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[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 117 points118 points  (6 children)

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[–]IamAwaken 43 points44 points  (3 children)

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I almost rolled on the floor laughing at the end: "0prah isn't even a mother!"

It'd be nice if men could get some fucking credit just once. Even Father's Day is a joke in many rights.

Unfortunately this is just how things are. Women have a strong sisterhood that is practically a bigoted political party. Men can't hold any position against it without being a comedian or similar intity that isn't persecuted for saying outlandish ideas.

[–]themanbat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Women do have a bigoted political party. Feminism. But don't lose heart. I understand that only between 20 and 26% of women actually identify as feminist. Feminists are just a very very loud and obnoxious bigoted minority.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Loud enough to get the majority, the mainstream media and public officials pandering to them through legislation and false promises.

It's a long road ahead, but not an endless one.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 102 points103 points  (40 children)

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Not to stir shit up for you but 1 kid is easy as hell to take care of. Get five of them with their own destructive capabilities. Also the monotony of cleaning up after so many spills day in and day out starts to fuck with your brain.

It is still by far not the hardest job in the world but you doing it one day with 1 kid is fucking easy. No need to brag about that.

[–]weag5l 12 points13 points  (9 children)

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Not to stir shit up for you but 1 kid is easy as hell to take care of.

Well that depends... I get the impression the upper class single kid is much more of a workload. I mean... piano lessons, sports leagues, etc. typical helicopter parents stuff. The question is, how did this come about, and is all of this necessary.

I personally think it just stresses out and fucks kids up.

[–]Panzer_Geist 10 points11 points  (7 children)

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Diamonds are made under pressure. If you never apply pressure on your children you're gonna end up with lazy, average kids.

[–]Michaelangelo12345 7 points8 points  (5 children)

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Just be sure to not apply too much pressure, or it might fuck them up mentally.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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Imperfect diamond here, Checking in. Hahaha. Nah seriously though my parents were strict to the point where I moved out at 18 and didnt look back. It does fuck you up, cause now they're trying again with my little brother who's ten years younger than me, and he's a fucking genius. Kudos to them on trial and error cause I'm still doing pretty well for myself for someone my age. Luckily they took me and my kid in when her mom peaced the fuck out. And they're amazing with my daughter. So there is redemption possible

[–]Panzer_Geist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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I had the opposite experience. I grew up in a working class neighborhood where nobody ever expected much out of their kids. Ever since my friends were really young they "knew" that they wanted to do the same thing that their dads were doing. Now, there's nothing wrong with blue collar work but the way I see it you get this one life. This one chance to create something out of it. It's an incredible waste to put it into some 9-5 that you hate anyway.

For me it had the opposite effect. I saw people downtown driving nice cars, I saw the beautiful million dollar homes. I didn't even care that much about the material stuff in the end - I just saw them as markers for success. I was motivated fear. By fear of being stuck in that same neighborhood. Getting married to some high school sweetheart. It wasn't for me. I wanted to conquer the world.

Since nobody had ever pressured me to do anything more than average - I had to learn to pressure myself. That's difficult to do - as you all know - you are your own works critic. So of course I went over board.

I still have a reoccurring nightmare at least once every week where I'm back where I started. If my parents had pressured me I think they would have been able to balance it much better. A little bit of carrot and a little bit of whip.

[–]Michaelangelo12345 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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Looks like you had success. I'm glad for you, man. Well done.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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It wasnt easy, but someone had to step up right?

[–]Michaelangelo12345 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Of course. In regards to that, we both succeeded.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I see your point and agree with ya.

[–]writewhereileftoff 27 points28 points  (13 children)

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Yeah they should try being a single mom with 5kids and a fulltime job. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these women.

I can't sympathise with complaining mothers that have 1kid & drive their husbands bmw to the manicure/barber shop/gucci store.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 53 points54 points  (12 children)

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Yeah they should try being a single mom with 5kids and a fulltime job. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these women.

Do not respect a woman who voluntarily made a lifetime full of mistakes. The government is supporting those kids, not her. She doesn't have a fulltime job. If she did, the income would reduce her benefits. Hell, daycare would cost more than she'd make. She is a parasite.

I've encountered too many of these women. 9 out of 10 didn't get into this situation due to some tragic misfortune. Just proud stupidity and repeating the same bad choices over and over again. Drugs, alcohol and the carousel. An entire lifetime of refusing to consider consequences of their actions. Not just for themselves, but their children.

If you're going to respect anyone, take a look at her eldest son or daughter. Chances are they're the one really keeping this shit afloat. Taking care of the younger kids, and probably mom too.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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Fuck yeah dude. I'm a single dad who has custody and isnt relying on the government. Needless to say I live with my parents cause my daughter's school costs the same as it would cost me to rent a two bedroom. Priorities.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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Subscribe to r/RedPillParenting -- new sub and not very active, but hoping that changes.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I didnt know that was a thing. Im kinda pumped it is cause ive gotten some phenominal parenting advice from yall.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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As a single dad in the same boat, all I have to say is WORD.

[–]CaptainGlobal 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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If you're going to respect anyone, take a look at her eldest son or daughter. Chances are they're the one really keeping this shit afloat. Taking care of the younger kids, and probably mom too.

I've seen this first-hand, and would like to agree with your analysis.

