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[–]14to4 228 points229 points  (64 children)

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The thing about a single mother is that the child always comes first. Always. And it is not your child. It will never be your child. The second the woman has a disagreement with you she will remind you that it is not your child. Count on it.

[–]Meglomaniac 102 points103 points  (23 children)

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That is the single worst thing.

She gets with you because you are a strong man who can lead.

You try to lead and discipline the child.

If she disagrees, it now becomes "her" child, and she overrules you.

You now lose face to the wife, and child.

IMHO, the only single mom that is acceptable is a widow. Its not cause shes a slut, etc. And even then... you're still raising someone elses child.

[–]Mein_Tarnaccount 92 points93 points  (12 children)

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Nonononono, never go widow. You'll never live up to the picture they have of their lost hubby, which will get more whitewashed with every passing year, with every fight you have, with every time she stumbles upon a photo of him or hears his name. For a widow, you'll always just be a replacement for the man she lost.

Edit: oh, and the picture she has of him won't age. He'll always stay young in her head while you're bound to get fat and wrinkly.

[–]compoundlasher 51 points52 points  (3 children)

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Not sure that I can agree with this. My father married my mother who was widowed and he is my father through and through. My father was a stoic provider and my mother knew she was extremely fortunate considering her circumstances. The father who passed away was also a great person and it is sad, but that doesn't mean the world ends there. You can definitely be the father to a child that isn't your own, you just make them your own.

My father was my father regardless of blood. I admire the man, put 3 kids through college, built up his own business and ran his house with an iron fist.

Edit: But you know, these /are/ different times.

[–]12FAM0US 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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your situation worked because the real father was not in the picture. the new man was able to guiltlessly step in. it gets awkward when the dad is alive and still has visitation, then its confusing who is raising the kid. i would never raise another mans kid, obviously, but i would also not want someone else trying to raise mine (unless i am dead or incarcerated for life). but the absolute worst is when the father is alive and well, but absent. he is out fucking other women, while you toil away to provide for his kid. then 15 years later the real dad reappears and decides to be a father again. at that point the kids might (and should) reject his advances, as he is not a good father. at that point, you are the closest thing they have to a dad. but sometimes they still choose him over you. go to TRP all-time top-posts, there is one that describes that very situation. pathetic

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 14 points15 points  (5 children)

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Gotta say, a widow is less shitty than a "regular" single mom. She might NOT have made the wrong choice and found the perfect man. Which of course makes it all the harder for you.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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It, ahh, really depends on how the ex died. A favourite is eyedrops in the coffee. It creates hypertension that looks just like a regular heart attack.

Incidentally, never get in a serious relationship with a nurse or a doctor.

[–]manwhy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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eyedrops in the coffee

Wait, what. Please elaborate.

[–]Meglomaniac 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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You may have a point, my point was that the only semi acceptable single mom is one that lost one to something that wasnt caused by her.

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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If she disagrees, it now becomes "her" child, and she overrules you.

You now lose face to the wife, and child.

So much this!

This is a game that you can't win. And I'm not saying, that you can win if you just try super-super-hard. It's like playing roulette and betting everything on 612AB. I guarantee you, that 612AB will NEVER come, no matter what society tells you.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 16 points17 points  (2 children)

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The thing about a single mother is that the child always comes first. Always. And it is not your child. It will never be your child. The second the woman has a disagreement with you she will remind you that it is not your child. Count on it.

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[–]RPtooLate 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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The child only comes first as far as beta providers are concerned. Watch if some half-alpha badboy becomes interested in her and see how quickly the mom's needs are repurposed as the mom's needs.

I'm starting to think that women aren't primarily geared to raise children, but that they are primarily geared to acquire resources, often in the form of social capital or an alpha male. Children are typically a woman's primary tool for acquiring resource, but observe what happens when they start to get in the way of what a woman subconciously believes is her best option of acquiring alpha.

[–]1Hyooge 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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And she will conveniently forget about the finances and support you put into her child when you want to do something with her child she disapproves of.

[–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 32 points33 points  (26 children)

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yuuuuuup.

even worse is the single mothers who see their children as a burden. they hate themselves and thus their children who are, essentially, them.

[–]eccentricrealist 58 points59 points  (9 children)

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Son of a "single" mother here, I think the guy who's dating my mom's a loser and my father's knew she was a psycho so he got out. They usually tell us not to hate on our mothers and all but it's not right that I'm 19 and I have to be the emotional rock in the household for the woman who raised me.

[–]Algermas 47 points48 points  (0 children)

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I was forced to lead and guide my mother out of making fucktarded financial decisions at the tender age of 12.

So much for womyn don't need no man.

[–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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Exactly. I was in the same boat as you. Came back from college to try and start my life, ended up having to be her emotional support because she lost it.

But I came back from college with the red pill in me so i watched like a fly on the wall and saw all the things i used to ignore.

-When things were going well with her and new boyfriend, I was the enemy.

-When things went bad, I was her best friend.

-When me and boyfriend realized we got along and spent time together without her, she ran to her parents.

-She continuously tried turning us against each other.

I could go on and on but yeah, seeing your mother for what she really is is the most tragic but eye opening experience in a man's life.

[–]mikicoockie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Whoa. These patterns place you as her beta orbiter. That's weird man. If you didn't see it before at least now you have some perspective over how it shouldn't have been like that.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 28 points29 points  (0 children)

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Ah, the day a boy surpasses his mother on the maturity scale, leaving her behind in teenagerhood.

[–]teeelo 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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Sorry to hear about that Man.

TRP is not a support group but just having it in my life makes me so much more content with the world.

Cut all the lies and BS away and you are left with a small manageable amount of shit to deal with.

Good luck to you

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Cut all the lies and BS away and you are left with a small manageable amount of shit to deal with.

This is profound. It could be the alternate tagline of TRP or MGTOW.

[–]Scoundrel_ 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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A lot of the time, there's animosity toward the ex who fathered the child. The child serves a constant reminder of the ex whom she now resents...

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    [–]awesomesalsa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    damn dude

    that's some real shit

    I'm sorry :(

    [–]MrMagwitch 9 points10 points  (11 children)

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    .

    [–]1H42 139 points140 points  (31 children)

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    A friend from high school married a single mom. She convinced him to adopt her 9yo daughter. One month later, she filed for divorce and he got stuck making child support payments for a decade.

    [–]1exit_sandman 35 points36 points  (0 children)

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    And then they wonder when some poor schlub goes postal "out of the blue".

    [–]realdev 61 points62 points  (0 children)

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    wow... that's pretty obscene.

    [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

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    Good News Everyone!

    This could happen to you!

    [–]1Ill_mumble_that 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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    But professor Farnsworth, what about equal rights and justice? Could it be that women only want rights for themselves but don't care what happens to everyone else?

    [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    Good News Everyone!

    Women only want to be a man so far as taking all the good things while ignoring all the mental strain and judgment and struggle and consequences that come with it.

    [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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    Your friend sir, is an idiot.

    [–]1Ill_mumble_that 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    No way. He had found his One True Love™ and he was going to help raise another man's spermling with her, he even made a commitment to that spermling on-top of a commitment to her! All this free commitment he gave her was supposed to make her vagina eternally wet.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 35 points36 points  (18 children)

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    One month of marriage led to 120 months of child support? Your friend must have had a terrible divorce attorney.

    [–]gaylord__focker 42 points43 points  (2 children)

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    Well he said he adopted the child. You are legally responsible after that paperwork goes thru. Adopting the single mothers kids is even worse than dating/marrying the single mother in the first place.

