually. The more notches on his belt, the less chance I will consider him.

          [–]my-redpillthrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I can see where you are coming from but most women wouldn't mind 10 notches though

          [–]Overkillengine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          One would think that would be smart behavior, especially if a woman states that she wants a man that has good potential for a stable LTR.....

          But being red pill also means recognizing that for every woman that says this and actually follows through on it there are a shit ton more that observably do not.

          [–]WittyFox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Well, just my personal standards, which I have completely held to. I can't speak for everyone, but I can say I have never heard a woman speak of a guys sexual history as anything but a bad thing. That whole idea seems very strange to me. Course that's purely antidotal.

          [–]widec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I always felt like the term manwhore described someone who would have lots of sex, just with low quality women.

          [–]Goupidan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          Are men not entitled temperamental and selfish as well? I don't think there are gender differences for irritable behavior.

          [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Selfish definitely. Tempermental and entitled, not in the same way.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 9 points10 points  (6 children)

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          For example, the idea that women hit a "wall" right at age thirty and become desperate husband seekers. It's well and true that a woman's attractiveness declines after a certain point, but the variations make such a sweeping statement read more along the lines of, "we can't wait until all these bitches who rejected us aren't in their twenties anymore and can't get laid as easily-- who will be laughing THEN?"

          Oh, no, we don't think this. We merely think she's not likely to find precisely what she was looking for. She'll enter a marriage where she's likely to be unhappy basically. The simple fact is a woman is not attractive for her maturity. Any man who picks her at this age is likely overlooking the fact that her attractiveness has peaked and is going to decrease(unless she's in the habit of maintaining it well). Basically, our vision of supplicant behaviour. Someone with historically few options and is now settling with a woman who's also settling. This suggests things about his personality. This suggests a psychological basis for their relationship that doesn't bode well, given our thoughts of how attraction works and is sustained. Most partners picking each other at this age just have false expectations and terrible reasons for getting married.

          What happens past this point? Who knows.

          Maybe it will be a happily ever after. Maybe it'll lead to whatever it is that happens in the 50%+(higher depending on region) of marriages that end in divorce. Maybe it'll lead to whatever it is that leads to the majority of surviving marriages that experience declining sexual activity or the 20% that have experienced outright dead bedrooms past the 5 year mark. The depressing percentage that end up with abuse and infighting at one stage or another. The percentage of married couples who report they're unhappy(and the happiness reporting of married western women is depressingly low) or seek counselling... I could go on and on. I'm not even in anecdote territory yet. And you know, the divorce rate would actually be higher if it weren't for... well, the obvious reasons given in this following article.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/divorce-study_n_3618509.html

          Keep in mind, they're all part of the 50% who haven't yet split.

          In any case, we're not concerned with the women and where their lives go. We just prefer our marks to be less than 30.

          EDIT: Fixed quote. It takes whatever you have highlighted I think.

          [–]EasyChief 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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          Just to clear up a misconception, the stat that 50% of marriages end in divorce is taken out of context. What it's trying to say is that in a given year, the number of divorces is half the number of marriages. That statistic started in 1981 which saw 2.4m marriages and 1.2m divorces. However, they didn't take into account the existing 54m marriages in America.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Thanks for the correction. I'll leave the error in there for posterity but I will take care to keep the revision in mind in future. I still think though there are trends in both the dismal happiness reporting of women in modern marriages and divorce rates that are worth considering.

          While marriage older leads to greater economic freedom and lower divorce(see divorce study and earlier comment; starting over in the market is a game-changing worry), they result in every metric a less happy relationship. I'm at work at the moment but here is a article that compiles studies on this(more available on request).

          Wouldn't you say marrying before this "wall" is a better option for women?

          Keep in mind, I am intentionally avoiding mention of the males' interests POV.

          [–]EasyChief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Oh I completely agree, although from own perspective, marriage isn't something I think I'll consider until after I'm 30. I see that statistic pretty often here though and I'm hoping that more people start to see past this misconception.

          [–]novemberguest 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          You quoted something I did not say nor believe.

          And I'm 19, so I'm not coming from the angle of an older, aging woman.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Sorry, I accidentally added something else in the quote. And its alright, I'm not trying to attack you. I'm merely trying to add some reasoning that might make better sense to you.

