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[–]OBOllie3003 348 points349 points  (144 children)

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Plain no-talent, zero personality girl meets hot, buff, young, powerful, rich man.

What every American woman is expecting to seriously happen.

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    [–]Knight_of_autumn 59 points60 points  (9 children)

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    I would be willing to bet there are at least a dozen pornos with this storyline out there.

    [–]AnotherLostCause 25 points26 points  (8 children)

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    The women in porn are for the most part average in looks. Have a look at one of those porn stars with and without make up comparisons. I have yet to see a supermodels without fakeup comparison.

    [–]elvendude 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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    Here you go: http://www.complex.com/style/2012/02/30-shocking-photos-of-supermodels-without-makeup/

    http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=31804

    My understanding is that they look kinda funny and unattractive with normal lighting and no makeup as the oddities in their features is what makes them so attractive in the right lighting and angles.

    [–]AnotherLostCause 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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    Most of the horrid ones are post wall. The prewall ones I think would look pretty good in shorts and a Tshirt with no fakeup. The porn ones Ive seen are scary.

    [–]Serspring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I have no idea how to navigate that "complex" website. Maybe it's on purpose, but I'm not seeing any pictures there.

    [–]Knight_of_autumn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I guess I never really paid attention to their faces that much. But I have seen the before/after makeup posts here.

    [–]Dubsland12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    It depends, many super models are weird looking but some are knock down gorgeous. Victoria Secret Models and Actresses have a higher % of natural beauty.

    [–]sniperhiding 14 points15 points  (21 children)

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    I'm surprised more people here at trp DON'T write romance novels. We know what works, why not make money off it?

    [–]elchoma90 16 points17 points  (13 children)

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    Thanks for the idea. Now all I need are good writing skills!

    [–]nrjk 13 points14 points  (6 children)

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    Hey man, I just found this the other day on /r/InternetIsBeautiful.

    The stars are aligning...

    [–]JihadDerp 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    Holy shit, this is amazing.

    [–]PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Yeah, actually though. Wish I had this to look over some of my university essays. Definitely could have turned some B's into A's by doing the editing I was simply too lazy to do myself.

    [–]1exit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Just always remember this.

    (for those who don't know it - the quote is from "As Good as it gets", the lead being a neurotic (male) writer of romance novels)

    [–]jjshinobi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    If I was a neckbeard guy I'd tip my fedora.

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    [–]_JustKnight_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Someone show that app to Mr Tomassi plz. His needless overuse of big words and incredibly complex sentences (which could be reduced to 1/10 the length if he wasn't trying so hard to sound smart) makes the blog unreadable. Which is a shame because there is a lot of good content there.

    [–]Chexxeh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    now all i need are good writing skills

    No.

    [–]ComteDeSaintGermain 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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    E L James didn't have great writing skills

    [–]MrMagwitch 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    .

    [–]ComteDeSaintGermain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    i've never understood where it connect to twilight, except perhaps a)most of the story happens inside the head of the main character, b)the main character has no personality, c)the object of her attraction is a dangerous man

    [–]itwasntme19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    You should read the stuff published on amazon kindle. If you can describe the act in a way that can arouse the reader, the rest can be anything (filler, banter like in porn) been writing short erotic stories on tumblr for 2 years most of my followers are women. And publishing the first 3 short novels this fall.

    [–]JihadDerp 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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    /u/warlizard has a post on some subreddit, maybe /r/writing, about how he hit the $1,000 a day mark by writing a bunch of ebooks for platforms like kindle and nook. By a bunch, I mean he churns out like two or three books a week. They're not necessarily long. Maybe 10 pages, maybe 100. His strategy was pretty interesting. He split tested a lot of the covers and titles to see what sold better. Brighter colors that stood out, and specific titles that told you what the book would be about got good results. If the books were short, you should make them part of a miniseries to ensure sales of future copies. Another strategy was to look for best sellers in genres that didn't have a lot of titles, and write for those genres, which were basically under-served markets....

    I'm not in the mood to look it up, but if you can, you should try to search for and find his posts about making money publishing ebooks.

    [–]Warlizard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    That post was by someone using Throwaway_Writer as their name.

    [–]itwasntme19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I read this last year when I began writing. this lady was netting 30k plus a month writing "monster" porn originally called "fucking Bigfoot" but after a crack down by amazon on content that was to graphic, she change the tittle to "moaning for Bigfoot"

    http://www.businessinsider.com/monster-porn-amazon-crackdown-sex-fantasy-bigfoot-2013-12

    [–]tsudonimh 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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    Pride.

