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    [–]1johnnight 76 points77 points  (16 children)

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    I'm quite passionate about motorcycles and whenever I bring it up (I'm looking for a new bike at the moment), I get the whole "its too dangerous"

    Every mother on this planet does this. Nobody ever got a response like "that is awesome. Danger excites girls. You will get a lot of chicks from this."

    Why? It's the maternal worry, an instinctual reaction that overrides the logical calculation of potential benefits. "Play it safe and give me my grandchildren."

    Don't resent it. Just ignore it.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 19 points20 points  (15 children)

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    Fellow 20 year old with a motorcycle here! It should be said that motorcycles are like self improvement in the sense that you should not do it solely for the reason of getting women; no, do it for you.

    And start on a 250cc bike. Seriously.

    [–]1rife_omeqa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Buying a motorcycle was one the best choices I've ever made.

    Freedom, exploration, challenge and interesting all in one. Plus wrenching in the garage with a drink is fucking awesome.

    [–]reigntastic 7 points8 points  (7 children)

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    I started on a 250cc bike (2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250r) and was bored after a few months, I'd say with a riders safety course a 600cc would be a good choice.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 32 points33 points  (5 children)

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    With all due respect, that's like a Navy SEAL saying in retrospect he would skip basic training.

    [–]nuclearbunnies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    It's all about ~respecting~ the power of your bike and not riding like an idiot. I learned on 600cc.

    [–]reigntastic 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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    With all due respect, in the Rider's edge safety course that I would recommend, they start you off with a 500cc bike.

    I did ride dirtbikes long before riding streetbikes, though.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    AFAIK, Rider's Edge is identical to the free Motorcycle Safety Course (MSF), but instead you have to pay ~$150 for the Rider's Edge program simply because it is conducted and marketed by Harley-Davidson.

    Source: http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10695

    [–]Sturmgeist781 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Thanks for the info. Was always curious.

    [–]ghostly5150 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Meh, I took a course and started driving my Suzuki Bandit 600 right out of the gate and have never had an issue. It's all about what you feel comfortable with.

    [–]Dr_Nikk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    The whole starting on a 250cc vs higher is up to many variables. I live in a super dense city where if I had a 600cc bike I would never get that baby into the high-end. I currently have an '07 Kawasaki Vulcan EN500 mostly because I love cruisers. However, I do miss my '07 Kawasaki Ninja EX 250. It was fast as I needed to be in the city and nimble enough that I could get around shitty drivers in Maryland. That being said, the advantages of the 250 end on the highway. If someone were to be a regular highway rider, the would 250 suck ass.

    [–]Ak_Float_Flyer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    Meh. I learned on a Harley, in Southern California. There is a lot to be said about learning on something big and mildly tuned.

    Guy could buy one and still own it 27 years later like I do mine instead of trading up a size every couple years, and it would be be safer than a sportbike and cooler than a beginner's bike.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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    I was more talking about bikes that maximize power/displacement, such as sportbikes, supersports, nakeds, standards, etc. Harleys on the other hand (and non-Diavel cruisers in general) are infamous for having big engines that don't make much power.

    [–]Ak_Float_Flyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly. Harleys, cruisers and dual-sports sacrifice peak horsepower for torque right across the powerband, which makes for a much more docile bike. Nothing rattles a new rider's confidence worse than stalling his bike at an intersection, unless it's popping an unintended wheelie right afterwards.

    Unless a person lives in a nation or state with "tiered" motorcycle licenses, displacement is irrelevant. Weight doesn't even matter much unless you are teaching your girlfriend or son, and is actually an advantage on the highway. 100 miles of freeway on a Harley is fun; on a 250 Rebel it would be miserable.

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    infamous for having big engines that don't make much power.

    I know right? Those pirate-like jackasses buying those Hardley-Ablesons can't be having any fun one those Crap-Glides.

    [–]FalcoBombardi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    The sentiment here is correct but honestly 250cc is too low for an average size guy. A Honda 500cc Rebel is the ideal training bike.

    [–]ColdEiric 34 points35 points  (1 child)

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    Tell the feminists that it is "your body/money, your rules." And then get back to your mission.

    [–]Wheatspin 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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    You're so selfish by not thinking only about us women!

    -Every woman ever

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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    The female definition of selfish: not putting her first.

    [–]helio2k 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    That's crazy, i'm 26. And nobody is advising me to settle down :D (maybe the german attitude towards this is diffrent)

    [–]Andrewticus04 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    It is.

    Source: Dated a German

    [–]1H42 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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    When they say you are selfish, just say, "Yes, I'm selfish. My life is all about me! I'm going my own way and don't need a wife to validate me or my choices."

    [–]isplicer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    I know someone with that exact attitude, except they want kids. Is there a solution?

    [–]1H42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    He's like 20. He can change his mind when he's 30 and get an RP wife to have kids. Until then, ENJOY BEING SELFISH!

    [–]Tom_The_Human 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    They could get a woman who either doesn't care or they can dominate, or they can have a surrogate mother.

    Although, I will say that I think the kids should come first.

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      [–]Dopamine37 18 points19 points  (5 children)

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      My dad whom I consider RP cause he can easily and calmly handle the three wolves (mum and her two crazier sisters) has beat it into me to never get a motorbike. It's a parental thing. But again ppl should do what makes them happy

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          [–]ForgotMyNameGG 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          That's fucked, texting while driving is just an accident waiting to happen.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          There isn't a thing you could do to stop that group of people who are just going to keep texting and driving. It's a big reason why I'm alright with self driving cars taking over.