    [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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    That's like handing the biological dad a Get out of Jail card for free by volunteering for serfdom till the kid is 18 in his place.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Yeah if all he did was marry her he wouldn't have been stuck with child support. That would have fallen to biodad.

    PS: Textbook case of Briffault's Law

    [–]marzoopial 25 points26 points  (8 children)

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    You are misinformed. Divorce has zero to do with child support.

    As soon as you adopt a child you are on the hook for support.

    In many cases you do not even have to adopt - just being perceived as a fatherly figure in some states will put a man on the hook for support.

    If a lawyer can convince a judge that you've acted in a fatherly role to a child who is not already accounted for in the child support system, you will pay.

    [–]SleepingSheeple 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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    I see this sentiment on reddit a lot: "You got a legal ruling that was not good for you? The only explanation could be a bad attorney! The legal system could never be unfair!"

    People need to realize that the quality of attorney's does not vary that greatly. They are all working with basically the same set of laws and evidence for any given case.

    He didn't have a bad attorney. He had a bad set of laws.

    [–]t21spectre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    I'm willing to bet he didn't have an attorney and that's why he got fucked hard. An attorney would of told him NOT to adopt her child to begin with.

    Always consult an attorney and have them review any legal documents before you sign them.

    [–]TehFuggernaut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Thank God my buddy is smart enough to refuse to get married - he is very practical and literally sees no benefit in it for him since his girlfriend has a 6 year old and makes next to no money.

    The kid is a product of a one night stand, and the father hasn't been in the picture since day one, or even paying child support.

    Still blows my mind how he started dating her.

    [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    This happened to a friend of mine, except he was with the kids for 8 years.

    Two weeks after he moved out - his replacement moved in.

    [–]1redpillbanana 35 points36 points  (4 children)

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    Anyone who wants to date/marry a single mother needs to read this first:

    http://redditlog.com/snapshots/922425

    TLDR: You want your "REAL DAD" to be on the invitation, to give you away and to sit at the head table, fine, your "REAL DAD" can pay for everything too.

    [–]angry--napkin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    Good for him for recognizing a situation and reacting to it quickly with swift and forceful judgement. It does seem like he's ignored the signs for too long though.

    EDIT: Added "though"

    [–]Fulgidus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    He payed all the college + car +food&shelter... For me that's too long... But a least he contained the damage when shit hit the fan... Moving the money right away was indeed a good move...

    [–]temerarious 114 points115 points  (29 children)

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    There is no one more manipulative and full of shit tests than Single Moms. Once she has that kid and realizes just how hard it is to raise it alone, that very second, her female manipulation goes into overdrive.

    I was going to make my own post, but I'll just piggyback on yours because it's completely relevant. What I quoted from you here is very true.

    ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE BELOW:

    I dated a single mom a few months before leaving for bootcamp. I was very clear about the fact that I would not be exclusive because I only had a few months left in the area. She was a slut and easily agreed.

    She actually made a point of the fact that she didn't want me to meet her kids at all because she didn't want them to get attached. This was to make me comfortable with her (I only was aware of her intentions in hindsight. My actions throughout were BP as fuck). I'm pretty sure she saw the military career as a prize to latch onto because of the benefits.

    Very shortly after fucking the shit out of her and doing whatever I wanted to her body as she was very willing, she shows up to my apartment one day with her two children. I see them through the peep hole and am wondering why the fuck she brought them. I let them in and pull her aside and ask her wtf?! She says "Oh, it's not a big deal. They don't even know you're anything more than simply a friend." It wasn't long before she was being affectionate to me in front of them and kissing me and shit. I asked wtf again and I got the same old "it's not a big deal" routine. So I treated it as such. I figured they're her kids, she knows what's best for them. I've been clear about the fact that I'm leaving so there shouldn't be any confusion in her mind.

    Eventually I agree to be exclusive for the short time I have left before bootcamp (I told her I fucked someone else and she gave me an ultimatum. BP me stuck with her because she gave me the best BJs I've ever had even to this day).

    By the time I was leaving, she's putting a guilt trip on me for not staying with her because of how much her kids love me now. I reminded her of how she was fully aware of that before introducing them to me. She says something along the lines of "well, I shouldn't have let them get that close, but it's too late now" or some shit. She didn't give a fuck. She completely let her kids fall in love with me and me with them (legitimately) and was using that to manipulate me into a long term relationship. I'm sad to say it worked.... then she cheated on me while I was at bootcamp with someone who presented themself as a better provider. Lol.

    Mine is an extreme example, but seriously, do not trust single moms. They will do whatever it takes to make you comfortable early, then whatever it takes to trap you later. Whether this is subconscious on their part or not, I don't care. It's fucking real.

    [–]RedPillager 99 points100 points  (26 children)

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    This is NOT and extreme example. This is a TEXTBOOK Military example.

    Source: I was in the USAF for 6 years, and though I was BP through and through those days, I was well aware of the military marriage/LTR hazards due to my father having been in for 26. I stayed far far away from anything even remotely close to marriage and kids.

    [–]Captain_Unremarkable 60 points61 points  (24 children)

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    Since this is redpill, I'll throw in another unpopular truth especially detested by Americans. Do not join the military. I've seen far too many lives destroyed by it, both literally and figuratively.

    As an institution it does not exist to pay off your student loans; your life will be endangered to impose our politicians' will on poor people in other countries. My grandfather, a poor Christian chicken farmer, came back from Korea violent and broken, and it could happen to you. Do not join the military.

    [–]robesta 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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    The military is a great tool for poor people to improve themselves and for other people to get a leg up on their peers.

    I wasn't poor, but I used ROTC to pay for school and got to lead men right out of college. Where else can you have 40 people working for you or if college and 200 working for you a few short years later. This leadership and discipline translates well into the private sector. I wouldn't trade the adventures and learning points I had in the military for anything.

    [–]awesomesalsa 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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    I wouldn't trade the adventures and learning points I had in the military for anything.

    Even a billion dollars? lol

    [–]robesta 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    I would in fact trade it for a billion dollars.

    Douche. :)

    [–]RedPillager 23 points24 points  (1 child)

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    I actually disagree wholeheartedly. Not from some misguided notion of patriotism or nationalism. In fact I've always detested random people coming up to me in my uniform, thanking me for my service. It's always seemed to me to be disingenuous. It's because I needed structure, as many, many, many young males in this country do.

    For the vast majority of service members, (non-infantry types) it's like any other job out there, albeit with much more structure and perhaps, most importantly, esprit de corps.

    After 6 years in, I was very bitter about the way my career panned out and I decided to not re-enlist. I separated in 2008 and I have regretted that decision everyday since.

    [–]awesomesalsa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I separated after working in a toxic squadron.

    Some days I really miss it but overall I don't think my life now is that much worse than when I was in.

    [–]TheRealMewt 14 points15 points  (9 children)

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    The military is fine as long as you realize that you're there to fight wars. I'm in the US Air Force and yes, I've experienced my fair share of heartache and female manipulation. We're all red pillers here, we've all gone through our own story or else we wouldn't be here. Military or otherwise, adopting TRP philosophy will improve your life.

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      [–]jjshinobi 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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      What can I tell to my friend who just joined the Navy? Besides avoiding textbook military female manipulation.

      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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      First, I'm far from being the oldest and wisest person on the internet, reddit, or this sub, so I may not be the one to give advice.

      However, I would start by stop saying "support the troops".

      Beyond that, you can show him what the consequences of going to war are.

