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[–]redpillthrowaway87 96 points97 points  (3 children)

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If you are a newbie, don't start hating women, hate yourself instead and fix the situation.

I'm glad you left this as your final sentence, because this is really IMHO the most important thing about red pill philosophy.

I'm new to red pill myself, but already I've noticed very clearly that blaming others for your situation is a woman's game. As men we don't do that shit, we take responsibility for what we've done, and what we've allowed others to do, and we fix that shit.

[–]questionull 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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One way to stop blaming anybody (self or others) is to realise that sexual game has up till now been largely unconscious. There's no way that most women could have duped most men for so long had they not been duped themselves. The reality is that we are dealing here with memes and genes, not with intentional behaviour. We're all starting to grow up some more now.

[–]polysyllabist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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You can't change others, you can only change yourself.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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people underestimate the power of this train of thought.. when you blame yourself and self criticize, you can objectively do so knowing u are doing it for a better you.

You fix yourself. It is also the primary driver for when unique opportunities presents itself, you have no hesitation or feel no guilt to grab it ahead of others who you may or may not perceive as 'better' than you.

dont hate on the world, self improve.

[–]otiswild 76 points77 points  (14 children)

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Hate and anger are appropriate initial responses, but remember that hating someone gives them power over you, you're expending mental energy on them. When you can have no feeling at all regarding them, you have mastered your feelings and have won. They don't deserve the mental energy and memory space required to be angry at them.

And make sure any anger at yourself is self-CONstructive. Regard your past as a sunk cost, and lessons learned.

[–]IamAwaken 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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I actually have managed to channel mine for different things like in the gym to get that extra pump. I've tried to use it some in bed, but didn't really match the mood. Extra aggression, but was making me enjoy it less. Possession works better for me there.

Control comes first like you say though.

[–]Opioidus 8 points9 points  (8 children)

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Jesus guys, just stop! Just stop trying to convince yourself women aren't contemptible for what they do. If you don't feel physical repulsion when witnessing and realizing the state of modern woman, there is something really wrong with you as a human being. What is there not to hate about the slutty, self-centered, brutish, absent-minded, self-destructive women you see all around you? Are they kind? Are they chaste? Do they even try?

I have no idea why so many people in this sub try to hamster away the disgust they feel for these despicable creatures? People who try to rationalize this natural, justified reaction as an initial response are in for a really hard surprise. I'm 38, I've been active in these circles(game, trp whatever)since the 90s, I'm doing everything you people aspire to do and I feel nothing but disgust for the vast absolute majority of western women. It isn't going to go away, it's going to amplify!

The blue pill image of women isn't some perverted fairytale men believed to be the natural state of women, it's a set of ideals that women were expected to qualify for in order to become more attractive for men. We want women to be chaste, tender, loving, faithful, forgiving, shy, self-conscious, fascinated by our manliness and always reassuring just as women want men to be strong, courageous, bold, self-determined and in love with their beauty. When we find out not only women as a group aren't like this, but that they've even given up trying, we simply begrudge them, just as they despise us when they find out most men are weaklings just trying to get by and not strong alpha males making history.

TRP as it stands currently is nothing but an obsession with what women want, desire, feel and think accompanied with an absolute denial of what men want, desire, feel and think. Let's find out what women ''really'' want and give it to them, but never actually try to find out what we want and what they should try to give to us. So the more you become the man women worship and desire the more hateful you grow, because you aren't getting what you deserve, your efforts aren't rewarded by affections from women of your dreams, but by sex from worthless sluts.

What happens at this point is that you usually end up numbing the hate with sex, because it's easy to achieve and is of course very rewarding(physically), and also because ''misogyny'' is the absolute taboo of our times, the mother of all taboos.

There's no solution for this justified repulsion, there's no ''channeling'' it, there's no forgetting about it, there's no amount of success with women that could wash away the taste.

Here's what you can do: stop giving a shit about the accusations of misogyny, stop apologizing for how you feel, stop denying it, stop justifying it, stop rationalizing it, and start demanding women to become less disgusting to the opposite sex. It isn't their ''nature'', we ''know'' for a fact that women used to be much better than this.

[–]Kekeramitu 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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To play devil's advocate, i would argue it's not just women. Modern men are equally disappointing - they are fully beta towards women, and often abandon all sense of honour at the slightest chance of pussy. It is true that modern women are generally unattractive physically and in their character, but so are the beta men that fawn over them.

