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[–]bumblingbuck 128 points129 points  (78 children)

The general TRP consensus is that feminism is incoherent - that is it doesn't make sense and isn't consistent as a way of thinking. It's inherently contradictory.

Related observation:

I recently finished university. The undergrads had a Facebook page for the undergrads to post student life crap, events, gossip, etc. It's mostly a pain to bother reading it, but occasionally it is entertaining. A new fall semester is starting. Parents and freshman everywhere on campus. Anyway, cue the "creep" and "old man" shaming. A relatively fit undergrad (7.5 / 10) posted something like this:

Any of you gals noticing a lot of creepy middle-aged men on campus? It's totally gross. Felt so uncomfortable going to Yoga today!!

She included a selfie of her in her yoga outfit. Tights, cleavage, make up.

Cue the hamster support, many "liked" posts about how we need to change male rape / objectification culture. Then slowly a trickle of guys (alphas and betas) telling the girl off, teasing her about her outlook. Of course every guy who posted against her is dismissed as a loser. One or two incoherent white knights. Then finally another woman, (very attractive) posted (again paraphrasing):

You're full of shit and need to get over yourself. My husband? Father to three kids? He's earned the right to show up like an awkward, chubby 40 year old man to drop my kids off. If you're comfortable dressing like that for my son and his friends, you take the middle-aged men along with that sweetheart.

Cue pandemonium, upvotes, feminist solidarity bullshit. But it was real TRP truth from an apparently reasonable older woman and these young girls lost it.

tl:dr Young hamster dresses skanky for the gym, gets ogled men on campus. Calls out the middle-aged guys for staring/leering. Gets owned by middle-aged woman whose kids were starting uni that day. Sensible female perspective is dismissed. Collective group mega-hamster.

[–]DaREALCount_Spatula 71 points72 points  (65 children)

I feel as though a lot of the time when women say shit like "eww these creepy old men are staring at me" they are just trying to validate themselves. Like, i'm so attractive that no man can keep his eyes off me but I'm going to pretend It's creepy so I don't seem slutty. Or maybe it's just me.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (58 children)

Yep, it's known as brag-plaining. You'd never hear a girl stick up for one of her friends if they were the object of the old man's staring.

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    [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Humblebrag is actually a different thing. Bragplaining has its origins here on TRP

    [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 30 points31 points  (1 child)

    It's called bragsplaining.

    It usually goes down the lines of "OMG Today like 5 guys hit on me who were total creeps! Can guys just please leave me alone?!" Which translates to "Guys routinely hit on me, because I'm high value, and I want to let you know this."

    Women are notoriously good at power speak, so naturally they communicate -- and in this case, brag -- in ways which give them plausible deniability. They are effectively communicating their high status while hiding behind a wall of victimhood, so if anyone tries to call them out for bragging they can defend themselves by calling out the accuser for shaming them.

    It's literally the oldest trick in the book. Some would even call it gaslighting. I literally see it every fucking day. Even from my mother and sister.

    [–]Ojisan1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Bragplaining not bragsplaining. It's bragging hidden under a complaint.

    Your analysis of it is spot on, though.

    The other word you might be mixing up here is mansplaining, which is feminist-speak for when a man uses logic in an argument and they'd rather not try to refute the argument, but just shut it down as being condescending.

    [–]curious97 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Truer words have never been spoken.

    The other day my high-school aged sister was complaining about how one of her friends is constantly "whining" about "random creepy guys on the street hitting on her" and how all of her friends see through this pathetic power-play instantly. Every girl is guaranteed to get approached by men she does not desire a few times in her life, so a lot of them use it to gain social status inside of their gaggle.

    [–]YourKarmaMeansNothin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yes, it is exactly this. It's the same with "I get cat called every day! Men are disgusting!"

    It's about as believable as your friend telling you he fucks a new woman at his office every day. It's bragging because it makes them seem attractive, and half of it is made up.

    [–]onehonesttruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    a lot of the time when women say shit like "eww these creepy old men are staring at me" they are just trying to validate themselves. Like, i'm so attractive that no man can keep his eyes off me but I'm going to pretend It's creepy so I don't seem slutty.