          [–]199639 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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          They certainly are dangerous but to me the reward of riding is worth the danger. I wear protective gear and NEVER ride while drunk or impaired (tired, etc) and I very rarely ride on weekend nights when the drunks are out in cars.

          [–]Dr_Nikk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Obviously you haven't been on /r/motorcycles, ever. ATGATT is a pretty prevalent aspect of young motorcycle culture. The majority of these "macho assholes who insist on wearing no helmets" are either baby boomers late into the game, dumbasses who want to weed themselves out, or hardcore bikers who just don't care.

          [–]ImBloodyAnnoyed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Almost lost a brother to a motorcycling accident.

          Do what makes you happy but for the love of god please wear a helmet, armor and ride safe.

          [–]PlanB_pedofile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          My first bike crash I was glad I had my helmet. It cracked the thing.

          Plus helmets are bad ass these days.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Key word being macho assholes who insist on wearing no helmets. With proper leathers, helmets and safety training, the risk is minimized. It's all about attitude.

          [–]youreunbelieveable 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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          $1200? Nice haul do you frequently stack $ that much in 3 weeks?

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            [–]just_dew_it 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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            If you want some advice about thoughtfully selling your shit, here's an article that has helped me massively: http://markmanson.net/minimalism

            [–]ThePedanticCynic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            I have the same experience, too. I was raised by a single mom and a sister, who taught me only the passive approach to life. Things will happen as you need them to, let things come to you. All that bullshit people say to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own lives.

            About a year ago i temporarily moved back in with my mom, and started exercising like a fiend. She kept telling me there was no need, the right woman would love me for who i am. By this point i was already clued in to a lot of the bullshit she'd told me as a kid, so i ignored her and went running twice a day, instead of just once.

            Spiteful exercise is very motivated exercise.

            [–]dongpal 70 points71 points  (59 children)

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            very similar to my story... whenever i go to the gym to lift weights they say "you alread look good , just be nice to the girls" , or which i still hear daily "one day one girl will come along , just wait" it pisses me off so much seeing how they brainwashed me my whole life

            [–]CloakedOrchid 55 points56 points  (3 children)

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            http://i.imgur.com/tAQgDvY.jpg

            Never let other people dictate your goals. Besides your mom (maybe), almost nobody actually has your best interests at heart. Every cry for complacency from your girlfriend is just fear that you'll find someone better--because you can--and every half-joking insult from your buddies is concern that you'll leave them in the dust, or that they'll have to start working to catch up.

            Not only that, people will twist everything to make themselves look better. The same friend who once told me to stop working out because I would "scare girls" told me a year later that he was "proud" of my progress. I laughed in his face and told him that listening to his advice would have guaranteed my failure, and to never take credit for my work again.

            [–]fruit7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            posting this to /r/getmotivated

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              [–]Turtles4lyfee 35 points36 points  (40 children)

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              Wow. Is this a North American thing? Ive got a South Asian background, living in Canada in a single parent household, and my mom ALWAYS gave me shit if I acted like a bitch or showed non-masculine traits. Really encouraged me to lift weights. This whole "feminine guy" culture is flat out depressing, wish more single mothers or mothers in general would push their boys to be men like my mom did.

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                [–]Dopamine37 8 points9 points  (17 children)

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                How are your women there if I may ask? Are they beautiful as the whole world reiterates or are they butch and fat as I have heard some people who visited their say? Are they all raging feminist liberals as I often hear on the internet?

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                  [–]youreunbelieveable 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Interesting insight, thanks. Im interested in Sweden just because I've never been to Scandinavia. Id imagine the women are attractive being tall fair and thin. How does the feminist issue shape their personalities? Are they "sex positive" enabled sluts who will bang early and often?

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                          [–]TestosteroneFilled 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                          I'm not Swedish but they're definitely pretty for the most part. Tall, healthy looking and not fat. But the weird part is that they pussified the men so much with this feminism bullshit etc. that they're not attracted to the local men anymore so they date the immigrants and the macho tourists. Any aggressive and dominant guy will pretty much get in their pants easily. I guess they try to stay beautiful to attract those men? They truly are extremely slutty tho:

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12UgYRC7F4I

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEm1eR_hsq8

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqsAOMUlZPU

                          [–]Menadian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                          Scandinavia is a hell-hole of feminism.

                          [–]RedditReddiRedd 4 points5 points  (8 children)

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                          I feel bad for you. I don't know if Sweden is repairable, it must be terrible to live in a country that's being engulfed by feminism and other crazy ideas.

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                            [–]RedditReddiRedd 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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                            Are there a lot of pissed off people like you? I mean, is it only the politicians/vocal and powerful liberal minority that is advocating for all this bullshit over there, or is there a large population of people who hate it? If you wanted to take over Sweden through military coup, it wouldn't be that hard seeing as how all the politicians are feminists and beta males...

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                              Sweden is done, even the damn muslim imigrants in Sweden are turning into betas

                              Really? I always figured the native Swedes would commit suicide through their crazy liberal policies and then the muslim immigrants would replace them.

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                                [–]PewPewDiie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                                There is one party out of the swedish parlament's six parties that is against this extreme feminism left wing makeover of sweden (SD). There is even one party (F!) which will maybe get in the parlament this year which want to completely get rid of Sweden's military (bet Russia would love that).