[–]Average_Black_Man 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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I personally know a woman with 5 kids and a fulltime job. Was it a mistake caused by stupidity/ignorance? Yes, probably, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she manages to do it. I would say that deserves some mad respect.

[–]CBarnacle 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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Respect for dealing with the consequences of her own actions? Maybe - but in truth that's just being an adult.

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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Rare is the woman who rises to the challenge. If she has, then you should respect her. As the other comment says, she's demonstrated she is a responsible adult.

I know a few who match your description as well, but they are a tiny minority. That's why my post very clearly said "9 out of 10."

But the other 90% are riding on their coattails. Claiming they're working just as hard. That is bullshit. Another blue pill fairy tale. They are not responsible adults and they do not deserve respect.

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    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This discussion is on single mothers with FIVE kids. Totally different situation. Much rarer cases, and far less deviation.

    [–]LovesBigWords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Fucking A, so much YES. I can't believe how much I got bitched at for not having babies.

    Just because I own an operate a uterus, does NOT mean I have kuds I cannot fucking afford.

    Don't fuck degenerate idiots. Don't breed with them. Use condoms, bc, morning after pill, abort.

    Don't fucking expect me to CHEER ON you fucking up your life when I actively chose not to, Single Moms.

    So much fucking irresponsible horseshit.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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    It is still by far not the hardest job in the world but you doing it one day with 1 kid is fucking easy. No need to brag about that.

    I wouldn't mind another kid, but my wife throws a shit fit at the thought of it. Just having one is driving her insane! She says that unless I quit working out in the mornings and start getting our kid ready for day care and driving her there, and take off of work early at least a few days a week to pick her up, there's no way she can keep up with another. I'm too much of a selfish loser. I started thinking about what my wife actually does around the house, and she does two things: getting the kid ready in the morning and driving her to day care, and picking her up.

    Granted, my wife works, but it's a part time job from home. Her income's important to us. We could live on my salary, but hers is the difference between living comfortably without having to count dollars if we feel like going out to eat this weekend, and fighting every five minutes about the budget. So I guess she's saving our marriage.

    [–]unassuming_aussie 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    Man, sounds like my ex, then she got pregnant again so we had two. And twice the whining (and I did make damn good money, but worked 60hrs a week).

    Long story short, we split and I had to fight for access to the kids. I have the kids most of the time now while running a small consultancy biz and working full time in real estate. All that you hear about how hard single mums have it is total crap. I get no child support or government help (by choice to be honest), and admittedly mine are now teenagers, but that brings it's own special set of problems lol.

    If your wife can't get it together with just one, then she is still a child throwing tantrums and needs to woman up!

    [–]CBarnacle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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    So she wants you to add to your daily workload while reducing hers. And you're the one calling yourself selfish?

    [–]Problematiqu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    She's full of shit. I work full time from home with two kiddos under the age of four, no daycare, no babysitters. Husband is gone 90% of the time driving a semi. It's about having a good workflow and schedule.

    Once you've got one, having more doesn't really make it that much harder. The hardest part about being a mother is knowing that you have zero time to yourself. 1 or 3, the time to yourself is still zero. Just had a new baby on top of already having a toddler who is still unable to speak or potty. I'm not frazzled.

    You want another kid, that's not selfish. That's natural. And legitimate. Tell her to suck it up.

    [–]Air4ce1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    If you made more money she'd really have no reason to complain.

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    I was thinking the same thing, one kid is cake, even if it's a mess maker, two kids plus friends plus company is just fucking crazy and my wife get's through most of those situations pretty well.

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      [–]nourathrowway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      2 is still easy, especially once potty traimed.

      [–]Captain_Unremarkable -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

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      Who needs 5 kids?

      Can we acknowledge that there are 7 billion people on the planet, some are homeless, about 1 billion are starving right now, some are orphans or from abusive homes? Having children beyond 1 son and 1 daughter is greedy if not irresponsible.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      You need to produce 2.5 children on average just to maintain the old population. Let me guess your plan to import millions of illegal immigrants to make up for the loss of population?

      BTW: The ENTIRE population of Earth could comfortably fit in the State of Texas with about 2/3 the population density of London Then the rest of the world could be empty with your 2-Child policy.

      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      True, but if every world citizen lived as the average American, we would need 4.1 earths to sustain the human population.

      [–]LovesBigWords 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Why in the hell is Mr. Unremarkable being downvoted?! I have thought this for years!

      You. I like you.

      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      Awh thanks man, I feel liked :)

      So if I post an opinion that is unpopular on TRP, by transitive property is it a popular opinion?

      [–]LovesBigWords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      No idea. I just know that it's a very unpopular idea amongst women, and my decision not to breed makes me feel like a martian.

      Also men are wigged out by it.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      IF A=B and B=C then A=C.

      If A= popular public opinion and B= TRP unpopular opinions and C= unpopular public opinions

      Then A =//= C even if A=B because then B =//= C.

      [–]altra_hex 180 points181 points  (83 children)

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      It's basically nanny/maid work. If it was really the "hardest job in the world" or some nonsense like that, then nannies and maids would get paid a whole lot more than they actually do.

      It boils down to it being unskilled labor. Women who use their taking care of the house and kids for years are hamstering so that they can justify something they want to do.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 156 points157 points  (73 children)

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      No kidding. I could clean three or four houses a day at this rate, though it would be shit money.