      More than anything, understand that being anti-war and anti-military in this country means that you will be attacked. Americans are so desperate to believe in the idea that they are fighting For Something (i.e. "freedom") that they will alienate you for expressing an opinion that acknowledges the evil and corruption that is now integral to our society.

      Good luck.

      [–]robesta 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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      Soldiers are not responsible for the military industrial complex. That's politicians.

      [–]theredpillager 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Why hello there, me with no article.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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      military men getting cheated on isn't an extreme example, its the worlds most common sad to say

      honor is a male trait: men see military men and we want to buy you drinks and salute you, women see military men and either get turned on by the uniform or someone to provide for them.

      never forget that.

      [–]MajorStyles 122 points123 points  (11 children)

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      Another thing to remember is that in the USA, the single mother sees herself as a hero. The physical embodiment of a strong independent woman.

      Perhaps in another time and place, taking a run with a single mom had some value due to the fact that society would have shamed her into humility.

      Those days are over.

      Today's single mother has destroyed lives, and she's damn proud of it, mister.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      women don't realize they've traded their submission to a good man to submission to the government and their boss…aka the patriarchy

      [–]korewarp 24 points25 points  (6 children)

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      I could totally see how stepping in for an indian single mom or an arabic single mom would be amazing. She can't pull any "It's not yours" shit. If people find out she's dead - either literally or socially. Single mother's are elevated to hero status in my country too. It's disgusting and absolutely pants-on-head retarded.

      [–]MajorStyles 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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      sure. I think in previous eras, where a feminist media was not on her side, the single mothers would not become so belligerently arrogant and mean spirited.

      Now, in the US, it's as if all the major forms of entertainment are working together to marry these bitches off to beta providers.

      [–]1exit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      I could totally see how stepping in for an indian single mom or an arabic single mom would be amazing. She can't pull any "It's not yours" shit.

      Only because she can't do that doesn't really make it amazing.

      [–]1FloranHunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Perhaps in another time and place, taking a run with a single mom had some value due to the fact that society would have shamed her into humility.

      Today men are expected to support single mothers and fatherless children. Most still don't be that only fuels the misandry fires. In the past, as you say, she would have been humble. More from material need than shame, I suspect, but still enough to genuinely view her new man as a good person.

      [–]surgeon_general 52 points53 points  (17 children)

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      I think this is the most devastating summary against single moms that I have ever read.

      It's also next to impossible to maintain any kind of frame around these women. There's just no way to be cool here- it can be summed up pretty simply actually: If you spend time and money and are kind to the child, you will eventually start to be seen more and more as a beta chump. If you're not cool to the child, well, she'll dislike you because you're not cool to the child!

      Don't be this guy: "He is sensitive, kind, attentive, and doting. He is so very patient and loving with my child. Because of these traits, I find myself feeling less attracted to him physically. He seems meek. It is truly something sick. I have a hard time looking at him on occasion, because every little quiver, every timid step, every noise he makes while eating makes my skin crawl. He follows me around and paws at me. He is far less experienced than I am in the bedroom."

      [–]1cover20 43 points44 points  (8 children)

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      She'll despise you for raising another man's child.

      (Even though she roped you in specifically for that purpose. Consider her a giant shit test, you pass by staying away, or pumping quickly and dumping before it could be seen as an LTR.)

      And you'll lose your life's time and money raising another man's child rather than your own. You will probably miss the opportunity to have your own children, or you will have less because all children count and "we have our two children now" even if only one of them is yours.

      Why compromise all that? Just. stay. away. Don't jump in boiling oil either. It's a bad idea.

      [–]MajorStyles 36 points37 points  (3 children)

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      thats some serious red pill shit there. Deep down, she knows you weren't man enough to send her packing. Women understand the law of the jungle in a way that men never will. It's war for them.

      [–]1trplurker 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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      It's war for them

      Always has been. They only care for their own children while men care for all the children in a tribe. Her genetically programmed instincts push her to acquire the most resources for her offspring while denying them from others (if possible).

      If you want to see some truly vicious, watching a group of "new baby" mothers. So much fake niceness it'll make you want to puke.

      [–]zephyrprime 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      Men understand that law of the jungle when it comes to fighting but not when it comes to mating. It always terrifies men to be faced with how emotionally violent love and mating are.

      [–]surgeon_general 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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      I know what you're saying. The wisdom I shared comes from personal experience. I was being pressured to marry a single mother. And we were trying to have a child.

      The thing is that she was literally the girl of my dreams, and I was having 5 hour sex sessions where anything goes. I couldn't have created a better sexual experience if I had a laboratory for it.

      One day she robbed my house horribly, and thank God I figured out it was her. But she was pissed when I broke up with her.

      My main point here is that now that my head is clear, and I'm not charmed anymore, this girl lost her looks pretty fast, and I was lying to myself about her kid not being a deal breaker. I was about to get involved in a situation that looked great at the time, but was well on its way to being miserable. I would have been married to a moody, psycho bitch who lost her looks, and her expensive, hyperactive kid who loves me and wants to hang out with me all day.

      EDIT: I was a fairly big time drug dealer at this time, and she was after pot and cash. I just realized my story sounds a little funny that a girl who is probably marrying me one day is robbing my house. That's just how nuts and greedy she was.

      [–]1trplurker 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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      The best sex is always from the crazy chicks. Their emotional instability is where they draw that amazing sexual energy from, and it's what will fuck your whole world up if you have involved long term. Those girls make the best sex partners but stay the fuck away from long term relationships.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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      Exactly. Holding frame against single moms is nigh impossible because of their astronomic levels of manipulation, emotional violence, and that adorable kid they will use as a weapon.

      It's so depraved and immoral that I stay far the fuck away

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      God this is my ex-wife.

      shivers

      It creeps me out to think about how fucked up she is.

      [–]Misterlulz 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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      Was that from another reddit post?

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 61 points62 points  (31 children)

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      My thoughts on the subject:

      (pasted from a submission I made 5 months ago)

      I was having lunch with my cousin recently. He's an early 40's PT shredded up gym rat with the mind of Hannibal Lecter.

      In his work he sees a steady stream of divorced sociopath MILFs parading around in yoga pants trolling for Alpha fux and Beta Bux. So he shoplifts a fair amount of pussy at his leisure. He likes the convenience of it. Dad gets kids on a certain schedule - he gets the pussy on those days.

      "When are you free? Thursday this week? Come over around 8." He fucks them like a world class athlete (which they cannot get elsewhere) and they leave only to be seen on Dad's next scheduled day with the kids. One might say that Beta Bux chump gets visitation with kids - he gets visitation with pussy.

      When they start to get weird and possessive - he nexts them.

      Period - end of story. He's not taking on another man's responsibilities. Fuck that. He's a bachelor. He's not trying to get an instant family.

      That's not to say he only exists on a diet of divorced MILFs, but the sheer volume of them in his proximity makes them an endless parade of unavoidable low hanging fruit.

      My cousin is quite familiar with my divorce rape story. We were co-workers when it all went down. He saw the mind-bending bullshit I went through - and now that he's the dude that these pretty little hate machine types are fucking he's seeing it from a whole different angle.

      He says to me "Tru... It's a pattern. You know what you went through? They all do it. It's a fucking inborn strategy. They all play it the same way."

      What he's talking about is what a woman does when she's setting up the divorce rape. How premeditated it is. How purposeful it is. How they know EXACTLY what to do and how to do it.