    You're absolutely correct. You know what kind of girls I see complaining about being "honked" or "cat called" from cars on my Facebook? The fat (feminist) ones. Not the pretty ones, not the slim or sporty ones, the fat ones. I really think that it's a subtle way of seeking male attention to themselves as if men would assess female SMV like females do (according to other male attention) than genuine complaints.

    [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No thats definitely it. Kind of like the kid we all knew when we were younger who would humble-brag about the cool shit he had in order to get attention from everyone else.

    [–]kindlebluemoon 35 points36 points  (0 children)

    These girls won't be happy until they can walk around completely naked and be ogled by nobody except tall, ripped, handsome white guys. All other men are unworthy and should just look at the ground.

    [–]thesaltysoup 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    This young woman went fishing, you see. She wanted to have fun, and have the chance to catch the biggest, handsomest fish that she could catch. She didn't really think that this one-day fishing trip would catch her that fish, but she tried anyways. Besides, even when she didn't catch the biggest fish that she wanted, she found that catching a smaller, but flashy and colorful fish wasn't so bad after all.

    Anyways, this girl packed up all her fishing supplies: her lipstick, her hair in a messy bun, and best of all, her juicy, tasty bait on her chest that most fish couldn't resist. When she showed off her bait to the fish, they always stared, and wanted to gobble it up, but she wouldn't let them. That always gave her a laugh, and let her know that she was a wonderful fisherman. I mean, who WOULDN'T want some of what she had to give?

    Anyways, she sets off, her bait and tackle shown freely so all the fish could see. However, today she noticed something strange. Today, all the fish were returning to their spawning grounds so they could lay their eggs now that they were older and ready to mate. The fisherwoman became very dismayed as old, decrepit fish with hooks in their lips and missing fins oggled hungrily at her tasty bait. Where were the big, handsome fish? Why wasn't her bait working like it usually did? All these ugly, old fish were coming to try and get her bait, but they sure as hell didn't deserve it! Only handsome young colorful fish got this bait!

    She packed up and headed home in a huff. She told all her other fishing friends about how these nasty old fish had tried to eat up her bait. She laughed and smugly explained how she shooed off hordes of undeserving fish, and then she sighed a heavy sigh and said,

    "I know they say that there's plenty of fish in the sea, but why are all of them so ugly as of late? I deserve a nice big fish- my bait is the best around! Shame on those other fish for even THINKING of getting any of this!"

    And there you have the allegory of the fisherwoman.

    [–]McDoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I got a nice chuckle out of this. Funny!

    [–]007700 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Beautiful . "The general TRP consensus is that feminism is incoherent - that is it doesn't make sense and isn't consistent as a way of thinking. It's inherently contradictory." In mathematics and logic, a system that is incoherent or inherently contradictory, or both, would immediately be thrown out. It is worthless.

    What keeps feminism viable is neither its academic insight or its logical coherentness, but the sheer power of force; the force is not physical but psychological. Among the many clandestine uses of force that feminists employ is shame. Use of shame is forceful, because it compels others to accept a point of view or a way to act they otherwise wouldn't.

    Edit: Grammar

    [–]ExistentialDread 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    "Objectification" isn't cultural, it's biological.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Objectification is fabricated bullshit designed to shame people. If someone doesn't want people to look at them, don't go out in public. People can look anywhere they fucking please in public or private.

    [–]ExistentialDread 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This college chick is objectifying the dads on campus as "creepy old men".

    [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is like people who insist they have a right to privacy while walking down 5th avenue during rush hour and have the right to smash anyone's camera if they take a pic of them. "How dare they!" Actually had a guy on Gawker defend Justin Bieber's taking a drunk swipe at someone who snapped a pic of him in a restaurant. People want to do whatever the fuck they want, with no consequence. It is the human condition, but certain groups are allowed to actually get away with it and live in this way.