    Money is nice for what it can do, but it's not worth doing something you're ashamed of.

    [–]PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Everyone has a price. That's just the way 99%+ of humans are. For enough money, people will do anything.

    [–]MegaSuperCritic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Speak for yourself, I'd fuck a dog for enough money.

    Which would be a lot of money.

    [–]Tekidek 18 points19 points  (2 children)

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    about a video game geek who never works out, has no social skills and still lives in Mom's basement, but meets a supermodel who stalks him relentlessly until it culminates in an orgy with him, her and 4 of her best supermodel friends.

    I.e 80% of the relationship-themed Anime.

    [–]MrMagwitch 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    [–]Dreamtrain 10 points11 points  (6 children)

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    And make it that despite playing WoW and LoL, he's not even Lv80 and is Bronze/Silver in each respective game, our character shouldn't be remarkable even relative to other gamers.

    [–]sniperhiding 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    And he works at the last Blockbuster vhs rental store left in the nation.

    [–]dongpal 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    he doesnt work, he doesnt find a job and is lazy, lives at his mother's basement

    [–]sniperhiding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I was just thinking he had a job at the last Blockbuster. How else was he getting his comic book and mountain dew money?

    But he got fired because it's the last store closing down. Now he is a victim.

    But yeah, his mom does his laundry, cooks for him.

    [–]da_voodoo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    level 80? What is this, 2009?

    [–]Dreamtrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    In my defense I didn't play WoW, I hated its graphic art and played Guild Wars. Ok so that's a shitty defense lol.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children)

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    I know there have to be stories out there about the nerd/fat guy getting the hot girl. Nothing is coming to mind except Zombieland, but I'm not sure that counts because of the whole "last man on earth" theme.

    Someone help me out here.

    [–]1Jaereth 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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    Like this?

    I don't know if I have to write more so the bot doesn't delete it or not seeing as it's a link. I hope this passes?

    [–]WhenIntegralsAttack 9 points10 points  (8 children)

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    How about every single harem anime in existence?

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

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    Ya, those work. Although anime's target market is the NEET culture that has no hopes of getting women Iloveanime

    [–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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    I know a lot of girls into Anime. Interestingly, some of them are into the Harem shows, and they're actually hot.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    This is correct, actually. A lot of women are into this stuff as well. Mostly nerds, but also many women following the passions of their boyfriends after been introduced to it. For example, an ex of mine was passionate about this stuff. Though I'd be interested to know at what exacts rates, in comparison to men. And what kind of male protagonist is in the shows that they prefer in majority.

    I don't want to have a confirmation bias, but maybe they don't mind the polygamous vibes of it when its a more high value guy.

    [–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    What I've noticed is they just seem to like good stories. I haven't come across any trends in types of characters that they like. Although, no tentacle hentai.

    [–]igotbeatbydre 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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    There are a ton of movies out there where the nerd gets the hot girl. It's always the classic he gets her because she isn't "shallow" , but he sabatoges himself because he thinks he isn't cool enough, and she comes back with some speech about how I don't care how cool you are I like you for you. I wish I could think of some examples. Superbad comes to mind though

    [–]Kronouranos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    "She's out of your league?" Movie was shitty as fuck but the actress was a bombshell

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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    Big Bang Theory.

    Hot actress model neighbor hooks up with, dates, and proposses to beta bucks comicbook nerd scientist after dumping her alpha-jock boyfriend. Riiiight.

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      [–]PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Wasted all his best years not getting what his peers were, gets to lap up the leftovers, all post-wall, once he has his career on lock.

      We all know the story.

      Funny, come to think of it, every single woman's advice growing up was basically designed to make sure I remained a Beta for as long as possible. Bloody disgusting.

      [–]BoyMeetsHarem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Not always nerd gets girl, but nerd saves the day is all over Hollywood and literature:

      Superbad

      Say Anything

      Weird Science

      The Last Dragon

      The Karate Kid

      The Neverending Story

      Ender's Game

      The Hobbit / LOTR Trilogy

      Harry Potter

      Star Wars

      Spiderman

      Aladin

      Probably a ton more I'm missing...

      [–]M_rafay 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      You have just described a genre of anime and manga. And yes, this stuff is enormously popular.

      [–]alleypro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah, I was about to say. Anime is a medium, and what people were describing is just a genre. There are tons of other shows where there are more complex themes than just a wimpy kid hooking up with chicks, but no one cares, so for now, anime is just beta shit.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 2 points3 points  (24 children)

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      The book would never sell, but not for the reasons implied. It wouldn't sell because when it comes to reading, men are generally more into non-fiction. We don't have time to engross ourselves in fantasy world bullshit.