      Cousin continues, "They do the harshest, most depraved, plausibly deniable bullshit you can think of to piss the husband off. They push every button imaginable. They empty bank accounts. They run up credit cards. They have affairs. They fuck with their jobs. They try to have them arrested. They file restraining orders. They slander them to anyone and everyone. They keep the kids away from them. They play the most evil fucking head games you can imagine - and then when the husband loses his shit, curses them and tells them to go fuck themselves - they run to the court crying victim - and they get everything they want. They get the house, the money, the kids - everything. Then when it's over - they brag about it and high five each other. It's all a fucking game to them. Meanwhile the poor bastard ex lives in some hovel somewhere begging to see his kids."

      So when my cousin sees these women behaving this way, do you think he has high opinion of these women? Fu-u-u-u-ck No he doesn't. He immediately purges any temptation to do anything other than spin these women as plates. He bangs them out and then laughs in their faces. They chase after him and try to lock him down with all kinds of bullshit stories a mile long, but he knows what kind of woman a divorced mom is - a crazy selfish bitch.

      You know when they say AWALT? Well they're all potential wolves in sheep's clothing. Remember that. They all seems so sweet and pleasant - it's all an act. They try to run the I'm a victim con so you feel sorry for them and want to save them from their unfortunate circumstance. Remember they all fucked some guy up for life and took his kids from him just to get that check every month. Then they want to replace him with the next beta chump and manipulate paychecks out of two different thirsty losers. Some of them manage to get the chump to help her play the head game with the ex. It can be downright scary bad what bitches are capable of.

      I'm sure you have seen all the "The kid calls me daddy now" memes where some unwitting fedora tipping rube brags about how he's sabotaged a child's relationship with his or her father - and then the circle jerk that follows where everyone congratulates him for being a moron. It happens all the time. The proof is everywhere.

      All the padawans lurking need to know just what it is you risk. Not just in marriage, but when you get an offer to step up to the plate.

      You see a single mom - you have to immediately assume she's a game playing POS who fucked over the baby daddy for a payday. These women are not worth your respect and admiration. You'd be fucking crazy to put them up on a pedestal and hand over your check every month. If you want to play the MILF rider game - you find out when Beta Bux daddy is picking up the kids and then you schedule them in for a pump and dump. That's it. Avoid anything else like the plague.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 41 points42 points  (7 children)

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      There is no one as cold and calculating, as manipulative and ruthless as a single mom looking to secure provisions for her children. She can put on the sweetest demeanor on the outside, fuck like a champion in bed, but her thoughts are always focused inward on how she can get what's hers.

      So many suckers get roped in by single moms who outplay them.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 22 points23 points  (6 children)

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      Often they use the children as an excuse to leverage more resources for themselves.

      I can't tell you how many times I saw my ex wife in leather jackets, nice shoes and new outfits, but at the same time saw my son in high water pants and worn out shoes.

      Even though I was shelling out high dollar child support, I was taking my kid shopping to get clothes and shoes, because it broke my heart to see him in rags.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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      My close friend was paying for his ex to take her new boyfriend out to fancy dinners. Her new boyfriend had a high paying job too. Meanwhile he's eating cereal for half his meals and sharing an apartment with a roommate to make ends meet.

      AWALT. She was a seemingly kind girl when she would hang out with us.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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      Its free money they think they deserve of course they are going to take it.

      Look at the Bristol Palin dealio. She's got cash in the bank and a rich family. Fuck it though, why not not gank $25k a year out of baby daddy's $60k salary?

      That's nice spending cash. Sure beats dipping into her savings.

      Who cares if he and his wife are struggling to pay bills and survive? Its all about her and what she think she deserves.

      [–]conspirized 8 points9 points  (12 children)

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      Serious question, because you seem to know what you're talking about.

      I almost got roped in by a single Mom but backed off not because of the single parent aspect (I'm a single father with full custody myself) but because the amount of drama surrounding this girl and her friends just plain irritated me.

      By your theory this girl would have been knocked up and then proceeded to drain her son's father dry while she pursues someone else. Problem is that she has her son full time, but has never pursued her son's father in court for child support - opting instead to work and provide for herself (with some babysitting assistance from her mom). She hasn't had a boyfriend in the 3 months I've known her, and the last one I've been made aware of was December of last year. She never asked me for anything more than the occasional cigarette. She also only introduced me to her son once and it was kind of accidental (I ran into them while she was out shopping).

      My interpretation was that she was trying to play it off like she practically didn't have a kid by avoiding me during the hours where she had to take care of him and then coming around at night once he passed out. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this basically contradicts everything everyone is saying here.

      I could probably still pursue something with this chick, but I have my reservations. If anything, this thread makes me more inclined to pursue because she sure as hell doesn't act like the women this entire thread is describing, unless I'm missing something. I'm used to women like that because my son's mother is most definitely one of them, I just don't get the same vibe from new girl. What do you think?

      [–]theredpillager 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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      I think you're going to get a lot of replies saying you have oneitis, you're putting the pussy on a pedestal, and AWALT. She could have just been hiding the kid to get you to fall for her first to increase the likelihood you'd hang around once learning of the kid. Maybe she backed off because of the accidental kid meeting.

      My cousin is a single mom and she dates complete losers who she ends up supporting so there are definitely exceptions to the rule. Maybe this girl is one, maybe not. I'm interested to see what others say.

      [–]conspirized 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      That was another reason I backed off, the whole oneitis thing. I'm new here, still mostly a lurker, and I still don't understand the difference between oneitis and pursuing a long-term relationship. People told me I had "oneitis" for a cam girl I was considering hooking up with, so I either develop oneitis for every girl I encounter and multiple girls at a time or I am terrible at explaining myself. Either way, though, I figured I had the oneitis thing going on so I backed off a couple weeks ago and returned to pursuing other options on my Thursday & Friday nights. She's still floating around when I'm home at night the rest of the week unless I shoo her off, though.

      [–]theredpillager 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      My point was that anytime anyone says they like a girl, a chorus of users usually lines up to call "oneitis!!!" You can actually like a girl, and that's fine. You just need to maintain an abundance mentality. You could leave her at any moment because she is easily replaceable. This is how you avoid oneitis.

      [–]cray-cray-cray 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      My interpretation was that she was trying to play it off like she practically didn't have a kid by avoiding me during the hours where she had to take care of him and then coming around at night once he passed out. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this basically contradicts everything everyone is saying here.

      It doesn't contradict some posts above, that you may not have seen. Here's why you have a problem... what would be the point of her pretending to not have a child? Do you think she could keep that up if you move in together? Of course not.

      I had an LTR with a single mom in the recent past, and I'll be honest... as a single dad, it was attractive to me for a lot of reasons. Her son had all kinds of abandonment issues, and I was going to fix it all. It ended badly, like so many other stories in this thread, and for many of the same reasons. I'd explain, but others already have already explained way better.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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      I can't say this enough:

      Women are the cruelest, most sadistic creatures imaginable. If they were stronger than us Law and Order: SVU would get real gross.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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      That's why I call them "Pretty little hate machines"

      [–]awesomesalsa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      They're cruel and sadistic BECAUSE they're weaker. They can't go head to head with a man but they can manipulate other people into hurting/killing/shunning the man

      [–]jm51 14 points15 points  (4 children)

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      This attitude could help women in the long term. There was a time when an unmarried mother was a social pariah. Meaning women were careful to wait until marriage unless she trusted the guy to marry her if he got her pregnant.

      If single moms get no LTRs, just ONS, then women will start to be really careful about who they have a baby to. Not a bad thing.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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      There will always be a lonely beta easily duped by a master manipulator.