          There is a lot of revenge fantasy among people who come here, but the red pill's observation about the wall is just that... an observation of the sexual marketplace.

          [–]theredpillager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          It may be worth noting that most of those marriage/divorce stats only look at first marriages. When 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. are factored in, divorce rates skyrocket. Way above 50% across the board. Modern marriages fail, period.

          [–]dejour 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I think a better way of putting it is: "Women are often treated by society as part-child part-adult. This leads women to act in a more childlike way than men on average."

          I don't see any reason to say that it is inherent in women's nature to be childlike. And there certainly are some women who are very independent, and some men who are very dependent.

          [–]SgtBrutalisk 3 points4 points  (8 children)

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          TRP is a safe space for men to vent, without being moderated for political correctness. Where else can you find such a safe space? I'm seriously asking, because I haven't seen one other than TRP.

          [–]novemberguest 6 points7 points  (6 children)

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          Nothing's wrong with venting (although if you're really looking for another "safe space", I guess 4chan is always an option?).

          I'm anti-censorship. In my post, I'm assuming, based upon the OP, TRP is trying to spread the ideology and clarify what TRP stands for-- which, according to OP, isn't hatred towards women.

          So it looks like people are using this site for conflicting reasons ("venting" vs. trying to spread reason and logic apropos to intersex relations). Either one's fine with me. I'm just responding to the original post and its intentions.

          [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Depends on what you want to vent about. For some topics TRP isn't safe at all, and MR is much safer.

          [–]theredpillager 0 points1 point  (10 children)

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          Of course many people, including myself at times, will turn away from this subreddit after repeatedly reading "women are essentially children in adult bodies; you cannot reason with them." This is inaccurate and if it's not a misogynist statement, I don't know what is. It seems to me that these sorts of comments are counterproductive as they give the impression that TRP posters are just bitter dudes who can't get laid and must vent their pent-up frustration online.

          It seems to me ...

          ... [these comments] give the impression that ...

          So, you admit it's just a feeling you have that "they are just bitter dudes who can't get laid".

          Fact is, after men accept that "women are essentially children in adult bodies", they actually get laid more by acting/responding appropriately to the behaviors with which they are confronted.

          edit: formatting

          [–]novemberguest -1 points0 points  (9 children)

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          I'm not sure of the exact stats on that, but the only women I know who are willing to get with guys who treat them like shit are women who hate themselves and have no direction in life.

          But hey, if that works for you and is what you want, go for it.

          [–]theredpillager 4 points5 points  (8 children)

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          guys who treat them like shit

          Whoa, whoa, whoa there. What kind of a guy treats children like shit? Project much?

          [–]novemberguest 3 points4 points  (7 children)

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          Treating an adult like a child is degrading aka treating someone like shit.

          Treating a child like a child is normal and expected.

          [–]theredpillager 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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          I don't know. Last night I treated a woman to a movie, comforted her when she needed it, held her hand while we walked and let her rest her head on my chest while we watched TV. Then she put my dick inside of her vagina. Would you say she likes being degraded?

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            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            Amen. Most human beings are idiots, regardless of gender. There's man-flavored idiocy and woman-flavored. My personal goal is to reduce my own idiocy and reap the benefits of that.

            [–]leodoestheopposite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            RP being anti-woman is the typical narrative of Feminism that strives to have an antagonistic and adversarial relationship between the two sexes.

            The Red Pill is about becoming a Confident Modern Male which is what most women (but not all) seem to want in their sexual partners, and then highlight that most women (but not all) want a different type of man for their long term life plans; therefore we have a choice, be the coveted sexual partner (code word: Alpha Fux), or be the coveted long term life partner (code word: Beta Bux).

            Choices is good.

            Effectively The Red Pill gives women a clearer view of who's who; a win-win situation for both sexes, working together our individual goals, at times these goals might be aligned, at times they might not be aligned, but at least there will be clarity.

            [–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I tried to introduce my brother to TRP after his recent break-up. Gave him a copy of the rational male book but he admitted he didn't even start reading because he doesn't want to become a woman hater.

            Problem is he is very good looking. He once had a paid for by insurance surgery (face) and while they were in there he could choose how he wanted to look afterwards and the difference was pretty great. Anyway he can get women regardless of his beta behavior also now after the break-up. Now his ex might want him back and he is seriously considering it. I suggested it was a bad idea but I will see what he does. One can hope for the best but we can see were it is going. Maybe I should write it down and seal it for him to open it when she finally takes the children and his money...No it's not magic, I told you so.