      I'd be better off marrying some rich girl and cleaning just her house and getting half of her assets and income. I don't even really need to like her that much. I mean, I wouldn't have to fuck her all that often, and there's plenty of extra time left in the day to fuck other women, which is super exhausting, so by the time she gets home, I'll actually look tired and be able to tell her that keeping house all day is a tough job.

      [–]Dark_Shroud 60 points61 points  (51 children)

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      Then you buy a Roomba and suddenly you have even more free time.

      I'm starting to think men are inventing these robots to have even less need for a woman in the home.

      [–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (41 children)

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      Wait till the sex robots. Society will implode.

      [–]bluedrygrass 55 points56 points  (10 children)

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      For real. Who ever will want to go with females while you can have a perferct robot one, one with a good behavior, highly feminine, good phisique, and good at sex?

      Joking, but not so much. There already are an impressive amount of men that prefers porn to real women.

      [–]Notberyimaginative 29 points30 points  (5 children)

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      There'll always be a nagging guilt about not getting the real thing. Biology is a bitch.

      [–]LernersLostEmails 31 points32 points  (0 children)

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      Yes, the social validation and sense of purpose that comes from having a "real relationship" will always be there. However, technology is closing the gap between masturbation and a "real relationship" from one side, while feminism is closing the gap from the other side.

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        [–]Notberyimaginative 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        Sorry, but there's still a social shame on computer gaming, it's just not as prominent.

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          [–]Notberyimaginative 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Like I said, it's not as bad as it used to be, but it's still there, particularly among the 'popular' crowd.

          [–]kratol -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

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          Pffft, Sex robots are not going to be some sort of passable human AI simulation in the next 15-20 years, because there isn't one that even approaches it yet anywhere today.

          Consumer PCs have improved from the year 2000 for example, but fundamentally it's all the same stuff. You could get 2014 level computer graphics if you were willing to spend enough money on a computer farm back in the year 2000. You cannot get that kind of human simulation even if you paid $1 billion for the hardware today.

          You will have robots that can create fluid animal movement patterns and probably could dance as well as a ballerina in 15-20 years, but the 'feminine' human behavior wont be there unless it's basic body language cues.

          Maybe you can do something that would approximate an animal cat or similar, since we do not communicate with them and only understand them psychologically as external animals. And whats even worse, you'll need perfection or you get the uncanny valley effect.

          So sex bots will be animal ballerina dancers with not-quite-human flesh. They wont be something you could interact with as a human being or have traits of 'femininity' other than in animalistic body language.

          [–]Cryocasm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I think inventing a beer-fetching robot would be a higher priority.

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            [–]elevul 7 points8 points  (17 children)

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            Because they think of that as very long term changes, so the focus on short term game (10-15 years), which they don't think will change much.

            The problem is that technology and science is accelerating so fast that in 15 years things might be a lot different from now.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 17 points18 points  (16 children)

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            The problem is that technology and science is accelerating so fast that in 15 years things might be a lot different from now.

            This should not be taken lightly.

            Planning for the future is important now more than ever. This is not science fiction. Sex robots may change relationship dynamics, but long before then, you'll probably be out of a job.

            Within the past 40 years, the sexual marketplace has become unrecognizable, with the effects of feminism becoming apparent. Over the next 15-20 years, its going to change even more(technological growth is accelerates). More women getting jobs and educ ation, followed by automation is going to be followed by a stark decrease in demand for you.

            The world doesn't owe you shit. Make yourself valuable.

            Just like archwinger pointed out numerous times, having a woman in your life in this day and age isn't worth it. Well, the same may become true for you as well. And not just to women.

            [–]elevul 6 points7 points  (15 children)

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            Luckily we also have the prospect of /r/BasicIncome coming as well, so making yourself valuable might hold a completely different meaning in a future where the role of a provider is meaningless.

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              [–]Meterus 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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              Yes, I want to fuck pointy-eared alien wimmen.

              [–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              The thing about Star Trek's future is that it was preceded by a global nuclear war and societal collapse...

              [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              Are you doing your part?

              Not as much as I'd like to yet, but hopefully within 10 years I'll be contributing to BCI research myself.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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              Wait till the sex robots. Society will implode.

              Nah, long before robots get dextrous enough for sex and affordable enough for you, they'll be employed large-scale in industry and by businesses. And in much more powerful forms too(industry is rich). They'll outsource men from the work place very fast.

              This is just pragmatic, I'm afraid. Robotics as a field has tremendous potential for changing the world. There have been numerous studies done on what the effects of ending the demand for unskilled labour will have. All of them return quite unbelievable scenarios.

              On a related note, if you're doing any job that is even relatively unskilled, start working on getting out. Hypergamy demands you keep up, and it might get quite hard as time goes on.

              Keep your head in the game, gentlemen. Revenge fantasies help no one.

              [–]idreamofkitty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              Technology has been replacing manpower since the industrial revolution. Yet employment is at or near historical highs.

              This is because humans have always kept their edge (fluid intelligence).

              I would worry more about the day the robots become smarter than the average human.

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              My fear with this line of thinking is, and it's kind of off topic for TRP, but how long will it take for robots to replace skilled labor? It's already happening to a degree in manufacturing. Maybe that extra degree and specialized skills buys an extra generation of 40 hour weeks but with the rate of technology improving, by the time we have sexbots or robot nannies or robot illegal immigrants building houses and staffing our kitchens, I'm afraid robot doctors, lawyers, and engineers aren't far off.