      At least that's the way I am; if I'm reading something, there is a purpose behind it, usually to educate myself and become less ignorant in matters paramount to self development. Only women and their feelz consume themselves in Disney princess nonsense.

      [–]bam2_89 42 points43 points  (11 children)

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      We don't have time to engross ourselves in fantasy world bullshit.

      Do you mean that in the sense of the Fantasy/Sci-Fi and Adventure genres? Because those fan bases are overwhelmingly male.

      [–]QQ_L2P 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      I personally think it's the difference between "protagonist doing stuff" (male) and "protagonist having shit done to/for them" (female).

      Take any story and look at the leads gender. From that, you can pretty much infer the rest of the book. Notable exceptions going to one gender who takes the opposite role. Ie a male who "has stuff done to/for them" who proceed to do nothing but mumble on about their feelings.

      This is why characters like Samus Aran and Lara Croft (chicks who get shit done) have been widely liked in video games as opposed to a character like Princess Peach or any of the other cardboard cut out female characters, that you could have replaced with a mango, whom are there only for story purposes.

      To me, if the protagonist is in the thick of it and doing things, that's interesting. If he's using 10 pages of exposition to tell me why her dress was the slightly wrong shade of magenta and why it ruined her day, I'm not going to be engrossed.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (5 children)

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      I enjoy literary fiction - but only the classics.

      I've read a few Stephen King and Tom Clancy novels, but most of my interest with fiction has been with the greats - Twain, Dickens, Hemmingway, Fitzgerald, Melville, Kafka, Joyce...

      I've also read Hunter S. Thompson, Jack Kerouac, John Updike...

      Science fiction is very cerebral - and some of the writers of the genre are masters - Vonnegut, Orwell, Bradbury, Asimov, Herbert, Huxley, etc...

      I've also read Blake, Dodgson, even a little Shakespeare

      The classics have always challenged the way people view the world. A great fictional novel communicates an idea, it interprets emotions, it reveals truth about the world.

      There is absolutely a masculine quality to great works of fiction. Outside Jane Austen and Virginia Woolf, the great authors have been men who have both courageously and brilliantly taken on the great human questions.

      Even the lighter fan scifi stuff like STNG promoted noble messages that holds humanity at a higher standard. That's why these guys like that stuff, because they want to believe that there is inherent good in the world.

      50 Shades of Grey is masturbatory fertilizer. It's grand message is that even the most pedestrian of women deserve to be worshiped by the greatest of men. It's misandry that overvalues women and undervalues men. It portrays that women are owed something because they have vaginas. Of course women are going to eat that shit up. It's a two dimensional guilty pleasure women can flick their bean to.

      [–]analrapeage 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      Jane Austen is melodramatic crap

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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      Pride and Prejudice is melodramatic, yeah, but it still is recognized as a literary classic.

      I wouldn't call it crap.

      It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife

      Opening line of the novel.

      The book is a synopsis on hypergamy and the games women play to leverage their beauty into the highest return.

      Austen is critical of women who are ruled by the vanity of their "Pride and Prejudice" instead of love. She makes the claim that hypergamy is morally indefensible and ultimately self defeating.

      Austen's books were very popular among women obviously, because they made the claim that a person could take on the great questions in life through "small talk in drawing rooms" instead of facing challenges on the high seas or other adventure. Through simple observation and analysis of human interaction can much be gleaned.

      I think she is right and wrong. While much can be learned from observing human behavior, I don't know how much a person can be tested in a drawing room, beyond shit tests - of which the book is FULL of performed by the each of the sisters. One could say the melodrama comes from the shit tests being deployed by these women while they are fully engaged in hypergamy.

      One of the biggest critiques TRP makes on contemporary society is that women are hypergamous despite the equality of opportunity they enjoy.

      Austen writes about it in the 19th century raw. It is in unabashed and fully explored. Austen is left with the same conclusion many of us end up with, that hypergamy is most definitely not altruism, but still a woman needs to be concerned with her own condition - it is unavoidable. She challenges women to consider love and companionship over materialism in their pursuit of happiness. She cautions that Pride and Prejudice do not bring happiness, but rather emptiness and difficulty.

      Here we are 200 years later at it seems women haven't learned a goddamned thing. They're as selfish and materialistic as ever.

      [–]widec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      The classics are not the only good fiction books though, there's bound to be some great books over the last few hundred years. That said, I read mainly non-fiction.