            [–]my-redpillthrowaway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            This post has been linked to /r/TheBluePill. Man, it's funny how they try to deny the truth.

            Also, am I the only one who thinks that the sub isn't funny at all?

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            They're just haters. Same as SRS, but with a veneer of civility.

            [–]oldschoolmailman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            This is what a lot of feminists don't understand about RP as a theory-

            It simply does a better of predicting social behavior than feminism

            The main project of feminism was to empower the feminine subject, to inject agency into her social position. The problem is that only some 19th century attitudes toward women have been preserved, the ones you won't hear feminists speaking about, particularly a completely unequal treatment under the law (/r/PussyPass)

            We end up with a dramatic increase in female freedom without any accountability whatsoever.

            This is the core of why so many men are frustrated at the moment, why so many are seeking out the RP.

            Excellent post OP.

            [–]MrRexels 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            You have no idea, I just went to post some slightly sociopathic joke in a videogame-related subreddit, and what do you know, some bluepill crusader though it was a normal thing to do to check my post history and call me out on being an evil redpillock who hates women. I haven't been banned yet but I'm waiting for it.

            Like seriously, I didn't even mention anything redpill-related! Holy fuck, they are actively hunting us like witches.

            [–]DocObvious_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I've said it before. I'm not anti-woman. I'm anti-bullshit, but it just so happens that women tend to give me the most of it.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            The "problem" with RP isn't the women, it's the men on Reddit who are flat-out assholes about it.

            [–]raceAround126 1 point2 points  (7 children)

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            I have to admit, it's easy to read parts of the Red Pill and instantly think misogyny. Whether the reaction is fueled by social conditioning, or occasionally reading the wrong post which is genuinely misogynistic or a per-determination that one is averse to changing.

            A lot of what is written here is stuff that I just found out naturally through the course of my life. Other parts were a great eye opener. If I can bullet point:

            • Women get a better deal at work: It's just true. I've been a manager in four different companies over the last seven years. There have been numerous occasions where this is just plain downright true! OK, I admit, I have a penis, I like seeing a good looking woman in the office. Even better if she has some talent. But I do object to having to select a woman for a particular role or task simply to keep a HR checksheet in order. It really does bother me!

            • With relationships, a woman is just about the worst person any man can ask for advice from! We've all done it. How many of us have had the, "Oh be yourself, be nice, blah blah". And it got you... yep, nowhere! I swallowed that advice every time I heard it. And damn, was I a sucker for it!

            • Women like sex: It's true. I never would have believed it. Though I find the terminology a little off putting, I'm spinning three plates right now! I like fucking them, some spending more time with than others, and it's pretty cool.

            • A woman likes a dominant man: I think this is where people look at TRP and decide, "Oh they're all woman haters and manipulators!". I manipulate nobody and I don't go to the effort of training my body, my mind and my bank account because I hate women! If I hated women so much, I'd fuck men! And I manipulate nobody. OK, there's a front and there's a lot that's different about me now compared to a year ago, but it's not for the sole purpose of manipulating anybody. All three of my girls knows the others exists, they know I will go out and chat up other girls and they keep coming back. I lie to none of them, though am selective what I actually tell them about me and that's that. That is not woman hating, that's just being a person minding their own damned business.

            • Women react differently to men dependent on approach: This is the big "game" we keep talking about. Game comes in many forms. And men aren't the only animals that play the game! Women have plenty game themselves! Their game is to make men chase them so they can drop them (isn't that manipulation in itself too?). A man's game is to fuck up a woman's game, make her chase him. Works 100% of the time!

            • TRP is not about fooling women into sleeping with men!! Let's get down to brass tacks. Most men are here because they want to fuck women who want to fuck them!. I came from a complete bollocks of a relationship. It took me 8 years to figure out this girl liked my money, liked my jokes, liked my abilities to provide, but didn't like fucking me. I didn't handle it well. Part of my confusion was that she told me she loved me and loved fucking me. How I was meant to interpret that differently, well, I just wasn't mentally prepared for that one. Men, very simple creatures, things are black and white. Women, layers upon layers! I could have taken it hard, I didn't. I cut her off and got with girls who did want to fuck me. And that, to me, is part of what TRP enables a man to do. Become the best version of yourself so when you're in a situation, if a girl likes what she sees and you come correct, then A + B = C!