      [–]1H42 29 points30 points  (12 children)

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      The single mom I married refused to have a kid with me because "I would love that kid more than the one she already had." Without any discussion with me, she had an IUD installed by Planned Parenthood one week after we married. Effectively sterilizing herself insofar as there being any chance of her getting pregnant by me.

      She divorced me in only 2.5 years, telling me the day before Valentines Day that we were divorcing, so I "wouldn't waste my time getting her anything nice.".

      [–]PaulMurrayCbr 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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      Your affections, your heart, are just a computer game to these people.

      [–]1exit_sandman 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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      The single mom I married refused to have a kid with me because "I would love that kid more than the one she already had."

      Why again did you marry her in the first place?

      [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      I'm asking myself the same question

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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      yuuuuup.

      if i opened up a topic on this on AskReddit, you would get a million stories like this

      [–]CostOfSpartan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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      Do it man, I could use a good shitstorm right now.

      [–]GC0W30 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      She divorced me in only 2.5 years, telling me the day before Valentines Day that we were divorcing, so I "wouldn't waste my time getting her anything nice.".

      Say what you will, in that moment she was being better to you than 99% of women are.

      [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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      Well at least you're not on the hook for child support. Silver linings and all that.

      [–]kaihau 11 points12 points  (6 children)

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      I see this on Facebook with an old friend from High School. She had a child with a guy she had a one night stand with.

      She wasn't all that attractive to begin with, and she dropped like 100lbs after the birth of the child. Now she looks anorexic and tries much too hard to attract men. As a lesbian, she's not even a 1 on the hot scale.

      She often posts things about "Why is this so hard? I wish it never happened" with a sad face so people can comfort her attention grabbing because her kid has sucked every little ounce of exciting social interaction from her life. Or you'll see her dating, but it's been like 10 guys in the past 2 months and you can tell why nobody has stuck around.

      It's not any bodies fault she screwed up and had a child at 20 with a guy she didn't know. She's crazy damaged goods and is a perfect example of the single mom described in the OP.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Women who use children to get attention on social media disgust me, make me ill at heart.

      [–]neurosurg 48 points49 points  (35 children)

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      I recently received an unsolicited message from a single mom on OKStupid. She was very cute, very feminine, stable job (nurse I think), around 22 or 23. Said she'd like to get to know me. But I've got no desire to be with a single mom or to be a father figure to another man's child. So I sent a short response: "I'd be interested in getting to know you too if it weren't for the fact that you have a child."

      Short, logical, emotionless, to the point. Sorry, not interested. But boy, did her hamster BLOW up. I got a long message saying how "you don't know me!" got called all kinds of names, shamed for "making her feel like crap," etc. Serious indignation. I did not expect that level of rage. We dudes get rejected all the time, but when a woman gets rejected, be prepared for fury. They cannot handle it - especially when they have a chip on their shoulder in the form of a child out of wedlock.

      Imagine what would happen if you started banging one, or worse, got yourself into a LTR with one. Single moms aren't worth your time in the first place, but this just reinforces that they aren't even worth a second thought.

      [–]1cover20 39 points40 points  (1 child)

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      Heh, bet you thought you were doing the right thing by being honest with her.

      Next time you might get less shit if you pump then dump. Then you can blame her for not giving good enough head or whatever you dream up.

      But generally she was mad because you pointed out that her SMV had fallen so far. Maybe she would have considered herself above you, now you're acting "all proud" and turning her down. I guess pumping first could actually make this sting less. But in the long run, you did her a favor.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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      Quite true. Where I live most of the single women have kids, and if she is thin she is probably into speed.

      [–]TattedGuyser 28 points29 points  (6 children)

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      wow, you reject a woman and the pretend trp whiteknights come out of the bushes. "Dont hurt her feelings you dick!"... It's getting pretty bad in here.

      [–]1exit_sandman 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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      True. He didn't say "single moms are scum", he just said "I don't date women with children", which is a perfectly valid reason to reject someone.

      [–]TattedGuyser 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      Any reason is a valid reason to reject a woman. Seinfeld had it right in this regard - be as shallow as you want, because at the end of the day, your the one who has to be with this person. Even if your intentions are not to be shallow, kids are a massive responsibility and time sink. If I've only got 2-3 hours a day to enjoy outside of work and other responsibilities, I may not want some other persons spawn annoying me or preventing me from being intimate with it's mother. Young kids are terrible in this regard, they require constant attention, meaning you won't be able to pry the mother away for long.. Unless she's a terrible mother, but that just says more about her. It's a lose-lose if you ask me.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Women are hyper aware of their bad decisions but absolutely hate consequences and punishment. nothing proves women never outgrow their teenage emotions like consequences and being called out for their behavior.

      Ironically enough, women are attracted to the men who do acknowledge and punish their bad behavior.

      [–]mizzoufan1990 27 points28 points  (9 children)

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      Oddly enough, single fathers are much more successful than their female counterparts. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/07/02/the-rise-of-single-fathers/

      [–]noblepaladin 36 points37 points  (4 children)

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      There is a big selection bias there. The courts will never give custody of the kids to the father unless he is literally perfect and the mother is a criminal, drug addict, and/or mentally ill.

      [–]1iluminatiNYC 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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      Welp...this is pretty much my story. Though FWIW, mental illness tends to be the biggest deciding factor. Substance abuse issues aren't usually enough for custody.

      [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

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      As the child of a single mother I'd like to mention that it can really fuck you up.

      I got blue pilled so hard I was identifying as a feminist without even correlating it to female approval or sex by 12. No positive male role models. She didn't care about my needs just some bullshit outline of "provider" she had that wasn't concerned with my success only with her need to provide exactly the minimal amount of care. I was 300 lbs at 15 and before I started high school I had spent 5 years jacking off in the basement because she decided to home school me after my dad died; I had no clue about callories or the outside world beyond daytime talk shows and national geographic, my upbringing was fat positive and whenever I voiced concerns she said "You're fine" or "Your sister got a growth spurt around your age and thinned out, don't worry that will happen for you". The woman smoked my college fund, 2 packs a day of Marlboro full flavor for 12 years is like 2 new cars, she still smokes more than a pack a day but it's a cheaper brand that makes me sick. She threw most of my dad's hard earned money at stupid shit, the smartest and dumbest together was investing in the housing market; 5 condos 35-40k a piece near downtown, off a main road, but she never developed 1 of the 5 in 14 years! wasting hundreds per month and when the economy got just a little sketch she would switch one to section fucking 8, lowering the value of all of her neighboring apartments! You can't even take them off section 8 after the section 8 motherfucker moves out! and in this whole time she never got a job.

      I could barely find a girl to hold my hand in high school because all of the poison she raised me in.

      Any more explanation would make this way more personal than it needs to be but I swear to god don't have kids unless you can get them through high school with two parents otherwise you will fuck them up at the least; and if you ever decide to home school your kids, either have a big family and home school them together or force them onto local home school sports teams, do not take parenting advice from a lazy 7 year old. Never home school a kid past 8th grade if they are too weird, and they will be, throw them into a cheap, somewhat small, private school.

      This shit is why I am so adamant about divorce and whoredome. The laws make it too easy and profitable for women to just quit their marriages, it's disposable to them and they don't care about the success of their children; to them success is basic needs and providing them grandchildren it doesn't include happiness. Women are about propagating the species not about improving the lives of people in society. Whores are one broken condom or bad decision away from ruining 3+ peoples lives, not to mention any damn woman that has fucked somebody other than the man she marries and has kids with is FAR more likely to throw her marriage away.