Young men and women are being taught practically the opposite of what they should be, and the result is a fucking disaster for both sexes. Therefore, you don't need to worry about being a misogynist - men are largely equally deserving of hate, although hate is a strong word.

[–]otiswild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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You mistakenly conflate TRP wisdom with the MRA subculture. Anger at injustice and unfairness is an MRA thing.

I happen to accept TRP wisdom, but have given up on MRA anger for a number of reasons, largely selfish. I prefer MGTOW: when interaction with women provides some form of benefit to me, I engage in it. If not, I don't.

Feminine Imperative matrix: "Take it or leave it!" PUA: "Sure, honey, gimme!" MRA: "It's not fair, dammit!" MGTOW: "Fuck this noise, I'm gone."

(ps: this could easily spiral off into Dark Enlightenment themes and the failure of the "Democracy of 50%+1 moochers" we have now, but I won't do it..)

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    [–]Opioidus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    Women don't give two shits about what ''100% of men'' do or desire, they care about the top 5%. Their constant nagging about ''expectations'' and ''entitlement'' in an age where men don't have the expectations and entitlement of a fucking chicken shows they only see, hear and care about what those attractive ''woman haters'' do or say, not the herd of domesticated males. And if rewarding slutty behavior alone was reason for women to sleep with someone male feminists would've been superalphas!

    So it's because ''attractive men'' are silent about what they expect women to be that all of this mess has been created. We have combined modern science with old wisdom to find a place for ourselves amongst the favorites, to become as attractive as possible, but what are we using this power for? Creating a better future for our sons? No, we just go around fucking random sluts.. because we're too scared to accept the fact that we hate what we hate...

    I don't know how the future is going to turn up, all I know is that we're going to get more of the same thing if we behave the same way.

    [–]whitey_male 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    Just getting rid of the modern feminist psychos parroting their treasonous lies and bile would pretty much fix about half or more of the problem.

    So just adding our little 2 cents here and there might have them gone so the next generation won't face such a huge amount of criminally minded whores.

    I think that is reasonably pragmatic.

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      [–]whitey_male 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Well I was thinking that we should just ignore the feminist left media. Here in Australia it's really struggling, they're asking for people to pay for it now and they're not.

      In my opinion my plan wouldn't prevent women from screwing the most "alpha" males when they are in high school, but it would prevent them from being so self entitled when they hit 30 or so. It would be an improvement but not a cure.

      I doubt there will ever be a cure for generations. Because the cure is basically, although I'm basically an atheist, the cure is Christianity. Christianity offers the most pragmatic framework for life.

      I don't ever plan on having sex with 5 thousand women so maybe I shouldn't be here. But none the less I do enjoy the right wingedness of this sub.

      [–]MrGunny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I think you're obsessing a little too much over something that is outside of your control. Self improvement and a stoic worldview are very important to TRP. No one is advocating giving anyone a pass, but there is no point in nurturing petty contempt - in the long term anyway - over natural behaviors you cannot change.

      [–]Mightyskunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I like how you say hate and anger give others power over you. It's damn true, and hate and anger are what feminism is fueled by. SJWs tend to stop arguing with me when I make them realize that I, a hateful red piller, have been nothing but nice while they, a loving tumblrina, have been spewing hate and vitriol like it's going out of style. I even got out of being banned from a mostly feminist sub. The mod was doing the usual "all red pillers are shit"thing to me, and telling me I was banned for it. I made the comparison between my niceness and her hate, and she stopped messaging me. No ban. Red pill wins.

      [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Hate and anger are appropriate initial responses, but remember that hating someone gives them power over you, you're expending mental energy on them. When you can have no feeling at all regarding them, you have mastered your feelings and have won.

      When you still have feelings like you did before, but no feelings towards them, you have mastered your feelings and won.

      When you have to shut off your feelings in order to stop having feelings towards them, you still have a problem.

      [–]dreauxx 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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      Word my brother. I road the same train in highschool, and about a year and a half ago I said the same thing. "Fuck. This.".