              I think we'll see and are already seeing an indirect universal basic income with the combination of welfare, subsidized student loans, subsidized healthcare, and white collar welfare where government subcontracts stuff out to big companies to build stuff we don't need and only to inflate GDP and keep people employed. Those 19 aircraft carriers paid for a lot of engineers mansions and god knows how many boob jobs for their wives. Imo we'll keep giving out more handouts to increasingly more specialized areas of society. The robot owners will profit a ton. But they'll get taxed and like it as keeping the proles from rioting by allowing them the privilege of owning the iPhone 60 keeps them from rioting and lets the robot owners keep making money. At least thats my long term thoughts on the coming robot revolution.

              [–]Tarkleigh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              True, robots will hit men first and largely harder (since there are more men in unskilled labor / manual work) but afterwards it gets interessting. When it comes to automating skilled labor, the first thing to go are administrative tasks (HR, Bookkeeping, secreterial work, store clerks etc), since they are simple and repetetiv. And who does this kind of job? Women! It is the only thing they can do with their art or communication degress and they will be totally unprepared for the coming change.

              It will be a lot harder for many of them to support themselves, which likely will affect the game. I guess a lot of them will be looking for a provider once the first automation wave hits (of course they could also learn a real, hard-to-automate job, but we all know how likely that is), so this might make it easier for the men who still have a job. Will necessity make them respect providers more? I doubt it, but if you want to pump and dump and have a good job, I see a lot of desperate women coming your way :)

              [–]elevul 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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              Or immersive virtual reality.

              [–]abcd_z 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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              Contrary to popular opinion, full immersion virtual reality porn will not cause the collapse of society.

              Full-immersion virtual reality porn achievement points will.

              [–]Stinkfished 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Japan seems too be facing that problem and it's not going well.

              [–]jolly--roger 1 point2 points  (6 children)

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              Roomba is noisy like an obnoxious feminist on her period and if not blocked, it can fall down the stairs. Not recommended.

              //edit: don't you worry guys, I know the idea behind the Roomba & equivalents. I prefer the remote control anyway

              [–]DocTomoe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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              The idea is making it run while you're at work - and setting off those fancy light gates in front of dangerous areas (=stairs)

              [–]bullshadow 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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              Well if you live in an apartment, you can have it run while you are at work or out in the park or in the gym. Problem solved.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              Why is an apartment necessary for that?

              [–]elevul -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              The roomba itself it's not very reliable, but there are other automatic cleaning robots that are far better (and cheaper).

              [–]sunnydelish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Roomba invention team was led by a woman - Helen Greiner.

              [–]Teabaginz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Roombas suck ass though. Always getting stuck, clogged, all around not working.

              [–]jackp0t08 9 points10 points  (8 children)

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              Idk, my parents pay a housekeeper $60 to come clean/vacuum the floors and dust/wipe the other surfaces. She can do 3 houses in a normal work day. You make $20 an hour at least with a job that requires no human interaction or critical thinking. Why did I go to college again?

              [–]Meterus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              Why did I go to college again?

              So you would have a job that couldn't easily be replaced by a robot.

              [–]elevul 7 points8 points  (5 children)

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              Why did I go to college again?

              So you have a job that keeps your brain functional, instead of letting it rot.

              [–]the_real_chronos 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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              Tell that to those stuck in an office doing shit all day.

              [–]RickSHAW_Tom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              My college advertises its frolf course more than academics. That should have been a sign.

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              You can also make a ton of money being a garbage man, sewer worker, or plumber, without having any of the skills you learned in college. College isn't supposed to be job training, it's supposed to be education for the sake of education, because you want to learn more about a subject than you possibly could by yourself and discuss/challenge your ideas with a body of other learned people.

              However, college is now Highschool v1.5

              [–]Bangeo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Wow doesn't that all sound familiar.

              [–]MyRedAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              It actually makes decent money for some locales. Where I live I see $18/hour advertised every spring, and $10-24/hr is normal. $24/hr is good money here. That's almost average for a family throughout the country, factoring in D.C. area(government), N.Y.C area(finance), California and Washington(Internet), and Texas and Louisiana(Oil).

              If I didn't hate doing it, and didn't have a really strong nose, I'd consider it. My father, who's purple pill(deep red in some ways, and baby blue in others), has tried the kept man route several times. He likes it.

              [–]Newbosterone 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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              No kidding. I could clean three or four houses a day at this rate, though it would be shit money.

              For basically unskilled labor? The going rate here, if you're working for yourself, is $15 - 20 per hour, often off the books. If it's done by someone working for an agency, they're making $10 - $15, and paying taxes. Hell, my son was making that as a beginning roofer.

              [–]sweetkandio71 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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              The going rate here is $35 an hour. I work 6 hours a day....5 days a week....spend 2 hours on the weekend cleaning my house and the rest of the time.....read this reddit and stay 5 steps ahead of my husband every single day. Thanks for the education....I'm a much happier wife.

              [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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              Yeah. Shit money. Better off marrying one rich woman. One fourth the work, like ten times the money.