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                                There is even one party (F!) which will maybe get in the parlament this year which want to completely get rid of Sweden's military

                                ... what? Well, Putin will probably be a better leader anyways. If anyone can save Sweden, it's Putin. Either that or he'll replace the Swedes with Russians.

                                [–]whitey_male 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                The FIRE sector (finance, insurance and real estate)likes extreme feminism.

                                Divorce = more houses needed, more insurance and more mortgages.

                                This is why there is little to no difference between the two major political parties in western countries. They both almost entirely rely on the banks to fund their election campaigns.

                                Oh the irony of the Occupy types doing exactly what those bankers they despise want them to do.

                                If men were granted even a smidgeon of things going back in their favour you'd see the stock market go down by at least 10%. Probably even recession or a depression.

                                [–]Tom_The_Human 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                                I'm from England and my mum always gave me the whole "you look fine/the gym is an obsession/the right girl will come along" bullshit. Now I have the Red Pill, a lot of her actions make sense. I shut her up with amused mastery the other day when she was bitching about some inane bullshit. It was a great feeling.

                                [–]CloakedOrchid 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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                                Really depends on the single mom. My immigrant (Eastern Europe) mom raised me by herself, but she was raised largely by her dad, who fought in WWII and didn't take shit from anyone. My mom is basically a dad, and is RP as fuck with beliefs like "Girls now are stupid; at least whores get paid for fucking random guys from the bar. And it's feminism's fault. They're all fucked! Why would guys want to get married anymore when they can just sleep around?"

                                This only really dawned on me when I kept hearing about guys raised by single moms, and how fucked up they could be, and I wondered why that hadn't happened with me.

                                [–]Dr_Nikk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                                I'm not sure. My mother is a Filipina and my Dad is Canadian. My mom always pushed me to be masculine but she always became "scared" if you will that she would lose her little boy. I just wished my parents would have pushed me to lift sooner. I always have to hear, "Don't lift so much, you'll hurt yourself" and "Why don't you just relax?".

                                [–]ghostly5150 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                I think it's a parent to parent thing. I was also raised by my Mom and live with 3 sisters. But I still played all the sports I wanted, had all the gun and other toys for boys. I also think it helped me realize the horseshit that would come out of women's mouth daily, at a young age. I would see the nice boyfriends tossed aside after a short stint, but the ones they complained constantly about stayed until they were done with my sisters

                                [–]IAmTheIlluminatiAMA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                It is an American thing. Men are very, very feminized here. Only reason I haven't divorced my wife is because I know she'll get custody and raise my son to be a bitch.

                                [–]squishles 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                                Yes, really anywhere with white people. Little "gentleman" ticks that work their way into you're head. You never stop feeling that guilt twinge not holding a door for a woman.

                                Work with a lot of first gen immigrant women from that general southeast asia area, they've been helping me spot little things I didn't even notice. The habits really skeeve them out XD

                                [–]rockymountainoysters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                                Storytime! bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot

                                [–]squishles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                                They're older married mostly, and I'm not a fan of shit where you eat; not really story worthy. Gov tech contracting, they grab women from other countries to get the ratio's they need for benefits. All citizens still, can't even pick up an accent with some of them it's freaky.

                                Gotta learn how to spot their reaction to get it. Chinese women get polite, and look for some way to pay it back, generally food, then their personality snaps back to normal. They reconcile it as a trade, had to figure that out to not get fat. Indian women it's simpler you get this really confused look, and it goes full if you give a mouse a cookie, then they get catty at anyone else doing it. Kinda worried about one of the indian ones, she's older married and taken to ball gazing on me.

                                Normally you'd do an unwarranted kind/nice thing for an american woman, and they don't even blink, it's expected. Getting any kind of reaction makes a great sounding board. Most of the time it's little things like hold a door, walk with them to a common location, help them with random bit of info, even helping change the water cooler drum will set this stuff off.

                                [–]dai_xinyi_boxer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                you have the greatest mom on the planet.

                                [–]Talkshitgethit 24 points25 points  (0 children)

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                                just wait

                                Women's solopism, for them, "just wait" is a valid strategy. They can ride the cock wheel all through their 20's, and still have a nice, respectable man who is willing to support her because he's a "real man" who doesn't care what happened because "the past is the past". They don't have to actively pursue a man, all that's necessary is to post a selfie, and watch the Beta's emerge.

                                If you're a man reading this, and you think you can just sit passively and be with a woman, you will be dissapointed. Mother nature doesn't give two shits if you die old, alone, and a virgin, no matter how much of a "nice guy" you are. You cannot "Just Wait"

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                                "you alread look good"

                                "Good isn't good enough, and I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing it for me." That's my go-to response.

                                The "you already look good" response is especially annoying coming from other people that work out. You'd think they, of all people, would understand.

                                [–]Enphuego 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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                                Your mistake was not making it look effortless. Most people are allergic to hard work and don't want to be reminded that it's necessary for results.

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                                Most people assume I have a great metabolism which is why I eat like a pig and I'm still thin. Truth is, when I eat like a pig it's because I usually only eat a couple times a day, and I'm so impatient that I prefer jogging over walking because it's faster.

                                Another great way to stay in shape is to do jobs that require a lot of physical labor. I'm too lazy to join a gym, but I refuse to sit at a desk 40 hours a week because last time I had an easy job I gained 40 pounds and 4 inches to my waist. Working in a factory was the best thing that happened to my body.