            • Rejection really isn't that big a deal. I used to take it personally. Sometimes, the rejections were harsh and humiliating. Yes, amazingly, girls can sometimes be outright fucking cunts! That doesn't mean I hate all women, just there are some real cunts out there, just like there are some men who are real assholes! TRP taught me that rejection isn't the end of the world and if a girl tries to show you up, just agree, amplify, walk away! I've done it more than a few times and thought nothing of leaving a girl looking stupid who tried her damnest to make me look stupid. Funnily enough, sometimes that same girl would hit on me later in the night and I'd just totally blow her off. I didn't take any pleasure in it, I just didn't care! She had her chance, she blew it. How many times have women said that about men? You hear it all the time in zeh movies :)

            • Subscribing to TRP doesn't mean you have to be a constant asshole: I'm cool to everyone! My work colleagues got me the most amazing housewarming gift ever. I wish I could say details but I don't want to be identified. But needless to say, it was touching! I can't remember many bosses I've worked for where I've gotten on with them on a personal level in order to go to the efforts my guys did for me! Added to that, I only rarely have to pull rank and when I do, they know I mean it and they know I'm not being a prick to them.

            Anyway, that's my take on things. TRP gets a bad rep simply because I feel it's mainly blue pill guys who are in complete denial. I know, I used to be 100% blue pill. In fact, I bet while most are responding to whatever terribleness they've picked out on TRP, they have some girl right in the front of their minds who has friend-zoned them completely and utterly!

            Either that, or the feminazis are out to play! I don't respond kindly to feminists. It's not because I hate women, I just have yet to find any of them putting forward a cogent argument of any description which didn't amount to female privilege and man hating! In other words, the very thing they lambast TRP for...

            [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            This is a top ten post of all time and needs to be on the sidebar under: "Is The Red Pill about hating women?"

            Answer: NO! However the reality is that some people, especially newly unplugged people are pissed off about being lied to and taken advantage of there entire lives. Western women today are sure as hell giving the 'haters' a LOT to work with.

            [–]MuzakNinja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I'm new to this sub. After reading this, I think I'm going to stick around for a while. Fantastic post.

            [–]blameitonmoi 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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            There is no need to justify the movement. Anything and anyone that doesn't put women on a pedestal and doesn't afford them special treatment is deemed "anti-woman" these days. Thinking that you can somehow convince them that we're not anti-woman without actually ruining TRP is futile. What TRP teaches (in my opinion) is to put yourself first, respond to a woman's actions appropriately, and don't let her play you. What they want is the exact opposite: put the needs of the woman first, a woman's every action is a reaction to something bad that you've done so you need to fix yourself, and you have to play their game and take it.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Agreed. That's why I posted this here, instead of somewhere else. It was intended to be a post for newer RP-ers, to understand why things are the way they are here.

            [–]chainlinks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            Best post I've seen on TRP yet. Hope to hear more from you.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks, that means a lot. Two of my favorite posters are /u/Whisper and /u/Archwinger. Both have great insight and a no-nonsense writing style.

            [–]2asd1100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            TRP is basically as anti female as glossy mags are anti male, but due to the taboo notion that men have agency in a relationship and can want more from a woman than just ocasional acces to a vagina is so out of the cultural norm that it instantly raises the heresy alert.

            Now a attractive woman knows the game, she will understand where we are coming from and we don't really play in the same legue until we do and we become her target. An average woman that has a shity college degree and a fucked up past is threatened by trp because it directly affects her chances of being elegible for a beta boy that will take her when the sexual market is tired of her. She knows the beta will be getting a the shitty prolapsed deal, but she knows the guy is to whipped to care about quality.

            TRP is "killing of" dudes that will take anything that is available. If the red pill becomes mainstream along the lines of libertarianism, more mainstream than than would be imposible, I guarantee you that there will be age gap limitation for marriage, due to the high number of undatable "proud single feminists" in their 30s. All these sluts, will grow old in 15 years, think what how that will reflect in your countries politics.

            [–]limem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            What the fuck are you talking about, in Asia women literally cut off their husbands dick if they cheat

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            Who cares what anyone else thinks?

            [–]sasaraix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Redpill knowledge make relationship stronger. Why are we anti-female?