      [–]anonlymouse 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      Yeah, same. I got all my fiction reading done as a teen. A novel has to be incredibly well written now for me to go past the first page.

      [–]hohamocha 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah, same. I got all my fiction reading done as a teen. A novel has to be incredibly well written now for me to go past the first page.

      Same here, but Ill still watch stuff like Game of Thrones once in a while, because you can't get much education from TV anyways.

      [–]Nephoscope 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      I'd consider myself to be the same. I hate most fantasy as i feel it is a waste of time to read, and nothing can be gained from it, however discounting fiction as a whole is dangerous. Animal Farm is one of the greatest books I've read. Why? It is essentially a documentary of social behaviours, and there is plenty to learn from it.

      [–]Tigertroll14 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      Waste of time? I disagree! It Improves your imagination and that can be just as powerful as a book on history.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Nope, its an entire genre of content in anime and manga, and also a rampant themes in some mainstream books and movies.

      I know the manga/anime craze is pretty big in the west(usually among the socially inept), but in Asia, its even more so. People read that stuff all the time in public transport and such. It was very popular when I was in Malaysia at least, and China also consumes at a decent rate... the Japanese and Koreans are nuts about it. More than anyone else.

      The greater the concentration of beta males. The greater these themes proliferate.

      [–]Clbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      What if it was filled with erotica?

      [–]LegitAnswers 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      That's essentially some Japanese manga/anime atm. There are a tons of these with the main character as some loser kid, who SOMEHOW gets a bunch of girls to like him in his harem. They sell pretty well in Japan, actually.

      [–]iKill_eu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Oh my god!

      I'm gonna do this.

      [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I'm sure there are lots of pornos with that type of storyline. There are also movies like that, especially comedy type movies where the nerdy / goofy type guy, typically a comic actor, gets the hot girl.

      [–]TUVegeto137 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      It's called Weird Science.

      Seriously, about half of all pornos have that scenario. Except the male pornstars are better looking than your average nerd.

      [–]Clbull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      If you're not going to seriously write it, mind if I borrow the idea, write the book, attribute the idea to you and release it online free of charge? :)

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Um...this is the plot of about 300 porn flicks a year. So yeah, it sells well. :)

      [–]spacecase89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      To some extent that's the show Chuck

      [–]PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I'd buy and read this, just to be part of a very large point which needs to get made.

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        [–]Danizzy1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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        Be yourself and the princess will love you for the special snowflake you are!

        I lol'd

        [–]Magnum256 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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        How can that be a positive message to these young women though when all the heroines in these movies/series end up with an attractive guy who, in reality, they would never be able to attract?

        Now we're faced with a legion of disillusioned women who want the apex male when they have virtually nothing to offer.

        [–]PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Which is why becoming an alpha male lets you do whatever you want to these disillusioned women. If you as a man put in the effort, you can pump and dump all day, get called an asshole, and shrug it off while you search for some girl who actually is worth your while, simply due to not being raised on a diet of bullshit and instead has her own traits that she offers in return which compliment your own.

        [–]RP408JZG 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        But that's just it, it's a lie... it is the what I consider the GREATEST lie that men are sold. To be a supplcating beta loser in the movies is all the guy needs to land the hottest girl. It is the lie that brought me here, and why I feel such vitriolic hate towards movies with love stories in them, save for a few movies which stood out on their own.

        [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        Don't forget that the lie told in movies also gets flanked by direct and indirect relationship advice all over other media (advice columns, intergender-relations stuff, Oprah, blablabla).

        I hate to admit it, but the very first time in my life where I read something about relation- and courtship that actually made sense and added up with my experiences from, you know, real life, was when I stumbled over a PUA site.

        [–]RP408JZG 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Are you me? Because I had an eerily similar experience. Granted I read PUA shit all the time because I was looking for some magic formula to make it all fit. For me, TRP IS that that fix. Where I am now, versus where I was right before I found TRP, is night and day, and I KNOW for a fact I am more respected because of it.

        [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Are you me?

        Actually, I'm not, but I guess A LOT of guys can relate to my experiences. That's also the reason why the red pill exists - because at some point people notice that they've been fed too much feel-good bullshit all their lives and try the dark side of the force for once.

        [–]Dreamtrain 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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        Twilight was literally based on this premise. Bella was supposed to be the average of all averages, and as plain as possible and yet despite all this, she would still somehow be special enough that Edward Cullen would seek her out like she's crack.

        And then Jacob? Guy's the ultimate beta bux. Should Bella lose her plan A, she will always have her Plan BB.