    [–]swimtaculariousness 197 points198 points  (15 children)

    They want to dress like skanks for attention but they only want the attention of men whom they find attractive. If you're ugly, it's objectification. If you're hot, its flattering.

    You can't eat your cake and have it too--unless you're a woman. Then you're entitled to it, goddammit!

    [–]anonlymouse 118 points119 points  (11 children)

    That's gynocentrism.

    Feminism is more insidious: Men are supposed to avert their eyes if a woman wears revealing clothes. Averting gaze is what the lower castes do in the presence of higher castes, so it's empowering as the notion of objectification gives them that power just by their presence. It's completely consistent, they just don't connect the dots for the public. They're not trying to have their cake and eat it, their goal is for men to self-subjugate.

    [–]dave_is_not_here 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    ......whoa. I feel like I just watched you do the matrix roof-jump. Mind totally blown.

    Post more.

    [–]87GNX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Are you trying to tell me... I can dodge false rape accusations?

    No, Neo. I'm saying that when you're ready... you won't have to.

    [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    This comment is the most lucid in this thread. Love cross-cultural comparisons.

    [–]iamnotfromtexas90 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    This explains that sentiment perfectly. Not attracted to you? RAPE! Attracted to rapist? It's a date!

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There is a lesson to be learned here. Lift.

    [–]notseriouslyserious 84 points85 points  (10 children)

    Why pick when you can have both

    [–]DrXaos 22 points23 points  (8 children)

    power != strength, capability, resilience

    power == right to complain and make other people do the bidding of thy feelings

    [–]Jooceyjooce 84 points85 points  (1 child)

    To a woman, the only thing worse than being sexually objectified, is not being sexually objectified.

    [–]2asd1100 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Feminist don't need to pick, they have the right to have anything they want according to what feels right in the moment.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 35 points36 points  (1 child)

    Oh God. I recently had a foray on /r/Feminism due to my desire to wish to see how they react to Rotherham rape scandal in which over 1,400 British (white) women were raped and abused. Crickets. I submitted it 22 hours ago and it had 17 upvotes. "Spiderman as the new Spiderwoman" was submitted 17 hours ago and it has 73 upvotes and a discussion within.

    If that doesn't show you that feminism in first world is a joke at best, cancer at worst, then nothing will. So I'm going to copy paste what I wrote from there:

    That argument would make sense, had it not been for the reality. Male power fantasy is female sexual fantasy. To look at that, you only need to look at women erotica (which I would argue, explains pretty well what women consider sexual). Then compare it to the male power fantasy. Staggering differences. The reason for erotica being specially chosen is because erotica is designed to evoke a female sexual response. Men in those eroticas (like Cullen, or Gray) are often assertive, dominating, and often uncaring of the women they "court" - exhibiting fully Dark Triad and rapey tendancies. This can lead one to theorize that male power fantasy is just a form of female sexual fantasy as women and men are attracted to different spectrum of modes of behaviour and looks.

    Then there is the question of why women willingly sexualize and objectify themselves. There is not one Playboy girl who is showing off her body against her own will, and the trend continues in feminist "slut walks" which are essentially objectification of themselves under the guise of empowerment. To deny a woman her body is to slut shame her, but to accept her body is to sexualize her. To women, her own sexuality is the closest thing to her own power fantasy. Fiction like Twilight and 50SoG only further proves that, as it is female written and female targeted.

    Male power fantasy is female sexual fantasy, while a female power fantasy is male sexual fantasy. The fact that there is a huge discrepancy between the two is due to innate gender differences that may or may not be further tempered by the cultural gender roles. Avengers, to go further with the pop culture, who are male pose in dominant, assertive, and utterly masculine way as to show off their bulging muscles - all this evokes emotional reaction not just from men, but from women as well. Females are then drawn in submissive, utterly feminine way, often posing in a way that would evoke a positive response from men (if you'll notice their hips).

    The reason why there is a current problem with "sexualization" (everything is sexualized) with women specifically (as opposed to you not even acknowledging male sexualization) is that recent waves of feminism eroded traditionally female gender role, and make women (and men) unsure in the very concept of femininity, often shelving it for "one size fits all - women can do everything men can do and are equal neurologically" concept.