      I am my own person now. No one woman can or ever will "possess" me. I take care of myself, make my music, and talk to, hang out with, and have sex with whoever I feel like I'd like to. Not because I'm some "Alpha" (and I hate that term) guy. It's because I'm a Man, and I'm sick of women playing all these stupid fucking mind games to fulfill all these stupid fucking desires they let marinate in their minds. Weddings dresses, rings, clothes, large beautiful houses, cars.. Fuck you disgusting people. Learn how to love yourselves and appreciate what you are, and maybe we could too.

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        [–]BlueInq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        I think Malaysia Airlines would disagree.

        [–]6Invalidity 77 points78 points  (14 children)

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        I believe that men are comfortable with knowing that women have their needs. They are just fed up with the duplicity of how women treat them. If men knew what women were attracted to and women were wholly honest about it, you'd have more men doing what it takes to become the object of a woman's attraction.

        But women likely realize that if all these men were competing with eachother to become desirable mates, who would be there to provide for them? Women cannot be honest. It is not in their best interest. They hook you as a provider, telling you sweet nothings about how caring and gentle you are, and how someday you'll find the right girl... but for now, you're gonna take care of them like a good man should without getting your needs met.

        You'll be angry at first but then you realize that this is human nature, and with the knowledge you gain, you can act accordingly and get what you want.

        [–]rztzz 31 points32 points  (4 children)

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        Side note, but I'd argue that men as a group can't increase their attractiveness.

        What women find attractive is scalable. The funniest, most charismatic, most powerf guy of the group will get the most attention. These are relative. There can only be one funniest and most powerful.

        A group full of hot girls will still be hot girls. A room full of hot guys now becomes a challenge for the woman to figure out who's the most alpha/funny/interesting. It's constantly a weeding process.

        [–]altra_hex 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        I see your point. It might not HAVE to be an 80/20 rule sort of outcome though, so perhaps there is room for some parity.

        [–]ButterMyBiscuit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        I've also thought of this. If every man were as rich, fit, dominant, smart, and funny as the top 1%, would the 80/20 rule still apply or would women be happy with any man? Does attractiveness only stem from being the top 20% BEST men or do a certain set of conditions need to be met that only the top 20% of men currently meet.

        [–]alclarkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I think the thing you need to be is the top in her AOE. (Area of Effect) Obviously, a woman can't know all 3.5 billion men on this planet, she can only know so many, so be the top in the circle that she knows.

        [–]Anderfail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        If every man had a sixpac and was shredded to a ridiculous extent, then it would likely short circuit the 80-20 rule because our brains are wired to be attracted to in shape bodies. It would be really really interesting to see the results of such a scenario.

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          [–]Ididerus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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          I'm more angry at the men in my life who have lied to me and propagated feminist myths. I understand women trying to mold orbiters (and the lack of logic in doing so), but hearing the same falsehoods from men is why the truth has been hidden from two generations of sons.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

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          The way you have to look at it is that sex, to a woman hopping on or off the carousel, is a drug.

          A drug that society is telling young women to take more of, to take control.

          Let me repeat that. Mainstream Feminist thought is telling women to gain more control over their lives by taking more drugs.

          In reality, the more a woman delves into the cock carousel, the less control she gets over her relationships and ability to effectively pair bond.

          Look at nature. There are animals that pair for life. Do they have casual one night stands through their adolesence, then go on to raise a family? No, their goal is the family, and that goal is worked toward from the day they are born into existence.

          Ultimately, men have to ask themselves: Do I want to raise a family with a drug addict?

          [–]6Invalidity 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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          Humans aren't a pair bonding species though. We created marriage as a trade-off: men would ensure that the children they were raising were biologically theirs and women would secure resources. Because women have more access to resources nowadays, marriage is not a necessity. Women don't have to concern themselves with passing on genetic material - the child comes out of them!

          So all that's left is marriage seemingly being favorable for men... except for infidelity being more commonplace with little to no repercussions. In the past, marriages were more stable and the funny thing is... people married younger! These days? People are marrying older and are "supposedly" making a smarter decision... and guess what, divorce has never been higher.

          Marriage is not an appealing option for either party. But it benefits women with regards to resources a man provides, and divorce benefits.

          [–]manwhy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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          We are a pair-bonding species, and it's because the continuation of civilization demands it. If we want to continue to number in the billions, we must begin reproducing at replacement level fertility, and we must ensure that there remain incentives for men to be productive above and beyond what is necessary for subsistence. Both of which are facilitated by enforced pair-bonding.

          This may change with future technologies, but for now it remains true.