      Edit: Thank You, to whomever gilded this.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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      yuuuuuup.

      men without fathers are hopelessly lost souls, forced to be their own role model. i had my father for 17 years and even though he was a walking piece of shit he got me into sports and shit.

      but i disliked him so much and idolized my mother that i had so many poor qualities

      [–]strangestdude 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      forced to be their own role model.

      Those simple words describe so much.

      (Son of a single parent.)

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      i had a dad but he was shit and split when i was 18

      so i'm my own role model but at least i got a few ideas

      [–]1cover20 30 points31 points  (2 children)

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      You spend your life, your best years and income, raising another man's child.

      When the normal animal thing to do is to kill any children a woman has before you accept her, just so you are not raising another man's children.

      My energy is spent on my own children. They are exhausting, but they are my real children, they will only know one dad and that's their real dad. Thus I get the best results and am not in second place to anyone.

      The woman is probably a bad decision maker, but it's not about her. It's about me, and my unwillingness to spend my life's energy raising another man's children.

      [–]definitelynotaclone 52 points53 points  (23 children)

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      Currently dating a single mom and I can verify every single point in this post. FML.

      Another example: My single mom-girlfriend constantly complaints that "she wants to feel like a family again" and leaves that on my shoulders to make that happen for her, by acting the way she wants. Fun thing is, this only counts for her needs. When I tell her kid that he can eat what ever food I serve him or he is not hungry enough, the single mom tells me I cannot do that, and she's not going to debate it, it's just "something you don't understand if you don't have a kid on your own'.

      [–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 58 points59 points  (2 children)

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      "As a mother, <complete and total bullshit ensues>"

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      Every time I see that I replace it with "As a person who is capable of opening my legs"

      [–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (5 children)

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      You know what you gotta do soon

      [–]recoveringdeleted 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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      You know what you should have done already...

      [–]Captain_Unremarkable 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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      Feel like a family again

      And, naturally, I'm sure she did absolutely nothing to deserve such a horrible fate. 100% victim, no poor choices could have ever led her to this tragic life.

      [–]Bertrand_Marty 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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      My friend, you may have read the advice on this subreddit, but have you actually internalized any of it?

      Tell me, is she living with you?

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        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        Yep just another microcase of the /r/pussypass. It gets amplified when a woman is a mom especially a single mom.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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        Currently dating a single mom

        Why? Drop her. Now.

        [–]frequentlywrong 25 points26 points  (0 children)

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        Why the fuck are you still in this situation?

        [–]MrKnot 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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        Get the fuck out. She's a bitch, a bad parent and a partner that disrespects you. Get out before you qualify under some retarded law a father figure and are forced to pay child support. Fly the fuck out of there.

        [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        exactly.

        third place homie.

        [–]LineOfCoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        spoil you kid on your dime. little faggot aint gonna be wasting food i paid for.

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          Yeah, she should've depended on a man because raising a child requires a father, a child requires attention, a child needs more than any one parent can give.

          They're purposely neglecting a child with their decision making. We protect children in an overbearing fashion in EVERY OTHER WAY, but we're totally cool with single moms.

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            this is a rare case and i'm sorry about it.

            but i can't judge things on the exception.

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              [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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              The best of single moms (the ones who still are attractive, low degree of narcissism, actually care about their child) are problematically as incentivised to juice a up and coming high-value guy. It's why the "best" single moms always tend to date slightly younger guys who are not yet wise to the ways of the world, but have quite high earning potential.

              Even if she does everything right and is not a full out entitlement princess, even if she doesn't pass on her abandonment trauma to her son and try to con you into marriage early and use her kid as a guilt trip for you all the time... That means she knows how to prioritize her kid, as a mother should, and it by proxy means she is going to view you in a more logical, functionality-based fashion than a woman who you actually knocked up would. If she's more logical than women, you're screwed, and if she's more emotional than most women (aka most single moms), then you're screwed too.

              When the "best" of a category is something you want to avoid and it goes downhill from there...

              Side note:

              Most guys I know actually like kids. I like kids, they do dumb shit that reminds me of the ways humans are actually intelligent before we fuck them up. When things go bad between you and a single mother, you abruptly lose the relationship with the kid, and she bad mouths you to him.

              It is shitty because the kid is thinking you abandoned him too, because the mom tells the same story over and over again, so the kid can see her as this resilient "hero" figure. You should not subject yourself to this nonsense, it is unhealthy for you and far more depressing than a normal breakup, because you do bond with these kids easily since you feel so bad for them having no male role model. Many a sensible guy has been turned into a captain-save-a-hoe by the guilt of "walking out" on a single mom and kid who "needs him". Some guys just love feeling needed and integral to a woman and kid who idolizes them - this is largely a lie, they are not integral, but rather their provisions and emotional support are. Male hamstering tends to manifest in this type of "responsibility-hamstering" where the male convinces himself the woman will up and starve if he leaves. No, she'll juice the next beta bucks, go on your way and watch a new Captain-Save-a-Ho in the picture.

              When the single mom comes into the music vid, you know E-40 knows what's up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vQSPBtwyc

              [–]Fzed600 17 points18 points  (6 children)

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              The majority of women on dating sites are single moms for a reason

              [–]OrchidReverie 20 points21 points  (3 children)

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              I learned a powerful lesson about single moms this morning. I used to think it'd be cool to raise another's man's child but I now realize that it was wrong.

              [–]DocObvious_ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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              Well, my step dad raised me like his own since i was 2, and im 27 now. that man is more of a father than my biological dad was. my mom and him didnt even get married until like 20-some years after they were together.

              It isn't all manipulation, but i suppose it might be because my family was always pretty wealthy. my mom never needed money or anything.

              [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              yuuuup

              or fat or mentally ill

              [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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              The problem poor single mothers have is that the government provides welfare payments to financially support the children, but doesn't actually care for the children. In other words, the government doesn't make a good daddy substitute. Financially yes, but in terms of hands on raising of children, no. And most men don't want the burden of raising other men's children.

              In black America the government incentivised single motherhood by only paying welfare out to support poor children if there was no father/husband in the picture. The daddy had to disappear so the kids could get government money.

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              Single mom's are living proof (and have living proof) of how stupid and irresponsible they are. "I'm doing the best I can!" Shut the fuck up and live with your stupid decisions.

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                On the upside, if you want to score a pump n dump significantly outside your normal batting average, single moms are a great bet.

                There are a LOT of former 9s now knocked up with someone elses kid and having their standards bashed square in the face every single day by that fact.

                Use this information as you will gentlemen...

                [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                I'm attempting to shy away from Machiavellianism to make our subreddit more palatable for the incoming masses

                but yes, this is very true

                [–]Thomas_Crapper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                I agree with pretty much everything you've said ITT, but I why on earth are you attempting to make our subreddit more palatable? The truth and the tools of sexual strategy are not palatable at all to the masses. Shy away from Machiavellianism? What in the hell for?

                [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                It's just something i choose to do.

                I shall not admonish or judge anyone who does otherwise.

                [–]drewbaccha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                Lotta nerves are gonna get struck by bringing up the dreaded single mother. The op is essentially right. It is unwise for most men to pursue single moms. The sex comes with a massive attachment and the man will always be second. Furthermore, what advantage is there to raising another man's bastard spawn? The hope that the child will grow up to be responsible and care for you in the twilight years of your life? You can have better odds and less debt in vegas, my friends.

                I have never met a single mother who wasnt a widower that made good life decisions.

                [–]trafalgar112 14 points15 points  (12 children)

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                Interesting read. A close friend of mine has his mother constantly bash and verbally abuse him for no reason at all. I've seen this with many children of single mothers. Any explanation?