                                Actually, people assume I don't put in any effort. When they make these comments, I think it's a reflection of how they view themselves. If I continue to improve myself while they remain content with obesity, it stings their ego.

                                Because of this, I'm not allowed to want to improve. My body magically shapes itself so I'm a narcissist when I go as far as actually taking initiative.

                                [–]Enphuego 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                Well whatever you do, don't tell people this. Let them live in their comfortable delusions about a "fast metabolism" and move on.

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                                I can't help myself. I honestly wish everyone could love themselves as I love myself. They will never be able to love themselves if they think they can't do anything about their weight. But like you said, people are allergic to hard work. They all want instant gratification. They want to consider their three hundred pound bodies beautiful based on the fact that society loved the 140-180 pound Marilyn Monroe. They want fad diets and dietary supplements, despite the fact that the true secret to weight loss was discovered eons ago, and is backed up by simple laws of thermodynamics.

                                [–]u_fukn_wot_m8_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                                Man, same feels. I went out with some family on the weekend. My aunt (who is a very hardcore feminist) gave me a big rant about how I am "persuing hegemonic masculinity" or some shit by working out. I just looked at her like she was stupid and was like "I'm healthy. Don't try to make me feel bad for it"

                                [–]bautron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                A saggy ridden post wall lady will come along for sure, you can count on that. We all know how that goes.

                                [–]elchoma90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                Don't take it personally, they're just as confused as you were.

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                                  [–]dongpal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                  because it worked for them and they think it will work for us men too

                                  [–]just_dew_it 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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                                  Holy fuck I know that feel. When I first found TRP and got to the point where I went and stayed over at a girl's place, my mother would try everything to shame the fuck out of me for "fucking random girls", not getting a gf, what would her parents say, all that shit. Proceeded to ignore it, just like the remarks about exercising being dangerous, my friends being fucking gangsters, a buzzcut looking too manly and "not boyish enough"..

                                  Fuck.

                                  [–]tycho128 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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                                  Dude are you me? I remember when I didn't come home and mom had asked where I was, I told her I spent the night at a Girl's apartment. It was my first time doing something like that so I was pretty proud of myself.

                                  Proceeded to try to shame the fuck out of me. Telling me how I was fucking trash, how I was better than that, how I would get her pregnant. I was pretty uncomfortable around the whole conversation but I made sure not to let it get to me too hard and just ignored her.

                                  Than she went apeshit mode and went into this huge tirade which ended with her telling me that my Father never wanted me. That got to me. a few hours later, I shed tears in front of her, cussed her out and told her she inflicted some serious pain she would never truly understand and for the most bullshit reason. Than I left to recuperate with some true bros.

                                  Not the way for a man to respond, and I knew it wasn't a mature way to handle that: Crying and cussing and then leaving. But fuck it was probably one of the most painful moments in my life.

                                  Funny thing is, to this day she has never fully realized just how damaging those words were to me. I remember I had spent the night with with my last GF for the first time and just didn't bother telling my mother I wasn't coming home. Then when me and my bros were back chilling at my place. He let it slip in front of her.

                                  Later she confronted me and asked me why I didn't tell her.

                                  "Because last time I did you said my Father didn't want me"

                                  And she just rolled her eyes in that "oh geez" kind of expression. Like none of it meant anything. It enraged me that she never got the magnitude of her words and still doesn't. It's something I will never forgive her for.

                                  On the plus side, I actually have a good relationship with her now. Basically because I assert myself and act more like I do around other women (AKA: cocky jackass).

                                  That really is the key to those of us raised by single mothers, treat her like any other woman. With a degree of respect of course, she is your mother. She could have had you aborted and sucked down a drain. But she didn't and that alone should command your respect. Just remember that that respect was still earned and it can still be lost. If your mother pulls some serious shit, she has lost your respect and she has to earn it back.

                                  And if she pulls the "I gave birth to you, you must respect me no matter what" (Huge shit test here) just say.

                                  "I didn't give you a petition asking to be born. That's totally on you."

                                  [–]Tom_The_Human 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                  I can relate to this. My mum is a good mum overall but when she gets pissed she goes wild. I can't tell you the amount of times she's said "you're just like your father." My dad was an abusive alcoholic who made the first 12 years of my life living hell.

                                  [–]just_dew_it 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                  Haha, sounds familiar. The problem with me is that I was considered a really fucking bright kid, like, Mensa-level intelligent. And until puberty I was just that, a smart fucking loner who did well at school and was nice to everyone.

                                  In my early teen years, I did what every beta outcast did - got a computer and played video games all day. She wasn't too happy with this as it struck down on my grades, but it wasn't that much of a problem for her because I still was at home and, as I mentioned, a fucking beta.

                                  After a few years I got more into contact with my dad, the biggest badass I know. He teached me some very important lessons for life, and it wasn't too long until I eventually stumbled over TRP, and that's when all the fun began.

                                  The thing about "almost handling her like any other woman" sounds fairly reasonable, let's see how that works out.

                                  [–]IAmTheIlluminatiAMA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                  Because even to most mothers a man's pain is always unwarranted and to be looked down on.

                                  [–]1spicy_fries 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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                                  This is really good news. It is amazing that threads on a reddit sub can change the direction of someone's doomed life. It pains me to hear the environment you started off in, but I think you'll make up for it in short time.