          [–]6Invalidity 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briffault#Briffault.27s_Law

          Also, refer to Hypergamy.

          We have prolonged bonds for as long as a woman derives some benefit from the relationship. If you look at marriage statistics, you'll see a lot of divorce. Families broken up and new males taking on the role of "father". Mates in the human species generally do not maintain an affinity for their partners long.

          [–]Imapancakenom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Getting a little off topic from the original post, and I'm new to RP, but when I first read about Briffault's law it confused me and I thought the guy made it up while butthurt after being dumped by some girl.

          "Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

          Yes, that's true, I can see that. But what I immediately thought was, "wait a sec, isn't the reverse just as true as well?"

          "Where the male can derive no benefit from association with the female, no such association takes place." ... yeah. I feel like that's equally as true. Every day there are dozens and dozens of females who I don't associate with because I see no benefit in it.

          [–]manwhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Yeah. It's a particularly harsh way of saying that people respond to incentives and disincentives appropriately.

          [–]manwhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          My point is that pair-bonding is an integral ingredient of civilization, and that it is necessary if we want to maintain a population of 7 billion into the future.

          Because it is fathers, secure in their paternity, who build and maintain the vast complexities of civilization, and the vast complexities civilization which in turn which artificially enhance the human carrying capacity of the Earth, we are in a sense dependent on pair-bonding for our continued survival. Thus, we should be considered a pair-bonding species, because--barring significant technological leaps forward in the production of energy--our continued prosperity depends on it.

          [–]teeelo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Awesome post Man, really well read. Good for you and I am glad you are sorting things out.

          [–]Overkillengine 21 points22 points  (3 children)

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          don't start hating women, hate yourself instead and fix the situation.

          There's the truly important part. Hating them will not change them, and thus is pointless if you want to do anything other than fester like a boil.

          [–]Hokuto199x 14 points15 points  (7 children)

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          Should have pumped and dumped that 9. Would've made you feel like a boss.

          [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (6 children)

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          In hindsight this would've been the best option. Honestly I just didn't have the confidence for it.

          It's not too late though..

          [–]Hokuto199x 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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          That's the spirit. The fact you rejected her will probably drive her nuts now. Well done in any case.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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          I liked every part except that. You should have plowed that girl for sure. If it's not too late, hit her back up. No reason not to get pussy.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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          He's new; He's still male hamstering. That part doesn't add up to me. He's insinuating that she's DTF but he chose not to, just because, you know, he rather just go home and sleep -- because you know, selfish alpha decisions.

          I remember a post from like a year back where a guy's GF was getting hit on by another guy and he hamstered by excusing it as, "After TRP I saw what was going on and just laughed about the whole thing and let him do his best." When in reality he's just trying to find an "alpha" reasoning as to why he let his girl get hit on by another guy right in front of him and everyone else. The reality was that he didn't know how to handle the situation and was still getting used to learning how to hold an alpha frame. So he made up an excuse as to why it was okay.

          I think that's what's going on with OP. She may have invited him over, but he was clueless as what to do next once he's got it. It dropped in his lap and he's thinking, "Oh shit... Okay, I wasn't expecting this. In fact, I don't even know how to handle this." So instead of going into the unknown, he found an out for himself and made an excuse to exit the situation he wasn't yet comfortable with.

          OP: I'm not trying to be a dick. We've all been there. Shit, it still happens to me at times when I throw hail marry's and someone catches it, and I think, "Oh fuck, I wasn't expecting that, now I have to make the next play on something I figured had no chance of being caught." And even sometimes I will exit the situation simply because I can't even think of how to handle it. But what I don't do is make excuses as to why I didn't do it. I admit failure, and promise to work on it.

          My point is, I don't care how much you try to BS us, I care more about how much you're trying to BS yourself. Once you start going down this path of self improvement, you got to start being honest with yourself and be willing to criticize yourself. Else, you're just going to end up like one of those MGTOW types who argue that the reason they don't date is because women are dumb stupid sluts, rather than admitting they don't date because other women don't want them; one path leads to progress, while the other just leads to hamstering failure.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          I am honest with myself ! I am perfectly aware that going home was a beta move, but I didn't have enough of an alpha frame to follow through with it yet.

          [–]AcidCheese5 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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          Sidenote:

          X) <-----these fucking smileys need to stop. Screams Beta.