                [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 31 points32 points  (10 children)

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                The sons look like their fathers so the transference of crazy falls upon them.

                Growing up my mother swung from hating me to loving me in extremes all the time.

                [–]mrdotdotdot 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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                Yep as a child of a single mother she tried to recreate the relationship dynamic with me and lashed out for no reason at times.

                Now she despises the entire gender, hangs out with gay guys...love her to death but it is what it is.

                [–]trafalgar112 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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                Would there be an explanation if the hate was directed to the daughter?

                [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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                all children are a piece of their father and mother

                if the father is gone, women aren't very good at directing their emotions, they usually just hit whomever is closest.

                [–]1cover20 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                True general statement about many women these days including my wife.

                [–]zephyrprime 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                Women see their daughters as an extension of themselves and they often hate themselves because their SMV/SocialStanding is so low.

                [–]ogalvan 31 points32 points  (26 children)

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                2.Single Moms are women who have lost all value. No matter how attractive she is, a single mom has lost all value to you as a man because she's already taken on the world of another man. Another man has already beaten you to the end game and you will always be second place.

                In the animal kingdom when the male lion takes over a pride he murders all the baby cubs. While humans don't do this due to laws and morals there has been a documented increase in physical/verbal/sexual abuse with stepfathers (probably stepmothers too). Also single moms are usually the type of women who wouldn't give you the time of day before they broke up with their baby's daddy.

                1. The US courts have now started demanding child support from stepfathers because they've "acted as the child's father" simply by being present.

                A lot of single mothers are basically prostitutes exchanging their bodies for financial support. I'd rather hire a hooker, at least she's honest.

                [–]Mein_Tarnaccount 22 points23 points  (10 children)

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                Most women are basically prostitutes. The difference is just that with hookers, the price gets decided beforehand.

                [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 16 points17 points  (7 children)

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                I used to think this was a misogynistic view. Now I believe it and know that it is factually true.

                Prostitutes are paid with cash per item at retail price. Honest transaction and both parties benefit.

                Wives are a lifetime subscription that is paid for upfront, and they can cancel the man's subscription at any time for no reason at all and keep the subscription fees, and add on more (alimony).

                If women are whores no matter what, I should think most men would choose to pay retail for the variety and convenience.

                [–]Mein_Tarnaccount 6 points7 points  (5 children)

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                Well, there's a huge stigma involved. We're still raised to feel like losers for doing it, or even thinking about doing it.

                Plus, with "Pricing tbd" type relationships, there's still the chance she might genuinely like you and be an actual companion. That chance dwindles the more money you spend, but it's seemingly always there.

                Edit: losers, not users.

                [–]CokeandGrappa 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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                You are aware a hooker can really like you?

                [–]Gaslov 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                If you think your hooker likes you, she's a good hooker.

                [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                My barber might like me, too, but he's still gonna charge me $15 to cut my hair and he won't ever expect to sleep in my guest room.

                [–]1cover20 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                I think you mean child support not alimony. A much bigger and more permanent deal.

                Courts are looking for some source of money to raise that child. If you get associated with the kid or the mother closely enough that they can make the excuse, they will do so and put you on the hook. Then they've taken care of the child and the state doesn't have to subsidize.

                Stay well away. It's like a trap. It is a trap.

                [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Like I said, single mothers are below sluts on the value order

                [–]1trplurker 12 points13 points  (11 children)

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                While humans don't do this due to laws and morals there has been a documented increase in physical/verbal/sexual abuse with stepfathers (probably stepmothers too).

                No, just no.

                Human's aren't lions nor are we wolves or even apes. We evolved as a tribal species. The males work together to protect the females and young from external threats. We are genetically programmed to protect women and children, even children that are not our own. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's part of our tribal nature. It only becomes an issue in resource rich environments and with the concept of inherited property.

                Unfortunately modern society has placed an insane burden on men to "raise children" irrespective of where those children came from. This is the primary reason you don't want to get married to a single mother, because the state will force you to pay for the other mans child.

                My only issue with OP is that he sounds like he's still in the anger phase, which as a long time poster he shouldn't be. Single mothers are just human females who made a bad gamble based on short term thinking. They are no different from any other female, they all make bad decisions base on short term thinking. Our entire community is based on the male response to the realization that all women make bad decisions based on short term thinking. And thus I don't place any additional blame on a female who lost the gamble. I sure as hell won't try to turn a ho into a housewife, but I won't go around hating on them either.

                [–]1niczar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                Humans are great apes. No if, no buts, we are. It's a monophyletic group. We have a common ancestor with chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orang-outans.

                [–]noteventrying 17 points18 points  (2 children)

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                Human's aren't lions nor are we wolves or even apes.

                It is simple matter of fact that we are apes.

                We are genetically programmed to protect women and children, even children that are not our own.

                People are way more likely to help others that are related to them. This is covered pretty well in the "selfish Gene" which breaks it down by genetic relatedness

                Single mothers are just human females who made a bad gamble based on short term thinking. ... they all make bad decisions base on short term thinking.

                AFBB rests on the principle that with BB they are thinking more long term sometimes. delayed gratification abilities varies among all populations.

                Our entire community is based on the male response to the realization that all women make bad decisions based on short term thinking.

                Id argue that TRP is based on the fact that women have a different reproductive strategy (AFBB), which has short term and long term goals, and that men shouldnt fall victim to this strategy.

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                  [–]ogalvan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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                  No, just no.

                  Saying something doesn't make it true.

                  in several countries, stepparents beat very young children to death at per capita rates that are more than 100 times higher than the corresponding rates for genetic parents.

                  children under 5 years of age were beaten to death by their putative genetic fathers at a rate of 2.6 deaths per million child-years at risk (residing with their fathers) in 1974-1990, while the corresponding rate for stepfathers was over 120 times greater at 321.6 deaths per million child-years at risk

                  http://www.cep.ucsb.edu/buller/cinderella%20effect%20facts.pdf

                  step children under 5 years of age were found to be at significantly increased risk of unintentional fatal injury of any type, and of drowning in particular. Children from single-parented families were generally not found to be at significantly increased risk of intentional or unintentional fatal injury, while children who lived with neither of their biological parents were at greatest risk overall for fatal injury of any type.

                  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513805000929

                  As predicted from Darwinian considerations, stepparents themselves evidently constitute a risk factor for child abuse

                  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0162309585900123

                  [–]MrMagwitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  .

                  [–]ilkeryuceler 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  And remember that the ex (father of the child) will be always there as a shadow. You cant shake it off. He will be always there. Who would want a relationship under the shadow of her ex. Run away while you can.

                  [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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                  Consider the fact that if you somehow ended up dating a single mom it's because your SMV was so low that she was the only thing you could pull. There are plenty of childless women, why did you end up with one that was not?

                  Accepting that fact, that you were a beta sized up for your bank account, should be liberating. There are exceptions for every rule, but I'm tempted to say that virtually none exist for single moms. They really and truly are like OP describes. Even the really sweet ones. Their biology dictates that they do whatever they can to provide for their child, first and foremost, and if that means taking advantage of some poor unsuspecting beta then so be it.

                  You will always be the 3rd most important person in her life, if that.

                  [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Normal women are submissive, meaning they gain pleasure from pleasing a great man. The second you have a kid with them, you are in competition for her pleasure, thus why married men start losing our on sex and attention.

                  That's with your OWN kid, imagine a woman with a kid that isn't yours. You're either going to be third place or date a woman who neglects her child for you. That's fucking AWFUL.