    Male affirmation of female power fantasy is him sexualizing her and it is verboten in the feminist dominated world - this kind of world is female in its core and bitchy as fuck, women go to absurd lengths to fuck over one another sabotaging their looks. If a man can sexualize me, he can also sexualize women hotter than me and the irrational female mind (as opposed to rational female mind, but we're all irrational when it comes to sexual) would rather fuck everyone over than risk being found ugly.

    [–]SpongeCroft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Crickets.

    this single world made me laugh uncontrollably for about 3 seconds for whatever reason.

    [–]RedPillProphet 41 points42 points  (5 children)

    They'll pick one based on how attractive the guy looking at them is.

    [–]1exit_sandman 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    Also called Schroedinger's Objectification.

    The default state is that she's both empowered and objectified at the same time; and can always decide whether it's one or the other. However, with longer the experiment goes, the more likely it gets that she feels objectified instead of empowered (because she'll be subjected to objectification, convoluted pun not intended, i.e. the attention of undesireable men, at least once somewhere down the road).

    [–]dave_is_not_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    but the pun was the best part.

    [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh my god, women are quantum particles. They are in both positions all the time but only when you look to observe can you measure which state they are in.

    Now it all makes sense.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Great insight here.

    She will designate (hamster) meaning based on the SMV of the man looking her. Because women derive their own SMV based on the man they associate with. This is why women are praised when they snag a good man, but men only earn praise when they actually accomplish something extrinsic.

    So it's in womens' interest to further distance themselves away from a low SMV man ("eww objectifying meee!") and then associate themselves with a high SMV man ("omgZ! the DJ was checking me out. heyyyyy!")

    [–]Bobbagwell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I choose Objectified. I am feminist because I respect a woman's right to be a ho. I won't marry said ho because marriage is a construct designed by the patriarchy to oppress women, but I will objectify her.

    [–]DianaDewAsmr 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I think it's mostly about bragplaining. You get to be a victim AND tell others how awful it is to be stared at because you look too good.

    [–]reezyreddits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Dude, bragplaining.... my mind is blown.

    [–]ShitLordXurious 19 points20 points  (8 children)

    Feminism isn't meant to make sense. It's completely irrational: "women's logic" and female psychological manipulation taken to the level of a political narrative. It's sole purpose is to "empower" women so as to ensure that every single one of their fact-free, feelings based complaints is heard and accommodated to by society, whatever the cost, and regardless of whether it's fair, right, or justified. The entire enterprise has become a huge shit test intended to shame men into total submission, and agree with every thing women say. Politicians and journalists fold to feminist demands every single time they are confronted with them; nobody can disagree - because it's logically impossible to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason.

    [–]LordIndorilNerevar 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    I am a fan of The Red Pill, but disagree with the broad way that a lot of the members in the community categorize or dismiss feminism. Might just be an argument of definitions though. Because I think the western tumblr/jezebel/upper class white feminist thing is a complete crock of shit most of the times.

    But feminism is broad and works all over the world. There are branches tackling real problems like education, sex slavery, domestic abuse and power-imbalances, etc. in India, small cults in the U.S., etc. and in areas that need to be addressed.

    I am in the mental health profession, going on to address problems with masculinity, the "Nice Guy" phenomenon. Guys buying into the whole disney illusion and other things TRP is also interested in. I run into the whole divorce rape, domestic abuse perpetrated against husbands by wives, emotional manipulation/with-holding by wives, and cases of AFBB and infidelity.

    But my job puts me face to face with a lot of things that the TRP might not be so receptive of. For example "rape culture" in University campuses. That's a thing. A lot of campuses have been found to sweep rape cases under the carpet and be all hush hush to maintain reputation, that sort of thing. And the sort of abandonment and ostracization of women who speak up about rape by their peers is also a real issue.