              [–]Newbosterone 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              Well, to be fair, most unskilled jobs pay shit nowadays. I was comparing it to minimum wage jobs like folding shirts at The Gap.

              Get skills or take chances if you want to earn more than minimum...

              [–]Entrefut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              Honestly you don't even need to take risks. If you go into a company and show that you know how to control people, make sales and do your job, you'll move up very very quickly.

              [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Well when you think about it, that's exactly what hotel maids do - clean multiple places a day. Granted each is smaller than a house but there are lot more of them per day too.

              [–]Kalepsis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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              Yeah, I don't see a lot of housemoms dying of blacklung from mining, or getting crushed by a bulldozer while building a highway overpass. Hell, I figured it was pretty difficult to be a live-wire electrical technician, crawling off a helicopter skid onto an electrical cable 75 feet in the air to do maintenance on the power grid, but no, I guess wearing sweatpants and cleaning a house while a kid watches spongebob is much more difficult.

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                [–]BoyMeetsHarem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                ...and occasionally, grudgingly spreading their legs for an unattractive supplicating slob who they despise. Until their femtroll friends convince them they're being taken advantage of and are not haaaaaaaappy...

                [–]cooltrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Sometimes, when I hear feminists demanding prostitution legalization, I tell them: "hey, legalized prostitution has a name: it's called marriage. Although prostitution and marriage are not entirely identical; the prostitute will charge you money just for giving you her body; but the wife gives you sandwiches as well as her body".

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Being a nanny/maid isn't "hard," but it's a exhausting as fuck. I'm pretty sure that's what OP means. There's plenty of exhausting, soul-draining jobs that pay next to nothing. In fact, it seems most of them do.

                [–]DasWood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Salary cap on nannies is actually quite high. Of course those are 24/7 nannies who speak multiple languages and when not busy with cooking for the entire family, cleaning, handling the child, et al is teaching or doing hard work.

                Your run of the mill nanny will never make the 200K+ a year the nanny described above does.

                [–]100Timeswww 30 points31 points  (3 children)

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                It's most definitely not the hardest job in the world and if you ask any level headed woman she will tell you that.

                However, doing housework and taking caring of the kids every single day for years can get tiring. Like many other women, my mother did this for me and my siblings for 30 years and that's something I do appreciate and respect.

                [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                Just because something is easy doesn't mean it isn't important. I've done some critically important tasks today, that are absolutely necessary for our home to function. In just under 3 hours, on my own, without using my brain or muscles to any significant degree.

                Still important, though.

                [–]Problematiqu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Not physically hard, but mentally and emotionally. You can't listen to a couple kids running around screaming their guts out while playing day in day out for hours on end, cleaning up all manner of bodily fluids on a regular basis, as well as (sort of) thankless tasks like keeping the house in order which (if done well) isn't even noticeable to outside observers or even your SO, without sort of feeling like you're in a groundhogs day situation you can't escape from.

                But that's life. Life is full of dragging yourself along doing repetitive tasks day in day out. It's called being an adult. It's not all vacations and relaxing in front of the tv. Unless you're some moms I know...

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                  [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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                  The only challenging part about being a stay at home parent is the children, but once the children are school age they're gone for 6-8 hours a day.

                  Our kid's three. I had to spank her ass once when she screamed at me and hit me when I told her it was nap time. Other than that we've been having a great time. She cracks a mean egg for someone with such limited manual dexterity and has the makings of an excellent and efficient housewife, just like her daddy. She definitely doesn't get that from mommy. Plus we got to wrestle while Mom was out. She's getting tough. I almost had to try to keep my footing.

                  [–]jm51 5 points6 points  (7 children)

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                  Just curious, why no microwaves?

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                    [–]bananashammock 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                    Was it a crappy complex in the ghetto? I don't understand why you couldn't have a microwave.

                    [–]Esminia 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                    Because peoples would make bombs or put some disgusting shit in it and warm it up, smearing into all the room probably, as a joke/revenge

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                      [–]Esminia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                      You are the reason peoples can't have nice things

                      [–]sweathead 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                      My mother worked full time+ at a demanding but well paying job, single parent, 2 kids, kept the house spotless, and managed to have a pretty hefty social life. Granted, her parenting suffered, mostly from the partying. She can't find enough to do now with retirement and just her cat to pick up after.

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                        [–]sweathead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                        That's the point, the housework was a minimal part of her schedule and was still done thoroughly. I'm sure it depends on the slob factor and how many people you're tending, but she handled it fine.

                        [–]ColdEiric 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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                        You forgot to upload pictures on Facebook about how easy it actually is for you to do it, as a woman. After all, why wouldn't you want to inspire your best friends, whom you love so dearly? It would be impolite not to do it, wouldn't you agree?

                        [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                        #empowering #YesAllMoms #WorldsHardestJob #hashtag

                        [–]kizzan 16 points17 points  (18 children)

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                        One thing you may not be considering is doing it day in and day out causes one to be disconnected with the world. Further, you constantly have to reassure yourself of your worth to the family since you are making nothing. I think the hardest part about it is the lack of break. Husband comes home from work and he gets to relax. Wife was cooking, cleaning, and watching the kids all day. Now that the husband comes home she gets to relax too.....wait....no she doesn't. She keeps working.

                        Outside of that, yes, it is easy. That is why traditional housewives have so much time to watch tv, find the best deals and coupons all over town, and other time consuming things.