                                  [–]2asd1100 30 points31 points  (1 child)

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                                  Let go, let go of the hate, resentment, the memories and the need to please. Living despite someone is just as harmful as living for someone approval.(not saying you do this but I know how tempting it is)

                                  You are your own man, build your life, take the hits, enjoy the successes. You are all you have in this world, you can be great or you can be nothing it's all on you. Act accordingly.

                                  [–]vough 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                                  You are all you have in this world

                                  Thank you for that.

                                  [–]reddiforlove 39 points40 points  (0 children)

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                                  My goal in life was to "make a woman happy for the rest of her life."

                                  Whew, you really dodged a bullet! That would've have been a long and painful journey to beta bux town.

                                  Congrats and good luck on your journey.

                                  [–]Niemamnick 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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                                  I can totally relate. I wish I hadn't been raised by a single mother.

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                                  Even though I love my mother with all of my heart because she's the only woman that can love me unconditionally, I still wish I had a father figure in my life.

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                                    [–]YouBigDingus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                                    Dude you should send your friend this link. It might put some things into perspective for him. He needs to understand that his behavior is very typical for men raised by women.

                                    [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                    Guys may learn slow but they keep learning til they're about 35. You may have used up your patience with him, but he'll get there. Have him come read here if he'll go for it.

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                                      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                                      "He tried putting his hand on my boob and I slapped him so hard!"

                                      That is such a blatantly obvious lie that it's actually funny. What's that actually code for? "He groped me and I loved it so I took off my shirt but I don't want you to know that" ? Hahaha

                                      [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      And you might expect to learn something from the "inside" communication among women, right? Nope, their talk is pretty much all posture talk. They lie to each other.

                                      Each women is all alone out there, her friends will be moralistic in their posture talk, so don't worry about that stuff just do what comes naturally, and enjoy.

                                      [–]rp_manifesto 17 points18 points  (1 child)

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                                      They dont like it, but maintain frame and give it time and they will respect it.

                                      [–]MajorStyles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                                      Ditto. Maintain frame and reap the eventual piles of admiration.

                                      [–]Notinjuschillin 15 points16 points  (2 children)

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                                      I'm right there with you. I grew up with my mother and 2 sisters. I was in the middle, 1 older sister, 1 younger. I was pretty much a tool to be used when my mom needed then tossed aside till I was needed again.

                                      I had all the male jobs at home like throwing out the garbage, anytime the clothes line fell I had to climb up the clothes line post to put the clothes line back up. This is Brooklyn NY, we lived on the 3rd floor in a 6 family apartment building so I had to climb really high to put up that clothes line. Looking back, that was really dangerous. I would never have my child do that. Had I fallen I would have either been crippled for he rest of my life or died from the fall. I had been doing that since I was kid, don't remember how old.

                                      Anytime my sisters wanted to get back at me they would tell my mom I called her a bitch then my mom would hit me then punish me even though I told my mom that it wasn't true. my youngest sister would call those phone party lines when no one was home. so when the phone bill came in, of course I was he one to blame. one day I caught my younger sister on the phone line...tore the phone out of the wall, kicked her ass and of course I got he full blame for that.

                                      My mother was another story... My mother would always try to find fullfillment in life whether it be through religion or a boyfriend and if it failed then I was the one to blame. Not my sisters but me.

                                      TLDR; I can relate

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                                      Arhh the good old blame the boy for something he didn't do. Every guy with a sister can relate.

                                      [–]chunkit1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                                      You were unfortunately the thing that reminded them daily of the man that they wanted/needed in their life but couldnt have. Reminded your mother of the man she once loved who was no longer there for her. Reminded your sister of the daddy she so badly wanted. So they took it out on you. Sorry man. I know the feel.

                                      [–]MagicGainbow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                                      The funny thing is the 'douchebags' they are trying to 'save' you from OP is probably the type they go for and who pump and dump them, and to make things worse they serve as an effective advertisement for how shit your life will be if you go down the 'sensitive' route.

                                      [–]raven2000 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                                      I have a pretty overbearing mom. I've learned to ignore most of the negative coming from her. She's a very giving person, to a fault. Now that she is elderly, empathy and compassion are out the window. Kinda sad to see. Strangely, getting old has also turned up the "typical annoying female behavior". You would think lack of estrogen would make her more pragmatic or logical. Noooooo.

                                      Example: she went out to an event with my girlfriend. After the fact, my girlfriend reported that several times my mom tried to tell her what she needs to do to change me. This included trying to convince me to not work out as much, because girls don't like such big muscles. My gf informed her that she likes my muscles, and I'm a big boy and can do whatever I like and it's not her place to try and change me (I love this girl).

                                      My girl is foreign, btw.

                                      [–]verus_mas 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                                      dominating/overprotective/overbearing mother...check
                                      absent father...check
                                      annoying, harassing sister...check

                                      I can relate a lot with your upbringing OP. Seriously, move out. It is one of the best decisions I've ever made. You need to get out of that toxic environment and learn to be your own person with your own views instead of all the blue pill shit your family keeps feeding you. I also would get told by my mother and sister how "women are goddesses" and should always be respected unconditionally. They would also always scream and cry to get whatever they wanted. I lived in a house full of babies.

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                                      I'm planning to move out at age 21 or 22 at the very latest. Because school is so bloody expensive nowadays, I'm going to save up some money for when I rent an apartment when I'm out of my house.

                                      [–]MrRexels 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                                      I don't wanna sound redundant, what with 4 other people saying ''it's just like me!'' but if I don't say it I won't be able to sleep properly tonight.