                  [–]robesta 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  I just saw Hercules. Hercules, played by the Rock, the most desirable, high value man in Greece, could've landed any woman in Greece. Instead, he gets oneitis for a mid 30s single mom. There's no end to the Hollywood attempts at brainwashing.

                  [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  hahahahaha

                  i can't watch movies anymore. it's impossible. After I watched BRUCE FUCKING WAYNE fall for Maggie Gyllenhal I gave up.

                  Thankfully they put Anne Hathaway in some black leather.

                  [–]rukpek 13 points14 points  (16 children)

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                  I recently met my ex which is a single mom at some party a month or so ago. She started to message me quite frequently after the party even though she has a new boyfriend. I decided to reply back one day just to mess with her and before i know it she needs to talk to me about serious stuff. Turns out she wants to kill herself. Told her she should talk to her boyfriend about this but no, she dumped him the day before and now she has no one. She needs me.

                  So what should I do about this TRP? She clearly needs help and support. I'm in a pretty sticky situation here. Just kidding. I couldn't care less what she does.

                  [–]1H42 23 points24 points  (8 children)

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                  Give her permission to pull the trigger. She won't, its only an attention getting device on her part.

                  Or, continue the discussion on text, visit the cops, show them her texts about the pending suicide and have her committed, "for her own safety."

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                      [–]2Red_August 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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                      This. It's her "Hail Mary" play to trap a BB. The beauty of this tactical play is that it also preselects whomever falls for it as being a bona fide nurturing provider. It not only guarantees her a BB, it also gives her a lifetime "crazy-pass" to use at will.

                      Do not stick your dick in this. If you have any reasons to believe that you may have some residual guilt, do report her to the police, or a responsible parent or family member. Run away and block all communications before she has an audience to escalate her act into a fake attempt at suicide, etc.

                      [–]PaulMurrayCbr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      A happy thought, but extremely foolish. One way or another, you will wind up being blamed for it all.

                      [–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                      Call the pros and wash your hands of it. If she's legit, you've saved her life. If she isn't, she won't bug you anymore.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      if she wants to truly seek help she'll seek therapy, not her ex.

                      you can't save PEOPLE who don't want to be saved

                      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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                      Here's an interesting part. I'm a single father. I wouldn't mind meeting a cute single mom, but only if she had just one kid. I'm not about to take on a brood and put my daughter at the mercy of an outnumbered "us vs her" thing.

                      I can not seem to find any single mothers who only have ONE kid. The two I have met were so stuck up and cunty.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                      Just look for a normal woman, without kids or divorce or tons of baggage.

                      Women like single dads the same way women like guys who fuck a lot of women. They are not the same as us.

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                      Oh I know. I'm much more successful with women who are 21-23 and no kids, they think the dad thing is sooooo cuuutee!

                      [–]priusowner666 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                      I was having drinks at a bar a couple of months ago and met a very attractive young woman so we started chatting, she was about 26 and told me she had an 8 year old daughter. As soon as I heard that I zoned out. She gave me her number before she left and I threw it away. Avoid them like the plague. Don't let their mistake (kids) become yours. Just my humble opinion. I told a female coworker about it and she thought I was extremely shallow, but this is your future at stake, you don't want to be stuck with some other man's financial burden.

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                      Don't tell other women about your decision making process. They don't want to hear it because deep down they know it's an inevitability for them, so they react in an emotional manner.

                      Women choose flight over fight nearly every time

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                      I think the reason there are so many 'single moms' is because the court system is so fucked and automatically grants custody to the mother. If there were truly equal rights, there would be a fair share of 'single dads' as well with equal amounts of baggage..

                      But your writing is spot on :)

                      [–]busdrivertohell72 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      Many of my female peers, (early 40's) have kids that are grown, or almost grown. What are your thoughts on these?

                      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      The kids are the ultimate baggage but not the majority of it.

                      There's a reason women with the highest divorce rate are women who have already been divorced.

                      History is important for a reason because it repeats itself.

                      [–]1Jaereth 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                      It is the narrative of our society now. "Oh it's totally cool. Most girls will already have kids bla bla blah. You are a good man etc."

                      I just don't get it. Even when i was a total BP chump, kids were a deal breaker. I would practically beg for sex, but I still wouldn't act like I was gonna ltr with a girl with kids.

                      Nobody had to teach me this. It just came instinctually. If you raise another mans kids, you're a bitch. Unless you are sterile or just can have them for whatever reason, when i see a guy raising another mans kids I assume his smv is so low he can't get a woman without kids. And im a guy and think that. Imagine what his partner/other women think about him!

                      [–]slcjosh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                      "Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren’t permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do, what Jim Crow couldn’t do, what the harshest racism couldn’t do,” Mr. Williams says. “And that is to destroy the black family.”

                      This is taken from a study by Walter Williams. Check out the article here: http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/01/walter-williams-its-the-welfare-state-that-killed-the-black-family/

                      [–]Deckerb 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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                      All the single ladies, all the single ladies!

                      Ahaha single moms are a joke, and the stepdads are the punch line.

                      They're like fat chicks, so entitled yet so pathetic.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 7 points8 points  (11 children)

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                      A woman who couldn't even choose and hold onto a decent man is the pinnacle of biological failure: it's the only fucking thing women were evolved to do. Alas, everything has its place. Provider seeking hyper-drive with a pinch of desperation makes for the perfect pump and dump, probably even easier than a good portion of sluts.

                      [–]noteventrying 15 points16 points  (9 children)

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                      A woman who couldn't even choose and hold onto a decent man is the pinnacle of biological failure: it's the only fucking thing women were evolved to do.

                      That is quite the claim. Women have a different reproductive strategy than men. In TRP we call it AFBB. The idea is to get "good genes" for your kids from an "alpha" but have someone else pay for the kid because most likely that alpha was outta their LTR league. Nowadays the government, aka tax money of responsible people, pays for it so why not secure "good" genes for your bastard kids.

                      We, living organisms, were only evolved to do only one thing: increase our genes' frequencies in the gene pool.

                      [–]Snivellious 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                      Always remember, if it takes propaganda and mass social conditioning to convince you to do something, it's probably not healthy for you.

                      Even without any of your other rather informative stuff, this is valuable enough to justify the post. If everyone keeps telling you how great it is, but it feels like a terrible choice, you're probably being lied to.

                      [–]lepies_pegao 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                      TheeRyanGrey , I noticed that you are contributing a lot lately. I really like the different topics you have brought up lately.
                      I haven't dated a single mother, and I don't have plans on doing that.
                      the part that really stuck with me is this:

                      Single Moms are Single Moms because they're bad decision makers and let their emotions lead them into a bad situation. Bad Decision Making is the worst trait a woman could have.

                      Last year I was talking to this girl, nothing serious but still, she went radio silent for about a week or so, when we talked again I noticed somethng different but I didn't pay much attention since I was going to another country to work.
                      Making long story short, a few months after I moved, I heard by a mutual friend that she was pregnant and she was going to get married. The crazy part is that a year later (this year) she called me out of the blue, trying to explain, and telling me how she fucked up and she doesn't 'love' her husband, yada yada yada. we still 'see' each other when I go back to visit my family and stuff.

                      I know she's trying to swing branches but since I don't live there anymore and only spend a couple of weeks at most she knows or at least pretends that whatever happens between us is just for fun. now in my RP days I know I def don't want to date/marry a woman with kids, it is always good to have this kind of post to remind us of the dangers of dating single mothers or soon-to-be single mothers.