        [–]QuietlyLearning 14 points15 points  (1 child)

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        50 Shades of Grey started as a Twilight fan fiction. That's why the premise is similar, they are exactly the same; switch out vampires for kinky sex.

        [–]Dreamtrain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Because switching the vampire to a billionaire is totally less fantasy and more like the real world.

        [–]Robdogx9001 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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        Meh, a plane Jane getting banged by a rich guy happens all the time in real life. The difference is Jane doesn't get called back.

        [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Genuine question:

        If that's wrong, what can a woman offer to top notch attractive men other than being as pretty as she can?

        They know that a degree in engineering doesn't make them more attractive.

        EDIT: It seems like no one can actually answer my question. What I'm saying is that, if you have a "top" man what would make him want one woman and stay with her other than her being very attractive physically? That's the main thing that can make a woman in the same "league" as a him. She can be a total slave to him and do everything to please him and he still will choose another woman who will do the same + she is more attractive.

        My point is that; it seems like women really don't have much of a choice other than being as pretty as they can because men place 90% of a woman's value in her attractiveness, physical attractiveness that is.

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        If that's wrong, what can a woman offer to top notch attractive men other than being as pretty as she can?

        There actually are women who are more interesting than others.

        [–]OBOllie3003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Well, if I am physically fit, I am expecting her to take care of herself as well. If I buy lunch, I expect her to cook dinner. Relationships are a two way street and feminism is saying it should only be a one-way.

        All relationships are an exchange of services. How much of 'x' is worth 'y' for you?

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        A woman who is AVERAGE and is also an Engineer (or other highly paid profession) with a great salary is far, far more attractive overall than some slightly more attractive girl who isn't in any way self sufficient to a man looking for an LTR. Remember, men find most women of average looks attractive. The same can't be said of women, who find a much lower percentage of men attractive. So I'd say the idea that 90% of a woman's value is in her attractiveness is a very DECEPTIVE idea, given that a much, much higher percentage of women overall are considered to be attractive by men. In fact, the idea that most women need to do anything at all to be considered attractive by men (other than not be obscenely fat) is just plain wrong. The problem most men face is not that women who achieve success aren't attractive, it's that there are still way too many of them who think they don't need to do anything, and expect you to do it all (entitlement). As long as they have beta sucker men who validate them, the situation persists. If you pair up with an AVERAGE looking (for most men, this is attractive) woman who is self sufficient and pulling 50% economically, you don't have to be afraid of being taken advantage of, because the woman is pulling 50%. If you split, not a big deal. If you put in 90% and she put in 10% because you went for some "attractive" nitwit, you just beta'd yourself, no matter how good you think your "game" is.

        [–]Murmaider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        And take care of her kid from the previously failed relationship

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        And yet if it actually happened to them, they'd be repulsed by his neediness. I don't care who he is, if he stoops down to that level, he's just being beta bux.

        [–]TurgidMeatWand 124 points125 points  (8 children)

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        That zero personality trait is an intentional writer's trick. The less personality a protagonist has the easier it is for the reader to insert themselves into them. Just like Neo from the matrix.

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          [–]Tekidek 43 points44 points  (0 children)

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          I read 400 pages of that book and barely had any idea of what the main character looked like; as far as I was concerned she was a giant Lego brick.

          LOL

          [–]abcd_z 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          I'm not sure how many people are aware of this, but 50 Shades was originally a Twilight fanfiction. The author just changed the names for publication.

          EDIT: aaand reading through the comments it looks like several people were already aware of this.

          Nuts.

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            [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            The shade in that sentence is epic...and perfect. :)

            [–]bat_mayn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            Maybe so. But Neo didn't act like an actual child. I'm well on-board the "50 Shades of Grey is a pedo-fantasy" conspiracy. In one of the later 'novels', these two actively talk about sexualizing a child who is not even born yet. I think it was the closing line in one of the shitty books.

            With Neo, the man is entirely competent and holds strong values. He doesn't have a lot of emotional depth, but the character is strong nevertheless. Viewers only see themselves as Neo in the very beginning, but as the movie progresses he becomes his own character.

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            This is why I can't stand female protagonists, they either have the complexity of a broom or are written as sensitive men.

            But it only works on women protagonists, male caracters need similar values or interior conflicts to be relatable.