                                      It's like I'm looking at myself in a mirror with this, even through I didn't had a gay brother or an old sister, I did had a very ''dominating/overprotective/overbearing mother'' and a distant father. I still love my mother and understand why my father had to be constantly working, but still, it puts everything in perspective to be reading it from someone else. Hell, I'm about to 20 too!

                                      I found it hard to make the first step though.

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                                      Sounds similar to my childhood but my mom had a few moments of brilliance. I still remember when I was getting picked on at school by this one big smelly motherfucker who sat next to me in history. He'd pinch me and give me dead legs and when I'd tell him to stop the teacher would yell at me. I told my mom and she told me to tell on him. I refused because I knew that would make me a pussy. She got a weird look on her face and all of a sudden she goes "Ok. You get one punch. Make it count."

                                      I went back to school the next day exhilarated. I was about eleven and half his size but I had carte blanche to knock this motherfucker on his ass. I was so excited that I couldn't help but tell him with a big smile, "My mom said I can punch you in the face." He looked at me horrified and never bothered me again.

                                      [–]Captain_Self_Promotr 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                                      Female lawyers. I don't know if the profession creates these monsters or monsters are attracted to the profession (probably the latter) but they are a beast to which to avoid. Elementary school teachers however ain't that bad at least I don't think. So be thankful your mom wasn't a judge or lawyer.

                                      [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                      Law school turns decent people into assholes. Saw it happen to a male friend of mine. I am sure its effect on women is even worse.

                                      [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      Depends on the type of law they do and their style. Ball busting litigators are different than corporate lawyers in a cubicle. You know not of what you speak.

                                      [–]youreunbelieveable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      Yes, and wall street women too

                                      [–]1kick6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                                      I can definitely tell my mother and sister don't like it either.

                                      Probably a good indication you're doing it right

                                      My sister doesn't want me to lift weights because I will "look like one of those douchebags"

                                      Of course not. She wants you to pre-disqualify yourself from all women's intimacy so they don't have to reject you themselves. How DARE you make women have to decide if they want to fuck you or not!

                                      mother doesn't want me to work for a junk hauling business or buy a longboard because "its too dangerous and you'll hurt yourself." (I get scrapes and minor scratches from both...whoopdee fucking doo...)

                                      My momz did the same shit. My dad played football in HS, and hockey in junior college. Shit, my dad was a fighter pilot. I wasn't allowed to do any of that for the same reason: I might hurt myself. Dad was off trying to make money, and had little say in the matter. Jakes on them: she thought soccer was a non-contact sport. And now...now I race sportbikes.

                                      Both of them call me "selfish" when I say that I don't want to get married...what the fuck....

                                      It is selfish, but so what? You don't owe any woman 50% of your shit. You're just kicking the chair out from under their belief that every woman deserves some man to pay for everything. Fuck them.

                                      [–]whitey_male 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Same here a very similar situation. Bad families make life ridiculously harder. Not that they are intentionally bad, just so stupid and not self aware.

                                      I think a lot of older people don't know how bad women have become and so brought up their kids to be good beta men.

                                      But good for you you're so young and on the way.

                                      [–]PlusGoody 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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                                      How do you explain inner-city black men? They are raised with essentially no adult male influence: no father around, women teachers and social workers, grandmother still around (grandfather gone or dead), etc.

                                      [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                                      More than a year ago there was a ROK article called 'How Black America Has Predicted Our Future', which was discussed on TRP: 1 2

                                      Check it out.

                                      [–]1iluminatiNYC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                                      As a Black guy, I will say that a lot of it has to do out of sheer desperation. When you see how low things can go, you'll fight out of it if for lack of options. Though the wussiness does shine though. LOL

                                      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      Is this a rhetorical question?

                                      They join gangs because that's the only way they can have male influences in their lives.

                                      [–]slideforlife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      and demographics demonstrate their unmitigated social success?

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                                      Sounds actually surprisingly similar to me. Generally anybody, even family, that tells you to not improve yourself, should be considered not your family anymore. I'm serious. Like telling you to not go to the gym, especially from a close family member can be extremely toxic and it speaks volumes about their character.

                                      [–]motorsizzle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      You might want to check out /r/raisedbynarcissists

                                      [–]BluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                                      You will find lots and lots of support on this reddit. It is one thing when a grown man is facing a wife determined to betafy him. Sometimes he can even win the battle. A young boy with a distant father, no cultural examples of masculinity, a domineering mom and sisters has no hope whatsoever. None.

                                      However, you should not feel bad that you succumbed to the social beast that is feminism. Feel GOOD that you have identified the enemy....and welcome home.

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                                      identified the enemy

                                      I like that phrase there. Instead of pointing fingers at my upbringing/feminism for when I fuck up in life, I've developed the "that is why I'm the way I am and it will take some time to reverse it" mentality.

                                      [–]bautron 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                                      Till youre 30. Man you can easily get it right in 2 years. In less than 2 years this will all feel natural.

                                      So natural you wont even care about getting back at your mom and sis for all that. Youll be above it by then because you feel great.

                                      Also serves the lesson of what women are capable of if you let them.

                                      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                                      Wow you're not even 20 yet? Count your lucky stars that you discovered this so early in life.

                                      But yeah I can vouch for your theory too - batshit crazy, immature, overbearing mom, and a dad that mostly just stayed out of the way and avoided rocking the boat. My dad taught me more about how to tiptoe on eggshells to not make mom angry, than he did about how to be a functional adult male in the real world.