            [–]ohsweetword 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I find it annoying that this needs to be stated. Only manic idiots who are on the far-far left, or beta boys who think attacking the RP will gain them pussy points, say that we hate women.

            It sounds like an apology for being intelligent.

            Modern feminism is wrong and broken and I won't accept it. That's all I need to say on that subject.

            [–]pennyscan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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            The problem with feminism is the use of state violence (law) to attack men, and using the generally more submissive reputation of women as a shield from retaliation. They have increased their lawful status to the cost of their moral status.

            [–]Ferelden -1 points0 points  (6 children)

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            The red pill isn't anti woman. I'd wager 75% of the people who frequently roam here absolutely are. Try making a fake account and making anti woman statements on one of our many, many anti feminism threads and watch how many up votes you receive. If you're not top comment you'll be close.

            [–]2asd1100 9 points10 points  (5 children)

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            Feminist are fair game, this is one of the few places on the internet where you DON't get hated for expressing your frustration with gynocentrism.

            Also people need to vent, a lot of men once they swallow the pill notice how pussy priviledge effects their day to day life, issues that where passed of as just "oh you know how girls are" or "but she is a woman" now reek of social injustice, especially when it comes from and towards "pro equality" feminists.

            Mentioning this in real life gets you labeled a misogynist which in some parts is worst than being a racist, because unlike race equality preferential treatment in women has always existed and was naver contested, because "your mom and your SO are women". So venting is perfectly understandable.

            [–]aussydog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Well said sir. Have an upvote.

            [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            Many newbies start in phase where they genuinely hate women. Imagine if someone you knew had been lying to you, controlling you, and taking advantage of you for most of your adult life.

            I have a issue with this, I never seen someone hate women, I mean truly hate women. I seen men hate individual woman, but to hate women would mean you actively seek out random strangers to hurt or cause pain.

            Feminist put to many words in men's mouth and the last thing we need is to agree with them for the sake of argument.

            [–]RedPillJohnny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            You have a good point...I wasn't in a hate women phase when I first swallowed the redpill, I was in a I am fucking angry because I have been jilted phase...which then can easily look like misogyny, especially in writing.

            [–]Kakistokratic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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            Amen to all of it! But I have to ask. Do you also mean that Men's right activists who fight against more leanient sentencing for women and such, are just blue pill guys? I mean I feel like I've gotten past the anger phase of the generic day to day pedestalizing of women and passed on to amusement. But some of this pussypass shit still gets to me...

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            Before I say anything else, I admire the heck out of those MRA's. They're literally fighting the good fight.

            Unfortunately, I think their efforts are futile. This "feminism" thing didn't happen by accident -- it was deliberate. That's all I'll say for now, except to recommend that if you want to know more, watch the documentary, "Century of Self."

            So are those guys bluepill? In my opinion yes, because they still buy into the feminist reality enough to fight it. The true RP way is to IGNORE it.

            [–]LS_D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            "Century of Self."

            yeah! 100+ years ago, after the suffragettes stopped fucking their husbands to force them to pas a bill/law/act or something, the boys began a typical Machiavellian plan to make women robots ... who wouldn't know how to say 'no' to a 'sexy man'

            [–]subcover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            RP is partly about taking women off the gravy train of betas buying stuff for them, helping them at work, and marrying them after the alphas don't return their texts any more. Without those betas acting as supporters and shock absorbers, life would be insecure for these women!

            And to want that is misogynistic!

            Even though some women have the ethics of being willing to give that up, still, what about the ones that aren't? We musn't (gasp) shame them!

            [–]Median2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Well said, I think TRP gets a bad rap sometimes but you summed up the problem nicely.

            [–]lloopy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            When there's no filter, and the anger is about something long-term, emotions will be expressed.

            [–]eagleclaw457 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            well written. As a child we are always brought up to view adults as people that can do no wrong. but as you get older we see that people in general are fucked up; men and women. People do the meanest things to each other. Men and women are ruthless in different directions though. thats where I struggle to learn.

            [–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Imagine if someone you knew had been lying to you, controlling you, and taking advantage of you for most of your adult life.

            But that's even the case at all. The real problem is us idealizing women as these supernatural empathetic being that they aren't. Women are just as shitty as men are.