    The disconnect might be that the average TRP member isn't in the whole rapey, gossipy crowd and can't imagine the guys who pull this shit and the women who shame other women for being survivors. (Frats, sororities that sort of thing. Not to imply that all or the majority of frats are like this. But that's the sort of environment where this shit thrives.)

    Just saying the narrative isn't that clear cut. The world is huge and fucking complicated.

    [–]ShitLordXurious 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    "Rape culture" is a crock of shit.

    Anyone that's been accused of rape knows that crime is taken extremely seriously, not excused or ignored. The real crime that is genuinely ignored and excused are false rape allegations.

    We live in a "false rape allegation culture", not one which condones rape, as proponents or "rape culture" theory pretend.

    [–]LordIndorilNerevar 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    Both those things can be true at the same time... depending on the place and subculture.

    For example.. "Rape culture" is a phenomenon in university settings with the children of very powerful and connected parents.. People rally about the issue and try to get laws passed to deal with the issue... Strict punishments, mandatory this, mandatory that...

    Problem is, the perpetrators and mostly above the law anyway. That shit doesn't do anything except throw the balance off heavily against men who aren't that connected and untouchable.. and then shitty women take these laws passed to deal with a real issue and use it to make power plays or fuck shit up...

    [–]ShitLordXurious 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    "Rape culture" is not meant to donate isolated examples of powerful people pulling strings to absolve those close to them of wrong doing. It is meant to describe an entire culture where rape is normalised and ignored. No such culture exists in the west. It's bullshit.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    It is meant to describe an entire culture where rape is normalised and ignored. No such culture exists in the west.

    It does. In fact, it's where the term "rape culture" began and the only definition of which validly exists: The rape of men in prison.

    [–]whinemoreplease 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    "Rape culture" is a phenomenon in university settings with the children of very powerful and connected parents..

    then it's not a rape culture is it? it's a very specific instance relating to very specific people.

    misrepresenting issues is classic feminist propoganda tactics

    [–]LordIndorilNerevar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Excuse me, I was responding to just the "taken seriously/ crime" aspect of the reply above mine. These events don't happen in a vacuum, and beyond the legal aspect there is a whole subculture that silences/shames victims and protects the perpetrators. And when they get away with it, the people from the highest position of the campus administration are complicit in it... It's a systemic issue.

    The response to it can be short sighted, ineffective, hurt men and "empower" unstable or vindictive women but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

    [–]ScottishIslander 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    I'm not sure why any western woman would use the word "empowered" to describe the way she feels when she dresses in a way that reveals her body.

    The definition of "empower": make (someone) stronger and more confident, especially in controlling their life and claiming their rights.

    It's great that she can strut her stuff and feel confident and sexy about it. But no one is suppressing the western woman anymore. She can wear whatever the fuck she wants. She's not claiming her rights - they've been there for a while now.

    The definition of objectify: degrade to the status of a mere object.

    So what. The guys that whistle and bark at you know NOTHING about you. To them, you are only what they see. That makes you an object. Women gawk at men with great bodies in swim suits. Same shit.

    Oh, and most women like the attention, as long as they feel safe, no matter what the look on their face says.

    [–]hakett 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    no one is suppressing the western woman anymore

    But if they admit this then they can't claim their "victim" privileges anymore and no longer have an excuse for never accomplishing anything.

    Feminism would have died out a long time ago if women didn't love seeing themselves as victims.

    [–]SenorPuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The difference is, a significant portion of men, even those only moderately attuned to their inner alpha, still look upon a drastically underdressed slut and think that she's probably easy, and from there, depending on their disposition will attempt to pump-n-dump or just ignore as they please. While they are free to dress as they will, that's not what they want.

    They want men to not see them as they are. They want to wear a thong bikini into a business interview and be seen as whatever they decide. They want complete control over the male psyche.

    It reminds me of 1984:

    'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

    'Four.'

    'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'

    'Four.'

    The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Winston's body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O'Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only slightly eased.

    'How many fingers, Winston?'

    'Four.'

    The needle went up to sixty.

    'How many fingers, Winston?'

    'Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!'