                                      [–]batfish55 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                      Very similar to my upbringing, but you forgot a BIG one: every fucking time you watched TV or a movie, all the BP "nice guy" bullshit was reinforced.

                                      [–]2RedPill4LYF 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                      What I wouldn't give to be in your position at that age. I am envious that you are aware so early. I did get myself on the right track naturally with self improvement, but the tricks women would devil me with eluded me all the way into my 30s before finding this place.

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                                      People on this community tell me that quite often when I mention my age. To be honest with you, there are some days where I feel hopeless and like complete shit, but then I read stories about how men in their thirties are much more attractive than they were in their twenties. People around me disagree when I say that, but we'll see...

                                      [–]H3lius 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                                      It fucks you up, but get over it. I was raised by a single extremist christian mother and two sisters. I went to a homeschooler's school that was pretty good for my social life... but my mom taught piano and music theory there.

                                      Also, I'd argue that being a beta from this kind of home sets you up to break free/become a man in a way that is 10x better than breaking from from a healthy home. Why you ask? Because you now have PERSPECTIVE and real EXPERIENCE. You know about the other side that many don't. You can become a man and then relate to 80% of boys in America to help them break free.

                                      That's why no one listens to people that have been skinny their whole lives on how to lose weight (this can be argued of course, and while not the best of examples). Being fat, then losing it, is way more powerful.

                                      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                                      I feel your pain, man. I was raised by my mother as a Christian homeschooler, which in retrospect was basically a cult. She isolated me from peers my age at least 5 days a week and controlled 100% of my education. I eventually got fed up with her enough that even at the young age of 15 I knew something was incredibly wrong and I Got Out, but it still fucked me up pretty badly.

                                      [–]H3lius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                                      I was homeschooled too. Same shit.

                                      There is hope dude. I feel like I'm finally free of all that past garbage.

                                      [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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                                      Damn you 20 soon mane? Dats good mane. Real good. I wish I woulda found red pill at 20.

                                      [–]Mightyskunk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                                      Don't we all, huh? As much a I love my wife and am happy in my marriage, even she knows that if I had to do it over again, I'd be single forever. Nobody realizes how much simpler MGTOW is.

                                      [–]slideforlife 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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                                      Bitch be giv'n you shit for a longboard @ 20?

                                      Hahaha! She's a turd! My kids had longboards before they turned 10.

                                      SK84life

                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                                      Pfft, I know man! I remember when I was ten years old, I was never even allowed to ride a bike farther than a block away from my house while one of my parents was walking right beside me.

                                      [–]slideforlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      if I were you, I'd grab a backpack and my passport and get a one-way ticket on the first plane out of there.

                                      [–]fl3wy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                                      Man, I respect you. You're taking your life back and that is awesome.

                                      I see your username is renacimiento, which means rebirth in Spanish. Maybe this period in your life is exactly that?

                                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                      Well, that's one way to think about it. I actually just made that name up because I was fascinated by the Renaissance period and was learning Spanish when I created this account. That was about two years ago though.

                                      [–]BluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      Bullshit! There is some Freudian shit going on with you choosing this name. I think it is fucking awesome.

                                      [–]MagicGainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      Recently I mentioned n the fly to my Aunt(who's in her early thirties) that I pulled, she shamed me saying I was irresponsible...later I got a message from my mum saying ''Hey Magicgainbow, heard you pulled, nice to hear you're having a good time in [Redacted].''

                                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                      My parental dynamic was quite similar: Overbearing mother coupled with a passive, beta father, thus I grew up without a masculine role model. My fathers beta-ness rubbed off on me completely, and thus as a teenager I was unconfident, passive, and anxious, which lead to me being bullied at school, which pushed me further into my passive, beta shell.

                                      It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I started to emerge from it. First with pick up artist game (which failed to address my biggest problem: being a masculine man, and instead offered up "tricks" to entice women), and then eventually I found out about Roosh and then TRP.

                                      [–]bigbuzd1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      My poor little nephew is surrounded by girls, as well. He's always in trouble, always getting punished, yelled at, put in the corner. He's gonna have some issues getting older. Now I understand when he clings to me cause his dad isn't exactly the manly type.

                                      [–]rp_divorced 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      I grew up with three younger sisters so it was my job to watch out for them when necessary. This has an unbelievable effect of skewing your own thoughts and actions because you don't want guys fucking with your sisters.

                                      As a result I was BP as fuck because I treated girls the way I expected guys to treat my sisters.

                                      [–]coffeetablesex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      As a male who grew up surrounded by 2 younger sisters, a mostly stay at home mother and working father I have to wonder how much it fucks up a kid to not see his dad 90% of the time and then that last 10% he's too tired from working to keep his family fed to interact with them.

                                      I'm fairly sure if it fucks them up a decent amount, or at least it just leaves them thinking they are fucked up when in truth they're not any more fucked than the rest of us.

                                      Judging from my past relationships I am pretty sure it fucked me up though.

                                      [–]imthemanyesiam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      I love my mom but god damn do i hate how overprotective she is. Im 20 years old. I should be able to go out with friends. Let me do my thing

                                      [–]hohamocha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      . My sister doesn't want me to lift weights because I will "look like one of those douchebags"

                                      Same douchebags that she prob rides the cocks of.

                                      Also did your father leave your family or was he divorce-raped?