            [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 52 points53 points  (11 children)

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            I never read the book. If your synopsis is accurate then this book is an example of why I'm glad I was born with a penis. Women all want the top alpha man (i.e. the powerful billionaire who is good looking, well hung, etc. etc.). Most women have zero chance of snagging this guy except maybe for casual sex, especially when they're young. That's why they usually end up with some guy they don't really want and then spend all their time bitching. As a man, my standards are much lower. I could be happy fucking an ugly $5 whore in an alley in Port-au-Prince. Women have a tiny number of desirable partners to choose from while I have hundreds of millions of women that I'd willing to bang. I could be rejected by 99.999% of women in the world and still get more reasonably attractive cookie than I could handle.

            [–]JGH8763 28 points29 points  (10 children)

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            If you were born with a vagina, you would have the freedom to fuck pretty much whoever you want. You could also choose to be a slut and have lower standards. An average guy has to work hard as hell to fuck one girl who is barely even attractive. An attractive guy has a similar level of freedom that women have. It's good to be born a woman or an attractive man. They're the ones with the best survival and reproduction rates, the best well-being. Being born an average man sucks, a lot. Just because an average man is not as hypergamous as a woman, that doesn't make him happier.

            [–]mudra311 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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            Yes but I think men are more "customizable" than women. Plus it's pretty cool to be physically superior

            [–]JGH8763 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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            Attractiveness is what determines physical superiority, and women are inherently more attractive, so they're physically superior. Yea, guys can beat women up, but then they go to jail. Why? Because women are favored over men. Women have higher social status, so while you can beat them up if you want, you will be punished by society. They're allowed to beat you up, though. So much for physical superiority. Also, yes, guys can do a lot of physical stuff better than women, but they're usually doing it FOR women. Again, attractiveness and social status. A hot woman is not as capable as one man, but she has at least 10 men working for her at any given time, simply because she was born with boobs and a vagina.

            [–]elektromonk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            yeah, but drop out of society for 5 minutes and see what happens (i.e. go camping, hiking, trail riding, hunting, surfing, etc.) and you'll be glad you're a guy.

            society just sucks in general in the current kali yuga

            [–]1cheekykunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            No, men are physically superior. Men dominate women in every sport there is. Men are trained to be women's watchdogs because individual women do not have the capability to stand up to individual men. But that's a case of societal conditioning etc etc, not a case of women being physically superior. They're not.

            [–]PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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            At least I can be happy with or without women. I can think of very few girls who are genuinely happy when men/ relationships/ love drama aren't a factor in their lives.

            [–]6Invalidity 48 points49 points  (0 children)

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            Many are misunderstanding what modern day rape is. It's no longer the conventional, "violent and forced sexual assault" that it was before. Rape today is defined by the person who committed the sexual acts. It doesn't matter whether it is violent or aggressive or even against someone's will, the rape of today's society is an accusation of unwanted rape by someone who is not deemed worthy by the recipient of said acts.

            You can receive consent for sex from a girl but if she regrets any of it, she will call it rape, and society will defend her.

            [–]Ojisan1 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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            Thank you for reading this book, so I won't ever have to.

            [–]1exit_sandman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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            Some things only work when there is some martyr willing to take one for the team.

            /salute

            [–]S1ayer 24 points25 points  (8 children)

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            Sounds like Twilight, where the female lead has zero personality so women can imagine themselves as her more easily.

            [–]Mein_Tarnaccount 22 points23 points  (2 children)

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            It was Twilight fanfiction. But the community didn't like stories with actual sex in them, so she changed the names and professions of the characters. Aaaaaand bestseller. It's seriously becoming harder and harder to take women as a group seriously. With Twilight, at least it was mostly young girls.

            [–]xtfr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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            The fanfic community loooooves stories with actual sex in them. It was super-popular in the community, to the point where they held some sort of convention for her when the story was still called "Master of the Universe." She couldn't get it published with Bella and Edward as the characters so she changed the names and professions aaaaaand bestseller. I try not to think about that so much. Makes me sad.

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            [–]mydarkmeatrises 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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            My SO explained this to me when this crap was on television once. I saw 15 minutes of and said, "this broad is what America is going crazy over?!? She's horrible." my SO said "exactly. she's so plain and alot of women see themselves as that."

            Which blows my mind even more. You would now think that women would have appreciation for the guys who show interest and attention, but too often these guys are cast aside due to their eagerness. But then I remember woman logic (during the courting period)which devalues loyalty, ease and comfort. These women don't view themselves as worthy, so they definitely won't respect the man who views them as worthy.

            [–]MegaSuperCritic 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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            These women don't view themselves as worthy, so they definitely won't respect the man who views them as worthy.

            That's powerful.

            [–]mydarkmeatrises 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Yep. Sad and true. I've seen it too many times.