    The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at it. The heavy, stern face and the four fingers filled his vision. The fingers stood up before his eyes like pillars, enormous, blurry, and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably four.

    'How many fingers, Winston?'

    'Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!'

    'How many fingers, Winston?'

    'Five! Five! Five!'

    'No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?'

    'Four! five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!'

    Abruptly he was sitting up with O'Brien's arm round his shoulders. He had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O'Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O'Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O'Brien who would save him from it.

    'You are a slow learner, Winston,' said O'Brien gently.

    'How can I help it?' he blubbered. 'How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.'

    'Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.'

    He laid Winston down on the bed. The grip of his limbs tightened again, but the pain had ebbed away and the trembling had stopped, leaving him merely weak and cold. O'Brien motioned with his head to the man in the white coat, who had stood immobile throughout the proceedings. The man in the white coat bent down and looked closely into Winston's eyes, felt his pulse, laid an ear against his chest, tapped here and there, then he nodded to O'Brien.

    'Again,' said O'Brien.

    The pain flowed into Winston's body. The needle must be at seventy, seventy-five. He had shut his eyes this time. He knew that the fingers were still there, and still four. All that mattered was somehow to stay alive until the spasm was over. He had ceased to notice whether he was crying out or not. The pain lessened again. He opened his eyes. O'Brien had drawn back the lever.

    'How many fingers, Winston?'

    'Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.'

    'Which do you wish: to persuade me that you see five, or really to see them?'

    'Really to see them.'

    'Again,' said O'Brien.

    Perhaps the needle was eighty -- ninety. Winston could not intermittently remember why the pain was happening. Behind his screwed-up eyelids a forest of fingers seemed to be moving in a sort of dance, weaving in and out, disappearing behind one another and reappearing again. He was trying to count them, he could not remember why. He knew only that it was impossible to count them, and that this was somehow due to the mysterious identity between five and four. The pain died down again. When he opened his eyes it was to find that he was still seeing the same thing. Innumerable fingers, like moving trees, were still streaming past in either direction, crossing and recrossing. He shut his eyes again.

    'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

    'I don't know. I don't know. You will kill me if you do that again. Four, five, six -- in all honesty I don't know.'

    'Better,' said O'Brien.

    [–]TheRedTrader 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Logically trying to pass the worlds greatest shit test wont work my friend.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Please use only one identifier set. You are either a strong powerful woman or you are an oppressed victimized woman.

    [–]TheRabid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Victims. I'll go with victims.

    [–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    That would involve feminists making sense...

    wouldn't count on it.

    [–]1exit_sandman 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Reminds me of one thread of askmen about what people thought about feminism. One guy complained that he asked a carefully worded, respectful and logical question in a friendly manner (or something like that) at /r/feminism and got immediately downvoted and banned.

    I quoted his comment, highlighted "logical" and "friendly" and simply said "Dude..."

    Bam, 40 upvotes.

    [–]mjr1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I got banned from r/feminism.

    I got in an argument with a few feminists. I ended up getting upvoted, while they got downvoted. Can't have logic in that SR, so I was banned the next day xD

    [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    If 2 girls are walking down the street and you only pay attention to one, the other, who didn't get enough attention, calls it objectification.

    Also wearing tight clothes gets attention. Boasting about having "creepy men"... OOPS! Did I just write "boasting"? I meant to write "complaining"- Complaining about having "creepy men" look at her gets even more attention. Attention-whore mission accomplished.

    [–]redpillshadow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Tomorrow the feminists will drown the internet in the objectified and victim narrative.

    Celebrities had hundreds of nude pictures (and sex tapes) stored on an apparently not very secure cloud. None of those sites will even mention how utterly stupid that is (and not just if you are a celebrity).

    [–]TimeAndDisregard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Here's another bit of doublethink I've seen from people like that; you go to a bar and start hitting on a woman. The woman responds saying that she already has a boyfriend. Now if you keep hitting on her, well you're a thirsty pig who doesn't respect her wishes. If you stop hitting on her, then you're supporting the patriarchy by seeing her as "another man's property." Silliness.