            It's like believing that Bill Gates knows you, cares about you and event loves you deeply. The reality is that he doesn't even give a flying fuck about you. And it's not because he's evil... it's just because he doesn't.

            [–]uhot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            "AWALT" is hate. All women do share certain characteristics. That's what makes them women. But the term "AWALT" does not define these. The term "Woman" does.

            It is not hate to say all women are hypergamists. Right or wrong that's not hate. It's an assertion. But AWALT takes the idea of making this assertion and abstracts it so it can be used for anything. It means something different to each person but does not have a well defined definition of its own. I agree with much of what is said here but as long as AWALT is a core concept of TRP I must consider TRP hateful.

            [–]JoeyJoeJoeShabadou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Women are angelicized ruthlessly in the media. They are put on a pedestal, they are forgiven of heinous crimes, and they are generally presented as beings who can do no wrong. When they ARE shown as doing wrong, their agency is removed. She "couldn't help herself." She "made mistakes." Or, here's a good one: "a bad man was controlling her!"

            When Paul Bernardo (serial killer) got engaged last week, someone at work brought up Karla Holmoka (his accomplice). She was surprised to find out that Karla had long since been released, got married, moved to a different country, and started a family. But then she tried to explain to me that Karla was as much a victim as the 4 young women she help drug, torture, and murder - because she had a big, mean man controlling her.

            lol. No.

            [–]thisisboring 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            I've only recently been visiting TRP, and my initial reaction so far has been that a lot of posts and comments are anti-women.

            TRP is a safe place to share the negative aspects of women

            This is refreshing, given that in society many negative traits of women are taboo to criticize. Even so, I wouldn't say this is completely true:

            They are put on a pedestal, they are forgiven of heinous crimes, and they are generally presented as beings who can do no wrong.

            Women are unfairly criticized in society in some ways. For example, they are often seen as overly emotional and irrational. Anyway, that's not my main point...

            There is a lot of generalizing that goes on in TRP (that I've seen so far) and a lot of unfounded accusations about the bad nature of women. Men and women are different, but that's only an average. Many men have lots of feminine qualities and many women have lots of masculine qualities. Many of the men on TRP take something that a women has done or said (somebody in the media or somebody they know) and both automatically interpret it as bad, even if there are very plausible alternative explanations, and assert that all or most women are that way.

            There is definitely a line between sharing negative aspects commonly found in the behavior of women (that can't be voiced elsewhere) and being misogynistic. From what I've seen so far, that line is frequently crossed in TRP

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            There is definitely some misogyny happening here.

            I think a lot of that is just guys "getting it out of their system." Men and women annoy each other -- that's a fact of life. However, women are allowed to vent all they want, while guys are shamed for doing it.

            When they discover TRP, they have finally found a safe space to vent about women. They become like a kid in a candy store who was never allowed any sweets before: they go nuts and gorge themselves. "Yeah, fuck women, hypergamous bitches, AWALT, blah blah blah."

            It feels GOOD to do that, because men have legitimate angers and frustrations that we've been shamed into keeping bottled up.

            Honestly, people make too big a deal of out it. "Look how misogynistic TRP is! That is absolutely awful!" No, no it's not. It's just guys venting. Women are allowed to say some horrifically sexist things, and we let it go.

            [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            TRP has /r/RedPillWomen

            End of discussion

            [–]JohnnK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            The truth is, most of the veteran RPers LOVE women. I love women. Feminine energy is amazing; it's the perfect complement to masculinity. I hope to one day settle down with the right women and start a family.

            That's the issue. Most of us, I know this is true for myself and my friends, love feminine women. The issue is, western women are becoming more and more masculine. They are more interested in fighting, cussing, and acting like wild animals than ladies, which is repulsive to most of us.

            IMO, feminists and government are the largest factors for the decline of our society. I am indeed 'anti' feminism and government. There is VERY rarely anything positive that comes from either.

            [–]gibusyoursandviches -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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            It's not just a question of "well... some women are good and some are bad!" In the west, the entire tide has shifted towards bad.

            Quite the generalization there.

            [–]Prattler26 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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            RP is about making women happy, so they don't act out their unhappiness and destroy the relationship. How can making women happy be anti-women?!

            [–]BCFtrip -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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            I fucking love women. They can be so impossibly tough and driven that its infuriating, but I love that. They are a whole other side of humanity. If everyone had more or less the cold logic of the average mature man the world would be boring.