            [–]VelociReactor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            Classic case of low self esteem, which is very common among women. This is why she needs to love you more than you love her. She will not respect you otherwise. Because they don't really love themselves all that much and it creeps them out when you are too into them.

            [–]MegaSuperCritic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            This chain has just opened my eyes. Wow.

            [–]teeelo 34 points35 points  (3 children)

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            It would seem the author knows how women work and exploited it for money.

            Good for her.

            [–]anonlymouse 54 points55 points  (1 child)

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            She just wrote her own fantasy.

            [–]Joshua_Falkner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            IIRC the book started as blog posts on a Twilight Fan Fiction site and most of the ideas were crowd sourced from the women urging her on.

            [–]LegitAnswers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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            I have one thing to say: I can't believe you read it. LOL.

            [–]MooMooMooN 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            It's Pretty Woman, Twilight and Sex in the City all rolled into one big shitty movie.

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            This book isn't about the sex, it's about the female fantasy of instantly checking out of the sexual marketplace with the highest Alpha attainable who also has pledged his complete beta servitude to her. He's hot, rich, well hung, and knows how to keep sex interesting but not TOO dangerous. He tells her what to do, where to be, how to do it. It's fine for her to listen, because he's rich, smart, and powerful. Other people defer to him, so it's OK for her to do so too. He also makes sure she has no need that's unmet, money will NEVER be an issue. That's the kind of "domination" women are after.

            Holy shit. Pure, pure....wisdom.

            [–]farbenwvnder 9 points10 points  (6 children)

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            I could have gotten it wrong but isn't the main girl in the movie trailer hot as fuck? Kinda defeats the purpose doesnt it

            [–]TurgidMeatWand 33 points34 points  (0 children)

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            She's Hollywood ugly I.e. Dresses frumpy and has shitty makeup, as the story progresses she becomes more beautiful so all the women identifying with her leave with an ego boost about their looks.

            [–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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            isn't the main girl in the movie trailer hot as fuck?

            eye of the beholder, I suppose.

            http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424848/?ref_=tt_cl_t2

            [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            I'd give her a solid 7/10. Not 10/10

            [–]redpillshadow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            Looks like a young E. L. James.

            Plain looking. As intended for the target audience.

            [–]Celonex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            The great thing about plain looking for the casting is that you could cheat and say have her do some parts kind of out of shape/poor makeup and slowly increase the fitness level/shape-good clothing/cgi to improve her as you go along. Much like Turgid pointed out.

            I think the fantasy of looking better for a hotter guy/money is very important for women since it allows them to believe that they will shine for what they think they deserve and have a reasonable excuse for how poorly they take care of themselves in a not top notch beta relationship.

            [–]10J18R1A 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            This synopsis was better written than the book.

            Then again, second grade compositions are better written than the book. But this nails it.

            [–]tayshady 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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            As a woman who has read all three books in 2 days - this couldn't be any more correct.

            [–]Evesest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for confirmation. I couldn't bare reading it myself.

            [–]throwingwater 8 points9 points  (8 children)

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            Random side note. This kind of reminds me of Japanese romance manga and anime only is the guy who is average and plain whereas the girl is powerful, pretty and rich. It's all stupid fantasies but the men who are obsessed with the equivalent of 50 shades of grey are probably more useless than the female version.

            [–]TurgidMeatWand 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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            Are you talking about train man? I've only seen the live action version but he spent the whole series lying to her about his personality to seem interesting and worthy of her and then busting ass to shed his betaness and make the lies true.

            [–]blazingblue16 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            Every single rom com + harem manga.

            The MC is almost always some guy who is thickheaded and unaware. Occasionally the MC does something manly or holds his frame then cue to a panel of some Anime girl stereotype like a moe character blushing and falling in love with the MC.

            This stuff is for entertainment and should not be taken seriously.

            [–]TurgidMeatWand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            I know it's for entertainment but it's actually kind of red pill. Nerdy guy goes on internet for advice on keeping this women interested in him.

            Gets better clothes, better haircut, broadens horizons to interests beyond video games and anime, starts exercising, eventually learns how to stand up to people who shit on him.

            [–]throwingwater 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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            Nah, I was thinking along the lines of stupid stuff like Maburaho or Love Hina or Ichigo 100% that a beta friend of mine was crazy over and made me watch with him when I was a teen.

            EDIT: I was ambivalent when I first saw it, but I realized how... much of a super beta fantasy they were after my first few relationships. Hoping that being shy and nice will get you a harem.

            [–]_valtiel_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            I liked Love Hina only because it was over the top and funny. Keitaro did eventually become somewhat alpha in the 12th volume.