    [–]RedditRoodypoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Women neither want nor need to pick one. By refusing to pick one, they can ALWAYS claim they're the victim and ALWAYS claim men are responsible for their problems. It's ingenius, really. Men who want women to dress decently are backwards, but men who want women to dress scantily are dogs.

    [–]Thatguy5354 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It doesn't make sense, that's why. Don't bother looking for coherency.

    [–]Ahrius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    But then she can't have her cake and eat it to.

    And we all know that' the goal of modern feminism.

    [–]memetherapy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Our eyes turn women into mere objects?!? GUYS! We're empowered X-Men style!

    [–]LastRevision 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think it isn't necessarily contradictory, even of it's ridiculous.

    She wants to dress how she wants, and control how people respond to it. If 95% of the world is beta to her, she only wants 5% looking at her. She wants to control what she does, and also what everyone else does. While that's fucking crazy, it isn't a negation or contradiction.

    [–]duckducklandwhale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Hah I just made a post about a similar contradictory view in Feminism over on the purplepill about how they in the media castigated Sofia Vergara's mild performance for objectification but applauded Beyonce's raunchy performance, degradation, and trivialization of a feminists issue they purport to care about. Seriously, I knew it was going to be something they couldnt handle so it basically got zero responses (but a lot of early downvotes ) from the ever present feminists that always show up the entire day to make their beloved snarky comments on poor phrasing. Though, a day later one person showed up but even (s)he couldnt defend feminism's general incoherence and multitude of differing messages they broadcast. On my second reply to that person, I realized halfway thru that it was just going to be circular reasoning and more fluff talk because they were unwilling to admit it's was ludicrous inequally applied standard and that Beyonce only got away with because she wrote the words "feminist" behind her (actually the person did admit that bias, but they didnt seem to be aware of it still). The fact that they didnt even address the other pertinent points shouldve tipped me off. So, in summation dont bother with trying to make sense of modern feminism. It makes zero sense. These bitches are clueless about everything except their non-unique mission statement.

    [–]Cosmicandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You ever hear the phrase "the right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins"?

    Well, the only rational description of what seems to separate empowerment from objectification according to feminism seems to be "the right for me to act or dress promiscuously ends when men start to enjoy it".

    [–]so6p 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    In a feminist utopia, a woman must be able to dictate her own attitude towards life as well as others attitude towards her.

    It's not evil or wrong for a woman to want this for herself. BP men obey such desires thinking it's a noble act. Consequently, she loses respect for these BP men. As RP men, we simply deny her any ownership of our attitudes/state-of-mind (i.e., frame). Then she is intrigued, and works hard to be associated with you.

    It's like - I've this car (i.e., my frame), I own it and neither am I going to just give it to you so you can go to your friends parties (i.e., my frame is not for you to borrow or take) nor I am your driver to drop you off at places (i.e., my frame does not exist to serve you). Then she politely asks where I am headed and whether she could join me for the ride. I take the requesting tone of her as a positive shift from her earlier commanding tone and say - "Maybe next time".

    [–]drkstrs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    hey girls! i've decided that women can be functional, and i'll be beautiful. honey, i don't care what you look like, do you have a good job, a nice house, car etc? otherwise, don't waste my time, you can't afford me. bonus points for wooing me with your musical skills. strap down your chest, cut your hair, get to work already! i'll be following my artistic and social pursuits, i'll be that side for you. thanks for your sacrifice, you're such a good girl. now, can you get that lawn mowed? no, i don't feel like sex right now. you have to earn that from me, and i'm not in the mood. lol. it can go both ways.

    [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    They can't. It goes against their whole reason for existing.

    They want to do whatever they want without any consequence whatsoever. They want to live life in a bubble where you, the male, do not exist. They want to be able to live a life without any sort of restriction, except on those they don't like or disagree with. This mindset extends to most "liberals" that exist now, left-wingers, and the uneducated in general. They want "welfare" in a sense...they want to be able to flaunt their sexuality without having to actually express it. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nah man. Feminism is about feminists having all the options on the table and setting the men's table on fire.