                        [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 13 points14 points  (11 children)

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                        Husband comes home from work and he gets to relax

                        What decade were you married in?

                        [–]Kalepsis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                        So with the other five hours of time after doing all the chores, you take the kid for a walk, or ride a bike, or go to a book store, or visit a park, or other parents' houses where you both can socialize, etc. Just because you've spent three hours in the house does not mean you can't go out the rest of the day. There's no reason to be disconnected from society. For you or your kid.

                        As for reassuring your family that you're worthy... Look at Asian women. Specifically the Japanese. They cook, clean, raise children, dance, teach, and arrange socialization. They don't need to wonder if they have worth because they put effort into their activities and take pride in doing what they do.

                        [–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                        hardest part about it is the lack of break.

                        And somehow despite the lack of breaks, plenty of these housewives still find time to watch Oprah, and the rest of their daytime lineup. Once the chores are done, and as long as the kid isn't tearing the house apart, the job isn't exactly the most physically demanding and requiring of breaks.

                        [–]kizzan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        Maybe you misunderstood. I meant the person is never off. When the baby is asleep mommy can watch the Oprah.

                        [–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        You think mothers only watch Oprah if the baby happens to be asleep during the broadcast time? Or you assume they Tivo it? Bwaha.

                        [–]avoiceoftreason 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        Further, you constantly have to reassure yourself of your worth to the family since you are making nothing.

                        Isn't raising a child supposedly the most rewarding thing a person can do?

                        [–]kizzan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                        In theory it is but being a housewife takes away from your self worth as you are not contributing to the family financially.

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                          [–]Audball766 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          I completely agree that traditional family roles are best. I also believe that some stay at moms do have a ton to do. I know a dr's wife who stays hella busy, for example. However, I believe most stay at home mothers have it very easy, all things considered, myself being one of them. I stay home with one child (we don't want more in the future either) and I really don't have much to do. My days are easy and pleasant, but I am very aware that that's the case and I see that to be the case for most others, so it really gets on my nerves when women say crap like "It's the hardest job in the world." (Not implying that that's what you are saying!) It's just a very simple thing for a large majority of stay at home mothers, so I get very irritated when women try and use it to martyr themselves. My life is easy, I know it and I'm damn grateful to have the opportunity to live the way I do, take care of my family and have so much time with my son and I really feel like most women need to adopt a similar attitude about it.

                          End rant.

                          [–]PryvateJiggles 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                          I took 12 weeks of parental leave because my wife wanted to go back to work. I had a 5, 3 and almost one year old. By 10am I had everything done. I lugged the kids with me everywhere I went. I didn't have to work nights and shifts. I was virtually stress free. I delighted in telling my female colleagues (I'm an ER RN) about how easy it was.

                          [–]1independentmale 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                          My ex stayed at home with the children and she could never manage to get shit done during the day. I heard the same excuses about how hard it is being a stay at home mother. Meanwhile I worked all day, then came home and cleaned the house and made dinner most nights because she couldn't seem to make it happen.

                          I've been on my own with the kids half time for a couple of years now. This single daddy stuff is cake. We get up in the morning, I get them off to school, go to work, come home, make them dinner, do some laundry, etc. We vacuum and mop together once a week. If they need help with their homework we knock that shit out together. I still have plenty of time to sit on my ass and watch tv or play video games with them, or work on a project around the house, etc.

                          I have lost all sympathy and compassion for these poor mothers who "have it so hard." Bitch, your life as a mommy in a first world country is the easiest life in the whole goddamn world. Shut the fuck up and show some gratitude to your man who works his ass off so you can live life on easy mode.

                          [–]1Zackcid 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                          Hahaha! Something women often "omit" to mention is that drive you sometimes get from doing these chores. Just that feeling of being productive gives me a unique high. I'm then encouraged to get even more things done, because it's the natural direction/inertia. It makes me feel good about myself and good about my day. I go to bed thinking "today... I got shit done."

                          But complainers will never bring up the pros, only the cons.

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                          Did a lot of that on Saturday. A bunch of mindless shit that needed to be done, but today I'm much happier. My gf tagged along the whole time as tool-fetcher and she got the "together time" she needs, all packed into a productive package. Amen to the momentum.

                          [–]TheFohx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                          OP, this is one kid.. I could do that. It's when you have more then one rascal running around.

                          [–]eof 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                          Posts like this are bad for TRP.

                          TRP has an image problem that is largely due to people in general being severely over-committed to their current paradigms--of which TRP offers an incompatible version of.

                          However, there is also the problem of arising from circle-jerked misogyny and pettiness. I would not go so far to say that this post is misogynistic; as it is simply countering what would be a straw-man argument if it weren't so common we all knew what you were talking about.

                          Do we often hear that being a stay-at-home-mom is the hardest job in the world? Yup. Is it actually that.. or even remotely close to that? With a loving bread-winner.. it obviously isn't a particularly hard job.

                          However, TRP at its core, as I understand.. and (importantly) in the ways it actually adds value for both men and women is in clarifying an effective sexual strategy for men--which provides women with more attractive men as a side-effect--as well as, providing underlying theory to support the strategy and an explanation as to how culture has provided both men and women with perverted paradigms for understanding sex and relationships.. which ultimately cause dissatisfaction for both men and women.