                                      [–]xMasteroftheWorld 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      Can confirm this. I have three sisters and an extremely aggressive mother. Thankfully I no longer live with them, but all I would hear is how bad men are, how they are slobs, players, imbeciles, cheaters, worthless, etc. This seems to be okay and completely unquestionable to them. However, the moment that I point out facts like "over 50 percent of women would not tell their partner that they had an STD," the hamsters shoot into overdrive with me receiving vitriol in an attempt to justify such female behaviors.

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                                      Hmm I'm somewhat similar except from the fact that it was the mother who was away. Still what I find the most interessting is ones female relatives trying to tear you down. Why do they do this?

                                      [–]whitey_male 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                      I get that too.

                                      Then when I do it back I get this "how dare he criticise me because feminism" rage. It's pretty scary. The only way I can win is by going completely off my head and I can't be bothered any more. I just try to minimise contact and keep conversations as light and trivial as possible. You can't win with someone who has nothing but contempt for logic and has the feminist society constantly telling them how much of a victim they are.

                                      She just does it because she's just a disgusting cunt half the time. There's no good answer.

                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                                      I have a question.

                                      If TRP is true, then why wasn't his masculine behavior rewarded?

                                      [–]rp_divorced 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                                      The same reason women say they want the nice guy and then fuck the guy who gives them the tingles

                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      That still doesn't make sense, that only suggests to me that I'm still right.

                                      [–]dreauxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Spot on pal; this hits at home. Minus the gay brother and older sister, I had an overbearing mother and a very distant father. It took me what felt like a life time to finally break and say "Fuck This". Always feeling 'lost' and like I needed a woman to confide in. You're right man, it's absolute bullshit; and looking back all I can do is chuckle a bit.

                                      Glad you have found yourself, if you ask me; guys whose fathers were deadbeats end up turning out a bit more calloused given they've had to learn and achieve their masculinity on their own versus having it shown to you by your patriarch (like it ought to be). That's not to give praise to ourselves, but it just goes to show that no matter how far beat-down you are, if there's a will, there's a fucking way.

                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Get out of there. I spent a decade trying to walk the line between what I was and what I had become to "help the relationship with my mom and older sister." Nope. They are not interested in that. They are interested in having their world views reinforced constantly by males they consider lower than themselves. Seriously - fuck them. Don't even try to fix the relationship (after all why would a healthy relationship resist positive change - don't go the gym - are you kidding me?). Just get out.

                                      And when you feel "guilty" or "bad" about how they are reacting to you. Ask yourself this: Would you ever in any way resist a positive change they were trying to make in their lives? Would you berate them or attack them? No. Because you are capable of genuine interaction - they are not.

                                      [–]j0hnan0n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Kudos, man. It's good that you can recognize your discomfort and stick with your program.

                                      Listen: lean into your discomfort. Most people choose to turn back or try to avoid it. This starts a habit of avoidance that turns into a lifetime of failures. When you instead lean into it, you can then move through it and past it. The shortest route between two points is a straight line, not a detour around or turning back and giving up.

                                      You're already developing this mentality. Consider this encouragement, not reprisal. Welcome to the community.

                                      [–]junoguten 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      both call me selfish when I say I don't want to get married

                                      That's actually a very quick and dirty way to redpill someone that's so bluepill they think marriage is for his own good as well as for her'.

                                      [–]redgreenyellowblu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Thread is probably dead but this is something I've been thinking about too. When you get discouraging comments remember that it is proof that what you're doing is correct. I wish I had discovered it as early as you did. I didn't figure it out until I saw my mom raise my nephew and all of the immasculating tactics she used on him absolutely disgusted me. I felt really used and manipulated.

                                      What I can add is that you will make it easier on yourself to brush off their complaints with comments that totally disregard their point of view. Surfing too dangerous for them? Just say, "Yes, that's why it appeals to me so much." Eventually your female family members will adjust to the new (real) you.

                                      [–]rockjock29 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                                      Just wondering, as you mentioned what the females of your household think, what's your brother think about your change?

                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      He still feels uneasy about the idea of me taking long-shot risks while I'm in my 20s, but he doesn't really care. He's going to Israel in a week, so he'll probably adapt as well.

                                      [–]_JRTB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Congratulations on the RP transformation brother.

                                      [–]Catch11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                      Bro your loved ones will realize whatsup one day. I know mine did when I was in your boat.

                                      [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      "Both of them call me "selfish" when I say that I don't want to get married...what the fuck...."

                                      Ask them why you should get married and then point out how those reasons are selfish. Watch the hamster spin out of control. That selfish shaming is such BULLSHIT. Fucking everything we do is selfish, them telling you that is selfish for fuck's sake (it makes them more comfortable).

                                      [–]ill_rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      Holy shit, it's unreal how identical our childhood ' s were... Overbearing feminist mother (Now that I've swallowed the pill I "despise" most women on a personal level because of the nice front they put on, but I have nothing but love and respect for my mom. She raised me without any help whatsoever from my dad and I owe her the world.) , distant father, and going to the same school that my mom worked at... Jesus. Like I said I love my mom, but she fucked me up with all her BP ideologies and feminist bull shit and only giving a woman's perspective.

                                      [–]pprstrt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                      Dood, you're lucky as hell! You've got an at-home meter to gauge your effectiveness on! Just wait, in a few months you'll look back on your troubles like a sit-com. An extra funny one.
                                      And Bruises and Scrapes let you know that you are alive. The pain of the black eye reminds you that you push yourself and that you stand for something.