            [–]incraved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Yup ! A lot Japanese hentai stuff depicts the guy as some mediocre short nerd.

            [–]drallcom3 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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            Let's not forget the worst part: The book is HORRIBLY written.

            [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            This pretty much sums it up.

            [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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            No, it's excellently written, because it does what it set out to do better than almost any book like it. You're not the target audience, you're not meant to like it. It's the equivalent of saying a steak is horribly prepared because you're vegetarian.

            [–]youreuryour 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            its "erotic" porn for women, deal with it. i will happily watch a movie about a 10/10 female mailwomen showing up to a house and helping the average looking guy with his "package". is it realistic? fuuuck no. will i watch the shit out of it? fuuuck yes.

            [–]hohamocha 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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            50 SOG is just a bunch of feminist entitlement propaganda saying that there is always a sexy rich man out there for you, gurl, no matter how you look.

            "There's the right person for everyone! You just have to wait!"

            Typical female hamstering.

            It makes the bitches excited because they cannot differentiate fiction from reality. They think since fiction (coated as reality) is telling them that they will all get a rich sexy man, it must be true. Time to run around in circles and scream "Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!"

            [–]Gioware 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            Well, the way you describe it, it seems this book was crafted by marketing genius.

            [–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Having the same fantasy as millions of other women and putting it onto paper uncensored does end up looking that way.

            [–]Buckfost 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            I read a study that said two thirds of romantic novels aimed at women contain scenes of forced sex. Two thirds! Some women hate to admit it but most of them like it rough.

            [–]Proud_Denzel 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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            Honestly, I don't get why we're overanalyzing this crappy novel.

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            Because it was very popular with women and it's themes resonate with western women.

            [–]__KnighT__ 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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            50 Shades is no artistic masterpiece. The book was written to push a woman's buttons and it has been wildly successful at that - which merits discussion.

            [–]1niczar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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            It's actually useful. I recommend reading "Dangerous Men, Adventurous Women" for the same reason.

            [–]sumfacilispuella 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I read it hoping it would have awesome freaky shit it. It was very light shit. It got half good at the end for a second, after which she freaks out and is like " you hurt me" or something like that. Waste of time. Should have known.

            [–]Acx3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            This is the formula for every Korean drama (+-) the sex part.

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              [–]AnotherLostCause 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Cinderella and Snow White, were both amazingly beautiful in those stories. Average women (step sisters/step mother) hated them because they were so beautiful. So they would be more of a super model marries prince story.

              [–]randomevenings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              It's not really BDSM either.

              [–]K3R3G3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Good on you for reading and analyzing it. Pre-TRP discovery, I really wanted to do so when it came out and all the women were going nuts over it. But I just believed what all the late-night monologue jokes said, that it was about light bdsm. I already knew women wanted to be roughed up (hair-pulling, choking, spanking, etc) and treated like whores in the bedroom. Should've done my own research, but better late than never. Unbelievable, but not, that it's totally not actually about what everyone was saying.

              [–]jokersmild 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Thank you for saving me from having to read or watch anything grey.

              [–]delirium_magpie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Princeton wives do not have this problem.

              [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              You seem to be thinking it's one or the other, as if 50 Shades could speak for the entirety of female sexual desire.

              Either they want to be dominated, owned, and cared for by a powerful, attractive man or they want to be forced into sex by him, full stop.

              I'd argue it's both.

              You are inadvertantly sweeping a crucial fact about females under the rug if you focus on just the former.

              They do have regular fantasies about actual, bona-fide rape.

              50 Shades is really just the tip of the iceberg, the part that is socially acceptable to be put into print and sold in family-friendly bookstores.

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                [–]csmass 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                I didn't realize Prince Charming had whips, chains, and gags.

                [–]spekode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                When you're Prince Charming you've got nothing but time to develop a taste for whips, chains, and gags.

                [–]drkstrs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                The treasured female centric fable of "talentless, poor, generally average female begrudgingly accepting rich, attractive, vigorous, talented man's affection" never gets old. Women LOVE this schlock and many come to expect that they could just take their pick while offering absolutely nothing in return to men except some vague prospect of average sex. Instead, they have a checklist, and man you don't even come close to measuring up to it. Most of us have met and dated women like this. It's never enough what you have done or have, yet they have done nothing at all and can't even fathom the idea that their own worthiness should be equal. One of the biggest values in this sub is revolution is recognizing this disgusting fable and never falling for it. Don't give them anything! Not even emotional support when it's not earned, where there is no equal exchange.