                          Posts like this; while they address (in a very, very circle jerky way) the audience of TRP; they are almost 100% orthogonal to the core ideas; add little to no value toward sexual strategy or theory; and make TRP look like butt-hurt misogynists.

                          [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                          An entirely separate line perpendicular to the purpose of the Reddit is still fair game for a post- those lines intersect with orthogonality.

                          Nothing butt-hurt about this post because it is true. WOMYN are the nattering harpies screaming they have the hardest job in the world sitting on their asses for 6 hours a day and going back to bed after hubby leaves for work (if she even bothers to get up in the first place) and OP is showing how they are completely full of shit.

                          [–]SuperNinKenDo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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                          I'm gonna play devils advocate here and say that doing that for one day, and doing it every day are different beasts.

                          Hardest job in the world is bullshit, but I don't think you're making a fair comparison really. I think the monotony of it would drive most men absolutely bonkers eventually.

                          [–]avoiceoftreason 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                          Dealing with the monotony is just a matter of mindset (Sisyphus and all that), but I think it would be much worse never to be able to 'switch off'. Of course, reaching school age solves that one.

                          [–]SuperNinKenDo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          Yes. The fact that you never "get home from work" probably does one's head in a bit too.

                          [–]atticu5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                          Now I'm bored off of my ass

                          I think this is why you hear it's the hardest job. I remember my mom would complain about doing it and I would tell her it's not hard and she would agree but that it was about having to do the same boring, menial things everyday. If you go work an 8 hour day, your woman is going to be done with all her duties in a few hours as you mentioned, then she gets to hang out with a child the rest of the day.

                          So yea, it's not physically demanding or mentally demanding, but I sure as fuck don't want to do that. I'll take boring and menial without the children any day.

                          [–]deville05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          well sure.. but I suppose doing it repeatedly everyday makes it more harder and boring and all that. but certainly not the most difficult job on the planet. women just want validation.

                          some time ago I was on an askwoman thread that was "Can you give examples of sexist attitudes a guy might hold but not knowingly?" and some woman said "when guys just assume that because you are a woman. you dont know anything about sports. like just cuz you are a woman you cant love football or know who xyz and abc are"

                          now this point irritated me because knowing about sports because its become pop culture and is highly televised is one thing, but thats not the same as LOVING a sport. my point was that how can you love a sport when you have never played it and dont know what it feels like? its like me saying I love relationships because I watched too many rom-coms. I concluded by saying that women are drawn to other aspects of the whole media-ness of itn, but they dont LOVE the sport cuz they dont know what the fuck they talking about.

                          my post got deleted because Invalidation of others' experiences is not permitted

                          it wasnt even an experience

                          [–]Peter044 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          Hey its a fucking hard job doing house work every day. Why else do you think that maids get paid abosultely top dollar to do this professionally? ... Oh yeah, thats right, they get paid FUCK ALL. Maybe its not such a tough job afterall?

                          Seriously, why the average housewife doesnt just spend 12 hours one day a week to cook 5 or 6 meals (fridge/freezer), clean the house, do the washing, and then take the rest of the week to indulge a hobby or actually do something productive for someone, is beyond me. Talk about filling in time doing sweet FA.

                          [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          Excellent post. The thing is as a single parent, you can plan a lot of things well to make your life easier. The hard part of parenting is the constant emotional availability it takes. THAT is where people crack, and anything else that happens is just a side effect. Still, the actual physical work of parenting isn't that hard.

                          [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          Takes me all of 2-hours a day to do the laundry, dishes, (force the kids to) pick up the house, sit with the kids while they do homework, and make dinner.

                          That's about 10-14 hours a week and no, it is NOT the hardest job in the fucking world. It is life on easy street. Women are so full of shit but we can even be worse by believing them.

                          [–]Maaahoney 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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                          Yup, as cool as it may seem, if you were a woman you still have to bleed every month, deal with child birth, and basically scratch lottery tickets hoping that the man you choose is a winner.

                          [–]vaker 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                          hoping that the man you choose is a winner

                          Applying some intelligence (as opposed to feelz) would go a long way to reduce the risk in that project. Hmmm... I wonder why arranged marriages were invented?

                          [–]elevul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          If they applied intelligence to their relationships, they would realize that they wouldn't even need one in the western society.

                          [–]csmass -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                          Stop being sexist, you pig! /s

                          [–]Fastfingers_McGee 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                          If this isn't some sexist strawman bullshit idk what is. You guys sit here and claim to be middle of the road on gender issues but all I see in this sub is woman bashing and an almost dogmatic mindset.

                          The "red pill theory" is interesting and can promote great dialog and understanding between genders but you guys are just whining about how guys have it soooo bad and woman are all insatiable cunts. You guys need to grow some balls, social skills, and get a fucking clue.

                          unsubscribed from this hypocritical, gloating, subreddit.

                          [–]bizzybone78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                          Totally agree. I'm out too.

                          [–]MooMooMooN 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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                          I enjoy cleaning, dishes included. Makes me feel proud to care about my living space and it's good exercise if you keep that in mind... ex: duck walk to the closet to get the vacuum, stand on one leg while doing dishes.. etc. Cleaning is a workout!!!

                          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                          I'm sure you'll make your husband very happy one day.