          [–]a_chill_bro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          don't start hating women, hate yourself instead and fix the situation.

          Kill the beta. By any means necessary. You got this shit bro.

          [–]mctoasterson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          It doesn't surprise me that TRP is polarizing. It doesn't surprise me that most people initially react to TRP with anger. Detractors want to label TRP as a bunch of "angry guys". But if anything, TRP is a positive worldview because it shifts ones locus of control from extrinsic to intrinsic.

          On the macro level, TRP is a realization that the "power" others hold over you is largely an illusion. You were raised with a societal paradigm that told you if you were nice, pleasant, and abundantly helpful you would be (eventually) rewarded with pussy. All real world examples indicate the contrary.

          In reality, as you now know, you have a great ability to take control of your interactions with women. Where you were passive before and allowed extrinsic factors to dictate your success or failure, you are now in the drivers seat. You are improving yourself and setting yourself up to get things you want and need in exchange for what you used to give away for free.

          [–]McRedMan 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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          If your looking to lose A LOT of weight, look into keto, /r/keto

          I've lost 45lbs in the pas 6.5 months (280>235) eating bacon, eggs, cheese, butter, steaks, etc. But I've found it incongruent with muscle gain in my experience.

          In any case, congrats on swallowing the pill and best of luck man.

          [–]Chewedsnatch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          But I've found it incongruent with muscle gain in my experience.

          Have you checked out the mod of /r/ketogains? That dude is jacked and did it with keto. Any rate, it's pretty much not possible to build muscle and burn fat at the same time. That might be why you feel that way.

          [–]Baylien2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Well if you're looking to get bigger thats true but if you want lean strong muscle aka ripped then u can do both

          [–]__ROOSTER__ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Hate your old self, love your new self.

          [–]assail 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          No such thing as bad publicity

          [–]rlaptop7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          "I'm going monk mode for the next 6 months. The vigorous self improvement is already yielding results - I lost 10 pounds, got a well-paying summer job"

          Awesome dude.

          Keep it up!

          [–]HoneyIShrunkMyDick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I went to a school of 70-80% girls

          It's a shame you didn't discover TRP a little bit earlier.

          Still, knowing that you missed that opportunity might well spurn you to become the very best you can be. It seems that a large number of top PUAs have a similar "I was hopeless with girls at college" story, which gave them the drive to work at it and succeed.

          [–]tarkin1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Just remember not to hate women, but love women for the feminine bunbles of joys they can be when you maintian frame.

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          Word. RSD Tyler is the fucking man, I don't care what anyone says, I've seen him live a few times for free tour and watched him open a few sets. He lives it. Check out his video on what to do if you are a hardcase newbie (aka BP beta boy) if you havent already - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OVZ9xk1B-o

          Monkmode is great and all, but you also want to root your improvements in reality to keep ensuring you are on the right path. Go out and run some game - if you have been limited to high school friend circle game, go push yourself to try picking up in a club. It will keep you from getting illusions and different form of BP delusions like "oh girls only respond to money and looks, I'll go out after I get rich and swole by 30."

          [–]3rdweal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Now everything is fine. I understand. I'm just not good enough. Women aren't evil, they have their own needs and tendencies. Nobody cares about my woes, I am the only one who can fix my life.

          An excellent synopsis of what people should absorb from this sub. It hits you like this and even though you know it is logically coherent, you fight the conclusion because of the path of future effort it implies - but once you allow yourself to believe it, there's no going back.

          [–]iStillEatSnakes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Welcome onboard. I was in the same situation about 8 months ago.

          [–]watersign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          TL;DR - AWALT. Negative comments all over reddit are great for this subreddit. If you are a newbie, don't start hating women, hate yourself instead and fix the situation.

          GOLD!!

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Same, I arrived from an askreddit "what is the most horrible subreddit" thread

          [–]Reordin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Yeahhhhhhh buddy! As for monk mode, make a schedule, literally write that shit down and adhere to it. Best way to attain goals is to make them tangible.

          [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Since you're going "monk mode" and are so serious about fixing yourself, i think you may be really interested in /r/NoFap and /r/pornfree .

          [–]JonnyBeanBag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Good...GOOOOOOODDD......let the truth flow THROUGH you!

          Give in to the Red Pill young one, your power grows daily, I can FEEEEL it!

          [–]antwonedw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          good post. wish u da best man. monk mode sounds epic.