                          [–]FallenHighSchoolJock -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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                          Do you have any self respect or bite back as a woman at all? I hate feminazis but I also hate women who are totally submissive. It's like an insult to all the women who sacrificed so much to give you equal opportunity.

                          [–]MooMooMooN 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                          Who said I was a woman? O.o

                          [–]Hamilton5M 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                          If you were a woman, you could leave her and take half the money in a divorce.

                          Then hang out somewhere with in tight pants and people would fling gifts and money at you.

                          You'd have your choice of beta women offering you a life of comfort and wealth because you had a nice set of balls. Double D balls.

                          That's what it's like to be a woman. No wonder they act that way with an endless supply of chumps lining up.

                          That's why older cultures have cultural or religious guidelines to keep women in check, to prevent shit like that.

                          [–]MrRexels 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                          ''You'd have your choice of beta women offering you a life of comfort ...''

                          There is no such thing as ''beta'' women.

                          [–]1nglip 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                          I'm sure he meant beta men and just screwed up his sentence.

                          [–]GC0W30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                          No, he just described how women have it and flipped the genders.

                          [–]bizzybone78 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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                          I would much rather be at work than kid-wrangling at home. I find the latter to be much more difficult. And no, I don't work at Arby's.

                          I think the role of mother and homemaker is a profoundly important one, and I think that the disintegration of this role that has been brought about by the feminist movement is one of the reasons why society is going in the shitter.

                          Your wife staying home and raising your kids isn't something that should be mocked.

                          [–]JG60 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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                          No one said that it isn't important, just that it's not hard. Wiping my ass is important, but not exactly hard to do.

                          [–]ClearAsNight 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                          To add to that, it's not that it's not hard, it's just easier than women make it out to be.

                          [–]bizzybone78 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                          This is true. What I find a little confusing about this sub is that while most people here seem to be in strong favor of the sexes occupying their traditional roles, which I am totally in favor of, I always see people here mocking and minimizing the contribution of women in the household. If we want men to act like men, and women to act like women, why would we give them shit for doing it? To me, being a man is not just about commanding respect, it's also about treating others with respect.

                          [–]sliderdog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                          I'll tell you why. Because they're not actually doing it. They're demanding that their husbands do part of what should be the wife's workload and also continue doing what is traditionally a man's work.

                          Anytime you see a woman bitch about a man not cleaning, cooking, or helping enough with a woman's house duties she's not occupying a traditional role.

                          [–]bizzybone78 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                          Raising kids is thankless and exhausting. I don't know anyone with multiple kids who would say it's easy. That's just retarded and totally untrue.

                          [–]elevul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          It's not a hard job, but it's a horribly boring one. Especially the cleaning part, I wouldn't be able to do it if I didn't have podcasts or audiobooks in my mp3 player.

                          [–]Magnum256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                          I've had girlfriends pull the whole "I cook, I clean, I work my ass off at home and you don't appreciate it!!!!" only to look at the internet browser history and see something like:

                          Facebook 7:15
                          Youtube 7:46
                          Twitter 8:07
                          Facebook 8:21
                          YouTube 8:39
                          Reddit 9:01
                          Facebook 9:17

                          etc, continuing until I came home from work about 9 hours later.

                          It's like if they have so much time to literally sit there and browse their favorite websites all throughout the day I really don't think they're working as hard as they claim... it's really laughable at how easy unskilled women have it.

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                            [–]Muff_Muncher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                            I'm out of the Marines now, but I've seen more than one dependopotamus with a bumper sticker that said: "Marine Wife: The Hardest Job In The Marine Corps."
                            I have dead friends, and they didn't die getting gang banged while their SO was deployed. That shit made me sick.

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                              [–]JG60 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              I hadn't thought of that... you are a genius.

                              [–]magx01 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                              More truth in this post than I have seen all day on mainstream media.

                              [–]mcnewbie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              it took me a moment to figure out which meaning of the word "predates" you intended.

                              [–]rozzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              I would say that this had an element of truth to it back in the day when people had 5-15 kids and there was no daycare or ipads to keep kids occupied, and hardly any money to make ends meet. But, having said that, those were the days when life was tough for everyone. Men were going out and risking their lives in the coal mines for 12 hrs a day as well.

                              [–]CptDefB 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                              Man... with women so interested in being Strong and Independent™, we should let them run the nations for a while (lmao) and see what happens (rofl).

                              House Husbandry should be the next social movement. Books, Video Games and maybe even Gyms, would all see their industries explode (lets not forget Movies and dolls action figures). Women everywhere could watch as marketing shifts to target the men at home all day, as laws shift due to 51% getting to shit on the other 49%, as their wealth gets siphoned off to "the Lord of the House" to take care of... they might even learn what a 60+ hour week is like...

                              but then we'd have to deal with them when they get home, and "too tired" would replace "i have a headache" so nevermind!

                              [–]Turbosuperfastlaser1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              I thought you were going to say "not sleep with the friend while wifey went to work." To clarify, I'm not a d bag. I just know about some thick sexual tension and exercising restraint. On the other hand, I did laugh out loud.

                              [–]Frogtarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              But can you put on a DVD in the tray? Talk on the phone and eat twinkies at the same time?

                              [–]bonekeeper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                              this is your cue to head to Starbucks with your pals to kill time while your wife actually works 8 hours. Oh, wait...